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- Scott Miller: Well folks and welcome to the the political matrix news. I'm Scott Miller and this is my partner Greg Fink Tim who is the mayor ⁓ of and among a of things he's deeply involved in the John Birch Society and has been up recently involved in local Republican politics but I think he's discovered what I discovered. I can't speak for you but I'll tell you what discovered at the REC was You when you're in an REC that is heavily, in a county that's heavily dominated by Republicans to begin with, well, it's more of a therapy session than it is any kind of meaningful effort to do anything. So, it's, kind of got to think your time is better spent for the Republican party doing other things. Tim Marden: Perhaps, perhaps. So yeah, I appreciate you having me back on the show, guys. Always pleasure to be here. Greg Fink: Yeah, it's great to have you. And so guess we had the deadline yesterday with our end. Scott Miller: I know. I think that was hilarious. Greg Fink: And somebody blinked. Scott Miller: Well, did. you know, here's I'm taking out of today's events where Iran was complaining because, you know, Israel ⁓ is on Lebanon and they have to stop that or this ceasefire is over. And I'm thinking, well, they think that they're setting new terms. In my mind, what they're doing is They're admitting that Hezbollah is an integral part of their military. Just because they're in another country doesn't mean they're not actually part of the Iranian military. That's the only way that firing on them is an attack on Iran. Tim Marden: I haven't really kept up with the Lebanon angle, quite frankly. this really just starts to feel like every other war that we have been in recently, where you of go into one area of it, and then it becomes and morphs into this other thing, and then you've got to excuse it away for this reason, and when that reason doesn't work anymore, you've got to come up with another one. It's just become such a pattern that is Scott Miller: The panic says, fuck Trump. Tim Marden: sticks out to me like a red balloon and even even though you know this is what i was calling for 40 days ago and was chastised for it you may have received some of the criticism now that it's all come there's there's no love coming back no coming back but honestly i think people owe me an apology Scott Miller: Right. Well, yeah, Greg Fink: about in the apology. Scott Miller: Yeah, go ahead. Good. Tim Marden: I didn't hear what you said, Greg. Greg Fink: No, no, specifically, mean, the apology about what? I mean, for those who don't remember everything. Tim Marden: Well, you know, just the fact that was this is a this is a war. it matter to what degree of war it is. And, you I had some people on. ⁓ on social media earlier today. You know, they're putting air quotes around certain words to sort of de-escalate or take a little bit of the sting out of potentially the definition. But a war is a war. You're using warplanes, you're using war bombs, you're using the Department of War. It is a war, and it deserves hearing in Congress. soon as I said that, that the pariah and I was no longer towing the Republican line and I need to be supporting Trump at all costs because, ⁓ hey, there's R after both of our names, but I just don't it that way. mean, the party line and president is pretty down my priority as far as where I Start my checklist of what is right and what is wrong you know, just the whole idea of the the War Powers Act Being invoked and suggesting that this was some sort of cover for Trump to be able to do what he wants to do I had somebody me today. ⁓ well since we stopped the war we can just reset the 60-day clock under the War Powers Act I thought man these I I don't I don't really understand that rationale. I don't really understand just that Scott Miller: you So, a to you joining Tim Marden: lack of principle, and it's always just a fungible sort of degree of will explain it away to get them where they want. It's almost like ⁓ the is they have a certain result that they want and they work backwards from it to find the evidence that will their claim. Greg Fink: I I'm of the opinion that I think that a lot of things are probably happening that we are not privy to, that we don't have the information to. And so that's the reason why I'm willing to give a lot of it, benefit of the doubt of how it's going. And granted, I, know, myself and Scott, all of us were saying before that, unless there's regime change, it's a waste of time because I mean, basically this entire idea here of doing all this weaponry and all this attacks, you're just having the guy's son take over. I mean, ridiculous, but I mean, that said, there's, I'm also ⁓ confident there's a lot of things that are going on behind the scenes that we're not privy to, that we don't have the information on. That's one reason why Trump says what he wants to say, when he wants to say it. I mean, we elected that. That's what we elected, but his actions are deliberate in manners. so, you know, I don't really know if we even the entire chapter or the book of what is going on yet. Because we're only seeing, the media is telling us to see, and B, you know, right now, I think there's probably a lot of things going on behind the scenes that we're not having information on yet. Scott Miller: Well, only going to disagree with you to this level, Tim. I with you that the War Powers Act is important, ⁓ but this particular issue for the last 40 years, the people who have been in charge of that War Powers Act have been taking care of absolutely everyone except for the actual root cause of most of the violence in the Middle East. And you can't, every time they've had an opportunity and a justification to go in there and go after them, they've just decided to do something else, to go after Iraq, to go after Afghanistan. They've gone after absolutely everyone except for the people that are actually driving all of these problems. And so that's why I feel like... And I agree with Greg that regime change would be the best thing for us. But the fact of the matter is we've set them back decades right now. I mean, if we stopped today, we've already set them back decades. But we need to continue forward with this to do something to root these people out because they are, I mean, you can pick almost any time in the last 40 years. and any of the things that they've done for, for where they they're supplying money to Hezbollah and, and, and, and all the, all these other terrorist organizations. Well, when you pay a hit man to kill somebody, you're just as guilty as the hit man. So, so the fact that they, that they've been doing this for so long with just reckless abandon and no one's been calling them out on it. They deserve this. Tim Marden: Well, my thinking is that they've been allowed to do this so that we can continue as a military industrial complex to stick nose over there and point a finger. know, without an enemy, there's justification for military armament, there's no justification for building up, you know, the military industrial complex over and over and over again. ⁓ And I just point out that Scott Miller: Yes. Well... Greg Fink: It's a conspiracy. That's a good one though. Tim Marden: A lot of what has happened over the last 40 years is because we overthrew their government back in 1953, 20 years before that. So, mean, I'm not giving them an excuse to kill Americans or anything, but you know, got to get into the psychology of this thing a little bit and find out why these people are the way that they are. And, know, we've ⁓ been over in that area, all over oil. Scott Miller: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ no. Greg Fink: Easy. Tim Marden: kicking an hills and Overthrowing governments killing people all over the place and it's just like we did in Ukraine Back in 2014 where we overthrew that government and then you you know Russia comes in takes back Crimea and then we want to act like that's where it all started because Russia's did you know invaded and took back Crimea well No, you got to wind back the clock a little just a little bit further and see why what what started that? where I think a lot of the conversation is not put into from my chair. Scott Miller: I agree with you. And so agree we're not angels, ⁓ that we have things wrong, we've handled things badly. And again, we handle badly just with just with the Iraq and the Afghanistan wars, shouldn't. Those were the not even the right people to be going after. So I agree that we should the you know, that that's an important thing. But at same time, you know, Tim Marden: Right. Scott Miller: Regardless of how we got, you know, how we got Iran into the state that they're in, they're in a state that they need to back down from and they're not willing to do it. And all they're looking to do now is to spread this terrorism, this terrorist ideology. And that's the part that I think that, you know, I agree that we had a hand in getting them there, but they were already wanted to go there. And regardless of how they got there, they're there now and it's our mess to clean up. Greg Fink: I mean, you guys watched the press conference on Monday, was just, mean, Trump was basically doing lot of ⁓ blustering a lot of talk and everything else. basically, at the end of the day, everybody kept on panicking and saying, ⁓ he's going to annihilate. He's going to do nuclear weapons. He's going to bomb to the center. He's really going to do everything he says. I'm like, if nobody's paid attention to what Trump has done for the last 30 years of his public life, know, it's ⁓ Scott and say a lot, know, it's the whole peeling off the ceiling. technique of sales. Whenever you like, know, go into a car dealership and they give you this here, a real high sticker shock price. And that's the way, and granted it might not be the best way to run a country. I don't recommend any other future president doing it, but you know, this is the way he negotiates. This is the way he is. And this is, mean, he just throws it out there and sees what sticks. And then he picks up the pieces and negotiates after that. And that's just his methodology and it seems to have worked for him. quite a bit over the last several decades and I think it's gonna work this time too. Tim Marden: Yeah, I know. just feel like there is more opportunity to be more effective without having to actually act that way and talk like that way. ⁓ Greg Fink: There is for other people. For other people there might be, but for Trump I don't think there is. That's his method. Scott Miller: But what would the effective thing be that we haven't already tried with Iran? Because it's not a question, are they trying to get a nuclear weapon? They're absolutely trying to get a nuclear weapon. Because there's no civilian use nuclear material that's refined beyond 5%. Tim Marden: Well, I- I mean, I just don't see that as even possible without finding out. I mean, we're talking about a third world country that can barely get a rocket out of their own region. So I think it's disingenuous for ⁓ an administrative to come here and try to convince me that any second now we could a mushroom cloud on American soil from ⁓ over mean, the Koreans have rockets for how they still can't get it. anything to go any real substantial distance. And let's not forget that back in June of 2025, we were told we obliterated all of their nuclear weapon and nuclear capacity. were you lying then or are you lying now? Which one it is? Greg Fink: It might have been wrong. Well, it might not be lying. It might be wrong, you know? I mean, it might have had bad intelligence. Scott Miller: Well, I don't, don't, well, personally, I don't care if he was, if it was right or wrong, because at the end of the day, you know, they're going to restart, you know, if you leave them alone and leave them to run the devices, they're going to, they're going to restart again. And the fact is, is they have stuff that is, that is only a few percentage points away from being feasible, but it's also useful for a lot of other weapons too. But Regardless, maybe it's five years, maybe it's 10 years down the road. But if you leave them to go unabated, you know, mean, is powerful argument to stop them, you know, when a mushroom cloud shows up, they're literally there loading the gun and telling us, we're going to shoot you as soon as we get this gun loaded. And that for me is all the justification that you need to take a shot at someone. Tim Marden: Yeah, I just. Yeah, I just don't see it as that credible of a threat, I guess. Greg Fink: So what time frame do you think it's going to be for us to get out of it? ⁓ mean, what do you all predict? Tim Marden: I have no really. Scott Miller: ⁓ I think we'll be out of this in a month. Tim Marden: Yeah, I really don't know. I think a lot of it's going to depend on the next probably. next two weeks. mean, if the next two weeks go well, I agree with Scott. Maybe we're into this for another month, but if it doesn't, and I mean, the Iranians don't have any good history of giving up. I mean, we've really kind of punched them in the face and smeared them, insulted them. You know, they've got a lot to be pissed off about. And even if they ⁓ do come publicly and do something that ⁓ is, ⁓ know, the face, ⁓ looking very ⁓ you're, I Scott Miller: because And I think about how we can be a better for the future. And I think that's a positive. I think it's a a quiver, but it's something that we're going to be very, soon. it's going to be tough decision. We're be back to the beginning. And it's going to be a bit of a end to me on that side. What's going to be the future of And I that's big challenge. And that's big challenge for us able stop this. Tim Marden: mean, everybody's still going to be looking in the rearview mirror all the time waiting for them to cream back up, which again goes back to the, you know, even if we annihilated everything they have now, what's going to keep them from restarting? And we'll be right back in the same place in five to 10 years. I don't think anything that we were doing today is going to stop them from trying to get a nuclear weapon. We need to we need to take a posture that we're not going to continue doing business the way that we're going to do and that there needs to be some sort of open. transparency and we need to just stop know kicking an heels all over the all over the region ⁓ stop being the aggressor so much and try to read you know reset the table a little bit ⁓ I think one of the only things that's going to do that is behavior you know Trump is not you know he just he's just a crapshoot at this time but you know I saw a meme a couple of weeks ago and it was Well, it wasn't actually a meme. It was a map of Iraq or Iran with all of the American bases around it. And the caption on was, why did somebody put a country in the middle of all of our bases? I mean, to me, I was explaining to somebody earlier actually, I think it was my wife, was saying how, you know, this is sort of like when Russia was putting missiles in Cuba. We didn't really care for that. We got really pissed off about that. Well, we're kind of, this is like in reverse. So ⁓ wouldn't they get pissed off at us for this? I mean, we've got all these guns aimed at them. They can't move. They can't do anything. They have absolutely no freedom. ⁓ anything and not necessarily because they're necessarily entitled to it, but... Greg Fink: Yeah. Yeah. Tim Marden: you they're not going to do anything without us knowing about it. The technology is too good, the spy networks are too good, the CIA you know has thousands and thousands of people all over the world that need money so they're always willing to give over information. I don't think that they possibly escalate anything without us knowing. mean they're not going to be able to, you know, they're not going to be able, that eye toll is not going to be able to fart without Washington knowing it. Greg Fink: Right? Okay, well, get the fart thing, but I mean the reality here is that ⁓ don't have I wouldn't give them the same credit as a regular sovereign nation. It's where they deserve I mean if they feel like they're even slapped in the face for their insulted they should be insulted I mean they keep funding people killing our allies and us I mean they be pissed off because you know we got in our sights. ⁓ I mean Scott Miller: you Greg Fink: okay. I'm okay with them being angry and everything. I'm okay with them being embarrassed I already don't have any problem with that whatsoever because they should be lucky. They're even alive in my opinion because I mean ⁓ Scott Miller: One. Tim Marden: I know that's how we got here and that's how we are. speaking where we are right now. In order to move forward and to sort of, in my mind, unwind this stuff and get everybody back into their corners, you have to put the history into and say, look, this is what we've done. Scott Miller: sure that Tim Marden: We're not going to be doing that anymore. And then we actually have to back it up with our behavior. Maybe it's taking some of the bases out of the Middle East. Scott Miller: Thank Greg Fink: it up with their behavior? mean, why can't they just open up those straight up harm reviews and quit killing and quit funding Hamas and quit funding Hezbollah and quit funding, you know? Tim Marden: Well, that's the cheapest thing that they, I mean, that's the only really kind of thing that they can do. I mean, if they've only got $10, they can only spend $10. Greg Fink: I am. They can quit killing people. Our point is that they can quit trying to fund killing people. They can quit being terrorists and assassins and evil. I mean, they don't have to be the way they are. Tim Marden: No, they don't necessarily have to be the way they are, but I think we have to have that in perspective of why they are the way that they are. Greg Fink: mean, the burden is on them. Scott Miller: Well, we also have to stop looking at this through a Western lens because, know, let me give you a good story that heard from one of my military buddies the other day, because, you he was in the first the second Gulf War, probably the second Gulf War with the age that he was. Tim Marden: Yeah. Scott Miller: but they had a number of Kurds in their unit. Actually, it had to be the second one. they just bombing the bejesus out of guys and were trying to get them to surrender. And the commander their commander on the radio and was like, ask him, say, look, guys, could you, ⁓ we don't really to kill you. Could you please, please just kind of, you're not going to You're all going to die. We have you completely surrounded and overwhelmed. We need you to stop. And one of the Kurds kind of pulled him aside and said, look, you can't talk to them like that because in their mind, what you're saying is disrespectful because you're basically telling them that you're being weak and you're presenting a weak front. And you're demanding that we surrender to someone who is weaker than we are, is that we'd rather, they would rather die than. Tim Marden: ⁓ yeah. Scott Miller: be dishonored in that way. ⁓ Greg Fink: Exactly. Tim Marden: Yeah, I believe the Chinese actually have that very, I think it's called a face culture. It's all about, it's all about kind of what you look like to others. And you do, I mean, go to the ends of the earth to that. ⁓ quite, know, that's, that's kind of where, you know, the side of Donald Trump is well. know, get a guy who never apologizes, never walks really anything back, never really kind of It's always, Scott Miller: Yeah probably. Yeah. Yeah. Tim Marden: He's got to come up with something to justify or to reason. you know, if he could just eat a little bit of humble pie, the gains, think, would be absolutely immeasurable. ⁓ don't any confidence that he can do that. Greg Fink: He's 80. It would it would be wonderful. Well, he's not he and we kind of talked about this on our podcast. You're not going to change the stripes at 80 years old. mean, how many people at that age are just going to flip on a dime because people want them to? I mean, he's going to do what he wants to do. And that's who he is. Well, doesn't have to do with wisdom or the lack thereof. mean, it just has to do with his behavior and that's his behavior. And that's that's who we elected. We elected somebody to not back down. I mean, we voted for I mean. Tim Marden: No. You'd think at 80, wisdom would kick in a little bit, you? Greg Fink: didn't vote for this war, per se, but we did vote for him to put lives first and put Americans first. And I do think this does do I mean, the whole economic that we're hitting as a result oil and everything else, that was probably not planned. I mean, I don't think anybody planned that all these ⁓ allies are going to be so weak and fragile and feckless and pathetic. ⁓ Tim Marden: ⁓ I think the oil prices were totally predictable and foreseeable. I mean, anytime something happens over in that area, the prices spike through the roof, much less a war. ⁓ Greg Fink: Well yeah, but yeah, yeah, this is this is a little bit more than usual. Scott Miller: Don't know that. Yeah, but agree it was totally foreseeable, but I think it's worth it. I mean, at the end of the day, if we can, if we do nothing but reset the culture, because frankly, Iran did a lot to reset the culture in first couple of days of the war by sending missiles out to all their neighbors. So if we today, the Middle East has been redefined in a way that it won't walk out of for decades. ⁓ And hopefully, hopefully, you know, before this thing is over, we will have weakened the regime to the point that, you know, that their people can come in and take over. The only problem with that caveat there is that they have, you know, when this was declared, I don't know, when the C-SPIRE was declared, there were all these people that came in the street that started screaming death to America. Now, you can also make the argument that those are people that just want to, you know, be performative for the regime. they say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're definitely on your side, death to America, see you later. But could also just as well be a episode of syndrome. ⁓ So who's say? Greg Fink: Right. Real quick, I'll switch the topics here real quick. Before Tim has to leave, let's talk about little bit about Florida politics. And so the governor's race. now, who seems to be the hands-on favorite in your opinion of the governor's race? Florida. Tim Marden: From the inside, I can tell you is it ⁓ appears to be Byron's to lose. Could he? I think he could, but when you're sitting on a $30 or $40 million war chest, that actually protect you from a lot of bad decisions in a campaign, for sure. So still think it's his to lose. Greg Fink: with Jay Collins. Scott Miller: ⁓ people also thought that Adam Putnam couldn't lose either. Tim Marden: Yeah, yeah, I mean he has no reason to rest on his laurels, that's for sure. I mean, I think you gotta... Greg Fink: Yeah. mean... That's true. Tim Marden: You got to run all four laps the track for the mile. You don't just cut out early sit on sidelines because everybody else is so far back. But I tell biggest irritant, ⁓ the biggest that have in this governor's race is ⁓ James Fishback. That is a circus and it ⁓ kind of bothers that gotten much attention from, let's it the under 30. ⁓ white male i think in of that's because he is willing to talk about what the problem is, a lot of ⁓ you know, where a lot of some of the older politicians not willing to talk about it, because I they're so far disconnected. the solutions that that guy has offered are just horrific. And not to mention 99 % of them he can't even fulfill. that from ⁓ that. Yeah, yeah. Greg Fink: That's a good thing. All right. Yeah, but we're hearing that. Scott Miller: Mondami, the Florida Mondami. Greg Fink: Yeah, we're hearing that with a lot of the governor's races. mean, a of the candidates are offering things up that they cannot attain or possibly do whenever they get elected. people, they're playing all the voters as chumps and thinking they can do all these that they can't do. I mean, they had to have the legislature work with them to do it. And it's not just Fishback. quite a few of the other candidates. I don't want to identify them all because, know. Scott Miller: possibly. Greg Fink: We want to have them on our show and that looked like we're picking on anybody. you know, the whole point is that it seems like the entire corral is just offering up, you know, wonderful, wonderful pie. That's not, you know, edible really. Tim Marden: Yeah, no, I think that's 100 % true. And I would only push back a little bit on it with with you, Greg, saying how they're assuming that the voters are a bunch of boobs. I think there's a lot of low intelligence voters out there. I can just see from their responses. They lack really any understanding. mean, we all still had schoolhouse rock, but somehow we all forgot how a bill gets passed. Greg Fink: That's our generation, okay? That's not the next generation. Tim Marden: I mean, it's just it's crazy. I was I was kind of in a spat with somebody the other day and he was just saying, well, the legislature is dysfunctional they don't agree with Trump. And I said, OK, I said, do we just get rid of the legislature and then all together because they don't work and they don't do what you tell them? And he said, no, well, ⁓ can't do that because we don't believe in kings or dictators. I said, but you believe in having one person running ⁓ show. Greg Fink: It's sad. Tim Marden: by executive order so what's the difference? Well maybe we should get rid of the legislature. Like wow. Wow. Greg Fink: What? That's sad. Scott Miller: Well, I don't know about getting rid of them, but I'm widely in favor of term limiting them. Tim Marden: just ⁓ fact that he said that was just sort of wow you just really it's just this just excluding reality of like really I think said it on the show before I feel like we a people group ⁓ or as a just society we've moved away from what the initial Greg Fink: Well, I... ⁓ Tim Marden: initial about government is whether or not they should do it at all. was the original test. But now it's how should do it? So the default is government should be doing it now. That's where we've progressed over 250 years. need something done. How should government do it? And the default, like I said, is that the government should do it to begin with. And I'm just so far removed from that ⁓ everything that they touch is just such a disaster. What's the nine best words? I'm from the government. I'm here to help. I mean, word. But we keep going down this path. It's yeah. And I kind of myself a year and a half or two years ago. Scott Miller: I of time. ⁓ Greg Fink: brakes. It is. Ha ha. Check's in the mail. Tim Marden: that there was so much a psychological desire for the government to do something because subconsciously they so much from us that there is sort of this innate natural guttural response of getting something back. ⁓ So, yeah, don't know. I think it's somewhere. ⁓ Scott Miller: I'm to Greg Fink: There it was. Tim Marden: Somewhere in the the ions between between the ears about that Greg Fink: It is. I mean, we've said that a lot. mean, you know, and I mean, there is a rationale to that. mean, you know, whenever they keep taking all your tax dollars, I mean, you should get, you know, know, bring back the bacon or, you know, I mean, you should get some of that money back into the hands of the people who gave it up. And so I don't think that's a bad thing, but it does open up the whole envelope there that, know, you're basically asking the government to do something where it was just supposed to be used for safety and security and. Scott Miller: I bit of I think it's a little of a mess. I think bit mess. I think it's a a mess. I think bit mess. I think think it's a it's a mess. I of a a I a mess. I Greg Fink: and pretty much just keeping everybody, following the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, keeping everything free. But it does open out that door to where you're basically encouraging the government to pay you back. And that's good or not, ⁓ it opens up a Pandora's box of, it what it is. And I already don't see any way of reversing that. Tim Marden: Few and defined. Few and defined. Scott Miller: There's only two of you in the decision to figure out the assistant. Tim Marden: Yeah, only way of reversing it ⁓ ⁓ conversational But that not very, that is not very difficult or not very easy have because in conversational shift, you're asking people to unwind generations of behavior. You're taking down a lot of people's heroes, too. And and I understand that a that's a heavy lift. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. You some pillow not to get reelected. Scott Miller: Absolutely. It's hard to do in the fact that the fact the matter is, is that the know, the legislative bodies, you know, Honestly, I think this is because, you know, got to a point where it was so hard to do anything. It was just easier to just spend your time fundraising than it was to actually start fighting leadership because leadership always had everything locked down and they had so much control over individual congressmen. ⁓ if you really wanted to do something, we should pass laws to restrict the level of influence that leadership has over their party. Greg Fink: Right. Tim Marden: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, yeah, I mean, you're saying Scott would you rather go to a fight or a party? Easy, ⁓ easy Everybody wants to go to the party instead, right? Why not go rub elbows, have fun, a ⁓ good dinner, pick up big checks? ⁓ mean, wouldn't want to do that? You're absolutely right, 100%. Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Greg Fink: Right. Yeah, but also, I what you all said earlier about term limits, think one thing to take that further with term limits is that I don't really think that term limits for the elected officials is important it would be for term limits for the bureaucrats who are working in those elected officials offices because those little secretaries and the assistants who stick around over and over again, and they're the gatekeepers for the next person coming in. Exactly. They're the who are letting in the Scott Miller: Hahaha. the deputies. Greg Fink: Influence peddlers are laying in the lobbyists are laying in all the corruption and all the grafts and all that and they're the ones who You know are basically inciting everybody up for the new guy coming in now the other guy just left He's gone three weeks ago. We got a new guy though And he's gonna be he's gonna fit right in for you And so basically and that's that keeps the whole thing churning and so basically I think if the guys got terminated out or elected out They should their staff should take ⁓ you know a little bit of sabbatical somehow from government work, I don't know what the legal process of that is or even if it is legal, but in theory it'd be cool. Scott Miller: Well, again, the problem is that they keep vesting all of this executive power in the bureaucrats that stay there day to day. actually, They say it's the deputies. I think that, you know, the deputies got to go in and out too. Cause so the deputies offices have a lot of power vested in them, but even just below those guys, should be illegal the bureaucrats to have the level of influence that they have on this stuff. They, you know, you should be able to jail them for, well, like for example, all those burn bags they found on the FBI. People should be going to jail for that right now. ⁓ Greg Fink: Right. Yeah. Scott Miller: And just, there's no way to compel the justice department to do it because ⁓ wanting to ⁓ the boat. Even our justice department, there's only a certain level of boat rocking that they're willing to do. ⁓ ⁓ you just gotta compel them. No, no. ⁓ just, go ahead. Tim Marden: Well, the criminals are not going to police themselves. Greg Fink: Yeah. So, so real quick about our Justice Department, what do y'all think about it? This is our first show since Pam Bonnie has been removed. And so what do y'all think about her being removed as attorney general? Tim Marden: She's worn out her usefulness. You know, I think she was put in that place to really control the ⁓ with to some of these Epstein files and the investigations. don't think she was necessarily ⁓ there expose it. A lot these commissions, like I back to the JFK assassination and the Warren Commission was, I think, there in to control the narrative, not to find out who actually killed the man. So I think. Scott Miller: Well, think that she had this deputy thing we were just talking about, know, nowhere is that deputy thing more true than the justice department. There's so much power, you know, vested in the DAG's office and she just tell them to do things so she's blue in the face and her choices are fire them. Tim Marden: Yeah. Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: or just keep trying to persuade them to do their job. And she fired plenty of them. But only so many you can fire. ⁓ so ⁓ replaces her, frankly, I think needs to be not quite so steeped in prosecutor ⁓ culture. mean, Bonney's been a prosecutor her whole life. She ⁓ got out school, went to work for the prosecutor's office over in St. Pete, I Greg Fink: Farl. Yeah. Tim Marden: Yeah. Greg Fink: See you for everybody. Scott Miller: And then there, she a state AG and then she goes to Washington to the AG. So she is so in that culture. She's used to operating the that those offices tend to operate. And we need someone in there who either is a maverick that or not so steeped in that culture, one of the two. Greg Fink: Right. Right. They're talking about Lee Zeldin leaving the EPA and going over to the AG's office. And so that's who they're talking about. He used to be a New York congressman in Long Island and he was a prosecutor or I think it was some sort of up there. Whenever I think it was a state attorney or whatever the version of that is in New York, I might be wrong. But he was also a congressman for quite a while in Long Island. He ran for governor and lost and then he became the EPA director and he's done a really good job of getting a lot of the graph out. He's the one that found all the Scott Miller: Yeah. Greg Fink: that embezzling and all those huge things to the NGOs that the EPA was sending like billions and billions of dollars and he's the one that uncovered all that. And so I think he might be pretty good in attorney general seat if he does get it. Scott Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Tim Marden: Yeah, I don't know enough about him, what you're putting out there sounds like it's pretty attractive. But he's a... Greg Fink: gates? Scott Miller: Yeah, no. Tim Marden: You know, if he's looking... So I kind of put this in a little bit of the category like doctors, you know, if doctors actually fix their patients, they wouldn't have any customers. I feel like attorneys and court systems are the same way. If they don't continue to let these people out to do and commit more crimes, they're not going to have any customer base. you know, if they're actually going to solve problems, they're kind of by nature taking themselves out of a job and they, you know, they don't want to do that. Greg Fink: Right. Tim Marden: know crimes gonna continue there are there is always gonna be something for them to do But she's could just throw us a bone one time ⁓ I think of one real positive thing that Pam Bondi did the whole year. She's been in there. Do you? Scott Miller: Thank you. Greg Fink: I think she did a lot of good things. think she, mean, she, with the Epstein stuff, she did bring a lot of it to the surface and everything a lot more than we ever have before with the other AGs at all. mean, the Pila Q forgetting that this Epstein thing has been around for a while. And whether she handled it all properly or the best in the world, maybe not. But she did better than Merrick Garland did. She did better than, you the AG Bill Barr did. I mean, she actually... Put a lot of pills feed to the fire and got a lot of it out there a lot more than anybody else has done so far. Tim Marden: I think a lot of it was forced, I don't know that she did it voluntarily. Scott Miller: I'll know but what she did do is get most of the attorneys from the Southern District of New York to resign and to me that's a positive. Greg Fink: Yeah, that's a really good thing. Tim Marden: Fair. Fair. Scott Miller: If she did nothing else but get a bunch of these jerks to resign, she's already ahead of where these other guys have been. Greg Fink: I mean, I mean the controversy about her going after a Komi and who's the other person she went after that? guess the other judges didn't agree with her. ⁓ the other? Shoot. ⁓ Scott Miller: No, no, no, no, no. this is the same problem that they've had with the whole Trump narrative to begin with. The about the fraud and stuff like that, ⁓ how all ⁓ accounts were out ⁓ and they all found be baseless. That's the narrative that's out there. The truth is that almost every single one of them was excluded ⁓ because they that person either didn't have lack of standing. ⁓ Greg Fink: Which is not true. Scott Miller: They were filing too early, they were filing too late, and they were all dismissed on procedural grounds. Not a single one was ever dismissed because of factual grounds. Greg Fink: Exactly. That's why I think where she did a good job. She started digging into election fraud, which is real. I mean, people keep saying there's an election fraud. fact, whenever we talk about that on YouTube, YouTube just throttles any of our videos because they said you can't talk about election fraud. No election integrity. get three views and if you buy an ad for YouTube, they just kick it right back and say we can't push it. the and that's the less mentality is that they are afraid of even talking about election fraud, which is real. And that's how we know how real it is. has been, you know, part of us looking this in Alachua County and throughout Florida. I mean, there is a lot of hocus pocus funny business going on in counties a localized level. And people have no until they start digging into it how widespread it really is. ⁓ Tim Marden: Yeah, it is very widespread and you really think like you've gotten to the bottom of it and then uh-oh There's a whole nother layer or there's a whole nother angle. It's it's the the proverbial, know, you just Yeah, like talking to a child. You know, they hit why why why why they it just never stops it never stops Greg Fink: I mean... It is yummy. I know it's kind of talked about this on the last show about the provisional ballots for the lack thereof in Alachua County with all the what we have almost 9000 county to county transfers and what 300 provisional ballots. I mean. Scott Miller: Thank you. Yeah. Tim Marden: Well, Well, yeah, it was wild last week or the week before I was trying to get something from the SOE's office and I had to sign like three different forms or two different forms and I had to go back and forth and ⁓ But you know, going through all these hoops For information that I am entitled to and they're all coming back on these very official official looking SOE forms but Scott Miller: Does it have to say your ID? Greg Fink: No way. Tim Marden: day of voting, you can basically go in there on a Post-It note and change your registration for Cryin' Out Loud. Greg Fink: And there's a mission that's the elections office where I live here in Flagler County now. And she said, well, yeah, that's what we're gonna do. Can you transfer votes? But they're all provisional ballots. I'm like, well, they were not provisional in Alachua. They were thrown into the big ballot box black hole. We have no, mean, we had what? Almost 8,700 kind of transfers in the last day. And there's not enough manpower in Alachua County, even if you grab Tim Marden: Yes. Yes. Greg Fink: a whole bunch of students and fill out that building for labor and pizza and beer. There's not enough manpower to process all those transfers and to verify all of them in that timeframe that they did. And then on top of that, they were not even processed properly. mean, we're talking about Fulton County, Georgia here, where they're having issues with the ballots not being certified and them counting or not counting. They basically have the same issue here in Alachua County. mean, technically these were not. Tim Marden: Yeah. Greg Fink: properly certified because they were supposed to be provisional ballots and not real ballots and once they go into that little anonymous black hole you have no idea who the hell they are. Tim Marden: and and we gave all that information to the state office elections and they just said, yeah, there's not really anything here for ⁓ anything here for us to pursue. Greg Fink: I one of the buildings they used was a, go ahead. Scott Miller: Yeah, but the mistake that we keep making with this is we try to hand these things off to a bureaucrat and expect them to go do their job. that sounds like an awful lot of work to them. The only way you're gonna get a bureaucrat to do something controversial is to embarrass them into doing it. So you have to turn it into a news story, even if it's just a podcast news story, and then buy, buy, buy, buy, buy all the advertising that you can to say that Tim Marden: Yeah. Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: this elected official violating this statute by not doing this thing. And that's the only way you're going to get it done. Greg Fink: I mean, Tim, didn't you bring out like one of the halls that they were using or one of the addresses they were using, I mean, off campus with all the people at the same address. And most of that building was still under construction. I mean, it was right near the campus and right near the main square. And there's no way all those people really lived there yet. mean... Tim Marden: Yeah, a lot of. Scott Miller: There's no way those people occupied that building because they would have violated the fire code. Let alone live there. Tim Marden: right well there was yeah yeah lots of new registrants there lots of middle eastern style names ⁓ yeah very very problematic and just don't you know i just don't have the manpower to be able to you know go track a lot of that stuff down hey guys i gotta get running Scott Miller: Mm-hmm. It's great to have you as always, Tim. Greg Fink: Well, luck. Well, great to have you and we look forward to you on the next show. Okay, good night. Tim Marden: All right, have a good night. Have a good night, thank you. Scott Miller: Absolutely. All right, come on. Greg Fink: But yeah, that was really bizarre. I mean, they look at all the election fraud, and people keep telling me that there's no election fraud, and there is. And they keep thinking that it's all just smoke and mirrors and people just freaking out, and it's not. mean, it's been happening for, and they keep on saying, ⁓ you're picking on Democrats. No, I'm picking on everybody who's been doing it since the 1700s, okay? There's a book called Infamous Scribblers. People should look it up. Scott Miller: No. No? Greg Fink: And it talks about, it documents a lot of the original historical journalists all the elections that were happening in the 1700s and the early 1800s and how a lot of them were just, you know, pieced together. mean, they even created little skirmishes and battles to incite voter turnout. I mean, you know, it's a thing that's been going on for a long, long time. Scott Miller: interesting story that I texted you. yeah, let me get this. ⁓ Yeah, about moon. Greg Fink: or by the moon? Yeah, we didn't make it. Or did we? Scott Miller: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not the evidence that the internet is making it out to be because what they're saying is, is that the, um, they were green, doing green screen up there. The, the, are these astronauts on green screen and the way that they, well, well, well, they had me questioned. did. I will admit had me questioning it for about, you know, about three or four minutes. I'm like, well, that is very strange because they had some kind of plush toy up there. Greg Fink: Really? Scott Miller: that was green and blue like the colors that you might use on a green screen. And as it started floating across the screen, these letters appeared over it like it was a green screen. Greg Fink: ⁓ Scott Miller: then guy that produced the video said, look, when you to the original streams, because this was off of some other channel's when you go to the original stream, that artifact's not there, and it's clearly something that they did. When they were their titles or something like that, there's a lot of reasons that people use green screens. And it was an overlay that... Greg Fink: Exactly. Scott Miller: particular channel that sent that video out But it was interesting to watch for a few minutes. Like, really? Really? Greg Fink: It is. yeah, but what it also shows is that, you know, the entire conspiracy driven world that we're in. I have several people who are just sending us fake videos on AI that creating other people who are traveling around the moon now as well. And mean, it's just I mean, it's just silly. I mean, every single time we tried to do anything to build America. ⁓ Scott Miller: Well, shoot, I should do that. Greg Fink: always somebody out there just trying to knock it down and just poo poo on it. And get the frustration and it's ridiculous. I ⁓ back my question I asked Mike Bates on last week is how can we haven't gone back there more if it was so beneficial and if it so rewarding then how come it wasn't more frequent. But you know, it goes back to same issue with the war. It's above my pay grade. And so I don't work there. I have no idea what's going on. having come from a family of a lot of deep state people, there's a lot of things that you just don't need to know. You're not supposed to know. That's just the way it is. You it and move on. You know? Scott Miller: You I don't know, think you and I were talking the other day about people, do believe that the government is holding back on certain technologies? I mean, ⁓ of they are. Because think about I think back the late ⁓ 90s or something that, I started reading stories from this professor up in Anniston, Alabama. She was a tenured professor and she had a research partner. Greg Fink: Oh, of course. Scott Miller: And they were talking about these anti-gravity experiments that they were doing. And I mean, they were just going to different scientific organizations and getting talks and stuff like that about the progress of their research. Well, then day at the last recorded ⁓ speech that she gave, she was talking about how the Department of Energy had given them a $500,000 grant. And you can actually go to this day. Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: to the Alabama Secretary of State's office and see the name of the company. I wish I could think about it so we could send people to it. But to this day, it's still active. But she quit her tenured position and so did her research assistant. They are partner, not assistant. They both quit their tenured positions. Do you think that the Department of Energy is writing these $500,000 grants to these people? for nothing, for that's not going anywhere. Because I suppose there's something to that. But the thing is, ⁓ the is though, if you can control gravity, and I've said this many times before, if you can control gravity, you can control time. that's the most powerful forces in the universe. Greg Fink: Right. They were with Biden. But you're right there, So yeah, so you're saying by the gravity. Scott Miller: ⁓ yeah. So, I mean, if you can control gravity, you can control time. And, people can barely us with nuclear weapons, let alone things that can warp time and space. ⁓ you through the years, there's been a lot of people that have come up with these sorts of, well, reportedly, there are people who've come up, who've ⁓ shown videos them doing things that do kind of, know, seem to influence and Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: And, and they're doing it in their garage. So if this technology is acknowledged and it becomes a thing, I mean, we're worried about Iran refining uranium. These guys were doing it on their own in the garage. You know, not so, not battle you want to have. Greg Fink: Exactly. And the stuff that's out there that people, mean, there's all kinds of things that the government is funding and is a part of ⁓ which good. And I mean, we go back to the thing. I mean, we've got the Bill of Rights and we have, we should do this and we should only do that. And we were too much from our government. But that being said, you know, without the government funding and other programs that they have funded over the years. Scott Miller: So. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Greg Fink: the technology that we have would not exist today, the ingenuity that we have would not exist today. mean, there's only so much, there's not very many Elon Musk's out there, Bill Gates is out there. I don't really want to talk about Bill Gates with the whole Epstein thing he has going on, but you know, or Michael Dell, Michael Dell's on trouble. So, and so I mean, or Steve, I mean, the point is, you know, need a little leg up. Scott Miller: Right. Right. ⁓ Well. Greg Fink: and to get this kind of research done in a non-graph manner. Scott Miller: Well, I think the reality is that by now they probably have some sorts of detectors that can kind of detect these of disturbances in these fields, fields. ⁓ And whenever gets to that resource, they kind of go and immediately put a stop to it. Greg Fink: Right. Scott Miller: So, but because I do agree that that would be an incredibly dangerous thing for just lay people to have access to. Greg Fink: It will be. It'll be scary and creepy. It'll be horrible. So, real quick, think on the last issue here, I think the... Actually, I was looking at something here. The news, the quartz are a little bit crazy again. Scott Miller: Yeah. They do that. Greg Fink: But it wasn't about that, it ⁓ about Schumer saying that he wants to start whole thing off our end. And it's just so ironic that we have this here the highest elected Jewish person in the US Senate on Democrat side siding with the terrorists so lovingly. Scott Miller: I'll he- ⁓ yes, well that's how dangerous Donald Trump is. Greg Fink: Yeah, but a new poll came out. I which polling firm it was, one of the national polls. They Republicans at a net gain over Democrats right now. So all this bloating that are doing and all this, you know, blowing smoke that they're doing is not working. mean, Republicans might actually possibly win the midterms here, which I think would be really cool and really great. Scott Miller: Well, remember, remember the pollsters that they use, very ⁓ leaning methodologies because ⁓ they actually go to register or likely voters. to registered voters who identify as likely. And these are almost always people that have very little engagement in the political process. Greg Fink: Right, that's true. All right. And so. Yeah, I mean, we just got done doing a couple of polls last week and this weekend. And basically we only go after people that have a score of 85 or higher. I mean, you it's, it had to be, have a pretty good criteria of a list to get your accuracy right. And, you know, I mean, it's a, it's a little bit of work, but it's not. I mean, if you actually just, it's a real simple Excel file. I mean, come on guys, wake up. Scott Miller: Yeah. You Greg Fink: But I get it, know, they're trying to give the data to the client that the client wants that's just so bad to do. You give them what the client needs, not what they want. ⁓ Scott Miller: Thank Well, then the client won't hire you again. No, they won't. No, they won't. You know they won't. They're not doing it for accuracy. They're doing it to prove a point. And the media and all of them are doing it to support the narratives that they're promoting. Greg Fink: Or they might, you know? mean... We're in. Right. And so that being said, it's going be interesting election year. think that Republicans are going to actually do a lot better than people think. I do think this whole thing with Iran, the gas prices, think, with America's short attention span, it will be a fleeting here in about three months if we get the prices and inflation start coming down again, everything pretty ravelry, and it probably will. But if it doesn't, then it's going to be... I'm paying in the butt and the mess, but I'm pretty confident it's going to come down. Scott Miller: I think so too. Greg Fink: And so, but I think we're going to call it a night here. where are you at tonight anyway? What part of the country are you in? Okay, that's a beautiful setting back there. Scott Miller: soon. I'm in Panama City tonight. Yeah, yeah, it's just a little parking lot, but you get the angle just right, the right lighting, you can make anything look good. Greg Fink: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, exactly. And well, guys, joins again next week and follow us on any social media platform you can find us on because we're on all of them and all the podcast platforms. And you all have a good evening. See you later, Scott.