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Navarrete's domination, traveling to Barboza-Sims, and Vergil's legal woes · Boxing B-Sides

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  The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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  B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
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  The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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  -Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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  Alright. Timer is running. Holy shit. It is the
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  Boxing B -Sides. We're having a fucking roadhouse
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  of a day. Joined by Saul, the one and only. What's
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  up, guys? Happy to be back after two long weeks.
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  And Josh. What's up? Caddio man. Caddio man.
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  All right. Don't have a lot of MMA to recap.
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  But there has been some pretty monumental news.
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  This is like big in the sporting world in general.
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  Before we get to that, first things first, Matchroom
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  Talent Agency, this fresh new company that Eddie
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  Hearn stood up specifically to sign UFC heavyweight
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  champion Tom Aspinall to a management deal. It's
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  pretty obvious. This is Eddie Hearn's retaliation
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  to Conor Benn. All I can really take away from
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  this is if Eddie can get Tom the money he fucking
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  deserves, hopefully others will take notice.
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  And they don't necessarily have to sign with
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  Eddie, but they'll start negotiating for better
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  pay because, like, fuck UFC and their pay model.
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  Fuck him right in the fucking butt. But, yeah,
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  Tom Aspinall, he is now BFFs with Eddie Hearn.
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  So isn't that fun? Now, the UFC White House card.
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  The shit has been in the news since it was announced
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  like a fucking year ago. And the lineup has finally
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  been released. The event is called UFC... Freedom
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  250. Yeah, she's asked. Oh, my God. Bone nickel
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  on the card, right? Yes. Oh, man. So, I forget
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  what the term is for 250 years. It's like bi
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  -quintennial or whatever the fuck. I don't remember.
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  But that is the overall event. Freedom 250 is
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  the brand. Sestercentennial. Is that what it
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  is? Yes, or semi -quincentennial. Semi -quincentennial
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  is what I was trying to get at. Yeah, sestercentennial
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  is also, yeah. So the way that I liken it is
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  if I say September 11th, 2001, you know what
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  that day is. But if I say 9 -11, there's a whole
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  lot more that gets wrapped up into that, like
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  all the fucking music that came out, all the...
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  uh you're either with us or against us type of
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  talk all that bullshit that happened back then
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  so freedom 250 it's kind of what that is it's
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  unfortunate that they're commandeering my beloved
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  for this but let's go down the card real quick
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  at the top ilia taporia the lightweight champion
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  is going to be consolidating with Justin Gaethje,
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  the interim champ. Alex Pajera will be fighting
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  Cyril Ghosn for the interim heavyweight title.
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  The aforementioned Tom Aspinall is still recovering
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  from surgery. Yeah, from... Cyril Ghosn. Cyril
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  Ghosn. Yep. So, prayers up for AP's eyes. Sean
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  O'Malley, an all -American kid, bantamweight,
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  fighting Ayman Zahabi. My thinking here is that
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  they got a Middle Eastern dude to get beat up.
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  Because there are better options for Sean O'Malley
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  to face, but we got this. Yeah, I've heard of
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  a guy named Sandhagen that they want him to fight.
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  Yes, Corey Sandhagen is a very good choice. Mauricio
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  Hufi versus Michael Chandler. Michael Chandler's
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  a big MAGA dude, so no surprise there. Are you
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  going to get his ass beat? Yes. He's well past
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  his prime. Unfortunately for Mikey Chan, it's
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  not going to be a good night. Mikey Chan's great.
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  Bo Nickel. The aforementioned, he's like an all
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  -American Division I wrestler or whatever. So
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  naturally he's going to be on the card with the
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  fucking gimme opponent. And Diego Lopez versus
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  Steve Garcia. This is just an action fight. So,
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  fun. But there you have it. I do want to say
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  that it's funny that about all the rumors surrounding
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  the event. I'm pretty sure you guys... obviously
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  i've talked about this on ultimate fucking casual
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  shout out to isaac and nathan and leo over there
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  but it's funny how this card was played up to
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  be the biggest card not just of the year but
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  in ever year history yeah exactly you're talking
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  about john jones versus alex perea and then apparently
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  i even heard ilia tapuria versus makachev Yes,
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  that was all of the rumors of fights that fell
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  through, or a fight that fell through. Like,
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  Jon Jones was first AP. That was one of the big,
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  like, is it this one? But it was Ilya Zaporio
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  versus Islam Makachev. That was supposed to be
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  on here. And then I also heard that Conor McGregor,
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  his day got moved back fucking until July. He'll
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  be on a numbered event. like UFC 330 or something
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  like that, or 329. So he'll still be on a major
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  event, but just not this one. He just didn't
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  want to waste him on there. And one thing I do
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  want to say, I just want to point out to Matt,
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  again, I feel like they, I just want to go back
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  to the original point with Matt Strum and Tom
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  Aspinall. I just wanted to bring up that this
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  can shake up the whole entire UFC system. I mean,
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  it could pretty much become a union at that point
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  if they have Eddie Hearn, leading the charge
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  of negotiating fighter pay with Dana White. You
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  know, get them all paid their well -deserved
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  money. So, you know, I got to hand it to Eddie
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  Hurton. That's kind of fucking funny. Dana White
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  started this problem for himself by paying Conor
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  Benn 15 mil for a bullshit fight. He started
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  this. He's bringing this on himself. So it's
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  no surprise, like Sean O'Malley and others, like
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  Michael Venom Page, those have been two very
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  vocal critics of the Conor Benn signing. Understandably,
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  they're like, where's my 15 mil? All the work
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  that I put in, all the risks that I take to build
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  up not just myself, but to build up UFC as a
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  brand, where the fuck is my compensation? Yeah.
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  So, yeah. Rightfully so. Absolutely. I hope that
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  Tom Aspinall, like, I had said it kind of jokingly.
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  I've said it before. Like, is Eddie Hearn saving
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  American boxing? Now, is Eddie Hearn saving UFC?
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  Oh, my God. He is saving MMA. Is he saving MMA
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  right now? God. He might be killing UFC by the
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  way. Or at least Dana White's involvement in
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  the UFC. Cry me a river. Oh, yeah. That guy's
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  hilarious. Yeah, he can go turn tomato red somewhere
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  else. For me, what's paramount is fighter safety,
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  fighter compensation. These are the dudes that
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  are taking the risks, so they should be paid
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  for it. But anything more for... A little bit
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  of MMA news. All right. So like Saul, like you
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  mentioned, we're going to be talking about this
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  very extensively over on Ultimate F and Casuals.
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  So wherever you get podcasts, that's where you
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  can get that. Let's get into boxing news. Motherfucking
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  Virgil. We're starting off with your client.
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  Saul Goodman oh yeah so shout out Isaac the other
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  half of my Virgil bro my Virgil bro deal the
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  Virgil bromance yeah my Virgil bromance if Isaac
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  and Saul die Virgil has no more fans yeah that's
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  facts actually that's not facts because Virgil
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  has a lot of fans so fuck you guys I don't know
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  I think the Freudian slip was the first one So
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  the legal move which Virgil undertook as we understand
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  it under the advice of Rick Morigian. Is it Morigian
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  or Morigian? I've never heard his name said out
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  loud. Just Rick. Rick Motherfucker. Rick Butthead.
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  He advised Virgil to try to legally maneuvered
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  his way out of his Golden Boy contract so that
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  he could negotiate with Matchroom for the boots
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  fight. And the judge put a stop to it, has called
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  for arbitration. And in his clapback Thursday,
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  Oscar has, I don't know, take his word for whatever
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  you value it to be. He has said, like, I have
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  no ill will towards Virgil. It's just Rick is
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  a dickhead. This is just going to be, you're
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  going to burn up your capital fighting me in
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  court. So let's sit down and talk like men. I
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  don't know. Saul, you're the Virgil bro. What
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  do you got here? Well, as much as I'm very critical
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  of Golden Boy and Oscar himself, my point, my
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  standing is that it wasn't so much on the part
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  of Virgil, but more as manager that kind of fucked
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  him over. I did a little bit of research and
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  I got a feeling that since Oscar was kind of
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  losing the DA the DA zone contract that Rick
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  merging kind of saw the opportunity to break
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  away from a virtual break away from Oscar and
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  one of the clauses in virtual contract is that
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  the Oscar golden boy has to have a relationship
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  with a network now that relationship can either
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  be and I guess this will Oscar argued That a
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  relationship could be like a swerve TV. Yeah,
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  swerve TV. Or he's working with PBC, you know,
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  something. He could put Golden Boy on BLK Prime.
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  That could be considered a relationship with
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  the network. There just has to be an outlet for
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  Virgil's fights. Exactly, for boxing. Exactly.
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  And I think that's what screwed Virgil over.
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  I'm not going to say that Oscar is innocent because
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  Oscar is also holding Virgil back from a money
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  fight. Also, the fact that Virgil's only, I think,
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  max pay, this is kind of what started it, that
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  Virgil's max pay was $3 million guaranteed. When
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  he wanted more, he wanted to equal the pay he
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  got from the Madrigal fight, which was a Riyadh
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  season card, where if he went to Saudi Arabia,
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  he would be given more money. So there's a lot
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  of politics involved. So I see there's a lot
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  of... A lot of shit to go around. You know. Mainly
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  on a good portion of it on Rick Meridian. Yes.
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  That he does seem to be like the objectively
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  bad player in this whole fucking charade or act
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  that we have going on isn't. Didn't a matchroom
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  offer like 10 million plus guaranteed? I believe
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  so. Yes. But I think it was also a multi -fight
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  deal match. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it was. Which
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  included the boots fight. However, honestly,
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  I mean, again, we kind of see the writing on
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  the wall with Golden Boy. They're kind of going
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  out of business. It's unfortunate. Yeah, exactly.
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  It would be good for Virgil to leave, but his
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  contract's not up until, I believe, August of
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  2027. And if until that time, you know, he has
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  a couple little fights here and there, he could
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  ride it out and still make money. Versus if,
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  you know, he doesn't fight at all. He doesn't
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  Mike Garcia and just wait out his contract, you
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  know. Let the time run out. Yeah, let the time
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  run out. I mean, he loses two valuable years.
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  He could fight it out. Is it strictly time -based,
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  or is there like X number of fights and then
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  more time? His contract is up, I think, in August
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  2027. And that's at that point that he could
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  renegotiate or he could just find another promo.
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  I believe that's what I saw. And honestly, it's
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  kind of sad to see that potentially Virgil won't
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  be able to fight throughout all of 2027. Which
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  I believe, honestly, the only way he fights again
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  might be if he gets a shot at a title. Because
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  I even see myself that. I think Virgil's pretty,
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  pretty, what's the word? He's going to leave
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  Golden Boy. He's made it very public that he
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  is going to leave Golden Boy. He made a tweet
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  about it. You know, he's gone. He doesn't want
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  to work with Oscar anymore. So if he's trying
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  to sever the relationship, then I feel like he's,
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  instead of trying to negotiate with Golden Boy
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  for better pay and an extended contract, he's
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  just going to try to buy his way out. That's
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  what I see. That's my prediction. He's just going
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  to try to buy his way out through arbitration.
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  But I feel like Oscar's going to be petty and
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  just ride it out. Josh, how are you feeling?
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  No, I don't disagree. It's a rough situation
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  for Virgil to be in. As funny as the Virgil no
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  world title bit is, it's a shame he's not going
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  to be in the ring anytime soon as a result of
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  the legal troubles. Did it end up being true
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  that if he had just waited a week, he would have
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  been able to negotiate the boot swipe? Not sure.
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  That I hadn't heard. I did hear something about
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  how if he had just waited it out, he would have
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  been able to negotiate without getting into a
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  pile of shit. I think that was just from an independent
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  news outlet. It's unverified, but if it's true,
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  then my opinion flips. If that is true, that
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  he could have just waited a week, I'm going to
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  blame it on Rick and say Rick is a dickhead and
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  he misguided. Virgil to pull the trigger a little
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  too early. Exactly. 100%. And also, Golden Boy,
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  Oscar himself is not vindicated from it, or is
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  not free from hate, because honestly, the stuff
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  that he says on his Cloudback Thursdays, I mean,
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  that can also hinder on the ability to get a
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  fight for Virgil, for talking all this smack
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  about Eddie. And everybody else throwing caca
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  at everybody. Especially his dad. Exactly. If
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  you can't land a version of the fight, that's
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  also from, yes, the manager, but also from a
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  promoter's standpoint as well. You're not able
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  to get your fight or that fight. You can't throw
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  your weight around. Oscar doesn't have any weight.
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  No, not anymore. I mean, really, why would PBC
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  want to fight Virgil if the WBC is not going
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  to mandate it? Sebastian Fundora is just going
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  to fight Errol Spence, as they've been trying
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  to do. That's not even a joke, seriously. They're
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  going to have Sebastian Fundora fight Thurman,
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  and most likely the winner between Zhu and Spence,
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  probably if Spence wins. If Spence wins, it's
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  going to be Fundora -Spence, yes. Exactly. And
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  they're going to make a big old thing about it
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  saying Spence is back. But that's some bullshit
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  because Virgil's been the number one guy at the
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  WBC. He got the interim title. So I don't wish
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  bad on Sebastian Fundora. I don't. I don't want
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  him to be injured because he's a great fighter.
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  And this is just the politics of where he's at.
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  But the only way for Virgil to get that WBC title
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  is if Fundora gets injured and is out for...
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  A year. Or. If Thurman. Wins and retires. On
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  top of the title. That's the only way Virgil
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  is going to be able to get that. WBC trinket.
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  Because otherwise. He ain't seen shit. He should
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  vacate. And honestly. And this might be. This
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  might piss some people off. It might piss Isaac
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  off a little bit too. So. Sorry. But. Virgil
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  is probably the best case for Zufa. That's probably
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  the best fighter they can get. Because if I were
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  Virgil, I would be pissed at how my promoters
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  were working, how these belt organizations are
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  treating me, knowing I'm the best guy in this
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  division, but I'm getting screwed over. You'd
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  have to move up to 160. He's going to have to
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  beat fucking Callum Walsh. 160 will have a much
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  easier... But even then, for the WBC, I mean,
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  that's getting... That's Adame's. That's Adame's
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  and Ramos' land right there, you know? I mean,
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  come on. If Virgil really wanted the title, honestly,
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  the only way he's going to get it is through
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  injury or he goes to Zufa. And he says, fuck
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  you to everybody else. And honestly, I'm not
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  going to say I wouldn't blame him because I would
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  kind of turn my back on Virgil for that. That's
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  still bullshit, but that would make sense. That's
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  a cardinal saying, he's going to Zufa. Exactly.
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  But that would make sense. Why? Because he's
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  getting fucked. You're not a champion. You're
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  a guy that's getting screwed over politics. You
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  know? I've said for quite some time it's it's
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  weird how WBC is often I don't know if it's often
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  but it's From what I've gathered, like in my
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  journeys, my travels online and everything, it
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  seems to be held as like the most prestigious
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  title that you could get. Yeah. But they are
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  the most fucky with their rules. Like being an
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  interim champ. Now, say what you want about UFC.
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  Justin Gaethje won the interim title because
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  Ilya Teporia. had legal issues so he was like
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  dealing with a divorce and custody battle for
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  his kid it was looking like he was going to be
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  out for the majority of the year he ends up getting
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  his stuff settled and now they're consolidating
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  it immediately now how long has virgil had the
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  interim title how many fights has he how many
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  times has he defended the interim title like
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  what the fuck does that even mean um it's That
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  is where world championship aspirations go to
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  die is WBC interim belt holder. Just me, me,
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  I don't know, just calling it like I see it.
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  WBC is pretty fucking scummy with their interim
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  stuff. Worse than WBA, maybe. Is that too much?
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  Is that a... A little bit too far? That's a bit
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  too much. Yeah, you're right. Still. Virgil deserves
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  better. I think if he goes to arbitration, if
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  he is truly determined to get out of his golden
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  boy situation, I wonder if Eddie Hearn would
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  be willing to put up the cash to buy him out.
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  That comes with... Just because you get more
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  out of him than the boots fight? Absolutely.
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  You have him on a multi -fight deal. Yeah, you
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  have a guy. You don't only get the boots fight,
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  super fight out of it. You get the right to Virgil's
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  rebuild. You get the boots rematch. Or if he
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  wins, you get the right... If he wins, you get
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  a new Mexican star. yeah like you either like
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  there's no loss because virgil filling in an
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  undercard on the rebuild is having him as your
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  co -main like what a what a sales pitch so easy
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  every time every time it's and you don't and
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  the thing is that like you get him at an all
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  -time low in value because this is a guy who
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  has trouble show who has had trouble showing
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  up to a fight uh who has not been in the spotlight
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  for ages right Like, you buy low on him, and
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  you just get all the value. Well, I'll tell you
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  this. You put Bam and Virgil, dual headline in
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  Texas. You're selling out that much. No, that
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  sells, dude. That sells. Bam and Virgil in Texas?
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  That is like, that would be to me. The second
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  iteration, there used to be Triple G and Roman
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  Gonzalez. It was the big drama show and the little
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  drama show. Virgil and Bam, that's fucking 2
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  .0. That's it right there. Let's keep it rolling
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  here. USA Boxing, the amateur system in the States,
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  withdraws their support for the Oli Revival Act.
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  uh naturally this is a good thing the only thing
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  i'm curious about is what is the rationale i
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  that's all i want i just want to hear what the
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  thinking process was why did you support it in
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  the first place and why are you withdrawing support
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  now uh you know it i'm more than happy to see
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  another like a big power player as an opponent
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  to this i just want to hear the thinking that's
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  all What's your theory, Leo? I think Shanada
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  had it right when she said they actually read
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  the thing. All you gotta do is read it. It sounds
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  great on the surface. All the numbers and the
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  minimums and all that stuff sounds great on the
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  surface. In broader context, not that great for
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  boxing. Professional boxing, I'll say. Man, this
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  is actually a good time to put your plan into
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  motion. So let's see if we can get somebody from
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  USA Boxing to talk about it. Comment on this.
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  Yeah. Just give me a blurb. I'll take it. We'll
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  see. Even anybody. Yeah. I would love to hear
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  from the athletes. Did they read it? Did somebody
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  brief them on it? What's the deal here? You do
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  a good interview. But like I said to Shanada,
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  all you had to do was call Lux Media. Bitch,
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  I fucking read the thing. I watched all of it.
• 26:28
  All of us read the thing. We all read it. We,
• 26:31
  I, I, I did. I know I posted the videos for you
• 26:34
  guys. I don't know if you watched them, but all
• 26:35
  of the house committee hearings and sessions
• 26:38
  for the revival act, I watched like fucking hours
• 26:42
  of congressional hearings. And they weren't even
• 26:48
  hiding it. Like what, how bad this was going
• 26:51
  to be. No, the, I honestly was pretty upset that
• 26:56
  they got Muhammad Ali's wife to speak in support
• 26:59
  of it. I think they gave her the surface level.
• 27:03
  Like, look, we're going to increase fighter minimums
• 27:06
  and insurance and things like that. And doctors.
• 27:09
  Yeah. It sounds good. It sounds great. It does
• 27:12
  sound good. Like, it sounds good when you obfuscate
• 27:14
  all the, like, the real purpose and... how you're
• 27:21
  gonna get there what are the third and fourth
• 27:23
  order effects of what we're trying to accomplish
• 27:26
  with this yeah like yeah yeah surface level like
• 27:28
  yeah fighter minimums but i'm like this is gonna
• 27:30
  this opens the door to basically permanently
• 27:33
  curtail fighter maximums yeah and destroy small
• 27:38
  and destroy small promoters by putting a lot
• 27:41
  of the costs on them instead of the commission
• 27:43
  you destroy entry level is dead You destroy small
• 27:50
  promoters and you basically gain the power to
• 27:55
  curtail fighter maximums. And you create, when
• 28:00
  you kill the grassroots, you create a scenario
• 28:03
  like UFC has now, where they have, if you go
• 28:10
  to UFC Fight Pass, they have like 15 fucking
• 28:13
  promotions that all fight on UFC Fight Pass.
• 28:16
  And they're all farm leagues. That's all it is.
• 28:19
  So you're going to have the astroturfing of UBOs
• 28:24
  or small -time promoters that just feed into
• 28:29
  Zufa or whoever else. Yeah. But let's keep it
• 28:37
  rolling. This is the news the world has been
• 28:41
  waiting for. Tony Yoka, Lauren Ciccoli. April
• 28:46
  25th in Paris. Please contain your excitement.
• 28:52
  This might be the worst fight ever. Yeah? It's
• 28:57
  pretty goddamn bad. Yeah. Like... Like, this...
• 29:02
  Like, genuinely, like, Yoka is... Hot dog shit.
• 29:06
  He's not... He's terrible. And Okoli, like, is...
• 29:10
  Cold dog shit. Is an affront to the sport. Yeah,
• 29:17
  he is. Like, it's like, if you pay money to watch
• 29:21
  him, you are part of the problem with this sport.
• 29:26
  You're kind of a chud. You are a chud. You deserve
• 29:29
  what you get. It's going to be a bad fight. Like,
• 29:32
  that money is better spent on Zufa than Lawrence
• 29:35
  or Coley. Honestly, go get a meth head hooker
• 29:39
  at that point. A good Zufa fighter? Yeah, like,
• 29:42
  dude, I've seen better, I've seen more entertaining
• 29:45
  fights on Street Peeps. Like, please. You'll
• 29:47
  probably have more fun on heroin. You'll probably
• 29:49
  have more fun in a homeless restroom wiping your
• 29:53
  butt on a toilet seat. I mean, this fight's horrible.
• 29:59
  Lawrence Coley and Tony Oka. I need Lawrence
• 30:04
  Coley to step up and get knocked out. Please.
• 30:07
  I'm over it. You could Lawrence Coley and Tony
• 30:11
  Oka and show. He's probably the only fighter
• 30:16
  I've seen who, like, Has promotional issues.
• 30:18
  Not because he's difficult to work with. Or a
• 30:22
  bad person. Or particularly bad. But because
• 30:25
  he's like. He's so. Just. Awful. To watch. That
• 30:32
  like. There is nobody who wants to see him. Not
• 30:37
  even his whole family. Would go watch him fight.
• 30:41
  Yeah. It's horrible. I remember. This was several
• 30:50
  years ago at this point. I had worked an overnight
• 30:54
  shift at a data center. And I would get home.
• 31:00
  They had unlimited overtime. So I was getting
• 31:03
  home at like... I got off. My shift ended at
• 31:05
  like 7. I'm getting home at like 1. Just because
• 31:09
  of that sweet, sweet money. But I got home. And
• 31:13
  Tony Yoko was fighting Martin Bacoli. And I had
• 31:18
  been having trouble. I had not at that point
• 31:22
  gotten like a sleep mask or blackout curtains.
• 31:25
  So I was having trouble sleeping. I put on Tony
• 31:28
  Yoka, Martin Bacoli. Man, I was out like a light.
• 31:32
  It's beautiful. Thank you, Tony Yoka. Moving.
• 31:40
  Two wrongs might make a right. You guys may never
• 31:43
  know. It might be a banger fight. You might be
• 31:46
  onto something here. Tony Yoka not being gun
• 31:49
  -shy because he's not scared of, like, offense
• 31:51
  coming back at him. Who knows? This might be
• 31:55
  the recipe. It might be the greatest fight in
• 31:58
  French history. We don't say this often, but
• 32:04
  just put this shit on the background while you
• 32:06
  do something else. If you're going to watch this
• 32:08
  fight, just put it on the background. Netflix
• 32:10
  and chill, just Tony Yoka and Loris Chloe and
• 32:13
  chill. Like, come on. This is pathetic. Yeah.
• 32:19
  Is this pathetic? Mario Barrios has announced
• 32:22
  his move to 154. Whatever. Sure. Yeah. He's going
• 32:32
  to get his ass kicked a few times and then retire.
• 32:35
  You know what's going to happen? You know what,
• 32:37
  man? Put him with Virgil for his first fight
• 32:39
  with Matchroom. And that's not... They're going
• 32:42
  to do Sebastian Vandoro versus Mario Barrios.
• 32:44
  And they're going to fight until the draw. No
• 32:48
  way. Vandoro will beat the absolute piss out
• 32:52
  of Mario Barrios. It's not happening. Like, Barrios
• 32:54
  is... Oh, my God. Like, he should have gone straight
• 32:57
  to 160 if he wanted any type of success. Should
• 33:01
  have gone to Zufa. Former world champion Mario
• 33:07
  Barrios. But yeah, this is not... This ain't
• 33:15
  it, man. You weren't very good at 147. Now you're
• 33:19
  moving up to a division where the guys are a
• 33:21
  lot... Not a lot, but they're bigger than you.
• 33:23
  And a lot better. They're a lot stronger. And
• 33:27
  yeah, they're better. This shit ain't it, man.
• 33:30
  You got a kid. You need to reconsider your choices
• 33:33
  here. Or don't. Manny Pacquiao Jr., his fight
• 33:45
  on February 28th was canceled, and it has been
• 33:49
  moved to April 3rd. He will be on the Tataran
• 33:52
  Perez undercard. Manny Pacquiao Jr. is not very
• 33:59
  good. Just for the sake of his father, I'm giving
• 34:03
  him the little time that I have right now. Moving
• 34:08
  on. Iceland. Manny Pacquiao Jr. is as good of
• 34:12
  a boxer as Manny Pacquiao Sr. is as a politician.
• 34:17
  That's giving too much credit to Jr. I was going
• 34:21
  to say that's giving too much credit to Pacquiao
• 34:23
  the politician. Either way, that's a fucking
• 34:28
  dunk. He's about as good as Campbell Hatton.
• 34:31
  That's what I was going to say. You remember
• 34:35
  Campbell Hatton, co -main. On a pay -per -view
• 34:39
  fighter. Excellent. Iceland will be hosting its
• 34:46
  first ever professional boxing event on April
• 34:50
  10th. The headline, Icelandic Viking Kolbin Kristiansen
• 34:56
  will be facing Austrian Sasha Milenkovic. Heavyweights.
• 35:03
  I hope the crowd's good. Yeah. I really think
• 35:07
  Reykjavik is going to show out for their, like,
• 35:12
  it's their home guy, right? So I think they're
• 35:14
  going to come out. I hope they can tap into a
• 35:17
  new market. Hopefully Iceland might just love
• 35:20
  Bakken so much they just become mega fans. A
• 35:23
  new Germany without the questionable judging.
• 35:26
  Would love to see it. I thought you were going
• 35:29
  to say a new Germany without the questionable
• 35:30
  history. No, Iceland's got some fun history too.
• 35:36
  Yeah, goddamn Vikings. Questionable decisions.
• 35:43
  Sam Eggington will be returning on May 2nd against
• 35:47
  Kona Walker. God. You know, at least they made
• 35:52
  Ted Cheeseman Sam Eggington ever. Those two should
• 35:58
  fight each other. Just in perpetuity. As long
• 36:01
  as they want to continue fighting professionally,
• 36:03
  they have to fight each other. Yeah, Cheeseman
• 36:05
  and Eggington. That was there. That was when
• 36:11
  this gimmick peaked. Have the referee named like
• 36:15
  Ham or Bacon or something. Bacon, Egg, and Cheese.
• 36:21
  Bacon, Egg, and Cheese. The Bacon, Egg, and Cheese
• 36:25
  on May 2nd. All right. Ping, everyone. David
• 36:34
  Allen versus... He is teasing a quote -unquote
• 36:38
  world -class opponent. The frontrunner is Ji
• 36:42
  Lei Zhang. That's going to be a hilarious fight,
• 36:48
  man. Two guys who are terrible, fat, and out
• 36:52
  of shape. Actually, that's... Desang isn't terrible.
• 36:56
  He's just out of shape. Old. Old, out of shape,
• 37:00
  doesn't drink water on fight week. Dave Allen
• 37:05
  shows up. He's got the jokes to prove that he's
• 37:10
  hydrated. Oh, man. Oh, my God. Shows up looking
• 37:21
  like the Michelin Man dude. these years trainers
• 37:26
  like Dave Allen's in fantastic shape and I'm
• 37:28
  like he showed up at a career high weight that's
• 37:32
  um who promotes like I guess Queensbury like
• 37:37
  the Allen's matchroom matchroom so it's been
• 37:41
  Eddie that's been in the in the headlines saying
• 37:43
  like oh if uh David Allen he's he's been more
• 37:47
  dialed in than I've ever seen him and he's he's
• 37:50
  really Eager to prove that he still has it. Like,
• 37:53
  that type of shit. I don't know if I believe
• 37:56
  that. Guy who never had it. Has suddenly found
• 37:59
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• 38:12
  Last bit. We'll find drugs. Just on the nose.
• 38:18
  It's all perfect. Last bit. Haney and Rolly Romero
• 38:25
  are in, quote, late -stage serious talks for
• 38:30
  a unification fight. Man, Rolly Romero continues
• 38:35
  to overachieve. I need him to win this one with
• 38:39
  Haney, too. That would be the funniest thing
• 38:42
  in the world. I'm telling you this. There's a
• 38:46
  path for Rolly undisputed. There is. Roley undisputed
• 38:52
  before Virgil Ortiz belt is probably the best
• 38:57
  thing that will ever become reality. I'm confident
• 39:04
  Roley beats Lewis Crocker. I would agree with
• 39:07
  that. Roley beats Crocker. It's literally just
• 39:11
  Haney, and then he can probably beat Ryan again.
• 39:14
  Or he has a chance of beating Ryan. It's just,
• 39:19
  I'd laugh so hard. I would say, like a grieving,
• 39:29
  mourning flowers to Virgil. Like, your career's
• 39:34
  fucking over, bro. Brawley is undisputed before
• 39:37
  you got a title. Get the fuck out of here, dude.
• 39:40
  Call it quits. It's over. Yeah, what I can hope
• 39:52
  for from Haney is he displays what he did at
• 39:57
  the beginning of the Brian Norman fight, where
• 40:00
  he showed that he can be entertaining. And what
• 40:06
  he also demonstrated in the latter half of that
• 40:08
  fight is that he just chooses not to be engaging.
• 40:15
  For that reason, I hope Raleigh wins. And then
• 40:16
  Raleigh's going to knock him out. Oh, God. I
• 40:21
  would send him, like, money or something. And
• 40:23
  we're going to cry laughing. Yeah. We're going
• 40:25
  to cry laughing. At everyone, like, ten fucking
• 40:29
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• 40:36
  Three -division champion? God, you're right.
• 40:40
  Three -division champion. No, he's not unified.
• 40:44
  Wait, was he a champ at 135? I think he was interim,
• 40:50
  right? Interim. So 140 and 147. Yeah, but for
• 40:55
  the propaganda, we can make it work. For the
• 40:58
  purposes of dunking on Haney, yes, three -division
• 41:01
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• 41:09
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• 41:15
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• 41:18
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• 44:29
  co -main. Ruben Aguilar. gets the corner stoppage
• 44:33
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• 44:37
  after the fifth. This, as Shanada pointed out,
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• 44:51
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• 44:56
  not a lot of back and forth. Yeah. Man, they
• 45:02
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• 45:06
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• 45:10
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• 45:18
  Pacquiao promotions in Verona, New York. The
• 45:22
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• 45:28
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• 45:32
  But I was here for Kermel Moten gets the corner
• 45:36
  stoppage after the second. The shit was not even
• 45:40
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• 45:48
  about all I got. Yeah. Did he? Wait. Did he weigh
• 45:56
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• 46:01
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• 46:08
  18. Fucking ridiculous. Yeah, he weighed in 142
• 46:13
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• 46:24
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• 46:34
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• 46:38
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• 46:42
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  don't really remember who all these people are.
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  $25 Michelob Ultras were really hitting the spot.
• 46:56
  Raman Muhammad stops Mitchell McFadden in two.
• 47:01
  Hector Beltran, UD over Cesar Diaz. This young
• 47:05
  man was impressive. Philip Vela, UD over Brian
• 47:08
  Ramos. I know it was Philip Vela because I got
• 47:13
  a ticket in the Philip Vela fan section. Nice.
• 47:17
  So I got to sit next to his grandma and grandpa,
• 47:20
  and they were very proud of their young man.
• 47:25
  As he should have been. But after that, like
• 47:29
  all the Vela people just went up and got shithoused
• 47:34
  and then they came back for the main event. So
• 47:38
  that was fun. Let's see. Oscar Alvarez, UD over
• 47:43
  Treaty Ochoa. Arturo Popoca split draw with Jordan
• 47:49
  Martinez. Martinez was a local kid. So the crowd
• 47:54
  did not appreciate that he got a draw. However,
• 47:57
  I think the draw kind of saved him from losing.
• 48:02
  So count your blessings, people. Um, Abel Ramos
• 48:10
  split decision over to mere smalls. This was
• 48:15
  like this for unks all across the country. Abel
• 48:19
  Ramos, you did it for us. Uh, God damn, that
• 48:23
  was great. Tamir Smalls started off nicely. Abel
• 48:28
  Ramos. Not going to say there was a tipsy guy
• 48:31
  in the crowd shouting to pressure him. And that
• 48:35
  pressure. Go on, my son. Go on, my son. Pressure.
• 48:38
  Go on, my son. Pressure behind the jab. Work
• 48:41
  in. Get underneath. Work the body. Not going
• 48:43
  to say that's what did it. But we all saw what
• 48:47
  happened. Go on, my son. Emiliano Vargas. Corner
• 48:55
  stoppage after the ninth over Agustin Quintana.
• 49:00
  Apparently, the corner had been telling him for
• 49:04
  a few rounds at that point, like, hey, you're
• 49:08
  taking too much punishment. We're not going to
• 49:11
  let this continue. So they finally pulled the
• 49:14
  plug. Agustin was not happy, as one might expect.
• 49:18
  But Emiliano Vargas was whooping that ass. Miliano,
• 49:24
  that was, I'm not gonna lie, that was a tough
• 49:26
  fight for Miliano. Yeah, he had to find new gears.
• 49:30
  Yeah, and he showed some strength, but he also
• 49:33
  showed what he also needs to work on. Yeah. A
• 49:36
  little more so than even his last fight. This
• 49:39
  fight was, I mean, I gotta admit, the guy that
• 49:41
  he was fighting was tough. Tough SOB. Yeah, but
• 49:47
  you didn't, looking at the guy, you probably
• 49:49
  wouldn't know. You wouldn't expect him to be
• 49:52
  tough. Unexpectedly tough, I would say. And Emiliano
• 49:57
  put up a good fight, and we'll see where he goes
• 50:00
  from here. But I'm glad he got through it, got
• 50:03
  the knockout. It looked great. Do you think this
• 50:08
  was a case of Team Vargas picking an opponent
• 50:12
  that they maybe underestimated? Because, look,
• 50:18
  this guy Quintana is from Argentina. and maybe
• 50:22
  i don't know y 'all must have forgot but argentina
• 50:25
  has like a really deep roots in boxing oh yeah
• 50:29
  like they their records are very misleading yes
• 50:35
  i wonder if that's if that's what happened is
• 50:41
  like they tried to pick a showcase and instead
• 50:45
  they put on a competitive compelling fight Rather
• 50:50
  than a highlight reel, but c 'est la vie. In
• 50:58
  the main event, Emmanuel Navarrete stops Eduardo
• 51:05
  Nunez in the 11th to unify the WBO and IBF super
• 51:11
  featherweight titles. Saul, you were a Nunez
• 51:14
  guy. You and I. What did you see Nunez? What
• 51:20
  went wrong for Nunez? I feel like Nunez early
• 51:25
  on didn't put the pressure on enough. He kept
• 51:28
  going on the back foot. And I guess Navarrete,
• 51:32
  that's not really a good idea with the size,
• 51:36
  the length that he has, and the awkwardness he
• 51:39
  has in his arsenal. Going on the back foot is
• 51:43
  probably one of the dumbest things to do if you're
• 51:46
  not. a slick fighter and nunez unfortunately
• 51:52
  one i to me it seemed like he wanted to feel
• 51:55
  out navarrete and try to see how he fight try
• 51:59
  to like figure him out and he got pummeled bad
• 52:04
  and i want to be on about you guys but i don't
• 52:10
  care what anybody says nunez showed tremendous
• 52:12
  heart in that fight he went, he got up as I was
• 52:15
  busted up and he still wanted to continue that
• 52:18
  last round. They had to stop the fight for him.
• 52:21
  You know? Yeah, you're right. He was absolutely
• 52:23
  courageous. And by the end, I was just kind of
• 52:28
  saying, stop the fight, dude. It's, it's, it's
• 52:30
  over. You know, he just go, go on and fight another
• 52:33
  day. You go, you take the loss and you already
• 52:37
  have a loss on your record. You know, you're
• 52:39
  not gonna be undefeated no matter what. Take
• 52:42
  the loss and just come back another day. You
• 52:44
  can in the future get a title again. You're not
• 52:48
  horrible. It was funny. My girlfriend was crying
• 52:51
  because I was kind of hyping up Nunez to her.
• 52:55
  She was somehow busted up and the music they
• 52:58
  were playing too was emotional. Very beautiful
• 53:02
  Mexican ballad. I was like, man, that's fucked,
• 53:06
  dude. I was like, this shit happens on the regular
• 53:09
  in boxing. Yeah, you should see what happens
• 53:13
  to Virgil. Shed some tears for him. I'm good.
• 53:19
  But, you know. Tears of laughter. Shut up. Shut
• 53:23
  up. But, no, no. It was, it was, he showed tremendous
• 53:28
  heart. And I got to give it to Nevin. I did not
• 53:31
  expect him to have, still have that in him. He
• 53:36
  looked great. Fighting on the outside and on
• 53:39
  the inside. I'm just, I was kind of left in shock.
• 53:44
  I was like, shock. I don't know he had that anime
• 53:47
  anymore. I know if you go into Discord and you
• 53:50
  check the gifs and you type in bowing or we're
• 53:55
  not worthy, for me, the Wayne's World gif comes
• 53:59
  up of them like, we're not worthy of their idols.
• 54:04
  Yeah, I see it. To me, that's what Nav did. I
• 54:08
  was writing with Nunez. I wanted... some comeuppance
• 54:13
  for nav never taking things seriously um like
• 54:19
  i i just wanted it i wanted that road to run
• 54:21
  out that's it um and i had hoped nunez would
• 54:26
  be able to do it but man like as you put it uh
• 54:30
  i think he was starstruck um the the lights of
• 54:36
  being in a like 15 000 packed arena Main event.
• 54:43
  Unification. Vaquero Navarrete is in front of
• 54:47
  you. Like, bro, I've never been in a situation
• 54:50
  like this. Like, not even close. And I think
• 54:53
  that it got to his head a little bit. But, yeah.
• 54:58
  Josh, what do you got? Nav. Damn, Nav looked
• 55:01
  good. Nav looked good. He looked in shape, which
• 55:07
  is... Nutritionist Nav. Yeah, I was about to
• 55:11
  say, like, damn, that's the difference that actually,
• 55:14
  like, eating well and not slamming, like, Mexican
• 55:18
  Cokes two weeks before your fucking fight looks
• 55:21
  like? Jesus Christ. Liam Wilson would like a
• 55:25
  run back. Yeah, like, Jesus Christ, man. Where
• 55:31
  was this earlier? Yeah. Man, this is, uh... This
• 55:39
  is a scary prospect, I think, if he continues
• 55:42
  to do the strength and conditioning, the nutritional
• 55:48
  stuff. This is a fucking totally different beast.
• 55:53
  Working out and... Actually exercising. Doing
• 56:01
  your job as a professional athlete and you look
• 56:04
  this much better? Jesus Christ. Would have figured.
• 56:08
  Oh, my God. Yeah, like over on Boxing Before
• 56:14
  Dark, we had joked. I think I told you guys that
• 56:18
  Punch the Little Monkey would pick Nav. Yeah,
• 56:21
  we talked about it. We did. But those fucking
• 56:25
  gorilla arms with this version, Navarrete owes
• 56:32
  Charlie Suarez the rematch. That was like the
• 56:35
  promise that you step aside for this unification.
• 56:38
  You'll get a shot at the two belts if I win.
• 56:41
  And that's what's next. Suarez stood a chance
• 56:48
  because he's mad decent. And also that Nav wasn't
• 56:54
  doing the stuff that he did for this. Do you
• 56:58
  think that is Charlie Suarez enough of an opponent
• 57:01
  to get Nav up and going, like to have that same
• 57:06
  motivation? I don't know. Like, that's just...
• 57:11
  Damn, it's nice when he's not eating, like, bomack
• 57:14
  before a fight. Oh, my God. But besides Charlie
• 57:19
  Suarez, he called for Oshaki Foster. And that
• 57:25
  takes, like, a special level of confidence. Oshaki
• 57:29
  Foster is your textbook outfighter. He's slick,
• 57:36
  mobile. long jab nav also has long ass arms so
• 57:41
  he might be able to work past that nonetheless
• 57:45
  like it's like that come forward rumbler like
• 57:50
  nav oh shaki foster's like the fucking kryptonite
• 57:54
  for that man and that's that's like the one of
• 57:59
  the first names out of his mouth i think i got
• 58:02
  shaki for that fight if i do too I, so do I,
• 58:07
  I'm going to be hoping nav can pull it off, but
• 58:10
  I, yeah, I think Foster's going to win as much
• 58:15
  as I'd like nav to win, but Hey, you guys, uh,
• 58:19
  Hey Eddie, um, bring that one back to Phoenix.
• 58:23
  We can, uh, we can, uh, make it work. I guarantee
• 58:30
  you one ticket sale. Okay, so we got Nav. He's
• 58:39
  got a rematch Suarez. He called for Oshaki Foster.
• 58:46
  And the other title holder is Jazza Dickens.
• 58:51
  Well, Jazza for about... Is it this week? Yeah.
• 58:57
  We'll be talking about it in a minute. Jazza
• 58:59
  for about the rest of this week. Unless he beats
• 59:04
  Kakachi. He's not beating Kakachi, but that's...
• 59:07
  The Britslayer? Yeah, like, Britslayer Supreme,
• 59:13
  come on. Guac is included. Britslayer Supreme.
• 59:23
  Nunez. I think... Saul, you put it well. Nunez...
• 59:29
  As long as Nav is in the picture, maybe not.
• 59:33
  But Nunez will get a title again. He could go
• 59:37
  for one of the other ones. But we know IBF likes
• 59:40
  to recycle their guys. So if he stays in the
• 59:43
  IBF ecosystem, he's going to get another shot.
• 59:47
  Oh, yeah. So regardless, I would like to see
• 59:52
  how Nunez rebuilds from here. Because you got
• 59:56
  the jitters out. You heard the big crowd. You
• 1:00:01
  got the big lights. Let's get serious now. Let's
• 1:00:07
  bring it back. Yeah, let's bring it back around.
• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:20
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  them. Friday, March 13th in our previews. Probox
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  TV. They have a card every weekend until mid
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  -April. Fucking yes. We are eating. We are feasting.
• 1:04:25
  So yeah, this one's in Kissimmee, Florida. There
• 1:04:29
  are some Probox alum on here. Nachi Lopez versus
• 1:04:34
  Manuel Gallegos in the main event. Dominic Valle.
• 1:04:38
  in the co -main, and his fucking compatriot Kenyon
• 1:04:44
  is further down the bill. But pro box good. Well,
• 1:04:53
  man, we've been getting the spectrum. We've been
• 1:05:00
  getting the usual highly competitive 50 -50 matchups.
• 1:05:07
  We've gotten the decision -heavy cards. We've
• 1:05:10
  gotten knockout -heavy cards. Fucking one -sided
• 1:05:13
  cards. Like, man, Pro Box is really flexing.
• 1:05:18
  Saturday, March 14th. Queensberry at the Three
• 1:05:23
  Arena in Dublin. This is your Who's Who of Britslop.
• 1:05:29
  There are some fun -ish names on here. Let's
• 1:05:34
  see. Gary Coley is facing... Benito Sanchez,
• 1:05:38
  17 -17 -4 is his record. I would appreciate if
• 1:05:45
  you two could go to his box record real quick.
• 1:05:50
  Because I have a theory about who Benito Sanchez
• 1:05:55
  is. He's a very ginger... Mexican. He's freckly
• 1:06:03
  and red hair and everything. Yeah, I'm looking
• 1:06:05
  at his box rec right now. He's a symmetrical
• 1:06:08
  record. Yeah, he does. He does have one. Yes.
• 1:06:12
  Canelito has a symmetrical record. So what I
• 1:06:16
  think, if you look at his most recent, like,
• 1:06:18
  ten fucking fights, they're all in the UK. They're
• 1:06:22
  all scoring referee points decisions that he
• 1:06:25
  loses. Here... is my theory on Benito Sanchez.
• 1:06:31
  He is a Mexican fighter that they bring to the
• 1:06:36
  UK to lose. They bring him there to be beaten
• 1:06:41
  by British fighters so that they can get over
• 1:06:45
  the mental hump of facing a Mexican. That's true.
• 1:06:50
  I genuinely think that that's what he's for.
• 1:06:52
  That's what he's doing. That's his purpose. Little
• 1:06:56
  Canelo. Gary Coley got fucking sparked. There's
• 1:07:03
  a guy named Rocky Israel refereeing one of these
• 1:07:06
  points losses. Truth is stranger than fiction.
• 1:07:13
  Now, Gary Coley got smoked by Jose Felix. Yeah,
• 1:07:19
  who is not great. No, he's not. And he is like
• 1:07:23
  eight inches shorter than Gary Coley in everything.
• 1:07:27
  Cully had all the advantages. I think Benito
• 1:07:31
  is the practice fighter. See, you can beat a
• 1:07:40
  Mexican. See, you just did it. So you can beat
• 1:07:43
  a Mexican, yeah. You can beat Mexicans. They're
• 1:07:46
  not all that scary. Look at him. You just beat
• 1:07:48
  him. Curiously, Jono Carroll's still fighting?
• 1:07:52
  Yeah, the angry leprechaun is still doing it.
• 1:07:57
  I remember he had, like, a knockout of the year
• 1:08:00
  contender. And it was, like, in January of, like,
• 1:08:03
  2016 or something. Just a random thought. Yeah,
• 1:08:09
  probably. Mark Chamberlain still doing it. Jesus,
• 1:08:14
  they pulled out every washed up Brit for this.
• 1:08:19
  Kakashi's lining all of them up in a row. Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  like, I was about to say, like, damn. Kakachi
• 1:08:25
  really owns this fucking country. But, yep, main
• 1:08:31
  event. Jazza Dickens, the WBA super featherweight
• 1:08:35
  champ versus 7th ranked Anthony Kakachi. I don't
• 1:08:44
  really have a lot to say. Honestly, Benito was
• 1:08:47
  more fun than, like, the rest of the shit. When
• 1:08:54
  I was doing Boxing Before Dark, we both kind
• 1:08:59
  of stopped. Benito Sanchez, 17, 17, and 4. What
• 1:09:03
  the fuck is this? Yeah, five knockouts on each
• 1:09:06
  wins and losses. Man, he's just the best. He
• 1:09:12
  might be my new fucking pet favorite. Just the
• 1:09:18
  most random person you could fucking fall for.
• 1:09:21
  Oh, yeah. Moving on. Saturday, March 14th continues
• 1:09:27
  with Golden Boy at the Honda Center in Anaheim,
• 1:09:31
  California. Starting us off, Pedo Diaz versus
• 1:09:35
  Alexis Rocha. Fucking Diaz has been undersized
• 1:09:40
  since he moved up from 130. And now he's fighting
• 1:09:44
  at fucking welterweight. Alexis Rocha is not
• 1:09:48
  the best welterweight that you could encounter,
• 1:09:50
  but he's also not the worst. This is a fucking
• 1:09:54
  mistake on DS. Shanada put it... Are we trying...
• 1:10:00
  Is somebody trying to get a diddler killed? Because
• 1:10:05
  that's kind of what it looks like. Well, yes.
• 1:10:14
  The world's smallest violin playing for the diddler.
• 1:10:18
  Sorry. Don't care. Ari won't play violin. He
• 1:10:21
  can just go straight to fucking hell. Moving
• 1:10:24
  on to someone who does deserve all the violence,
• 1:10:28
  Gabriela Fandora, the undisputed flyweight champ
• 1:10:32
  versus Viviana Ruiz. I consider myself quite
• 1:10:38
  the degenerate to include the mighty minis and
• 1:10:42
  the women's side. I don't know who this woman
• 1:10:45
  is. I'm expecting Fandora is going to whoop that
• 1:10:49
  ass. That's about it. Yeah, she built ass knockout.
• 1:10:52
  Classic Gabi. So, I had this conversation with
• 1:11:00
  Shanada and it was about women's pound for pound.
• 1:11:07
  Since Shields competed recently, the conversation
• 1:11:15
  seems to be around her Having to be number one
• 1:11:22
  versus other women fighters like Fundora, Katie
• 1:11:29
  Taylor, who beat better opposition. But for some
• 1:11:36
  reason, Clarissa Shields has to be first for
• 1:11:38
  fighting. It's not at all her fault. Fighting
• 1:11:43
  dogshit fighters. It's not her fault. She's...
• 1:11:48
  Crushing the cans as she should. Yeah. Not like
• 1:11:53
  someone we'll talk about next week who does not
• 1:11:56
  do that distinctly. One thing about Shield is
• 1:12:02
  that she's very great with her skills. She's
• 1:12:05
  just, she's easily the best women's fighter.
• 1:12:11
  Does Taylor not, like, in her prime, I guess.
• 1:12:16
  Best and greatest are different. Okay. All right.
• 1:12:18
  I'll say Taylor's, like, among the greatest,
• 1:12:20
  like, closer to greatest than Clarissa is. Mm
• 1:12:23
  -hmm. Just because she had the strength of opposition
• 1:12:25
  to actually go out and fight. And, uh... What
• 1:12:31
  is it? Shields just... She's the best, but cannot
• 1:12:38
  be the greatest because there's no strength of,
• 1:12:40
  uh... Like, who did you beat? Danielle fucking
• 1:12:43
  Perkins? Come on. Yeah, like, there's just...
• 1:12:45
  It's just not... It's not there. I want to continue
• 1:12:50
  reiterating it's not Clarissa's fault. It's not.
• 1:12:54
  No, I don't know. Like, she's easily the best.
• 1:12:56
  Like, her skills are so head and shoulders above
• 1:13:00
  anyone. It's just she has no one to actually
• 1:13:03
  show out against. She gets... She absolutely
• 1:13:08
  deserves the moniker, the quote that she picked
• 1:13:12
  for herself. Just the same way Floyd Mayweather
• 1:13:14
  picked TBE for himself. Muhammad Ali picked goat
• 1:13:18
  for himself. Yeah. You guys, like you all are
• 1:13:21
  that fucking good. You, yes, absolutely. That's
• 1:13:24
  your nickname. Um, my one thing that I don't
• 1:13:30
  know if this is a hot take or not. I don't, when
• 1:13:34
  it comes to pound for pound considerations, I
• 1:13:37
  do not include heavyweights period because the
• 1:13:42
  point of pound for pound is to compare to the
• 1:13:45
  heavyweights that's that was like the whole purpose
• 1:13:49
  of what pound was made for so like why so like
• 1:13:54
  i'm i'm curious how does usik being number one
• 1:13:58
  like no shit he's the biggest baddest boxer ever
• 1:14:02
  like right now he's the he's the baddest man
• 1:14:05
  on the planet i'm curious how like if we scaled
• 1:14:09
  how does bam compete or how does virgil compete
• 1:14:14
  Usyk's a unique case because he's... Cruiser,
• 1:14:18
  yes. He went up. No, but he's also just that
• 1:14:21
  good. But that's my hot take on pound for pound.
• 1:14:30
  Similarly, it applies to the women's side as
• 1:14:34
  well. Clarissa Shields, to me, doesn't go on
• 1:14:36
  a pound for pound list because she is the one
• 1:14:38
  that you're comparing everyone else to. So...
• 1:14:42
  I don't know. Still, like, I think Shanada said,
• 1:14:47
  like, Gabi has an argument to be over Shields.
• 1:14:51
  What do you think? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Especially
• 1:14:55
  because Gabi's more dominant over similar opposition.
• 1:15:00
  Right. Like, even if you're going to say, oh,
• 1:15:03
  Gabi's also fighting bums, too. She's... Her
• 1:15:06
  bums are better than Clarissa's bums. Her bums
• 1:15:09
  are better, and she's ripping their hearts out.
• 1:15:11
  Like, it's not... What did Shields do in her
• 1:15:13
  last one? 10 -0? It's UD, UD, UD, but you don't
• 1:15:18
  get paid extra for overtime, and dominating them,
• 1:15:20
  especially in shorter women's fights to that
• 1:15:23
  extent, is more impressive to me personally.
• 1:15:28
  I agree. I agree completely. Let's move on. Speaking
• 1:15:33
  of pound for pound, fucking Oscar Collazo will
• 1:15:37
  be putting his WBA, WBO. Minimum weight titles
• 1:15:41
  on the line against Jesus Haro. This, I know
• 1:15:47
  you guys probably don't care, but this was supposed
• 1:15:49
  to be Melvin Jerusalem. And it was supposed to
• 1:15:52
  be a three belt unification. And the Golden Boy
• 1:15:56
  rug pulled on Jerusalem like two weeks before
• 1:16:03
  the fight. So. I care. He could have been. Three
• 1:16:10
  belts. Right. That's, that's what, uh, like,
• 1:16:14
  like fucking loves these minimum weights and
• 1:16:16
  stuff. And like, we were both lamenting like
• 1:16:20
  three belt unification is something you can market.
• 1:16:25
  Oscar Collazo whooping on some dude you never
• 1:16:27
  heard of. You barely even heard of his, the three
• 1:16:30
  belt guy, but now this absolute fucking nobody
• 1:16:34
  who cares last. Main event, Arnold Barbosa moves
• 1:16:42
  up to welterweight against Kenneth Sims Jr. Is
• 1:16:49
  Kenny Sims, like, is this somebody that we should
• 1:16:52
  be concerned about? No. I'm not too familiar
• 1:16:56
  with this game. Not particularly. If it was a
• 1:17:00
  good fighter, I wouldn't be concerned about it,
• 1:17:02
  but Arnold Barbosa is not a fighter. He's not
• 1:17:06
  great. He's not great. He's decent. He's decent
• 1:17:08
  contender level. And I'm not trying to knock
• 1:17:10
  him because he's a regional fighter and, you
• 1:17:12
  know, all respect to him. He's in a similar area
• 1:17:15
  where I live. He's from the hood. You know? Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Well, you know, it's like I got to support the
• 1:17:21
  guy, but I'm not going to lie and say, hey, this
• 1:17:25
  guy is fucking goaded. I rode with Jose Benavidez
• 1:17:29
  Jr. Like, he wasn't great. I rode with him anyway.
• 1:17:35
  Barbosa's going to make it look harder than it
• 1:17:38
  should be. but it won't be that. He's going to
• 1:17:43
  make Kenneth Sims Jr. actually look good. Oof.
• 1:17:46
  You think Sims is going to take it? Not Sims
• 1:17:49
  is going to take it, but I feel like he's going
• 1:17:50
  to make it look like Sims is actually... It's
• 1:17:53
  going to be competitive. Yeah. When it shouldn't
• 1:17:56
  be. Exactly. All right. Maybe Kenneth Sims and
• 1:18:05
  Alexis Rocha could trade spots. And we can get
• 1:18:09
  a little bit more of a clobber session. Alexis
• 1:18:15
  Rocha's not even that bad compared to... I'm
• 1:18:17
  not trying to call Arnold Boboza bad, but he's
• 1:18:20
  very one -dimensional. He doesn't have power.
• 1:18:23
  He's not fast. He doesn't have good ability to
• 1:18:26
  cut off the ring. No lateral movement at all.
• 1:18:31
  I mean, he's just a one -dimensional fighter.
• 1:18:34
  That's it. That's all I gotta say. I mean, he
• 1:18:37
  got... He got far for a reason, but there's a
• 1:18:40
  ceiling with him. And he's already hit it. Golden
• 1:18:43
  Boy Protection Program? Yes, 100%. In my opinion,
• 1:18:48
  I don't even think he should be headlining the
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  card. He lost his last fight. I mean, I think
• 1:18:54
  Oscar Collazo or even Gabby should headline this
• 1:18:58
  card. But I mean, it makes sense if he's hosting
• 1:19:01
  in Anaheim, they're more focused on getting people
• 1:19:05
  to buy tickets rather than... People watching
• 1:19:07
  the fight on streaming. Yeah, they had lowriders
• 1:19:11
  in the promo stuff. Yeah. Very clear demographic
• 1:19:17
  that they're catering to. 100%. I'm actually
• 1:19:22
  considering going to the fight because it might
• 1:19:24
  be cheap as hell. Oh, it's going to be cheap
• 1:19:26
  as hell. Yeah. With... On Boxing Before Dark,
• 1:19:32
  I was saying, like, I went for our parting words.
• 1:19:35
  Like, I went to Matchroom, and Shonato is going
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  to the card that we're about to talk about in
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  a second. So, my parting words were, if you can
• 1:19:49
  go, fucking go. So. I'm going to repeat that
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  to you. If you can go. If you can go. You're
• 1:19:57
  not putting yourself out. You can take your lady
• 1:19:59
  with you. Go. I'm thinking. It's selling fast.
• 1:20:04
  Let me see. Pre -game. Oh, damn. $36. What? That's
• 1:20:10
  a good price. Bro, you got to go. Or ringside
• 1:20:13
  $150. Ringside? Bro, dude. What? My tickets were
• 1:20:18
  like that much. And I wasn't on the floor. Damn.
• 1:20:23
  Dude, get lower bowl. Lower bowl like front row.
• 1:20:27
  Don't be on the floor. Floor seats are garbage.
• 1:20:31
  Let me show you. I might just go with this one.
• 1:20:37
  Because I get to see Gabby, Oscar, and Arnold.
• 1:20:41
  And you get to see Penno Diaz get his ass beat.
• 1:20:45
  Yeah, I mean, come on. Again, it'll be a good
• 1:20:49
  watch. It'll be a good watch to go watch for
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  boxing. Just go watch the boxing. Especially
• 1:20:55
  at that price. Jesus. The 222 section and the
• 1:21:03
  208 section. Those are good. If you get a seat
• 1:21:11
  that's by a corner, you might not luck out and
• 1:21:18
  you get the camera corner. That's true. If you
• 1:21:22
  could get red or blue, it's good because it's
• 1:21:24
  always going to be clear during the rounds. But
• 1:21:27
  the neutral corners, that's a gamble. And they
• 1:21:30
  don't ever put out which corners they're going
• 1:21:32
  to be where. I might just go my part. I think
• 1:21:39
  you should go. If you can, you should go. Let
• 1:21:43
  me see. But let's keep it rolling here. Golden
• 1:21:48
  Boy. Anything more for the Golden Boy card? Besides
• 1:21:51
  Saul, you gotta go. Pre -game in the parking
• 1:21:56
  lot, don't pay fucking $50 for a single game.
• 1:21:58
  Pre -game in the parking lot. Yeah, the StubHub
• 1:22:04
  Center, or like Dignity Health, whatever the
• 1:22:08
  fuck, they have a, it's the LA Galaxy stadium
• 1:22:14
  as well. So, they have a, like, you can tailgate.
• 1:22:21
  they have places to dump your charcoal when you're
• 1:22:24
  done grilling. You can fucking tailgate boxing
• 1:22:29
  events. That's pretty sweet. Pretty damn cool.
• 1:22:36
  Alright, let's get the last card out of the way.
• 1:22:39
  This is straight up Mighty Minis across the board.
• 1:22:44
  At the top of the bill. Anthony Olaskwaga, the
• 1:22:47
  WBO flyweight champ, is facing Jukia Imura. This
• 1:22:54
  is the one Shanada was most excited about. Tamanu
• 1:22:59
  Neomtron, a .k .a. Knockout CP Freshmark, is...
• 1:23:03
  The GOAT. Of the Mighty Minis, he is ATG, for
• 1:23:09
  sure. He is defending his WBC... light flyweight
• 1:23:14
  title against Shokichi Iwata. Nonito Donair and
• 1:23:22
  Riko Masuda are in a WBA bantamweight eliminator.
• 1:23:28
  Both of these guys had really close fights with
• 1:23:31
  the WBA champ, Seiya Tsutsumi. So, makes sense
• 1:23:37
  that they're competing for a second shot. Who
• 1:23:42
  else? Ryusei Matsumoto versus Yuni Takada. The
• 1:23:47
  WBA regular minimum weight titles on the line.
• 1:23:52
  Like, dude, how are there enough minimum weights
• 1:23:55
  to warrant a regular title and a super title?
• 1:23:59
  What the fuck? What, you're telling me you're
• 1:24:06
  not a fan of this? I love boxing, just in all
• 1:24:16
  its forms. Pro -box good. Pro -box good. Pro
• 1:24:20
  -box good. I'll leave it. Knockout CP, fresh
• 1:24:23
  Martha Goat. Exactly. Yeah. And, like, in the
• 1:24:29
  developmental series, the largest fighters on
• 1:24:33
  the card, Hayato Aiko versus Natsuki Kuremochi
• 1:24:37
  at featherweight. Shenandoah will be in attendance.
• 1:24:42
  We will all be watching. Fuck. Knockout CP Freshmark.
• 1:24:48
  We're here for it. Was that good? Did I sell
• 1:24:54
  the excitement? Did that do it? Alright, cool.
• 1:25:01
  Saul, I would recommend checking out the latest
• 1:25:04
  of Boxing Before Dark. You are mentioned several
• 1:25:09
  times. several times oh i wonder if it's good
• 1:25:13
  or bad it's all slander it is it's it's a lot
• 1:25:17
  of um counter punches i'll say oh lord but in
• 1:25:24
  the most recent in the most recent one yeah just
• 1:25:26
  dropped like uh an hour or two ago i'll watch
• 1:25:31
  today um all right so we are heading into sol
• 1:25:36
  strip to the honda center Pardon words. Roland
• 1:25:42
  Romero disputed 2026. Fuck Devin Haney. Fuck
• 1:25:44
  Ryan Garcia. Fuck Lewis Crocker. Fuck Virgil
• 1:25:47
  Ortiz. No, we love Virgil Ortiz here. I do. And
• 1:25:52
  fuck Zufa. Roblox good. Roblox good. I'll reiterate.
• 1:26:01
  I'm not sure if I'm going to cut all that chatter
• 1:26:05
  out about your particular seating arrangements.
• 1:26:08
  I probably will. So I'll just read it. I'll say
• 1:26:12
  it again. If you can go, go. Even club shows
• 1:26:17
  are a lot of fun. So if you can, do. Club shows
• 1:26:24
  are not expensive. Even the drinks and stuff,
• 1:26:27
  the concessions are not that expensive compared
• 1:26:30
  to a big card. So if you can, do. You will be...
• 1:26:37
  You'll never regret that you did. I'll leave
• 1:26:40
  it at that. All right. That's it for this edition
• 1:26:43
  of the Boxing B -Sides. We'll see you on the
• 1:26:47
  other side.