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Educator Dr. Steve Perry is Founder of five Capital Preparatory Schools providing high-quality education with college-bound opportunities for children in poverty · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: industry decision makers. Dr Steve Perry, Doctor PARR, is a
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Speaker 1: national leader in the education revolution, a change agent who
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Speaker 1: is tireless in his fight for providing equal and competitive
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Speaker 1: opportunities for children who otherwise will not have a voice.
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Speaker 1: His mission is to provide high quality education with college
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Speaker 1: bound opportunities for children in poverty. In twenties, Dr Steve
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Speaker 1: Perry opened his fifth school campus in Bronx, New York,
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Speaker 1: and all students are admitted to the schools by random
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Speaker 1: lottery in order to ensure equal access to all students
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Speaker 1: regardless of socio economic status. Academic history, Dr Steve Perry's
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Speaker 1: mission is to provide historically disadvantaged students with the college
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Speaker 1: and career readiness skills needed to become responsible, engage citizens
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Speaker 1: for social justice and offering a rigorous college prof curriculum
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Speaker 1: and the collective variety of athletic programs, project based learning,
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Speaker 1: and multi prong faculty support please work with the money
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Speaker 1: making conversation. Dear friend, my man, Dr Steve Perry, how
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Speaker 1: you doing, sir? Having the time of my life? Brother?
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Speaker 1: Really genuinely, I am, and forgive me. I am in Harlem,
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Speaker 1: so you will hear the sounds of the city. I
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Speaker 1: have no control over that well, the sounds of the city.
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Speaker 1: If you're New York. I always tell people like I
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Speaker 1: think basically seven million people living New York proper in
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Speaker 1: Manhattan proper, and on a given day, seven to eight
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Speaker 1: million will enter New York. So you can look at
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Speaker 1: from Twitter to fifteen million people on that island. So
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Speaker 1: when you say noise in New York, I say, okay, right,
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Speaker 1: I have to say that everybody is not as familiar
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Speaker 1: with our home as as you are. So uh, you
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Speaker 1: you know from your time here at the Apollo that
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Speaker 1: this is allowed little place we know it. Start, Steve Perry.
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you know New York. I moved
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Speaker 1: to New York like an eight first time I went
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Speaker 1: up New York and lived there, and it was in transition. Remember,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't catch a cab if I was in Lord,
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Speaker 1: New York to come to. If you say you're going
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Speaker 1: across a hundred fifth three. They wasn't gonna you might
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Speaker 1: weren't not even getting the cab because they weren't gonna
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Speaker 1: take you. And then we went through this, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Central Park jarger, you know situation where the five
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Speaker 1: being were convicted, and and then we then we transitioned
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Speaker 1: into their pick you up and take you up there.
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Speaker 1: And then you look at New York a hundred street
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Speaker 1: and white people that two am are walking their dogs.
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Speaker 1: And so this morning trip is tripping me out, like
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Speaker 1: is really tripping me out? And so would you in
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Speaker 1: there now? What is why is it important? Because we're
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Speaker 1: talking at a different hall of now, not the hall
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Speaker 1: of my new not the hall of you reading the newspaper.
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Speaker 1: What hall of are you working in? Now? What's the
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Speaker 1: environment of hall that you're tied to? Now? That's that's interesting,
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Speaker 1: Um I am. Our school is currently located on a
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Speaker 1: hundred and fourth and fifth Avenue, which, if you know
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Speaker 1: anything about New York, is right across the street from
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Speaker 1: Central Park. I mean I can see the botanical garden
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Speaker 1: right outside my window. And um, excuse me, we are
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Speaker 1: on what's called a museum mile, which is just what
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Speaker 1: you just aptly named behind me is the African American Museum.
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Speaker 1: Beneath me is Al Museo, all the way down to
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Speaker 1: the Museum of Natural History. So this area is a
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Speaker 1: gorgeous area as areas go. Similarly, UM, you are seeing
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Speaker 1: a conversion of the roundstones purchased by mainly. We can't
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Speaker 1: just be middle class, you gotta be upper middle class
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Speaker 1: to wealthy folks, many of whom appear to be white, um.
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Speaker 1: And for them, Harlem is a place of a cultural experience.
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Speaker 1: They come, many of them come to be immersed in
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Speaker 1: what they believed to be the culture of Harlem. But
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Speaker 1: there's still that group right over there in the Union
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Speaker 1: housing projects, which is on the other block. So again,
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Speaker 1: if you're not from New York, what I'm explained to
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Speaker 1: you would seem unconscionable that so much happens in in
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Speaker 1: so few square feet. But in the h two yards
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Speaker 1: that this block is, on one side you have some
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Speaker 1: of the wealthiest real estate arguably in America, and then
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Speaker 1: just two yards on the other side you have a
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Speaker 1: couple of housing projects. Um. And then then on the
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Speaker 1: other side you have a new high rise. So butchers
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Speaker 1: between these, uh are stuck between these two pretty expensive
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Speaker 1: pieces of property. You have housing projects and rent controlled places.
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Speaker 1: One of my colleagues lives in approximately, I want to
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Speaker 1: be polite, seven hundred square feet. It feels like five hundred,
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Speaker 1: but seven hundred square feet efficiency and she pays twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: That's my right, that's right. So you're not scaring me
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Speaker 1: with those numbers. See that was in the five d
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Speaker 1: square feet. I was happy. I was happy. But but
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Speaker 1: but so that's what it looks like. But what I
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Speaker 1: worked with, I work with some of the four kids
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Speaker 1: in America. I worked with some um, some of the
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Speaker 1: most talented, beautiful, some poor black Latin children. UM who
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Speaker 1: wow around them? There is uh call it renaissance. I
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Speaker 1: don't know as you call it a renaissance. We're not
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Speaker 1: the kind of wealth that's jaw dropping right there, and
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Speaker 1: the children and the parents simultaneously. We've been doing this
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Speaker 1: for a long time. Do you ever get what frustrates
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Speaker 1: What really frustrates me uh. And really trips me out
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Speaker 1: is that though we'd be done by now. Honestly, I
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Speaker 1: thought when I thought when charter school started to open
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Speaker 1: and we were able to show that you could take
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Speaker 1: the same Black children, same Latin children in the same address,
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Speaker 1: to college at the rate of anywhere from nine upon graduation. Again,
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Speaker 1: I figured this country, and for what it's worth, the
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Speaker 1: president who got us started down that road was President
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Speaker 1: Bush too, but the person who really kicked it into
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Speaker 1: um full gear was President Obama. So I figured, as
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Speaker 1: soon as we show that you can take children from
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Speaker 1: wherever they come and help them ascend to the highest
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Speaker 1: highs that I mean both sides of our I figured,
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Speaker 1: maybe the Republicans are tripped because they're not as committed
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Speaker 1: to black and brown people as the Democrats say they are,
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Speaker 1: so maybe there'll be some rub there, But other than that,
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Speaker 1: we should be cool because their freedom loving people, and
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Speaker 1: they want the freedom of school tchice. That's what I
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Speaker 1: thought I could not be more wrong. The Democrats have
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Speaker 1: been the most ardent opponents of the very escape route
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Speaker 1: that we need to use to get out of the
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Speaker 1: poverty that in many cases there policies have plunged us into. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: the Republicans are so uh in apt around issues of
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Speaker 1: class and race that anything that comes out of their
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Speaker 1: mouths people think is racist, even when they're making headway
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Speaker 1: and policies of school choice. So what frustrates me is
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Speaker 1: that I find myself with these lying politicians all the time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they get on my nerves. I'm not even
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Speaker 1: replying to you. Just some of them are people who
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Speaker 1: I know, like friends, people in my house. It is,
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Speaker 1: it is a peculiar paradox that I find myself and
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Speaker 1: because I you know, I just didn't walk through and
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Speaker 1: one of our schools here in Harlem and had to,
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Speaker 1: you know, tighten up some kids. But I'm not being
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Speaker 1: a uniform the way that's supposed to be doing that
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Speaker 1: very micro thing. But then from there I have to
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Speaker 1: have a macro conversation with the legislator about something that's
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Speaker 1: just it's just foolish, man. I don't even it sickens
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Speaker 1: me that we're still having these conversations. It is, and
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Speaker 1: I might add where I really, really, really really really
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Speaker 1: black man, committed to the Black commune and she came
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Speaker 1: to members of the black community and I'm being completely transparent,
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Speaker 1: because you're my god, I felt like I would be
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Speaker 1: able to get from black legislators, um, black wealthy people
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Speaker 1: the kind of support that our children need. And let
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Speaker 1: me be clear, They're not putting any money in my pocket.
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Speaker 1: They're not increasing my salary. They don't make my house
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Speaker 1: bigger at all. Actually, when they give money to us,
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Speaker 1: when they create legislation that creates more opportunities for schools
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Speaker 1: like ours to open, my salary does not move, you know,
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Speaker 1: despite my wife's interest and son's interest in my salary moving.
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Speaker 1: In fact, one of my sons, one of my sons,
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Speaker 1: goes to school with a person who runs a large
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Speaker 1: charter network and she makes a considerable amount more than
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Speaker 1: I do. And he said, he said, see me all time.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever get for treated by that? I don't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get into this that I got in because
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Speaker 1: I feel so blessed to be a part of our
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Speaker 1: children's lives. I can't believe that God wakes me up
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Speaker 1: all the people othershan, I'm telling you I can't. And
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Speaker 1: you know this, And this is what we talked about.
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Speaker 1: When there's no cameras on, nobody watching, there's no bs anything,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe that God wake this to uh get
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Speaker 1: part of like I just like in this way, it's
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Speaker 1: just the most awesome experience. So, I mean, do I
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Speaker 1: enjoy earning a living? I do, But I want to
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Speaker 1: make it clear and and and if I made sixty
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Speaker 1: billion dollars doing it because I help kids, would that
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Speaker 1: be a bad thing? Be people who do great things.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what happens. What actually happens is when
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Speaker 1: they give money, when they create legislation, it presents opportunity
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Speaker 1: for us to be able to serve more children. What
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Speaker 1: that means is I can hire more people who can
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Speaker 1: When we talk about the five schools that you have,
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Speaker 1: this is from our audience who's listening and who also
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Speaker 1: are watching. And basically, what is the attendant size of
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Speaker 1: the school, what is the age rain of the curriculum,
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Speaker 1: scharacter the new one that you have, and in the Bronx,
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Speaker 1: how does that work? Because we know about the lottery
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Speaker 1: system to get in are they all located in the
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Speaker 1: New York Connecticut? Are where they located these five schools
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Speaker 1: they are? Thank you so much for asking a thoughtful
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Speaker 1: question like that because most people don't. Um, so we
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Speaker 1: have we have two sites in Connecticut and Bridgeport, what
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Speaker 1: actually three? So if one in Hartford, I'm not affiliated
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Speaker 1: with that one anymore. I'll explained to you at a
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Speaker 1: moment um. That was the first school. And then um,
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Speaker 1: we have two sites in Bridgeport, Connecticut and they're about
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Speaker 1: four hundred apiece, and then we have uh in Harlem.
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Speaker 1: We have one that will be about eight hundred, and
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Speaker 1: then we have one in the Bronx that will be
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Speaker 1: about eight hund So the one we did in Hartford
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Speaker 1: is what was around eight hundreds, so and then some
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Speaker 1: of them are broken into multiple sites. So that's where
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Speaker 1: the numbers are. Three mm hmm. Look, and so when
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Speaker 1: you when you reach them, there's three thousands to that
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Speaker 1: because you you get the hard student, poverty driven students.
22:04
Speaker 1: So three thousand students that you're given a different way
22:06
Speaker 1: of life. They wouldn't have that different way of life
22:09
Speaker 1: academically if you didn't have a vision or feel blessed
22:13
Speaker 1: to get up. It's not about the money. It's about
22:15
Speaker 1: providing an opportunity and escape to a better life. Basically
22:18
Speaker 1: what you're doing with these students and their families too,
22:21
Speaker 1: because the kids benefait they they do the things they're
22:23
Speaker 1: supposed to, go to college, hopefully can pay forward and
22:25
Speaker 1: go pick their family and move them forward as well.
22:28
Speaker 1: That's your dream politicians. People who think they're undertones of
22:35
Speaker 1: greed tied to this, what do you do you want
22:38
Speaker 1: out of it? Those those frustrating lanes, But then you
22:41
Speaker 1: see the results the students who have left your school.
22:45
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel? Again? So this weekend,
22:50
Speaker 1: great question? Great question. So this weekend I went to
22:53
Speaker 1: two graduation parties, college graduation parties, and they have how
23:00
Speaker 1: have those parents? One one graduation. I went to UM,
23:06
Speaker 1: then way to graduated from Cton Hall and UM to
23:11
Speaker 1: have the parents who are no longer together actually recently divorced,
23:17
Speaker 1: to have them each separately come over to me and
23:20
Speaker 1: thank me. I don't feel worthy. Um, It's what I
23:25
Speaker 1: honestly feel when Dad came over to me and he said,
23:30
Speaker 1: you know, she couldn't have done around you as a brother.
23:32
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm just a spectator and this and like, no,
23:37
Speaker 1: you know, school, and I appreciate it, and I'm gonna
23:40
Speaker 1: I'm gonna thank you for the flowers that you're giving
23:41
Speaker 1: me while I'm still up here, and I'm gonna appreciate that.
23:44
Speaker 1: But I current, come on, this is this. No person
23:49
Speaker 1: can do this. This is not what people can do.
23:51
Speaker 1: This is God. So um. But what you know, Dr Parry,
23:56
Speaker 1: Dr Perry, I can stop you right there because I
23:58
Speaker 1: know it a long time, because you are and I've
24:01
Speaker 1: always criticized you for your humbleness. You know, you know
24:04
Speaker 1: you are a vessel. It is God's work. But you
24:07
Speaker 1: get up. I know your wife, I know your boys.
24:11
Speaker 1: They sacrifice. Okay, it's a time you're going the road
24:16
Speaker 1: to speak to kids that you don't know I've seen it.
24:19
Speaker 1: You go to camps hot in the summer talking to
24:22
Speaker 1: boys you don't know, trying to just give them a
24:25
Speaker 1: nugget of information that would change their life. And so
24:29
Speaker 1: I got the humbleness. But they're right, you're that blessing,
24:32
Speaker 1: You're that You're you're the kid, You're the kid who
24:35
Speaker 1: grew up become a man and say no, somebody want
24:37
Speaker 1: to make a difference, and that difference has to be
24:39
Speaker 1: and other people. So what triggered that? That's why I
24:43
Speaker 1: need to know what triggered that. I appreciate that. I,
24:47
Speaker 1: as you know, I'm I'm wickedly competitive. I understand somebody
24:51
Speaker 1: has to lose. It just never has to be made
24:54
Speaker 1: so um So for me, I want to be the
25:01
Speaker 1: when this thing is done, when when the box is
25:04
Speaker 1: mine and the dirt drums on top of it, I
25:07
Speaker 1: want to be the best who's ever done it. I don't.
25:11
Speaker 1: I don't. I want to. That will be evidence that
25:15
Speaker 1: I took what a little bit that I came into
25:18
Speaker 1: the game with and and I flipped it. You know,
25:21
Speaker 1: I look at cats who who are comparably positioned in
25:26
Speaker 1: their industries, who do things differently different than I do,
25:31
Speaker 1: who earned you know who do something different than I do,
25:34
Speaker 1: because you mean, I see where they are and I
25:36
Speaker 1: think I want to be even them. Yes, but but
25:42
Speaker 1: the beating part is less about ego and more about
25:46
Speaker 1: surface meaning that when I win, we win. But one
25:52
Speaker 1: of the things I've always appreciated about you, Sean is
25:55
Speaker 1: that you are committed to extend blessings to other people,
26:01
Speaker 1: to give and give opportunities to other cats, and identify
26:05
Speaker 1: talented individuals and help them build whatever it is that
26:08
Speaker 1: they have and and have that turned into something meaningful. Um,
26:14
Speaker 1: when when you are that kind of person, you build
26:21
Speaker 1: a team of people who will always be there for you.
26:25
Speaker 1: And so to your point, um my farewell wells comments
26:31
Speaker 1: to the first school that we were at, the school
26:34
Speaker 1: that we founded. Um, when I left, what I said,
26:39
Speaker 1: my sons attend my schools, And um, what I said
26:44
Speaker 1: was thank you to them for all of the nights
26:48
Speaker 1: that you went to bed and I wasn't there, all
26:51
Speaker 1: the morning that you woke up and I wasn't there.
26:54
Speaker 1: And that my hope and prayer is that one day,
27:00
Speaker 1: when you feel like I'm the worst human being on earth,
27:03
Speaker 1: you will come across somebody who will take the time
27:06
Speaker 1: to say thank you for the time that you contributed
27:11
Speaker 1: to my life by allowing your father to help us
27:14
Speaker 1: to build the schools in our community. I mean, one
27:18
Speaker 1: of the things that trips me out reshund is I
27:19
Speaker 1: don't understand how people do. When I don't how people do,
27:23
Speaker 1: what I do could ever be seen as controversial. I
27:26
Speaker 1: don't know what's controversial about black people open up schools
27:29
Speaker 1: in the black community, except for the fact that there's
27:32
Speaker 1: black people open up schools in the black community, which
27:34
Speaker 1: means sensibly self determination. It means that when I waiting
27:38
Speaker 1: for him, I'm not asking, but I'm not asking anybody permission.
27:41
Speaker 1: I don't ask when we're writing curriculum, I don't say,
27:44
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna offend people? As anybody not
27:47
Speaker 1: my that's not my problem, doesn't defend me. So aveng you.
27:53
Speaker 1: They don't go send your child in my school. But
27:55
Speaker 1: you know the beauty of you. Dr Steve Perry one
27:58
Speaker 1: of the leading voices, you know when he says that
28:02
Speaker 1: by his sons, I remember it was a run that
28:04
Speaker 1: every year I watched them grow, you know, I watched
28:06
Speaker 1: them grow everything pop up, your annual sophomore year. You
28:11
Speaker 1: know you know and go to the camps and Steve
28:14
Speaker 1: Harvey and then go to the Dreams Academy. So at
28:17
Speaker 1: least twice a year I watched them grow up, you know.
28:19
Speaker 1: And the beauty of that is that respect. They understood
28:23
Speaker 1: their dad, they understood the small Then they knew the
28:26
Speaker 1: value of of effort. They knew the value of UH
28:29
Speaker 1: making a difference. And when I look at you and
28:31
Speaker 1: I look at the progress that you made as a person,
28:34
Speaker 1: I've honestly meant that, you know, we we the television
28:38
Speaker 1: route has been made available to you. You just did
28:40
Speaker 1: the Fix My Life episode series her last season. Where
28:44
Speaker 1: is that in your life? Is is being on television
28:48
Speaker 1: a new priority? Or what's going on in your life
28:50
Speaker 1: from a television perspective? Dr Stephen, You know, television for
28:55
Speaker 1: me is a vehicle to tell the story of the
28:56
Speaker 1: work that we're doing in the community, as you know,
29:00
Speaker 1: and what your viewers are getting access to. As a
29:03
Speaker 1: kind of conversation that you and I have had two
29:05
Speaker 1: or three hundred times, it's the same conversation where you know,
29:10
Speaker 1: you've seen people present me with TV projects and I've
29:14
Speaker 1: never I don't turn them down. It's not my thing,
29:16
Speaker 1: but my focus is primarily on running the schools. I
29:20
Speaker 1: know that's crazy for some people who who whose air
29:24
Speaker 1: is to be seen by people, But I know that
29:27
Speaker 1: there's another side to that, and there's a cost to
29:29
Speaker 1: that as well as you well know, and you can't
29:33
Speaker 1: undring that bell. Uh So, I am so grateful to
29:41
Speaker 1: uh Ayana and Oprah for the opportunity and the opportunities.
29:46
Speaker 1: You also know this. You never know what's gonna happen
29:49
Speaker 1: with televisions. So the conversation is I'll put it this way,
29:54
Speaker 1: and you know you understand this as well. I'll be
29:56
Speaker 1: as specific as I can without there you getting myself
30:01
Speaker 1: jammed up. Um, there is fevered conversation between a number
30:10
Speaker 1: of entities as to what to do because there's there's
30:15
Speaker 1: been a there's been a long interest from far back
30:20
Speaker 1: is when we did, say my son of extending that work.
30:23
Speaker 1: There are people who are still very interested in that.
30:27
Speaker 1: Some of those people in positions of power networks, some
30:29
Speaker 1: of them are at streaming services, and I think that
30:35
Speaker 1: they wanted to see how how the most recent you know,
30:40
Speaker 1: I don't want to see if I still got it,
30:42
Speaker 1: but they wanted to see it again in person. So
30:47
Speaker 1: they got to see that again. And UM, I think
30:52
Speaker 1: that I think that the Open Win Free Network, among others,
30:57
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really frank with you. I think
31:00
Speaker 1: that the Oprah Win Free Network, among others, UM saw
31:05
Speaker 1: the Universal University positive reaction to the work. I think
31:12
Speaker 1: that people were I think I'll just tell you what
31:15
Speaker 1: people said. The internet was a buzz with very very
31:20
Speaker 1: very high positive and you know how hard that is
31:23
Speaker 1: to achieve. I would just tell you this. You know,
31:25
Speaker 1: because we know where we're going. Everybody sees you serious.
31:28
Speaker 1: You are a fun guy. You know, we're we're realist
31:32
Speaker 1: to you. Smile, you know, you're like you know, you
31:35
Speaker 1: know where the party is. So so I know that
31:38
Speaker 1: you you gotta keep in looping this because I'm telling you, man,
31:41
Speaker 1: I cannot let them not see the three the full
31:44
Speaker 1: three sixty of you. You know, yes, your passion, Yes
31:48
Speaker 1: you're driven to change. But man, come on now, can
31:52
Speaker 1: we see you smile on tv D Starry, Can we
31:54
Speaker 1: see that, can see that? You know when it is,
31:58
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's hard to smile. What
32:01
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, kids, and that's usually what you
32:05
Speaker 1: get to see me do. UM, But they don't get
32:08
Speaker 1: to see. They don't get to see uh us in
32:12
Speaker 1: Hot Ass, Texas just sitting back cooking meat and laughing
32:18
Speaker 1: for hours, literally trying not to get eaten by every
32:24
Speaker 1: on earth. Um, they don't see that because it's just
32:27
Speaker 1: not an opportunity. But listen to me when I say that.
32:29
Speaker 1: When I say that, the reason I'm dropping that into
32:32
Speaker 1: your conversation because that's you. Because see what happens. What
32:35
Speaker 1: happens with producers see things a certain way because that's
32:38
Speaker 1: their minds. I'm telling you you change lives on the
32:42
Speaker 1: different levels. You can smile and change a child's life.
32:46
Speaker 1: I've seen you do that on a regular basis. I've
32:48
Speaker 1: seen you at Disney, I've seen you at camp. I've
32:51
Speaker 1: seen you others speaking opportunities. We smile, we walked in
32:54
Speaker 1: the room, we make a decision. I'm just telling you,
32:56
Speaker 1: if that television opportunity presents yourself, please be you at
33:01
Speaker 1: all levels. So that's and I appreciate you saying that.
33:04
Speaker 1: One of the challenges. So again, let's just have a
33:07
Speaker 1: real conversation. So one of the reasons why the TV
33:10
Speaker 1: one thing didn't work out is because I couldn't do
33:16
Speaker 1: what I think they wanted. Me to do, which is
33:19
Speaker 1: to get up in boys chests and and set your
33:24
Speaker 1: ass down. Love. I don't talk to kids like that.
33:27
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't talk to kids like that. I'll
33:29
Speaker 1: talk to mine like that sometimes, but not everybody else's.
33:32
Speaker 1: And I can take liberties with mine because they mine,
33:34
Speaker 1: but I don't even take I try to avoid take
33:36
Speaker 1: them even with them, because nobody responds really well to that.
33:40
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, one of the challenges
33:44
Speaker 1: there is about capturing that part of the nuances of
33:48
Speaker 1: my personality. They wanted something I didn't have. Similarly when Fox,
33:52
Speaker 1: when I was doing the daytime piece with Fox, then
33:56
Speaker 1: they it's like the poles. They either one the the
33:59
Speaker 1: you know, like I'll bush kind of uh Joe Clarkey guy.
34:04
Speaker 1: The other one they want is this goofy Wayne Brady character.
34:09
Speaker 1: And I'm not distant Wayne Brady, but you understand what
34:11
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's just this goofy uh amorphous. You know,
34:17
Speaker 1: you can tell he's African American, but you're not gonna
34:19
Speaker 1: hear anything about his cultural underpinnings as they relate to
34:23
Speaker 1: come through. They wanted me to be something that almost
34:27
Speaker 1: was Kelly Clarkson slash ellensk and sure we can have
34:32
Speaker 1: those kinds of conversations, no doubt that's what you and
34:35
Speaker 1: I would do. We have those kinds of conversations. But
34:37
Speaker 1: I'm not silly. You understand I'm saying like, I'm not
34:40
Speaker 1: a silly person. That's I'm just not, never have been,
34:43
Speaker 1: never will be. Um, there are different ways in which
34:46
Speaker 1: we can laugh and be relatable that are still respectful
34:50
Speaker 1: of who we are as man. You're not a silly
34:52
Speaker 1: I don't anybody wants say rashan silly like this just ridiculous.
34:58
Speaker 1: You know, if you laugh, you Joe, you serious chat.
35:02
Speaker 1: It's been a lot of time in making people laugh
35:06
Speaker 1: for a living, but it's serious about your business absolutely.
35:10
Speaker 1: You know. The thing about it we're gonna wrap up
35:11
Speaker 1: here is that because I want to talk to some
35:13
Speaker 1: stuff offline as well about this, because you're right, that's
35:17
Speaker 1: my life. My life is about shaping people's opportunities. My
35:21
Speaker 1: life is about giving you some stuff that may not
35:24
Speaker 1: even benefit me. And when I look at you, you've
35:26
Speaker 1: always been a benefit not only to me, but the
35:28
Speaker 1: people around me and the people that I invited you
35:31
Speaker 1: into the world to make a change. Like to Steve Perry,
35:33
Speaker 1: your blessing brother. Your family is a blessing and the
35:36
Speaker 1: fact you have five schools is going to be more.
35:38
Speaker 1: And when you leave this earth, you will be that
35:40
Speaker 1: game changer. You will be that competitive guy that said
35:43
Speaker 1: I made a difference. And then people will show up
35:45
Speaker 1: and show you as they line up and walk past
35:48
Speaker 1: that casket and tell you thank you and cry and
35:51
Speaker 1: and remember that he made a difference in my life,
35:54
Speaker 1: my children's life, and my grandparents life and may create
35:57
Speaker 1: a nixt lefigacy of growth and the opportunity for kids
36:01
Speaker 1: who didn't have it. And just seeing you, man, I'm
36:05
Speaker 1: just telling your brother, you're special. You've always been special
36:08
Speaker 1: to me. Man. And we don't talk enough. I will
36:10
Speaker 1: tell you that I will be are we missing not
36:12
Speaker 1: saying that? And we need to start talking more. Let's
36:15
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36:18
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