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Rushion Interviews 2x Stanley Cup Winner Daniel Carcillo, How Psychedelics Helped Heal My Traumatic Brain Injury! · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: My next guest is Daniel Carsillo. He is the founder
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  Speaker 1: and chief executive officer with sona health biotechnology company focused
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  Speaker 1: on developing the novel therapies of tomorrow and delivering new
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  Speaker 1: care paradons for today. Daniels a well known speaker and
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  Speaker 1: the advocate on behalf of traumatic brain injury t b
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  Speaker 1: I survivors and people dealing with mental health challenges. Mr
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  Speaker 1: Carsilo played in the NHL, which we all know that
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  Speaker 1: little circle can be a train wreck as they say.
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  Speaker 1: Reason I say as a train wreck because his nickname
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  Speaker 1: carbon Carbon during his ten year NH career, for his
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  Speaker 1: explosive playing on the ice, know for protecting his teammates,
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  Speaker 1: they call that an enforce her. Okay, in basketball they gather.
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  Speaker 1: In football they got spent. But in hockey and basketball,
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  Speaker 1: those two, those two there were pops up a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Mr Daniel helped Chicago win two Stanley Club Championships with
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  Speaker 1: the Blackhawks, but a great personal loss to himself. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about what Son of health and the price you
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  Speaker 1: can pay for bid and enforcing NHL. Please welcome to
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  Speaker 1: money making conversation in Mastercas. Mr Daniel Carno, how you doing, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you? Um, let's talk about I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you my hockey I'm I'm I love all sports, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And I was in New York. I was I think
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  Speaker 1: that was in New York and Nanny went to my
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  Speaker 1: first hockey game. Was enjoying it. I was enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: It's two shows going in the hockey game, Daniel. You
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  Speaker 1: can probably you're on the ice, but there's also a
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  Speaker 1: show that goes on in the stands, okay, and the
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  Speaker 1: hockey crowd. I think it was the most rowity group
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  Speaker 1: of people I've ever been in the stands with. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I've been to the baseball games, I've been to the
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  Speaker 1: football games. I've been to the basketball games, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: that hockey fan beer drinking was extreme and women were
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  Speaker 1: the rowitiest I've ever seen in any sports setting where
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  Speaker 1: the women I would like to actually stunned annual and
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  Speaker 1: the beer drinking and the rowdiness of the women, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's my experience in the stands. Then you dealing with
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  Speaker 1: this tremendous, volatile sport of violence was you can say,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm very graceful, call Ice, how did you get
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  Speaker 1: involved with that? As a young hockey player. What attracted
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  Speaker 1: you to the sport. So I grew up in Canada,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, as soon as you get born, you
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  Speaker 1: can walk, you get put on skates. So I started
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  Speaker 1: at three years old. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: attracted me to the sport was just being able to
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  Speaker 1: move with a group of guys towards one goal. Because
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  Speaker 1: you have to move in synchronicity towards that common goal.
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  Speaker 1: Whoever is more connected will ultimately win the game. And
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  Speaker 1: and then there was also this other aspect of you
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  Speaker 1: know you mentioned going on hockey games. There's not a bounce.
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  Speaker 1: It's like m M A on skates, and you're legally
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  Speaker 1: allowed to hit somebody when when they have the puck.
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  Speaker 1: So it's definitely attracted to the aggressive nature of the
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  Speaker 1: sport as well well, the aggressive nature. And then that
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you that for now, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: back to my experience at the at the at the
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  Speaker 1: hockey game. So I'm enjoying the movement, the gracefulness, you know,
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden at the at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: hockey we there's a fight going on. It had nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with the other end of that. I would
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  Speaker 1: I would tell as as a as a fan, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what the heck, what is going on? But
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  Speaker 1: everybody in the stands like, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: I'm as am. I'm as the first time and I've
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  Speaker 1: been this more hockey game system was like like caught off.
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  Speaker 1: I remember really understand how that played a role into it,
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  Speaker 1: and people started educating that's where hockey is. They do that,
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  Speaker 1: that's how they go. Like that explained to me what
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  Speaker 1: you've been called car barm because I'm leaving, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you're one of the guys at the other end of
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  Speaker 1: the ice that I was like confused, that's what were
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  Speaker 1: you doing? What was going on there? Daniel? So we
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  Speaker 1: have in hockey, you have four lines of forwards. So
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  Speaker 1: you'd have six forwards, two lines that are essentially your
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  Speaker 1: skill guys that are quote unquote untouchable, and then you
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  Speaker 1: have your third and fourth line who are more grinders
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  Speaker 1: who wear the other skill guys down. So one of
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  Speaker 1: my jobs was to be an antagonist, was to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that the other team knew not to take any shots
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  Speaker 1: at our top six guys. So there's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an unwritten code because then I wouldn't take shots
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  Speaker 1: at theirs, and if that did happen, then you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: I had a pretty unpredictable nature to myself, so you
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  Speaker 1: would have to answer to me. And if their guy
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  Speaker 1: took shots at, you know, one of our skill guys,
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  Speaker 1: you'd think that I would go after the enforcer, when
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  Speaker 1: in fact, I would, you know, take the next shift
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  Speaker 1: and my coach would probably put me on the top
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  Speaker 1: six line and I would go after one of their
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  Speaker 1: skill guys. So kind of tip for tat get their
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  Speaker 1: guys instead of thinking about scoring goals, just acted by
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  Speaker 1: me and trying to trying to keep their head on straight. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In baseball, that would if their star player got hit,
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  Speaker 1: then the next inning when their player comes, they can
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  Speaker 1: hit him with a baseball. That's now now a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people trying to outlad that Now in hockey that
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  Speaker 1: the model of what you just spoke to me, is
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  Speaker 1: that still their norm. Are people trying to shower away
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  Speaker 1: from that, especially with being on TV so much nowadays. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I think that there's there's a lot of backlash,
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  Speaker 1: but I think we have to remember how the game
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  Speaker 1: was founded. Ultimately, there's a regular season, but that regular
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  Speaker 1: season is all set up to get to the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: to then win the Stanley Cup, and the Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 1: is a seven game series, right, four rounds of seven games,
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  Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, there is always
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  Speaker 1: this aspect of taking somebody's will to play away, and
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  Speaker 1: the way you do that is you you lean on
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  Speaker 1: them with with physicality. Obviously you have to score more
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  Speaker 1: goals to win the game, but over that period of
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  Speaker 1: time you have to make sure that there's there's a
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  Speaker 1: nice meld of physicality and skill. And so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it will ever, you know, be out of
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  Speaker 1: the game, but there's definitely less fighting nowadays, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is a positive thing, and there's no more enforcers
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  Speaker 1: in the sense of the word. There's guys that can
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  Speaker 1: fight if something does happen. And so it's trending in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction being that you know now they're on
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  Speaker 1: ESPN and T n T and you have some TV
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  Speaker 1: deals and really people I think in Canada still there's
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  Speaker 1: the purest of the sport where they want to see
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  Speaker 1: the fighting, but to attract new fans to the game,
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  Speaker 1: I think the game is trending in the right direction
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  Speaker 1: where we're moving away from that, right we we we
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  Speaker 1: we this is what was taken to this conversation, that
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  Speaker 1: whole circle and how you can just run up to
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  Speaker 1: a player and just keeping him against the ice and
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  Speaker 1: you moving in a hundred miles an hour and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they don't see him that that that that coming, and
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  Speaker 1: it can lead to an ultimate collision or smash up
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  Speaker 1: against the rink itself. And those collisions of what leads
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  Speaker 1: us to the conversation we have in the day. Those
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  Speaker 1: those you know you see him in football, you know,
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  Speaker 1: running back is coming through the line, another player is
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  Speaker 1: meeting him at the same impactful moment. That's causing brain
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  Speaker 1: damage and its cause and people are starting to do tests.
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  Speaker 1: Some people are dying and asking can we get that
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  Speaker 1: players brains that we can do research on there is
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  Speaker 1: That's where we're at with with Sana. Yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: think that donating your brain for research is really important.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately that happens after men have passed away. UH with
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  Speaker 1: a history of repetitive head trauma. There's never been anybody
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  Speaker 1: found to have chronic traumatic and encephalopathy, which is a
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  Speaker 1: neurodegenerative disease similar to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, a l S, and dementia.
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  Speaker 1: Where eventually a tel protein takes over your brain and
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  Speaker 1: you're unable to do the normal tasks um of an
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  Speaker 1: everyday human being. And when these symptoms start to arise
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  Speaker 1: and there's little to no education or awareness or understanding,
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  Speaker 1: then you have people passing away and trying to cope
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  Speaker 1: in a in a number of different various ways. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that the settlement with the NFL really opened
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people's eyes and in the community of
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  Speaker 1: hockey to speaking about how not only the concussive hits
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  Speaker 1: are affecting individuals after they're done playing and during but
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  Speaker 1: also how these subconcussive hits are are affecting people over
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  Speaker 1: a longer period of time. So they've done things like
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  Speaker 1: move the age of hitting up um to incur less damage, etcetera.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, we are definitely in a brain eccentric age
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  Speaker 1: if you look at all supplementations and and even outside
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  Speaker 1: of the sporting world, everybody's really focused on on the brain.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, I think, make you sure that
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  Speaker 1: people that the men playing the sports are aware of
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  Speaker 1: the risk, and then making sure that they have the
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  Speaker 1: proper treatment to recover during the sport and then after
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  Speaker 1: having the proper resources to rely on, I think is
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  Speaker 1: extremely important and it's one of our goals absolutely to
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  Speaker 1: raise awareness for that and for traumatic brain injury. We'll
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  Speaker 1: be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with
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  Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass
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  Speaker 1: with Rushan McDonald. You know, I just recently saw a
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  Speaker 1: special I want to make sure I get the team weak.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was the Red Wings versus the Avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: Correct and uh and so you know, and my wife,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she didn't watch hockey, and it was so
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  Speaker 1: it was such a compelling series. It puts a violence
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  Speaker 1: serious to you know. It was like you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was like you know, you was you was you were
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  Speaker 1: blown away because of the fact that you know, here
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  Speaker 1: were two of the violent individuals that was sitting sharing
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  Speaker 1: the state eat as warriors. Who can actually sit next
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  Speaker 1: to you doesn't be civil? How did you translate you
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  Speaker 1: being this? You know, you don't get a name like
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  Speaker 1: you know, car bomb unless you're doing something out there.
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  Speaker 1: How did they translate? I know your teammates got you.
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  Speaker 1: How did you translate away from the court with your competitors?
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  Speaker 1: Are the other teams in the league. So it's it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Guys that did my job are usually the closest. We'd
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  Speaker 1: run into each other at you know, bars or afterwards
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  Speaker 1: at um other events and shake hands and hug and
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  Speaker 1: it was just all part of the game. It's all understood.
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  Speaker 1: It's similar to the confusion that you see. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: some people get when m m A fighters are clapping
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  Speaker 1: each other and how bey immediately after the fight. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So hockey's um very much like m m A on skates.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so compelling and exciting when
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  Speaker 1: you go and watch it live. That's such a different
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  Speaker 1: experience when you're watching it on TV. But we get on.
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  Speaker 1: We get on pretty well, and we understand that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we are gladiators in a sense that, um, we're programmed
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  Speaker 1: to suffer and to take damage for the good of
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  Speaker 1: the team. And however that looks. If that looks like
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  Speaker 1: fighting somebody, then so be it. If it looks like
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  Speaker 1: laying down blocking a hundred slap shot, um, however we
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  Speaker 1: can get to the final goal of of winning. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's all. It's all a part of that game. Just
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  Speaker 1: just I know the interviews about this, but I just
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  Speaker 1: want to get your feedback. I saw that, and I
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  Speaker 1: was just taken away by the violence and then the
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  Speaker 1: teamwork in the com camaraderie of it. A person like
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  Speaker 1: you who was not part of that and saw that.
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  Speaker 1: What was your takeaway? Was it too much violence? Did
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  Speaker 1: you say wow? Sometimes, oh my god, when you watch
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  Speaker 1: that that that that that special that was put put
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  Speaker 1: on by ESPN A Red Birds, I mean the Red
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  Speaker 1: Wings versus the Avalanche. Yeah, So that's how I learned
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  Speaker 1: the game. I watched rock'em Sock them videos and I
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  Speaker 1: watched these men be gladiators out there, and the game
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  Speaker 1: was again, like much different back then than it is
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  Speaker 1: today right where it's trending in a different direction. But
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  Speaker 1: when I came up, I'm only thirty seven years old,
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  Speaker 1: it was very much like that where you would start games,
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  Speaker 1: the puck would drop and you'd have two guys fighting
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  Speaker 1: right away, and so, um, you know, there's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things that bring people out of their seats, and
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  Speaker 1: one of them that brings everybody out of their seats
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  Speaker 1: is a fight. So um, there fights, line brawls, right,
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  Speaker 1: so you saw less of like five guys fighting and
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  Speaker 1: bench clearing brawls, et cetera. It still happened. Um, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that you know, to make the game, to
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  Speaker 1: grow the game outside of you know, the six Canadian
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  Speaker 1: teams that we have, and and outside of Colorado and
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  Speaker 1: these original six teams Chicago, Detroit, UH, we have to
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  Speaker 1: the game has to evolve. And that's that's definitely what's
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  Speaker 1: what's happening now. Cool. I'm speaking of Daniel Carcillo. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He's the two time UH Standard Cup champion with the
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  Speaker 1: Chicago black Hawk. What you did you win those those
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  Speaker 1: those titles. So I lost to them in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and ten with the Flyers and then I ended up
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  Speaker 1: signing with them in two thousand and twelve. I won
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  Speaker 1: a Cup in two thousand thirteen. I was, I thought.
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  Speaker 1: So I was in Chicago. I was managing Steve Harvey
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  Speaker 1: at the time, and we were doing the talk show
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  Speaker 1: at Chicago. I said, he problems up there when I
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  Speaker 1: was up there, and one of those titles up there, well,
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  Speaker 1: that city was on fire, man, because we did out
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  Speaker 1: talk to the first season and y'all want it and
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  Speaker 1: then ya wanted the game, man. That city was on
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  Speaker 1: fire about the black Hawks. Man. It was, Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was a really amazing time to be a black Hawk,
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  Speaker 1: to be in the city. It really was one of
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  Speaker 1: the modern dnasties because you don't see many teams winning
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  Speaker 1: three times within an eight year period, you know, very
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  Speaker 1: very special time. So so now now you're out of hockey.
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  Speaker 1: And so let say we do play the game to
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  Speaker 1: play the game. You play the game to win. You
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  Speaker 1: play the game because God gave your talent. When you
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  Speaker 1: start realizing that something's not right in the game that
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  Speaker 1: you're playing, when did you start realizing that? Daniel? So,
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  Speaker 1: when I signed with the black Hawks, I made an
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  Speaker 1: intention to not you know, manage my symptoms with you know, alcohol, opiates,
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  Speaker 1: UM toward her all quarters, all these anti inflammatories that
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  Speaker 1: most athletes are on. So I was at twenty five
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  Speaker 1: and when I got to the black Hawks, I met
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  Speaker 1: Steve Monitor, who was seven years sober and he had
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  Speaker 1: been through sixteen traumatic brain injuries at that time, and
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  Speaker 1: we were kind of just um. We became really really
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  Speaker 1: fast friends and and stayed by each other's side for
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  Speaker 1: the next five years. Uh In two thousand and thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: Steve got cleared for four can cuttions in a twelve
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  Speaker 1: week period, and so at that point he had nineteen
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  Speaker 1: and he started to really suffer and I started to
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  Speaker 1: see very similar symptoms in myself that he had. And
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  Speaker 1: then those symptoms, Daniel, can you tell us who that's
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  Speaker 1: what those symptoms were that you started to notice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so things like light sensitivity, slurred speech, headache, head pressure, insomnia,
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  Speaker 1: impulse control issues, appetite loss, short term long term memory loss, anxiety, depression,
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  Speaker 1: suicidal ideation, there was. You know, they're pretty serious symptoms,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of the first onset of dementia.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're experiencing that at thirty three thirty four
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  Speaker 1: while you're still playing, and I'm watching my friend who
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  Speaker 1: then retired, really accelerate his degradation if you will, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just looked at myself and I just had my
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  Speaker 1: son in two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen feb where
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  Speaker 1: Steve passed away, and then he was found to have
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  Speaker 1: a stage three ct E, which is a pretty progressive
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  Speaker 1: stage for him only being thirty four. So at the
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  Speaker 1: end of that year, we ended up winning again, but
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  Speaker 1: I ended up suffering pretty bad. And then I got
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  Speaker 1: my seventh concussion in March, and for reasons that I
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  Speaker 1: made for my family and for myself, I decided to
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  Speaker 1: retire and step away, and then I've since been on
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  Speaker 1: this eight year brain health journey to recover my brain
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  Speaker 1: quality of life, and it's brought me across a number
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  Speaker 1: of different treatments and tools and modalities that I've been
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  Speaker 1: able to luckily share with with the following that I have. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing about it when this interview
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  Speaker 1: opportunity would presented itself to me, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming off mental health, mind, coming off mental health and minorities,
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  Speaker 1: and we're coming off with so many layers to trying
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  Speaker 1: to get the message of quote Daniel, is that the
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  Speaker 1: football pro football has done a good job of getting
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  Speaker 1: the word out that we have a problem. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we have a problem. They've talked about high school, they
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  Speaker 1: talked about middle school, changing the way you tackle, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not tackling with your head. All these things have been
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  Speaker 1: put in place, and I felt that at least should
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  Speaker 1: allow you to start telling your story, the NHL story,
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  Speaker 1: because changes don't happen if it's just only a few
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  Speaker 1: people hear about it. And I hope that my platform
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  Speaker 1: allows more people to hear about it. What are you
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  Speaker 1: trying to get out the most doing this interview about
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  Speaker 1: the whatsnic health platform as well as the experiences that
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  Speaker 1: may need to happen within the NHL for it to
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  Speaker 1: be a safer but still entertaining league. Yeah, so as
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  Speaker 1: far as the NHL goes, I'm really not trying to
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  Speaker 1: do anything to change any rules. I just want because
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  Speaker 1: damage is gonna happen, So I just want individuals in
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  Speaker 1: the league, outside of the league, if you have kids,
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  Speaker 1: to know that there's things that you can do to
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  Speaker 1: train your brain to increase processing speed hand I court Nation,
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  Speaker 1: as well as peripheral vision, because unfortunately, right now, there's
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  Speaker 1: only a couple of things that can protect your brain
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  Speaker 1: from further injury, which is seeing the hit coming and
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  Speaker 1: bracing for it so that you stopped the whiplash, effect
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  Speaker 1: effectively stopping the damage of your brain slashing around in
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  Speaker 1: a rigid skull. And then things like CBD, which is
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  Speaker 1: a patented neuroprotect and patented by the US government in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand three, the only patented neuro protecting on Earth.
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  Speaker 1: So things like that that I advocate for, and then
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  Speaker 1: just the treatments that I've come across. I've been a
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  Speaker 1: astaunch mental health, traumatic brain injury advocate, and I always
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  Speaker 1: preface it with things can happen in different arenas, because
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  Speaker 1: I've talked with veterans, have talked with domestic abuse survivors,
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  Speaker 1: have talked with football players, um, cheerleaders, you know, swimming
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  Speaker 1: people that swim and hit their heads during practice because
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  Speaker 1: the pool is populated, So there's equestrian I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of different arenas. And I always just speak
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  Speaker 1: from the context of if you're suffering, there's things that
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  Speaker 1: you can do, and those things don't always include medicine.
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  Speaker 1: They can because it does help, but they can also
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  Speaker 1: include things like float tanks or self deprivation tanks, hyperbaric chamber,
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  Speaker 1: cranial sacral which is a technique to to decompress the
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  Speaker 1: brain UH and also supplementation regiments. And really that's where
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  Speaker 1: we saw it was founded because up until three years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I was still suffering. If you see them before and
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  Speaker 1: after pictures, I was a complete shell of myself. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't able to put thoughts, words, conversations together, and it
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  Speaker 1: was deteriorating pretty quickly. It was a very scary time
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  Speaker 1: in my life. And and then I took an invitation
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  Speaker 1: to go to a decriminalized city and use the active
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  Speaker 1: ingredient in magic mushrooms, which is psilocybin, to recover my
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  Speaker 1: brain health. And it happened in a in about a
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  Speaker 1: sixty day period. I've now been on that regiment for
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  Speaker 1: almost three and a half years, and I've never been
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  Speaker 1: a healthier version of myself or higher operating. And just
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  Speaker 1: making sure that you know once you find something that
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  Speaker 1: you can create something like we Sanna, which can go
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  Speaker 1: through the proper regulatory scientific rigor with the FDA to
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  Speaker 1: create a new medication for people, because I believe that
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  Speaker 1: people need a diagnosis and then they need a prescription
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  Speaker 1: um that doesn't necessarily take them six months to get
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  Speaker 1: acclimated to like the current accessor as an antidepressants we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: have on the market. We'll be right back with more
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. When they
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: sent the bio over to me about certain things they
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about. When I hear the word psychedelic
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  Speaker 1: assisted therapy, I'm going to old school. I hear the
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  Speaker 1: word a L s D. I hear psycho Okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: are we talking about that, Are we talking about CBD
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  Speaker 1: or what are we talking about? What you're talking about
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the assisted therapy because it's a it's a combination that
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I've taken both hallucinogenic and non hallucinogenic. So when you're
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  Speaker 1: doing the larger doses of psilocybin, you definitely want to
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  Speaker 1: have a person there that's guiding you. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: they speak about in the context of psychedelic assisted psychotherapy
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  Speaker 1: and psychotherapy works. We know that and when you add
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  Speaker 1: in something like psilocybin or m d m A that's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: going to be coming online there and it's in phase
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: three for PTSD survivors with the FDA right now. You
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: are basically in a lot of these substances um looking
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: at the trauma, meeting the trauma head on. So in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the context of addiction, you are figuring out and you
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: will be shown why you are addicted to a certain
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: substance or why you're suffering from PTSD. You have to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: relive that trauma in order to come out of that
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  Speaker 1: ceremony UM feeling a little less weight. So then when
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  Speaker 1: in real life you have something that triggers you and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: triggers that trauma, you have a less emotional response to it,
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  Speaker 1: effectively not needing the alcohol or the other substances that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you would normally need to numb that down. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a really efficacious way of of dealing with mental health symptoms.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And it's um successful over sixty seven percent of the time,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: unlike what we have on the market now that works
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: around seventeen to thirty percent of the time. Was talking
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  Speaker 1: to Daniel Castillo, I'm gos to um the was Sana
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  Speaker 1: Health A two time champion, that's right, Stanley Cup and
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  Speaker 1: Chicago Blackhawks. He's a champion there now he's try a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: champion of calls that's out there, trying to make a
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  Speaker 1: difference with it. With the brain traumatic brain injury, you
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: know what, And we can talk with this car accidents,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: we can talk about it's a lot of different worries.
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  Speaker 1: Like like a knucklehead, I tell you, I gotta Hicky
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: right here, Daniel, when I was underneath the cabinet, forgot
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the top cabinet was up and raised up automatically, and
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  Speaker 1: bro I saw if I saw stars, I saw I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: could I could touch them. And so these type of injuries,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: you know, we kind of like blow them off but
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: people have died from these type of injuries, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: sudden impact on your brain. So we cannot trivialize what
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you're talking about in any situation, especially when you involved
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: your kid in physical sports. Whether it's uh you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: like I said, whether you know, we look at it,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: we look at we look at wrastling, we look at football,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: we look at uh hockey, But it also happens in
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: basketball because of physical contact, the elbows to the face.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You know, a suddenly going and elevating and air you fall,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: hit your head on the floor. There's so many ways
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that kids and young people are walking away. I just
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: want to let you know, man, you look fantastic and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: very articulate. And to say that you were a stayed
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: several years ago where you were a shell of a man. Today,
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  Speaker 1: my brother, you are outstanding. Man. I am I am uh,
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  Speaker 1: I am a walking testimony to hear you that. I
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  Speaker 1: want to see me whatever you gotta send to me
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  Speaker 1: to promote what you're doing, because if this is what
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it can get you from some from a shale, to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: get you control of your lives. Being articulate, having a smile,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: brand awareness, social awareness. Let's get that message out there,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what's not a where? Yeah, man, that's that's my new
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: wad conduct. Okay, thank you man. I appreciate the kind words.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And it's um yeah, it's been uh, it's been a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: long journey. I feel I've always felt that there's a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: larger purpose to life than you know, essentially pushing a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: buck around. You know, it's kind of always Uh, I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have a mind that was always kind of looking for
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: other things even though I was in my career, and um,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, you get tested and this
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: is uh, not necessarily another test, but really a culmination
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: of everything that I've done in my life up to
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  Speaker 1: this point to help mitigate suffering, whether it's in the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: traumatic brain injury context or whether it's outside of it,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: because these medicines have the potential to help activate the brain,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: help flush out you know, inflammation uh from from damaged
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: parts of the brain, stimulate the brain, essentially making us
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: feel better, more creative, better access to language and memory.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And it's um yeah, it's just a really exciting time.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate you having me on your platform to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about this. I appreciate you because, first of all,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a knowledge is power, and when you have knowledge and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you're able to share with people who may not be aware.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's even more credible experience the fact that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you've taken a brilliant career ten years and any board,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: especially at the level you played, to walk away two
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: championships and then to be on my interview and be
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: able to articulate the next phase of your life. This
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is the one that I always tell people anything in life.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: You know, athletic is a short phase of your life.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: The other phase of your life that fifty plus period.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: What are you doing now? You have a plan, my
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: friend Daniel and I am I want a champion in
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  Speaker 1: and I'm very serious. Whatever you do, I want to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, if you can give me
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  Speaker 1: something that we can part down the information so I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: can put it into my social media, put it on
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  Speaker 1: my newsletter and things like that on my LinkedIn account.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to assist you. And that's spreading the word. Okay,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of course I appreciate that. I'll definitely send over some information.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to thank him for coming on
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  Speaker 1: my show two times. Stanley cup to he was he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wanted when I was in Chicago. Okay, So I feel
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like I got a little ownership for this man's relationship. Again,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation aboutter Class. Daniel, Welcome.
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