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- Tony: Good evening, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Guardians of the Republic. As usual, joining me is Tony Hughes up in Alabama. How are you, Tony? Jonathan: Hey Jonathan, good to ha good to see you. Good to have you. Tony: Yeah, seems like it's been a while. Also join us in central Florida is Charles Marfield. are you tonight, Charles: Good, Jonathan, good to see you back with us tonight and and good to see you, Tony. How you doing up here in Alabama? Jonathan: I'm doing I'm doing great. We're Jonathan, we tried to hold the port down for you while you were gone. Tony: It sounds good. ⁓ So yeah, obviously. Jonathan: Well, before we get started, could I could I just kinda interrupt? I I just wanna pay honor to the service and the sacrifice of the the eight people that were killed in that B fifty two crash yesterday. That was that was at Evers Air Force Base, which is the home of the Air Force Test Center that was as I understand that they were on a mission, they were testing a new radar in a B fifty two and and it crashed Tony: Yeah, that was. Jonathan: very shortly after takeoff and you know, just from the pictures it looked like it it burned completely up. I mean it's just there's really nothing left of it and as I understand there would be there were six airmen on board and there were two Boeing employees ⁓ that were killed in that in that crash and although the Air Force hasn't officially released the name and I did see a news report of ⁓ and I won't mention their name but it was on the it was one of the New York newspapers that released it. Apparently there's someone has started to go thumb the ⁓ pays for one of the families, but it was a a lieutenant colonel and a squadron commander of one of the test units there at Edwards that was killed in that crash too. So, you know yeah, serving the military is is honorable. It's it takes courage and it is dangerous even with training. So it you don't have to be in combat to to to be killed or or wounded severely in the military. And I just wanted to kinda start the night off. I don't mean to start off off off on a on a on a downbeat, but you know Tony: I know, that's... Jonathan: That that's something that we we always honor our military and yeah. I just wanted to to note their sacrifice and prayers for their families. The photograph I saw of this this Lieutenant Colonel, wife and two small children. So ⁓ yeah, tough tough tough way to start the week off but Charles: I concur with that Tony and I and I pray that the Lord God will be graceful of merciful all their families and particularly the younger children that that his grace and his mercy, his goodness will will sustain them in the weeks and months and years to come. Even in you do even in your apprentices and royal family are mandatory to go to the military. And we don't have that here. And sometimes we really don't give our service men and women the honor that they really deserve into a time like D. Jonathan: 'Cause they all volunte they all volunteered for it. Yeah. And you know th and I will and I can't I can't leave the B fifty two ⁓ without saying this as well. The airplanes now obviously they had been reworked and maintained and the whole nine yards, but if if it is in fact the airplane that they said it was, ⁓ that airplane was built in nineteen sixty. So the airplane would have been sixty Tony: That's gotta say it's a O. A D I Airman, fire now. Jonathan: Yeah. I mean who's driving around in cars today that are sixty six years old? No one. Yeah. They have a long image Tony: I mean, too, it's kind of weird that that technology is still so good because, know, if you tried to fly a softwoods cam on World War II, you wouldn't get very far, you know, but, know, we're flying that and there's some other older aircraft as well. I know the Hornet can't do everything on a carrier like the other planes used to do, but the Vikings are still flying. Yeah. And it's in Marine warfare. The Rhyans have been around almost as long as the, the B-52s. So yeah, it's yeah. Jonathan: You know, they built that B fifty two to obviously can't withstand a nuclear blast, but it was built to withstand the radiation from a nuclear blast. So it was kind of the over engineered out course these things that they got new new wings, new engines, new this, new that. They got the the glass canopies and I mean they the glass cockpits now. So it it's it's but but some of that basic airplane is still there and it is kind of a shame that that we have neglected that aspect of our air force that you we were still asking people to fly in airplanes like that. And you know, there was there was a saying that went around maybe ten or fifteen years ago, I'm not sure how accurate it is today, but they said that the that the grandson ⁓ let's see how it goes. Basically basically what they're saying the grand that the grandfather, the grandfather's grandson Who will still fly the D fifty two has not been born yet. So they were they were basically saying there would be at least three or four more generations of pilots flying the B fifty two before they get ready to retire it. And I think it is it is still planning to go well into the future. Now, the good news is the Air Force and the and the and the US government is paying for I guess it's the B twenty one of the the Raider, which is ⁓ kind of like the B two, but it's a little bit smaller, a little bit more up to date. And they're gonna produce those in mass and hopefully we'll actually produce them in mass because our our bombers our bomber capability is really, really bad. Evidenced by E sixty bombers. Tony: That's what I would call... Charles: A Johnson and his John. Tony: Okay. Charles: When I first when I first saw this, I had my two SDs when I when I read and saw this ⁓ about this. Number one was for the families, but then number two, I was really upset, outraged internally because we've talked about this on this show. About I don't understand for the life of me why the B fifty two is still in circulation now. It's nineteen sixty, we United States freaking up America. We got billions to go ⁓ to sensing wars if we can't protect our soldiers and our men and women for the most modern update of ⁓ military equipment, it's ridiculous. It it's not acceptable. And that's on us. We ought to be ashamed of this. We've got to be better than this. And we got to modernize our equipment, our eternal warfare capacity, our our readiness, and and some of these things, some of these equipment It's gotta be we just gotta either redefine them, take the original concept and modernize them, or shift ⁓ It's just that simple because I just can't, for the life of me, think that we're in ⁓ we're f flying around with B fifty two from nineteen sixty. Just out. Tony: You know Jonathan: You know, Char it really is outrageous and is it's an embarrassment. And honestly, part of the problem is that the military's always trying to fight the last war, not the next war. And there's there's so many and and Johnson can probably attest to this, there there's so many stove pipes within the Pentagon. There's so much territory that is that people try to protect in the Pentagon. And and really this kinda dovetails perfectly into what we're I know was gonna be our number one topic tonight, and that's the war That's Trump's war in Iran. And and that is it it it shows the power of air power, but it also shows the limitations of air power. Because a a an an enemy that does not want to be defeated will not be defeated just by air. And the only way to truly defeat an enemy is to send troops on the ground, which takes the political will of the entire nation. You know, we had that will in World War Two. Tony: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: against Japan and against Germany, we also did not have that will against ⁓ Korea as it as Korea turned out because of China's involvement with it. And and we lost our will in Vietnam. You know, I remember there was a and I I don't remember who the ⁓ who the parties were, but there was a some meeting, some conference after Saigon fell and ⁓ you know, we started kind of patching things up with with ⁓ with Vietnam between us and our our country and them. And there was a meeting of ⁓ the militaries of some of the generals that that fought in that war that were now retired. And ⁓ one of the American generals was talking to a North Korean I mean a North Vietnamese general and ⁓ you know that that the American generals said, you know, every major battle that we fought, we won And the North Vietnamese general said, Yes, and that is completely irrelevant. Because, you know, I mean you you go back and look at even the American Revolutionary War, George Washington always was outnumbered. ⁓ he was always strategically retreating to live to fight another day. Mm and and really today they ha they really only won one really big battle and that was the last one. Right. But that was the one that counted. And ⁓ you know, once they defeated Cornwallis, you know, the gig was up and and we you know, Great Britain decided that they'd had enough. Tony: Exactly. Jonathan: And and so you know, air air power only can take you so far. ⁓ you can do a lot of manners, you can certainly defeat the you can certainly defeat their an adversary's willingness to fight. And I know the Air Force prides itself in holding every target in the world at risk at a time and and and place of their ch of the air force's choosing to destroy it. Not not not. Tony: The same thing, World War I, I mean, they had this after the trench warfare developed, they had this idea. If you bombard that trench for two weeks, then you should be able to take it. And both sides did that. And then as soon as I blew whistles and went over the top, all the other side came out of the dugouts and started shooting back. had no, it had a, and then air power was the same thing. Jonathan: That's right. Tony: You know, well, it was strategic in world war II, but like in Vietnam, it was like, you know, all of the, dropped more bombs in Vietnam than we dropped in world war II. And that was one of the reasons that B-52 is still around is we still don't have an aircraft with that payload capability. mean, we, 15,000 bombs at Vodafone. Jonathan: Yeah, that's a bunch. But you know, but that but there i but there does need to be, I think, a serious reckoning and a serious conversation at some point in time with our country about what we do with our army. Because I mean warfare has changed. I mean, our adversaries, China, Russia, you know, with with drone warfare, you know, the idea we're gonna put a we're gonna put three hundred thousand troops on ships and send them across the Pacific Ocean to invade China, that's not That's never gonna happen. I mean they get blown out of the water. There's no way to protect them. You know, against you can't protect them against drones, you can't protect them against submarines, ballistic missiles. So, you know, we're not gonna have another World War Two tight war. And and you know, I now again this is news reports, I'm not there, but supposedly the last ⁓ month Tony: No, we've Jonathan: to Ukraine has actually taken back more land than it's lost. Yeah. Russia's the one that's that's losing more troops. They're losing more troops than they can recruit right now. So a big army a big army, you know, doesn't necessarily help you in today's fight. Tony: Yeah. No, and it's, it's military doctrine. Like you said, we were always fighting the last war and we were, but after 250 years, never learned the thing with, uh, well, war, war one, that was everybody. But what was bad at the beginning is they were still using Napoleonic marches in mass when we had rifled repeating rifles, you know, that it. You trade two or three people at a time if they were lined up right. And then, you know, casualties were atrocious during that initial assault Germany did in the France. And then they hunkered down and it became trench warfare. But for a while it was all these mass troops just glazing away at each other. Jonathan: You remember Call of I mean we were we were more prepared for World War One again when World War Two started. Yeah. And I remember, you know, they they talked about General Patton and General Sherman, you know, they had a hard time talking the army into even developing a tank because they were going to continue using horses for cavalry. And and then when they start and then in Vietnam to use helicopters as cavalry was just mind blowing to everyone. You know, airborne troops of World War Two. ⁓ they They n nobody ever conceived of such a thing. So you know, you have to you have to be able I I I s I see the I see the need for special forces. I see the needs for Deltas, Delta Force and SEAL teams and Air Force special tactics and and you know these these ⁓ limited footprints, go in, get a bad guy, you know, like the Venos Mail Venos Male operation. We're gonna go in, we're parent targeted, we're gonna we're gonna put the protective bubble around that team while they do their thing. And then we're gonna come out and we're not gonna leave a footprint and we'll get that high value target and hopefully gonna be the end of it. To go to go against, you know, a a a a tier enemy, we're just not gonna be we're not gonna be pitting two big armies together anymore. I Well you can't. Tony: I mean, it's, we've known since the cold war that the next world war was going to be nuclear. Well, then if not right away, the idea was either a sneak attack or the Warsaw pack was going to rumble through Berlin and on into Western Europe, at which point the tactical nukes would happen. And then that would lead to, you know, full out nuclear war. So any wars we really had have been more like. Like the Gulf war or, you know, Britain fighting Argentina over the Falklands. That's been about it. Well, of course the Ukraine and Russia, but anytime if there's wars, ever going to be a war with the superpowers heading off, it's going to go nuclear at some point. Charles: Well well what Jonathan and Tony, this is this is the bottom line. You know, we as Americans and our ma military brass has got to realize that that right now the the real war is economic war. Okay. Having the ⁓ a a superior economy, cyber warfare, those are the two biggest elements that you have to fight right now going forward. Third, you gotta look at You gotta make a segment. War is the ultimate insanity that ⁓ civilized nations govern and and our exercise. But the reality of it, just like any other ⁓ sport contest, and I'm not trying I know it's apples and orange because we're talking about lives, but the reality is that when you lose, you gotta say something was effective. I didn't win. I didn't win the championship or whatever. So if you wanna build well, you gotta look With things to say, what can I improve in? How can I be better? What I need to do in all s offseed as an athlete. Now, the same thing like with war has to happen. We're seeing drones. That's the other element. Keep drones in the as we transition to the Iran, the most current situation going in Iran. We've seen Iran literally win this war. Any military person with the brain and anybody's will tell you Iran. slamp dunked us in terms of this so-called ⁓ a deal, if it's a real deal anyway. But the point I don't really make it for right now is that is that they was using inexpensive drones, destroying multi-billion dollar American. So we got the brass, we got we spend the most money, we're gonna have the most bells and whistles in terms of equipment. But at the end of the day, when you were talking about World World War One, World War II, it ain't big names. The terrain, the mountainous area. You need to destroy the air defense system of the enemy and you need to control the air. Those two things were automatic when you didn't know the terrain. Well, nobody's doing that anymore. You can't be even special forces are not gonna be allowed to go in the in into other people's countries without permission. And so in in order to use their air space or whatever. You gotta get permission. And so if you have allies and you wanna be, you know, a Superman and just just bully people, it's not gonna work. So we see it right now that started raping some of those Middle Eastern countries. Like, no, you you no America, you can't do that now. Because people kind of getting tired of the war because everybody's getting affected with this with this war. He thought it was gonna be another Venezuela and it didn't happen that way. Tony: Not, just Saudi Arabia, but Britain, France, Germany, Italy, our longest term allies. Yeah. You can't use our facilities in this. You know, so that's, that's what Trump has wrapped. Jonathan: Well, it's gonna be interesting to see when this ⁓ agreement does come out and what it says and what it and what it doesn't say and you know, and it's it's I think it's unbelievable 'cause I've listened all day long to the news about, you know, Lindsey Graham hasn't seen it. Can't believe he hasn't seen it yet. You know, it says, Well, when I when I hear what a red says about it it scares me, but then I hear what the president says about it, it makes me feel better. And, you know, so he So there's there's so much misinformation about there. I I did see just before we went on air, I saw a leaked cop what was alleged to be a leaked copy of it, but who knows whether it is or not. Yeah. But 'cause I saw it on the internet. So like Abraham Lincoln says, everything on the internet's true. So ⁓ I tell you I tell you the thing that's re regardless of what's in the document or not on the document, the Middle East is never gonna be the same again, I don't think. Neither Iran has shown Tony: Thank you. Well... us neither is the United States of America. Jonathan: Well, that's true, because I mean we we we talked about this last week so Trump overplayed his hand with with our military and and he's shown our soft underbelly that we do not have the political will to send in troops for regime change. Now, we living in the United States of America already knew that. And a vast majority, two to one two to one of the American public has has not been in favor of this war because nobody believes Trump's BS about they were fixed to have a nuclear weapon because everybody knows the the nuclear material is buried underneath a mountain of rock and granite. So there they just it just wasn't gonna happen. Now could it happen one decade from now? Maybe. Who knows? But it certainly was not an imminent threat to us like Trump made it out to be. China, China, China. This is you know Tony: and even if it was Jonathan: Iran has now shown that even with the military might of the United States, with the United States Navy and the United States Air Force in for and the United States Marine Corps in force, you know, there in the in the Persian Gulf and and and at at the at the border of where Oman is, you know, with our blockade, that we could not keep the strait open to international shipping and that Iran can close the strait any time they want to. Mm-hmm. And at least economically that is their nuclear weapon. That was a massive disruption to global economic trade. It was as if they sent off a nuclear weapon without the nucle without the radioactive fallout. And who who's the biggest customer of oil coming through the Strait of Hormuz is China. And and the entire Far East, not just China, but but the other the other allied nations of ours get a lot of their oil, get a large oil through the straight, through And and yeah, we're not dependent upon it, but a lot of our friends and a lot of our enemies are. And if Iran can turn that spigot on and off when they want to, they don't really care. I mean I really don't think Iran cares what the agreements are. You know, they don't get bombed and they want their money. So they don't I keep on hearing, well, they've gotta they've gotta show that they're that they've that they've changed. I I heard J D Vance Is he really as big of a fool as he makes out is as I think he is 'cause I thought he was a smart guy. But he he you know he said about a week ago that all the major conflicts like World War Two were signed were ended with a negotiation. ⁓ shit. I mean, we demolished Germany. There was no negotiation with Germany. We demolished Germany. We dropped two atomic weapons on Japan and they unconditionally surrendered. I mean they s yeah, they signed a document, but there was no Yeah. We didn't negotiate nothing with negotiated. They surrendered. We didn't negotiate anything with Italy. That Axis, the the the the Germany, Italy and Japan. They didn't negotiate anything. We defeated them. Tony: Dude, hey! Charles: I felt that it was new. I mean Tony: The thing that you have to at is this petulant, childish president we've got. Again, anything that Obama did is bad, so I have to have a better deal. So, you know, let's use the military. Let's sacrifice 14 servicemen, billions of dollars in equipment and bluster. And, you know, what was it every day like? We're going to hit them tomorrow. We hit them tomorrow and it didn't. And at the end of the we've got an agreement and just the preliminary numbers is worse than the one we had before. Jonathan: We heard it we heard it for two months that that that the agreement was agreed to. Agreed to. Tony: But I mean- Charles: It wasn't between this is the thing. From what I'm well from what I'm understanding from you know somewhat legitimate reporting, these are the fundamentals that it's supposed to be. First, I already get the three hundred billion dollars that we bombed them to restore their country. Now, d the deal is that's three hundred I believe they want from America and another two hundred billion from the Gulf allies, okay? So basically they want about five hundred thousand bucks. To ask the United States, I believe 300, 300 billion for restoration. Then you have 24 billion and unfreezing of their assets, and they want half of that up front. Okay. So then their 60 days is not a real seat spot because really they're spending this in a line way, but in reality, this really is a memorandum of understanding, Tony and and John. Jonathan: Yeah. Charles: So basically it's a member of a random understanding. So then you have 60 days to quote unquote cease fire. But we've now heard from Is Israel, our worst enemy in my view, because their Israel is telling them that does not apply to us. Your agreement does not apply to us. So basically they're gonna keep bombing Lebanon. Iran made this a big part of the deal that Israel must stop bombing Lebanon. And you remember when there was some version of ceasefire, even though it wasn't written, just because he, you know, the president said it was, but when there was seemingly some level of of ceasefire a couple times before, who who was who was shoot ⁓ bombing ⁓ Lebanon? Israel. And they don't want this agreement now. Israel won't continue war, and we got to stop that. Now, the other part about this so far agreement that Tony: You know Charles: We don't know. We promised to get it by front eye, which there's no real verification. ⁓ and if people keep saying that you and Latin down was a formal agreement. We were representing of the United States, but we had like at least seven or if not eight of our allies that signed this agreement. And this is the problem and and the last thing for my understanding, Iran would now permanently control at his own discretion. the Strait of Homooks. Before this, it was considered international waters. Now Iran just you know in this war just decided to take over. But before that, it was understood Iran, that's not that's not your territory. Now we we if we put something right, you giving them the green light saying, well d we control this night. And that's really if if if Iran allowed to control the Strait of Homooks wherever they want to They don't need a nuclear weapon. That is the Jonathan: Well, you know, I I don't well I don't really want to go too deep down the rabbit hole about what's in or what's not the group 'cause we nobody nobody really se has technically seen it yet. And I yeah yeah, ⁓ Baz has some bullshit excuse. Well it's ⁓ the Pachistani protocol people don't want it released and we're we're trying to honor the process. That's bullshit. I mean we all know that. If there it it's something when when it's when it's in the US and Trump I think is trying to get his narrative out there. But I don't know whether maybe some of that stuff may be in there. Some i it's just hard to say because nobody that's really seen it has said. Now supposedly ⁓ the guy, ⁓ the Prime Minister of Canada said he saw it and he was interviewed today and he he he did confirm a couple of those points Charles you just brought up, but he did not go into any detail. because he said it wasn't his place to do it. Trump said he's not gonna do it until the official formal signing on Friday because he wants to he wants to disclose the terms in a formal setting. What is that supposed to mean? I mean that's just again just more horseshit. But talking about Netanyahu and Israel, you know, and and I hope my and my ma's passed away so she's not listening to this, but I'm just quoting What Trump reportedly shouted at Netanyahu, What the fuck are you doing? You're fucking crazy. You'd be in prison if it wasn't for me. And that was when Israel started bombing Lebanon, right as they were trying to get this document electronically signed. And then he then he was asked by Axios if it was true that he had made those comments and Trump confirmed he made the re the remarks, stating he wasn't angry but he was a little bit perturbed. that Israel's contentious fighting with Lebanon was threatening his peace negotiations with Iran. So it's it's clear that that relationship has soured. And I think you're right, Charles. I think Israel's gonna go its own way. You know, I Israel wants to do to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. ⁓ yeah it it it ⁓ it it it wiped out Hamas by wiping out Gaza and even Trump said ⁓ I heard Trump at the G seven, somebody asked him about Israel. And and Trump says, Well, you know, if Israel wants to take out one guy, they'll blow up an entire apartment building. And well, yeah, the one bad guy's in there, but there's a lot of innocent civilians in there too. Sure, it does Israel. But he said, I mean that's a war crime. I'm sorry. You know, you can't go blow up an entire apartment building with hundreds of civilians in it just because you want to take out one bad guy. I don't think. I mean maybe that's not a war crime. It seems like it should be one if it's not. Tony: but. Charles: Jonathan. Jonathan: I don't think I don't think I don't think our country would would allow the the the destruction of an entire civilian apartment building just because one bad guy's out that's not that Putin will do. ⁓ so now Netanyahu's like Putin, that's not exactly gonna look over somebody's resume, I don't think. Charles: But this is the thing though. But the thing though Jonathan and Tony is that the International Criminal Court has already got a warrant for Netanyahu. The the problem is that the United States who wanna fund the old nations with you know in control through, you know, freezing the the financial hands of everybody. Revite Netanyahu here on a regular basis. What kind of message you think that's sending to the international community who think that the war crimes you you mentioned, they'll already got up in black and white for the international community. But because America is America and where we stand militarily and economically, we undermining that by violing Netanyahu to the to you know to our to our country on a regular basis. So no other nation is gonna have the ⁓ the the the the audacity to try to arrest him and much less trying to try him. If the United States is sanctioning his criminal conduct, that is the issue. And I I hope I hope Trump really cut him off and let him let Israel try to go solo. That's what they need to do. Because I think the American people are tired of the war. They're tired of the expense of Israel as any t it's clear now, regardless, anybody with a brand got to realize that Israel is consistently a torpedo and any type of peace agreement we get. We cannot be a nation to perpetually if forever war. You can't it's it's too expensive. You you just cannot do that forever. But Israel think we can Jonathan: You think about asymmetric war, you think about the asymmetric war that Iran has waged against us in this ⁓ in trouble for I don't really know why Iran would want to get a nuclear weapon at this point in time. They've already shown up and they can do all the d all the damage to the world that they need to do just by closing up the strait. Exactly. And and and you know, if you think and and for all the Trump saying, Well, they'll never get a nuclear weapon, well we've handed them something I think more powerful. Charles: That's what I've seen? Jonathan: in in a lot of ways. It may not be as it may not be as deadly, but it's just as painful. And and it could be deadly because, you know, World War Two, Japan our war with Japan was fought over oil. You know, we were the suppliers of Japan for oil. And that's why Japan when we cut Japan off, it's why Japan went into Southeast Asia. But they knew but Japan knew that they had to take out our US Navy to allow them to expand into Southeast Asia for oil to fund their machine. You know, you think about the wars we fought in in Iraq, well, with with Iraq twice, again, China is a big consumer of oil. And if if if Iran does everything for the next five years like they're supposed to, let's say they do everything there's they're they're the they're the poster child for the world for the next five years. And so they get their money They get rebuilt, everything is wonderful. They make no efforts to try to get into the nuclear business, but they ingratiate themselves with China, probably their biggest customer for oil. And then they don't really need nuk if they got China in their back pocket and China needs their oil, they don't need a nuke. Because they can they can turn China against us. They can turn turn China against anybody. Well because if they decide to close the straight for everybody but China, that's why I said if if China sent one of their tankers in against our blockade to challenge our blockade, then I think it would not I think it would really show how weak we are because there's no way Trump would have blown up a Chinese flag tanker trying to get into an Iranian port. You just Charles: He doesn't bully he doesn't bully nuclear major, Jonathan and Tony King. Tony: Well, any bully never bullies a strong person. only bully the weak. Right. But I mean, another thing too though is, ⁓ what if Iran has a nuke? If they have one nuke, what can they do with it? We've got thousands. Everybody else has thought, you know, so what, what is the issue? Well, I know the issue is they're afraid they're going to lob it on Israel, but Israel has got nukes too. That's not concerned about North Korea have been up their armpits and nukes. You know, so it's always underlying factors you don't know about that, that, that you hear the, the official party lime, but it's always the things under the surface that you don't hear about that's because an effect and all this. And it was never about Iran having nuclear capabilities. It just never was. Jonathan: It was about the it was about the Epstein files. Tony: Hey, I'm he's a Charles: And this is the problem, ⁓ Jonathan and Tony. The most intellectual hypocrisy, we as Americans, we are the only irresponsible human beings or or ⁓ a recognized government that have dropped a nuclear weapon. Not once, but twice. So the very violator of world peace and world sanity, always trying to tell everybody else. You can't have a nuclear weapon. Jonathan: Charles, this is a very this is a very personal because we already this is a very personal subject for me, Charles. My dad fought in the Pacific. He was actually he'd already been in combat in the Pacific and he was back in the States training for the v invasion of Japan. We were at war with Japan. I mean there there was we were not violating any peace when we dropped that bomb on Japan. We were at war with Japan. We were at all out war. Charles: Yeah, they're Jonathan: And we were and we were and we were about to invade we were about to invade Japan's homeland. And we had already seen how the Japanese civilians 'cause the Japanese civilians have been brainwashed about what the Americans were and what the American soldiers were. ⁓ you've seen the stories about Okinawa where the ⁓ where the women and children would jump off the side of a mountain rather than think they were gonna be captured by American soldiers because they'd been told that they'd be raped murdered if the Americans came in and they involuntarily committed suicide. Even even the and the issue of honor was so prevalent in the Japanese army that there was no surrender. My dad fought h saw combat as combat engineer on the island of Attu, which is the very end of the A Aleutian Islands. It's actually the only American only the the only North American territory that the ⁓ Japanese occupied during World War Two. And there were about twenty five hundred Japanese soldiers on there at one time. And again, you can only see us with air power back then. Of course it's Alaska, it's a tundra island. The weather conditions are atrocious. But they sent the army up there to push the Japanese off that island and to and the Japanese were building airstrips with the plan being they were going to bomb the northern pa the northwest Pacific area, those the the Washington, Oregon California to those states from that that location. When when the ⁓ the the last battle, my dad was involved in the last battle, ⁓ they call it the battle in Engineer Hill, because dad was a combat engineer and they attacked him and they attacked with about five they only had about five hundred guys left. I mean the Japanese only had about five hundred people left. They did one of their famous bonsai attacks, it was repulsed, the Japanese retreated and every one of them then committed suicide. The ones that weren't killed in the attack. There were about a hundred that were left, they all committed suicide. Out of twenty five hundred soldiers, only like five were taken prisoner ⁓ in that entire battle. So the the the Japanese mindset was com i if they they they did not fight like they were fanatical. Just like we fight Islamic is Islamic fanatics the Japanese were fanatical. But I know that my dad, being a combat engineer, would have been one of the first guys on that beach and the chances of him surviving an invasion of Japan probably very, very low. So therefore if he hadn't made it, I wouldn't have made it either. So I have a very unique perspective about the nuclear bomb being dropped on Japan at the end of the Tony: the callus invasion. The cab, the casualty estimates for the us alone. were 120,000 casualties in the first month. Yeah. Cause when you're five. Jonathan: And that and the Japanese civilians were already starving to death. Yeah. They had already dropped ⁓ incendiary bombs and burned their cities and and they still showed no no sense of re of retreat or surrender until Tony: So was the major reason for the nuclear attacks was trying to save that many lives. In the long run, we saved a lot of Japanese lives. Charles: I don't know about that because when you d you know, the the the the aftermath of nuclear devastation in terms of pregnancies and the radiation, medical issues, cancer, all kind of carcinogens that go off when you drop nuclear weapons. We don't know the full effect. I don't know if Japan even know full effect of that. What I'm saying to you is that this these issues are mute are mutually exclusively. What I'm saying, I'm not disagreeing with nothing what you you both were saying. I'm simply saying this, is that you can't sit on the high tower as Americans when we have dropped two nuclear weapons. The only nation that's ever done that, and then try to tell other nations you can't have it. It's just that that is the classic textbook example of hypocrisy. That's the point I'm making. That simply that. We're not in the position as Americans to really tell anybody w it'd be credible to say that you're too irresponsible and you too reckless to have a nuclear weapon. My second point is this is that if y'all remember, we called it the Obama Group, but it really was a multilateral agreement that was in place before this current president tore that agreement off in his first administration now. What that means is that There was no verification. The verification was cut off, Tony and Johnny. So I don't know. There was inspectors from all over all our allies who had inspectors go up in there to verify if Iran was genius or not, and there was consequence of that. So since this president tore up the fr the agreement in his first year, now you had the rest of that to his term. Then you had the four years of fighting. So you have probably anywhere from four to six years of uncertainty. Who knows if I already have nuclear buff? We really don't know. That's a problem. Cause there'd be no verification. And if they don't have the buffer probably got all the materials that would take a little a little time to kinda put it together. That's the problem. Jonathan: Yeah, but well. Well, I think that we had I think we had pretty good intent. I mean, I agree with you, Charles. I mean, ⁓ it was a terrible mistake on Trump's part to tearing the JCPOA up in his first term. You know, he said he was gonna negotiate a better deal for us, but he never even got around he never got around to it the first term. And of course I don't think Biden did anything at all about Iran while he was president, so they were pretty well unfettered in what they were doing. But we were watching and, you know, I think that the you know, I I sa I saw the story behind the the group The the fact that, you know, I'm from ⁓ I I spent so much of my career at Northwest Florida and spent so much of my time as a civic leader with the Air Force connected to Eglin Air Force Base and Robert Field and Eglin being the weapons development arm of the air force. All the everything that flies everything that flies out of the ground or out off a comes off an airplane is developed at Eglin. So they started working on they they saw where Iran was digging these these deep tunnels to try to try to protect their nuclear program as much as they could in that six years and and we started studying that that site and we developed the weapons to come off that that that massive order penetrator that we used back ⁓ last summer to take out that that ⁓ nuclear site. And ⁓ you know, I I couldn't be more proud of those guys because that that is what Eggnum was all about and what the Air Force was all about and I I think they had the pretty good intel that that's where it all was and they knew that they could get and they and but they they knew to get it to get there they had to keep dropping the same missile in the same spot and dig deeper and deeper and then they would put like three or four down the same hole to get to it. So it it truly was buried under a bunch of stuff. I don't and and that's why I I didn't think that it was worthwhile and it was it was justifiable to start this war because that all that material that they would need to restart their program was buried. Now, I disagree with the word obliterated because yes, it could be dug out. It could be reconstituted. You know, to me obliterate means it's never gonna see the light of day again. But it could still it could see the light of day. But Trump himself said we we watched it every day and if somebody did sort of try to dig it up, we just go blow it up again. So I think that was just another poor reason for Trump to start this this foolish war and and really expose ourselves to Tony: especially contradicting himself because the claim was last year they obliterated all of the nuclear materials. Jonathan: Exactly. Exactly. Well I think we'll well I think we'll have a lot more to talk about n about this next week 'cause we we should see exactly what's in there and we'll see what some analysis is and and yeah, I I saw ⁓ there were there were two things I wanted to talk about tonight. I finally have agreed with Hillary Clinton on something. I don't know if you heard her she she was on some program I saw the video of it, so it's actually her saying it. But she said Charles: Yeah. What is that? Jonathan: that Joe Biden did a disservice to himself, his legacy, and our country by deciding to run for president again. Which is what I have said all along. And the Democrats Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton said out of her own mouth. I heard it. And ⁓ yeah, I had s I've I've on this program before I've said had the Democrat had Biden not run and just been that one term president, let the Democrats have a primary, let somebody Charles: У се Jonathan: Let the cream rise from the top, let them ⁓ nominate someone who could appeal to the Office of the Democrat base, but also independents and Republicans who are firmed against Trump, then I think we would have a different president in the White House right now and we could avoid all this stuff. Charles: I think. Tony: ⁓ since I didn't go in on show last week, but I've definitely wanted to ask you, Tani, because you brought that up before about Democrats need to put out electable candidates. What do you think of the Florida Democratic ticket for governor? Jonathan: think that it's ⁓ Brian Donald's I think I got a great shot at it. Tony: Well, I mean, you've got a former Republican and the daughter of Bob Graham. mean, you can't ask for more. Jonathan: Yeah, that's right. I'm a little worried that that people might not really remember Bob Graham, you know, a lot. But I think a lot I think a lot of I think a lot of native war readings will remember Bob Graham. Tony: She's, she's her father's border. mean, they, they, they, they, they're lockstep in thinking she is, know. Jonathan: You know, this the Santas is is going out the door doing some really crazy things. I I I still follow Florida a little bit. I don't live there anymore obviously, but I still follow it. This this thing with the ⁓ homestead exemption and what it's about to do to local gov local county governments is just I mean you I I have not I mean I I follow a Scambia, Santa Rosa, Oakaloosa and to some extent Walton County. And all all the st all the local legislators of course they Tony: I love it. Jonathan: Some of them have been, you know, on the wrong side of DeSantis for more than a year now. But I they're really the county commissioners, they're they're really scrambling. Tony: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, friends of mine, Stan Nichols and Bob Johnson, who were elected officials in Santa Rosa County. And they're like, I don't know what they expect from us because you're taking away our revenues. You know, that's where it comes. And Bob makes the point. Y'all don't realize my budget isn't just about putting squad cars on the street. I have to pay for the entire county jail. You know, The upkeep, the food, the, the, of that, you know, and so if you cut out that part of, of the, of the property tax, where's the money supposed to come from? Because Santa's, well, you just vote for ad valorem. You, you, nobody has passed an ad valorem tax in this area in, so. Jonathan: Even even the the the where where it's where it's targeted where it's targeted to go into infrastructure, people still opposed to it. Tony: So Stan was talking about, you know, the, the, the tax collectors few years back took over the function of the DMV. If you need to get a driver's license and then tags, well, you go to the, you go to the tax collector. he's the quick, says we get about the budget we spend to do all that. The state gives us about one 10th of that. So he says, we decide not to do all of it. He says, I can't not do it, but what if I decide we're only going to do it? For an hour on Friday morning, know what? You know, it's, it's just, DeSantis is grandstanding for something and he has been for a long time. I don't know if he's planning another run in 28 or not. Still worry about the fact that, know, he's pretty much wanted, he's thought about just seceding Florida from the union. He's made that clear. I mean, forming your own militia, calling Florida the free state of Florida. mean, he's followed. Jonathan: They already do that. Well they already do that. That's on that that's on the dag off the welcome signs when you walk when I when I come in when I come into Florida when I drive in and trust you, it says welcome to the free state of Florida Tony: But you know, and why is he, why is he doing that when it doesn't affect the state? You know, it only affects the local government. Jonathan: Well they'll have to ma well they'll have no choice but to start hitting commercial property and non owner occupy well non homestead property, which means that people's rent's gonna go up, more pressure on commercial real estate, office buildings, shopping centers. ⁓ yeah, I guess technically, you know, shopping centers don't vote. Office buildings don't vote. But I tell you what, renters vote and and this just goes and hits This goes and hits people that I mean, I still own a little property in Florida and I can tell ya if my property taxes go up, the rent's gonna go up. ⁓ that's just that's just how that works. Tony: thing too, you know, it's obvious. If you run it for office and you're already in office, what makes you popular? ⁓ I cut your taxes and people are, and after 40 years in a political Marina, the rule number one is voters are stupid. Jonathan: Well you know the we the well the Republicans are really picking on Mondami, which I don't care for Mundani either. But he he did that he did that ⁓ that commercial in front of some rich investors ⁓ condo, apartment condo there in New York because he passed a he passed a a new tax on people that own that invest in real estate, you know, residential type real estate condos in New York, but they don't live there. But but they buy in it be and they and they buy and hold it because the value always goes up. Well, you know, his position is they don't live here, so let's make them pay more taxes because they don't vote. Well the Republicans make fun of that. They belittle that. DeSantis is doing the identical thing. He's just not doing the commercial in front of somebody's condo. To say, well here's you know, here's Tony Hugh's well house that he's written out to some people here these poor this poor couple in Crescu. So Tony: Yep. Exactly. Jonathan: No, we're gonna make we're gonna make Tony Hughes pay more money. No, you fix make that four Trump pay more money. So it's really interesting how it's really interesting how the Republicans they point their finger and look down their nose at at one Democrat and then turn out and do the exact same Tony: Yeah. That's how it works. Charles: Number things, Jonathan and Tony. First of all, you never ever allow your political enemy to tell you your own political identity. That's stupidity one on one. That's the first one. Secondly, as it relates to David Jolly and Gwen Graham. I I like Gwen Graham and my sister's a personal friends with her and worked with her last campaign. I will grudge you, Jonathan. She's very you know, sometimes apples don't fall too far from the tree. ⁓ she had tremendous character. ⁓ she's very likable person, tremendously competent and and and what you get. What you see with her, what you get. She's most really just down to earth, a fresh breath in politics. And so but I do believe that that's gonna be a very interesting if David Jolly does get the nomination. and and ⁓ and Gwen Graham become the Democrat nominee. If they lose, it is over for the Democrats in Florida if they lose. Because essentially y y you know, the thing that w will work for Mondami in New York is that w will work for Bern Sanders. They don't allow Republicans to tell them what they stand for. And that's you can't never listen to a Republican tell you. We've s you've seen that in Texas for since the eighties. Texas gonna go blue. When? No, ⁓ no, no. It's not happening soon. You know, it's gonna be, you know, interesting. Jonathan: ⁓ Yeah. Charles: Why I Tony, Tony, listen. Jonathan: I got ⁓ it. Charles: I have no faith in conflict like him. But what I'm saying to you, Joe is at the end of the day, Jonathan, when people like Tony goes in the but the Texas version of Tony, when they go in that booth, it's a different story than what they tell the poster, John, Jonathan. Don't go for the hand fake. You get slammed dunked up. This is what I'm talking about. But that's gonna be very interesting. I do believe that they're gonna be very interesting races. My other club is this. interesting race that's very interesting and we talked about this on my show was this the idea that the the that the the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party particularly David Wasserman Schultz who's doing everything that the damn accusing the Republicans of. It is hypocritical. It is outrageous that all the stuff that Supreme Court's been doing with the gerrymand and stuff and you have the one remaining predominant black minority, majority minority district. And the former rapper, ⁓ Luther Campbell, Uncle Luke's called a First Amendment pioneer that, you know, did things from the First Amendment, sued all the way ⁓ for first amendment rights. So Luther Campbell, ex rapper, is is is is running ⁓ among ⁓ multiple candidates in that district. Debbie Debbie Wassigman Schultz district that she's been in Congress for decades was literally erased by the GOP, gerrymanding tactics. So now she has the unmitigated arrogance to enter into a a crowded race to try to squeeze I guess the lock up the I guess the white portion of the boat and hopefully you know if the brook ⁓ the the the voting is splintered or split that she can somehow win the day so to speak. Yes she has a right to do it but there are rules And then there are informal rules of engagement. It's five Tony: Charles, consider you're talking about, if someone asked me what single individual could you point out and say is responsible for where we're at with Donald Trump? I would point at Deborah Wasserman Schultz because she would tear the DNC. She's that strong arm that entire Bernie draft Bernie move. And it created a bad taste. A lot of Democrats have that mouth and you know what? They either didn't vote in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, or they voted for Jill Stein. So, know, and she was the one who did that because Hillary was the ordained one and, you know, left a lot of bad taste, a lot of mouths. So her chicanery in a lot, a lot of ways is what made Donald Trump happen. Charles: I I will I I think that there's some truth to what you're saying. I I think it it's a lot of other issues that Tony: There was a lot of other factors, but that's what started the ball rolling. There's no way. Charles: started with with not recognizing the the DNC rule and really not being a fair referee in the rule changing to try to push Hillary through. Even when Obama was changing. He just was smarter and and was a lawyer, a a lawyer that was smart, know how to use the rule for his benefit, and they basically wanted to anoint and Jonathan: Yeah, sure. Well we've right. Charles: Give the nomination to Hillary and Obama just blow out the water because he expanded the electorate. Now that's why I believe Twenty early was coming from a position of I think a genuine goodness, but at the end of the day, Republicans should be telling Democrat what kind of Democrats to run and vice versa. I mean the DMs wouldn't have the ⁓ the arrogance to tell Republicans what type of Republicans they should run. Tony: Yeah, I know. Charles: So they they just wouldn't do it. So the screw screw ⁓ I they just threw stuff up like no like only the Jonathan: Well, I wanna well I know we're fixing one over, but I wanna I wanna just ⁓ one more thing about our esteemed FBI director, Cash Protect On. So so so on the same day that his million dollar slush fund is exposed, where he is allegedly paying off his director for advisory group, which is basically his hand picked group of goons who has basically been Ditch and on other FBI agents trying to find the ones that are not loyal to Trump so they can get rid of them. ⁓ and also the ones that were covering up his drinking and his ⁓ chicaneried with alcohol and when he locked himself in his bathroom and w all that kind of stuff. I mean, like eight thousand dollars a week on top of their salary. Mm-hmm. And and to the point where it's even going over the I guess their salary pay grade. for the level of federal employee they are and he's giving them more money on top of that. So that's that's come to to to light apparently through a whistleblower. And ⁓ one of the one of the US senators is all over that. And on the say that that comes up, then he comes in and takes the and steals the Secret Services Thunder over this plot to attack the big UFC fight in D C And ⁓ with the the Secret Service that does know we were the ones that uncovered this. We were the ones who were all over that. But Cash Patel goes and does a press conference. They haven't even identified all the suspects yet. Yeah. And he's now broadcasted to the world and everybody that they picked up five of the guys, but there's supposed like ten other conspirators out there they're still looking for. But now they've then tipped off the the Fed Raff. Yeah. So th it it's just it's just unbelievable how But that that got cash his name in the paper, you know, he's a big he's looking out after Trump. He's he has spoiled another assassination attempt on the president. Cash. Tony: ⁓ I know. So the last point for the night that I wanted to bring up, it actually bookends first point of the night, about service to our country and to me, stolen glory, the way it went down, but also the other idiot in chief and the Trump circle, Hegseth. The portrait of general Chappie James was removed from the Pentagon without any explanation and has not been replaced or put back. Why? I mean, this is the man that his record spoke for itself. We named the bridge after him here in Pensacola. Jonathan: Look, Teffy James was an amazing Air Force Germ general. Forget I mean a and deserved a place of honor in and of himself. Forget the fact that he was black. Right. But but even you consider what he accomplished in an air in an era when it wasn't popular to be a black person. And and you did not get not that not that black people had gotten an extra pass, because I do believe in the military that by and large Tony: Exactly. Jonathan: Now there's I'm sure there's always some exceptions, but by and large the military I think has gotten fairly colorblind and has been like that for years, at least in the air force. But Tony: but apparently going. Jonathan: That is that is that is that is we we had taken a step back fifty years with Hages. Tony: you know, I had, heard someone put it that way. Chappy got where he was because he had to work five times harder than the average black pilot to get the honors he did. So, you know, why take his portrait down in the Pentagon? Unless you're just a, sorry, Charles. Jonathan: I was I was friends with friends with C Q well I was friends with C Q Brown. Yeah, I I was I'm a I'm a friend with C Q Brown. C Q Brown was the head of Pacific Air Forces as a four star general. He was Chief of Staff of the Air Force as a four star general. And he was chair of the Joint Chiefs as a four star general. He was a shit hot fighter pilot. Tony: You are a fucking Jonathan: ⁓ he commanded an F sixteen ⁓ wing in Korea that was basically always cocked and ready, waiting for North Korea to come across. You know, they're there fifty miles sixty miles south of Seoul. So they were the they were gonna they were the first line of defense if North Korea ever came across the line ⁓ to attack Seoul. C Q Burnell ⁓ led the air war ⁓ against Iraq and Afghanistan when we were in hot combat there. you you could not find a better a finer man, a finer pilot, and a greater war warrior than CT Brown. And Heg Seth said he's gotta go on day one because he played the race card to get promoted. That's just bullshit. Tony: So. Charles: Well, the thing about it that it's it is not surprising. I think that his record speaks for itself, but the the issue I have with it is a continuation. He erased Colin Powell. He's took every black, yeah, distinguished military person you can name, they have eliminated race all of them. So I i i it it's not even sad anymore because it's what they did. You know what I mean? So it it's outrageous that you politics ⁓ the military were You know, where when you in a mi when you won't you in combat, you can't afford to operate with the racist foolishness because someone be dead and missing their, you know, the loved ones be missing and grieving you. And you have to work as a team if you want to get back home. You know what I'm saying? And every person that's serving kind of knows that. And you don't have to serve to have enough common sense to understand that. But this guy, you know, because he was a Fox News host, he's totally confident. He's fully unqualified, just like most of that administration is. And that's what you get when you get garbage hire. They don't they it's just encompany. It's just the bar that this is the most incompetent administration I have ever Jonathan: Well the military well the military has they built they have boards of other of other general officers that consider the records of colonels and and they give they give these colonels and this and that's a vote and they give these colonels scores and it's strictly based upon the performance. It's it's always been merit based. And you know, and they and they have three looks, you know, when they are at a certain level as a colonel, they get three looks at general officer and ⁓ if they have if they've checked all the boxes that you have to check. And they've got outstanding performance reviews by previous commanders and whatnot. And the and the MAGCO commanders have a vote to say this is someone that we must promote. And but the even then, even a MagCall commander doesn't have the file a say on on a on a general officer nomination. So just the idea that that we're promoting general officers to become black or Hispanic or Asian d descent is just bullshit. ⁓ you know, they and and I tell you and I I've I found another really good friend that I've known since his since he was a a major at Herbert. And ⁓ he he's he's he's punched all the tickets. Great guy, great pilot, warrior, courageous, decorated. And when ⁓ when Jim Schleif got fired, ⁓ as the vice chief of staff and Jim probably Jim was gonna have a chance to compete with chief of staff in the Air Force and I think would it have been ⁓ excellent chest and he was the guy as a special operations guy. And and he w and C. Brown got fired and he just put his papers in. He was just so it was just he was disillusioned. Yeah. Because of all the t the time away from family and what you've sacrificed to serve our nation, ⁓ regardless of your color. And and then to have and although the rug wasn't necessarily pulled out from the D T ⁓ but he got to this point where I don't want to serve anymore. You know, it it this is not this is not the military area I grew up serving in. And it's really it's really a shame. It really is. Yeah. I'd like to think I I impressed with ⁓ Cruiser Mospach who is the current chief of the staff. I think Cruiser's a really a fine a a great warrior and a wonderful man and and I I'd like to think that he has tempered some of that. But there's only so much that a that a person uniform can do with a civilian leadership says do X. They either have to do it or resign. Yeah. Tony: All right, well, I think, yeah, hour 15 minutes. That might be a record. Jonathan: ⁓ Yeah. Well done, Joel. Thank you. Tony: Yeah, it's up. Yeah, that's about five more things we could talk about that will live. Yeah. Jonathan: ⁓ we'll have a lot to talk about it. We'll save it up for next week. We'll have a lot to talk about next week I predict. Tony: Yeah. So we appreciate everyone tuning into another segment of Guardians of the Republic. ⁓ Thank you, Charles. And thank you, Tony, for being here as we continue to try to bring out the point that the Republic is under attack. And we've got to bring this out to light where people are going to be blindsided. but again, our viewers are, it's important that you... Take a lot of this to heart, also support us like the videos and be sure to tune in next week. So y'all have a great evening. Charles: Thank you, Tony. Thank you, Jonathan. Jonathan: All right. Charles: Good night.