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First Northeast Ultra 8 Gold Skyrunner Joe Palisi · Run Mountain Peaks

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  OK guys, this week we sat down with Joe Palisi.
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  He became the first Gold Sky runner on the Northeast Ultra 88
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  of the gnarliest, toughest single day hikes in the
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  Northeast. You got the Prezi traverse, the
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  Pemi Loop, Mahoussic Traverse, Devil's Path Great Range
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  traverse, Saranac 6, Cranberry 50, and the Taconic Crest
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  traverse. He finished all eight of these
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  hikes in summer and in winter, and he did it under the time
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  cutoff to become the Gold Skyrunner.
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  So there's a bunch of different levels of patches and different
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  times to complete these the Northeast Ultra Ache hikes.
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  He was the first one to do it. And let me just tell you, I
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  mean, if you've been on the the hikes, you know that they're
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  gnarly. I haven't been on all of them,
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  but the doing some of these hikes in the winter on trails
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  that nobody goes on, nobody breaks out in New England winter
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  conditions. He had some crazy stories, some
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  gnarly stories, a couple DNFS, but he came back, he bounced
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  back and he he was the first guy crazy enough, cool enough, crazy
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  enough to do all 8 hikes in summer and winter under the time
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  cut off. So it's a good interview.
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  Stay tuned. After the interview, I'm going
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  to do some race preview, some race results from the New
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  England ultra scene. I'm going to talk about my
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  recent run and the trail conditions right now in New
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  Hampshire, and then I'm going to do a little bit of a.
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  Dream story I had a. Little bit of a weird dream that
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  kind of made me think about some things.
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  I don't know if it's going to be crazy, but you know, stick with
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  me for some dream talk at the end of it.
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  But that's what we got today. Hopefully you guys enjoy.
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  Here's Joe. OK, Joe Palisi, the first
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  Northeast Ultra 8 Golden Sky Runner finisher.
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  So I saw your post on Instagram. It just kind of like popped up.
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  I known about the Northeast Ultra 8, like the different
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  hikes that we'll get into. But I saw it pop up and I'm
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  like, oh, what is this? I didn't really know the full
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  different levels. So I start looking into it and
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  realize some of these heights and some of these winter what it
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  took to finish this. So I just want to like jump
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  right into it. Can you be like the spokesperson
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  for the Northeast Ultra 8, the different levels and like how
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  you got started with all that stuff?
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  Yeah, absolutely. So the Northeast Ultra 8 is just
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  a kind of collection of eight big difficult routes in the
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  Northeast. And there's there's 3 levels.
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  There's like the Northeast 8, which is there's no time limit
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  to do any of them. Then there's the Ultra 8, which
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  is the standard. So you have 24 hours to complete
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  each and then there's the Skyrunner which just gives
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  stricter cut off times. So like 10 hours ish in the
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  winter, in the summer and like you know, 14 to 20 in the winter
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  and so. That the regular Skyrunner is is
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  just you have to do a winter summer, but it's just stricter
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  than 24 hours. Yeah, it's yeah.
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  So the the ultra is just sub 24 and then the Skyrunner is like
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  each individual trail or route has its own cut off.
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  OK, OK. So like you know, Prezi is like
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  10 hours for the summer and like 14 hours for the winter.
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  And then you know, the harder ones are are a bit longer.
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  OK, gotcha. And then what's the golden
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  Skyrunner? So the golden Skyrunner is you
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  have to do them all in the winter and in the normal summer
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  version. OK, gotcha.
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  So 8 hikes I know Prezi Pemi Mahoussa.
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  Yep. Are the ones in New Hampshire at
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  least New Hampshire, Maine and then great range traverse?
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  Yep. So in the Dax Great range,
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  traverse the Cranberry 50 and the Saranac 6, and then Devil's
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  Path is in the Catskills. OK, gotcha, gotcha.
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  And then the Taconic Crest traverse which is like out
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  Western Mass and the Taconics. Gotcha.
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  OK, cool. OK, So what was your first hike?
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  How did you did you know going into these things?
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  We kind of chat a little bit before this, you did the long or
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  you did some hiking kind of on a whim with the buddy, you do the
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  long trail. But like, did you know you just
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  saw these hikes and we're like, oh, this is epic, let's try
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  some. And then you learned about it.
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  Is that how it happened? Yeah, I, I mean, I'd heard of
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  the list before. I wasn't really trying to go for
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  it or anything, but like, just looking at the website, I was
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  really intrigued and I saw that not many people had done like
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  the sky renter version. And, you know, I figured I might
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  as well like, give it a shot, right?
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  I'm I've just been hiking a bit and feel like I'm decently fast,
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  so why not give it a try, Yeah? Yeah, clearly.
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  Yeah. Yeah, so.
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  So the first one I did actually for the for the normal, not
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  winter Skyrunner was the Devil's Path was the first Skyrunner I
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  did. OK, I'd done the TCT and the
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  Prezi and the Pammy before, but not in skyrunner time.
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  Yeah, and you know, but Devil's Path was the first Summer
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  Skyrunner, and then the first Winter Skyrunner I did was also
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  Devil's Path, actually. OK.
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  Yeah. So what are the times?
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  I was looking at the chart, Do you know all the times for each
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  of the routes? Like could you pull all that
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  today or? Yeah, yeah, I think so.
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  What's? The devil's path summer and
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  winter times. So for the summer it's 10 hours
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  and then for the winter it's 14 hours.
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  OK. Yeah, nice.
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  And is that something? That gets a lot of.
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  Action I'm really intrigued about some of these winter
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  missions you went on because I'm sure that some of these didn't
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  get broken out or whatever. No.
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  So the winter, the devil's path, how did that one go?
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  Was that your first winter, you said?
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  Yes. First successful winter.
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  Successful winter, Yeah. Is that does that get?
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  Broken out Foley was there. You know, sections where you
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  really had to slog. Like how did the first one go?
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  Yeah, so the first one was like mid January and there was there
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  was a bit of snow. We actually did the whole thing
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  in micro spikes, OK, didn't even pull out snowshoes and we saw a
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  lot of people. So it's a popular area of the
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  Catskills. All those mountains are are on
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  the more popular side down there.
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  That was actually with my buddy Thomas or OK, who's I?
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  I'll talk about him more, but he actually is was like a big key
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  player in getting some of these done too nice and.
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  I've messaged with him actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And I think I remember this winter he had mentioned like,
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  oh, I'm going to do the Mahoussic traverse this weekend.
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  I was thinking like, what? So was that one that he had went
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  out with you? On yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. So that was like kind of like
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  these winter missions. I'm thinking like, who's going
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  out here doing this stuff? OK.
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  Yeah, so Thomas is like, he's he's, he's awesome.
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  I mean, he's like he he puts put the idea in my head to go for
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  the winter sky runner too. And yeah.
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  And he was the one that asked me yo, like, let's go do, let's go
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  do devils. And I was like, dude, I don't
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  know. You know, like these in the
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  summer are like already they're they're already plenty.
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  Yeah. And then in the winter, it's.
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  Yeah. Well, so are you like a lot of
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  these? You probably bringing snowshoes,
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  yes, but you're also bringing like a ton of water I'm
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  assuming. Like your packs are just huge.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
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  And that's completely, like, one of the big things that I had in
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  my mind for this challenge was like, I never wanted to
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  sacrifice, like, safety or gear for speed.
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  Yeah. Because, I mean, you hear horror
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  stories and there's been tragedies.
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  Yeah. You know, of people that have
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  gone out, you know, lightweight in a in an effort to set some
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  really fast, super cool time. Yeah.
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  And then like something tragic happens, you get injured or
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  whatever and no one's coming to save you, especially in the
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  winter. Yeah, that is, that is a good
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  point. And it's like, especially when
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  you're. Yeah, you're going for time and
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  you're pushing your your body sometimes, you know, it's cool
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  to see people push, but when you're out there totally alone,
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  you know, sub 0 attempts or whatever it may be, that
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  definitely gets a little bit dicey.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. So it's good obviously, that you
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  were thinking ahead. Well, prepared 10 essentials.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So you did the devil's path. How did that one go?
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  Were you like, I can't do all eight of these?
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  Or were you like, OK, OK. I was definitely struggling
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  towards the end. I didn't eat nearly enough.
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  I almost, I kind of went into it with more like a running
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  mentality like that we were going to be moving fast and it's
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  just not the same as the summer like where you can move fast in
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  the summer. You can't really do that in the
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  winter usually unless, unless it's like a highway.
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  Yeah. And even that like we were in
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  Micra's the whole time. So looking back on it wasn't
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  that bad. Yeah.
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  But I I just I don't know if I was quite ready for just how
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  much longer and like more energy like intensive the the day was
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  going to be. Yeah, you know.
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  Yeah, it really. Does take it out of you because
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  like you're saying, if it's not packed highway, if it's even a
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  little bit of loose snow, you're losing energy at every step,
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  right? Yeah.
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  You got to carry more stuff the whole the whole thing.
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  Sure. And the cold temperatures too.
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  They suck the energy right out. Yeah.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So that was what year was that? That was 20.
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  That was actually the beginning of last year, so early 2025.
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  OK, so you knocked all these out?
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  Last year and this year. Last year and this year.
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  OK, so you do Devil's path in the winter.
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  Now did you only have one summer at the going into last winter or
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  did you do more that summer after Devil's Path summer?
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  So I I did Devil's Path summer in like fall of 2024.
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  OK, I consider it summer still. I mean, yeah, yeah, there's no
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  snow or. Anything.
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  Oh yeah. So it's not like in the season
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  summer, it's just no snow. Yeah, no snow.
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  Yeah. Yeah, no snow like or not
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  winter. Not winter, you know, the normal
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  40 or It was actually November of 2023 that I did Devil's Path
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  the first time, I think. OK, but yeah.
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  And then that next summer, I actually finished all the rest
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  of the summer Skyrunner. OK, nice.
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  So yeah. OK, so sub 10 devil's path
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  summer, Sub 14 Devil's path winter, Yeah.
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  What was your next one in the summer that you went for that
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  when you when you cleared them all?
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  The next one was the TCT Tatonic Crest Trail.
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  So that one I did in the summer or it was the spring of 2024, so
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  that next year and that one's actually like I like to do it in
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  the spring. I've now done it a couple times
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  because it's more near where I live and it's, it gets really
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  overgrown in the summer. And so spring is good and fall
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  is good because like you're not dealing with all the ferns and
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  the I've heard some horror stories with like ticks on that
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  trail. Oh gosh, yeah.
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  So, but yeah, so that one's 11 hours, OK.
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  And that's 36 miles and like 8K about and it's definitely more
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  runnable than like all the other ones except like Cranberry.
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  Yeah, but yeah, less popular for sure.
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  Yeah, not as it's a little bit of a sucky trail.
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  Yeah, it's. Not the growing Backcountry feel
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  for sure. Yeah, yeah.
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  And you're not even that Backcountry.
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  I mean, well, it's like, yeah, I mean, it's.
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  Maybe just less maintained? Less maintained the whole trail
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  too. It feels like you're on like a
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  side hill. OK, so you're kind of your
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  ankles are always like rolling to the side.
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  Yeah. I mean, if anyone's done it will
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  know exactly what I'm talking about.
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  It's just, yeah. OK.
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  So, so I'm curious you, you did them all one year, Are you like
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  training for these efforts or you just like doing big miles?
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  Like are you taking when you do 1 like Devil's path, how long
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  until you went after that next one?
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  So after Devil's Path that first year, I was, it was going into
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  the winter. So I actually started trying, I
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  tried to do the great range in the winter that first year and
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  that went pretty bad. So I I'll actually share.
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  That yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it.
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  But I mean, like after that, I actually ended up getting some
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  mild frostbite that pretty much put me out for most of that next
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  winter season. And then getting back into like
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  running didn't really happen towards the end of the winter
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  spring. And I was doing some Rd. miles
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  and I did like 1/2 marathon because I was like not really
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  getting into the mountains too much with that injury, but.
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  Where did you get the frostbite? It was.
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  So we tried the great range and just ended up having a way, way,
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  way longer day than we should have.
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  Got wet, you know, some water got in the boots and yeah, got
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  on the toes I got. It the toes.
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  Yeah, yeah. Brutal.
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  Yeah, that's tough. We were just talking a couple a
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  couple episodes ago. Connor Brown, I don't know if
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  you know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He was talking about he had a frostbite incident as well on
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  the. Toes pretty much the same exact
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  thing that he was talking about. Yeah, that like, you know, just
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  getting that, you know, almost purple luck on your toes and you
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  take the boots off and you're like, you know, crap.
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  Yeah, it can't be good. Cooked.
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  Yeah, does this still give you trouble?
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  Like, you know, you notice it gets colder easily, more easily
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  than the rest of you know, your toes for sure.
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  I had like my nail fell out and, and I'm also a climber.
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  So as that nail was growing back in, I was wearing my climbing
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  shoes and they're super tight. Yeah.
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  Like really like was giving me a lot of pain, like coming back in
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  because it was going. It was like getting pushed in.
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  Yeah. By the climbing shoes.
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  Yeah, that's not good. That was kind of annoying to
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  deal with, but it's fine now pretty much.
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  Yeah. But bounce back from it.
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  Bounce back. So how many did you do that that
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  winter then? That that first winter I did
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  none. After the great range.
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  OK, so the fail. So that does 2024.
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  I got you. Yeah, and I'll talk more about
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  that story later when we get to the great range I.
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  Guess yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
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  So keep keeping with the summer. What was Next up?
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  So then we did. I think the Prezi was the next
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  one I did in 2024. OK, my watch is better.
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  Pause mid laps. He's a, he's a mid run guys
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  right now. Yeah, so the Prezi was the next
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  one and we did that in May, OK. And Oh yeah, so I I will say
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  Devils and TCTI did solo. Solo, I was just going to ask,
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  you can just do these with with other people.
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  It's just getting the finishing time, yeah.
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  Exactly. Yeah, there's no rule for like,
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  supported, unsupported for the whole street.
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  Yeah, the presidential traverse I did with my buddy Xander and
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  we did it in May and like literally right before like any
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  of the huts or the summit. Oh gosh.
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  So like that was, I think we were, we didn't really do too
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  much research. I mean, like we've done the
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  Prezi before and not for yeah, any like time or anything.
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  We knew what we were getting into a little bit, but it was
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  kind of a a surprise that the. The huts weren't open.
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  Yeah, yeah, I've had similar, I've heard similar stories from
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  people and IIA lot of people will ask me about the Hut
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  sometimes and I actually don't really go into them or use them
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  really much. Like I just fill up at the
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  spigot and go. So I'm not also aware of when
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  they open and stuff. So I'm sure, yeah, other people
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  have ran into that issue. So was there no water up there
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  for you guys? There was, I mean, yeah, there
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  was. There was none, but I think we
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  both got through it on what we were carrying.
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  OK, OK, yeah, nice, nice. So I mean.
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  It's the we're, we're familiar enough with it that we were
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  like, OK, we're, we're good. Yeah.
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  Was there still snow when you did it in May?
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  Only on the Jefferson snowfield, you know, part and that was a
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  little bit of a sketchy traverse because you know, it's like the
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  there's like some some little tracks going across it.
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  Yeah, yeah, it was a little bit a little bit, you know, funs
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  across that in trail run. Yeah, you're slipping a little
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  bit, but. Yeah, a little bit dicey.
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  Whatever. Yeah, well, on my first Prezi
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  traverse in the winter that I did, I did it solo.
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  And I also really didn't know much about this.
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  I think I've told this on the podcast, but I'll just tell you
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  quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I hadn't even seen Mount Washington before in person,
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  really hadn't seen it. I and I, I swear to God, I don't
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  even think I knew that there were the the towers on there
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  like how it looked. So I was just hiking.
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  I knew the route and was like, Oh, I want to do this winter
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  Prezi. So I get up there with a huge
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  pack that I hadn't really worn before with all the stuff in it
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  so heavy alone in the dark and I get up to Madison Hutt or and I
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  was kind of a so I did Madison got to mad Hutt and I was going
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  up to Adams and I like got a little ways up the trail and you
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  know how there's like a few of the Adams.
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  There's like different piece, not just the one.
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  I thought that that was like. All of the Prezi range.
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  Oh, really? So you couldn't see to
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  Washington. I was like, oh, that's
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  Washington. That's what Jeffrey or whatever,
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  That's hilarious. And dude, I got up into Adams in
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  my entire world, like flipped on its head.
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  I was like, Oh my God, I'm not even close you.
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  Gotta go all that way, yeah? So, but when I did that, I was
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  crossing the Jefferson snowfield and I had an ice axe that I
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  hadn't used before. Like I was just like, I'm going
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  to get this, you know, whatever. Classic, classic, classic.
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  And it's strapped down on my pack and I realized when I'm
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  halfway across the snowfield, like, Oh my God, I'm on it.
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  And. There was one set of tracks and
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  so like, I didn't even have room to take my pack off it was so
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  heavy. So I was just like, just totally
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  blew it. But yeah, fun on the Jefferson
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  Snowfield. Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
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  Yeah, I, you know, we were joking about like, yeah, the ice
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  axe is just for the pictures. Yeah, you don't usually need it,
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  but you do. Like sometimes you do need it.
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  That would be a situation the one time that you actually do
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  need it, right? Yeah.
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  You're not using it. So I think I sold it.
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  Like the next fall I was like, if I actually need this, I'm
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  just not going to go on that route for the, you know, the
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  couple places in the Whites. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I'm not a climber, so I don't know.
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  You probably get in more of those situations but I just
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  stick to the pack down trails usually.
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  Sure. Yeah, yeah.
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  If you want to move fast, like just stay on, you know, do that.
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  So any, any anything else? So you had no HUD access but the
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  Prezi went OK. A little bit of bonking at the
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  end, but nothing crazy. Yeah, the Prezi was fine.
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  I mean, that's just so rude. That's like, I mean, the way I
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  I, I really like it. I don't think it's too difficult
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  in comparison to the other ones. I think a lot of people do think
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  it's difficult because of the rocks.
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  Yeah, but that one is 1 in my opinion.
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  I almost think it's actually like the easiest, OK physically
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  for me. Yeah, Yeah.
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  It's is it the shortest? It's definitely the shortest.
• 18:39
  It's the shortest, yeah. Yeah.
• 18:40
  Is that the lowest? What was the time cut off for
• 18:42
  summer? It's 10 hours, 10.
• 18:44
  So it's it's generous. But yeah, I mean, if you're not
• 18:49
  used to those rocks like it's, it's tough to move fast on the
• 18:52
  northern half. Oh yeah, the northern presents
• 18:54
  are shocking. Quite shocking, Yeah.
• 18:58
  All right, so. So Next up, you knocked out the
• 19:00
  Prezi. Yeah.
• 19:01
  So the next one was the Saranac, Saranac six.
• 19:04
  OK. And that's different.
• 19:06
  Yeah. So that's the Driving 1.
• 19:07
  Yeah, so I know about this. There's like, what is it some
• 19:10
  sort of gazebo looking thing? I feel like I've seen pictures
• 19:12
  that you have to drive to and there's a bell, right?
• 19:14
  And you use six different things.
• 19:15
  So. So explain that one.
• 19:17
  Yeah. So there's the bell down in in
• 19:21
  like the village of Saranac Lake.
• 19:23
  So it's it's interesting. You got to start your watch
• 19:25
  there and, and finish your watch there.
• 19:28
  Yeah. And you also have to do one of
• 19:30
  the peaks, Baker. You have to start and end from
• 19:33
  that bell. So you got to run to it because
• 19:35
  it's rain in the town. OK, Yeah.
• 19:37
  So yeah, so like it's, but it's funny, like I always end with
• 19:42
  Baker when I do the Saranac 6. And I mean, I've only done it a
• 19:45
  couple times, so. But so, yeah, like I, you drive
• 19:50
  to the bell, you know, you're like hand on the bell or the
• 19:53
  gazebo or whatever it is. Yeah.
• 19:55
  And then you start your watch and then you immediately, like,
• 19:57
  pause your watch and drive to, to the first one because, like,
• 20:02
  you still got to get the elapsed time.
• 20:03
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. It's bell to bell.
• 20:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:06
  But yeah, it's just funny. Yeah, that is funny.
• 20:08
  And then, yeah, the first one that I do that I did in the
• 20:12
  summer was a haystack. And there's like Haystack
• 20:15
  McKenzie, kind of like AY split. Yeah.
• 20:17
  So you do those two and then Scarface was the next one, and
• 20:22
  then Ampersand, and then Saint Regis and Baker was the last
• 20:28
  one. OK, so they're all, they all
• 20:30
  have their own personalities. Yeah.
• 20:32
  What is the total stats on that when you do all six of them,
• 20:35
  Like what are the running stats and what are the driving stats?
• 20:38
  Are you driving significant chunks?
• 20:40
  Yeah. So it's, I think about two hours
• 20:42
  of driving, OK, if you're not like breaking any laws or you
• 20:45
  don't get stuck behind. Yeah.
• 20:47
  Well, this is something that I I've talked people about, like
• 20:50
  some of these driving ones. Yeah.
• 20:52
  Are people flying like there should be like a you just have
• 20:54
  to go the speed limit because we don't want to make it a driving
• 20:56
  right thing. Yeah.
• 20:57
  It's interesting like there because that is part of the FKT.
• 21:01
  It's like total time, bell to bell.
• 21:03
  Yeah. And like, I mean in theory, like
• 21:05
  if you're speeding, you're, you're taking off time, time
• 21:09
  that you got. To.
• 21:10
  Run, yeah. But yeah, it's, it's about two
• 21:13
  hours give or take. OK.
• 21:15
  And then for the stats on the mountains, I think it's about 30
• 21:21
  miles with like 9 K vert altogether.
• 21:24
  Yeah, so. What's the longest?
• 21:26
  Are there any like long ones, like 10 miles?
• 21:29
  Are they all kind of Yeah. Would that be 5?
• 21:32
  The Haystack Haystack and Mackenzie together is about 10
• 21:36
  miles. OK, so.
• 21:37
  And the rest of them are shorter.
• 21:38
  There and then Scarface is 7 I think and then ampersand like 6.
• 21:44
  Saint Regis I think is like 6. And then, yeah, one of my
• 21:49
  131929, yeah, Baker's like 2 miles.
• 21:52
  OK, yeah, it's quick ending. Yeah.
• 21:54
  Quick end, yeah. So what?
• 21:57
  So what's the time cut off for that one?
• 21:59
  That time cut off is 1211 or 12 hours.
• 22:03
  Is it OK? I think 12 hours.
• 22:04
  Yeah, was that one hard? It's it's it's hard.
• 22:10
  Like you sit in the car and start to tighten up a little.
• 22:13
  Yeah. Like in that sense, it's it's
• 22:15
  hard. But none of the trails are too
• 22:17
  bad. Up to Mackenzie is like,
• 22:19
  definitely get a good taste of the Adirondacks there because
• 22:23
  that trail's pretty, pretty raw. Yeah.
• 22:25
  But none of them are too bad in particular.
• 22:28
  Like, you could in the summer, you could probably go out and
• 22:31
  with just like a running belt, just go RIP them.
• 22:33
  Yeah. I wasn't necessarily going to
• 22:36
  like RIP them or anything. Yeah, you were just trying for
• 22:38
  to get under that qualifying time exactly.
• 22:41
  That makes sense. So nice, OK.
• 22:44
  Yeah. What was next that summer you
• 22:46
  were just knocking these out? Was this like, did you do any
• 22:48
  back-to-back weekends or were there?
• 22:50
  Yeah. I would say yeah, or maybe once
• 22:53
  every one every two weekends, Yeah, every couple weekends go
• 22:56
  up every couple weekends. Yeah, and.
• 22:59
  Where are you driving from? At that point, I was driving
• 23:01
  from Connecticut. Connecticut.
• 23:03
  So OK, yeah, like Hartford area. Yeah.
• 23:05
  So so yeah, it's a similar distance to that or on decks and
• 23:09
  the whites. So they were, you know, yeah.
• 23:13
  Long drives, Yeah. Every two weekends it was like
• 23:16
  worth it for. Me.
• 23:17
  Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 23:18
  We're used to long drives around here.
• 23:20
  Yeah, yeah. And then so the next, next one I
• 23:25
  did was the Penny. OK, Nice Penny.
• 23:27
  Oh yeah. And actually, so the Saranac I
• 23:29
  did with my buddy Will. Yeah, Will.
• 23:32
  And then Penny I did with Xander again, same guy as the Prezi.
• 23:36
  Yeah, that one was the Pemi was like it was hard, but I felt
• 23:41
  really good on. It yeah, you know, Nice.
• 23:43
  Was that your first time doing a Pemi?
• 23:45
  That was my, well, not first time on the Pemi, but my first
• 23:48
  time running it in a day. Yeah, I backpacked it and yeah,
• 23:54
  it was, it went surprisingly well.
• 23:56
  I added on West Bond. There you go.
• 23:58
  Little bit of a flex, yeah? I was like working on the 48 and
• 24:03
  not Galehead. Though I was going to say, did
• 24:05
  you do the Galehead? No.
• 24:06
  Well, we did Galehead on the backpacking.
• 24:08
  Trip. Oh, OK, so you already had a
• 24:09
  bond. Yeah, yeah, I got you.
• 24:11
  This is peak bagger mentality. Yeah.
• 24:13
  And I'm like, you know, I got enough time to do it.
• 24:16
  So yeah, Yeah, that one, Yeah. And we went counterclockwise.
• 24:21
  OK, started on the Bonds, and that was actually the first time
• 24:26
  I really used caffeine, like, ever.
• 24:28
  I'm not like a big caffeine guy, to be honest.
• 24:30
  Yeah. And yeah, I felt great.
• 24:33
  Yeah. So Xander is super fit, like
• 24:35
  he's from Colorado too, and he's always blowing me out of the
• 24:39
  water. But that was the first time I
• 24:40
  actually felt fitter than him. Yeah.
• 24:41
  Yeah. Because I was on caffeine.
• 24:43
  Yeah. I'm like the caffeine.
• 24:44
  Amazing. Yeah.
• 24:45
  Great. Yeah.
• 24:47
  Oh it it definitely helps. I don't drink caffeine regularly
• 24:50
  but when I do workouts and efforts now I definitely take
• 24:53
  it. Yeah, Yeah.
• 24:55
  It's, it's it's great. Yeah.
• 24:56
  Yeah, yeah. Do you think you did overboard?
• 24:58
  Sometimes I I take a little bit too much.
• 25:00
  I'm like, I took too much caffeine.
• 25:02
  Yeah, no, I, I don't think so. I think I take a good amount.
• 25:06
  OK. It was, it's like rocket fuel.
• 25:08
  I don't think I took that much. I don't remember how much it
• 25:11
  was. He was like, yeah, you know,
• 25:13
  take this, Yeah. So you can keep up with me and
• 25:16
  like, yeah, yeah. That's funny, whatever.
• 25:18
  But what were the penny times? Penny was like 950 something,
• 25:23
  955. Yeah.
• 25:25
  So and that was that was like I was pushing it.
• 25:28
  Yeah, well, not. Flying, but pushing it.
• 25:31
  Yeah, definitely. Do you think this is always a
• 25:34
  question? Are you a counter?
• 25:35
  I don't know. You've done it at least twice
• 25:37
  the penny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:38
  Would you prefer counterclockwise or clockwise?
• 25:41
  That's a good question. I I actually really like
• 25:45
  counter. Clock.
• 25:45
  You like Counter? I feel like more people like
• 25:48
  counter Clockwise. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Though the only thing that I just like a little bit better is
• 25:52
  if I'm going with my the heaviest pack that I have, like
• 25:55
  at the beginning, yeah, I would rather just get the climb out of
• 25:58
  the way. Sure.
• 26:00
  While my legs are kind of like a little bit fresh and maybe they
• 26:02
  don't feel it as much. Yeah.
• 26:03
  And then I'm just lighter the rest of the way.
• 26:05
  Yeah. Whereas like you just do more
• 26:07
  climbing later in the counter clockwise.
• 26:10
  But I, I'm pretty sure that people, and I've, we've talked
• 26:13
  about this on the podcast before, I think people are in
• 26:15
  are in agreement that counterclockwise is probably
• 26:18
  faster. Yeah, I would, I would think so.
• 26:21
  I, I think I share the same like mentality with you on that heavy
• 26:24
  pack, because in the winter I did it clockwise.
• 26:26
  Yeah, with the pack, Yeah. But I think for
• 26:29
  counterclockwise, like if I was going to go race the Pammy right
• 26:32
  now, I'd be thinking like, yeah, those first like 5 miles you can
• 26:37
  go like, you know, sub 7, you know, pretty comfortably on
• 26:41
  Lincoln Woods. Yeah.
• 26:42
  And then just up to Bond Cliff is pretty fast and, you know, it
• 26:47
  just cruise all the way to Garfield Ridge.
• 26:49
  Yeah. But then it's all about like,
• 26:51
  can you finish strong? Well, that's the thing, yeah.
• 26:53
  Everyone who goes counterclockwise, like, has
• 26:54
  like, either bonking stories, like running out of water
• 26:57
  because, yeah, you're right. You get up to bond, like, pretty
• 26:59
  easily. And you're like, oh, man, I'm
• 27:00
  out here. I'm flying.
• 27:01
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just everything else
• 27:04
  hits you. Yeah, definitely.
• 27:07
  Nice, nice. So so you got the penny done.
• 27:09
  Is that is that that's four out of eight.
• 27:11
  That was 55 out of eight. OK, Next up.
• 27:14
  Next was what was it? Don't freak out, I forget things
• 27:22
  all the time on this podcast. All the time.
• 27:25
  So. You can just make one up, just
• 27:27
  say whatever one that we. Yeah, so, well, I had Mahoussic
• 27:31
  and Cranberry left. Those are the last two I had.
• 27:34
  Yeah. So Devil's Saranac.
• 27:36
  Oh my gosh. Oh, great range, great range.
• 27:39
  My favorite one. How how did I forget the great
• 27:41
  range? Great range it was #6.
• 27:45
  OK, Yeah. So great range.
• 27:49
  I did with Will, Will Morris, and the same guy did the Saranac
• 27:54
  with. OK, that was that one I was
• 28:00
  actually nervous going into. Yeah.
• 28:02
  Because it is so technical. And I've said it once and I'll
• 28:05
  like, I'll say it again, the great range, in my opinion, has
• 28:08
  the potential to be the most dangerous on the list.
• 28:11
  OK. I think it is the most technical
• 28:14
  out of all of them. Yeah.
• 28:15
  And the the most raw, for sure. Yeah.
• 28:18
  And it'll kick you in the teeth if you're not ready for it.
• 28:20
  Yeah, you know. I think I've heard it described
• 28:24
  as like it's like an OCR yeah, course out there, right.
• 28:28
  Is that does that hold true? That would, I would agree with
• 28:31
  that, yeah. It is like you're duck diving
• 28:35
  and, you know, jumping roots, climbing cliffs, you know,
• 28:39
  repel, like dropping down on like chains.
• 28:42
  Yeah. And actually, so the first time
• 28:45
  I tried it, which was in that winter, that winter time, like I
• 28:51
  didn't know what I was getting into and I, I thought it was
• 28:53
  going to be like, you know, the stuff here and like the stuff in
• 28:56
  or like devil's path kind of vibe, you know, like, yeah,
• 29:00
  manageable. You know, it's not going to be
• 29:02
  worse than like any of the 4000 footers, any of the other 4000
• 29:05
  footers. I was so wrong.
• 29:08
  That trail is so gnarly. So we got like up to like the
• 29:14
  Saddleback Cliffs and you're like, I mean, Gothics too.
• 29:18
  Gothics and Saddleback together. There's two areas where you
• 29:22
  really got to like navigate some really steep slabby, you know,
• 29:26
  terrain. And like, in the winter, it was
• 29:30
  like, icy. And actually on Saddleback, on
• 29:35
  those cliffs, I took a pretty big fall, probably about 50 or
• 29:40
  60 feet. Wow.
• 29:41
  Not vertically, but like, tumbling.
• 29:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:44
  Long. And it's like, you know, like
• 29:46
  steep ledge drops, you know, pretty gnarly.
• 29:50
  And luckily I landed in like, some fat powder at the bottom.
• 29:55
  OK, which is good. Yeah.
• 29:56
  Yeah, yeah. If I didn't do that, you know, I
• 29:59
  would have been cooked. Yeah.
• 30:00
  You know, I would have absolutely gotten seriously
• 30:03
  injured or maybe even like, worse.
• 30:05
  Yeah. And also like, it was totally
• 30:10
  super deep powder that day and unbroken.
• 30:13
  Like no one was doing it. And it we were already like, I'm
• 30:18
  going to say like 8 hours in when that happened and it was
• 30:22
  starting to get dark. Like not dark, but it was
• 30:27
  getting late. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:28
  Turning over in the day. Yeah, turning.
• 30:29
  Over. And we, you know, we were making
• 30:31
  our way through. We were like, it's fine if we're
• 30:33
  hiking in the dark and but yeah, after that we're like, all
• 30:38
  right, we should we should get out of here like this.
• 30:41
  Yeah. We need to get out of here.
• 30:42
  Yeah. So was that it?
• 30:43
  You did not finish that though. We didn't finish it, but, you
• 30:46
  know, actually when you're in that cold between Saddleback and
• 30:49
  Basin, there's no, there's no way out except to go back over
• 30:52
  Saddleback or over Basin. Yeah, so and Basin, too is like
• 30:56
  gnarly in itself, like those mountains in a row are like
• 30:59
  pretty, pretty challenging. So we we like trudged over Basin
• 31:04
  has its own set of like ledges and cliffs and whatever and and
• 31:11
  we ended up taking this trail called Shory Shortcut.
• 31:13
  OK, shory shortcut. Shory shortcut.
• 31:16
  Is that an off the not on maps trail?
• 31:18
  It sounds like maybe it. Is on maps.
• 31:20
  OK? OK, it's not a.
• 31:21
  Shortcut. That's the problem.
• 31:23
  There you go, that's the. It actually goes up.
• 31:27
  So you're like, OK, it's a shortcut.
• 31:29
  It goes back down to the valley. It goes over like a sub peak of
• 31:33
  basin, Yeah. And then down into the valley,
• 31:35
  Yeah. So it's like almost not even
• 31:38
  that much better than just taking the stand, yeah.
• 31:41
  Oh man. But yeah, so.
• 31:43
  So what was the what's the the time for the Ultra 8 for that
• 31:47
  one for? The great range, so in the
• 31:49
  winter it's 14 hours as well. 14.
• 31:51
  And then 10 hours in the summer. Okay, yeah.
• 31:54
  And that's a harder cut off for sure than Devil's Path and
• 31:58
  Prezi. Gotcha.
• 31:59
  For sure. Yeah.
• 32:00
  So, so after that, are you thinking like, man, these winter
• 32:04
  ones are going to be tough? Were you, did you kind of like
• 32:06
  maybe give up a little bit or were you you?
• 32:08
  Did I? Did I didn't want to do them in
• 32:10
  the winter? OK.
• 32:11
  Thomas convinced. Me.
• 32:12
  Yeah. Yeah, he saved.
• 32:13
  He's very convincing, by the way.
• 32:16
  But yeah, No, no, I was like, I was scarred from that.
• 32:20
  Yeah. I didn't press.
• 32:21
  Plus the frostbite. I mean, we were out there for
• 32:23
  like 18 hours. That was the longest day by far
• 32:25
  I'd done at that point. Yeah.
• 32:27
  And. 18 hours, a long effort. Yeah, yeah, it was freezing cold
• 32:31
  too. Like all my stuff was frozen.
• 32:33
  Like that was the first time I really got a taste of like, it
• 32:36
  was like you're oh, shoot moment.
• 32:38
  Yeah, yeah. That people, some people don't
• 32:40
  have. And you know, you, you can tell
• 32:42
  by their decisions they make. Yeah.
• 32:45
  You know, have you had like a holy crap moment?
• 32:48
  Like that was serious? Yeah, yeah, there are some, some
• 32:51
  winters where I get up wherever and I haven't had any, like I
• 32:54
  haven't done any of these crazy missions.
• 32:56
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I definitely, I usually go
• 32:58
  out most weekends, like no matter the weather, just like
• 33:01
  picking peaks kind of good. But when you get up there and
• 33:03
  you feel that cold of -20 negative 30 wind chill, you're
• 33:06
  like, I have no control out here, you know what I mean?
• 33:09
  You just have to make good decisions.
• 33:11
  Absolutely Is the biggest thing. Absolutely, yeah.
• 33:13
  Especially above tree line, like anything above tree line or
• 33:15
  remote, like where you're not seeing people, it's for real.
• 33:18
  Yeah, yeah. It's serious.
• 33:19
  I mean, especially if you're solo, too.
• 33:21
  Yeah, you lose your finger is, you know, it's super hard to get
• 33:24
  them back. Yeah, you know, especially like
• 33:26
  if you don't have someone else to help you take out hand
• 33:29
  warmers or whatever. Yeah, if you're out there by
• 33:32
  yourself and your fingers go, it's like, Oh my gosh.
• 33:35
  And it goes quick. It does if you get anything wet
• 33:38
  that you were planning on not being wet, like it can be
• 33:40
  minutes, but you know what I mean, so.
• 33:41
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 33:44
  OK. So how did the convincing or
• 33:45
  let's finish up the summer ones. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:47
  So we have what, one more summer one?
• 33:49
  Yeah, so, well, the Great Range in the summer was fine.
• 33:53
  I was scared. I was nervous about it because
• 33:55
  of the cliffs and stuff. Yeah, it went fine and then.
• 33:58
  Mohusic. Mohusic was next.
• 34:00
  That one was hard, but it was fine, too.
• 34:02
  Yeah. I mean, that was, I think the
• 34:04
  hardest one for me. Mohusic, Mohusic.
• 34:07
  Yeah, I tried to vlog it. I thought it was going to be
• 34:10
  easier than it than it was. I mean, I know they say it's the
• 34:12
  hardest, but none of them up to that point in the summer were
• 34:15
  too bad. Yeah, for me.
• 34:17
  So I was like, OK, so I was like taking my time, like vlogging
• 34:21
  the notch. And before I realized it, I'm
• 34:24
  like, you know, I'm like running low on time.
• 34:26
  Yeah. So I had to push it but.
• 34:28
  Yeah, and I, I've heard that one's pretty gnarly, like in the
• 34:30
  middle. It's kind of sounds like OCREA,
• 34:33
  little bit like cliffs and roots and.
• 34:35
  Yeah, the notch, the music notch.
• 34:37
  Yeah, yeah. The notch.
• 34:39
  Yeah. And it just, it's kind of
• 34:41
  relentless, like it just doesn't stop going up and down.
• 34:44
  Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's, you know,
• 34:49
  it's, it's standard I'd say for out here.
• 34:53
  I actually met Amber on that trail too when I was doing that.
• 34:56
  OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:58
  Nice. And then?
• 35:00
  For anyone who's listening, Amber Constance doing laughs
• 35:03
  Outback right now. Yeah, she's up up there
• 35:06
  somewhere. Yeah.
• 35:08
  So, yeah. So then the last one was the
• 35:10
  cranberry, OK. And that one I've actually was
• 35:12
  kind of worried about because that's a 50 Miller.
• 35:15
  It's just a flat 50 Miller, right?
• 35:17
  It's flat, and I mean, it's a little hilly, but flat relative
• 35:21
  to the other ones. And.
• 35:23
  But the big thing about that one is the water, the water, the
• 35:26
  Beavers, the box, you know, OK. That's like what it's known for.
• 35:30
  Yeah. And so that one was, yeah, you
• 35:34
  get wet feet. Yeah.
• 35:35
  That one took me two tries because I actually took a wrong
• 35:38
  turn the 1st. Time.
• 35:39
  Oh, in the summer. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:40
  It was like, how do you even do that?
• 35:41
  Like you feel like such a. It happened dude, I will take
• 35:45
  wrong turns all the times if I'm doing some sort of effort or
• 35:48
  like route, new route or something.
• 35:49
  I would just put it on my watch now just to have it.
• 35:52
  I, I, yeah, after that I started doing that.
• 35:55
  Yeah. You know what happened was I I
• 35:56
  followed like a sideshow that looped me back somewhere else on
• 36:00
  the like I was on the main trail, took a side trail that
• 36:03
  looped me back to the main trail.
• 36:05
  Then I started going the wrong way like that.
• 36:07
  I'd already come. From Oh no, but it didn't.
• 36:09
  Realize like this, Yeah, you don't realize like there's no,
• 36:12
  there's no like landmarks. Yeah, and that's it.
• 36:15
  So when you realize that you just have like stomach, like
• 36:17
  dropped like what? I did because I was being
• 36:21
  supported by his two guys on a canoe.
• 36:24
  They were out there like having a good time on the canoe and
• 36:28
  they were going to meet me and I was like, I found.
• 36:31
  Luckily I found a spot with service.
• 36:33
  I'm like guys, like I messed up bad.
• 36:35
  Like I am where I met you before.
• 36:38
  Oh no. Because I'm, I recognize the the
• 36:40
  spot that I met them. Yeah.
• 36:41
  And I'm like wait shouldn't I was here like 4 hours ago?
• 36:46
  They're just paddled miles away. Yeah, and they're like on the
• 36:49
  other side of the lake, like where I was supposed to meet
• 36:52
  them next. Did they come out and support
• 36:53
  you the next go or they were like, I don't know this guy I.
• 36:56
  Didn't ask him to. I felt bad, felt bad.
• 36:58
  So I went back a week later, though, because I was really
• 37:00
  mad, you know? And even once I was in that
• 37:02
  spot, I still had to walk out, which was like another 15 miles.
• 37:07
  Yeah. So I ended up doing like almost
• 37:09
  over 40 miles. That day, same same.
• 37:12
  You didn't get any short. Then, Oh yeah, I went back a
• 37:15
  week later and just did it solo and and got it done.
• 37:20
  And also Jason Pago, I don't know if you know him.
• 37:22
  He's. I've seen the name.
• 37:23
  Good. He's a really good at her on
• 37:25
  deck runner. Really big big runner up there.
• 37:29
  Yeah, he ran the FKT that same day.
• 37:31
  Wow, did you see him? I did see him.
• 37:32
  He ran right by me, like I was standing still.
• 37:36
  He was flying. Yeah.
• 37:37
  It took me like 12 hours to do it and I think he took like just
• 37:41
  under 8 hours. Wow.
• 37:42
  So yeah, he's super strong. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 37:49
  When you see those guys on trails like ripping, you're
• 37:51
  like, yeah, that's crazy. But I mean, I don't know, 4
• 37:55
  hours. I feel like if you if you were
• 37:56
  giving it a quick go, yeah, I bet you're not that far off
• 37:59
  from. Now.
• 37:59
  Now I feel like I'd be able to do all of them a lot faster.
• 38:02
  Yeah. Back then I was like, wow, yeah,
• 38:04
  that's really fast, yeah. OK, So what was the hardest
• 38:09
  summer one do you think? Great range.
• 38:12
  I think the Mahusic was harder. Mahusic yeah.
• 38:15
  Is that one have the longest cut off?
• 38:18
  That one, yeah. 12 hours, 12. OK, yeah.
• 38:20
  Or actually cranberry has the longest in the summer 13.
• 38:23
  Cranberry 13. OK, OK, OK, so we got one of the
• 38:27
  winter stories, but let's get into some of these.
• 38:29
  Like winter. Yeah, these war stories.
• 38:32
  I'm sure. How did you get Cokes back into?
• 38:34
  No, you're going to do the the winter ones.
• 38:36
  What was the Yeah. The message.
• 38:39
  Thomas says you can do it. See, yeah, Thomas was just like
• 38:42
  really convincing me because he met, well, he was.
• 38:47
  I met him on the like, Facebook group with Illustrate.
• 38:50
  I saw he did the winter TCT and I was like, Dang, that's pretty,
• 38:55
  you know, here's another like, strong guy that's going for like
• 39:00
  some of these in the winter and like the thought of maybe doing
• 39:03
  it in the winter, like trying. Yeah, cross my mind.
• 39:06
  But I I needed something to get me over the edge.
• 39:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Thomas was that and I
• 39:13
  never met him in person. And I know that's not like not
• 39:17
  the best idea necessarily to go out for like one of these winter
• 39:20
  ultras with someone you don't really know.
• 39:23
  You got to, you got to know that they're up for it as well,
• 39:26
  hopefully. And he had good credentials.
• 39:28
  Yeah. Yeah, and he's pretty
• 39:31
  experienced with the winter stuff.
• 39:32
  Like he's been doing it longer than I have even.
• 39:35
  Yeah. So, you know, and it, it went
• 39:38
  well. I mean, we were going slow and
• 39:40
  steady. Yeah.
• 39:41
  And yeah, like I said before, like I did Bonk because I didn't
• 39:45
  eat nearly enough. Yeah.
• 39:47
  Yeah. But it was fine.
• 39:48
  Like we finished it and with like 5 minutes to spare.
• 39:52
  Wow. And that is so.
• 39:54
  Thomas loves to do that. He's very big on the planning.
• 39:57
  Yeah. And he so he planned the whole
• 39:58
  thing out, right. He's got all these Excel sheets,
• 40:01
  everything down. Loving it.
• 40:03
  Yeah Yeah. And.
• 40:05
  So he like, is like, I'm going to do this and make it as easy
• 40:08
  as I can for myself. Yeah, OK.
• 40:11
  I just go smooth and like, everything's going to be timed
• 40:13
  out and we're going to roll in just in time.
• 40:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:16
  So that was like. Nice.
• 40:18
  So it worked. We it works, yeah.
• 40:20
  And I was just going along with whatever he was going to do so.
• 40:23
  No, that's awesome. When I do race efforts, I have a
• 40:26
  big detailed excel, yeah, and I've had a pretty good track
• 40:29
  record like give it, handing it off to crew so.
• 40:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to compare excel
• 40:33
  sheets. Oh, yeah, Yeah, you guys can and
• 40:35
  could, could check, could like do that, Yeah.
• 40:40
  So do you think that so you guys coming in 5 minutes?
• 40:43
  I mean, I, you know, this was the plan to do it easier.
• 40:46
  Do you think the winter cut off times are harder?
• 40:49
  Like they're longer, but are they still harder because it's
• 40:52
  winter? Yeah.
• 40:53
  Or do you just need good conditions?
• 40:55
  Like it's a very condition dependent obviously.
• 40:57
  Definitely completely dependent on how stiff the ground is,
• 41:03
  Yeah. But I'm going to say they're
• 41:04
  either way way easier or way, way harder.
• 41:07
  OK, OK. So like it's like completely
• 41:10
  dependent on are you breaking trail or like are you on like a
• 41:15
  highway, you know, and if if you're on a highway like the
• 41:18
  winter cut off times are like no problem.
• 41:20
  Like you hike it, you know, be fine.
• 41:23
  So. You don't have to worry about
• 41:24
  rocks or anything. You just fly over it.
• 41:25
  Yeah. Is there, I'm trying to think,
• 41:29
  is there like a strategy, like are some of some of the ones
• 41:32
  earlier in the season? I guess what is winter, you
• 41:36
  know, is, is there a definition for winter?
• 41:38
  Because like there could be obviously a little bit of snow
• 41:40
  versus like, you know, yeah, if you don't have snow in the
• 41:44
  Prezis up high or you have it up high, but you don't for like
• 41:47
  90%, like what, what? How does that look?
• 41:49
  Right. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a
• 41:51
  big thing. So for this the rules are the
• 41:54
  official winter season, so December 21st to March 21st or.
• 41:59
  Whatever. And yeah, like exactly, like you
• 42:03
  could have a, you could go in like theoretically like early
• 42:06
  season, yeah, on a low snow year.
• 42:09
  Yeah. And do it while it's clear,
• 42:10
  Yeah. Or like on some of the lower
• 42:12
  elevations at the very end of the season.
• 42:15
  And, and like if it hasn't been super snowy that year, you might
• 42:19
  be doing it while it's clear in March.
• 42:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So but yeah, it's, it's
• 42:25
  definitely, definitely interesting to look at that.
• 42:29
  And like I think even like on the Prezi FKT, like it's like
• 42:33
  winter conditions, like they call it that.
• 42:35
  Well, there was a big back in the day when Ben Thompson ran
• 42:38
  that, there was a big kind of like thing about him running it
• 42:42
  on like easier conditions because like he must have got a
• 42:45
  perfect day and just flew, right.
• 42:46
  So I think they flagged it and moved it to winter conditions.
• 42:49
  Yeah. And that's how they call it now.
• 42:51
  Yeah, exactly. So it's yeah, like, yeah, you're
• 42:56
  right. I mean, you could be doing it
• 42:57
  like one year on like December 21st and there's no snow, and
• 43:02
  then the next year it's like, you know, 3 feet of powder.
• 43:05
  What do you think is the spirit for this?
• 43:07
  Do you think it's in spirit to wait for snow for these roads
• 43:10
  or, you know, have you had any conversations with people doing
• 43:13
  it? What does Thomas think to like
• 43:14
  It seems like he. He I, I don't think he, for him,
• 43:19
  I think it's all about like the conditions, especially like
• 43:22
  he's, he doesn't mind like if it's going out, if it's low
• 43:25
  snow, Yeah. And getting it like, and for me
• 43:28
  too, I think that's part of the game, you know, you got to watch
• 43:31
  it. Yeah, I do.
• 43:34
  I in on one hand, like, yeah, like it.
• 43:37
  It doesn't truly feel like a winter effort if there's no
• 43:40
  snow. Yeah, but don't hate the player
• 43:42
  hate. Hate the game the.
• 43:43
  Player hate the game. Yeah, exactly.
• 43:45
  If the rules are very specific. Exactly.
• 43:47
  Yeah, yeah. So, OK, yeah.
• 43:50
  And I mean for this in particular where you're going
• 43:53
  for the time, like, you know, it makes sense to to, you know,
• 44:00
  wait out for good conditions, you know, and in some sense,
• 44:05
  like a highway is even easier than no snow.
• 44:07
  Yeah. So here's my watch going again.
• 44:09
  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, like, it's, I don't
• 44:13
  know, I I do appreciate there being snow.
• 44:16
  It feels like more of a winter effort.
• 44:18
  Yeah, you'll take good conditions.
• 44:20
  My TCT was the only one that wasn't like completely, you
• 44:25
  know, true winner. I would say like, yeah, TCTI did
• 44:28
  late season and it was almost snow free.
• 44:32
  Not like completely, but pretty, pretty close.
• 44:35
  Standing there close, there was some snow on the ground, but
• 44:38
  yeah. Yeah.
• 44:39
  OK. So, so when you when you finish
• 44:44
  the great range traverse, Yeah. What was the next like?
• 44:48
  What was the plan? Did you have to get coaxed into
• 44:51
  like, we got to do another one and we're like, all right, I'm
• 44:53
  going to try to get these eights and what was that next one?
• 44:56
  How many did you do that winter? So I did five, the first one,
• 44:59
  OK. Five.
• 44:59
  The first one so. Devil's Path was first, and then
• 45:02
  the second one was the Saranac Six.
• 45:04
  Yeah. And that one was another good,
• 45:09
  good one to start with for the winter.
• 45:11
  Because it's easy to bail. Yeah.
• 45:12
  I was just. Yeah.
• 45:13
  You know, 5 shorter hikes. Yeah.
• 45:16
  If you need to bail, you have the car there.
• 45:17
  Yeah, but that's always broken out, too, it seems like.
• 45:20
  OK, nice. Those mountains get.
• 45:21
  Really. They're really popular.
• 45:23
  Yeah. And so that one actually wasn't
• 45:25
  too bad. We kind of kind of crushed that.
• 45:29
  It was me and my buddy Solo. His name is Solo.
• 45:31
  Oh, nothing, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:33
  And then Jason actually joined us for the end of it, too.
• 45:36
  So it's kind of a party. Nice, that's fun.
• 45:39
  Yeah. So it was a good time, yeah.
• 45:41
  So now you're like, all right, maybe I can do all these.
• 45:43
  Yeah. So I'm starting to think like,
• 45:44
  yeah, maybe maybe like I should start focusing on this.
• 45:49
  But I had a couple fail, failed attempts.
• 45:52
  Yeah. That winter, like the TCT, no
• 45:55
  one's going out there, you know, So I tried to to do that one
• 46:00
  and, you know, just going so slow, like, just deep powder.
• 46:05
  Yeah. And like, there is no way I was
• 46:07
  going to get the time. Like, just trudging through that
• 46:09
  powder is so brutal. Yeah.
• 46:12
  Were you on in snowshoes? Or not.
• 46:13
  Oh yeah, yeah. You got to wear them.
• 46:14
  Snowshoes. I we didn't do snowshoes for
• 46:16
  devils. We were in snowshoes for
• 46:18
  Saranac. Yeah, and a bat or on decks.
• 46:21
  They're very strict on the snowshoes there.
• 46:22
  Gotcha. So, oh, are they?
• 46:24
  Yeah, I think I, I think I maybe heard that a little bit.
• 46:26
  Yeah, yeah. And I'm, I do more stuff in the
• 46:28
  decks, honestly, yeah than the whites.
• 46:31
  So I'm, I'm used to it. But yeah, like, you know, a lot
• 46:36
  of people, they don't like the snowshoes, the snowshoe rules
• 46:39
  because they want to RIP. Yeah.
• 46:40
  Yeah. Like if you want to RIP, it's
• 46:41
  hard to do so in snowshoes. Yeah, you can.
• 46:44
  Get the running snowshoes, but it's just not, you know, yeah,
• 46:46
  it's kind of it can be fun a couple times, but I I if I go no
• 46:49
  snowshoes. I feel like people up around
• 46:51
  here, yeah, they try to not bring snowshoes if you can, and
• 46:54
  obviously not like if you're posting on a trail, it's just
• 46:57
  way harder for. You right, right.
• 46:59
  But yeah, if it's if it's like firm.
• 47:02
  Yeah, yeah. If it's, if it's like ice, it's
• 47:04
  like, all right, why don't I wear spikes, you know?
• 47:06
  Yeah, Yeah. But they still want you to wear
• 47:07
  snowshoes as long as there's 8 inches, you know, And it's, it's
• 47:11
  serious. Like you'll get, you'll get
• 47:12
  yelled at. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:13
  Is it, is it people in, is it hikers enforcing it or is it
• 47:16
  like patrol? Both.
• 47:18
  Yeah, yeah. Fine, actually a lot of money.
• 47:20
  I know, I heard. Like it's, yeah, it's, I mean,
• 47:23
  I, I don't have a problem with it.
• 47:25
  I like snowshoes. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Snowshoe enjoyer. Yeah, don't.
• 47:28
  Don't. Yeah, don't.
• 47:30
  What is that? What is that?
• 47:31
  That word? Don't admit to a crime right
• 47:35
  now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:36
  Anyway, whatever. Right, right.
• 47:38
  Yeah. OK, So what were the what were
• 47:42
  the other ones that that winter? So and then, yeah, so I didn't
• 47:46
  do anything for a while. Like midwinter.
• 47:48
  Midwinter is not good. Not good.
• 47:50
  We've determined that midwinter, none of them go.
• 47:52
  Too much snow. Really.
• 47:54
  But the last like week or two weeks of winter, I went out and
• 47:59
  did 3. So I did the TCT or No, no, the
• 48:05
  first one was the the great range.
• 48:07
  OK, Range. So at that point I'd done some
• 48:11
  more Recon in the in the Dax and I actually called up Amber.
• 48:17
  Yeah. And I was like, hey, like you
• 48:20
  want to go do the great range? She was just coming off a Prezi.
• 48:22
  Yeah. And she was like, well, I'm
• 48:26
  coming off a Prezi right now, but I'm not doing anything
• 48:29
  tomorrow. So.
• 48:31
  Like maybe. And I'm like, well, I mean, I'm
• 48:36
  going to go do it. So you want to join like.
• 48:38
  Yeah, yeah, she's like, all right, sounds good.
• 48:40
  That's not convincing. There you go.
• 48:41
  So she came and did the great range and yeah, that was
• 48:47
  technical, yeah, but it was a lot better than the first winter
• 48:51
  try. Nice, so you got the finish?
• 48:53
  Got the finish. Were you under?
• 48:54
  What was the winter time for that 14?
• 48:56
  14 Yep. So would you do you remember
• 48:58
  what you finished in? For that we were.
• 48:59
  Like 13, I think. Nice.
• 49:01
  And that was, yeah, it was. There's a lot of snow still.
• 49:04
  Yeah. And it was like, March, late
• 49:06
  March. But, you know, a lot of the
• 49:08
  trail was like, all the trees, Like, the snow is above the
• 49:11
  trees. Yeah.
• 49:12
  So it turns into, like, pure, like, almost snow fields.
• 49:16
  Yeah. And like, there is some steep
• 49:20
  spots on there. We were actually, like, joking
• 49:23
  about it. Like, you know, Amber, like,
• 49:26
  kicked my ass at the end because, like, she has
• 49:29
  definitely more endurance than me.
• 49:31
  But then she's like, you know, she's doesn't do great with like
• 49:35
  the exposure. And she was like freaking out a
• 49:38
  couple times, like on the ledges and like, yeah.
• 49:42
  So like, yeah, definitely got each other through that one,
• 49:46
  yeah. Seems like your powers came
• 49:48
  together, yeah. Good team effort, yeah.
• 49:51
  And then the next one was the Prezi.
• 49:54
  Prezi, Yeah. And that one was super easy.
• 49:56
  Yeah, it was a good day. And yeah, went out.
• 49:59
  Prezi gets stomped out too. Forget.
• 50:00
  Stomped. Yeah.
• 50:01
  Like, we were like, you know, that was 14 hour cut off.
• 50:04
  Yeah. And we just had a good day.
• 50:07
  And there was tons of people. Yeah.
• 50:09
  And literally just, like, walked it, you know, talked to
• 50:12
  everyone. And we still were like 12 hours.
• 50:15
  Yeah. It was like.
• 50:16
  Yeah, yeah. You know, super chill.
• 50:19
  Yeah, that's cool. And.
• 50:21
  TCT was the last one. TCT and you said that one was
• 50:23
  like low snow. That was low snow, Yeah.
• 50:25
  There was some snow in the, like the northern side.
• 50:29
  So like, you know, it's lower elevation, so it melts out.
• 50:34
  And so like the South side was all like dry pretty much.
• 50:39
  But then the northern side would still have like a little bit of
• 50:41
  rotten snow that that I was running through.
• 50:45
  And I did that one, actually the first bit I did with Doug
• 50:48
  Duncan, who who's the creator of the old tree, OK.
• 50:51
  So that's cool, yeah. How did you meet him?
• 50:53
  Did you just from some or whatever getting?
• 50:56
  Yeah, he reached out to me OK when he saw it, when I did the
• 50:59
  first, the normal Sky runner. Yeah, nice.
• 51:02
  And yeah, he was super stoked that I was, I was going to try
• 51:04
  and go for winter. Yeah.
• 51:07
  So, yeah. So that was it.
• 51:09
  And like TCT was with Doug the Prezi, I did with another
• 51:14
  friend, Iris. Yeah.
• 51:15
  So yeah, we it was like a lot of fun that last those last two
• 51:19
  weeks. Nice.
• 51:20
  Had some good fun. And then you were like, all
• 51:22
  right, next winter I'm I'm going to, I'm going to finish it.
• 51:24
  Out next winter, I'm like, yeah, the first week I'm going to go
• 51:26
  out and do everything. OK, was and this was this
• 51:29
  winter. The yes this this.
• 51:31
  Winter. So tell us about this winter,
• 51:34
  because when did you actually finish?
• 51:36
  I literally finished like a couple weeks.
• 51:39
  In March, Yeah. In March?
• 51:40
  In March, yeah. OK.
• 51:41
  So it didn't go the first couple of weeks.
• 51:44
  Yeah. So the first day of winter, we
• 51:48
  were going to do the music. Yeah.
• 51:50
  Because that's the one that everyone was like, warning me
• 51:53
  about. Yeah.
• 51:54
  And so Thomas and I, we like, kind of join forces.
• 51:58
  We went out on a scoping mission the day before we went through
• 52:01
  the notch on like the like Success Pond Rd. and we went up
• 52:06
  to old spec and then down to just scope it out, see what it
• 52:10
  was like. And to be honest, like it was it
• 52:13
  was pretty OK. Like, gosh, is definitely like,
• 52:17
  you know, you could in theory fall into a crevasse and get
• 52:20
  stuck. Yeah, but you have to be like
• 52:23
  pretty not careful. Yeah, pretty reckless.
• 52:25
  Yeah, pretty reckless, yeah. And you've been there before
• 52:28
  now. Yeah, I've been there a couple
• 52:29
  Times Now, and, you know, so the only thing about it was that it
• 52:33
  was super icy. There wasn't too much snow,
• 52:37
  actually. We were breaking a bit, but it
• 52:40
  was all right. Yeah.
• 52:43
  And the so the next day we're we're going to do it right.
• 52:48
  We're actually that night we were sitting in the hot tub at
• 52:50
  the motel, you know, discussing and scheming.
• 52:56
  And we're just looking at the mountain forecast.
• 52:59
  Also, we had Chris Packet. So Chris Walken, he went out and
• 53:02
  he went like South on it. Yeah.
• 53:04
  He was like scoping it out for us too.
• 53:06
  And he said like, yeah, it's good.
• 53:08
  Like, I see. But it's doable.
• 53:10
  Yeah. So but this whole day, the temps
• 53:13
  are just dropping down. Like at first it was like -10
• 53:17
  wind chill -20 wind chill -30 wind chill -40 wind chill.
• 53:22
  And we're like, maybe we, like, shouldn't do this.
• 53:25
  Yeah, you know, because it's like a 20 hour day.
• 53:27
  Yeah. Like that's significant, you
• 53:30
  know? Yeah, when you see that dark red
• 53:32
  on mountain forecast, I, I, yeah, you start getting scared.
• 53:36
  Definitely start getting scared. So, you know, it was a hot tub
• 53:40
  decision, that man, to not do that.
• 53:43
  Yeah. Smart.
• 53:44
  Probably smart. Probably smart.
• 53:46
  But were you thinking like, if it's good now?
• 53:47
  Like we just need good weather and we still got to go RIP.
• 53:50
  Yeah, I was like, do you maybe we could come back and do it.
• 53:54
  But like our schedules were in aligning.
• 53:55
  Like I was going down to New York City to see my mom for like
• 53:59
  the New Year's and or for like Christmas and like he was going
• 54:04
  to see his family and bought her in like New York, I think.
• 54:08
  And there was some beautiful looking days, but of course they
• 54:10
  were the days we were. Gone.
• 54:12
  We're gone, Yeah. Yeah, so, but no.
• 54:15
  So I came up the next week and was going to and was going to do
• 54:21
  the Pammy instead. Yeah, so we went or I went and
• 54:26
  did the Pammy that next week and that was with Chris, Chris
• 54:33
  packet walking. He did the first half with me.
• 54:35
  Yeah. And then Thomas did like most of
• 54:38
  the second-half with me. Like he met up.
• 54:40
  We met up at like Garfield nice. Chris went, Chris left because
• 54:44
  he had to be somewhere and Thomas joins.
• 54:47
  Thomas also helped to break out part of it nice, which was
• 54:50
  amazing. Yeah, that was we were breaking
• 54:53
  trail on the family. Yeah, when are winter penmies
• 54:56
  don't happen too much? Yeah, No, it was.
• 54:58
  It was pretty serious. Like it was, it was tough.
• 55:01
  Yeah. Chris was flying too, Like I
• 55:03
  was. I just got some new boots.
• 55:06
  Yeah. And they're stiff, like heavy,
• 55:08
  like Oboe's bridges, super warm. And like I was carrying this
• 55:12
  heavy pack, like huge pack. I'm trying to follow Chris and
• 55:15
  he's like jogging up the Osseo. I'm like, Oh my gosh, jogging
• 55:19
  across the Ridge. He was moving quick.
• 55:22
  Yeah. And like, I was, I was like,
• 55:25
  Dang. But he put.
• 55:26
  Caffeine gave me some caffeine. Yeah, I need some caffeine.
• 55:29
  But he did put me in a good spot to finish it on time.
• 55:32
  And then, you know, with Thomas, Thomas and I were like breaking
• 55:35
  out the rest of the trail. So like, it was a bit slower.
• 55:39
  And and then actually Thomas, I left Thomas on bonds around the
• 55:44
  bond on Bond Cliff and went in like jogged out because that was
• 55:48
  broken. Yeah.
• 55:50
  And then I met Amber like 54 miles in or so nice and we like
• 55:55
  ran out. Finished it up.
• 55:57
  And then Thomas came out. Yeah, nice to get waited for
• 55:59
  him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good friend.
• 56:01
  Yeah, yeah. Well, we we had to make sure he
• 56:03
  got. It.
• 56:03
  Yeah, yeah. And he was, he'd done the winner
• 56:07
  Penny before, so he wasn't like trying to deal with me that.
• 56:10
  Day. Yeah, yeah, he.
• 56:10
  Was helping out, yeah, which was greatly appreciated.
• 56:13
  Yeah. So what were the, what were the
• 56:14
  winner? Penny time?
• 56:16
  Was it 14? It's 15. 15 and.
• 56:19
  That was 1445. Wow, that.
• 56:22
  Day OK, so cut it a little close, yeah, but it wasn't like
• 56:25
  great. It was like definitely not super
• 56:28
  fast. Yeah, like it gets.
• 56:29
  Yeah, it gets fast. Like it's similar to the Prezi,
• 56:32
  like there are a lot of people that get out there, but it's
• 56:34
  just a couple sections. Yeah.
• 56:35
  Garfield Ridge and, you know, has anyone been there?
• 56:38
  What or what not? Sure.
• 56:40
  Yeah. So, I mean, thankfully, you
• 56:43
  know, with Chris and Thomas together, it was, it was fine.
• 56:47
  Yeah, so then you got one left. So 2 left, two left and.
• 56:52
  Cranberry Mahoussic. Oh yeah, you didn't go to the
• 56:54
  Mahoussic. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
• 56:56
  So we kept saying, like every weekend we were going to try and
• 57:00
  do like the Mahoussic or the Cranberry, like Thomas and I, we
• 57:03
  were talking about it, but every weekend was just bad.
• 57:06
  Yeah. And we went out.
• 57:07
  It was like just so much snow and so cold.
• 57:10
  Yeah. And also I was like helping out
• 57:13
  a lot with like Amber's project. So I was up here a lot And and
• 57:18
  like, I would say we went out, we tried to do the, we tried to
• 57:24
  do the cranberry once in like mid January.
• 57:28
  Yeah. And it was so bad.
• 57:30
  Like there's so much powder. We made it like 10 miles before
• 57:34
  we turned around. Yeah, like it was.
• 57:35
  It was like this is not going to.
• 57:37
  Happen. No way.
• 57:39
  And yeah, so that was kind of a shame, but it kind of like got
• 57:43
  me out of the mindset of doing these, you know?
• 57:45
  Yeah, because this winter was tough.
• 57:47
  It was tough. There was not a lot of good
• 57:49
  weekends to RIP like up in the waist, at least for me.
• 57:51
  Like it was kind of disappointing.
• 57:52
  I don't know it it was. It was hard, yeah.
• 57:56
  So yeah. So the so you're kind of like, I
• 57:59
  don't know, but then. I kind of given up on it.
• 58:01
  And also I was like skiing, you know, the skier, too.
• 58:04
  Yeah, yeah. And I was kind of like, yeah,
• 58:07
  maybe I'll just ski the rest of the year.
• 58:11
  And Thomas convinced me to come back.
• 58:14
  This guy, alligator blood dude, he loves it.
• 58:17
  Dude, you got to come do the Mahoussa, you know, like it was
• 58:20
  like the last week or last two weeks.
• 58:22
  Yeah. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, dude,
• 58:25
  like I really don't want to. I really don't want to like it.
• 58:29
  It was like the last thing I wanted to do.
• 58:31
  It's like the Mahoussa Traverse. And so he did convince me.
• 58:40
  And what really convinced me, too, is like he reached out to
• 58:43
  Chris Packet again. Yeah.
• 58:45
  And Chris went out like the day before and took a video of the
• 58:48
  ground, and it was solid. OK.
• 58:50
  Like he was walking on it with spikes.
• 58:52
  Yeah. And I was like, wait, I need to,
• 58:56
  like, take advantage of that. Yeah.
• 58:59
  Because that doesn't happen that often.
• 59:01
  That's like maybe a once a season that.
• 59:03
  Yeah. So yeah, we went out and the
• 59:07
  three of us, we did the the Mahousk.
• 59:10
  Nice. Great ground conditions.
• 59:12
  Yeah, solid. But it was like wet snowing all
• 59:16
  day. No views.
• 59:18
  Yeah. Soaking wet, not too cold, like
• 59:20
  maybe mid 20s. Yeah, but definitely wet.
• 59:24
  But the ground for me, like all that matters is the ground
• 59:27
  conditions moving fast. Like if I can move fast.
• 59:30
  We were in snowshoes all day, too, but like, not, not post
• 59:34
  holding. Yeah.
• 59:34
  Like, and if you can do that, you'll fly through it.
• 59:38
  Yeah. So like, Chris and I finish it
• 59:39
  in like, 1640. And Thomas was like just me and,
• 59:43
  you know, he likes to come in. Last night we were getting cold.
• 59:46
  We're like, yeah, we want to move a little.
• 59:48
  We want to like, you know, just finish.
• 59:50
  And Thomas was like, yeah, like I got everything planned out.
• 59:53
  I'm just, you know, having a good time.
• 59:56
  So Chris and I went ahead and we did in like 16 hours, which was.
• 1:00:01
  Really. I think that's probably the
• 1:00:03
  fastest winter time. Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  And Thomas, you know, came cruising in 19 or so.
• 1:00:10
  Happy as a clam, Yeah. What is the cut off for that in
• 1:00:13
  the winter? 20 hours, 20, so that's the
• 1:00:15
  longest 20 hours. 20 hours that'd.
• 1:00:17
  Be that'd be interesting. Is there a Is there a Moustic
• 1:00:20
  Winter FKT submitted? There is not.
• 1:00:22
  Look, I don't know if there is or not.
• 1:00:25
  We did look. I don't think there is one.
• 1:00:27
  And we were going to put it. We were going to go put put for
• 1:00:31
  the the FKT, but we just didn't, yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a big fan of winter FKTS
• 1:00:39
  to be honest. Yeah, it's so variable.
• 1:00:41
  I've talked about the Winter FKTS before and it definitely
• 1:00:44
  is, yeah. It's just, it's just if there's
• 1:00:47
  like a, if someone's done it in the winter, it's a winter route.
• 1:00:50
  I think it's cool. But like, I don't know.
• 1:00:53
  And the same thing with kind of like Strava crowns.
• 1:00:55
  If, if there's a, if there's a dry rock time, like let's
• 1:00:58
  preserve that. Sure.
• 1:00:59
  Let's not blow it out of the water because we can also let
• 1:01:01
  down, you know what I mean? Right.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah, exactly. It's just winter is just so like
• 1:01:06
  variable. It could either be amazing or
• 1:01:09
  yeah. OK, so you you battled, you
• 1:01:13
  battled the demons, got the Mahoussic and now you got one
• 1:01:15
  more and you're like, this is I think I saw on your Instagram
• 1:01:18
  maybe that just I mean, you're swimming with the Beavers.
• 1:01:21
  This is the worst. One this is the worst one this.
• 1:01:23
  Is the worst one by far. I thought the cranberry I
• 1:01:26
  thought Mahoussic was going to be the worst one.
• 1:01:27
  The Mahoussic was like easy in comparison to this.
• 1:01:32
  Like it was just so I went out and like, I'm like, you know
• 1:01:37
  what, 7 out of eight, one week left to winter, yeah, I'm going
• 1:01:40
  to go out and do it. And like, everyone's like
• 1:01:42
  telling me go out and do it, Thomas telling me go out and do
• 1:01:45
  it, you know, Thomas was like, yeah, go do it.
• 1:01:47
  I'm going to do it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Thomas has got me on the track every time.
• 1:01:50
  I know. Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  The ultimate hype man. The ultimate hype man.
• 1:01:54
  So yes, I drive up and I'm like, I slept in my car that night.
• 1:02:01
  Get out at like 3 AM 1.5 miles in I go through some ice down to
• 1:02:09
  like my like. Oh God.
• 1:02:11
  Mid stomach, yeah. So completely soaked.
• 1:02:15
  Even my shirt, you know, my jacket that I was wearing Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  And the bottom of my pack, like everything was soaked and in
• 1:02:22
  like cold water, you know, And my like I wanted to turn around
• 1:02:27
  you. Didn't.
• 1:02:28
  Turn around. I was so mad, but I I was ready,
• 1:02:31
  you know? I had like a full set of
• 1:02:33
  clothes. Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  And so it's like 4:00 AM. This is nightmare fuel.
• 1:02:39
  It's black in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:02:42
  Like Cranberry 50 is like the middle of nowhere.
• 1:02:45
  Like there's nothing up there, especially in the winter.
• 1:02:49
  And like, yeah. And I'm like halfway into a
• 1:02:53
  Beaver bog. And so as far as I can see, like
• 1:02:56
  the trail cross is like this, this like bog and like there, I
• 1:03:00
  can't see any good way around it.
• 1:03:03
  So I'm like, you know what, I'm going to just walk through it.
• 1:03:05
  I'm already in it. So I just walked through it.
• 1:03:07
  Oh my God. I'm like breaking ice to walk
• 1:03:10
  through it. Like I'm like smacking the ice.
• 1:03:12
  My gloves are soaked, everything's soaked and I'm just
• 1:03:15
  walking through. It what is going through your
• 1:03:17
  brain, you can't be moving fast. No, no, I was not moving fast at
• 1:03:21
  all. I was like wading through water.
• 1:03:24
  Oh my gosh. And I get to the other side
• 1:03:26
  finally, and it's like my, you know, like my, the pants that I
• 1:03:31
  was wearing were like stuck to my leg.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah, just. Yeah, it was.
• 1:03:37
  Well, the one thing too that I've learned, if I like get wet
• 1:03:41
  in a race or something, or like you're going through a wet
• 1:03:43
  section, you're just like, I'm wet, I'll just be wet and you
• 1:03:47
  just go. But in the winter, the water is
• 1:03:49
  cold. It's cold.
• 1:03:50
  So you get cold so fast. Like it's not just being wet,
• 1:03:54
  you probably just freezing. Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  No, it's definitely, it was definitely, definitely cold and
• 1:04:01
  like everything was like icing out, like balling up.
• 1:04:04
  Yeah. So I had like these big ice
• 1:04:06
  cubes on my Gators and my boots and like I like got to the other
• 1:04:11
  side and but I was I was a little bit cold.
• 1:04:14
  I knew I had a change of clothes.
• 1:04:16
  So I actually instead of changing right there, I decided
• 1:04:19
  to keep walking and try and warm up a little.
• 1:04:21
  Bit that's smart, yeah. So I walked another like 2 miles
• 1:04:26
  or so until I was like warm and then I stopped and I like did a
• 1:04:30
  full change. But it was hard to get like to
• 1:04:33
  open my Gators because they were frozen shut.
• 1:04:36
  My pants, they were frozen to my pants.
• 1:04:38
  I had like my multi tool. I was like chipping away at the
• 1:04:40
  ice, like chipping away the ice on my boots.
• 1:04:44
  There was like a puddle in my boots, but I was able to stay
• 1:04:49
  warm enough. I had like plastic bags on my
• 1:04:51
  feet and just employing some like strategies that I've
• 1:04:55
  figured. Learned over the Yeah, this is
• 1:04:57
  just. Everything.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah. And then once the sun came up,
• 1:05:00
  it was like the best sunrise. I've yeah.
• 1:05:03
  I was like, so happy. I almost started crying.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, because I was like, it was so cold that night and just wet.
• 1:05:10
  And once the sun came up, I just felt so much better at.
• 1:05:13
  I was wearing snowshoes like all day.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. Breaking.
• 1:05:16
  No one was out there. The trail was like untouched.
• 1:05:19
  I was breaking trail, but it wasn't heartbreaking.
• 1:05:21
  Yeah. Like, you know, I wasn't sinking
• 1:05:24
  a ton or anything. Definitely navigating a lot of
• 1:05:27
  water. Yeah, but very carefully.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah. After that first one, Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  And, you know, it just kind of went by.
• 1:05:35
  So it's 40 miles from the northern trailhead to the first,
• 1:05:38
  like Rd. Yeah, 40 miles.
• 1:05:41
  So Wanakina. And then.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah. So like 14 hours later, I popped
• 1:05:45
  out of Wanakina. Dang, once I'm there, I know I'm
• 1:05:47
  good, you know? And that last section was just
• 1:05:51
  once it got dark again. It was bad.
• 1:05:53
  Yeah. Mentally.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're so close.
• 1:05:56
  I was close, everything was hurting.
• 1:05:58
  Like my feet really hurt. I had like 30 LB pack on.
• 1:06:02
  Oh gosh, and this is this is the longest.
• 1:06:04
  Is this longest cut off? What was the winner on this 20
• 1:06:07
  hours 20 as well. Same as the Mahuza, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:10
  And so, yeah, I got out to the road, which would like 2 Mile
• 1:06:14
  Rd. walk left and finished in like 18 hours, 42 minutes.
• 1:06:19
  And I was just like, so happy to be done with that.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah. Was there anyone there you just
• 1:06:24
  like? Nope, just you completely alone.
• 1:06:26
  You're like, I'm done. Didn't see a single person the
• 1:06:29
  entire day. Yeah, even in Juana Keene, I
• 1:06:32
  didn't see a single person. Yeah.
• 1:06:35
  So yeah. And then I drove home.
• 1:06:38
  Well you had to be feeling good. You're like I dude I did this
• 1:06:41
  and monkey off the back. Yeah, off the adrenaline I saw.
• 1:06:44
  I took a little nap, but yeah, yeah, yeah, that is crazy.
• 1:06:48
  Got home. Right.
• 1:06:49
  Well, it seems fitting that you kind of ended with that insane,
• 1:06:52
  like the the hardest, most insane adventure at the end.
• 1:06:55
  Yeah. And then you sweep it behind
• 1:06:57
  you. I to be honest with you, I don't
• 1:06:59
  think I would have finished it if it wasn't my last one.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah. I think if it if it was like my
• 1:07:03
  7th or I, I would have just turned around.
• 1:07:06
  Yeah, just. Like no.
• 1:07:07
  Way. But I was like, this is my last
• 1:07:09
  chance to to do it, and you're the first person to do it this
• 1:07:13
  year. Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  What was the date? So because you only have like a
• 1:07:17
  week or whatever left of winter. Right.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah, Yeah, I think it was the 18th.
• 1:07:22
  OK. No, only a few days, 18th.
• 1:07:26
  The 14th, 15th, 16th. Oh yeah, it wasn't.
• 1:07:29
  The 18th, Yeah. Nice.
• 1:07:31
  So. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 1:07:33
  So first person to finish this, are there other people like
• 1:07:37
  going for? I'm sure you've like inspired
• 1:07:38
  people. I'm sure Thomas is like, you
• 1:07:40
  know. Thomas is going for it.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, he's almost done. He's going to finish up super,
• 1:07:45
  super soon. I think he just has Cranberry
• 1:07:47
  left too. Nice for this upcoming winter.
• 1:07:49
  For this upcoming winter, yeah. So he's been working through
• 1:07:52
  them for a while. And yeah, and so I, I don't know
• 1:07:57
  if other people are really going for it, I'm sure.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah, well I was looking at the IT looks like that, you know, I
• 1:08:03
  know people submit for the patches.
• 1:08:05
  Do you know like how many people have just done the the 24 hour
• 1:08:09
  standard for the 8 routes? Like is there a list?
• 1:08:11
  Because I know on the grid website you can see when people
• 1:08:14
  finish the grid. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Is it the same thing or no? There is a list, I think it's
• 1:08:17
  like 100 something for like this sub 24 yeah.
• 1:08:22
  And then the Skyrunner is like, there's maybe like 8 or nine
• 1:08:25
  people at this. Point.
• 1:08:26
  Yeah, yeah. And then in the winter, so for
• 1:08:30
  the gold normal, which is sub 24 hours, there's like 5 people
• 1:08:34
  that have done it, yeah. And then for the Skyrunner Gold,
• 1:08:37
  there's only one so. The loan, the loan for and
• 1:08:41
  you're on that. How quickly were you on the
• 1:08:42
  website after you finished if you were texting that guy?
• 1:08:45
  Yeah, I don't think I'm. I don't know if I'm on there
• 1:08:47
  yet. I haven't.
• 1:08:47
  Checked or not? Yeah, they update it like once a
• 1:08:49
  year. I I don't really mind.
• 1:08:51
  That, Yeah. It's like the people know.
• 1:08:53
  I know, I know. So yeah, yeah, no, that's cool.
• 1:08:57
  Well, that's definitely, that is an epic project that is.
• 1:09:01
  It's so crazy. Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  The winner, the winner stuff. I mean, just next level
• 1:09:05
  toughness. What do you, what do you like
• 1:09:08
  cooking up next? I mean, you got a free plate
• 1:09:10
  now, right? You don't have this big thing
• 1:09:12
  hanging over you like you're cooking anything up.
• 1:09:14
  I yeah, I mean, like I've been looking at a couple things.
• 1:09:19
  I like the I kind of like the yo-yo idea of like maybe yo
• 1:09:22
  yoing some of. Them OK.
• 1:09:24
  Like the Mahusik yo-yo maybe? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  I like. That, but I don't know I'm, I'm
• 1:09:31
  not like I don't have anything planned long term.
• 1:09:34
  I kind of just show off the vibes, yeah, of what I feel like
• 1:09:38
  doing so. Well, it seems like you do
• 1:09:39
  multiple sports. You said you're a climber, you
• 1:09:42
  ski, you can't. You came from a football
• 1:09:45
  background. So are you like, do you go
• 1:09:47
  through phases of like, you know, running is my thing right
• 1:09:49
  now, big hiking, you know? Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:09:52
  Do you have any other summer sports you do or pretty much
• 1:09:54
  just? Well, climbing, climbing,
• 1:09:56
  climbing and running, yeah. And probably it's going to be
• 1:09:59
  mostly running this year, yeah. And yeah, I mean, I'm like up
• 1:10:07
  here, like there's Romney. I've never been to Romney.
• 1:10:10
  That's climbing spot that I, I really want to go to.
• 1:10:13
  It's super famous and iconic, you know?
• 1:10:16
  But yeah, for running, it's like right now I'm just kind of
• 1:10:20
  focusing, I think on, on getting my speed up a little bit.
• 1:10:24
  Yeah. Not a super big racer to be
• 1:10:27
  honest. Yeah, I was going to ask.
• 1:10:29
  But I mean, I do I do enjoy like dabbling in like some races for
• 1:10:35
  a. Little bit of competition.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, a little bit. You know, I think I'll get into
• 1:10:40
  it more. Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Do you have? Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  So it's, I mean, this is more of like, I feel like people do,
• 1:10:45
  some people are like hiking projects.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah, some people are speed projects races, So it sounds
• 1:10:51
  like you may do a little bit of everything.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah, I'd say a little bit of everything, Like I'm not like,
• 1:10:57
  you know, I don't think I'm going to podium at like one of
• 1:11:00
  these crazy races, but not yet. Never know.
• 1:11:04
  Never. Working towards getting a little
• 1:11:06
  faster every day. Nice, nice, but.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah, right now I just I kind of like to throw just throw
• 1:11:13
  together some cool roots, some cool custom roots yeah and I
• 1:11:17
  spend a lot of time in the Adirondacks, especially like
• 1:11:19
  last year I was I was doing a lot of that stuff that the
• 1:11:23
  slides there, the off trail, yeah, just so good, you know
• 1:11:27
  yeah. So I like to to scramble around
• 1:11:30
  out there, but. Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Well, I think this have you been on a lot of the 4000 footers
• 1:11:34
  outside of the roads or no, I mean there's that's a lot of
• 1:11:37
  them. Yeah, like well outside, like
• 1:11:41
  the main trails. Outside of the Pemi, the the.
• 1:11:43
  Prezi yes, yeah, yeah. I've done the 4000 footers in
• 1:11:46
  the. I've done the whites.
• 1:11:47
  OK, you've done all the. I've done the, you know, Vermont
• 1:11:50
  five. I've done the Adirondack 46.
• 1:11:52
  Yeah, nothing in Maine except old spec for the Mehuzzi.
• 1:11:56
  OK, nice. Just having gotten out to Maine.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, so far. Hard drive, some of that stuff
• 1:12:01
  is hard to coordinate. So, yeah, I mean, I think a big
• 1:12:04
  question, what it sounds like, I don't know if I know the answer
• 1:12:08
  already from you, but the White Mountains versus the
• 1:12:10
  Adirondacks, that's always like which are tougher.
• 1:12:14
  What do you think? What do you think?
• 1:12:16
  It seems like you're a pretty good person for this.
• 1:12:18
  So I started off in the Whites, but I'm going to say that the
• 1:12:25
  Adirondacks are definitely more difficult.
• 1:12:27
  There you hear it. Definitely more difficult.
• 1:12:29
  That seems a little bit of the sentiment.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, do. You think?
• 1:12:33
  That the trails are, is it more technical, is it more, is it
• 1:12:38
  less maintained and more OCR? Yes.
• 1:12:41
  Or is it? Yeah, OK.
• 1:12:42
  There's a combination of that. There is just the the trails are
• 1:12:48
  things are further away. They're longer.
• 1:12:50
  You know, AL's head in the lights is like the big like far
• 1:12:53
  one, but in the Adirondacks that wouldn't even you wouldn't wink
• 1:12:55
  an eye at something like. That well, that's right here.
• 1:12:58
  You have to walk in for a lot of them, right?
• 1:13:00
  Yeah, A. Lot of them, I mean you have
• 1:13:01
  like Cascade, Porter, Giant, RPR which are right on the right on
• 1:13:04
  the road, but a lot of them are far in also like you know,
• 1:13:09
  herdpaths. There's not like maintained
• 1:13:12
  trails up to everyone. They're they're pretty
• 1:13:15
  substantial now. I mean, so many people have done
• 1:13:17
  them. But yeah, I mean, sometimes it's
• 1:13:20
  confusing. You know, you're out there.
• 1:13:22
  It's kind of like a maze. Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  So it's just, I think it just requires a little bit more, you
• 1:13:28
  know, it's a little bit more difficult to do that around deck
• 1:13:33
  46 than the white nines. Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  The other thing is I just, I just feel like it's not as easy
• 1:13:43
  to move fast in that or on decks, yeah, like the Whites,
• 1:13:46
  you can definitely run even like some of the mountain trails, you
• 1:13:50
  can run them at a good clip. Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  Whereas that or on decks, like I'm happy getting a sub 20
• 1:13:55
  minute mile. Yeah, you know, yeah, on a lot
• 1:13:58
  of the stuff, yeah. And that I'm not saying that the
• 1:14:00
  Whites aren't super rugged because they are.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah, they're absolutely super rugged, but it's just a
• 1:14:06
  different vibe. Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  You know, I think a lot of people who spend a lot of time
• 1:14:09
  in the mountains know what you're saying, too.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah. When it's just, I don't know,
• 1:14:14
  you're on a trail and you're like, I just can't move fast
• 1:14:17
  right now. It's just everything there's,
• 1:14:19
  you know, stuff hitting me. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  A little bit of, you know, technicality, you know, all that
• 1:14:25
  stuff can add into just going slower on trails, right?
• 1:14:28
  Yeah. So it sounds like more of that.
• 1:14:30
  Yeah, I I would say so. Yeah, I mean, the trails here
• 1:14:33
  are so popular too. They're they are, yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Like the ones that get hit a lot get hit a lot.
• 1:14:38
  I don't know. Do you think it's more congested
• 1:14:42
  in the whites? Definitely because the Adirotic
• 1:14:45
  you have to walk in further. Like I've heard the parking
• 1:14:48
  isn't as good. Yeah, there's less people,
• 1:14:49
  right? Well, I mean, like if you go to
• 1:14:51
  a popular trail in the Adirondacks, it's like the
• 1:14:54
  density, I think here it's more overall, like there's more
• 1:14:57
  people everywhere. Yeah, because there's like the
• 1:14:59
  trails here are nicer, you know, just in general.
• 1:15:02
  And in the Adirondacks, like if you go like Marcy, like the Van
• 1:15:06
  Ho trail, oh, you're going to see a ton of people on the next
• 1:15:08
  day, like super congested Cascade Porter, tons of people,
• 1:15:12
  you know, giant RPR, tons of people.
• 1:15:15
  But then like, on some of the more nasty ones, you know,
• 1:15:18
  you're just not really going to see that many people.
• 1:15:20
  So just quiet. Just quiet.
• 1:15:23
  Super Backcountry. Like, yeah.
• 1:15:25
  There's a few place in the whites I feel like they can get
• 1:15:27
  like that, but. Yeah, definitely Cabot.
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, up there. Between cabin and weeks, have
• 1:15:33
  you done the Kilkenny Ridge? I haven't.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, that's a good. That's one that overgrown ferny.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah, you can't see your feet back country.
• 1:15:41
  Yeah, I heard it's pretty gnarly, yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, yeah, there last year there were a ton of blow downs.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, I don't know as much like last winter, we just got a ton
• 1:15:51
  of wind I guess or whatever. Some storms like they all trails
• 1:15:55
  had a ton of blow downs which really can slow trails up huge.
• 1:15:59
  Oh, absolutely, yeah. And like some of the ones that
• 1:16:02
  don't get maintained as much, that definitely plays into it.
• 1:16:05
  But yeah. Well, well, sweet man, this was
• 1:16:09
  that was an epic story. I mean, congratulations on
• 1:16:12
  finishing that. Thank you.
• 1:16:13
  Is there anything else like big that you've done in the hiking
• 1:16:18
  trail running or outside of that that you think it's just
• 1:16:21
  interesting? We could we could hear some more
• 1:16:22
  stories. You got good stories.
• 1:16:24
  I mean, I, I wouldn't say I really like have tried to push
• 1:16:29
  anything super hard. I did try and go for the Bob
• 1:16:32
  Marshall FKT last year. OK, which is what is that?
• 1:16:35
  It's an extension of the great range.
• 1:16:37
  Yeah, I didn't get it. I I belled probably like 3/4 of
• 1:16:43
  the way through because I was just falling a little bit behind
• 1:16:46
  like every minute. But yeah, so that's a that's a
• 1:16:49
  great range plus like a couple other things like big slide and
• 1:16:53
  you know, Algonquin, right, Iroquois, that's a tough route.
• 1:16:56
  It's like 30 miles with 14 or 15 K yeah and yeah it's really
• 1:17:03
  stout time on that. I really, I really just think
• 1:17:08
  like I love putting together like big gnarly things that, you
• 1:17:13
  know, like kind of make my own route.
• 1:17:15
  Yeah. So like maybe like, you know,
• 1:17:21
  I'm I'll come up with some some nasty, nasty thing that could
• 1:17:26
  could be the next big running thing in that or on decks.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah. The scene there is different
• 1:17:30
  from here. Yeah, How would you, I, I don't
• 1:17:32
  know too much about the scene over there.
• 1:17:34
  Yeah. How would you kind of like
• 1:17:36
  describe it as their. I'm sure there's a a hardcore
• 1:17:40
  group of runners like they're in here and hikers, right?
• 1:17:43
  But is it is it less races? Are there less people like
• 1:17:46
  pushing different projects? Yeah, definitely.
• 1:17:49
  I think it's more low key for sure yeah everyone's super cool.
• 1:17:52
  You know I I mean people there are super cool too.
• 1:17:55
  I haven't, but you don't see them as much.
• 1:17:58
  I feel like yeah, as you do here and definitely like there's not
• 1:18:02
  races like all throughout the mountains there like they are
• 1:18:05
  here. Yeah, I mean white face has it's
• 1:18:08
  yeah, you. Know.
• 1:18:08
  That's a big. One is, but yeah, yeah, I feel
• 1:18:11
  like the racing here, like White Mountain endurance races came in
• 1:18:14
  a few years ago and really like have blown up the races, which
• 1:18:16
  is awesome. Like, permitted races in the
• 1:18:19
  White Mountains. I think the FKT scene here is
• 1:18:22
  pretty strong. Like, right.
• 1:18:23
  You know, Jack Kenzel. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:18:25
  He came through and, you know, gave these all, like, super
• 1:18:28
  stout times. Some other people have been
• 1:18:30
  chasing it. Sure.
• 1:18:31
  I mean, people like Amber doing crazy projects.
• 1:18:35
  Absolutely. yo-yo. And Oh my gosh, did you pace her
• 1:18:37
  on any? Of you, I did, you did
• 1:18:39
  supporting a little bit for that, yeah, the.
• 1:18:42
  Well, she did the New Hampshire AT and then the yo-yo of the
• 1:18:44
  Whites 100 which is. Ridiculous, that's.
• 1:18:46
  Bonkers ridiculous whites 100 Can I have another?
• 1:18:50
  Yeah. It's not enough to just go once,
• 1:18:52
  yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:54
  So there's definitely a lot of that here, yeah, which is cool.
• 1:18:56
  The community here is amazing. I mean, everyone's super cool,
• 1:18:59
  Yeah. And you know, everyone you talk
• 1:19:01
  to, Yeah. So.
• 1:19:03
  There's a lot of resources too. Like I know you said the you had
• 1:19:05
  met Thomas in that Facebook group, but there's lots of
• 1:19:07
  groups that if you have questions about the whites or
• 1:19:10
  like the 48, the grid people are just they, they know.
• 1:19:13
  They're happy to answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:15
  And the Dax, it's like, yeah, if you don't know your stuff, get
• 1:19:18
  out, you know, years. People are happy to help.
• 1:19:21
  Yeah. I think it's cool too.
• 1:19:23
  There's obviously straw was pretty popular.
• 1:19:26
  I'm I'm back on the socials, which is cool.
• 1:19:28
  That is how I kind of heard about you.
• 1:19:29
  Sure, Yeah. And like even if you haven't met
• 1:19:32
  somebody, like you'll show up and like see somebody like, oh,
• 1:19:34
  I saw you do whatever and then, you know, like chat about
• 1:19:37
  whatever. Lots of mountain runners.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, they got the Whites White Mountain throw down.
• 1:19:43
  Oh yeah, which has been a huge success.
• 1:19:44
  You should come out and RIP one of those this year.
• 1:19:46
  I was thinking about giving it a shot, you know, trying a couple
• 1:19:50
  of the segments. Yeah, because I do, I'm getting,
• 1:19:52
  I feel like I'm, I'm getting into more of like that kind of
• 1:19:56
  VK yeah almost thing. So yeah, you know, maybe I'll
• 1:20:00
  give it a shot and see what happens.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah, I think it's cool like that.
• 1:20:05
  The last I mean last year definitely.
• 1:20:07
  I mean, you just drumming in those, those efforts brought out
• 1:20:10
  big names. Oh yeah.
• 1:20:12
  Anybody can come and do them within a month for free, right.
• 1:20:16
  So it's not like a race entry. You can pick a good day and then
• 1:20:20
  you can go race against other super fast people.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah, yeah. It's really, it's really cool.
• 1:20:25
  I feel like the trail running right now in in New England is
• 1:20:27
  getting in the whites getting really good.
• 1:20:29
  Absolutely. So it's an awesome, awesome
• 1:20:31
  thing. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:20:32
  Yeah. Well, cool man.
• 1:20:34
  I appreciate you coming on like awesome story.
• 1:20:36
  Absolutely. Congrats again.
• 1:20:37
  We're going to go grab at least a couple miles right now.
• 1:20:40
  For sure, yeah. Black Mountain, But yeah, thanks
• 1:20:43
  for coming on. Is there?
• 1:20:44
  Where can people find you? I'm on Instagram Joe dot palisi
• 1:20:49
  PALISI and then Strava also Joe palisi so.
• 1:20:54
  Perfect. Yeah, easy enough.
• 1:20:56
  All right. Yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Cool, thanks for having me. Yep, see you guys.
• 1:21:00
  See you. All right, I mentioned a dream
• 1:21:04
  talk. So we're we're just going to get
• 1:21:05
  into the dream talk. I had a.
• 1:21:08
  Dream last night, it kind of shook me a little bit and I'm
• 1:21:12
  going to explain the dream. And you know how you have a
• 1:21:15
  dream and you can't when it happens, you can't really
• 1:21:18
  explain, explain it to other people in the magnitude of, you
• 1:21:23
  know, what it felt like to you in the dream.
• 1:21:26
  So I don't know how this is going to come across.
• 1:21:27
  I don't even remember it that good.
• 1:21:29
  This is a problem. I don't remember it.
• 1:21:31
  Great. So it's like, how can I convey
• 1:21:33
  to you how shocking it was? But I'm going to give it a go.
• 1:21:36
  In this dream, it felt like we were in a school project or a
• 1:21:42
  classroom, right? Or like some sort of school
• 1:21:44
  setting where people had different groups that they were
• 1:21:46
  working in and the, the project was to come up with some sort
• 1:21:52
  of, I don't know if it was a video or a song, I don't know
• 1:21:55
  what it was, but it was one of those two, you know, genre
• 1:21:58
  ballpark things. And my group, you know, I
• 1:22:03
  remember, I don't even remember what it was.
• 1:22:04
  I wish I had an idea of what my my group's project was, but we
• 1:22:09
  presented something fair, you know?
• 1:22:12
  High school or whatever level this is a decent little like
• 1:22:15
  that was kind of nice, whatever thing.
• 1:22:18
  Like the level, Andrew, come on, you have to give us some
• 1:22:20
  details. If I was doing a mountains, you
• 1:22:24
  know, a scene or whatever, it would just be a couple, like
• 1:22:27
  maybe clips from a top of a mountain.
• 1:22:29
  That's it. Very basic.
• 1:22:30
  No editing, anything like that. OK.
• 1:22:33
  And that's what the vibe of everyone was.
• 1:22:36
  And then somebody, some group came up and they showed their
• 1:22:40
  project. Oh, I forgot the song.
• 1:22:41
  I don't know. All right.
• 1:22:42
  Scenic mountain with a song in the background.
• 1:22:45
  These guys came up and it wasn't even, this wasn't my group
• 1:22:48
  project. This was somebody else's group
• 1:22:49
  project. They they put on this thing and
• 1:22:54
  it was, it was almost like a like a Weird Al parody.
• 1:22:59
  You're a Weird Al stuck in the drive through back in like it
• 1:23:02
  was a parody song about my life. OK, and the the you know,
• 1:23:09
  obviously I'm on the YouTube post in the YouTube now.
• 1:23:12
  So when I see like someone who does good edits or good video or
• 1:23:15
  has good punch or whatever, you know, I'm like, oh, that, that's
• 1:23:18
  nice now. So I don't know if I'm noticing
• 1:23:19
  this stuff more, but in the dream they had this awesome like
• 1:23:25
  music video. It was like the edits were
• 1:23:28
  amazing, right? It was super funny.
• 1:23:30
  It was a parody song. It was so punchy and it was so
• 1:23:34
  clever. You know, sometimes in my, you
• 1:23:36
  know, in the shower, in a car drive, you know, by myself, I'll
• 1:23:40
  do a little bit of singing, a little bit of a, you know, a
• 1:23:42
  little bit of AI just have a lot of energy sometimes and I know
• 1:23:49
  so so, you know, maybe this is something that I'm kind of like
• 1:23:52
  more is in my brain. But you know, and sometimes I'll
• 1:23:56
  freestyle right, like if Joss, I'll just say a couple little
• 1:23:59
  little funny lines, but you know, and nothing crazy.
• 1:24:03
  So I kind of know where my skill set is there.
• 1:24:06
  The video was so clever and so funny and it had the perfect
• 1:24:12
  images to match like what the song was right.
• 1:24:16
  It was like Eminem, you know, play on words and it had stuff
• 1:24:21
  for my life. The one I do remember we've been
• 1:24:23
  playing this game called Dutch Blitz.
• 1:24:26
  It's like a card game, kind of like an Uno or I don't know,
• 1:24:28
  it's got colour cards and it and it had like these puns with
• 1:24:32
  Dutch Blitz in it and a couple other small like only me and
• 1:24:38
  Jocelyn really would like know the reference, right?
• 1:24:41
  So like these really intimate, clever lines that were making me
• 1:24:44
  laugh, right. And with the edits in the visual
• 1:24:47
  I'm like Oh my God this is insane.
• 1:24:50
  So that's what. The dream was, And it's like,
• 1:24:51
  all right, Andrew, what's so crazy about that?
• 1:24:54
  I was thinking, I was trying to figure out where did that come
• 1:25:00
  from? OK, because I know I'm not
• 1:25:04
  clever enough to or funny enough like this was next level cinema
• 1:25:08
  guys. I mean, I wish I had it.
• 1:25:10
  I post it on my YouTube. It's out of my niece.
• 1:25:12
  Post it on my YouTube. I'm thinking, where did it come
• 1:25:16
  from? I, I know I couldn't think of
• 1:25:20
  it. You know, my brain as it is when
• 1:25:22
  I'm awake is not clever enough or funny enough to put that
• 1:25:25
  together freestyling, right. So it must have been pre planned
• 1:25:29
  somewhere pre written, you may say.
• 1:25:33
  So I'm thinking where was it written?
• 1:25:37
  And I have a few thoughts. It was either in written in my
• 1:25:41
  brain, but not in a conscious part of like me thinking about
• 1:25:45
  it, right? Like there's a dark little cell
• 1:25:47
  in my brain that's been coming up with this hilarious, funny
• 1:25:50
  music video about my life. Came up with the perfect script,
• 1:25:55
  put, you know, faces to the OR whatever to the, to the words.
• 1:26:00
  And then it just portrayed it in my dream.
• 1:26:02
  OK, that is that could happen. I don't know much about the
• 1:26:05
  brain, but we don't know what we don't know what dreaming is,
• 1:26:08
  right? This is what got me thinking.
• 1:26:10
  So that's one thing which is a little bit weird.
• 1:26:12
  It's kind of like I think about me like editing some of these
• 1:26:15
  videos and doing some of the stuff and there's A Little Dream
• 1:26:20
  man who doesn't come who I have no access to that is just
• 1:26:25
  working on on cool music videos in my brain.
• 1:26:28
  So it could be there. It could be that that you dreams
• 1:26:33
  they say like you dream really slow or I don't know how that
• 1:26:36
  works. Like a dream feels like an hour,
• 1:26:39
  but it's only a minute, which I don't even know if that would.
• 1:26:42
  OK, Yeah, yeah, it feels like an hour, but it's only a minute.
• 1:26:46
  So let's say the song was 3 minutes.
• 1:26:50
  OK, hold on. Not 3 minutes in me time, 3
• 1:26:53
  minutes in the dream time. So an hour and a dream feels
• 1:26:57
  like one minute in real life. So 3 minutes in a dream feels
• 1:27:03
  like. Is that even faster?
• 1:27:05
  It feels like 20 seconds. Am I doing that right?
• 1:27:09
  Because I'm just thinking, what if the time is going so slow
• 1:27:12
  enough where it seemed like I was just freestyling like to to
• 1:27:16
  a beat, to a quick beat, but in reality, in life, it was
• 1:27:19
  happening like I had five minutes to think of the next
• 1:27:22
  line. That's why they were so good,
• 1:27:24
  you know, and that's how my dream brain, that could be it.
• 1:27:26
  I came up with it with my conscious or my dream brain, but
• 1:27:30
  it took and I had a 5 minutes. It just the way that I saw it
• 1:27:34
  was really quick. So I could be a second option.
• 1:27:36
  And then the third option, the funnest option that I was kind
• 1:27:41
  of thinking about. And I've kind of gotten, I
• 1:27:43
  wouldn't say gotten into the meditating thing, but really, I
• 1:27:46
  do think, you know, mental strength and I don't know,
• 1:27:51
  spirituality, maybe I don't know really how to describe it, but
• 1:27:54
  I, I do feel like, you know, I've been doing a little bit of
• 1:27:57
  mediting, right? And it's like you don't exist.
• 1:27:59
  The task exists. You know, we're all connected,
• 1:28:03
  right? Nobody, we're all this, this the
• 1:28:06
  same in this, the big thing that we don't even know what's going
• 1:28:09
  on. You know, you don't exist.
• 1:28:11
  The person actually doesn't exist.
• 1:28:13
  Everyone is on the singular plane or, or mission, right?
• 1:28:19
  And we're all connected in this way.
• 1:28:21
  This is, you know, they say remote viewing where, you know,
• 1:28:25
  some people, if they really meditate super hard, they can
• 1:28:30
  see what's going on across the world, right?
• 1:28:33
  Because they're connected to this other kind of world that
• 1:28:37
  we're all logged into, but we can't perceive it.
• 1:28:40
  What if in my dream state, my mega dream meditation state, I
• 1:28:47
  am plugged into the funniest, most clever version of myself
• 1:28:54
  and I could just recall from that guy because of my dream, I
• 1:28:58
  was connected to him, right? That's the third thing and what
• 1:29:02
  that gets me. I hope this makes sense.
• 1:29:04
  I hope somebody, I hope somebody is like, I know what he's
• 1:29:09
  talking about. I, I can feel how kind of weird
• 1:29:13
  this was like where did this awesome music video script come
• 1:29:16
  from? How was it generated?
• 1:29:19
  And I, you know, no one's going to really know how good it was.
• 1:29:22
  It was epic, guys. It was epic.
• 1:29:24
  If I posted it, you would be like top of the charts.
• 1:29:28
  It was so funny to me. So, but that that begs the
• 1:29:32
  question, are we all connected? Is this, and I'm kind of leaning
• 1:29:36
  into this maybe a little bit, you know, maybe trying to help
• 1:29:39
  my running. What if there's a version of me,
• 1:29:44
  he a genius and Albert Einstein of of Andrew Wojack, a a 4
• 1:29:49
  minute Miller of Andrew Wojack. Wait, well, Andrew don't get a
• 1:29:53
  Killian Jornay version of Andrew Woj, right?
• 1:29:56
  Like what? What am I connected into?
• 1:29:58
  But I just haven't tapped into it yet, right?
• 1:30:03
  I don't know and and who knows? I don't know if anyone meditates
• 1:30:07
  and this has. Worked for you, but.
• 1:30:09
  You know, sometimes, like if you're in a hard effort, right,
• 1:30:12
  it's like almost if you can, you know, it hurts so bad.
• 1:30:15
  You want to it feels like you're just going everything you got.
• 1:30:19
  But also there's been moments where it, where it, it really
• 1:30:23
  hurts. It's really hard.
• 1:30:24
  But also I kind of, if I can get myself to relax, I can move
• 1:30:27
  faster, right. So what other limitations am I
• 1:30:31
  putting on myself because I'm not tapping into some sort of
• 1:30:34
  thing that is available to me, not just in my dreams.
• 1:30:38
  Maybe I could be a 4 minute miler.
• 1:30:40
  Well, I, I, who knows, right. So just something to think
• 1:30:45
  about, something to really try to tap into.
• 1:30:48
  And oh, man, John Hirsch sent me something good here.
• 1:30:52
  I don't know if I can really pull it from my brain right now.
• 1:30:54
  Like if I was able to tap into, you know, everything, I would be
• 1:30:57
  able to. But he sent me this thing where
• 1:31:00
  monks, you know, these monks would run a marathon every day
• 1:31:03
  or some sort of crazy running event.
• 1:31:05
  And the goal, the goal of the monk, this is how I perceived it
• 1:31:12
  and remember it. So I could be botching this, the
• 1:31:15
  goal of the monk. The monk was not chasing
• 1:31:17
  fitness. The monk was chasing the version
• 1:31:23
  of himself or the work that it takes to get that, that fitness
• 1:31:28
  level or whatever your goal is, right.
• 1:31:31
  And maybe this, maybe this is all part of it.
• 1:31:34
  May, you know, for, and, and I really, I think about, I, I kind
• 1:31:41
  of think about like, you know, if I'm on a similar path or, you
• 1:31:44
  know, I'm, I've dedicated years to, to running and really trying
• 1:31:48
  to find my potential. If you're really trying to find
• 1:31:51
  your potential, it's not the destination, it's the journey.
• 1:31:55
  And I guess that is the, that is the, the metaphor.
• 1:32:00
  But it's, yeah, the end goal isn't what you're chasing.
• 1:32:03
  It's what it takes to get to that end goal.
• 1:32:07
  So like, what are those things? Years of dedication, you know,
• 1:32:11
  decades of dedication, leaving no stone unturned for decades,
• 1:32:16
  making mistakes and and fixing them.
• 1:32:19
  Making mistakes is a huge part of it.
• 1:32:22
  Failing, right, Failing and coming back better thinking that
• 1:32:26
  you you have reached where you want to reach to and then, you
• 1:32:29
  know, getting set back and then and then going up learning more
• 1:32:32
  things really, you know, going the way of the warrior, giving
• 1:32:36
  your all to something and and and the people who get to that
• 1:32:41
  ultimate goal, they know what it takes, right.
• 1:32:43
  And again, I always like drop names, but like a Tom Brady,
• 1:32:46
  right, the guy for 20 plus years, just every minute he was
• 1:32:52
  just trying to be the best football player that he can.
• 1:32:54
  That's the goal, isn't the fitness.
• 1:32:57
  The goal is to learn what it takes to be him, right, because
• 1:33:00
  at the end of his career, Tom goes, I have all the answers.
• 1:33:03
  He that's like that is what this metaphor is.
• 1:33:06
  He put in the work. He knew what it take to get to
• 1:33:08
  the highest level. He had all the answers and he
• 1:33:10
  went and won a Super Bowl with the bucks at 42 or whatever it
• 1:33:14
  was. So that was kind of my dream.
• 1:33:18
  That was kind of my dream spiral talk.
• 1:33:21
  But I thought it I thought it would might be interested and
• 1:33:23
  maybe someone would have some takeaways from it.
• 1:33:26
  But we'll, we'll do the trail conditions before the the race
• 1:33:30
  preview and race results. So the trail conditions, I went
• 1:33:33
  up, you know, my spring trail running playbook.
• 1:33:39
  In my spring trail running playbook, I talked about a lot
• 1:33:43
  of places to go in the spring outside of the whites when, when
• 1:33:47
  the conditions aren't great. And I run that playbook, you
• 1:33:51
  know, running the playbook. But there, you know, when you do
• 1:33:56
  it, I don't know what it is. There's a certain feeling you
• 1:33:58
  get when you're either in the 4000 footers.
• 1:34:01
  I don't know if it's if it's really up north, it's the
• 1:34:04
  terrain or it's being up high in the air.
• 1:34:07
  But you guys know there's something about being up there.
• 1:34:10
  And I've gone a couple weekends where I haven't gone up there
• 1:34:12
  and I, I was just itching to go and get some of that northern,
• 1:34:17
  northern air. And I'm going through trail
• 1:34:20
  condition reports and, and it's just, it's not good in the
• 1:34:25
  April, even if you have like crappy conditions, it's it's
• 1:34:28
  muddy, it's icy, it's post holy, all that stuff.
• 1:34:32
  If you start in the morning, if you go for a couple hours, you
• 1:34:35
  do something where it's a, it's a popular route.
• 1:34:37
  Gridders are out there. They're packing it down.
• 1:34:40
  You can get away with just throwing on spikes like some of
• 1:34:43
  the reports have said, like, yeah, I just need to throw on
• 1:34:45
  spikes or whatever. But today it was in the 60s,
• 1:34:51
  early morning, 70s in the afternoon, which is beautiful.
• 1:34:54
  I cannot complain about that. But that soft snow, it's just
• 1:34:59
  going to get torched even even in snowshoes.
• 1:35:01
  So I couldn't do it. So I'm thinking, all right, what
• 1:35:03
  are the other peaks? I'm kind of getting ahead of
• 1:35:06
  that playbook. You know, I've ran a couple of
• 1:35:08
  the plays now I'm trying to get I'm trying to get to that early
• 1:35:10
  May, you know, I want to get on the moats, but it's just, you
• 1:35:13
  know, I think South moats actually probably pretty good
• 1:35:16
  and I picked one similar to that, but I want to get a little
• 1:35:19
  bit higher. So today I was like, all right,
• 1:35:21
  I'm just going to go up north and do something.
• 1:35:22
  Landed on Welch Dickey. Awesome route.
• 1:35:26
  I've only done it. I I actually have only been
• 1:35:28
  there a couple times. I know it's one of the most
• 1:35:30
  popular routes for, you know, it's it's off exit 28 in
• 1:35:33
  Thornton. A lot of people it's great
• 1:35:35
  views, very exposed, so you get a lot of cool mountain views and
• 1:35:39
  it's a good it's like 1800 feet, 4 miles.
• 1:35:42
  It's a good hike for, you know, more casual hikers to to Oh, you
• 1:35:48
  get good views and do it. And I did it as in a big group
• 1:35:50
  back in the day. So it's cool.
• 1:35:53
  And then I want, you know, I went, it was today's Friday, so
• 1:35:55
  I want to go on a weekday, which which helped.
• 1:35:57
  So it wasn't really, it wasn't really crowded and no snow, no
• 1:36:02
  ice. And it, I mean, it's pretty
• 1:36:05
  punchy. It actually is pretty punchy.
• 1:36:07
  And it, it, it was going to get, you know, not 3000 feet, but
• 1:36:10
  2800 feet. So I landed on it.
• 1:36:13
  It was awesome. It was awesome.
• 1:36:15
  It was I, I hadn't, it just feels like I haven't ran on
• 1:36:18
  White Mountains, rocks and roots in six or whatever months it is.
• 1:36:23
  And that's because that's true and it felt good to get out
• 1:36:26
  there. I've I've been to Mananoch, but
• 1:36:27
  they were still ice when I went to Mananoch.
• 1:36:29
  So that's like kind of close, but it was kind of so this is my
• 1:36:31
  first real kind of mountain steep technical run in a while
• 1:36:35
  and it was awesome. The a lot of the slabs were wet,
• 1:36:38
  but you know, that's fine. I that was a OK with me.
• 1:36:43
  A little bit of wetness is not going to not going to frighten
• 1:36:46
  me. You got to get used to the wet
• 1:36:47
  and the muddy trails as the as the melt out continues.
• 1:36:51
  But it was awesome. Ran into Andrew Soras up there.
• 1:36:54
  So we got some miles in together, which is cool and
• 1:36:59
  there's turkeys going nuts over here.
• 1:37:01
  There's no way you guys would hear this on that.
• 1:37:03
  I wonder if I could edit in background noise.
• 1:37:06
  Probably not, but just some turkeys gobbling.
• 1:37:12
  But yeah, it was awesome. I mean, the trail conditions, I
• 1:37:14
  I have nothing to report. A little bit muddy down down low
• 1:37:17
  like a little bit nothing crazy, but a little bit muddy.
• 1:37:20
  Wet slabs, but totally dry or wet slabs, totally dry, No snow
• 1:37:27
  covered in snow. I don't know.
• 1:37:28
  I don't know. I don't know what that snow
• 1:37:30
  reference was, but no snow, no ice.
• 1:37:33
  I promise that. No snow, no ice.
• 1:37:35
  I'm watching Dickey. Although Andrew was saying the
• 1:37:37
  other morning it was really cold and it was it's the slabs are
• 1:37:40
  all wet. So was icy in the morning.
• 1:37:42
  So actually if it drops below freezing, which I think it is
• 1:37:45
  next week, it might be a little bit icy, but no significant snow
• 1:37:49
  going the afternoon. It's going to be good.
• 1:37:51
  And I'm what am I thinking about for next weekend?
• 1:37:55
  What week? I don't even know the date.
• 1:37:57
  I think next weekend it's definitely.
• 1:37:59
  I always do the moats on the White Lakes Ultra weekend.
• 1:38:03
  I'll go to the moats and then I go swing by White Pond or
• 1:38:08
  whatever. I don't know.
• 1:38:10
  What's the White Lake? Oh my.
• 1:38:12
  Oh. My gosh, White Pond, White Lake
• 1:38:17
  Ultra. I always go to White Lake.
• 1:38:18
  I used to camp there as a kid. We used to that was like the one
• 1:38:21
  camping activity we would go like when I was really young a
• 1:38:24
  couple times a year. Yeah.
• 1:38:28
  So that so that's the place. So but I might go there a week
• 1:38:30
  early and just do the most 2 weekends in a row because I
• 1:38:33
  really just want to get up north.
• 1:38:34
  But I would, I would think South Mote is out And then I mean May
• 1:38:37
  1st guys, the White Mountains throw down is coming out soon.
• 1:38:40
  Are you guys going to hear? I don't even know.
• 1:38:42
  Yeah, I can't do math right now. But anyway, we're getting on Big
• 1:38:46
  Mountain soon. It felt good today.
• 1:38:48
  Hopefully you guys enjoyed the podcast and now we're going to
• 1:38:51
  go and do race results. The race results are going to be
• 1:38:55
  inside today, guys, I did them. It's actually funny.
• 1:38:58
  I did the race results inside I think once and I was like, all
• 1:39:02
  right, I'm just going to start doing these inside because it's,
• 1:39:04
  it's been a little bit daunting. I, I, I have a better system
• 1:39:07
  that I'm going to get to so I don't miss any and I'm not super
• 1:39:10
  stressed about hitting all the races that I'm working on.
• 1:39:15
  But until today, it's going to be inside.
• 1:39:17
  But on that video, when I did it inside, like on the YouTube
• 1:39:20
  analytics, you can see in a video how long people watch or
• 1:39:23
  like your watch time kind of. And as soon as the race results
• 1:39:27
  came on, the watch time went from I don't know what percent
• 1:39:30
  it was to 0. Nobody stayed on to watch it.
• 1:39:34
  So then then I'm thinking like, Oh my God, I need to be in this
• 1:39:38
  truck bed for people to watch this podcast on YouTube.
• 1:39:41
  So but today Turkey's moving, still gobbling, moving downhill.
• 1:39:47
  I found a better spot today, a little quiet.
• 1:39:49
  I don't know if this is going to be my final.
• 1:39:50
  You know, I want to have a few podcasting spots, but hey, this
• 1:39:53
  good good omens. You got turkeys gobbling around
• 1:39:55
  you. So I'm going to do the results
• 1:39:58
  inside. I'm figuring out a better
• 1:40:00
  process. It's at the end of the episode
• 1:40:02
  anyway. But here are the race results
• 1:40:05
  from this upcoming weekend and the past weekend.
• 1:40:07
  I know I'm going to do a run amok.
• 1:40:10
  Results do I remember off the top of my head?
• 1:40:13
  Oh. I'm going to do the Run Amok.
• 1:40:18
  Off the top of my head, this is, this is.
• 1:40:21
  This is not recommended. This is dangerous.
• 1:40:24
  I don't know the 3rd place finishers names.
• 1:40:27
  Maybe I'll put the top three in, I don't know, but I'll just talk
• 1:40:31
  about Run Amok before I do the preview.
• 1:40:33
  Run Amok was stacked. I did the preview for Run Amok,
• 1:40:37
  and I don't know what list I was looking on.
• 1:40:39
  I don't know if my head was in the muck.
• 1:40:41
  I don't know what was going on, but there were some sluggers
• 1:40:43
  that showed out that weren't even on the entrance list.
• 1:40:47
  Erik Lipuma. See, This is why I can't do
• 1:40:52
  this. This is why I can't do this.
• 1:40:54
  Why am I blanking now? Why am I blanking?
• 1:40:56
  Don't do this with the girl from Maine that just crushes
• 1:40:59
  1,000,000 miles. Oh my gosh.
• 1:41:01
  Photo finish. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:41:04
  no, no, no. I don't know if it's going to
• 1:41:06
  come back to me. God Dang it.
• 1:41:08
  OK, Anyway, run amok. Erika Lapuma shows up, right?
• 1:41:11
  He he won by a good amount. I don't know if he set the
• 1:41:15
  course record. I don't think so, but he is.
• 1:41:17
  He's on U.S. National championships team.
• 1:41:21
  World class runner. Runs around the world.
• 1:41:25
  He comes in first, runs the race, so I didn't know he was in
• 1:41:27
  it. Boom.
• 1:41:28
  Eric Lipuma. Did I?
• 1:41:29
  I don't even know. Maybe I did do a preview.
• 1:41:31
  No, but he wins it second place. Keith Nadu.
• 1:41:34
  OK Keith Nadu. Who?
• 1:41:38
  Keith is such a strong runner. He's somebody.
• 1:41:42
  He's like a household New England ultra runner name.
• 1:41:45
  Because Keith. Keith will do.
• 1:41:48
  He will do. Hamster Wheel 100 Miller.
• 1:41:51
  He'll do White Lakes Ultra, he'll do something fast, he'll
• 1:41:54
  do something short, he'll do Infinitis.
• 1:41:57
  He does. His range is so good.
• 1:41:59
  I think he has a Hut, Traverse Picnic.
• 1:42:02
  He has such good range. And to show up, I don't know
• 1:42:05
  what he's been up to, but to show up at a 50K, to show up,
• 1:42:10
  you know, Jigger Johnson, 100 mile first place finisher, he
• 1:42:16
  just goes to so many ultra marathons and his range is
• 1:42:19
  crazy. But to show up to a fast 50K
• 1:42:21
  come in second in a stacked field.
• 1:42:23
  Oh my gosh. Fast 3rd place was the guy from
• 1:42:26
  Canada who had the Mananoch Manchester to Mananoch course
• 1:42:31
  record. We knew he was fast 'cause he
• 1:42:33
  had that course record by a good bit. 7 something knew he was
• 1:42:37
  fast. He came in 3rd.
• 1:42:38
  And then Andy Mcgibbon comes in fourth, who's a household goth
• 1:42:42
  sound name, Vermont name. Just a stacked one through 4.
• 1:42:47
  I'm forgetting 5, you know, I forget five.
• 1:42:49
  I didn't know Thursday name, but at least give him the credit.
• 1:42:51
  And then the women's race, maybe even more exciting, Lindsay
• 1:42:56
  Webster and that girl from Maine.
• 1:42:59
  Why Lela Gadrell? Lela Gadrell and and Lindsay
• 1:43:03
  Webster, a six second photo finish.
• 1:43:07
  Lindsay etches out, she wins it. I don't know.
• 1:43:12
  I feel like I don't know. I've said a couple times in the
• 1:43:14
  podcast talking about age. I don't want to like age.
• 1:43:18
  I don't know. But Lindsay Webster is older,
• 1:43:20
  like a later 30. So she actually probably is in
• 1:43:23
  her prime. But she's somebody that's been
• 1:43:26
  on the scene for so long, just like a veteran.
• 1:43:29
  Maybe that's what I'm trying to say.
• 1:43:30
  She's a veteran in the sport. Professional runner so fast.
• 1:43:34
  Prezi FKT and then Lela Gaudreau, a young girl from
• 1:43:40
  Maine who just throws down 1,000,000 miles.
• 1:43:42
  It's kind of like a vet in a, in a new newcomer.
• 1:43:46
  Although Lisa Gaudrell is probably more, I don't know,
• 1:43:50
  she's probably more experienced than most of the people you know
• 1:43:53
  in New England running ultras. But that was cool to see.
• 1:43:57
  And then third place was another super fast.
• 1:44:00
  Oh. Joanna Frontier, I don't know if
• 1:44:04
  we're pronouncing her last name correctly.
• 1:44:08
  She came in third. Okay, another pro sponsored,
• 1:44:11
  whatever you want to call runner super fast.
• 1:44:13
  I don't what you do if Vermont 100K last year or something won,
• 1:44:16
  won it real good time. And then Lexie Jackson comes in
• 1:44:20
  fourth for the women. So a stacked event lived up to
• 1:44:24
  the hype. Everybody went so fast.
• 1:44:28
  I did say like, I wish I did that I did that race, but
• 1:44:31
  honestly, I looked into it and I was like, no, OK, just Rd.
• 1:44:34
  straight, Rd. dirt. I know there's some dirt roads
• 1:44:37
  and there was some fert, but that is not, you know, I I want
• 1:44:42
  to be racing up and down, but that was a cool race.
• 1:44:43
  Maybe one day I'll throw myself in that mix.
• 1:44:46
  That was cool to see. So all right, we did one of the
• 1:44:48
  race results. That was the big one that I kind
• 1:44:50
  of stuck to. And then we'll go through
• 1:44:52
  through a couple other race results and then we'll preview
• 1:44:55
  next weekend some upcoming stuff tomorrow.
• 1:44:59
  This is dropping on Sunday. Tomorrow's the Boston Marathon,
• 1:45:03
  which is epic. I didn't realize how big of a
• 1:45:08
  not a deal. I don't want to say deal because
• 1:45:09
  I know, you know, the city shuts down.
• 1:45:11
  The Boston Marathon is huge. Boston Marathon is the one of
• 1:45:16
  the most sought after marathons in the world.
• 1:45:18
  The way that all these pros talk about Boston, It's it's, it
• 1:45:22
  gives me like Western states UTMB vibes.
• 1:45:26
  Some people don't like Western States vibes.
• 1:45:29
  So massive. And I really that I watched the
• 1:45:32
  Connor Man's documentary. So, you know, I've been looking
• 1:45:35
  at more the marathon stuff. So it's been cool to fall.
• 1:45:38
  I know a couple of the names. Those fast guys are just there.
• 1:45:42
  It's fun. Everything's getting really
• 1:45:43
  fast. It's cool to see those people
• 1:45:45
  RIP. And also going back a little
• 1:45:49
  bit, No, I don't even know why I'm throwing this in.
• 1:45:52
  That's at the end of the episode if you're listening right now.
• 1:45:55
  I mean just tried and true. You're a warrior.
• 1:45:57
  Appreciate you. What?
• 1:46:01
  What did I want to say? Oh, oh Oh yes, watching like a
• 1:46:04
  Connor man's documentary and seeing these these pro runners
• 1:46:07
  do like a, you know a 20 mile run finishing at like a 430 or
• 1:46:12
  434 average pays 450-4448. All these, you know, just making
• 1:46:18
  it look easy like they go really hard.
• 1:46:20
  That's the one thing that is, you know, obviously the heart
• 1:46:23
  rate data, it is crazy that that they're you know these guys are
• 1:46:26
  running 4 somethings and the heart rate is like 167168 or
• 1:46:30
  whatever. That's that is kind of crazy
• 1:46:34
  going sub 5 minute miles, but you know, you see these guys are
• 1:46:38
  like, oh man, that's fast. And then yeah, I said this last
• 1:46:41
  week, I don't know if the gap is awesome off on my watch, but
• 1:46:43
  when I ran the South Hunkanunic Rd. climb, I clocked the 450 gap
• 1:46:48
  and I was like, oh, that is pretty fast.
• 1:46:50
  And I am I am on that climb and the climbs, you know, when I do
• 1:46:54
  stuff on the flat, I just have a hard time turning over.
• 1:46:58
  It's because I don't run over Rd. run that much.
• 1:47:00
  I'm much more competitive and and stronger on the UPS, so it
• 1:47:06
  kind of makes sense. But the week or whatever, I
• 1:47:08
  recently went down to the track before I before I rolled the
• 1:47:11
  ankle and I was like, Oh, I ran a 450 gap up, you know, for 8
• 1:47:15
  minute, whatever. Like I may come in here and I
• 1:47:17
  may, you know, I was doing 3 by 1 mile, which is kind of like a
• 1:47:21
  good, like my first workout back of the track.
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  I that's what I like to do. So I'm thinking like, oh man, I
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  may run 5 flat for these like reps like 4, you know, 4
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  whatever minute miles. No, no business.
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  I did not run 5 flat for three miles.
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  I think it was five. I was in the five teens for all
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  of them, which it wasn't like all out, but it was I was it was
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  a good workout for sure. I was happy with those times,
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  but I was like, I'm going to be so fat.
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  I'm going to, you know, 440 because you do see some of these
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  people. Do you know old runners or pro
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  runners will do workouts and they they, they can consistently
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  hit like for miles, like 4 even, you know, the top Connor Manse
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  people are, are outliers. But even the the other kind of
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  pros that you can see, you know, they'll do a lot of workouts
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  where they're running 4:50 to 5:00 O pace for mile reps like a
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  David Roche, not that he isn't like top of the world, but you
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  know, some of those fast, fast people like a Ollie Ostrander.
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  She's got a big YouTube, she's crushing on YouTube.
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  That's kind of I do like watching her videos.
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  I think she's funny, good at editing.
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  I appreciate a good YouTube video.
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  Those kind of people like a Lauren Gregory, maybe she
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  they're just in the videos a lot.
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  So I saw the workouts but. They'll they'll do.
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  Workouts where they run like 4 or something, mile reps and and
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  a lot of the working time for longer intervals will be 5
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  something. So I don't know.
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  I got to get faster. I got to get faster for sure.
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  I got to work on turnover. But the goal's five years from
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  now. That's like one of the things
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  that I'm going to try to take pressure off myself this year.
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  Everything I'm going to do this year, even though I have big
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  goals, it's really just to help me in five years.
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  The way the monk, the way the warrior, I'm tapping into where
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  that script came from. That's a call back here.
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  The rest of the results, Peace, peace for outdoor Andrew.
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  OK, we're going to wrap this up with a couple race results,
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  couple race previews. So race results from 2 weekends
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  ago. The next loop Endurance Series
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  New England Wrentham MATH 50K10 loops.
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  This event took place at White Barn Farm. 50 runners, various
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  distances. Here are the 50K results.
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  First to third men's we got Thomas Lindstrom takes it home,
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  413 wins by 1/2 hour. Good margin there.
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  Second Hugo Lopez 442 and then third place is Michael Rath.
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  He ran 452. And then for the women's first
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  overall, the winner, Laura Lynn Weymouth six O 7, second place
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  Emily Barbodos 613 and then third place Emma Wickman 642.
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  Congrats everybody. That's the podium.
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  And then the Spring Fever 8 hour ultra in Hingham, Mass.
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  This took place at Wampatuck State Park.
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  The reverse the course, reverse the curse year, right?
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  So they reverse the course on this to try to get good weather.
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  I think it worked. Here are the results.
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  First place for the men, Tom Wilegico, 45 miles.
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  He's the only one to go 45 miles at this 8 hour ultra.
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  He wins it, takes it home. We got three men tied for second
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  or no, I shouldn't say tied for second.
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  Three men got 40 miles. Jeff Henson, Alejandro Mesa,
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  Mezzo and then in fourth place James Meno Zek.
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  They all got 40 miles. But I think it is whoever
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  finishes that last lap first gets 2nd and 3rd.
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  So Jeff got second, Alejandro got third.
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  Those are the the results there. And then the women's side, we
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  got three women go 35 miles. First place Catherine Damos,
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  second place Lisa Curie, 3rd place Karen Diesso, they all
• 1:51:19
  went 35 miles. Those are the results.
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  That wraps up the results. In addition to Run Amok and then
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  we have some race previews. So this is coming up next
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  weekend when you're listening to this Tark Spring Classic 50K
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  Marathon, Half marathon, 10K April 25th, Weston, Mass.
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  I mean, we know the Tark races. This event plate takes place in
• 1:51:46
  Jericho Town for us on a Bess Oak.
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  I don't know what Bess Oak means.
• 1:51:51
  My vocabulary maybe isn't great. 10K looped a loop designed to
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  show an artisanal maze of twisting single track trails.
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  While the course is relatively flat and beginner friendly,
• 1:52:04
  runners should be prepared for typical New England spring
• 1:52:06
  conditions including rocks roots in a high probability of mud.
• 1:52:11
  As a low key no swag event, the focus is on community
• 1:52:15
  conservation with the 50K participants completing 5 full
• 1:52:19
  loops of the forest. That's Spring Tark, Spring
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  Classic. Next up we got the Jake Bristol
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  Lake Werrimag Ultra races 50K50 mile and 100K.
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  This is taking place on the April 26th in New Preston, CT.
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  Regardless, the oldest 100K in the United States?
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  No way that's crazy. The oldest 100K in the United
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  States? Leadville 100K.
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  This race consists of scenic, primarily flat paved loops
• 1:52:50
  around the perimeter of Lake Warrimog.
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  No, I'm just kidding. No, that is, that is me.
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  No paved loops for 100K. Heesh.
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  I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Justin
• 1:53:02
  Kowski is ripped. I've seen him run this race
• 1:53:05
  before. I can't just shout out Justin
• 1:53:06
  Kowski every time we see ACT Race.
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  After an initial out and back section, runners settle into 7.6
• 1:53:14
  mile laps with 100K finishers completing 7 full circuits
• 1:53:19
  before a final dash to the finish line at the State Park.
• 1:53:22
  The course is famously fast and US track and field sanction
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  making it a premier destination for those looking to set a
• 1:53:29
  personal record on a rolled ultra ultra.
• 1:53:32
  All right cool, so this is a this is a fast sanctioned Rd.
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  50K50 mile 100K. Go get a good time on it.
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  On April 26th is the last one that we got.
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  Cobbs Cook Backyard Ultra 50K50 Miller April 26th, 2020 Sixth
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  Edmonds, Maine Held in the beautiful Cobbs Cook Bay State
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  Park, this event utilizes A modified backyard format where
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  runners complete 5K or 4.167 mile loops every hour on the
• 1:54:04
  hour. The route follows vehicle free
• 1:54:07
  gravel roads that offer roughly 200 feet of gentle elevation
• 1:54:11
  gain per lap with the event capped at 10 hours for 50K12
• 1:54:15
  hours for 50 mile. It is a fat ass style of race
• 1:54:19
  with no entry fees, meaning participants are responsible for
• 1:54:22
  their own aid and must carry their gear from the park to the
• 1:54:26
  park gate to the start finish area.
• 1:54:28
  Nice so this is a free race? God I feel like have we not
• 1:54:32
  Cobbs Cook maybe? I looked in this earlier.
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  I think this was initially going to be at the beginning of the
• 1:54:42
  month, but I'm pretty sure that it got pushed back so maybe I've
• 1:54:47
  looked at it before. That's why I know this isn't ran
• 1:54:49
  yet. So the cops Cup backyard ultra
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  fat ass style, I think that they said, you know, they recommended
• 1:54:57
  a donation to the State Park. Very cool.
• 1:54:59
  Raise some money and yeah, backyard events.
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  This is, you know, other is it. Is there even going to be a race
• 1:55:06
  director or just people just run, just run until they can't
• 1:55:10
  run. So they're probably no results
• 1:55:12
  from this event. But OK, guys, that was the race
• 1:55:16
  results race preview for last weekend and then this weekend
• 1:55:23
  and that's it for this episode. We we went no camera on this
• 1:55:26
  back end section. So I don't know what I'm going
• 1:55:29
  to put. I may just put a load now.
• 1:55:30
  Maybe I'll just put some video running in the mountains is
• 1:55:34
  probably better than but yeah, this was audio only.
• 1:55:38
  Appreciate you guys staying with another.
• 1:55:40
  This could be a 2 hour episode. This might be a 2 hour episode.
• 1:55:44
  So if you if you listen to the end shout out, I think it was a
• 1:55:48
  good one. And trustees heating up.
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  We'll see you next week. Peace.