Latest / The Steve Harvey Morning Show / Rushion interviews Jackson Dunbar, in his tell-all book, RACE MATTERS IN PAIN MEDICINE, Jackson Dunbar, Esq. gives a first-hand account on how he ‘Made Money, Lost 90 Lbs. and Thrived in Chronic Pain" and Rushion interviews Tracy Hudson who has researched skin, educating her audience, and building an award-winning line of products that are formulated for different types of skin so your face will get exactly what it needs to look and feel its best.

Transcript

Rushion interviews Jackson Dunbar, in his tell-all book, RACE MATTERS IN PAIN MEDICINE, Jackson Dunbar, Esq. gives a first-hand account on how he ‘Made Money, Lost 90 Lbs. and Thrived in Chronic Pain" and Rushion interviews Tracy Hudson who has researched skin, educating her audience, and building an award-winning line of products that are formulated for different types of skin so your face will get exactly what it needs to look and feel its best. · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: is the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: brand and expert ra Sean McDonald. I will know he's
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: giving me advice on many occasions. And in case you didn't notice,
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not broke. You know he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: and entrepreneurs and industry decision make because it's what he
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: likes to do, it's what he likes to share. Now
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: it's time to hear from my man, Rashaan McDonald money
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Making Conversations.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: There we go. I'm back with Sean McDonald. I'm back.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: I'm back to you. I could say I'm changing the world,
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: but I'm just one person. And they said, well, one
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: vote can make a big difference in an election. I've
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: discovered that I'm a person who does vote. But we're
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: talking about money making conversations. We're talking about how you
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: how can motivate you with information because that's what this
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: show is all about. Information, information that allows you to
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: consume it. You can call in on this show. I
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: have a number that you can call in. Please use it.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: You can call while I'm talking to my guests. That's
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: part of this show is a live show. I mean
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: it's about the community, and the popularity has been based
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: on the fact that they stop the music allow me
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: to bring these guests on the show. There are these
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: are successful peoples, people who are telling their stories and
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: not letting anything stop them from achieving their dreams. Because
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: I recognize that we all have different definitions of success.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: For you, it may be the size of your paycheck.
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Mine is inspiring you to accomplish your goals and live
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: your very best life. It's time to stop reading other
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: people's success stories and really start living your own.
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: People always talk about their purpose. Are gift not gifts? Gift.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: If you have a gift, leave with your gift and
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: don't let your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: planning or living your dreams. My guests today are Jackson
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Dumbar and Tracy Hudson, and we'll be discussing how to
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: overcome the odds in life. Let's get God, Let's get rolling.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: social entrepreneur Jackson Dunbar, the founder of the Well Mad
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbar Squire
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: gives a first hand account on how he made money,
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please work
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Jackson.
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: Dunbar, Hello, how are you?
• 2:33
  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me?
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: it's a good read. First of all, but it was
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: an honest it was an honest book.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: Wow, let's let's talk about first of all, how are
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: you doing now physically?
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: Physically? What today was an okay pain day? As a
• 2:54
  Speaker 4: chronic pain patient where on medicine that really impairs our
• 2:59
  Speaker 4: cognitive functions? So I think today what it was okay?
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: So you're saying even today you have to deal with.
• 3:07
  Speaker 4: Pain, Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and
• 3:13
  Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah, So for the last eight years, I've
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: been doing the dance for chronic pain, and yes, I
• 3:23
  Speaker 4: had to learn how to manage it. I which was
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I wrote my book. I
• 3:30
  Speaker 4: was fortunate I had resources and so could put together
• 3:35
  Speaker 4: a team that could that could teach me how to
• 3:38
  Speaker 4: manage the pain. And a friend suggested that I write
• 3:42
  Speaker 4: a book because most people aren't as fortunate to have
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: those sort of resources.
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, let's let's talk about this.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's go back, because I don't want
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: I don't leave anybody in the dark about how this happened.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: You know, you were just a short scenario. Your son
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: was in the backseat, you were driving. Your father, who
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: who had passed away, gave you his two thousand and
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: four BMW. He said, if you want to look successful,
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: you need to drive successful. It was one of the
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: things and he was making a turn. Now the story
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: is yours. Tell us what happened.
• 4:12
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.
• 4:17
  Speaker 4: We're a group of child and ialysts and psychiatrists here
• 4:20
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta, and I just closed the biggest deal of
• 4:23
  Speaker 4: our company's history. Forty margins. In fact, I was telling
• 4:29
  Speaker 4: my wife, Hey, big daddy's coming home. Make sure, make
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: sure you're ready. All I had to do is take
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: my son to a soccer game and we'll go from there.
• 4:39
  Speaker 4: And I took him to a soccer game and someone
• 4:41
  Speaker 4: ran a yield sign and yeah, it was like a
• 4:44
  Speaker 4: tale of two different worlds. Let's see, they were running
• 4:52
  Speaker 4: to me. My sho would be okay, Thank god. He
• 4:54
  Speaker 4: would end up playing soccer a couple of days later.
• 4:58
  Speaker 4: Me not so much. I would have of back procedures,
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: a batch back surgery, and in the end I was
• 5:06
  Speaker 4: diagnosed with having permitive nerve damage, which would cause chronic
• 5:10
  Speaker 4: pain for the rest of my life.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: because this young lady who was five foot seven in
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: They only paid attention to her. What was your thoughts
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: on that, because you explained about it, and you explained
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: it in your book.
• 5:30
  Speaker 4: Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about
• 5:33
  Speaker 4: the smoke and the pain that I was in and
• 5:36
  Speaker 4: just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my
• 5:39
  Speaker 4: son that that saw that he's very insightful. And after
• 5:44
  Speaker 4: the fourth or fifth card went by and they kept
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: asking her if she was okay and said nothing to us.
• 5:51
  Speaker 4: My son said, so, why is that why she caused
• 5:55
  Speaker 4: the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay?
• 5:59
  Speaker 4: And that was on the side of the road. I
• 6:01
  Speaker 4: had to have the top every black man has to
• 6:04
  Speaker 4: have with his son about racism. You know, we tried
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: to shield our kids from that, but I had to
• 6:11
  Speaker 4: have a frank discussion about how society for the most
• 6:15
  Speaker 4: part protects white women and not so much us. And
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: it was a real how.
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: Did he take that conversation?
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: I know he was young, but how did he what
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: did he consume or what did he take away from that?
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Because I know he was trying to be polite in
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: your conversation and because you was already trying to shield him,
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: but he asked a question that you didn't expect to
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: be in the situation to respond, but you had to respond.
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I
• 6:45
  Speaker 4: and the way he responded was he said, okay, I mean,
• 6:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, my son's one of these kids. He's really thoughtful,
• 6:53
  Speaker 4: and he listened on and I think that was his
• 6:57
  Speaker 4: awakening of the racism that we have society.
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 7:03
  Speaker 4: In fact, there were times when he yelled. I mean,
• 7:07
  Speaker 4: he and I were very physical. We used to bike
• 7:10
  Speaker 4: to Stell Mountain and back. I would have him on
• 7:13
  Speaker 4: the back. I would have him on the back of
• 7:15
  Speaker 4: my bike. We were running together, and all that was gone.
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: He was really angry at the woman because of the
• 7:24
  Speaker 4: accident and for taking his father away. It was a
• 7:28
  Speaker 4: real trying time those first few years after the accident.
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: Well know, I had.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: A long collapsed when I was in Los Angeles and
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: I stayed in the hospital for thirty days. You know,
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: just I can relate in some ways to your chronic pain.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: I remember when I was in the hospital, they gave
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: me a morphine drip because the pain. You know, if
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: anybody's been in a hospital situation, you press the button
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: if you have pain. Of course, after a while, it
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: will stop giving you the drug, otherwise you become addicted
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: to it. But you still pressing, You still pressing because
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: the pain didn't go away. And so that experience of frustration,
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: because I know at least three times I was checking
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: out of the hospital and I had to go back
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: in because my long recollapse. Here you are in your
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: life twenty fifteen, roughly eight years later, you're still dealing
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: with a pain that, due to my physical blessings, I
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: am not dealing with. But I know that pain, that pain.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: When you have a machine over there, there's a drip, morphingdrim.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: When they give you that machine, they know you are
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: in pain. And so you're telling me that you hurt
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: your back, correct, yes, sir, And so we all know
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: when you hurt your back, you realize how powerful or
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: how important your back is getting out of bed, walking
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: just lifting things.
• 8:50
  Speaker 4: How did that your little physical life.
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: Had turned upside down? Correct?
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: took the pain medicine away, that I couldn't even make
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: it up the stairs in my home. I would collapse
• 9:08
  Speaker 4: because the left side of my body is weaker than
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: the right, and I just collapsed just in the way
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: to my body. I would be on the floor. My
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: kids would come looking at me, and I would have
• 9:20
  Speaker 4: to lie to them and say I wasn't in pain,
• 9:23
  Speaker 4: and they were looking at me like I was nuts.
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: And it's like, why is it that no one and
• 9:32
  Speaker 4: no one would give me more minutes. And it was
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: weird because at the time I thought I was going
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: I thought I was going nuts. And you're right. You
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: can't play with your kids, you can't use the restroom,
• 9:45
  Speaker 4: you can't. Yeah, all the simple things I cut in
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: the grass. You know, I used to do all the
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: driving when we went on trips. You know, I could
• 9:56
  Speaker 4: barely get in the car now. So this was a
• 9:59
  Speaker 4: real pair of This was a whole paradigm shift from
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: my entire family.
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: about I'm working on a big.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: Project is tied to sickle sale.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that people who have sickle
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: cell when they go to the hospital in a crisis,
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: you know a lot of doctors or hospitals don't want
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: to give them medicine or drugs to reduce the pain
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: because they look them as drug seekers. That's a term
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: that you use in your book, that people perceive you
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: when you complain about your back, that they question your
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: pain and saw you as a black man, a drug seeker.
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: And it's weird because it wouldn't met and it's weird
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: because if I look at my background, I'm a job
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: creator here in Atlanta. I also have a lot of
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: gree in in NBA from a top tier school. And
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: not only that, I had I had images from an
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: MRI and an EG which stayed that, hey, this guy
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: has permanent nerve damage in this point. Yet they still
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: wouldn't give me the medication. They still thought I was
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: pain seeking and I thought it was crazy. And then
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: one day, you know, I decided to get my head
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: around it and see if this was happening to other people.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: cell patients. Yes, And that's said now Jackson, because in
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: your book, you know, you talk about the whole it's
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: a crisis you under you know, like I said, mine
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: was thirty days, and of course when I got out
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: of the hospital, I had to have rehab and recovery,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: and eventually I recovered from that. But I always remember
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: that that crisis, you know, the inability to control your
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: destiny because you're a very confident man, very successful man,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you put in a physical crisis.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: You can't even play with your kids. You can't even
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: get out of bed. Your wife probably has to assist
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: you are doing normal things. Some drops on the floor,
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: you can't reach down and pick it up. It starts
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: to question your term being a man in a relationship.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: What is your role? How did you deal with that?
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: To be honest, that was tough. My father, my father,
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: like many men of this generation after Vietnam, got married,
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: had kids.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: He always stressed to me and my brother that we
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: should go out, have our fun, get educated, and we
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be and we shouldn't get married to Abel until
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: we are able to buy our own home. Okay, And
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: that's what I did. I bought a four condo, fix
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: a rupper and then I'm like, okay, I'm ready to
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: get married. And so when I got married, it's hey,
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: I'm the man. I'm supposed to produce. That's how I
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: judge myself. And so, thanks free to God, I was
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: able to do all of that. And then all of
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: a sudden that have all that taken away. It was
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: wadded out. One of the stadtest points of my life.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to. Jackson Dunbar.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: His life changed ladies and gentlemen. He's changed an accident,
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: the car accident. Fortunately fortunately for him, his son was
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: safe and was unharmed, but his life changed and another
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: person caused that change. When we come back, we're going
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: to talk about the insurance companies now, because that's another
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: game he had to deal with, that black white game
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: that we always have to deal with. Who's gonna pay
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: and how much they gonna pay, and how he had
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: to approach dealing with those issues. All this is in
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: his book Made Money, Lost ninety Pounds and Thrived in
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pay Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back for more money Making Conversation.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: money making Conversations. Masterclass.
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: You are now tuned into the money Making Conversations. Minute
• 14:00
  Speaker 6: of Inspiration with Rashaan McDonald.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: HIO Rashan McDonald from Money Making Conversation with your daily
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: Minute of Inspiration. This week, I said that with comedian, actress,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: writer and producer of the new HBO Max comedy special
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Fighting Words, Ida Rodriguez. She shares how through her comedy
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: she talks about uncomfortable things in order to heal.
• 14:19
  Speaker 7: I grew up in the inner city of Miami. Part
• 14:22
  Speaker 7: of what we used to do when we were kids,
• 14:24
  Speaker 7: we used to crack on each other. People call it joning.
• 14:27
  Speaker 7: And when I realized that what we were doing was
• 14:29
  Speaker 7: processing our pain through laughter, that I decided when I
• 14:33
  Speaker 7: started writing comedy, I would just channel that and say,
• 14:36
  Speaker 7: how do I approach talking about sexual abuse? It happened
• 14:40
  Speaker 7: so much in our communities. So I sat down and
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: I just made a decision that I was going to
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: talk about the things that were uncomfortable because it helped
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: me also heal.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: If you want to listen to this full interview with
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Ida Rariguez, it's available on Moneymaking Conversations dot com.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations masterclass hosted by
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: Rashan McDonald.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: was turned upside down in twenty fifteen when a car
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: accident changed him physically.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: Changed the way he approached life. Changed.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: His relationship with his child, changed, the relationship with his wife,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: change the relationship with his friend. More important, it changed
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: how he looked at life. Because of his race, he
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: was being treated differently. He's being treated. He was treated
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: differently at the accident, He's being treated differently when he
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: tried to seek medical care, he treated differently, when the
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: drugs that he was requested when being denied to him
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: with all the At what point in this whole game,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Because it's a game, it's a game of race, Jackson
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Dunbar that you felt you needed to fight back.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: I think the first time the insurance company tried to
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: low bid me. And working in mental health, I know
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the insurance game is about time value of money. The
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: longer they can hold we pay our insurance payments a
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: month with the expectation of something happened. The insurance company
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: will pay.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Up that false expectations, you know, because they have the
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: little rules. They'll pay this, but they may not pay that,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you know, But you don't tell you all the minor details.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: after I got a little bit from the fire insurance company,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: after the health insurance companies started denying claims, I realized, hey,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: you know what I got. I got this legal mind.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Even though my body isn't where it should be, I
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: should be able to use that. So what I did
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: was what the insurance company. I found my lawyer, or
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I found a lawyer who I thought could helped me
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: win a case against someone who lived in who lived
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: in Cobb County. Now, the thing about the person that
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: it me, she took ownership. She's what we would call
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: a good defendant. People wouldn't necessarily throw the book at her.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: In fact, they probably feel sorry for her because of
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: because of what happened. And so I needed someone that
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: could win given that sort of environment. So I went
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: and did that. Then also I know how the insurance
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: company played I health insurance companies typically deny one or
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: two times. They are these fans called coordination of benefits
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: and with and it's what people and it's what the
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: insurance company sends you. And it basically shows what the
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: insurance company pays and then what you pay. So most
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: people don't look at that until we get to build.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: When I got it and saw that the insurance company
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: denied the claim, I called them, Hey, what's going on
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: with this? You approved it? They sent it back a
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: month later, and then they approved it, but they approved
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: it out of network. People wouldn't insurance know if you've
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: seen the provider out of network, you pay more money.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: And it took three different times and then finally with
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: the end of.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: The day, you in pain, right, you in pain.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: All this pain, and I'm like yelling at People's the
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: funny story, you know. My kids were telling me I
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: was yelling and cussing a lot because of the pain,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: and I said, okay, okay. So they wanted to do
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a swear dar. I'm like fine, So one day I'm
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: yelling at the assurance cut me. My daughter's there and
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: what are you doing. I'm making money. She's writing down
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: all the time. I'm like yelling and swearing at the
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: insurance companies because I knew the tactics. By the third time,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: they paid for it. Let's see, they paid for it. It
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: was in that worked, everything was good, and that took
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: about four months. Normally that process can go on at
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: least a year, because it may take you four or
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: five months to really look at your EOB and then
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on. Typically most people
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: get the bill and by then, yeah, you're gonna you're
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: gonna be fighting the insurance company for months. The car
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: insurance company.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: There was two car insurance you were dealing you're dealing
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: with her car insurance, and you had to deal with
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: your car insurance right because her car insurance would only
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: pay so much. Then you have to wind up fighting
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: with the fair car insurance that you pay, making these
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: monthly payments to have insurance.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, I did. And and my my my attorney at
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the time was funny. He said, you know what, Okay,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: her car insurance is going to pay. Your car insurance
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: company is now known for snake like behavior. So what
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: you're going to have to do is trust me. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: but the thing about it, Jackson, is that you are
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: a great playman. What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: you got a law degree, you're well spoken, you're a
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: married man, you're a family man, you're a business owner.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I love I love people like you. All you got
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: to do is go in there and impress them. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I tell people, when when you go to these depositions,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: you know, uh, make sure your clean cut, make sure
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you got to you're you're wearing nice clothes, and and
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: make sure you take the time to frame the narrative
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: so that the lawyer on the opposing side realizes that, hey,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: you know what, we got to like this person to
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: check or we're going to lose. And that was something
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: they taught me in law school years ago. Something I've
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: learned closing deals, uh, closing deals as a businessman here
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dunbar, is that we you know, success supposed to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: make your life easier, and we know what you're talking
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: when they're when they're insinuating about people who aren't married,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: or people who have lesser education, how they get treated.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That's all he's saying, is that, And that's where race
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: comes into play. How people can stereotype you. And I've
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: been stereotyped all my life because I'm black. I've been
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: in stereotyped because of the color of my skin. Buying
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: houses or or getting my houses appraised, I've been stereotyped.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you've read the stories people that brought in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: changed their photos in the house the white people or
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and had act like they didn't live there, and they
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: appraisers were higher when in those situations. You know, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: as a person who battles and stealing chronic pain because
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you got up to almost three hundred and fifty pounds
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: in weight, when I read in the book and you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: lost ninety pounds of the process because a young man
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say he was in the seventies, told you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you're going to die if you don't lose this weight.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And it all happened because of an accident.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and that doctor really changed my life. He
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: was an Emory doctor, seventy years old, former paratroot for believing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: He and I used to buy so we had a
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: lot in common. He had what I call an offense.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: We had an offense what we had an affinity with
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: each other. And I tell people, if you don't have
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: that affinity with your doctor, you're not going to get
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: the type of treatment that you need. And he asked
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: me if you could swim, and I'm like, yes, but
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to swim without my lower body. Just
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: use your arms, Okay. Cool. So I'm a member of
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the way Walker ymcah and started swimming in that pool.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And you know what, at three point fifty, big big
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: gut going out there, I had. I had sixty year
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: old women swimming around me, splashing water in my face,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: looking at me, kind of whatever.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: So you three hundred and fifty pound I toller you,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I toller you. I'm six one, six one through it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: So you you carrying a lot of space out there,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: six pound, so you walk into the out there so
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: so so it's like, you know, you a big guy
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: coming in. And I remember when you you realized that
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: drugs have value. But I say drugs have value when
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you went cruising and you left your drugs into in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: your cabin and they were stolen.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, so you got educated.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: On that end too.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You got educated by these women swimming around you. At
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty pounds, a seventy year old God
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: tells you if you don't lose weight, you're gonna die.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: You go cruising and they steer your your medicine.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: was bad because my medge got stolen day one on
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: going to do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: He gave you, I have a profen and replace of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the medicines that you actually needed.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing. My wife
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: is a medical doctor, right, and tried to talk to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: the person doctor, the doctor and still instill basically threw
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: us out of his office. I couldn't believe it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And this is on the cruise ship.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: a bad time on a cruise and I found out
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: how to do it. Well, you know, you taught me
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: a good lesson. No matter where I go, I lock
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: up my meds, they always stay with me.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: other people. What you might consider regular might have street value.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And that's what you discovered that your drugs had street vague.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And so that's the guy that the porter in your
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: room said he actually need threw it away, but he
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: probably stole it because he can actually go out there
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and make money with it. But you know, as we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: close this, you know, this book was rather fascinating to me,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and you know, I know you do.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: In the well made foundation and the well made Atlanta
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: private your own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: because we've just been talking about physical we's been talking
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: about the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that impact you mentally?
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I think now that was Now it did, And a
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: lot of that is because I think we as black
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: they're fifteen million chronic pain patients out there. And what
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I say is that if you don't have if you
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: don't have a good mental health team, a good psychologist
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: and a psychiatrist that specialize in pain management working on
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you in your life, you won't be able to reclaim
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: your life. And that's hard for us. And I own
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm. I am
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: psychiatrists all around me. All of them were saying, hey, listen,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you need to see someone and I will and believe
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: it right. And it wasn't until what what I took
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and the person there was really rude. I started yelling
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: at them, and then my daughter ran away. She was
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: afraid of me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: And that was that was maybe what four years into
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: this odyssey. And at that point I got a good
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: mental healtee, and what the psychiatrist was able to do
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: was fascinating. She basically what happens is that you may
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: have a pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: you may have a urologist and a few other folks,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and all of them are giving you different medications. So
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: by the end you could be taking packing to twenty
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: pills a day, two three times a day. So what
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: the psychiatrist was able to do was actually going through
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: all the medications and say, Okay, that was making you crazy,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that was making you gain weight, Here's what I'm going
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: to do. And from there, Bam, I was able to
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: be myself about about three or four hours out of
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: the day I was, and then I was able to
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: put together strategies, Strategies on how to navigate medical racism,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: strategies on how to make money even though I couldn't work,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: strategies on how to lose weight even though I was
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: on meds that made you gang weight, and then finally,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: strategies on how to thrive even though I was on
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: medications that made you suicidal, and and I was working.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I was I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnocks
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: campaign and I was there with this minister. We were
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: talking about this. She said out this anger. She's like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: you know what, you got a lot of anger there.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Maybe you should write a book about this whole thing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: other people. And so that's and that's why I wrote it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: You know, what do you do? What do you do
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: to navigate medical racism? How do you make money when
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you're crying to pain? You can't? How do you let's see,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: how do you thrive when you're on medication that makes
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you crazy? And how do you lose weight when you
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: run pay medication that makes you gain weight? So that
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: was why I wrote the book.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Well, well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: we get in touch with you Jackson?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's when it get in touch with me is
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: to go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: dot com. Uh, you can even hit me up on
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I g at jack fights Racism.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: website that they can fill out a form and you respond.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: they do, if they have any questions about some of
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: them money and make because I'm really big on investing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I'm really big on investing because, in my view, is
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: the only way that someone in cron of pain can
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and make money. And it's not as hard as people think.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that I want to talk to in this other half
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: tell this story. If you have time, love to bring
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you back to talk about the investment side of being
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: another area. That's another side of your life that I
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: thought was really important. But I had never any interview
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with the pain today, dealt with so much denial, mister Dunbar.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dunbar x squire And where's that website? One more
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: time as we close out the interview.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Things it's that Jacksondumbar dot com. That's
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Jackson Dumbar dot com or ig at jackvice racism.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: We'll talk to my friend. Stay healthy, Stay healthy.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate you calling in on money Making Conversation,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Master Clive.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: money making conversations Masterclass.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: HBCUs represent Black excellence. If you attend or are an
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: alumnus of an HBCU, we want to hear about your story.
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: The MYHBCU Story Digital Library will allow current HBCU students
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: and alumni to share their stories. Registration is open to everyone.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: More information is available at HBCU college day dot com.
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: Click my HBCU Story. Next, you can upload a photo.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: The photo can be recent or from when you attended
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: your HBCU. Then share your academic or social experience at
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: your HBCU and how attending an HBCU changed your life.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: We also want to hear stories if you pleasure a
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: fraternity or sorority. The goal is to use your my
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: HBCU story to promote and uplift the HBCU brand. Your
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: HBCU prepared you for success and now we want everyone
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: to read about your black excellence. More information is available
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: at HBCU College day dot com. You can click my
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: HBCU story to share your story.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Rashaan McDonald.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: She's on the line, she's waiting, Tracy Hudson. If you
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: want to know about beauty, you know, like my especial skincare.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: That's what I brought her on the show, skincare. I'm
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a man. I worry about my skin too. Maybe she
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: can give me some advice. She deals with a lot
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: of celebrities. I'm just a regular dude, and all my
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: listeners just regular people. So Tracy, help out the regular people.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I know you doing it with the celebrities, but help
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: out the regular people. We're right back with more interview
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: times spent with Tracy Hudson.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: money Making Conversations.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Masterclass now tunes into the Money Making Conversations Minute of
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald's.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald's a Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: your daily minute of inspiration. During a conversation with speaker
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Arthur and motivator Lisa Nichols. She talked about why she
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: pursues abundance versus wealth.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: I realize that there's a complete distinction between wealth. Wealth
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: is a unilateral conversation around money and possessions.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: That's wealth, and while that's.
• 32:26
  Speaker 10: An indicator of some level.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: Of success, wealth is not the ultimate indicator of success.
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Abundance is abundance, is not just the unilateral category called wealth,
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: money and possession. Abundance is abundance in your relationships, abundant
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: in having health wealth abundant, and having spiritual wealth abundant,
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: and having financial wealth. It's one category of a very
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: large picture.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: You could listen to.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: This full interview with Lisa Nichols is available on Moneymaking
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Conversations dot com.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Rashaan MacDonald.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: My guest Season on the Line, Tracy Hudson, the average
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: American woman beauty routine exposed us to more than one
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty different toxins and chemicals every single day
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: for Tracy Hudson's skincare. That's Tracy Hudson's skincare. Nothing about
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: that is acceptable. As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: working alongside a physician and dermatologists. Since two thousand and six,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience and building the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: award winning line of products. Her hands on experience as
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: an esthetician and trusted skincare expert has created a real
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: world solution products that are formulated for different types of skin.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That's important. I have all these skin, ladies, and I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: don't have dry skin. Tracy has a long list of
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: notable clients, including Monica the singer, DL Hughley, the comedian,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Ardor Day, the singer Anthony anders Is, the comic actor
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: according to b Vance, the great actor, Michelle Williams, ooh singer.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It's a loan both of these people from Houston, Texas.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Tyler to the creator and Besha way up. Please welcome
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the Money Money Making Conversation Masterclass to one and only
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Tracy Hudson.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: How you doing, Tracy?
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: Hello, good evening. I think where you are? Thanks for
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: having me?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I come from Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta. My shore
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: originates from Atlanta. And you know syndication nationally and you're
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming in Los Angeles, California.
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: I am in La. Yeah, so we've got about a
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: three hour time different, so it's evening for you and
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: and maybe late afternoon.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you thought all these celebrity names, and I
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: know I know Monica, I know d L. I know
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson, and I know Michelle was very well and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: all of them have great skin?
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Is it because of you, Tracy? Is it because of you?
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: You know? You know what? Well? First of all, of course,
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna take one hupful responsibility for that. And most
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: of the people that you mentioned have been with me
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: for years. Right, Monica has already really great skin. I
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: enhanced it, but yeah, most d L. In fact, ironically
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: Dale just is gonna to be here in about twenty
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: minutes for his treatment.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: So please tell them that's my frat brother. Now, please
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: tell us my frat brother.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: You know, actually got two of my frat brother doh
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is a frat brother or make USI five fraternity and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson is also another one of my frat brothers.
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: So just let you know that that is so ironic.
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: So Anthony was in her yesterday and we had just
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: he keeps me and they both keep me in stitches.
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: I'm trying to focus and do their skin and they're
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: just you know, they're just keeping me in stitches. But yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: Anthony was in her yesterday and Gale is and they're
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: very open about sharing. I have to say that there.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: I have a really great client base and they're really
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: just lovely. You know, I'm not doing anything highly confidential,
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: so they're really lovely about sharing and you know, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: you know, and it's a beautiful thing. So yeah, DL
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: will be in here in about thirty minutes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Now here's the thing I missed you. I'm tell you
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I missed you because I left LA in two thousand
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and five and all the time I was rolling through
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Englewood in different places trying to get you know, trying
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to get my skin right. And you know when I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: say that, I mean you know, the uh, the black
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: little the little bumps you try to get off your face,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: try to keep your kin, skin smooth. And so I've
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: been this way ever since I was a toddler. When
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I say todd, I say about eight years old. I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: was always worried about my skin. I was always worried
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: about how can I take care of because I didn't
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: want acne, I didn't want bumps in my face for
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: somebod In my mind, it dawned on me that there
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: was a process, and early on, when I didn't have
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: any money, the original process was wash your face and
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: warm water and then rented in cold water. The warm
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: water opens your pores and the cold water will close
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the poors.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Was Is that correct?
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: No?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've been doing it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: You have, you have it essentially, it's the concept that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: a little bit off. You want you want to cleanse
• 37:01
  Speaker 10: your skin, and you want to there's a couple of things.
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: Your skin, a skincare, a good solid skincare routine, right,
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: So you want to cleanse your skin twice a day.
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: Warm water is correct. Warm that's fine. But if you
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: choose to rinse it at the very end, once your
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: skin is clean, you want to do a cold rent
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: that's not necessary. But that's perfectly fine. I mean, you
• 37:20
  Speaker 10: were a kid, so it's you know, sort of I'm sorry.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just let you know, doing it as adult today,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm still that's my fairy.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Then.
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: That's that's why I want to I just want to
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: clarify because I have clients who make the mistake of
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: washing their face with cold water, and that's not you. Yeah,
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: you want to make sure it's clean. But if you
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: want to do that last rint like sometimes hair dressers
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: do with it the hair, that's perfectly fine. But but
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: I also you said course open and close, right, it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: course not. It's not a muscle. So they and a lot
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: of people think they open and close. They do not.
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: So hot water does not open it and cold water
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: does not close them.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I'm quiet because all my life, Tracy, I've been doing
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: this fifty years.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I've been watching my face like this over fifty years.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: Well, you know, your your skin. You're in a good place.
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: It's not bad. But understanding the concept you're not. You're
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: really not far off. The market's just understanding that hot
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: water or warm water is not opening. It's not the
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: opening and closing up the poors.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Let me just stop.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: This is a good conversation. First of all, because somewhere
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I've read this, now have I not read this? Isn't
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: it written somewhere that you that warm water opens your
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: pores and close cold water closes?
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: It's not any you you know, it's similar to me
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: if you find it, if you find someone who's still
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: writing that, so what happened?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: But it was written like that at one time, right, not.
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: It could have been. It could have been because I
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: know that a lot of people. I think the skin
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: care has evolved, and skin the education around it has
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: evolved so much. People care more about their skin. They
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: want glowing skin, they want healthy skin. They don't want
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: to have the women don't want to have to makeup.
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: Women and men don't want to have to wear makeup
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: and all that. So there's been an evolution, and so
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: there's been a lot of correction and a lot of
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: debunking of myths. So that is, pores are not muscles.
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: They don't open and close. There's no you can refine them.
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: You can make the smaller facials make them look smaller.
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: Chemical pills refine them and make them smaller, using retinall
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: makes them look smaller. These kinds of things, you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: but they don't. It doesn't open. And if you think
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: about it, you know the pores in your skin that
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: for your sabacious glands, they don't open and close.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: They just I'm just going to tell you you have
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: knocked me off the horse. Now that's a good thing,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: because sometimes you got to get information. You're telling me
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the truth. I bring people on the show for information
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and education. I brought you in the show because I'm thinking,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I'm mister smarty pants. I've been doing it right all
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: my life, so so you know, I got I got
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you know, soap, you know, the little soap with little
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you know, put it on my face. So what should
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: one do? What should Rushan McDonald do now that he
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: knows that warm water doesn't open pores and close cold
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: water after you wash your face and cold water doesn't
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: close your pors. What should I be doing before I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: wake up in the morning, and what should I be
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: doing when I go to sleep at night?
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: Fantastic. You want to start off cleansing your skin, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: you want a quality cleanser. I'm going to kind of
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: go off off topic here a little bit and talk
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: about how important it is to use well formulated products,
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: because I heard you say a little soap in it,
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: and that's what makes the difference in terms of making
• 40:28
  Speaker 10: your pores look more refined. There's a difference between over
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: the counter skincare, the things you buy at the grocery
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: store that that your local drug store, and things that
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: are well formulated, things that are a medical grade and
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: medical grade does not necessarily mean it's going to cost
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: you more. Okay, So in terms of that that cost perception,
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: a lot of people have tons of products under their stink,
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: whereas if you have a well formulated cleanser that's been showed,
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: that's been tailored for you. So you saw, it's a
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: matter of DA regulation in making sure that the active
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: ingredients that are supposed to be and the products are
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: in it. Over the counter, FAA does not, WRE does
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: not regulate products. They don't regular, there's no clinical studies,
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: they're not regulated, and they're pretty they're not tailored. You
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: go into the store, you buy, nobody's there to help you,
• 41:16
  Speaker 10: and you buy whatever you buy, and a hundred people
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: can buy the same thing. Right. So you just at
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: the top you said you had oily skin, but that's dry,
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: So would they used to send cleanser No, Right, so
• 41:29
  Speaker 10: I knew that for a fact. Now, yeah, so you
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: need if you have oily skin, you need different cleanser
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: dry skin. If you have skin, you have sensitive skin,
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: if you have aging skin. So you want things to
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: be tailored somewhat. And at the end of the day,
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: in terms of money, it becomes cost effective because you're
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: not buying a bunch of things that aren't working. That's
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: just laying in your bathroom sink. You know, people have
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: tons of products that they don't I see these clients
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: all the time, this is just working for you, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: they say to me no, and they go out and
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: buy something else, and something else and something else. So
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: really kind of getting on board with a really good
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: aspetian who can guide you along. Just like you and
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: I always say that you seek a dentist for your teeth,
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: you succeed, seek a doctor for health benefits. You don't
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: kind of go to the you know, you might guess
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: a little bit, go get some ask front or something.
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: But you know, people are I think, leaning into a
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: little bit more finding an expetition to guide them along
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: so that their skin looks great and then they can
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: focus on doing their job well.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: You know, Trasa, first of all, thank you for calling
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: in the show.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, I, you know, this has been an
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: eye opener for me because of the fact that you know, I,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I have facial hair. Sometimes I have a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: beerd sometimes I have or now have a go tee
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Van Dyke it is, let's say, and so so that
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: means sometimes my facial My face is pretty much covered
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: right now. I have a Van Dyke, so my skin
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: is partially exposed, and so I have So I'm dealing
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: with that because when you know, when you have a beard,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you know, dead skin and all that stuff you have
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: to deal with. So do you deal with indie videws
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: who have hair on their face? Are you dealing with
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: clean people who have clean faces?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Or how did this Anthony?
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: Anthony was just Anthony comes in. Yes, yes he's got
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: a full but yeah, yeah, I have clients who have
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: absolutely you know, and you and I you know again,
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: they're very generous and I'm so appreciative, but they allow
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: me to share their services. And you'll see me go
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: through his beard, you know, I actually go through it
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: and make sure the skin underneath the beard is treated. Yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: so you know, we don't. I don't like to admit
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: that part, you know, So.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: You're not just worried about the uncovered part.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You deal with the just the beard and all those elements.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: Why not the same with the same with any of
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: my clients, you know, any of my clients with facial hair.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: You know, I always say to my male clients, come
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: in with your face the way you normally wear it,
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: so you don't have to shave for your facial appointment,
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: for example, Come in with it the way you normally
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: normally you can freshly save shave that morning the areas
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: that you normally shave well.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: This is her.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Tracy Huts is an avid tennis player who Enjoorge Cookie, hiking,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: fitness and traveling. In December or twenty twenty three, Tracy
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: received the prestigious Presidential Lifetime Achievement, the Ward from the
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: United States.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: President, mister Joseph Biden.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back to learn more because you already
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: know if you're listening to the show, Rashwan has as
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: they said, the rockets fell on my head and now
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I'm a lot smarter.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: This has been a great show so far. We're going
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: to continue after the break.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rashaan McDonald from Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: your daily minuting of Inspiration. This week, I said that
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: with attorney, arbitrator, author, and Emmy nominated host of Divorce
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Court Judge Faith Jenkins. Judge Faith Jenkins shares why it
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: may be beneficial to add your own perspective and opinion
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to your position.
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: What would happen with someone's case would literally depend on
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: who got their case. So if I got a case
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: and it was a young person from Harlem, I would
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: have a different perspective than a lot of my colleagues.
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: So it was very important for me to add my
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: perspective to that job. So when it came time to
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: calling on me for television, they were looking for people
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: like me who could add a different perspective and opinion
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: when giving analysis on these cases.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: If you want to listen to this full interview with
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Judge Faith Jenkins's available on money Making Conversation dot com.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class. I have
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: the one and only skin expert Tracy Hudson on the call. Tracy,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you're a motivator too. You you know, read quotes, look
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: at your social media. Motivation is really part of your
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: whole influence as well as skincare as well as getting
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: it right, getting people's life right, both men and women.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah? You know, I think I've been doing this for
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: almost two decades and when people lay on the table,
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: you know, they you know, they as a sharing and
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: you know, over the years, you where I can help,
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: I always want to help, And a lot of times
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: it's that self care piece, it's that wellness piece. You know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: I'm not a therapist, you know, I have limitations, but
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: where I can, I will and I do. And a
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: lot of times when we, for example, we exercise and
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: we eat right, you know, we can start to feel
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: better and then we can deal with some of the
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: other things we have going on in our life a
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: lot better. So, you know, those motivating people to exercise
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: and exercise ties into skincare, keeps thinking, keeps it's anti aging,
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: keeps your skin tight and firm, you know, on your
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: face or neck and the rest of your body. So
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: it all ties in for me. And you know, when
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: you look good, you do good, you feel good.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. We have a call here, Donna. She has a
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: call about skincare. How are you doing? Donna?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. What is your question?
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: Hi? How are you?
• 46:59
  Speaker 12: I got question is about natural things such as like
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: sea moss and alo vera.
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: What do you think about that?
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: For you using on your as part of your skincare.
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: You know, I keep alvera I keep. I keep a
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: fresh plant on hand. I'm a big fan of alivera.
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: It's very calming, it's dehydrating, it helps to recover and
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: rehab the skin. I use it on an as needed basis.
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: It's not it's not a regular part of my sincare.
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: I use all my clients sometimes as needed. Those are
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: wonderful things to have on have on hand.
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: Those are great toys.
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: I think the other thing you asked me about was
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: the sea moths, and I have some of that my refrigerator.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: I don't use it on my skin, but I do
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: take it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Well, listen you, that's just something you take. You consume.
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I consume SEMy you can buy. Yeah, you can purchase.
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: You can purchase it a.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I do.
• 47:52
  Speaker 12: I consume sea moss as well.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: But I do a facial like once.
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: In a blue moon. I'll do a facial like say,
• 47:59
  Speaker 12: maybe once every two months and every three months, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: it does have an affirming effect, and once I rent
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: it off, it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Does make my skin so wonderful.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: My skin's so refreshed. And I just want to make
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: sure I know everything that's natural. Sometimes it's not good
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: for you internally.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Or externally.
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: That's why I want to check, like, what's the like
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: I said, Okay, I know sea wants is located to Ingest,
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: but how about also putting on your skin.
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: Now, my guess would be that you have pretty good
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: skin because and that is sea moss to put on
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: your skin. If it's working for you, it's perfectly fine.
• 48:37
  Speaker 13: One of the things that I don't do unless I.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: Deem something is harmful. That that adage if it's not broken,
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: you know. So if you're loving your skin used sea moths,
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: if there's nothing and it's going to be damaging or
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: harmful to your skin long term, enjoy it. But in
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: terms of seeing tangible changes in your skin, that's where
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: it's gonna come off short. That's where it's typically natural
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: products fall short. And that's why Lena products that have
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: more active ingredients. So when you want to uh, you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: brighten the skin. If you're dealing with hyperpigmentation and dark monks,
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: if you're dealing with acne, you're gonna be very limited
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: with natural, really natural products.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Don I'm gonna let you go because I know you're
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: driving your car. Sound is starting to consume.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Oh we call again.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time because she out on
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the streets, out there trying to get information.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Get her face right.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Now, here's the here's the thing, Tracy, we all get
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: suckered into this. Okay, we go on vacation, go on vacation,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: and then you go down to the little Jim Air
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and they had this little all these little cards. You
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: can get a massus massage, you can get a facial
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. What is the purpose of a facial?
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: So the purpose of a facial is many. I guess
• 49:55
  Speaker 10: that there's different levels to the type. You go on vacation.
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: It's probably just relaxing blood. The massage is very anti
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: aging because simulating the blood slow and their skin moving
• 50:11
  Speaker 10: the tissue around. You know, people think it's just a
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: feel good thing, but it's actually very beneficial. So it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 10: deep pins in their skin. You know, it's anti aging,
• 50:18
  Speaker 10: it feels good, it's relaxing, it's distressing, all those things.
• 50:22
  Speaker 10: But then there's the type of faces that I do,
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: which are more results oriented. So my facials are not there.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: You know. I try to strike a balance so my
• 50:30
  Speaker 10: clients are relaxed, but I'm more about the results. And
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: actually making tangible changes to the skin.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Well here's the thing. Okay, this you bore Rusean mc
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: donell talking to you. I go out there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had the little lamp on me, and
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the lamp supposed to do something to my face.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I've had them.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I had the person take their fingers and massage my
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: face really hard. I've had the person you know, on
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: my nose, you know, pushing little things around on my
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: nose supposed to be making my smoother and all that
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: good stuff is about consistently doing it and not all
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: this once a quarter or once a month or once
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: a a half a year doing it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: That's my problem.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Or if I do need to do it consistently, anybody
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: who's listening should be doing facial care consistently.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: What is the pattern and what we should we follow up?
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: You know, I think that I have clients that come
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: in once a month. I have clients that come in
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: once a quarter. I'm going to go back to products,
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: because the products are something that you use every day.
• 51:33
  Speaker 10: So elevating your products to something that that has higher
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: active ingredients, because imagine if you come in and you
• 51:41
  Speaker 10: get a facial once a month, right and you have that.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That's what Sean and that's what Sean coming in trying
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to get trying to get all those years removed off
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: my face with a facial.
• 51:50
  Speaker 10: So your skin looks good for what a week? Two weeks?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Just like she said, you know, I feel my skin
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: is like tight is it feels fresh, and and I
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: just walk away.
• 52:01
  Speaker 10: For how long? For how long? For how long after
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: your treatment?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying by it, but I won't
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: tell you because about the hour, about the hour, it
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: feels like it's back to normal, because you're right.
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: So then that speaks to a couple of things. So
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: the type of facial you're having, most of my clients
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: maintain their results without even using my products for a week.
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: So you're talking about that's a different kind of facial, right,
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: and that's pretty standard people. You know, the next day
• 52:26
  Speaker 10: you've been offacial and you don't look like you are.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about this.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this traits because I'm really enjoyed this
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: conversation because you know, you've seen people with the cucumbers
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: over their eyes. You've seen people with the I guess
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the mask, like the green mask. I've had that so
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: that does last longer. That does last longer. And but
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I'm a person that goes out in the streets.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I go out in the sun.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I you know, I'm very active and so you know
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I'll sweat and so so I'm not a person that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: stays in air condition that long. So you give me
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a facial, I'm immediately go out into the elements and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: just start living my life like I normally do. But
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I will not denounce the value of a facial. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: will never say that the value of facial makes me
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: enjoy my life. And also I feel has lengthened the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: quality of my looks physically because I've done that. But
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it is tied to the type of facial that you get.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's different types and there's different levels,
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: so you know, yeah, and yeah, it's you going out
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: into the elements after offacial. You just want to make
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: sure you protect your skin and you're wearing sunscreen.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Right, because it's really sensitive. Once you finish of facial,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: your skin is really exposed.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Wow, Well, as we wrap this call up, how can
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: we get in touch with you, Tracy. I want to
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: bring you back with summer's coming and that's when we
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: need to have you. That's when people go out there,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: ignore sunscreen, ignore any elements of skin care and ongoing
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: procedures that can make their facial look look fantastic a
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: lot longer. How do we get in touch with you
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: and what type of products are you having available out there?
• 54:06
  Speaker 10: I have a full line available and again obviously it's
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: medical grade, very active and active ingredients. But you can
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: find me at Tracy Hudson's Skincare on Instagram, and that
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: way you can actually see my work and you know
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: some of the things that I share. My website is
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: Tracy t r A c y s t A dot com,
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: tracyspa dot com.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Well, Trachid, thank you for spending taking the time. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed my interview to want to come back
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: because I want to bring you back this summer because.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: We need you. We need you.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: You've already you already fixed your boy, because you boy
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: won't be doing hot and cold.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: No Mo, the wodden cold, No MO.
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: Don't want It'll be exciting to see some of the
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: some of the changes you decide to make. I want to.
• 54:53
  Speaker 10: I want to hear how it's doing.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: You got that I want to hear and you know
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I'm to be honest, and you know I'm going.
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: To be I want to hear that you got better products,
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: and I want to thank you blank soundscreen on a
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: regular basis. I want to hear some talk about maybe
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: some foliation too, all those big.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Words, I'm an bring it to my vocabulary exfoliation. Whoa
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: she really doing me big?
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations Master Class.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Please tell my frat brother d o hugli hi Okay, I.
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: Will glow on.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you bye.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: As host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Rashan McDonald is
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: uniquely positioned to provide a step by step, easy to
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: understand blueprint because it's time to stop reading other people's
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: success stories and start writing your own. The show, Money
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: Making Conversations Masterclass interview CEOs, small business owners, influencers, and celebrities.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: They share financial and career success tips that you can
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: only hear in the Money Making Conversations Masterclass show