Latest / Connecting the Dots / Nasdaq Eyes Tokenized Securities, Rainforest Disrupts Payments, and CoinShares Goes Public
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- 0:00Today's tech news moves fast, but understanding
- 0:03it shouldn't be hard. That's why Snarfl Solutions
- 0:06Group brings you Connecting the Docs, where we
- 0:09break down what's happening in tech and why it
- 0:11matters to you. Now, let's dive in with your
- 0:14hosts. Welcome to Connecting the Docs. I'm Alex.
- 0:17And I'm Morgan. Great to be with you today. Happy
- 0:19Monday, everyone. It is September 8th, 2025.
- 0:23Hope you had a good weekend and are ready to
- 0:25start the week. Definitely ready. Before we jump
- 0:27into our main story, should we do a quick check
- 0:29on the weather and markets? Let's do it. Looks
- 0:32like some rush weather potentially down south
- 0:33today. Severe thunderstorms firing up in the
- 0:36southern plains, western Kansas, northwest Oklahoma,
- 0:39the panhandles. Could see some hail damaging
- 0:41winds. Oof, yeah. Stay safe down there. But good
- 0:45news for the eastern US and mid -south looks
- 0:47cooler and clearer for you folks. And right here
- 0:50in sunny Sacramento looking pretty nice high
- 0:52of 83 Fahrenheit today. Can't complain. Not at
- 0:55all. Our markets on Friday the Dow closed at
- 0:57forty five thousand three hundred twenty one
- 0:59point ninety Nia. uh... down about a hundred
- 1:02eight points of minus point two four percent
- 1:05for the day in the week and the s and p five
- 1:06hundred pretty flat rate of very flat closed
- 1:08at six thousand four hundred ninety six point
- 1:10ten a down just under two points of minus point
- 1:13zero three percent basically unchanged but bitcoin
- 1:16showing some life again it is close at a hundred
- 1:19and twelve thousand two hundred twenty one point
- 1:21two a that's up almost a percent for the day
- 1:23uh... just over a thousand points and it's up
- 1:26about two point seven three percent since the
- 1:28first of september Interesting divergence there.
- 1:30Okay, one more crucial update. The Giants? Oh,
- 1:33don't remind me. Yeah. Lost to the Card Rolls
- 1:35yesterday, September 7th. Tight game 3 -4. Tough
- 1:39loss. Looks like Sunny Gray got the win for St.
- 1:43Louis and their guy Nathan Church had a couple
- 1:45of hits. Oh well. Yeah, tough one. Okay, let's
- 1:48pivot to our main focus today, the Morningstar,
- 1:50our Snarfle Tech article report. We've got three
- 1:53big stories connecting finance and tech. Right.
- 1:56These aren't just abstract tech news items. We
- 1:58want to connect the dots for you, show how this
- 1:59stuff actually impacts businesses, professionals,
- 2:02maybe even your own wallet. Exactly. So first
- 2:03up, Rainforest. It's an Atlanta -based startup
- 2:06and they just pulled in a pretty significant
- 2:08$29 million in Series B funding. 29 million.
- 2:11That brings our total to what? Over 50 million
- 2:14since 2022? Yeah, $57 .5 million total. So investors
- 2:18like Matrix Partners, Infinity Ventures, Excel,
- 2:21TechSquare Ventures, they're clearly seeing something
- 2:23they like. OK, so what's the magic? What does
- 2:25Rainforest actually do? Well, they're in the
- 2:28payment space. They call themselves a payments
- 2:30as a service provider. But the key thing is how
- 2:33they do it. They embed payment processing directly
- 2:37into other software platforms embedded payments.
- 2:39We hear that term a lot Can you break that down
- 2:41like give us an example? Sure think about Software
- 2:46for a specific industry like maybe your local
- 2:49gym uses an app for booking classes and memberships
- 2:52Alright, or maybe a contractor uses special software
- 2:55for scheduling jobs and sending invoices Rainforest
- 2:59helps that software company handle the payments
- 3:01seamlessly within their own app or platform.
- 3:04Ah, OK. So instead of the gym needing a separate
- 3:07payment system or the contractor sending you
- 3:09to, I don't know, PayPal, it all just happens
- 3:11inside the software they're already using. Exactly.
- 3:14It's aimed particularly at what's called vertical
- 3:16saws, software built for one specific industry,
- 3:19like health care, home services, education, things
- 3:22like that. And why is that such a big deal? Don't
- 3:24companies like Stripe or Adian already do similar
- 3:27things? Well, that's Rainforest's main argument.
- 3:30Their CEO, Joshua Silver, says they are, quote,
- 3:33purpose -built for these software platforms.
- 3:36He argues that the big players like Stripe, Adian,
- 3:40FIS, Fizzerv, they started by serving individual
- 3:43merchants first. OK. And then they kind of retrofitted
- 3:46their systems to work for software platforms.
- 3:49Rainforest says, nope, we started with the platform
- 3:51in mind. So what difference does that make in
- 3:54practice? It means they focus on things platforms
- 3:57really care about, like detailed reporting on
- 4:00residuals, the cut the platform gets from the
- 4:02payments, and managing lots of different merchants
- 4:04under one umbrella, things that might be secondary
- 4:07for the bigger, more general players. Hmm, interesting
- 4:10angle. So it's not just about making payments
- 4:11easy, it's about making the business of payments
- 4:13easy for the software company itself. Precisely.
- 4:16And it's a huge value proposition for those SaaS
- 4:18companies. They could apparently increase their
- 4:20revenue per customer by like 2x to 5x just by
- 4:24adding these embedded finance features. Wow,
- 4:26two to five times. So they could end up making
- 4:27more money from the payments than from their
- 4:29actual software subscription. Potentially, yeah.
- 4:33It turns payments from just a necessity, maybe
- 4:35even a cost center, into a major profit driver.
- 4:38And for the end customer, like you paying your
- 4:41gym or your contractor. It just feels smoother,
- 4:44more integrated, less hassle. Makes sense. So
- 4:47how are they doing? Is the strategy working?
- 4:49Apparently so. They mentioned 10x growth in annual
- 4:52recurring revenue just since June 2024. They're
- 4:56processing billions in live volume now. Ten times
- 4:59growth. That's explosive. It really is. And they're
- 5:02planning to hire more people, expand into Canada
- 5:04and add new features like tap to phone, letting
- 5:07businesses use smartphones as payment terminals.
- 5:09And they're using AI too, right, for fraud detection.
- 5:12Yeah, they mentioned using AI in their risk management,
- 5:15which, you know, is pretty essential when you're
- 5:16handling billions of dollars to stay ahead of
- 5:18the fraudsters. No kidding. It just shows you
- 5:21this embedded finance market is absolutely enormous.
- 5:24What were the projections? Something like seven
- 5:25trillion dollars by 2026. Yeah, up from. Maybe
- 5:292 .6 trillion dollars back in 2021. It's massive
- 5:33growth. Even with giants like Stripe around,
- 5:35there's clearly still room for focus players
- 5:38like Rainforest to carve out a big niche. It
- 5:41really hammers home how fundamental payments
- 5:43are and how much innovation is still happening
- 5:45under the hood. Okay, so that's payments becoming
- 5:47embedded, almost invisible. What about the actual
- 5:50assets being traded? Well, that brings us nicely
- 5:52to our second story from the Morningstar. This
- 5:55one involves NASDAQ. NASDAQ, the exchange itself.
- 5:58What are they up to? They've filed a pretty bold
- 6:00proposal with the SEC, the Securities and Exchange
- 6:03Commission. They want to allow the trading of
- 6:05tokenized securities on their main market. Tokenized
- 6:08securities, like stocks and ETFs, but... on a
- 6:12blockchain. Essentially, yes. Taking traditional
- 6:14assets like a share of Apple stock or an S &P
- 6:17500 ETF and creating a digital token that represents
- 6:20ownership of that asset on a blockchain. Okay,
- 6:22hold on. Let's unpack tokenization for everyone.
- 6:25Why is this significant? Why turn a regular stock
- 6:27into a token? Right. So tokenization just means
- 6:30creating that digital representation. Think of
- 6:33it like getting a digital deed for a share instead
- 6:36of just an entry in a broker's database. The
- 6:39significance. Well, if the SEC approves this,
- 6:43it'd be the first time tokenized securities could
- 6:45trade on a major US exchange. It's a huge step
- 6:49in bridging traditional finance stratify with
- 6:51the world of blockchain and digital assets. Wow,
- 6:54okay. So how would this actually work for, say,
- 6:57you or me if we wanted to buy some tokenized
- 6:59shares? Would it feel different? Nasdaq says
- 7:02for the investor buying or selling, the process
- 7:04wouldn't really change much upfront. Orders would
- 7:07be routed, priced, monitored, reported just like
- 7:09normal shares. The difference happens at settlement,
- 7:12the final step where the ownership officially
- 7:14changes hands. Instead of the traditional process,
- 7:16it would settle using the token on a blockchain.
- 7:18And what about investor protection? Are these
- 7:20tokens the same as holding the actual stock?
- 7:23That's the absolute crucial point. NASDAQ And
- 7:26folks at the SEC like Commissioner Hester Pierce
- 7:28have been very clear. These tokenized securities
- 7:31must carry the exact same rights and privileges
- 7:33as the traditional version. Pierce famously said,
- 7:36tokenized securities are still securities. You
- 7:38own the same thing, just represented differently.
- 7:41That's good to hear. So what are the potential
- 7:43benefits, then? Faster settlement. That's one
- 7:46big potential benefit, yeah. Proponents argue
- 7:48it could make settlement much faster, more efficient,
- 7:51maybe eventually even instant. instead of taking
- 7:53a day or two like now. It could also improve
- 7:56overall liquidity in the system. Are there potential
- 7:58downsides? New risks we should think about. Putting
- 8:01everything on a blockchain. Does that open doors
- 8:04for different kinds of problems like cyber attacks
- 8:07or bugs in the code? That's definitely a valid
- 8:09concern. You introduce elements like smart contract
- 8:12risk, potential vulnerabilities in the blockchain
- 8:14itself, and fixing errors on an immutable ledger
- 8:17can be tricky. That's the trade -off you explore
- 8:20with new tech. But the really exciting potential,
- 8:23I think, goes beyond just faster settlement.
- 8:26Imagine being able to easily buy and sell fractions
- 8:28of things that are currently hard to trade, like
- 8:31a piece of commercial real estate or maybe even
- 8:34a stake in a private company. Tokenization could
- 8:37theoretically make ownership of those kinds of
- 8:40assets much more accessible. Right, the whole
- 8:41digital ownership of everything idea. That could
- 8:44really change how people invest and build wealth,
- 8:47couldn't it? Yeah. Making illiquid stuff liquid.
- 8:49It really could. And Nasdaq isn't doing this
- 8:51in a vacuum. They noted that some platforms over
- 8:54in Europe are already offering tokenized versions
- 8:56of U .S. stocks, maybe sometimes without actually
- 8:59holding the underlying shares properly. So this
- 9:01is partly about setting a regulated above board
- 9:04standard here in the U .S. to compete with that.
- 9:07Exactly. Create a trusted, equivalent way to
- 9:09do it within the established US market structure.
- 9:12Now, don't expect this tomorrow. NASDAQ thinks
- 9:14the first token -settled trades might happen
- 9:16maybe late Q3, 2026. 2026. OK, so still a ways
- 9:20off. What's the holdup? Infrastructure needs
- 9:22to be built primarily by the DTC, the Depository
- 9:24Trust Company. They're the ones who handle the
- 9:27settlement for almost all US stock trades currently.
- 9:30They need to develop the plumbing to handle token
- 9:32-based settlement. Got it. So a major step towards
- 9:35digital assets, but the groundwork still needs
- 9:38laying. It definitely feels like the direction
- 9:39things are heading, though. OK, let's move to
- 9:42our third story, which also ties into this theme
- 9:44of crypto becoming more mainstream in finance.
- 9:47Right. This one's about coin shares. They're
- 9:49a big European crypto asset manager based in
- 9:52Jersey, and they're planning to go public here
- 9:54in the U .S. Going public in the U .S. How are
- 9:56they doing that? Through a merger with a SPAC,
- 9:58a special purpose acquisition company called
- 10:00Vinehill Capital Investment Corp, which is already
- 10:02listed on NASDAQ. The deal values coin shares
- 10:05at about $1 .2 billion and should close by the
- 10:08end of this year 2025. OK, coin shares. How big
- 10:12are they? What do they manage? They're pretty
- 10:13substantial. They manage around $10 billion in
- 10:16assets. They offer 32 different crypto ETPs,
- 10:20exchange traded products, things tracking Bitcoin,
- 10:23Ether, Solana, other tokens. They're actually
- 10:27the fourth largest provider of these digital
- 10:29asset ETPs globally. $10 billion under management.
- 10:33Wow. So why the move to the U .S. market now?
- 10:35What's the driver? Well, their CEO, Jean -Marie
- 10:38Maguette, called it a decisive inflection point.
- 10:42He pointed specifically to increasing regulatory
- 10:44clarity here in the U .S. for digital assets.
- 10:47Regulation again. So the U .S. is becoming more
- 10:50attractive from a rules perspective. It seems
- 10:52that way, at least in the view of coin shares.
- 10:55Magnetti believes getting a U .S. listing will,
- 10:57quote, reinforce credibility and expand reach.
- 11:00It really underscores how important the U .S.
- 11:02market and its regulatory environment are becoming
- 11:04for global crypto firms. That's interesting because
- 11:07you hear conflicting things sometimes weren't
- 11:09there reports like from PWC saying some traditional
- 11:11funds were maybe thinking of leaving the U .S.
- 11:13because of regulatory uncertainty in the past.
- 11:16Exactly. Yeah. Which makes this move by a major
- 11:19crypto native firm like CoinShares even more
- 11:22significant. It suggests a potential shift. Maybe
- 11:25that the regulatory picture is becoming clearer
- 11:27or at least predictable enough for major players
- 11:30to commit to a U .S. listing. It might even pressure
- 11:33other regions to clarify their own rules so they
- 11:35don't lose out. Sort of a follow the clarity
- 11:37effect, maybe. So what does this mean for US
- 11:40investors? Well, more access, essentially. Access
- 11:44to crypto investment products from a pretty successful
- 11:47established manager. They mentioned their assets
- 11:50have grown over 200 % in just the last two years.
- 11:53100 % growth. Impressive. And they're not just
- 11:55listing the parent company, they're also setting
- 11:56up a US hedge fund unit that'll be for qualified
- 11:59investors offering actively managed strategies
- 12:01to try and capitalize on crypto's, you know,
- 12:04volatility. So offering different ways to play
- 12:07the crypto market, it really does feel like another
- 12:08step in validating crypto as a serious asset
- 12:11class, even with all its ups and downs. And they're
- 12:13profitable too, right? Very. They reported a
- 12:1676 % adjusted EBITDA margin for the first half
- 12:20of this year. 76 % EBITDA margin. For listeners,
- 12:24EBITDA is earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation
- 12:27and amortization. It basically shows how much
- 12:30cash profit a company makes from its core operations.
- 12:3376 % is. Well, it's incredibly high, shows a
- 12:37very efficient business. It really does. These
- 12:40aren't just hobby projects. They're serious,
- 12:42profitable businesses being built in the digital
- 12:44asset space. All right. Fascinating stuff. That
- 12:46wraps up our Morningstar report for today. Three
- 12:49really key stories showing how tech is fundamentally
- 12:52rewiring finance. Yeah, just to quickly recap,
- 12:56we had Rainforest, the embedded payments provider,
- 12:58securing major funding by focusing specifically
- 13:00on vertical SaaS platforms, really changing their
- 13:03economics. Then Nasdaq's big move, proposing
- 13:06to list tokenized securities on its main exchange,
- 13:08a potential game changer for how assets are owned
- 13:11and traded, bringing blockchain closer to the
- 13:13mainstream. And finally, CoinShares, the major
- 13:16European crypto manager, coming to the US public
- 13:18market via a SPAC, signaling growing confidence
- 13:21in the US regulatory scene and giving investors
- 13:23more access. All three really highlight this
- 13:26deep integration happening between tech and finance.
- 13:30It's changing how businesses operate, how money
- 13:32moves, and ultimately how you interact with financial
- 13:35services every day. Makes you wonder what's next,
- 13:38doesn't it? As everything gets digitized, what
- 13:41new kinds of value or ownership might pop up?
- 13:43It's a space to watch, for sure. Constant evolution.
- 13:47We're here to help at Snarful, so reach out on
- 13:49our website if you have any more questions. That's
- 13:55a wrap on today's top stories. Remember, tech
- 13:57doesn't have to be complicated, and we're here
- 14:00to help connect the dots. If you've got questions
- 14:03or want to learn more, visit us at snarful .com.
- 14:06Thanks for listening, and we'll catch you next
- 14:08time.