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2 Maccabees Chapter 13: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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[SPEAKER_00]: us in wife do you know what we're doing today as usual not prepare for life on a Tuesday
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're continuing on the MacVee's trailer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, it's put on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're doing it live on Discord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After we talked for like an hour and a half tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And kid was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You missed kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't on the live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You missed kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a shame for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she joined us on Discord.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a link down at the bottom of the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But last time we did second macabee's chapter 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We sure fucked it and in that episode We had um, we had a boat that they had people go out on and then they drown them all And then that what the wife and children wife and Jewish children the yeah Well wasn't good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tricked them apparently the macadames.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go on a boat trip I'll just the wives and the children and then they didn't come back
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that kind of pissed off the macabees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As it should, as it would, me as well, that would piss me off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's good to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody tricked me and kid on to a boat and then drowned us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very angry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be pretty mad, like just like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For the pretty mad, it'd be very, very mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very mad and sad and sad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not glad not glad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so and then then we got into a bunch of war stuff and there was like 120,000 infantry where there was like a fuck ton of people Which didn't make any fucking sense so the numbers didn't work out and then there was we talked about the measurements between Stadia and furlongs and there was just a bunch of craziness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's pretty much what happened last time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was second magazine chapter 12
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the macadudos got screwed and picked more fights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that means that today we're giving them in, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Second macadudos chapter 13.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, second macadudos chapter 13.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's true, sir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was born, and I'm ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, okay, I'm not gonna address it because it's entirely too stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is really, I had to get, I gotta get a couple dad jokes and occasionally that are really bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe even to the point that they suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't even a dad joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a bad joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even a joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't even a joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is so bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even on the joke right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just plain stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the consensus on discord too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know it pains them to ever agree with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how you know it's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the 149th year news was brought to Judas in his company that entire kiss, youitor, not the OG.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the son of the villain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that do was come in with multitudes against Judea, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with him, Lycius, his guardian and chancellor, each having a Greek force of 110,000 infantry, 5,300 cavalry, 22 elephants, and 300 chariots armed with side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is only 110,000 probably because it killed 10,000 the last time, remember?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also at Skides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but it's sad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, that was good math remembering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I immediately forgot all the numbers, except for the 22 elephants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I like elephants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think you would like these elephants if they were coming at you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would like them if they weren't coming at me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The more elephant, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like them if I was watching them in a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love elephants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shut up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, and then a lay is also joined himself with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He joined himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with great hypocrisy, encouraged and tie-accus, not for the saving of his country, but because he thought that he would be set over the government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought, but the king of kings stood up the anger of Antiochus against the wicked wretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, who's the king of kings?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're talking about like, this is like an infighting thing with the Greeks or something, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the king of kings, I feel like is Antiochus, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's like, like, Lyceus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The king of kings stood up the anger of Antiochus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so that must be like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lysia, Lysia Smith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lysia's the king.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Lysia's is his guardian and chancellor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was brought to Judas and his company was with him and 22.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get there, Lysia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, somebody pissed off somebody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some king is mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but the king of kings stirred up the anger of Anteicus against the wicked Retch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Lycia's informed him that this man was the cause of all the evils, the king commanded to bring him to Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra, Barra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Barra, Barra, Barra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to put him to death in the way customary in that place, this, this, this joining didn't, didn't go very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there is in that place, a tower that is 50 cubits high, but now we're talking about fucking cubits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just kind of done talking about Stadia and fucking furlongs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're going to bring cubits into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't even agree on a fucking measurement system, measuring system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And besides a Cuban isn't even like a standard, it's just like, from what I understand, it's like, from your elbow to the tip of your finger, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, tower that's big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People have different lengths, so like, it doesn't even, by how do you know which Cuban it's, then average they're a standard guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they have like a fucking arm bone with a hand attached to it that they bring out and just like places like those things you get in a dollar store where you you can use them to point at things those are fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring out the holy standard cubit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bring out the pointer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so there is in that place a tower that is 50 cubits high full of ashes, and it had all around it, circular rim, sloping steeply on every side into the ashes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't hear the word, Ram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just continue on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so there's this tower and it's 50 arms high and it's full of ashes and it has a rim, but it's also on the outside of the rim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Round the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Round the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here is one who is guilty of sacralage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or notorious for other crimes is pushed down to destruction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, let me reread that here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One who is guilty of sacrilege or notorious for other crimes is pushed down to destruction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, get on that tower and we're gonna push you into the ashes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so like they just burn them basically, I mean, I'm guess like that's by why there's so many ashes they burn the life of all the sacral people it's a burn book, but a building instead of a book
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[SPEAKER_00]: By such a beat, it happens that the breaker of the law menolace died without obtaining so much as a grave in the earth and that justly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For in as much as he had perpetrated many sins against the altar whose fire and his ashes were holy, he received his ashes and does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is a really weird chapter because we're talking about all Greek stuff and they're talking about he received his just punishment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from Greek hands, in a tower where they burn people who are sacrilegious, which maybe would include Jewish people, possibly I don't really fucking know what's happening here, but that doesn't sound really weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I will enjoy the Q&A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the king, whoever he was, infuriated and spirit, was coming with intent to inflict on the Jews, the very worst of the sufferings that had been done in his father's time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Judas heard of these things, he commanded the multitude to call upon the Lord day and night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: any other time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now to help those who were at the point of being deprived of the law, their country and the Holy Temple, and not to allow the people who had just begun to be revived to fall into the hands of those profane heathen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was from Greek to now Maccabeeus is like we're gonna get them and I don't this chapter is really disjoined.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Judas heard of what was happening with those Greeks in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ash Taua and he's like, um, call upon the Lord day and night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be praying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they had all done the same thing together, all the praying and stuff, begging the merciful Lord with weeping and fasting and pro-stration, frustration, yeah, frustration for three days without ceasing, Judas exhorted them and commanded they should join him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were really scared and prayed a lot and then they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were praying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Judas was like, okay, let's go now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get up, you're done praying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, having consulted privately with the elders, he resolved that before the kings army entered into Judea and made themselves masters of the city, they should go out and decide the matter by the help of God and committing the decision to the Lord of the world and exhorting those who are with him to contend nobly, even to death for laws, temple, city, country, and way of life,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He pitched, oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he made his plea to the people that were praying and then they're like, let's go get these guys before they come in and take over what we have and then now they're camping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, at Morgan's, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He gave out to his man the watch word, all caps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Victory is God's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the watch word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the watch word, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta shout it in all caps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Victory is God, or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but you didn't do it right because it has an apostrophe that's on the God's, it belongs victory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's God's victory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God is, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God owns the victory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's tried again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Victory is God's!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With a chosen force of the bravest young men, he attacked by the King's pavilion by night and killed of his army as many as 2,000 men and brought down the leading elephant with him who was in the tower on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's only 21.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember reading about this when they pulled the tower over on the elephant guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is that story again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like he was protected or something running out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude got squished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Under the elephant as he brought it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that guy was brave or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For that guy that did that, but that guy died too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And last, they filled the army with terror and alarm and departed with good success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This had been accomplished when the day was just dawning because of the Lord's protection that gave Judas help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when the king, having had a taste of the exceeding boldness of the Jews, made strategic attacks on their positions and on a strong fortress of the Jews at Beth's Shura, he advanced
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to know what the numbers that the Jewish people had because they got 110,000, and they only took down one elephant, which means that there's still 21 elephants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 elephants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like a bomb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 21 elephants and you only killed 2,000 people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That still means there's 108,000 people and 21 elephants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you call people who drive the elephants are they pilots?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then you would have 21 pilots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the band name came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You never know these things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to the ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean You get asked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna see what that's where they got it at 21 pilots 21 elephant pilots was the original name And everybody was like don't do that to elephants
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[SPEAKER_00]: Judas sent the things that were necessary to those who were within.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Radicus... Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: R-H-O-D-O-C-U-S. Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the Radicus, from the Jewish ranks, made secrets known to the enemy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that son of a bitch, Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's less sexy than the Radicus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's Radicus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, erotica erotica erotica erotica erotica yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not follow that at all because You made up words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did and it was funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it really was because I am going to argue that way That was fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a T just because you didn't get it when I said it when you didn't when you didn't get it because you were trying to make sounds Be each other because you're Ohio
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that reminds me, we were at our friends house the other day and he pulled out his jacket and I had all these pins on it, but he said, Penn, that's how he said you say Penn's and no, no, no, it reminded me that in Ohio and I think Michigan also that they can't sound, they can't hear the difference between the eye and the E in most words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a pin and a pen is the same word to their ears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you try to do with the rotica.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I won't have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And neither will roticus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just so you know, we won't have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roticus from the Jewish ranks made secrets known to the enemy because he's a son of a bitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was sought out arrested and shut up in prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're going to do treason, maybe what you get if you're back in those days,
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[SPEAKER_01]: probably or burnt into ashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he knew he knew the risk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The king negotiated with them and that's sure the second time gave his hand, took theirs, departed, attacked the forces of Judas, was put to the worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: heard that Philip who had been loved as Chancellor and Antioch had become reckless, was confounded, made to the Jews in overture of peace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This sounds like a bullet list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Submitted himself and swore to knowledge all their rights, came to terms with them, and
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[SPEAKER_00]: offered sacrifice, honored the sanctuary and the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Show kindness and graciously receive macabees, left hegemony's, governor from Tolamaz, even to the Germans, and came to Tolamaz.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one sentence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did this, this, this, and this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's like basically saying,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But did we go to where they're reconciling with the Jewish people now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We went to the house that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they saw the whole problem just in one sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just took one sentence to solve everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like so weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to thank Pauli on our discord because they told me that my heart is the name of professional elephant drivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that is not a pilot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Paulie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The men of Tolamass were displeased at the treaty for they had exceedingly great indignation against the Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They desire to enrol the articles of the agreement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't solve it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to get unsolved just now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: if there was a problem, you know, they didn't say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lycia's came forward to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Me, the best defense that was possible, persuaded, pacified, games their good will, and departed to Antioch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the issue of the attack and departure of the King the End.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not that was perfectly not clear I like that whole chapter was just like feel like not good I feel like the priest or whatever that was in charge of putting this chapter together he was like I'm really hungry I'm just gonna make a bunch of you know what I'm gonna chat you beat this yeah because that's how chat you beat he would do this it would make a bulleted like I feel like it would do better senses though actually
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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably would have been honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't have done that wrong long run on sentence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have at least put a M-dash in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the issue of the attack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it would have done.
18:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:05
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
18:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even really know what to comment about at the end of that one other than that was crazy.
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Elephants and that's crazy stuff.
18:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember in first macabees, the guy who made the tower fall on the elephant, he was praised as a hero ever after.
18:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He was.
18:22
[SPEAKER_01]: He was.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I forget his name now.
18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
18:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So we really wanted to remember it.
18:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember that.
18:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we didn't, this isn't, this isn't like, um, oh, shit.
18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck's his name?
18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The great hunter guy.
18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
18:51
[SPEAKER_01]: of the Leonard variety, I would never forget that.
19:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that once you're asked, and you're on the spot, forget everything you've ever heard.
19:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely know Nimrod, like that's one of those things that like early on in our podcast, I was like drilling in on.
19:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I love this guy, right?
19:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Nimrod was cool.
19:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, I'm sitting here trying to recall it, and I'm like, nope, not coming.
19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not happened.
19:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the first letter.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.
19:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I had idiot.
19:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all like a date.
19:28
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
19:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have anything else to add?
19:31
[SPEAKER_00]: This chapter was a bust.
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to the PQ&A on this because I don't, I'm lost on this.
19:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it was even lost a little bit in the last chapter.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: We're, we're, we're, there's so many things happening that I don't even know where to begin with.
19:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just too much.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too much, y'all.
19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, that sucked, and I look forward to gaining better understanding definitely.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, bye.