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E243: 1-in-4 Americans? A Chief Exorcist's Warning and Guidance w/Msgr Rossetti | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  I was lying in bed and bang this incredibly powerful force.
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  I knew immediately that was the evil 1.
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  You made this comment that potentially one out of every
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  four American are experiencing demonic obsession.
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  What is demonic obsession? The rage of hell, the rage of
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  Satan is something which is white, otherworldly.
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  It is just unbelievable. Every case I get for the last 18
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  years, that's one of the things I look for.
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  Are there more people possessed today or not?
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  It does appear to be. Why step one?
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  What is the difference between demonic obsession and demonic
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  possession? Why are 1/4 of Americans
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  possibly demonically obsessed? How did Satan physically beat up
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  a priest? And what are the?
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  Four steps to rebuking the devil in our daily lives and being
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  free in Jesus Christ. Today in the Lila Rose Show, I
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  sit down with Monsignor Joseph Rosetti, who is the chief
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  exorcist for the Diocese of Washington DC as well as the
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  Kaplan for the Washington Nationals.
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  Today we're discussing all things spiritual warfare from
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  the realm of the demonic to the almighty power of Jesus Christ,
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  as well as the role of exorcism, the Blessed Mother, and our own
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  individual spiritual battles with the evil 1.
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  I couldn't be more excited and grateful to get to be part of
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  this growing community. Thank you so much and make sure
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  to share the show and subscribe. Monsignor Stephen Rosetti,
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  welcome to the. Podcast.
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  Thanks Lila. Good to be with.
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  You honor to have you here. My pleasure.
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  I saw some of your work from a distance, I think a couple years
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  ago now, and I thought what an what an amazing person, amazing
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  Monsignor and what incredible ministry that you're doing.
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  Well, I've just been stunned that that there's so much
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  interest in this ministry. When I started about almost 20
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  years ago, no one talked about it.
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  A lot of people didn't believe in it, including people in the
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  church, and there was basically very little done.
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  And matter of fact, I was probably one of the only 5
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  exorcists in the country. And then all of a sudden the
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  last five years, seven or eight years has exploded in interest
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  and also requests. We are flooded requests
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  constantly. So it's quite amazing what's
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  happened. There's a lot to get into with
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  your work, your ministry. I, I really want we've, we've
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  had the opportunity. I know you know some of the
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  folks we've had on the show, we've had the opportunity to
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  talk with Father Carlos Martens, a few other priests who are
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  involved in this incredibly important priestly ministry.
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  I want to go through some of the parameters that maybe we haven't
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  touched on before, the differences between obsession,
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  possession, oppression, what you've seen in your work, the
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  landscape of the greater country today, the world today when it
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  comes to spiritual warfare. But your story's really
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  fascinating. Give us some of the background.
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  Did you know you were going to be an exorcist when you were a
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  young, well, priest starting out?
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  I didn't. Really know there were.
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  I mean, they were exorcist and matter of fact they weren't when
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  I was. When I went to the seminary,
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  the, the, the devil was never mentioned and they never
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  mentioned hell. The devil?
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  Really. What years are we talking?
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  About 80 to 84 those those lost years I.
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  Know Devil 80s like he was around though right?
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  But. Even though, I mean, even now
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  when I speak to priests, I say, how many of you had someone come
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  to you and say they've got demons, need help?
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  Everybody raises their hand. And I said, how many of you had
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  some training either in the seminary or after on how to deal
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  with these issues? Nobody raised their hand.
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  Maybe one guy. He read a book.
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  Even today, very few seminaries, if any, teach about this
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  ministry. And it's sad because what are
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  the three things that Jesus did? He preached the gospel.
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  He healed people and he cast out demons.
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  And he said do it, we go for it and do it.
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  And the fact that we don't do it, I mean, you've got to ask
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  yourself, are we being faithful to the ministry of Jesus?
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  Now an exorcism is not the only ministry, but it was important
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  in Jesus Day. And it's important, aren't they?
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  All right, so you went to a seminary.
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  They didn't really talk. Exorcism was not on the radar
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  for you at that time. Let's rewind even more than
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  that. Wait, before seminary, what were
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  you up to? Were you always thinking you'd
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  be a priest growing up? No, I went to the Air Force
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  Academy, by the way, and. Amazing.
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  Happy graduate. Happy graduate, 1973.
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  Thank you for your service. It was a joy and a pleasure and
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  so very, very instructive. I think it was good for me, too.
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  The Air Force Academy was a good training, actually, as one
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  priest told me, with the service academies you said are kind of
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  like the old seminary used to be, but without God.
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  Well, God was there, of course, but that that discipline, that
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  hard work, that that service idea of service, but also you
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  can do more than you think you can do.
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  You know, the the no is not a right response to the military.
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  Do it, get it done. You can do it.
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  And so that notion was when I became an exorcist.
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  I said, I don't know how to do it, but the boss asked me, so
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  we're going to do it. So I spent six years in the Air
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  Force and I felt this slowly, slowly, this calling.
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  And actually I was a monk for a while.
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  By the way, people don't know that I was a Carthusian monk.
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  Before becoming a priest. Yes, I left the military,
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  finished my time and happily with a good six years, and then
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  was a monk for a while. But were you practicing your
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  faith in the in the so you are faithful and devout member of
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  the US armed forces? You were in intelligence.
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  And I went to Mass pretty much every day.
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  We had a chaplain on the base, which is nice.
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  And I went to Mass every day. And so it, and I became, I was
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  praying more, especially I was overseas in a remote, remote
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  kind of assignment. And so, you know, you, you, you
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  did a little more solitude there so you can start to pray more.
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  And, and I got to know some Mary, no sisters and nuns, which
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  was great, some priests. So it was a slow sort of
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  migration. You know, I wasn't knocked off
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  my horse, but rather just a little slower.
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  But you were raised Catholic. Sort of my my dad was a non
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  practicing Catholic, my mother was a non practicing Protestant.
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  So when I told my folks I wanted to go into the seminary, my dad
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  started yelling and my mom started crying.
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  But they, my mom converted on her own and my dad went back to
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  church and they were at the end of their lives happy that I,
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  that I'm a priest. Yeah, it was nice, but at the
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  time I it it, it wasn't their first choice.
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  How did a guy, a young man in the military, end up going to
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  Mass every day, discerning A vocation to first being a monk,
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  then a priest? But you were raised by two
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  parents whose faith you said, I think you said they were.
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  They were basically lapse Protestant, lapse Catholic.
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  Yeah. Where did that faith come from?
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  Yeah, no, come from God, I guess.
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  Well, I would say this in retrospect.
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  I always felt that our Blessed Mother was too close to me and
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  it was smiling on me. As a matter of fact, I still
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  wear this miraculous metal. I've worn since I was about 7.
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  And I remember, I remember looking at the metal.
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  I, you know, what happened was we, we bought this cottage on a
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  lake and then at the cottage at the cellar, there was a
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  miraculous metal. People used to bury these
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  metals. And well, I didn't know what
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  that made just taking a thing. And here comes this metal.
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  I looked at it and I said, I know who that is.
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  That's Mary, you know, the busted virgin.
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  So I started wearing a medal. I have wore it ever since you.
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  Know you have that same medal. Yeah, yes, I hope so.
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  I've had a bunch of them since but and but been wore in the
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  medal ever since anyway. And I don't know, I just I
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  remember like reading the Bible and always connecting to it, you
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  know, listen to the stories of Jesus, you know, and I was an
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  ultra server too. And, and, and so I just think
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  that the Lord was there and calling me, you know?
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  So what was the moment that you first discovered that you would
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  be called to be an exorcist? Well, my I'll tell you my first
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  experience of the evil 1 was it was just I wrote about my my
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  first book on this issue, but I was lying in bed.
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  I was not asleep and I was a seminarian at the time and bang,
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  this, that just it is this incredibly powerful force came
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  at me. It was fast and it was powerful
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  and I knew that within seconds I'd be overwhelmed.
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  To me, it was it was quite. But then the Lord gives you
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  these knowledge. I knew immediately that was the
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  evil 1, even though it never happened before.
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  And I've got another thought crossed my brain.
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  My rosary beads are at the bottom of my bed.
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  So I leaped out of my bed, grabbed my rosary beads, and the
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  moment I touched those beads, you know it left.
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  And so I learned then about what I tell people, 80% of what an
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  exorcist needs to know. If you try to fight Satan on
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  your own, he's much more powerful and moves the speed of
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  thought. You don't have a chance.
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  But with Mary, our beautiful mother, and Jesus, he's dust.
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  He's dust. So hide behind them.
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  They'll take care of you. And that's what basically an
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  exorcist does. You hide behind Jesus and his
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  beautiful mother, and he's dust. What was the what?
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  When did you get your first exorcism assignment?
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  I was about 1820 years ago, Yeah, Maso Manos, you know, and
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  I'm, as you know, I'm a licensed psychologist.
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  And so the diocese, the Bishop called me and said, look, we got
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  someone who claims they have a demonic problem, so I want you
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  to screen them as a psychologist.
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  I said, fine, So I, I met with this woman and for quite some
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  time and, and she was very sane. And I said, look, Bishop, she's
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  not nuts. I said, you know, I, I suggest
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  you call an exorcist. And so he called three different
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  guys, three different priests and they all said no.
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  So they all said. No, you're allowed to say no to
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  the Bishop. I obviously these three guys did
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  well. I don't think it's a good idea
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  unless you've got a real conscience thing going on, you
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  know. So, so I'm sitting there with a
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  Bishop, say, well, what do you do now?
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  So I said give it to me. I said I'll do it.
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  How hard can it be? Wave some holy water.
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  Throw some holy water. That's really stupid.
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  Yeah, that's one more more more stupid things.
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  So but so yeah, I started learning the hard way and also I
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  had to thank God I found a mentor who was one of the only
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  Exodus left the country and that was the began.
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  And then, of course, ever since then I've been doing it for the
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  diocese. All right.
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  I want to ask you about what happened during that first
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  meeting, but before that you mentioned you were a
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  psychologist. What were the things that you
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  think most prepared you to be an exorcist?
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  Loved Jesus and loved his beautiful mother, you know,
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  yeah, trusting in Jesus rarely and trust his mother Say it's
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  dust, you know, you just got you really have to trust in Jesus,
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  you know, you got to sleep. People say, how can you sleep at
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  night? I sleep very well, thank you.
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  So it you really need to trust in the Lord.
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  You know, it's a really. And if someone goes stump in the
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  night, we'll say, you know, which St. was it?
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  Was it John Vianney, whatever, or one of those Saints where he
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  woke up in the middle of the night and the bottom of his bed
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  was this huge demon. He looks at him and says, oh,
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  it's only you. Yeah, I think.
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  That was Vianney. Yeah, Vianney.
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  Yeah, yeah. You got to kind of say, OK,
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  you're ugly. You know, you're ugly, you're
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  ugly, you're ugly. Someone said that is, is that
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  really? I said no, That really is a very
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  important theological statement. To tell the devil he's ugly
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  because he wants to be beautiful.
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  Well, now that well, his ugliness is not skin deep.
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  They have no bodies. When you say a demon is ugly,
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  you're saying spiritually, theologically, at the core, they
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  are evil. You're ugly.
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  And he hates that, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  He doesn't like to be just, he's a a typical narcissist.
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  You know, you crack him a little bit and you know, you dust.
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  He hates it when I say that to him.
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  You're dust. You're nothing.
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  Your psychology degree though, that was, you got that as a
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  priest and that was part of a ministry to care for at the
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  time, priests and religious right.
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  It wasn't so much the laypeople, it was for other religious.
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  Yeah, I've done that for about 30 years, helping priests and
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  sisters either in a residential program or outpatient or
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  whatever. So working with priests and
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  religious who have psychological problems.
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  So actually that degree has been very helpful, frankly, both
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  helping priests and religious as well as in this ministry too.
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  It's it's very helpful as an exorcist to have a a doctor in
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  psychology. It really is.
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  So you're a licensed clinical psychologist?
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  This isn't psychologist. You're a licensed psychologist?
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  But yes, I'm a licensed psychologist, have been so for
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  30 years and have a lot of experience, frankly.
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  So it really it helps a lot. You really have to be able to to
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  to look at someone and talk to them and and be able to discern
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  whether or not they really have a psychological illness or not.
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  So let's go to this first encounter that you had their
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  first time as an impromptu exorcist.
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  You're a counseling psychologist.
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  You'd already assessed this woman.
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  You found her to be of sound mind.
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  There wasn't some issue. You believe that there was
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  something demonic potentially going on.
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  The Bishop calls some other guys.
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  They're Mia, you know, true military man walking up there.
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  My husband's in the Navy, So I was in the Navy.
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  And so I, I love this, you know, it's the man's man.
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  Like, I'm just going to deal with it, you know?
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  So you're just like, OK, what, what, what is how hard can this
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  be? So then what happens?
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  Well then I said, OK, what do you do?
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  Say the right. And I started praying the right.
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  I got to know one of the only exes left in the country and he
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  was a helpful supervisor. But you know, I kind of bumbled
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  my way through the case. I mean, I, I made some progress,
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  but I realized I wasn't too good.
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  I mean, it was, but thankfully there was a senior exorcist and
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  a holy man in Pennsylvania. And, and so basically we shunted
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  the case off to him and he dealt with her in a, in a more, more
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  fully and a better way. He'd been an exorcist for 30
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  years himself. So so that's but you so as I
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  started cutting my my teeth, as we say on on then and and then
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  learned, you know. What was her case, though?
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  What, what, what did you discover that she was going
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  through? Well, the reason why see, see, I
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  would pray the right over her every day, you know, or not
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  every day, but every every week I pray the right over her.
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  And she really didn't. She didn't manifest.
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  First of all, there's no manifestations, nothing but but
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  her experiences at night, she experienced A demonic presence
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  at night, which I don't want to tell the details out, but but
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  she, she really did experience his demonic presence and but
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  then it would leave in the morning and the so saying the
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  right was didn't do any good because when I met her, the
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  demons weren't there. Now she was on her way to being
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  possessed, but she wasn't there yet.
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  She we might call being oppressed or vexed to what we
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  want to call it so part so a partial demonic affliction.
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  So what this more senior actress said basically to me was she
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  doesn't really need an exorcism. She needs spiritual direction.
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  She needs to learn how to reject the demons and protect herself
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  and he helped her do that and she's fine.
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  When you say you don't want to share the details of what she
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  was enduring, is that because you're protecting privacy in
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  some way? Or is that because in some cases
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  you think the details are useless or even harmful for
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  people listening? More for her protection,
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  privacy, because her case was so unique.
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  As I think back on it, people might probably wouldn't
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  recognize it, but but she might. And I just think it's better.
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  But she was experiencing A demonic presence at night.
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  It really was very striking. And and the exorcist, the other
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  guy was right. He said she needs to learn how
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  to get to reject it. That's important.
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  People don't realize that. They think, well, the priest,
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  you know, casts out the demons. Yes, but I use what we call the
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  7030 rule. We're doing 30%, you're doing
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  70%. You need to reject Satan, you
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  need to believe in Jesus, you need to say the prayers, you
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  need to say I I renounce you, I rebuke you, I reject you and I
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  cast you out in Jesus name. How did you go from starting
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  that first kind of throw in the deep end working with this woman
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  to now you're head up the Saint Michael's Center and you are the
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  chief exorcist for the Archdiocese of Washington, DC,
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  which is a huge assignment. Well, poco A poco, you know,
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  piano, piano slowly, slowly well, you learn, I mean, and,
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  and, and one thing the Lord really did, it's like I spent a
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  little 5-7 years and, and we, and then I, another priest was
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  helping me. I got a supervisor.
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  So I was slowly, lowly learning. There were no courses back then.
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  There were, but, but there were some books and but there was a
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  senior. That's the best way to learn, by
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  the way, is get yourself a test or a senior exorcist and he'll
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  walk you through it and you ask him his questions, Hey, what
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  about this? What about that?
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  So slowly, slowly. And then the Lord really does
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  help train you. I had a rough case about 5-7
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  years in, which was very instructive.
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  So the Lord will send you cases which are very instructive and
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  at times he'll command the demons that tell you the truth.
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  So I learned how to deal with demonic colonies and and and
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  what happens because I would command the tell me and they the
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  Lord made him tell the truth. I we were talking earlier and
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  you were explaining to me demonic obsession and you made
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  this comment that potentially one out of every four Americans
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  are experiencing demonic obsession.
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  What is demonic obsession? How is that different from other
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  forms of demonic activity or influence?
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  Right. First of all, we're all tempted
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  by Satan, all of us. We call that Satan's ordinary
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  thing, you know, ordinary work, the extraordinary one.
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  But actually, in some ways it's not that extraordinary because I
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  and other Exodus have said this, and I agree with them that a
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  good 25%, probably more of Americans at some point in their
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  life will experience demonic obsessions.
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  That's when the demons hit your brain and they do all sorts of
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  things Know, for example, one religious superior said in his
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  community with their meeting for their every two years, their
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  community meets and discusses their business and makes
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  resolutions. So but there was this spirit in
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  the room of this conflict and division that is just he
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  couldn't explain. He said what he said, what's
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  going on here? And the guy goes, oh, we're
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  going to stop. We're going to say a little
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  deliverance prayer and pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
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  The whole room changed. It was demonic obsessions.
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  Meaning people were just kind of trying to pick each other apart,
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  argue about nothing. That's one thing that the a
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  hallmark of Satan's president families too, by the way, that
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  Satan will try to divide families.
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  I think husbands and wives really need to be careful about
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  that. He wants to break apart your
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  relationship. And there's certainly lots of
• 19:25
  little normal human things. You know you live with your
• 19:27
  husband. You know neither of you.
• 19:29
  Are perfect. He almost is.
• 19:31
  But, you know, we're both imperfect, so I mean.
• 19:35
  There's going to be some rubs and that'd be normal.
• 19:37
  But the difference between, by the way, ever since I got beat
• 19:40
  up by demons, you know, whatever I carry my rosy beads with, I
• 19:42
  sleep with them. You can sleep with the rosy
• 19:44
  beads, by the way. Right.
• 19:45
  Have you been beat up since? Yes.
• 19:47
  All right, well, we'll talk about that.
• 19:48
  I I too many too. I know.
• 19:50
  I there's so many directions I want to go.
• 19:51
  I'll let you. You're on a very good track here
• 19:53
  about what the devil wants to do to divide.
• 19:56
  Yeah. So, So what happens is he wants
• 19:59
  to to break apart your relationship and you'll have the
• 20:02
  normal kind of fights and that that's normal.
• 20:04
  But then sometimes for some reason there is this animosity.
• 20:10
  Resentment. Resentment.
• 20:12
  It sticks. And then you start thinking
• 20:13
  things which are actually not true.
• 20:15
  My husband's thinking this. He's doing this.
• 20:18
  That's why he did this, because he think, you know, when those
• 20:20
  stars, those distorted ideas come into your brain and you
• 20:25
  start feeling this, you know, it's probably demonic.
• 20:30
  And that's what happens is when you sit down with your husband,
• 20:32
  say, you know, let's have an honest conversation, you find
• 20:35
  out he wasn't thinking that at all.
• 20:37
  That was just in your head. Well, demons, demons do that a
• 20:41
  lot. And so they and we find in our
• 20:43
  team, by the way, he hates our work, obviously.
• 20:48
  And so he tries to destroy our St.
• 20:50
  Michael's Center all the time, which is why we need to have
• 20:53
  good communication, good discussion.
• 20:56
  And I find myself not uncommon. He's thinking it's these nuts or
• 20:59
  thoughts. And I talked to one of the other
• 21:01
  priests or one of the people, and it was not even true.
• 21:04
  How do you know what is OK? This is demonic.
• 21:07
  Would that be? What would you classify all this
• 21:10
  demonic Divisiveness, Temptation.
• 21:11
  Obsession? What name would you get?
• 21:13
  When, when he's, he's going after your, what you're thinking
• 21:16
  in your brains and that sort of thing.
• 21:17
  Demonic, we call them demonic obsessions.
• 21:20
  So thoughts that are placed in your mind by the depths.
• 21:23
  Or or or ramped up. Ramped up in your.
• 21:25
  Life, for example. Or yeah, we all have temptations
• 21:27
  against jastity, you know. Welcome to human race.
• 21:30
  But sometimes they come at you with a torrent.
• 21:33
  You know, it's kind of like you say, where'd that come from?
• 21:38
  Guess what? You know, So the important thing
• 21:42
  about why that's important to recognize it.
• 21:44
  But first of all, obviously you can take a deep breath and say,
• 21:47
  OK, my husband doesn't hate me. That's not this is just nuts the
• 21:51
  idea. Or fears about your kids.
• 21:52
  We're talking about that earlier.
• 21:53
  Fears about your kids? Like, are they going to be OK?
• 21:54
  Are they safe, all of this? And so and then what you can say
• 21:58
  is that thought in my brain, I rebuke it, I reject it, I
• 22:03
  renounce it, I cast it out. I trust in Jesus.
• 22:07
  We call those A3RS. I renounce it, I reject it, I
• 22:11
  rebuke it and I cast it out. Now, there are other kinds of
• 22:15
  thoughts too. For example, suicidality.
• 22:18
  When we have someone's possessed, they will always at
• 22:23
  some point be tempted strongly to commit suicide.
• 22:26
  That's one of Satan's end games. He wants you to kill yourself.
• 22:29
  Why? Because he can't kill you.
• 22:32
  Satan cannot directly. Directly.
• 22:35
  Because he did. He'd kill me, right?
• 22:36
  But, you know, so he can't kill you directly, but so he wants
• 22:39
  you to kill yourself or or your husband, whatever.
• 22:42
  So that's a different issue, right?
• 22:44
  So he know he wants he wants people to kill themselves.
• 22:47
  And so they'll always be tempted and these thoughts will come in
• 22:50
  pretty strong. We've got a woman right now, I'm
• 22:52
  working with it and she's got a demonic obsession pretty
• 22:55
  strongly when she, when she goes into this demonic mode.
• 22:59
  The, the, this, the demonic obsessions, the, the, the
• 23:04
  temptations against suicide are very powerful and they're not
• 23:07
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• 23:09
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  How do you tell what is normal? Well, let's do suicide as an
• 26:20
  example. Then I've got another example I
• 26:21
  want to ask you about when there is a temptation to suicide
• 26:25
  because of depression, a depressive episode, or like you
• 26:27
  know, long term depression or some other mental health issue
• 26:32
  or it's a demonic influence of some kind.
• 26:35
  The as I tell people like, you know, a training psychologist,
• 26:40
  that if you're depressed enough you will consider suicide.
• 26:44
  You always want. Doesn't mean you'll do it.
• 26:46
  And the Catholic faith by way is a real help not to do it.
• 26:49
  You might feel like you might think about doing it, but your
• 26:52
  faith helps to stop and say no, not a good idea.
• 26:55
  Good. That's a good.
• 26:58
  But sometimes these thoughts take on an intensity and come
• 27:04
  out of the blue, which are quite striking.
• 27:07
  And in this the case of this woman is true.
• 27:10
  And what Satan does, he takes a little bit, notes she has some,
• 27:14
  she has some suicidal depression in her, in her background.
• 27:17
  But when the demons hit, it's it's unbelievable how how strong
• 27:21
  it hits her. And then, for example, we'll get
• 27:23
  her to try to get her to pray. We'll see.
• 27:25
  I want, I want you. I renounce, I rebuke, I reject
• 27:29
  the demons of suicidality. She can't even say it.
• 27:32
  It means it. She she, she's experienced this
• 27:35
  abhorrence to that and this re and this repulsiveness.
• 27:39
  Where'd that come from? Come.
• 27:41
  It comes from Satan. For someone who is tempted to
• 27:44
  even suicidality because of the evil one, would that be a case
• 27:48
  of possession? Or could that just be obsession?
• 27:51
  You know the devil. Could be there.
• 27:52
  I mean some people are possessed will also have demonic
• 27:56
  obsessions, but I think most people have demonic obsessions
• 28:02
  and are not fully possessed. And I just was listening to a
• 28:06
  friend of mine's, an exorcist, the other day, and he was saying
• 28:09
  that he thinks a lot of the suicides in this world are
• 28:14
  partly a result of Satan's influence, which is sad.
• 28:17
  People don't realize that what's happening is like day after day,
• 28:20
  Satan's pounding away at you, commit suicide, take your life,
• 28:23
  commit suicide. And they don't realize where
• 28:26
  that voice is coming from. So would you recommend to
• 28:29
  anybody who either has experienced suicidality or has a
• 28:32
  loved one or someone that they know who's experienced
• 28:35
  suicidality, that alongside mental health interventions,
• 28:38
  love of the community, a family, whatever that they be seen by an
• 28:43
  exorcist? Not necessarily.
• 28:45
  I mean, obviously as you say, light of the first thing you do
• 28:47
  is you see your psychiatrist, see your psychologist.
• 28:50
  And that's always true when it comes to these kinds of
• 28:52
  afflictions. The first thing we do is we
• 28:55
  apply the normal therapeutic means, see your medical doctor,
• 28:59
  see your psychiatrist, psychologist, whatever, try all
• 29:02
  those things. But when those things are not
• 29:05
  enough and when they fail, but then you'll still, you'll still
• 29:09
  want to see some signs of the demonic.
• 29:12
  You know, when when they give me a new case and say we think this
• 29:15
  is, I say, OK, I can't do a solemn exorcism until I see the
• 29:21
  presence of a of a demonic thing.
• 29:23
  I mean, it's, it's that the right says that you can't, you
• 29:26
  have to be subjectively certain that a demon is present before
• 29:30
  you can do a solemn exorcism. So I'm not only going to want to
• 29:34
  see some sort of affliction in some trauma or whatever, but I
• 29:37
  want to see the sign of a demonic presence.
• 29:40
  You know, and, and after about 1820 years, you kind of you, you
• 29:43
  recognize it. And is that more of an art than
• 29:45
  a science? It's both, but yeah, it's more
• 29:48
  of an art in the sense of there are some real signs crying over
• 29:54
  person and they manifest, but then the look on their face, we
• 29:57
  call it the look, the look on their face.
• 30:00
  It's rage. It's just a human being can't do
• 30:04
  it. That the rage of hell, the rage
• 30:07
  of Satan is something which is quite unnerving and quite
• 30:11
  otherworldly. It is just unbelievable.
• 30:15
  And when you see that demonic rage, that desire to destroy,
• 30:22
  it's can be overwhelming. I was, you know, an exorcism and
• 30:26
  I had a sister next to me and she was her first one.
• 30:29
  I said, I want to know what you're dealing with.
• 30:32
  I said the demons. I said in Jesus name, I command
• 30:34
  you to tell me the truth. Did you make a bad decision
• 30:38
  rejecting God? Tell me the truth in Jesus name.
• 30:42
  Yes. OK number 2.
• 30:45
  Are you suffering now because of it?
• 30:47
  Tell me the truth. In Jesus name.
• 30:50
  Yes. OK, last question.
• 30:54
  In Jesus name, tell me the truth.
• 30:56
  If you could change your decision, would you?
• 30:59
  No. And that no.
• 31:02
  Like like, whoa, whoa, yeah. And.
• 31:06
  It's through the person that you're doing this ministry with
• 31:09
  the the demon speaking through the person.
• 31:10
  In this case, yes, and but the person is not there.
• 31:14
  I mean you. It's a whole different
• 31:15
  personality comes forward and sometimes we call it morphing.
• 31:18
  The face will change, the eyes will change.
• 31:21
  Where does a person go when the demon is?
• 31:23
  Walking that the word of the person go, what they tell me is
• 31:27
  they go into the background. They either are out and and and
• 31:32
  for the whole session in the beginning, when they're really
• 31:35
  possessed in the beginning, they're usually out.
• 31:38
  And so at the end of the session, I'll say, how long did
• 31:40
  you think we were praying over you?
• 31:42
  Oh, my father, maybe 5 minutes. It's actually two hours and then
• 31:47
  so that's when you know they're out and or they'll say I was in
• 31:51
  the background. I could see it and hear it, but
• 31:53
  I couldn't do anything about it. That's a little more common.
• 31:57
  So they, their receipt and the demons take over.
• 32:00
  Now they can't possess your soul or your free will, but they
• 32:04
  can't possess your body, and that's what they possess of the
• 32:07
  body. We're talking about possession
• 32:09
  before we're talking about obsession.
• 32:11
  I know earlier you were telling me that these categories kind of
• 32:14
  people use different names for different things.
• 32:15
  So there's sort of a, there's not necessarily a clear
• 32:19
  definition for each of these always.
• 32:20
  But how would you? What are the helpful
• 32:22
  distinctions for people to know between demonic obsession,
• 32:26
  possession, oppression? For example, Padre Pio was
• 32:30
  beated by demons and at some point actually the community
• 32:33
  thought he was possessed, some of the community members said.
• 32:35
  Padre Pio's possessed, He no. Because he had like marks on
• 32:39
  him. Hey, they, the demons threw him
• 32:40
  on the famous time when they threw him on the the floor and
• 32:43
  beat him up and our Blessed Mother put a pillow under his
• 32:45
  head. Do you remember that story?
• 32:47
  Yeah, lots of stories like that. The great Saints.
• 32:49
  Matter of fact, if you're a great St.
• 32:53
  If you read the biographies, they're almost always beat up by
• 32:56
  the demons. So if you don't get beat up by a
• 32:58
  demon, you're not a great St. You better work on it.
• 33:00
  Well, I unless it goes with the territory, I mean, of that, of
• 33:04
  that level of supernatural living.
• 33:06
  Yeah, I'm going to say it. I'm not Padre Pio, you know what
• 33:09
  I mean? But it's a.
• 33:10
  It's your Padre, Monsignor. There you go.
• 33:13
  So they, they, they get beat up. Now, they're not possessed.
• 33:17
  Sometimes they might think they're possessed.
• 33:19
  And sometimes these Saints like St.
• 33:20
  Gemma Gagani, at the end of her life, she got so beat up she
• 33:24
  asked for an exorcism and her spiritual director said no
• 33:27
  because he knew she wasn't possessed.
• 33:30
  She the phrase I like to use is vexation.
• 33:34
  You know that you're vexed. And so vexation can look like
• 33:37
  literally, you have the thump in the night.
• 33:40
  You feel like you're getting, like there's a weight on your
• 33:42
  chest. Even in these extreme cases,
• 33:43
  you're like feeling like you're physically being beat up.
• 33:46
  I've heard cases of people saying they've even experienced
• 33:48
  like they're being sexually abused.
• 33:49
  I mean, really. Happens a lot by the way.
• 33:51
  Yeah, very dark. Yeah, so the demons can do quite
• 33:54
  a bit. They can do as much as God
• 33:55
  allows. And of course, if you're in your
• 33:58
  background, there's a bit of openings then then they have a
• 34:02
  little more sway. So it can be a severe case of
• 34:07
  demonic vexation. Can look like a possession.
• 34:10
  But what's the distinction between oppressive thoughts,
• 34:13
  oppressive behaviors external to you on you, and then possession?
• 34:16
  Not much, actually. See what I tell people's new
• 34:19
  Exorcist? I say that you want to learn
• 34:20
  this ministry. I want you to dump an idea.
• 34:23
  The idea that possession is like an on off switch.
• 34:26
  You're possessed. You're not possessed.
• 34:28
  Throw it out. It's a line.
• 34:31
  It's a gradated line, in other words, and this level, the end
• 34:35
  is possession, full possession or even perfect possession.
• 34:38
  Full possession here is complete freedom.
• 34:40
  And then there's a whole line rather than saying is the person
• 34:43
  possessed or not? Is the person on the line
• 34:46
  somewhere? Yeah, they've got some demonic
• 34:49
  affliction, but they're not fully possessed yet.
• 34:51
  Or yeah, they're really massively vexed and oppressed.
• 34:53
  And they're pretty close to possession, but not fully
• 34:55
  possessed. We call that partially
• 34:57
  possessed. So they're they're sort of
• 34:58
  possessed, but not fully. And then they're full
• 35:01
  possession, whereas I pray over them, they flop on the floor,
• 35:04
  they're out for two hours and now I'm talking to a demon.
• 35:07
  Full possession. So when that that kind of rough
• 35:11
  number one out of every four Americans are experiencing
• 35:13
  demonic obsession, those like, you know, incessant negative
• 35:15
  thoughts or temptations that are really just like burning,
• 35:18
  burning in the brain, right? But in this line, it seems like,
• 35:22
  you know, it's I don't know that you would say 3/4 of Americans
• 35:25
  are totally free from demonic activity right now.
• 35:27
  They're they're all they're tempted for.
• 35:29
  We're all tempted first. So would that 1/4 go kind of
• 35:31
  like if this is a a possession hardcore, this is like you're
• 35:34
  totally free. The 1/4 are like right here.
• 35:37
  Yeah, that's. Is that where we are?
• 35:39
  Yeah, that's good. Although demonic obsessions can
• 35:41
  get so strong in the case of this woman who's suicidal that
• 35:46
  actually she's up there in a partial, she's gone.
• 35:50
  So demonic obsession can be pretty strong and and.
• 35:54
  And you say the pretty strong is about 1/4 of people potentially?
• 35:57
  Well I would say one no, I would say 1/4 of people have some
• 36:00
  demonic obsession. Now, I got that from another
• 36:02
  famous exorcist and I, I agree with him that I think what he's
• 36:08
  trying to say is, which I totally agree with, it's more
• 36:10
  common than people realize. And the reason why you need to
• 36:13
  know that is because you have these awful thoughts in your
• 36:15
  brain. What I tell you, what the
• 36:17
  history is, you want to know what the demons are going to
• 36:19
  tell you, You're a terrible person.
• 36:22
  There's no hope for you. You're a failure.
• 36:25
  You're a failure. God doesn't care.
• 36:27
  About you I can. Tell you what he says, because
• 36:28
  I've heard it. God doesn't care about you.
• 36:33
  You're not really going to be, say matter of fact, you're going
• 36:35
  to go to hell. You belong to us, you kill
• 36:38
  yourself. That's it.
• 36:40
  Those are about the six thoughts that say that.
• 36:42
  By the way, hell is boring. They have no creativity.
• 36:44
  It's always the same thing. Every case I get for the last 18
• 36:48
  years, that's one of the things I look for.
• 36:50
  Tell me the thoughts in your head.
• 36:53
  I'm an awful person, you know? There's no hope for me.
• 36:58
  God hates me or doesn't care, didn't really care about me.
• 37:01
  There's no hope for me, really. I'm going to go to hell.
• 37:04
  So I should kill myself. Always.
• 37:07
  It's always that way. Every case we get is is get into
• 37:11
  the brain. Sooner or later they're going to
• 37:13
  think those things because that's what they'd say.
• 37:16
  By the way, another reason why you don't want to go to hell,
• 37:18
  Lila, Because that's what you're going to hear for eternity.
• 37:21
  The demons are going to tell you that you're a bum.
• 37:23
  Pure hatred. God doesn't hear a book.
• 37:25
  They hate us, too. Yeah.
• 37:27
  Those people who are Satanist and witches and that sort of
• 37:30
  thing, who think that that Satan's a nice guy or whatever.
• 37:33
  No, no, you, what's 1 of the things you're learning on
• 37:36
  exorcism that Satan is you do not want to go to hell or be in
• 37:41
  the presence of Satan. It is vicious.
• 37:44
  In fact, when I was doing an exorcism and one woman, she was
• 37:48
  really possessed. Tough case.
• 37:49
  And she said, I don't know how we got into the subject, but she
• 37:52
  said that's what she said. I've met Satan and he is
• 37:56
  vicious, vicious, and he's a complete narcissist.
• 38:01
  He doesn't care about you at all, at all.
• 38:04
  He'll burn everyone in hell for his own self pleasure and he
• 38:08
  does. He doesn't care about you.
• 38:10
  Those people and those people make deals with Satan.
• 38:12
  I'm going to make a deal with Satan.
• 38:14
  You know you're not going to come out of it.
• 38:15
  Well, if I talked to a guy who actually was into the call for
• 38:18
  20 years, he said that if you make a deal with Satan, you'll
• 38:22
  regret it even before you die. You know, because he doesn't
• 38:27
  deal fairly. He wants you to suffer and he's
• 38:32
  a liar. I got to ask because I, I know
• 38:36
  people, there's some people who have this question discernment
• 38:41
  because we're in a spiritual battle.
• 38:42
  I think objectively, I mean, the sign of demonic oppression and
• 38:46
  the signs of miracles are objective measures in my view of
• 38:49
  the presence of the supernatural.
• 38:51
  So but we're in a spiritual battle and I think a lot of
• 38:55
  people, they have negative thoughts.
• 38:56
  I've had, you know, I was struggling.
• 38:58
  We were talking before this show about some things.
• 39:00
  I was like, I don't know, like, is this, is this prudence in my
• 39:03
  mind being like, oh, you know, is this some form of humility or
• 39:05
  prudence? Or is this like just getting
• 39:07
  beat up by the evil one, right? Or just kind of like, you know,
• 39:10
  punch being a little bit of a punching bag, right?
• 39:12
  And some temperaments, I think, can be more prone to being
• 39:17
  susceptible to certain voices, you know, to even demonic
• 39:20
  influence. Well, actually I'll ask you that
• 39:22
  is, you think that is true, by the way, that certain
• 39:24
  temperaments, personalities might be prone to
• 39:27
  vulnerabilities? One of the things that is
• 39:29
  important to learn as a psychologist and exorcist is
• 39:33
  that Satan is an opportunist. He's he's, he's, he's a good
• 39:36
  psychologist, a diva one, but a good psychologist.
• 39:39
  He knows what your buttons are and he's going to take those and
• 39:43
  tweak them. He knows you're a mother and he
• 39:46
  knows you probably have a few little questions about your
• 39:48
  confidence. So he's going to tell you, hey,
• 39:50
  Lila, you're a lot lousy mother. And by the way, if you keep up
• 39:54
  in this ministry, you're going to put your kids in danger.
• 39:59
  So he's going to, he's going to twist that and he's going to,
• 40:01
  he's going to. Can he provoke other people to
• 40:03
  say negative things to the person that he wants to?
• 40:05
  Hurt. He certainly can't.
• 40:06
  As a matter of fact, there is this category we call minions,
• 40:09
  and there really are minions. Are good ones, no.
• 40:12
  These are the same really does have minions and it's quite
• 40:15
  striking. For example, we had a woman who
• 40:16
  was possessed, so she's in church.
• 40:18
  Before mass starts, in comes another woman who she doesn't
• 40:23
  know. Before mass starts.
• 40:24
  The woman sits in front of her, turns around and looks at her
• 40:27
  and says give it up. Says Satan wins, you know, and
• 40:32
  she walked out. She literally said.
• 40:34
  Satan wins. Give it up, Satan.
• 40:36
  Give it up. Yeah.
• 40:36
  Yeah. So basically.
• 40:37
  And she did that and then another.
• 40:39
  So. So that Satan sent her.
• 40:42
  They didn't know each other. We call that a cult knowledge.
• 40:44
  See, she's a minion of Satan. Satan sent her to try to
• 40:47
  dissuade this woman from going to an exorcism.
• 40:51
  And I've had this happen more than a few times where millions
• 40:55
  of Satan who are actually doing Satan's work will, will.
• 40:58
  And now, so those people know it.
• 41:01
  They know there are millions of sat there.
• 41:02
  I think there are other people who are doing Satan's work and
• 41:04
  don't realize it. But yeah, when you're under the
• 41:07
  sway of the evil one, he's going to try to manipulate you to do
• 41:10
  bad things. So I think that the question
• 41:13
  with discernment then too is it's not just what we are being
• 41:15
  maybe afflicted with, it could be things that we're tempted to
• 41:20
  do. That afflict somebody else.
• 41:23
  Does Satan do that? How?
• 41:24
  How? He's always telling us to do
• 41:26
  bad. Things.
• 41:26
  How sophisticated are his schemes?
• 41:28
  Yeah, he, he'll do anything God allows, and God does allow him
• 41:33
  to do a lot. But there are limits and which
• 41:36
  are critical because if, if there weren't limits that he'd
• 41:40
  RIP us apart, torture us and, you know, and kill us.
• 41:45
  Which is why you don't want to go to hell, by the way, because
• 41:47
  there are no limits in hell of what Satan can do to you.
• 41:51
  So there are limits. But yes, he is always tempting
• 41:56
  people to do bad things. Now, for example, I, I'm
• 42:00
  personally convinced that this lone wolf terrorism thing in
• 42:04
  this country is probably at least 80% inspired by the
• 42:09
  demons. Now, obviously many of these
• 42:12
  people have psychological conditions, you know, of
• 42:15
  isolation, anger and all, and, and some narcissism, whatever.
• 42:20
  But he takes those people and then he manipulates them.
• 42:24
  So I mean, what could be more demonic than going into a
• 42:27
  school, shooting little kids and then killing yourself?
• 42:31
  I mean, is there anything more demonic than that?
• 42:35
  And, and, and let's face it, you talked about the spiritual
• 42:38
  battle being out front 100 years ago.
• 42:41
  No one, no one even thought of that.
• 42:42
  The IRA never went and just did things like that.
• 42:45
  The the great terrorists didn't used to do that, sort of.
• 42:48
  Even terrorists wouldn't go into A and.
• 42:50
  There were a lot. Everybody had a gun like a
• 42:52
  hundred, 150 years ago. I mean, guns were like household
• 42:56
  guns, guns on the wall. Like it was much more.
• 42:58
  It wasn't that there weren't more.
• 42:59
  Weren't a lot of guns around. It was a different time.
• 43:02
  So I know, I think that it's a sign of a demonic affliction and
• 43:07
  a demonic program. You go into a school, shoot
• 43:11
  everybody up and then kill yourself.
• 43:12
  What do you think the devil gets that power to sort of create
• 43:14
  copycats with these different school shooters because he's
• 43:19
  tempting people versus what the last guy did?
• 43:21
  So there's this sort of. Well, I think there is that
• 43:23
  there. And when you look at people who
• 43:25
  profile these individuals, they, I think if, if they weren't, if
• 43:31
  we stopped publicizing these things, you know, I bet you they
• 43:36
  would dry up. You know, this is going to be my
• 43:39
  moment in the sun. I'm going to be a hero.
• 43:42
  I'm going to go in and start shooting people and I'm going to
• 43:44
  get the national news. I think I've actually, we
• 43:47
  stopped a publicizing this completely.
• 43:50
  It would attenuate it quite a bit.
• 43:52
  I have a question about other acts of violence and demonic
• 43:56
  possession or oppression, but I before that what you just said
• 44:00
  is really interesting. If there's wasn't as publicized,
• 44:03
  these acts might dry up or there be less of them.
• 44:07
  What is the role of a Christian in evaluating or even discussing
• 44:10
  evil acts or evil? You know, people, basically
• 44:16
  people being evil. You know, I obviously do a
• 44:18
  pro-life work. We're repeatedly exposing the
• 44:21
  evil of abortion, evil of the abortion industry, helping
• 44:24
  people to see the truth of the value of the baby.
• 44:27
  But I do think there is a media sensationalism around evil
• 44:31
  today. I mean that the headlines are
• 44:33
  captured by the most evil things that people do and too much of
• 44:38
  that diet can't be good for anyone, right?
• 44:41
  What do you think that the correct what do you think devil
• 44:44
  is involved with in that kind of space?
• 44:46
  And what's the correct posture for the?
• 44:47
  Christian Well, this is a complicated question, but there
• 44:51
  is this excessive focus on Satan and this and, and implicitly,
• 44:57
  society almost thinks that this is a dualistic universe.
• 45:01
  There's God and there's Satan. They're kind of equal.
• 45:03
  That's what Satan thinks of himself.
• 45:05
  I'm, I'm, I'm like God. He thinks he's equal to God and
• 45:09
  narcissist love, you know, focus on them.
• 45:13
  So yeah, there's a lot of it and he's getting a lot of attention,
• 45:20
  but it's the wrong kind of attention in some ways that
• 45:23
  people are. I just did a little podcast on
• 45:24
  my own the other day and I talk about are you afraid of Satan?
• 45:29
  You know, fear of Satan feeds him, and that's one of the
• 45:34
  things that we need to teach the possessed.
• 45:37
  Don't be afraid of Satan, although they're terrified in
• 45:39
  the beginning. So fear and anger, unforgiveness
• 45:44
  feeds the demons, and you got to sell us.
• 45:47
  You got to get rid of that, you know, fear.
• 45:49
  So if he's coming at you, just be like.
• 45:52
  You're you're a loser. You are a loser.
• 45:54
  He's a loser. They're dull and they're boring,
• 45:57
  by the way. I tell them that you're boring
• 45:59
  and you're dull and you're stupid.
• 46:02
  You know, should you laugh at this?
• 46:03
  Should you laugh at this? Here's the thing I would say
• 46:05
  about. That, yeah, what's the correct?
• 46:06
  Positive some guys will do that, but I don't.
• 46:08
  In other words, I think it's important that we're always
• 46:11
  Christians and that we don't. I don't mock Satan, but I tell
• 46:18
  them the truth. And that's what an exorcism is.
• 46:21
  My senior exorcist told me once years ago, he said an exorcism,
• 46:24
  you pour the truth down the demon's throat.
• 46:28
  If you actually read the rite of exorcism, just tell them the
• 46:30
  truth. If you did lost, Reyo says
• 46:33
  you're guilty. It's not God's fault, it's your
• 46:36
  fault and you are going to be suffer for it and you're going
• 46:39
  to be judged for this. Jesus has smashed your Kingdom
• 46:43
  and you're nothing. So when you say like, you know,
• 46:47
  it's not that we're going to mock like we shouldn't make
• 46:49
  entertainment or derive some personal pleasure out of like,
• 46:51
  trying to fight Satan, because that sounds like a lot like
• 46:53
  pride. That's what they do, by the way,
• 46:55
  they they take a pride and or pleasure and sort of mocking
• 46:59
  people. We don't take pleasure.
• 47:01
  We tell them the truth. I'm not going to.
• 47:03
  I'm going to tell you the truth. You're going to hear it.
• 47:06
  Yeah. Now, as you suggested earlier
• 47:09
  and and there is that the Christians need to promote the
• 47:11
  truth and recognize the truth. And by the way, some people have
• 47:17
  recently send me notes about they feel sorry for demons that
• 47:19
  and well, I'd say fine. I mean, I wish they didn't
• 47:23
  reject God too, but don't think that you're going to convert
• 47:26
  demons because they're not convertible.
• 47:29
  Remember I told you I'm not going to they, you can't change
• 47:32
  them. They're damned.
• 47:33
  It's their own choice. So yes, we feel bad in a modest
• 47:39
  way that they have rejected God, but don't get anything going to
• 47:43
  make buddies out of that. I feel sad for you.
• 47:45
  No, no, you just, you know, you did this to yourself and now
• 47:49
  you're being punished for it. So we tell the truth and we act
• 47:54
  like Christians ourselves. One of the one of the things I
• 47:57
  like is, you know what we talk all exorcist love the bust of
• 48:01
  Virgin Mary, by the way. And as all and people should, of
• 48:05
  course, when she enters an exorcism and and comes when she
• 48:13
  comes, the demons leave that it's the end.
• 48:15
  It's it's over. Now.
• 48:16
  She might help a little bit as she always does, but when she
• 48:19
  shows up definitively, you know, the demons go, they can't help
• 48:23
  it. So when she shows up, she
• 48:27
  doesn't mock them. She doesn't, you know, she just
• 48:30
  shows up. That's all she does is show them
• 48:33
  she doesn't treat that. She actually treats them fairly
• 48:35
  gently. And actually, I forgot who it
• 48:39
  was, it said that actually hell is a, a mercy in some ways.
• 48:44
  First of all, they deserved worse.
• 48:47
  When you reject God, reject the Almighty, and offend against
• 48:51
  Him, you deserve an Almighty punishment.
• 48:53
  And they don't get that in hell. Yes, they suffer, but it's not
• 48:56
  an infinite suffering. So first of all, they deserved
• 48:58
  worse, as all damn souls do, and #2 they can't stand living in
• 49:05
  God's presence. It's not that in many ways it's
• 49:08
  not that God threw them out is that they walked out.
• 49:10
  They threw themselves. Out.
• 49:11
  Yeah, because they can't stand being the light, which is why
• 49:14
  you do anything holy to a bunch of demons and they can't stand
• 49:17
  it. Say a little prayer, throw a
• 49:19
  little holy water. They suffer.
• 49:21
  And you can imagine taking them then and then putting them in
• 49:24
  God's presence. God is always merciful.
• 49:27
  Hell is for a mercy for those who have rejected them.
• 49:32
  So we don't. We act like Christians always.
• 49:36
  So we always teach the truth. When you say hell is a mercy for
• 49:41
  those who have rejected him, they're rejecting him because
• 49:44
  God is heaven. I mean, you know, God is the
• 49:46
  Lord of heaven, obviously, and heaven is being one with being
• 49:49
  in communion with God in eternal perfection, you know, bliss.
• 49:53
  But when you're rejecting him, the experience of of having
• 49:58
  rejected him, it feels like burning fire.
• 49:59
  I've heard some theologians talk about it this way.
• 50:02
  But when you say hell is in mercy, what would be worse than
• 50:05
  hell for the demon non existence?
• 50:08
  Yes, non existence would be 1 which he he doesn't do and #2
• 50:14
  take take that demon or damn soul and place the person in
• 50:18
  heaven in God's presence face to face.
• 50:20
  Fatcha fatcha divine beatific vision.
• 50:24
  They couldn't stand it. One of the reasons why demons
• 50:27
  leave an exorcism is because what they say is that an
• 50:31
  exorcism for a demon is worse than being in Hell.
• 50:34
  They're terrified. When the person comes for the
• 50:37
  exorcism, the demons are terrified, Lucifer to to and and
• 50:42
  Satan and all of them. They're terrified and they can't
• 50:45
  stand the suffering of just a few little prayers we say in a
• 50:48
  little bit of holy water and hope.
• 50:49
  They're terrified and they're suffering like crazy.
• 50:52
  Put them in God's presence. It would be merciless.
• 50:58
  It'd be worse than hell. So God's being generous by not
• 51:02
  forcing them to. God.
• 51:04
  God is merciful. He cannot not be merciful.
• 51:08
  And the and blessed Mother is loving.
• 51:11
  She can't help but be loving. She is, you know, this
• 51:15
  incredible gift to all of us. And so when she comes before the
• 51:18
  evil one, she doesn't even need to, like you said, say hardly.
• 51:21
  I mean, does she even say anything?
• 51:22
  She just shows up. She.
• 51:23
  Shows up the radiance of the grace of Christ and earth is
• 51:27
  overpowering. Have you seen the Blessed
• 51:29
  Mother? That would be a personal
• 51:33
  question. Can I ask it?
• 51:35
  You can, but I would say, let me just that's an interesting
• 51:37
  question. I would say this.
• 51:41
  There are different ways of seeing spiritually.
• 51:45
  There are corporal visions, their intellectual visions, all
• 51:48
  sorts of visions. I think all of us, as we get
• 51:50
  closer to the Lord, see our eyes slowly open a little bit better.
• 51:55
  That's one of the graces of being an exorcist, by the way,
• 51:57
  is you really do live more in the spiritual world, really less
• 52:04
  here, as one exorcist says. He said, after the five years of
• 52:08
  being an exorcist, I can't imagine going back to a a
• 52:11
  regular ministry. You just, you just you're,
• 52:12
  you're really in a level of spiritual living.
• 52:16
  The Saints are your friends, the angels are your friends.
• 52:19
  Blessed Mother is beautiful. And so we're all, you're living
• 52:23
  in that world more and more. So that's one of the joys and
• 52:29
  which is why you need to pray a lot more and up your spiritual
• 52:32
  game, you know? What does she look like?
• 52:34
  Well, I mean, I, I, it's interesting what the what the
• 52:40
  great, what the visions visionaries have all said the
• 52:43
  same thing about her. What's the first thing they say?
• 52:47
  She is so beautiful, that's what she always says.
• 52:53
  Sounds like you agree, they always say.
• 52:56
  So beautiful. Yeah, they always say that, you
• 52:58
  know, it's. I am curious and I'm sure people
• 53:00
  are curious about how God and the Blessed Mother can reveal
• 53:05
  themselves or or show themselves.
• 53:08
  Like you said, there's different ways of there's sort of the
• 53:11
  vision. You see someone with your eyes
• 53:13
  as if they're sitting before you, like you and I are sitting
• 53:15
  before one another, or there is sort of the image in one's mind,
• 53:19
  right? Or sort of a, you don't actually
• 53:21
  see it with your mind's eye, but you sense it, right?
• 53:27
  If you're willing to share, how do you experience God and the
• 53:31
  Blessed Mother? Yeah.
• 53:32
  So I think the, the, the theologians, a certain group of
• 53:37
  theologians have talked about the spiritual senses you have,
• 53:41
  you can see with your eyes, you can see with your soul, you can
• 53:45
  hear it with your ears. You can hear it with your, your
• 53:47
  soul and your spirit. So part of the spiritual life is
• 53:52
  opening up your spiritual ears and eyes.
• 53:54
  So for example, you have faith, right?
• 53:56
  You have, you're a woman of faith.
• 53:58
  How do you know that? Have you have you seen heaven?
• 54:03
  Have you, have you, have you seen Jesus say, well, sort of,
• 54:07
  yeah. Sort.
• 54:08
  Of sort of, but, but it's, it's not just a sort of a grasping
• 54:11
  onto something which is, you know, no, there, there's a,
• 54:15
  there's a spiritual knowing. And that's one of the mistakes
• 54:18
  that modern society makes. It says, look, you can't learn
• 54:21
  anything except to the five senses.
• 54:23
  Materialism. Well, the, the five senses are
• 54:26
  important. We learn through them, but we
• 54:27
  also are spiritual beings, and we have spiritual senses, and we
• 54:31
  learned. And the more we move on to the
• 54:34
  life, the more those spiritual senses are opened and the more
• 54:38
  you say, look, I've never met Jesus, but I love Jesus.
• 54:42
  Now, how do you know that? I've tasted Jesus.
• 54:49
  I've received him in the Eucharist.
• 54:51
  I know what goodness is. I know what truth is.
• 54:55
  Yeah, I know that I'm saved even though I'm a Sinner.
• 54:58
  How do you know that? I think about the psalmist taste
• 55:04
  and see that the Lord is good taste and see the goodness of
• 55:06
  the Lord. So it's really, it's really a
• 55:09
  real experience And so, but you have to be open to the work of
• 55:13
  the Holy Spirit, you know. So I want to ask about your
• 55:18
  actual exorcisms you've done and what they've been like for you.
• 55:22
  How many do you think you've done in the last almost 20 years
• 55:25
  now? It's certainly hundreds.
• 55:30
  Maybe, yeah, maybe 1000, I don't know.
• 55:32
  Well, our center probably does 2025 a week and so we do a lot
• 55:39
  of them 2025 week maybe. And I'm about there at all of a
• 55:42
  course and fewer now than I used to be when I was younger.
• 55:46
  So that's just, I don't know, don't count.
• 55:51
  What's the hardest exorcism that you've ever?
• 55:53
  Well, I've had a couple of rough ones.
• 55:55
  A couple of them did me in, but you know, that's I, I think it's
• 55:59
  some tough ones, you know, some some.
• 56:02
  Can you share? Well, I would just say that that
• 56:07
  most exorcisms you have lower ranking demons present and you
• 56:12
  might have one, if you have one known high-ranking demons, you
• 56:17
  got, you got yourself, you got your hands full.
• 56:19
  And they're like the biblical ones, Beelzebull and Ball and
• 56:22
  Baphomet and all those, you know, whatever.
• 56:26
  But if if you've ever got a bunch of them or if Satan
• 56:31
  himself is present, which is almost never the case.
• 56:34
  Now he's present as a kind of supervisor and he lots of demons
• 56:38
  call themselves Satan, but Lucifer or which I think is the
• 56:42
  same as Satan. Some people disagree.
• 56:43
  But anyway that the the the Prince of hell, if you want to
• 56:46
  call him that is he actually really is the general showing
• 56:50
  up. I mean, I remember in this in
• 56:52
  the session, which is what happened.
• 56:54
  We got through about 8 months of this session.
• 56:56
  It was brutal. It was brutal and and that
• 57:00
  fortunately the Lord was making them tell the truth, which is
• 57:03
  not really usually the case. I said in Jesus name, tell me
• 57:06
  the truth. I want the name of the head
• 57:08
  demon because when you know the names you can get rid of them
• 57:11
  more easily. Sorry, in this case, who was
• 57:12
  being afflicted? A person.
• 57:14
  Just a person. Like a man, woman, younger.
• 57:16
  Older. A woman?
• 57:17
  Yeah. Woman.
• 57:18
  Yeah. And, and was it like, you know,
• 57:21
  attacks in the night? Was it possession?
• 57:23
  Obsession. Totally possessed.
• 57:24
  Totally possessed. Totally possessed.
• 57:26
  So would you walk around just manifesting demonic activity or?
• 57:30
  No, typically they people won't manifest unless there's
• 57:34
  something which tweaks them, which can either be, of course,
• 57:40
  the exorcism tweaks them for sure, although going to a church
• 57:43
  sometimes. So they, they, there are
• 57:46
  sometimes when a fully possessed person can manifest at at odd
• 57:49
  times. So three in the morning or or
• 57:53
  just whatever. The, the, the, the tougher
• 57:57
  cases, you know they'll manifest at other times, but certainly
• 58:01
  during it, during the prayer session.
• 58:02
  How in this case, can you provide more context?
• 58:04
  How did the woman know she was possessed?
• 58:06
  What were some of the signs of? I don't go through too much of
• 58:08
  the specifics on the case, but simply say that one of the signs
• 58:12
  was a cult knowledge. You know, the person had bruises
• 58:16
  and and scratches and that sort of thing which were unexplained.
• 58:18
  But I said, well, I'm going to get a sell of that and that.
• 58:21
  But then she started knowing things that she should not know
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  and what we call it a cult knowledge.
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  By the way, the reason why the possessed have a cult knowledge
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  is you have this semi fusion of the demonic personality and the
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  the human personality. So the demons kind of feel
• 58:38
  through your psyche and your senses and you are there.
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  You're open to to what their world is.
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  They share their hell with you essentially and you share your
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  your human being with them. So being possessed is partially
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  an experience of hell because the demons are there and that's
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  all I've got is hell. So that's when you have a called
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  knowledge. You, you know things you
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  shouldn't know. And that's that's always a huge
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  red flag. What's an example of that?
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  What does that mean? To know things you should have.
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  Couple weeks ago, couple weeks ago, end of the session, the
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  woman looks at me and she says she I won't tell you exactly
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  which, but she looked at me and she, she, I don't know what this
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  means, but she looked at me and she called me by a name.
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  Now, that name was a nickname I had when I was in junior high
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  school, you know, 60 years ago. So no one knows that.
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  And I mean, no one, no one knows that.
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  She had no idea what it was. She just looked at me and said
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  she called me by that nickname. Now, why did the demons do that?
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  They want to show me that they're listening, they're
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  watching, they're in control, and they're trying to intimidate
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  me. So there's no way she could have
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  known that. Can you clarify for people what
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  the demons do have access to in terms of knowledge?
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  Because it sounds like in this case, this woman that you are
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  helping with exorcisms for she was possessed.
• 1:00:02
  She knew she had this knowledge through the demon about your
• 1:00:04
  nickname as a, as a high school kid or a junior high kid.
• 1:00:08
  So the demons have this shared knowledge verse universe or
• 1:00:12
  whatever. And they they, they watch for
• 1:00:14
  us. They can see us walking around
• 1:00:15
  to hear what we say. How much information do the
• 1:00:19
  demons have access to historically?
• 1:00:21
  You know, I don't know. First of all, it's important not
• 1:00:23
  to say they're not. They're not omniscient.
• 1:00:25
  They don't know everything. So they do know a lot, but don't
• 1:00:30
  give them too much credit. They don't know everything.
• 1:00:32
  They're not good historians, is what you're.
• 1:00:34
  Saying, well, they don't know everything.
• 1:00:35
  And by the good angels, by the way, there's two good angels for
• 1:00:38
  every demon, just so you know. Remember, Saint Thomas said 1/3
• 1:00:41
  of the stars. Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  So just don't get too upset about demons are everywhere.
• 1:00:45
  Padre Pio said that if you could see all the demons in the sky,
• 1:00:48
  it would be black. True.
• 1:00:50
  But if you could see all the angels in the sky, it'd be
• 1:00:52
  white. So there are twice as many good
• 1:00:55
  angels as there are demons. And by the way, one good Angel
• 1:00:58
  can wipe out all the demons. Why?
• 1:01:01
  Because the demon, the Angel carries a sword of Christ.
• 1:01:05
  That's what the the Angel wields is the sword of Christ.
• 1:01:08
  So the angels, good angels always win.
• 1:01:12
  So don't get too frightened by by Satan.
• 1:01:14
  And we got an Angel. So the angels will surround you
• 1:01:18
  and so yeah, they'll get it. So anyway but that.
• 1:01:21
  But anyway, not omniscient. They can't.
• 1:01:22
  They don't know everything. They also can't read your mind.
• 1:01:25
  Or can they? What do they know about your
• 1:01:27
  mind? People disagree, but
• 1:01:28
  fundamentally all the senior actors agree.
• 1:01:31
  They can't read your mind, but they're very intuitive.
• 1:01:34
  They listen pretty well and they and they, they can guess what
• 1:01:37
  you're thinking. And that's what they don't know
• 1:01:38
  the future either. Ongoing God knows the future.
• 1:01:41
  They're not God, contrary to what they like to think.
• 1:01:44
  They're not God. They're not omnipotent.
• 1:01:46
  They're not omniscient, you know, It's very obvious too.
• 1:01:48
  By the way, that's one of the things people say.
• 1:01:50
  Well, how can you be an exorcist?
• 1:01:53
  You sit on an exorcism, you throw some holy water on the
• 1:01:55
  dames, they start screaming. You start, you hold up a
• 1:01:58
  crucifix at you cruciam Domini Fuji had parted.
• 1:02:02
  Hold, behold the cross, the Lord departure evil powers.
• 1:02:05
  They start howling, you know, so they are just the least little
• 1:02:09
  thing and they can't stand it. So that's it's going to be
• 1:02:12
  important to, to, to not give them too much power.
• 1:02:16
  No, Jesus, Lord, sometimes I'll tell them they got I said, look,
• 1:02:20
  tell me the truth. Who is Lord Satan or Jesus?
• 1:02:24
  Tell the truth. Jesus.
• 1:02:28
  I said, that's right. Your boss is a loser and you
• 1:02:33
  attached it. You gave up the Lord for a
• 1:02:36
  loser. Not too bright, was it?
• 1:02:41
  I, I mean, I can understand that what you were saying earlier
• 1:02:43
  about some people feeling bad for them because it's just so
• 1:02:46
  it's such a losing game, It's such.
• 1:02:48
  A evil self defeating. It's just it's a losing game.
• 1:02:52
  By the way, you've already lost. By the way, you, I, I think you
• 1:02:55
  know, I'm, I'm the chaplain for the Washington, one of
• 1:02:58
  Washington. National.
• 1:02:59
  So anyway, it's like a baseball game.
• 1:03:02
  Imagine that you're standing in the home plate.
• 1:03:04
  You're, you're up at the bat at the beginning top of the first
• 1:03:08
  and you get this little voice and your it tells you that by
• 1:03:10
  the way, you win this game 10 to nothing and you go 4 for four,
• 1:03:15
  four hits for four bats at night.
• 1:03:17
  So relax, have a good night. You're going to stand up there
• 1:03:21
  with a lot of confidence. I'm going to get four hits.
• 1:03:24
  We're going to win this game 10 nothing.
• 1:03:25
  We got this knocked. That's what Christianity is.
• 1:03:28
  Sane's dust. He's already been destroyed.
• 1:03:31
  You know, now your job is to decide who you're going to join.
• 1:03:35
  You're going to join Satan's team and are you going to join
• 1:03:37
  Jesus team? And that's not really a great, a
• 1:03:39
  great choice. There's only one good option
• 1:03:42
  here. Who you going to listen to too?
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, yeah, you're going to listen to Jesus is Lord and
• 1:03:47
  he's, he's going to make you happy and he's going to, you
• 1:03:49
  know, he's going to protect you. I love that.
• 1:03:52
  So back to the I we were, I took you another direction here, but
• 1:03:58
  I original question was about this hard case that you had and
• 1:04:01
  you were starting to share about some of the details.
• 1:04:03
  And I'm going to keep asking questions, but if you think,
• 1:04:05
  hey, this isn't necessary for anyone to know about certain
• 1:04:08
  elements of this, let's not do it.
• 1:04:10
  You know, this is conversation. This is God's conversation.
• 1:04:13
  This is God's conversation. I give it to God.
• 1:04:15
  So I'm, I'm asking this because I think it is helpful or can be
• 1:04:21
  valuable for people to understand what the worst cases
• 1:04:24
  look like. We certainly have an interest in
• 1:04:26
  that culturally and it draws people to the pay attention to
• 1:04:29
  supernatural things. If you're willing to share back
• 1:04:32
  to that woman you were referencing.
• 1:04:34
  Well, let me say this about as I shared cases.
• 1:04:38
  I'm I'm broad enough that there's 50 cases that could fit
• 1:04:41
  that description. So all these cases are as almost
• 1:04:46
  as my mother used to say, I could put it in music.
• 1:04:49
  You know, you get. So one of the ways you after,
• 1:04:51
  you know, almost 20 years of being an actor is is you, you've
• 1:04:54
  seen it before. I mean, you've seen these kinds
• 1:04:56
  of cases and what happens? So you, you'll learn like a
• 1:04:58
  doctor, you know, I've done these operations for 20 years.
• 1:05:01
  I I know what this kidney thing looks like, you know, So, yeah.
• 1:05:05
  So I'll talk about this case, but there's, you know, a few
• 1:05:08
  dozen others that are like it. No, it was brutal.
• 1:05:10
  And the thing about this case was I, I said in Jesus name,
• 1:05:14
  command, I command you. It was Bill's about.
• 1:05:16
  I command you tell me the name of the leader.
• 1:05:19
  They said you're not ready for this Rosetti.
• 1:05:21
  They never called me fire. You're not ready for this
• 1:05:23
  Rosetti. Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  It's the king of hell himself. Lucifer.
• 1:05:28
  You're way out of your league. And I kind of went, I am.
• 1:05:33
  I said, I looked at myself, OK, it's true.
• 1:05:36
  And it's out of my league, but it's not out of Jesus league.
• 1:05:40
  And so in Jesus name I cast you out, which is important,
• 1:05:44
  remember, back to the who's who's doing it.
• 1:05:47
  Actually, Jesus is doing it. It's not me.
• 1:05:51
  Yes, Lucifer is a lot stronger than I am, but not Jesus.
• 1:05:55
  So that's what at any time you want to shut the demons up, just
• 1:05:58
  say the name of Jesus, you know, Yeah, Rosetta, you're a loser.
• 1:06:02
  It's true. But Jesus is not.
• 1:06:06
  Jesus is the one that casts you out or they'll say, oh, Rosetta,
• 1:06:09
  you're the greatest thing. Slice, slice bread.
• 1:06:11
  You're just so powerful. You make it.
• 1:06:12
  They're trying to inflamed your pride.
• 1:06:14
  I said not really. You know, as I said to them once
• 1:06:18
  you know, I'm not your problem. Jesus is your problem.
• 1:06:22
  How long do these dialogues take place?
• 1:06:25
  Well, usually the brief, you know, I don't know how it
• 1:06:27
  happens, but this you're talking about 18 years of experience.
• 1:06:30
  So so. I mean this one just like just
• 1:06:33
  shut up like Jesus is King, like cast him out like you're, you're
• 1:06:36
  done. Well, I usually, I don't, we
• 1:06:39
  usually don't talk to a bunch, but sometimes you're trying to
• 1:06:41
  get information. Now, the important thing is, and
• 1:06:43
  this is we teach younger exorcists, you don't want to
• 1:06:46
  have any sort of conversation with demons.
• 1:06:49
  Accept what you need to get rid of them.
• 1:06:52
  Who are you? How'd you get here?
• 1:06:55
  You know, why aren't you leaving?
• 1:06:56
  When will you leave? How many of you are there?
• 1:06:58
  So you want to know and no more? If you if you cross.
• 1:07:02
  What? Hell.
• 1:07:03
  Like, you don't want to know that?
• 1:07:04
  You do not want to know that. Well, there was this famous
• 1:07:06
  exorcism in Germany where they at that they the tapes are
• 1:07:10
  available and the guys were asking them like how many
• 1:07:12
  guardian angels do you have? That's in the end, which is only
• 1:07:14
  one by the way, but but. The the the priest was asking
• 1:07:18
  the demons how many guardian angels they used to have.
• 1:07:20
  The. How many the?
• 1:07:21
  How many people just? It was a it was a abstract
• 1:07:24
  theological question. Like he was going to tell them
• 1:07:26
  the truth. As as.
• 1:07:27
  What they I? Guess yeah, as one.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, perfectly as one. Exodus said.
• 1:07:33
  I don't want to learn my theology from demons #1 #2
• 1:07:38
  they're going to manipulate you, 3 they're all liars and.
• 1:07:42
  And four, most importantly, you're giving the demons an
• 1:07:45
  opening and they're going to start pounding your brain.
• 1:07:49
  So yeah, you, you, you could be very careful that you don't.
• 1:07:53
  That's spiritual curiosity in a bad sense.
• 1:07:57
  It's a mildly venial sinful, actually.
• 1:08:00
  So you you give the deep into an opening.
• 1:08:03
  So that's why you don't ask anything unless it's directly
• 1:08:08
  related to getting rid of them, and that's it.
• 1:08:12
  With this tough case that you had, why was it tough?
• 1:08:18
  What, what, what? What made it so tough?
• 1:08:21
  This is hard to describe. Certainly the sessions were,
• 1:08:26
  were difficult, but the real fight in a tough case happens
• 1:08:31
  behind the scenes. And it's, you know it, you've
• 1:08:36
  got your, you're up against a demonic force, which can be
• 1:08:39
  pretty powerful, you know, and we say protection prayers, we
• 1:08:43
  say binding prayers, we say cleansing prayers.
• 1:08:46
  They all good, they all work, but you're still getting slimed,
• 1:08:50
  you're still getting attacked, you're still getting this,
• 1:08:53
  you're coming at you like a like a torrent.
• 1:08:56
  And so sometimes we're in the sessions and it feels like
• 1:08:59
  you're standing up against the hurricane wind, you know, so
• 1:09:03
  that they're, it's, they're a real presence, you know, there.
• 1:09:05
  And so it's, and then she was kind of losing it and the team
• 1:09:13
  was getting beat up and everyone's kind of get feeling
• 1:09:15
  kind of. So it was, it was we're
• 1:09:17
  starting. And I realized that time was not
• 1:09:19
  on our side. We were losing energy.
• 1:09:22
  She was losing energy. We're not going to last a whole
• 1:09:25
  heck of a lot longer. So, you know, and so we going,
• 1:09:27
  we're going at it as fast as we could, you know, to get rid of.
• 1:09:31
  And they did leave, thank God, but it was brutal.
• 1:09:36
  But the blessed Mother helped us.
• 1:09:37
  She she came in and. Meaning it was brutal.
• 1:09:42
  Like it there. It was physically and
• 1:09:44
  emotionally taxing, physically and mentally taxing.
• 1:09:47
  I was, yeah, it was, It was yeah.
• 1:09:49
  And everyone was kind of kind of losing it, including me.
• 1:09:56
  So what do you do when you're losing it in an?
• 1:09:57
  Exercise well, you pray you you, but but that that takes a toll.
• 1:10:01
  I used to think that say, well, you know, just don't worry about
• 1:10:06
  it. It's not a problem.
• 1:10:07
  Anybody can be an exorcist and I'm now I was doing it for about
• 1:10:10
  1820 years. I say, you know, the the church
• 1:10:13
  tells you should be an older priest, you know, and which is
• 1:10:16
  true, should be an older priest and someone's been through the
• 1:10:20
  bit of the war before that. And you know, it's if you do the
• 1:10:28
  ministry full time pretty, you know, if you do a case here, a
• 1:10:31
  case here, not so bad. But if you're really going at
• 1:10:33
  this ministry for a few years and full time and doing some
• 1:10:37
  tough cases, you're going to, you're going to get cut.
• 1:10:41
  I, I, by the way, my, my book, I talked about that an exorcism is
• 1:10:47
  a knife, a knife fight. It's I was in the military and I
• 1:10:50
  remember once we had this summer training and this officer came
• 1:10:55
  with a knife. He said, he's going to teach you
• 1:10:56
  how to do knife fighting. So he went through this knife
• 1:10:59
  fighting thing. He said one of the things he
• 1:11:01
  said to us was in a knife fight. He said you're going to get cut
• 1:11:08
  if you win, he dies, you lose, you die, but you're going to get
• 1:11:13
  cut regardless. And I'll say that in exorcism,
• 1:11:15
  exorcism it's I'm using about half that.
• 1:11:18
  But we're eyeball to eyeball and you're going to get cut.
• 1:11:24
  It's going, it's going to be, you're going to, it's going to
• 1:11:28
  get cut. What does that mean you're going
• 1:11:29
  to get? Cut.
• 1:11:29
  It's hard to describe, but it, there's a, there is a, there is
• 1:11:32
  a, there's a fight and Jesus is Lord and he's the one doing it.
• 1:11:36
  But you're still, you're still in there.
• 1:11:40
  So for example, after I used to do like 3 sessions in a day, I
• 1:11:45
  couldn't do that now. I mean I.
• 1:11:47
  I because it's just so emotionally, mentally taxing.
• 1:11:50
  It sucks the energy out of you. Satan sucks the energy out of
• 1:11:53
  you. Jesus gives you life.
• 1:11:56
  Satan's the dealer of death. He'll suck the energy out.
• 1:11:59
  I had one exorcist call me a young guy said he said,
• 1:12:02
  Monsignor. He said, yeah, I'm new in this
• 1:12:05
  ministry, but I, I, I don't understand why I'm so tired
• 1:12:09
  after nexorism. I said that's because the demons
• 1:12:11
  are sucking the energy out of you.
• 1:12:13
  And by the way, that's another thing that demons do to people.
• 1:12:16
  I had a woman who was involved in an important ministry like
• 1:12:19
  yours, and she said, I go into the office, you know, and I
• 1:12:22
  start to and I can't, I can't hardly move.
• 1:12:25
  He said, I just have no energy. I just can't get it done.
• 1:12:28
  And I just feel this lethargy. And I said, just when you go
• 1:12:34
  into the office to do something, she says, yeah, I said, tell you
• 1:12:36
  what I want you to do. I want you to sprinkle some holy
• 1:12:39
  water in your place and yourself.
• 1:12:41
  And I want you to use the three Rs.
• 1:12:43
  I reject you, I rebuke you. I renounce the demons of
• 1:12:46
  lethargy in Jesus name. I renounce them and cast them
• 1:12:50
  out. And I was, I'd pray over to her.
• 1:12:52
  She was much better. So the demons were sucking the
• 1:12:55
  energy out of her trying to stop into her ministry.
• 1:12:57
  And happens in exorcisms too. For example, the person at the
• 1:13:00
  middle of the exorcism will be just, I mean, they're normally
• 1:13:03
  taxing, but sometimes they'll just drain you.
• 1:13:06
  And I've had exorcism too, where I, where I, I, I get about half
• 1:13:09
  an hour into it, I could barely move.
• 1:13:12
  I just, I can barely move. And then we sort of stop and we
• 1:13:16
  commanded demons of lethargy to leave and then, you know, cranks
• 1:13:19
  back up again. So yeah, they'll they'll suck
• 1:13:22
  the energy out of you. For some of the really intense
• 1:13:25
  ones, can you just shortcut it to the Blessed Mother and just
• 1:13:28
  say, Mama Mary, can you just, can you just stand in for me
• 1:13:32
  here sometimes? How does that work?
• 1:13:33
  Yeah, well, you've got to be. I mean, you've got to do your.
• 1:13:36
  Share Do your share. You've got to be.
• 1:13:38
  A good question to rely on her. She's watching, she's helping.
• 1:13:42
  Part of what you're saying, it sounds like the Lord wants us.
• 1:13:44
  He wants you. Clearly this is your vocation,
• 1:13:46
  right? This is your your priesthood.
• 1:13:48
  And he's using you beautifully in his Kingdom and he's allowing
• 1:13:51
  you to feel a little bit of the the punches occasionally.
• 1:13:54
  He wanted to feel some of the well.
• 1:13:56
  That's the face as a mother, let's face it, you're taking
• 1:13:59
  some hits with your kids. You're, you're getting up late
• 1:14:00
  at night, the kids are throwing up and also, and you know, being
• 1:14:04
  a parent's not easy. 5 * 2 nights ago.
• 1:14:07
  Well, seven if you include the other ones, but teething.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah, so, so the, the, the
• 1:14:12
  sacrifices and the, the, the stresses of being a parent is
• 1:14:17
  part of your vocation. Well, this is part of my
• 1:14:21
  vocation. You know, I think mine's a
• 1:14:23
  little bit easier than yours, by the way.
• 1:14:26
  So yes, I, I, so I, I, I think I got the easier deal, frankly,
• 1:14:30
  but that's OK. So anyway the.
• 1:14:32
  I don't know about that. I my see my my my clients hug
• 1:14:36
  and snuggle me. You're you're you're you're.
• 1:14:38
  The demons are a little a little less snuggling.
• 1:14:41
  But it but that's part of mine. Are angels.
• 1:14:43
  See, I have angels. Yeah, well, we have angels too,
• 1:14:46
  but but 11 days. Yeah, right.
• 1:14:47
  So. But the other thing is I think
• 1:14:49
  it's important to say that people say, well, why doesn't
• 1:14:53
  God cast out the demons right away and could?
• 1:14:56
  And sometimes it is quicker than others.
• 1:14:59
  Here's the thing about an exorcism is that, and this is
• 1:15:01
  important for people who have demons, it got an exorcism, A
• 1:15:07
  deliverance, whatever you want to call this thing is a process.
• 1:15:11
  It's a process of purification and sanctification.
• 1:15:15
  Yes, your sins are forgiven. You know, we go to confession,
• 1:15:19
  sins are forgiven, but beautifully, wonderfully.
• 1:15:21
  But that doesn't stop the need for a life of purification, you
• 1:15:27
  know, so which is why we understand the need for
• 1:15:30
  purgatory times because So what happens is if God freed you too
• 1:15:35
  quickly, you wouldn't go through the purification you need to go
• 1:15:39
  through. So that's what we do.
• 1:15:41
  Do we pray? Or if you're fully possessed,
• 1:15:43
  it's going to be two to four years, probably.
• 1:15:45
  So it's going to be a slow process of conversion, of
• 1:15:49
  purification, of sanctification. And at the end of those four
• 1:15:53
  years, you're going to be an unwelcome place for demons there
• 1:15:56
  to got nothing to grab on to it because you're, you know, you're
• 1:15:59
  and God will give you an Amazing Grace.
• 1:16:02
  See, people don't realize it. I wouldn't wish possession on
• 1:16:05
  anyone, but you know, when we get through with people and
• 1:16:10
  they're liberated, they're in the front pews of their church,
• 1:16:14
  they know the truth, they've been through it and they've been
• 1:16:17
  purified to at least to a certain extent.
• 1:16:20
  So it can be a real grace, but it's not as we would say, it's
• 1:16:24
  not a chief grace. It's a can be difficult.
• 1:16:27
  So in the case of this woman that you were we were discussing
• 1:16:31
  earlier who was one of your hardest cases and you were just
• 1:16:34
  working at her getting beat. You were getting beat up, the
• 1:16:36
  team was getting beat up and Mother Mary would show up and
• 1:16:38
  you know, you kind of take the next step.
• 1:16:40
  You know she was possessed. Is that case A2 to four year
• 1:16:45
  case? Two, it was almost 2.
• 1:16:48
  That was almost. Two, it was 2 years.
• 1:16:49
  Yeah, and she's doing fine now. Yeah, she's great.
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  And and I'd say most of our cases people say, well, does it
• 1:16:57
  work? Yeah, I would say it does.
• 1:16:59
  I mean, almost all of our cases, the people are either liberate
• 1:17:03
  or much better. Now, some are still a little
• 1:17:06
  bit, you know, oppressed, but if if they're faithful, but again,
• 1:17:11
  outside the sessions, they need to do what they should be doing.
• 1:17:15
  Go to Mass, go to confession, live a holy life and and pray
• 1:17:19
  and and meditate in the scriptures and do all those
• 1:17:22
  things you need to do. I got to ask you about this idea
• 1:17:25
  of footholds. We've discussed this on the show
• 1:17:28
  before with I think we're discussing it with Father Carlos
• 1:17:32
  Martin. And then we also were discussing
• 1:17:34
  with Sean Tobin. And this idea that, you know,
• 1:17:39
  there's either sins or getting involved in the occult that are
• 1:17:42
  more make you more susceptible to a demonic opening where there
• 1:17:46
  could be oppression and then maybe eventually possession.
• 1:17:49
  And then also we saw they're done.
• 1:17:50
  We real actually discussing this.
• 1:17:52
  There are damn, there are actual, you know, kids who get
• 1:17:57
  impacted because of the sins of their parents or generational
• 1:18:00
  sins. What is your view?
• 1:18:02
  They're all true. You could, you know, if you've
• 1:18:05
  done this long enough, you'll see the many ways that people
• 1:18:08
  can end up with demons. It can be because you have
• 1:18:12
  invited them in. If you do divination long
• 1:18:16
  enough, you play with your tarot cards, long enough, Ouija
• 1:18:19
  boards, sooner or later you're going, you're going to have a
• 1:18:22
  problem. So, yeah, if you do something
• 1:18:24
  wrong and invite Satan and he's going to, he's going to answer
• 1:18:29
  the phone call. On the other hand, we have a
• 1:18:32
  number of people who they wake up when they're 2223, find out
• 1:18:36
  that they're the whole life they've been living with their
• 1:18:38
  parents. They've been going to Santeria
• 1:18:40
  Voodoo witchcraft and stuff. My mother's a witch, whatever,
• 1:18:44
  you know, that sort of thing. And so they through no fault of
• 1:18:48
  their own or for example, this happens.
• 1:18:50
  This is very common and saying talk to our priest friends in
• 1:18:53
  the Philippines where if if you're poor and, and they can't
• 1:18:57
  afford a doctor, if you're sick as a kid, you take your kid to
• 1:19:00
  the local faith healer who does this sort of chicken thing, you
• 1:19:02
  know, or what, kill the chicken and pour the blood, whatever.
• 1:19:05
  All these kind of Pagan practices which the result is
• 1:19:09
  you, you could be kind of slimed by a bunch of demonic presence.
• 1:19:12
  And if it's, if it's long enough and deep enough, you can end up
• 1:19:15
  being possessed or at least certainly afflicted in some way.
• 1:19:19
  So there. But there's lots of different
• 1:19:20
  ways to to get a demonic presence.
• 1:19:26
  You know, I give, I say this often because it's so important
• 1:19:31
  today, people say, well, are there more people possessed
• 1:19:34
  today or not? Well, it does appear to be why
• 1:19:39
  I've got this three-step process I often speak of to get
• 1:19:41
  possessed. I don't suggest suggest you take
• 1:19:43
  it. Step one, stop practicing the
• 1:19:46
  faith. The faith is your shield.
• 1:19:48
  Ephesians 6 Faith is your shield.
• 1:19:50
  Jesus is your shield. He protects you.
• 1:19:52
  Drop the Shields. Stop practicing the faith.
• 1:19:56
  Two, start committing serious sins.
• 1:19:58
  We know what they are. Even if you don't like to hear
• 1:20:00
  it, you know what the sins are. Start doing those sins, you
• 1:20:03
  know. Yeah.
• 1:20:04
  What are those sins? Just for folks listening, remind
• 1:20:06
  us because in our culture they call sin virtue and virtue sin.
• 1:20:11
  Read the 10 commandments. There you go, read the 10
• 1:20:13
  commandments. OK, so.
• 1:20:14
  Do what it says. Jesus wasn't getting 10
• 1:20:18
  commandments right. So sins, creates his inner
• 1:20:22
  wounds, whatever, and then three, do something with the
• 1:20:25
  occult, divination, tarot, guards, witchcraft, curses,
• 1:20:29
  whatever, and that gives say the ticket.
• 1:20:31
  You do those three things, sooner or later you will have a
• 1:20:34
  problem. I think some people look at what
• 1:20:39
  is could be demonic and write it off as maybe even mental health
• 1:20:44
  or as just other issues or they they kind of maybe believe in
• 1:20:47
  some sort of new age spirituality, but maybe they're
• 1:20:49
  just like the darker angels, but then they have the better
• 1:20:52
  angels. What would you say are some
• 1:20:55
  clear signs to indicate no, we're talking about Satan.
• 1:20:58
  We're talking about God. Well, this is where being a
• 1:21:02
  licensed psychologist helps. There are psychotic illnesses
• 1:21:06
  which might appear to be possession but are not.
• 1:21:09
  And, and it's very sad. Someone who's got a psychosis,
• 1:21:13
  you know, schizophrenic, whatever.
• 1:21:15
  I mean, it's very sad thing, but it's, it's a medical
• 1:21:17
  psychological, it's not, it's not possession.
• 1:21:19
  And sometimes they're convinced, oh, I've got demons.
• 1:21:22
  I got demons. I got this terrible voice in my
• 1:21:23
  head. No, it's, it's your psychosis.
• 1:21:27
  Take your medications. And when you take your
• 1:21:28
  medications that often times, not always, but often times will
• 1:21:32
  stop what we call the active symptoms of a psychosis, the
• 1:21:35
  voices, that sort of thing. We won't stop what we call the
• 1:21:38
  passive symptoms, lethargy and that sort of thing.
• 1:21:41
  But so take your meds and, and, and an exorcism won't help you.
• 1:21:47
  If I've got a bipolar one person or a real DID or or real
• 1:21:52
  schizophrenia, I can pray with that person for 10 years and
• 1:21:55
  won't really do them any good, you know, So, but there are a
• 1:22:00
  faux psychosis, what looks like a psychosis, but it isn't
• 1:22:05
  really, and it's really a demonic presence.
• 1:22:07
  Now you're a question going, how can I tell the difference?
• 1:22:11
  Well, spend 20 years doing exorcisms and yeah, call.
• 1:22:15
  Don't, don't, don't call them. I got too many cases.
• 1:22:17
  Call your local. Guy call somebody.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah, don't call me, call your. That's what I tell.
• 1:22:21
  Don't forget, call your local guys.
• 1:22:23
  You know your local priests. They're like we want.
• 1:22:24
  We want Monsignor Rosetti, Yeah. That's what they all say,
• 1:22:27
  people. The.
• 1:22:29
  Guys got great jokes, yeah. Great jokes.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, People say, well, yeah, Rosette is going to fix me.
• 1:22:33
  No, not really. I don't, actually.
• 1:22:37
  I'm nothing special, Frank. I've just been doing it long
• 1:22:39
  enough. But but people don't realize
• 1:22:42
  that. People call up and say my
• 1:22:44
  exorcist is failing and I want you to do it.
• 1:22:47
  And I say I would say the same prayers that he does, same
• 1:22:51
  prayers. Another priest.
• 1:22:53
  I can't do anything that he can't do.
• 1:22:55
  You need to be patient. By the way, how long have you
• 1:22:58
  been pregnant? Six months.
• 1:22:59
  Call me after four years. You know, so I don't have any
• 1:23:04
  special powers. I'm just simply a priest and,
• 1:23:08
  and, and when you're made an exorcist, that doesn't give you
• 1:23:11
  any new powers. It gives you an authority.
• 1:23:14
  I have authority over to pray over the Psalm he possessed,
• 1:23:19
  that they need a Psalm, possession of Psalm exorcism.
• 1:23:22
  So I have the authority to pray over them and do a solemn
• 1:23:25
  exorcism. But the authority, the power I
• 1:23:29
  have as a priest is just because I've been raised and every
• 1:23:31
  priest has it. So don't come to Monsignor
• 1:23:34
  Rosetti and think I'm going to do something special for you.
• 1:23:36
  Talk to your local priest. There's no Monsignor Rossetti
• 1:23:39
  special. No, no, no.
• 1:23:41
  There's got to be some, but I see what you're saying.
• 1:23:43
  God gives us our dioceses that we physically live in.
• 1:23:46
  He gives us the exorcist within those diocese or adjacent, and
• 1:23:49
  those are who God has given to us to help us.
• 1:23:51
  Yeah, yeah. And you know, I, I'm very clear
• 1:23:55
  with that with our new exorcist that the why it works.
• 1:24:01
  Why is the people in this country around the world, if he
• 1:24:03
  got a demons, you call a Catholic priest.
• 1:24:04
  Everyone knows that. What do you call it?
• 1:24:07
  Your deems you got a priest. Why people know that Jesus
• 1:24:12
  founded the church and and Jesus gave his church the authority to
• 1:24:16
  cast out demons. And then the Bishop wrote me a
• 1:24:18
  letter and said, Hey, Rosetti, you're it, you're my you're my
• 1:24:22
  vicar on this and you're going to do these for me.
• 1:24:25
  Fine. So I just, I wield the authority
• 1:24:27
  of Christ in the Church, that's all.
• 1:24:29
  And So what do I basically pray? I pray the church's prayer, the
• 1:24:33
  rite of exorcist. No, I'll do other prayers too,
• 1:24:36
  but but fundamentally, it's the authority of Christ in the
• 1:24:38
  church, praying the prayers of the church that casts out the
• 1:24:41
  demons. It's not Steve Rossetti.
• 1:24:45
  You have this book, Monsignor, My confrontation with how you
• 1:24:47
  have several books. This is your latest one.
• 1:24:50
  Real demonic encounters of an exorcist.
• 1:24:53
  Really fascinating stuff. The chapters here are things
• 1:24:56
  like Satan's minions. We're talking about minions
• 1:24:59
  earlier, gaslighted by demons. They're lying to you, tricking
• 1:25:03
  you, trying to trick you. There's a couple other chapters
• 1:25:06
  I want to ask you about. So there's this one, Coughing up
• 1:25:08
  demons. That hard case you're talking
• 1:25:12
  about earlier is when you were saying this is a really intense
• 1:25:14
  one. Does this often involve the
• 1:25:16
  vomiting? Yes.
• 1:25:18
  And I got a call this morning from a from a diocese that had a
• 1:25:21
  case where the person was the priest was praying over this
• 1:25:24
  person who said she had demons. He started praying over and
• 1:25:28
  start coughing and hacking and vomiting.
• 1:25:30
  And although she was not vomiting stuff, she's just,
• 1:25:33
  she's just retching, you know. And he said it only happens to
• 1:25:37
  her when when the priest prays over her, he says that's kind of
• 1:25:40
  normal. I said yes.
• 1:25:41
  In other words, one sign no that that the person really does is
• 1:25:48
  perhaps either cursed or has some sort of demonic presences.
• 1:25:51
  When you pray over them, they cough, they choke.
• 1:25:53
  They also just when you pray over them and when you get done,
• 1:25:56
  it stops and that they often feel a lot better.
• 1:26:00
  Now sometimes they will actually cough up stuff that's never food
• 1:26:05
  by the way. It's not a vomit from a food.
• 1:26:07
  They'll cough up stuff which is related to how they got the
• 1:26:10
  demons for one person coughed up which I've got a nut and a bolt
• 1:26:15
  and the and it turns out their uncle was involved with the
• 1:26:17
  machine stuff and he was a portal for them going to possess
• 1:26:21
  whatever another woman cough up. I just talked to her father
• 1:26:25
  yesterday. 17 little flowers now.
• 1:26:30
  Like organic flowers? Your real flower, your real
• 1:26:33
  flower flower. And it was related to how she
• 1:26:36
  got possessed, so there are signs.
• 1:26:39
  Were you there when you saw the 17?
• 1:26:41
  No, he, he was, he, he was in, he was there and I was here and
• 1:26:44
  he, he sent me the picture of it and I was, you know, whatever.
• 1:26:48
  I got the picture of the flowers and, and she was better after
• 1:26:52
  that, which is a real important thing after that vomited up.
• 1:26:56
  Whatever this is, are they better?
• 1:26:58
  Is the curse at least attenuated if not broken?
• 1:27:02
  So, but it's not in their stomach, you know, because it,
• 1:27:05
  it materializes in their throat. And there have been cases of
• 1:27:07
  nails, hair things. There have been cases of snakes
• 1:27:12
  and things like that being coughed up, you know, and this.
• 1:27:16
  Does a snake disappear afterwards?
• 1:27:17
  Did the flowers disappear? Or sometimes the snake just
• 1:27:20
  disappears. The one case I'm familiar with,
• 1:27:23
  she didn't cough it up, but there was a snake and it
• 1:27:25
  disappeared. So in the case of the girl with
• 1:27:28
  the flowers, the what? What?
• 1:27:30
  What did the flowers have to do with the possession?
• 1:27:32
  Yeah, well, actually that was our question, because sometimes
• 1:27:35
  you're not quite sure. So we we commanded the demon to
• 1:27:38
  tell us the truth and she was still at least partially
• 1:27:41
  possessed. And they said it was related to
• 1:27:44
  their, the sexual thing, the flower, the sexual thing stuff.
• 1:27:47
  And it is a long story, but the flowers related to a kind of a
• 1:27:51
  sexual thing and and she got possessed through some really
• 1:27:54
  ugly sexual past. That she was involved in
• 1:27:58
  willfully. It wasn't an abuse that she
• 1:28:00
  endured as much as it. Was well, both both yeah and not
• 1:28:04
  on comedy. Women who are in the sex
• 1:28:05
  industry will often have been abused as kids.
• 1:28:08
  So and also her mother was a witch too, so, but.
• 1:28:12
  Then, but the flowers are did they, did they get, did they
• 1:28:15
  disappear too or they just were you?
• 1:28:17
  Flushed them. You flushed them.
• 1:28:19
  You bet we did. Somebody asked me said why don't
• 1:28:22
  you do a a biopsy of this stuff that the people throw up.
• 1:28:28
  Are you kidding me? Worth flushing to get rid of
• 1:28:30
  this demonic although I kept the I kept the button that the bolt.
• 1:28:34
  I threw holy water out though, but generally.
• 1:28:36
  Speaking, this is God's bolt. Yeah, now it is.
• 1:28:38
  Well, and they're God's flowers, right?
• 1:28:40
  I mean, are they or? No, now in the the the the
• 1:28:42
  cesspool. OK, all right.
• 1:28:44
  They're in the the garbage tank. OK, so you had a chapter that
• 1:28:48
  was. I mean, there's a lot of it's
• 1:28:50
  all very fascinating stuff, but I want to talk about some of the
• 1:28:56
  you have the chapter here, you know, Satan, seductions,
• 1:28:58
  exorcist beware. You were kind of speaking to
• 1:29:00
  that earlier, but you have this chapter about demons and sacks,
• 1:29:04
  dogs and demons. Tell tell me about that.
• 1:29:06
  By the way, I would say this, Lyle, that what I think is
• 1:29:10
  unique about the book is I'm just sharing my experience.
• 1:29:13
  It's like sitting at the table with the actress and say what
• 1:29:15
  happened, what happened this morning.
• 1:29:16
  So it's not filtered in any way, rather raw and just simply our
• 1:29:24
  experience. So and I, I didn't exaggerate, I
• 1:29:26
  just told him what happened. So dogs, I love dogs.
• 1:29:32
  One of my jokes is I do too. Do you have a dog?
• 1:29:36
  I don't but I my husband I tell him what we we should get a dog.
• 1:29:39
  We should have. Well, if you're home enough, he
• 1:29:40
  could have one. Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  When my when my oldest son's old enough to take care of him, I
• 1:29:44
  think we're going to get a dog. Yeah, well, I love dogs.
• 1:29:47
  And I say this, I listen. I said all dogs go to heaven.
• 1:29:52
  Cats. I don't know.
• 1:29:54
  No, I was just kidding. Obviously the.
• 1:29:56
  Cat's a minion. No, some cats are good.
• 1:29:59
  Just kidding, I'm just. Kidding.
• 1:30:01
  Only people go to heaven, but with dogs, God will take care of
• 1:30:04
  the dogs. Yeah, Anyway, so I love dogs
• 1:30:06
  and. Well, I I know a person who was
• 1:30:10
  a bit of a spiritual sensitive. It was given special gifts and
• 1:30:14
  we've confirmed them. So she she could have had a
• 1:30:17
  little vision into the the spiritual world and she had a
• 1:30:21
  dog and the and the dog could actually see demons and sense
• 1:30:27
  their president. He would start howling when
• 1:30:30
  demons are about to enter before they got there.
• 1:30:34
  Now she told me that I said, well, does a dog help scare the
• 1:30:37
  demons away? He said, no, he's worthless.
• 1:30:39
  So, but it's interesting now if you actually go through the
• 1:30:44
  history books. You think dogs actually go to
• 1:30:46
  heaven? I'm sorry.
• 1:30:47
  No, no. And here's what I think.
• 1:30:49
  People get mad at me for a variety of of this issue.
• 1:30:52
  By the way, everything I've said today, I'll get more grief out
• 1:30:54
  of the dog thing. Anything else?
• 1:30:55
  We're, we're in good company that I'm in good company because
• 1:30:58
  I, I've been getting a lot of grief lately too.
• 1:30:59
  So. Here's what I'll say about dogs.
• 1:31:01
  First of all, dogs are part of God's creation, as cats are too.
• 1:31:04
  They're part of God's creation. And yes, human beings are the
• 1:31:09
  only ones who can really take in the beatific vision.
• 1:31:13
  We're the only ones who are made to see the face of God and, and,
• 1:31:19
  and, and so that we only have we are only ones the cop box days,
• 1:31:23
  we say with the, the capacity for, for being united with God
• 1:31:26
  and and full community. But all of creation is created
• 1:31:31
  through Christ, through the Son of God and all of creation.
• 1:31:35
  It will be transformed in the new age, a new heavens and a new
• 1:31:39
  world. So in some way, all the trees,
• 1:31:42
  all the rocks, all the flowers and all the dogs and even cats,
• 1:31:46
  we're going to somehow be transformed and, and and be
• 1:31:49
  there in the new world. So yeah, your dog, your fluffy,
• 1:31:54
  I think will be, will be somehow not lost.
• 1:31:59
  I love that. Oh, God created it.
• 1:32:02
  Everything God creates is good. You know?
• 1:32:04
  He's not going to he's not going to shut them off.
• 1:32:08
  If I love dogs, he must love dogs.
• 1:32:11
  Yeah, you. Were going to say something else
• 1:32:12
  though before I asked. I kind of interrupted you.
• 1:32:15
  I apologize. About dogs and there have been a
• 1:32:17
  number of cases where dogs actually could see demons.
• 1:32:20
  I had a case, for example, that which I tell him my my first
• 1:32:24
  book on this interesting. That guy calls me up.
• 1:32:27
  I don't know how he got a hold of me, but it was from another
• 1:32:29
  state and he's not Catholic. Matter of fact, he's a non
• 1:32:33
  practicing process. His whole family didn't believe
• 1:32:35
  whatever and but they're they bought this house and they're
• 1:32:40
  terrified it because it just it did.
• 1:32:43
  It was completely infested. That's the phrase infestation.
• 1:32:47
  The house is infested with demons.
• 1:32:49
  And how did they know? Well, it's like a bad movie.
• 1:32:52
  You know those bad movies about? It's a bad movie.
• 1:32:57
  Doors open and closing. Windows open and closing,
• 1:33:00
  temperature drops to 4050°. A dog's howling whistles and
• 1:33:04
  it's the whole thing. It's just, it's just creaking
• 1:33:07
  moist talk to. The whole house is completely
• 1:33:10
  infested. And it's not like, oh, there's
• 1:33:12
  an old dishwasher and it hums. It's it's more than that.
• 1:33:15
  Yeah. Oh, no, it's just, I mean, that
• 1:33:16
  place was out of control. And, and when I heard him and I
• 1:33:19
  said I instantly know that this house is infested and, and, and
• 1:33:22
  of course they went to the local Catholic priest and he asked
• 1:33:25
  them if they had mice. You know, it's like really, you
• 1:33:29
  know, come on, do you listen to the story?
• 1:33:32
  And you're talking about mice. That's a pretty big mouse.
• 1:33:35
  I mean, come on, people. So anyway, so I said, Oh my
• 1:33:37
  gosh, guys got demons and turns out and the and then what do you
• 1:33:41
  do? You list, you look at what
• 1:33:42
  happened to the house before they got in there.
• 1:33:45
  Turns out the guy who owned the house was a child molester,
• 1:33:47
  sadly, and also he was practicing the occult.
• 1:33:51
  A terrible 1-2 punch. Both of those are very demonic,
• 1:33:54
  molesting kids and also practicing the occult.
• 1:33:58
  He dies. House is now infested.
• 1:34:00
  The demons are saying house belongs to us.
• 1:34:03
  This guy gave it to us. Well, in fact he did.
• 1:34:05
  So now they're saying we own this house.
• 1:34:08
  And so they're in the house Now. They're so terrified that
• 1:34:10
  they're all sleeping in the master bedroom together.
• 1:34:12
  And the dog is the kids. Were there kids?
• 1:34:15
  Yeah, two kids, two kids, mom and dad, and the dog actually
• 1:34:21
  was lying at the edge of the bedroom, a door and kind of
• 1:34:25
  keeping guard. The dog could see the demons
• 1:34:28
  knew when they were there and would bark and howl and that
• 1:34:30
  sort of thing. God bless.
• 1:34:31
  And I've, I've seen another, isn't that nice?
• 1:34:34
  And the dogs, and I've seen a number of cases like that where
• 1:34:37
  the dogs will see the demons. Actually, the cats can too
• 1:34:41
  sometimes. Sometimes you watch the cat
• 1:34:42
  going like this, it's watch the demons.
• 1:34:45
  So yeah, just you just want to make sure the question comes
• 1:34:48
  whose side they on did. They get them out or the whose
• 1:34:51
  side they on. Terrible.
• 1:34:55
  I love cats too, by the way. There's some beautiful cats, but
• 1:34:57
  not always. Anyway, so yeah, basically what
• 1:35:00
  happened was. The cat, no, the attitude of the
• 1:35:02
  cat, the dog is like rah rah. Like they don't, they want to
• 1:35:06
  alert the pair. The cats just like like just
• 1:35:08
  like crawl, slink off, like let the demons like run around
• 1:35:11
  anyways, anyway, so we're going to yeah, I'll probably get hate
• 1:35:14
  for even that. So we'll keep going.
• 1:35:15
  I call the local Catholic priest.
• 1:35:17
  I asked where they live. I called the local parish.
• 1:35:20
  I said father, He said these people need help.
• 1:35:22
  He said, well, I'm going, I'm on vacation tomorrow for two weeks.
• 1:35:24
  I said this and this is an emergency.
• 1:35:26
  Usually I don't do emergencies. So I said this is an emergency.
• 1:35:28
  They're like. Cancun can wait.
• 1:35:31
  Yeah. And so anyway, God bless him, he
• 1:35:33
  goes over there right that night and and says the the right of
• 1:35:36
  the house and go on a two week vacation.
• 1:35:38
  So I asked that and a couple days later I said, how's it
• 1:35:41
  going? He said, you know, he said a lot
• 1:35:43
  better, about 80% better. But there's still some whistling
• 1:35:47
  and some voices and things slamming and there's still some
• 1:35:50
  of that, all that stuff going on.
• 1:35:52
  I said, fine, priest comes back. I said, Father, can you go over
• 1:35:56
  again? He said fine goes over again,
• 1:35:58
  says the right the second time. House is clean.
• 1:36:02
  And that's typical, by the way. It sometimes will take years to
• 1:36:05
  pray over people, but for some reason, not always.
• 1:36:08
  There's some tough cases of houses too, but usually it'll
• 1:36:11
  clean up quicker. So sure enough, demons left.
• 1:36:15
  I talked to him six months later, then two years later and
• 1:36:19
  basically house cleaned. He's now sitting with his family
• 1:36:22
  in the front pews of the church. Was he practicing his faith
• 1:36:26
  before this? No, they were not practicing.
• 1:36:28
  She didn't believe, and the kids didn't believe in they were.
• 1:36:30
  No, they weren't doing nothing. What a mercy from.
• 1:36:32
  I mean, that's amazing. Yeah.
• 1:36:33
  Well, right. So their house, buying a house
• 1:36:37
  that was owned by a child molester and a a cult
• 1:36:40
  practitioner and experience all this demonic activity, having
• 1:36:44
  the local priest help them out, basically transform their
• 1:36:46
  family. Yeah, they did.
• 1:36:47
  They learned it the hard way. So you say, well, I wouldn't
• 1:36:50
  want to be possessed or a vex, but sure.
• 1:36:53
  But you know, it teaches you the faith.
• 1:36:56
  And I would say if one of the major things that being an
• 1:36:59
  exodus does, it teaches you by experience the truths of the
• 1:37:04
  faith. Now, I'll tell everyone
• 1:37:06
  listening, I want you to listen to this.
• 1:37:08
  Everything the Catholic Church teaches is true.
• 1:37:11
  Every one of them go through the Catechism, every word is true.
• 1:37:15
  And if you disagree with it, it's your problem because we
• 1:37:20
  experience every one of those things and an exit, and I mean
• 1:37:23
  every one of them. At some point or another, you're
• 1:37:26
  going to hear it all and the demons are going to react to
• 1:37:29
  things and they're going to whatever.
• 1:37:30
  And you experience the truths of the faith on a daily basis.
• 1:37:35
  There are a lot of, I think very well-intentioned Protestants who
• 1:37:38
  have a devout, a personal strong faith, right, who think that
• 1:37:42
  mother Mary is elevated too much in the church.
• 1:37:46
  And they may say, well, Jesus didn't elevate Mary as much as
• 1:37:49
  you guys are elevating her. They they, I think there is this
• 1:37:51
  misunderstanding. What would you say?
• 1:37:54
  Well. I said every actress loves the
• 1:37:57
  Virgin Mary. She was our number one help
• 1:38:01
  outside of Jesus. But see, I actually think that
• 1:38:04
  Jesus gave this ministry to Mary.
• 1:38:06
  Have you ever heard of Jesus himself as a person showing up
• 1:38:10
  in exorcism? The answer that is no.
• 1:38:12
  I have never heard of 1 case. Why?
• 1:38:16
  Because Satan likes to think of himself as equal to God and he
• 1:38:21
  ain't. Jesus, by showing up, would be
• 1:38:25
  sort of almost supporting that idea.
• 1:38:30
  Rather, he sends this little woman from the Middle East, you
• 1:38:35
  know, little married little, that little woman.
• 1:38:37
  He hates human beings, he just despises us.
• 1:38:42
  He hates the mother of Jesus, and yet she just shows up and he
• 1:38:46
  can't get out of the room fast enough.
• 1:38:48
  So it's his just punishment that this little woman, this humble
• 1:38:54
  little servant of the Lord handmaid, the Lord would cast
• 1:38:57
  him out. So all Exodus love the Virgin
• 1:39:00
  Mary. If it don't love the Virgin
• 1:39:01
  Mary, don't go into this ministry because you're in the
• 1:39:04
  wrong 1 you know, and we all do because she's she's our mother
• 1:39:09
  and she's there. She's there, she's taking care
• 1:39:12
  of us. She's the best.
• 1:39:14
  You gotcha? Yeah, she's a.
• 1:39:16
  This chapter we talked about the dogs.
• 1:39:19
  I want to ask you about the chapter demons and sex context
• 1:39:25
  here really quick and I want your take on all of this
• 1:39:28
  abortion, I think is extreme demonic.
• 1:39:31
  It's the realm of the demonic killing the baby.
• 1:39:33
  There's nothing more horrific right?
• 1:39:35
  The killing killing these babies, children of God and.
• 1:39:39
  And why is it that these satanic groups are starting abortion
• 1:39:43
  clinics? I I don't understand how they
• 1:39:47
  said it's their. Sacrament, literally the Church
• 1:39:49
  of Satan says we're. Going to do so abortion people
• 1:39:52
  say. You know that this is a good
• 1:39:54
  thing when the Satanists love it.
• 1:39:58
  You go. Those are your bedfellows, the
• 1:39:59
  Satanists. What does that tell you?
• 1:40:03
  And I think the part that's connected here too is we have a
• 1:40:06
  million abortions in the in the US today, nine out of every 10
• 1:40:11
  women who have abortions are unmarried.
• 1:40:14
  It's largely a consequence of premarital sex, people not
• 1:40:18
  putting sex in its proper context.
• 1:40:19
  Now, you can still be married and commit abortion.
• 1:40:21
  So it's not like this is a protection.
• 1:40:23
  You can have a horrible marriage.
• 1:40:24
  You can do bad things in marriage.
• 1:40:26
  You got to be chased inside and outside of marriage.
• 1:40:28
  You know, marriage isn't a cure all, but marriage is an
• 1:40:30
  incredibly beautiful institution given to us by God.
• 1:40:33
  Anyways, people have sex outside of marriage.
• 1:40:36
  It's just normal if it's normalized.
• 1:40:37
  That's the way things go. We're very sexualized and then
• 1:40:41
  we have abortion as a consequence.
• 1:40:43
  Well, I've had a couple cases where actually more than a few,
• 1:40:47
  where some women can be possessed and they've had
• 1:40:50
  abortion in the past. Usually there's a number of
• 1:40:52
  things they were when they called their parents were when
• 1:40:54
  they called, they did whatever and they also had abortions and
• 1:40:56
  may have been involved in the sex industry or whatever.
• 1:40:59
  So and one case, they will always mock the woman.
• 1:41:04
  They'll, they'll taunt them. You killed your baby and that
• 1:41:08
  and the demons will taunt them with that.
• 1:41:10
  And one woman told me that because when you're possessed
• 1:41:14
  fully, there is this again, this melding of the you're the demons
• 1:41:19
  would drag you to hell of it. And she said the demons made her
• 1:41:22
  hold her dead baby and and they mocked her.
• 1:41:27
  And another case, she said the demons made her go through
• 1:41:31
  physically feeling the abortion, having the abortion again.
• 1:41:36
  And they can do that. They can make you feel things in
• 1:41:37
  your body. So they tormented her and others
• 1:41:41
  for having abortions. And they also tormented them
• 1:41:44
  with experiencing going through the process again.
• 1:41:47
  So yeah, demons are merciless, but they'll use that against the
• 1:41:53
  people who are possessed. And there was no hope of
• 1:41:55
  redemption there. They're just we're trying to
• 1:41:57
  just endlessly shame her with no hope of forgiveness or
• 1:42:00
  redemption. Now, of course, what we do of
• 1:42:02
  course is a very important we bring in the the mercy of Jesus.
• 1:42:07
  We go to confession, you know, as Father Gabriel or more the
• 1:42:11
  famous exorcist said, one good confessions worth 50 exorcisms.
• 1:42:15
  We go to confession and then we, we sort of, we sort of continue
• 1:42:18
  to remind them Jesus has forgiven you your sins because
• 1:42:21
  remember the demons say to them, you're unforgivable.
• 1:42:24
  This is an unforgivable sin. We say, no, no, Jesus has
• 1:42:27
  forgiven you sins. And I'll make them repeat it.
• 1:42:31
  Repeat it to me. Jesus has forgiven me my sins.
• 1:42:36
  So it's, it's a toughie, but they, she got through it.
• 1:42:40
  She's liberated and the other one too.
• 1:42:44
  We're working on her too. So you see really all the
• 1:42:48
  abortions and all the promiscuity and the sexual
• 1:42:51
  perversions and everything else are really footholds for also
• 1:42:55
  shame and guilt in a way where they're the like, on one side
• 1:42:59
  people can pretend it's not a big deal.
• 1:43:00
  I think that's half the problem. Maybe on the other side people
• 1:43:03
  say, well I'm I'm bad now I'm just going to be bad.
• 1:43:06
  Well, he'll same will emphasize both.
• 1:43:11
  He'll either emphasize you should be doing these evil
• 1:43:13
  things or sexual things, whatever or, and, or, or erosion
• 1:43:18
  and, and then later tell you're unforgivable.
• 1:43:20
  And because there is an internal conscious thing that goes on,
• 1:43:24
  you know, when you do sinful things, your conscience will not
• 1:43:29
  you, even though you might not see it.
• 1:43:31
  By the way, remember what the, the sufferings of hell Sister
• 1:43:33
  Faustina said, the number 2 suffering of hell, number one is
• 1:43:37
  the loss of the vision of God #2 is what we call the worm of
• 1:43:41
  conscience. You and the demons will do this
• 1:43:43
  to you. You did this.
• 1:43:46
  They're going to remind you every day, every moment of all
• 1:43:49
  your sins. You know, they're keeping
• 1:43:52
  pounding away for an eternity all your sins.
• 1:43:57
  So accepting the forgiveness, it's often difficult for people
• 1:44:03
  to really accept God's forgiveness, to say, you know, I
• 1:44:08
  am a Sinner and I am too. All of us are sinners, but I
• 1:44:12
  accept the forgiveness of God. I accept into my life.
• 1:44:16
  That's what Satan does not want you to know.
• 1:44:19
  He does not want you to know that your sins are forgiven.
• 1:44:25
  I feel like a lot of the problem today is along with that, not
• 1:44:30
  people not wanting to accept the mercy and the goodness of God,
• 1:44:33
  but kind of adjacent to that maybe is that they don't want to
• 1:44:35
  admit what they did was wrong. So they're sort of cauterizing
• 1:44:39
  their consciences. They're seeing their conscience.
• 1:44:41
  I mean the, the start of this whole thing is to to remit that
• 1:44:46
  I am a Sinner. I mean, I recently one had a, a
• 1:44:49
  woman said to me, of course, you know, the priest, I tell people,
• 1:44:51
  are you going, are you going to church, etcetera, etcetera,
• 1:44:53
  etcetera. And she looked at me and said,
• 1:44:55
  why? I don't need to go to church,
• 1:44:56
  I'm a good person. I'm going to go to heaven.
• 1:44:58
  And her idea was that, you know, as long as I'm a good person,
• 1:45:02
  yeah, on my own, I don't need this, all this religious stuff.
• 1:45:05
  I don't need Jesus because I'm, I'm good, you know, and I'm
• 1:45:08
  going to go to heaven. Well, what she doesn't realize
• 1:45:13
  is that she's a Sinner like the rest of us.
• 1:45:15
  And what you really deserve, all of us deserve with God's strict
• 1:45:19
  justice, with God's strict justice, you and I and all of us
• 1:45:25
  deserve to go to hell. We are simply saved by the mercy
• 1:45:28
  of God, you know, and all of us need Jesus.
• 1:45:31
  I, I love that story of the, of the, the, the lost sheep.
• 1:45:35
  I, I was at the shrine the other day and I was given a homie on
• 1:45:37
  this. I said, look, who do you
• 1:45:38
  identify with the 99 righteous or the one lost sheep?
• 1:45:42
  I hope you identify with the lost sheep because that's who we
• 1:45:45
  all are. We are all the lost sheep that
• 1:45:48
  Jesus had come to to rescue and save.
• 1:45:52
  That's so important for all of us, but also for the possessed.
• 1:45:58
  And that's because we, we, we have rejected God.
• 1:46:01
  Even the smallest movement of our heart, rejection of God,
• 1:46:05
  like not wanting to do what is good, what is true, what is
• 1:46:07
  loving. Ultimately not wanting to obey,
• 1:46:09
  not wanting to trust. Well, I think part of the
• 1:46:13
  problem is we don't realize what we're really called to be.
• 1:46:16
  There was people say, like this woman said, I'm I'm a good
• 1:46:18
  person. Well, according to what?
• 1:46:20
  I mean, some sort of what a modern notion, Not according to
• 1:46:23
  God's notes. She's you say, what does it take
• 1:46:26
  to be in God's presence? Have you ever met a really holy
• 1:46:29
  person? I mean a really holy person?
• 1:46:32
  They radiate the presence of God, joy on their face, their
• 1:46:36
  eyes beam. They are holy people.
• 1:46:38
  And you say to my when I give out communion that I just, I, I
• 1:46:42
  say, yeah, I'd like to be like her.
• 1:46:44
  Yeah, I'd like to be like her. You know, beautiful, holy
• 1:46:46
  people. That's what you're called to be.
• 1:46:48
  And how many of us are like that, say, well, I'm not really
• 1:46:52
  that great. Well, that's what it's going to
• 1:46:56
  take to be in God's presence. And if you're anything less than
• 1:46:58
  that or anything less than Jesus, you're fundamentally
• 1:47:03
  damned except because, except with forgiveness.
• 1:47:06
  So we don't realize the holiness that we're called to and also
• 1:47:13
  what it takes to live in God's presence.
• 1:47:16
  That's why we have Burgadore again.
• 1:47:19
  Imagine standing up in front of a supernova and the light is
• 1:47:23
  shining in an incredibly infinite power.
• 1:47:26
  Question can you stand it? You can't stand it if you had
• 1:47:29
  the least bit of imperfection. So that's where this purgatory
• 1:47:34
  screens out the little imperfections.
• 1:47:37
  Now hopefully you don't need it because just life is a
• 1:47:39
  purgatory. If you have 4 kids or whatever
• 1:47:41
  you that's a, that's a pretty good purgatory.
• 1:47:43
  But but for the rest of us that will probably need a little
• 1:47:46
  scrubbing, as we call it. We need a little scrubbing
• 1:47:48
  before you. We're all ready for the fullness
• 1:47:51
  of God's presence. Do you think purgatory is a or
• 1:47:55
  what does the Church, I should say, teach about purgatory?
• 1:47:59
  And I'm asking because I I was for folks who are not familiar
• 1:48:02
  with the teacher Church's teaching.
• 1:48:04
  I've heard a lot of Protestants say that purgatory is not
• 1:48:07
  biblical, that purgatory sort of somehow diminishes the saving
• 1:48:11
  power of Jesus because he covers us with his grace and his the
• 1:48:17
  shedding of his blood. Jesus does cover us, but I said
• 1:48:20
  that there's no cheap grace. That's what Bonhoeffer is
• 1:48:23
  basically pointing the fingers at his fellow Protestants.
• 1:48:25
  There's no cheap grace. Yes, yes, there Jesus forgives
• 1:48:28
  our sins. But forgiveness and
• 1:48:32
  sanctification are two different, two different things.
• 1:48:35
  Jesus forgives us, but then that sanctification thing.
• 1:48:40
  And that's why there's a cross. That's why we every day, we pick
• 1:48:44
  up your cross every day, every day we, we serve the Lord.
• 1:48:47
  Every day we pray. And, and so we get ready for the
• 1:48:51
  Lord's president. And I know the Protestants don't
• 1:48:53
  like that idea, but the fact is, I think when you live life, you,
• 1:48:58
  you see it. Now hopefully you don't need
• 1:49:01
  purgatory. But again, purgatory is a mercy.
• 1:49:04
  You know you don't want, you don't want it.
• 1:49:07
  Matter of fact, some of the some Mystics have said that the souls
• 1:49:11
  are not sent to purgatory. They fling themselves into
• 1:49:15
  purgatory because they know they're not ready for God and
• 1:49:17
  they know they're not ready for. And it's a going through, right?
• 1:49:20
  It's a process of irrigation. You're.
• 1:49:21
  Going to be going to be saved. It's less about place and more
• 1:49:24
  about process, although process requires place typically, right?
• 1:49:27
  Yeah. So, yeah, precisely so.
• 1:49:28
  And what I like that there's a nice what's called an
• 1:49:31
  unpublished manuscript on purgatory, which I love called
• 1:49:34
  an unpublished manuscript on purgatory.
• 1:49:36
  You can get it, I think in Amazon.
• 1:49:37
  But she said that there's one of the saved souls came back to her
• 1:49:43
  and revealed things to her. And the highest level of
• 1:49:46
  purgatory before the vision of God is you're done with the
• 1:49:52
  sword of the fire, you're done with the sword of the scrubbing,
• 1:49:54
  and now you're being lit by the love of God.
• 1:49:58
  You've got to love the Lord so much.
• 1:49:59
  You ever listen to the rise of the Saints, how much they love
• 1:50:03
  the Lord? Oh.
• 1:50:04
  Ecstasy to the point of. Ecstasy, they just were, were
• 1:50:06
  dying to be in God's presence. They, they, they panted.
• 1:50:11
  I thirsted if you've been touched by God's graces, St.
• 1:50:16
  Augustine said. Oh Lord, you know, I, I, I, I, I
• 1:50:20
  thirsted I just now I pan for you.
• 1:50:22
  You know this thirsting, this intense desire for God, and
• 1:50:31
  that's the highest level of purgatory to get you in in.
• 1:50:34
  If you're not there yet, you need to get ready because what
• 1:50:37
  you need to do is to be on fire with the love of God.
• 1:50:40
  You can ask for that, right? Like, Lord, give me a thirst,
• 1:50:43
  help me hunger for you. Set me on fire.
• 1:50:47
  Yeah. Yeah, that'll work.
• 1:50:50
  Well, he'll do it his own way. You know, the blows.
• 1:50:52
  That's a prayer He'll answer for sure.
• 1:50:54
  And that's what he wants. He wants us to be ready for him
• 1:50:57
  because the graces he wants to give us, you know, we totally
• 1:51:01
  miss who God is and what heaven is.
• 1:51:04
  People suddenly think of heaven as a nice golf course.
• 1:51:07
  You know, it's kind of, it's kind of pretty.
• 1:51:08
  I think it's boring, I think. Yeah, I don't want to go have
• 1:51:11
  none of my friends are going to be there the.
• 1:51:13
  Harps are playing. I don't even like the harps.
• 1:51:15
  Boring. Yeah, it's boring, and it's
• 1:51:16
  going to be kind of a green grass kind of way, but you know
• 1:51:18
  what's going to happen. So no, what you don't realize is
• 1:51:22
  who God is. In other words, as you said,
• 1:51:25
  heaven is uniting with the Lord and infinite love, infinite
• 1:51:31
  beauty. This we we often don't think of
• 1:51:37
  God as beautiful, you know. But if the virgin mother is
• 1:51:41
  beautiful, where did she get that?
• 1:51:44
  God must be excruciatingly. Beautiful beyond belief, and so
• 1:51:48
  the rich. That makes you want to go to
• 1:51:49
  masses because God is beautiful. That is beautiful and the riches
• 1:51:53
  that God has for us. But you instead of tasting the
• 1:51:59
  Eucharistic Jesus every day, if he can, instead of you praying
• 1:52:02
  and reading his word, you're you're off doing things because
• 1:52:05
  you know this God stuff. It's OK, but that sounds that's
• 1:52:12
  so you're going to need a lot of purgatory.
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  You're not thirsting for God, you're not panting for God.
• 1:52:19
  You're not filled with this intense desire to be with the
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  Lord because you really don't know who God is.
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  I got to ask you, Monsignor, Hollywood has a whole set of
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  films on exorcism, Satan, God, everything else.
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  What do you think are the biggest things that Hollywood
• 1:52:36
  gets wrong? Well, some of it actually not
• 1:52:38
  bad. I by the way, I watched that one
• 1:52:40
  movie called Oh gosh, were the guys in prisons about to be
• 1:52:46
  executed? Nefarious.
• 1:52:48
  Nefarious. Nefarious.
• 1:52:50
  But three or four actors told me, you've got to see this
• 1:52:52
  movie. And I said, OK, because most
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  Exodus hate exorcism movies. So I saw the movie and I said,
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  yeah. I said you walk out of the movie
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  feeling slimed. That's a just how an exorcism
• 1:53:05
  feels. And the, the guy who played the,
• 1:53:07
  the possessed guy did a great job of really warping back and
• 1:53:11
  forth being a a normal guy and and the the demonic manipulation
• 1:53:16
  and cunning was very good. So that's the closest thing I've
• 1:53:19
  ever seen to a real demonic personality.
• 1:53:21
  Now, there are other things which are other movies.
• 1:53:24
  I like little pieces of them. And, and there's a lot more
• 1:53:27
  truth than not in many ways. You know, for example, even a
• 1:53:30
  scary move of The Exorcist. People do projectile vomit,
• 1:53:34
  people do levitate, people do throw things across the room.
• 1:53:38
  Now, I've never seen someone's head turn a 360, although
• 1:53:40
  someone said they did, but I have never seen it.
• 1:53:42
  But there are some wild things that happened, but they do tend
• 1:53:48
  to be a little comical at times. And when they happen in real
• 1:53:52
  life, you're saying or in the. Movies, no.
• 1:53:53
  In the movies, yeah. And they do their best to to to
• 1:53:58
  depict evil, but it's it's they try.
• 1:54:04
  I'd say probably the biggest thing I don't like about the
• 1:54:06
  Hollywood movies is you, you. They almost put Satan and God on
• 1:54:11
  the same level. Like, again, a dualistic
• 1:54:13
  universe, like God is God, but so Satan's also God.
• 1:54:16
  So it's a real fight. There's no fight.
• 1:54:19
  God has crushed Satan under his foot.
• 1:54:21
  He's dust. There is a fight for the soul of
• 1:54:24
  the person, yes, but Satan himself is not that strong.
• 1:54:28
  He he, he's chained. And the scriptures tell us that
• 1:54:31
  Satan has chained. He is chained.
• 1:54:33
  So so that's why our real exorcist and the team we have
• 1:54:40
  wonderful team, wonderful people just like you have a wonderful
• 1:54:43
  team here. You guys say great Yeah, and
• 1:54:45
  they are strong in faith and they owe Jesus Lord.
• 1:54:49
  So we walk in a lot of confidence.
• 1:54:51
  We won the game 10 O and you're going to go 4 to 4 four out of
• 1:54:55
  four tonight. So relax, Jesus got this.
• 1:54:58
  So you think the the biggest issue with the Hollywood
• 1:55:01
  Exorcist films is that they give the devil too much credit and
• 1:55:04
  Jesus wins, and they don't really emphasize the part of God
• 1:55:07
  being Lord of all, God being king and Jesus being Lord of all
• 1:55:10
  creation? Yeah, I know they they don't
• 1:55:12
  quite get that and Dead be Satan doesn't get it either.
• 1:55:15
  You know, so well, they try to make it a dramatic and I
• 1:55:18
  understand that if you, if you walk into a movie saying, you
• 1:55:21
  know, there's going to be a prize fight here and it's going
• 1:55:24
  to be Muhammad Ali or Cash's play, whatever against a 2 year
• 1:55:29
  old. I mean, it, it, it's about what
• 1:55:30
  it's like. So it, it, there's no real drama
• 1:55:35
  there, you know, although the drama is in, in the, in the
• 1:55:38
  session itself. And yeah, but I've talked about
• 1:55:40
  some tough cases and and and it can tax everyone and sometimes
• 1:55:46
  it doesn't go so well, you know, Yeah, so it but so I think the
• 1:55:53
  movies with a grain of salt, what they actually don't really
• 1:55:59
  capture is is God and goodness, you know, they really.
• 1:56:03
  That's why I don't like watching them.
• 1:56:05
  Like I I've never had a stomach, much of A stomach for Exorcist
• 1:56:09
  movies because I feel like they're missing the glory, the
• 1:56:11
  goodness, the truth, the beauty. I think they have a harder time
• 1:56:14
  with that. I think it's very difficult for
• 1:56:15
  Hollywood to come up with the, the real sense of who God is.
• 1:56:19
  You know, they're probably actually better at understanding
• 1:56:21
  Satan than they are. You know, they in a sense they,
• 1:56:24
  they can at least they pick some sort of evil, whatever, but can
• 1:56:28
  they really depict God in his goodness and beauty and, and the
• 1:56:32
  angels and stuff? You know, it's very difficult.
• 1:56:35
  I think they have a hard time doing that.
• 1:56:37
  Yeah. Which I understand, yeah.
• 1:56:39
  Monsignor, what advice do you have for people in their
• 1:56:42
  spiritual battle and what's the role of angels and especially
• 1:56:46
  our guardian angels to help us, especially when let's just get
• 1:56:49
  really specific for one moment about an area of support for
• 1:56:54
  people that are maybe most of us.
• 1:56:56
  I think people experience that thought, you know, those
• 1:56:59
  negative thoughts. You know, I don't think as many
• 1:57:02
  people are experiencing like the doors, the windows blowing open
• 1:57:05
  or, you know, demons jumping on their chest.
• 1:57:07
  But I think most people do experience negative thoughts,
• 1:57:09
  temptations. Yeah, right.
• 1:57:14
  Well, first of all, life is difficult, as Scott Beck said,
• 1:57:17
  you know, and so life. Is difficult and then you die,
• 1:57:20
  right? But then you can go to heaven.
• 1:57:23
  Well, no, life is difficult and some say, oh, the demons are
• 1:57:25
  doing. I said, look at life is
• 1:57:26
  difficult, you know, and so don't presume that if you're
• 1:57:31
  suffering that you're doing something wrong, just say, OK,
• 1:57:34
  this is part of the the cross that Jesus asked me to carry.
• 1:57:38
  So first of all, OK, relax. You know, just the first thing
• 1:57:42
  we say is Jesus Lord. Number one, that's the first
• 1:57:46
  thing we say, Jesus Lord #2 we say trust in Jesus.
• 1:57:52
  Jesus Lord. He's in charge and he loves you.
• 1:57:56
  Trust in him, He's got you. And three, the third thing I say
• 1:58:01
  to people is stay in the boat. And the boat's the bark of
• 1:58:04
  Peter. Stay in Peter's boat.
• 1:58:05
  Now I'm a died New World Catholic and you learn in an
• 1:58:10
  exorcism by experience what it means to be a Catholic and how
• 1:58:15
  important that is. You got the tools.
• 1:58:19
  Somebody say, well, I don't need to be a Catholic.
• 1:58:20
  Well, you, I'm sure there are people, lots of people go to
• 1:58:22
  heaven who aren't Catholic, but you're, you're, you're priding
• 1:58:26
  yourself of some incredible tools.
• 1:58:29
  So the exodus was the other day and I, I said demons are
• 1:58:32
  manifest and I said, did she receive the Jesus and the
• 1:58:34
  Eucharist today? Tell the truth, they are holy.
• 1:58:38
  Is she a temple? The Holy Spirit?
• 1:58:40
  Has she received the Holy Spirit and their sacraments?
• 1:58:43
  They started hollering and screaming, you know, and then.
• 1:58:47
  She had gone to Mass that morning.
• 1:58:48
  Yeah, yeah. So they were there and they did.
• 1:58:50
  They did base them nuts. And then and then, then now
• 1:58:54
  they're trying to inhabit a body which is filled with the Holy
• 1:58:56
  Spirit. I mean, that's killing them.
• 1:58:58
  And then I say then we start using sacramentals.
• 1:59:01
  They come from the Church, you know, holy water, crucifixes,
• 1:59:05
  rosaries, Benedict and medals, intercession, the Saints and
• 1:59:08
  angels, all those sorts of things that the Church supplies
• 1:59:12
  us with, if you will. So you'll learn the power of
• 1:59:16
  these gifts the Lord has given to you.
• 1:59:19
  I don't need these things. I go straight to Jesus.
• 1:59:22
  Well, I want you to straight to Jesus, but take some of your
• 1:59:24
  friends with you. It might be fun.
• 1:59:25
  You know, take different Saints. Jesus wants you to have a
• 1:59:28
  necklace. Take the Rosary prayer tool.
• 1:59:32
  One of the beginning of every exorcism was the one of the
• 1:59:35
  first things you do is you read the Litany of the Saints.
• 1:59:38
  Saint Benedict, pray for us. Saint John Paul 2, pray for us.
• 1:59:41
  Saint Catherine of Siena, pray for us.
• 1:59:44
  St. Maximilian Colby, pray for us.
• 1:59:46
  Yeah. St.
• 1:59:46
  Gemma Galgani, pray for us. And the demons say, get that
• 1:59:50
  would say, Padre Pio, get that old man away from me.
• 1:59:53
  Yeah. So they, the Saints are there.
• 1:59:55
  They're your brothers and sisters in the faith helping you
• 1:59:57
  out, you know, So all these things that the church gives to
• 2:00:01
  us and stay in the boat, hear people go off the right or left.
• 2:00:08
  The church is this. The church is that?
• 2:00:10
  Yeah, The church is imperfect. It's infill people like me.
• 2:00:12
  I mean, it's in for imperfect people.
• 2:00:15
  I get it. Well, guess what, Jesus had 12
• 2:00:18
  disciples and one of them completely failed and the other
• 2:00:20
  ones kind of sort of failed, but they got got their act together,
• 2:00:23
  you know, so Jesus had 12 guys and they all weren't perfect.
• 2:00:25
  And it's kind of a mess, you know?
• 2:00:27
  So welcome to the Catholic Church.
• 2:00:29
  But what makes us a church is all these imperfect people,
• 2:00:33
  including you. We have room for one more
• 2:00:34
  imperfect person. I've.
• 2:00:36
  I've people know and watch the show and not find them perfect.
• 2:00:39
  They got room for one more imperfect person.
• 2:00:41
  They've all together and then the Holy Spirit guide, you see,
• 2:00:44
  so the church is this communion of people that the Holy Spirit
• 2:00:47
  guides. So stay on the boat.
• 2:00:50
  Stay on the boat and an exorcist.
• 2:00:53
  If you get out of the boat, you're in big trouble because
• 2:00:57
  now the demons have a a a a lost, isolated sheep and your
• 2:01:03
  prey for the wolves. Have you had to go help
• 2:01:06
  exorcists who have stepped out of the boat, or who have gotten
• 2:01:09
  involved in bad things, or lean too much on their own strength
• 2:01:11
  and neglected their prayer or their piety or their moral life?
• 2:01:15
  Well, again, that's something that's remains in the, but just
• 2:01:21
  something to say that you've got to be careful as an exorcist.
• 2:01:27
  Someone says, is it safe? Yeah, it's safe.
• 2:01:29
  It's kind of like flying airplanes or I used to be a
• 2:01:32
  parachutist by the I've got 330 parachute jumps.
• 2:01:34
  Yeah, 330 jumps. And I would say about
• 2:01:37
  parachuting, it's very safe. You know, it's very safe.
• 2:01:40
  I just don't make a mistake. So it's unkind errors.
• 2:01:44
  The the same thing with Exodus. It's very safe, but don't do
• 2:01:47
  anything really stupid 'cause they'll they'll pound you for
• 2:01:51
  it. So yeah.
• 2:01:54
  And I think that I think the, the biggest way that frankly
• 2:01:57
  that exorcist get themselves into a jam and probably priests
• 2:02:00
  in general is spiritual pride. You know, I've got special
• 2:02:05
  gifts. I know better.
• 2:02:07
  You know, it's about, it's about me and my special gifts.
• 2:02:11
  I, I said you got to be careful with that one.
• 2:02:14
  You know, Father Gabriel Moore at the famous Exodus said, I
• 2:02:18
  don't have any special gifts. I'm just, I'm just a priest with
• 2:02:20
  faculties. I say, I say to cast out demons.
• 2:02:23
  That's a better approach. Like be very careful to hold
• 2:02:26
  special gifts. Maybe, maybe.
• 2:02:30
  But more often than not, there's one guy, he's a layman and who?
• 2:02:35
  And we were involved with him. He.
• 2:02:37
  He said that he is a special gift to convert demons.
• 2:02:41
  Convert demons? Yeah.
• 2:02:42
  Which? Is theologically impossible,
• 2:02:44
  right? He and his his team been doing
• 2:02:47
  for over 10 years, were actually conversing with demons, talking
• 2:02:50
  with demons and converting them and they're being converted and
• 2:02:53
  now they're going to heaven. Is this a Catholic layman?
• 2:02:56
  Yeah, yes. And so he was told by his priest
• 2:03:00
  that this was wrong. He ignored him.
• 2:03:02
  He said no, no, I've been talking to Jesus directly and
• 2:03:05
  Jesus has given me this ministry.
• 2:03:07
  Even though the Catholic Church in its authority given to it by
• 2:03:10
  Jesus, says you cannot do. That and the and the and the
• 2:03:13
  Catholic is very clear. It's a point blank.
• 2:03:16
  They are not convertible. You can't convert them.
• 2:03:19
  So, but he said, no, no, I've got this from Jesus, you know.
• 2:03:23
  And so now, so now he's basically in league with demons
• 2:03:26
  thinking he's converting them when he's, they're playing them.
• 2:03:28
  So he is disobedient #1 he is outside the boat number 23.
• 2:03:34
  He's doing a ministry he's not supposed to be doing.
• 2:03:37
  He is personally involved with demons, Facha facha face to
• 2:03:40
  face. And so it, that's all just a
• 2:03:43
  mass of spiritual pride. And, and we've talked to him,
• 2:03:47
  other people have talked to him and said, listen, you got to
• 2:03:50
  knock it off is very spiritually bad.
• 2:03:53
  So I say stay in the boat, you know?
• 2:03:56
  You think that's a whole design of the evil 1, like the evil
• 2:04:00
  ones, Like this guy has a pride issue.
• 2:04:01
  So I'm going to just kind of make him feel special by showing
• 2:04:04
  up and looking like Jesus to him and telling him something that's
• 2:04:08
  contrary to church teaching to make him feel special.
• 2:04:11
  And then I'm going to just take him on this whole crazy rabbit
• 2:04:14
  rabbit. Question.
• 2:04:15
  As a matter of fact, I've got AI got a person recently who've
• 2:04:18
  come to me and said that that I'm a victim soul and the
• 2:04:24
  Blessed Virgin is appearing to me and I'm the only person who
• 2:04:28
  can help these damn souls. And that's why I have demons
• 2:04:31
  and, and I say the person, this person as well to all people.
• 2:04:34
  If you've got demons, you got a demonic affliction and you think
• 2:04:37
  you have special experiences where you use a special person
• 2:04:40
  and Jesus appearing to you, Probably not.
• 2:04:43
  Probably not. No.
• 2:04:44
  You're possessed, actually, and the demons are playing you.
• 2:04:47
  So that's why we tell anyone who is especially possessed.
• 2:04:50
  But you know that if you have a spiritual experience of some
• 2:04:54
  mystical experience, ignore it. It's probably demonic.
• 2:05:00
  Well, you you tell people who are possessed that, but what
• 2:05:02
  about your average Joe? Well, the average Joe, I'd say,
• 2:05:04
  OK, if if you think you've got special mystical experiences, if
• 2:05:08
  they are, first of all, they contradict the Bible or they
• 2:05:11
  contradict the teaching of the Church, definitely can it.
• 2:05:15
  If you think it might be something true, you still should
• 2:05:18
  get a spiritual director to help you, because chances are it's
• 2:05:22
  probably it's probably a ruse. I was talking with a woman named
• 2:05:25
  John Schuster who wrote a book about discernment and some of
• 2:05:29
  the principles in there is very classical, you know, in
• 2:05:31
  Christian tradition, but basically that the Lord, you
• 2:05:34
  know, the Holy Spirit, the Lord speaks to every soul
• 2:05:36
  differently. And, you know, but I, I guess
• 2:05:39
  what your point is, maybe if I'm hearing it correctly, is when it
• 2:05:41
  gets very mystical, like you're seeing this big complicated
• 2:05:44
  vision and there's this happening in that.
• 2:05:46
  That's when tread carefully is what you're saying.
• 2:05:49
  It's very out of the ordinary. The Lord speaks to all of us in
• 2:05:53
  our own way. Lord guides all of us.
• 2:05:55
  We all give the Lord. Yes, we do, absolutely.
• 2:05:58
  So, yeah, no question about it. But I'm talking right, the
• 2:06:01
  mystical experiences if you think Jesus appeared to you and
• 2:06:04
  gave. You physically could see Jesus
• 2:06:05
  or Mary. Or Mary, whatever, and they gave
• 2:06:07
  you a special ministry or they gave you a special prophecy.
• 2:06:11
  I'm now a prophet. I've got a message for the
• 2:06:13
  Church. You know, I'd say for every
• 2:06:16
  valid Marian vision, there's probably 20 which are not so.
• 2:06:22
  And in the time of Jesus, you know, when Jesus appeared on
• 2:06:25
  this earth and did his did his life for us, there were lots of
• 2:06:30
  other false messiahs. So that's one of the things that
• 2:06:32
  Satan does. He tries to throw confusing
• 2:06:35
  stuff around the Real McCoy, you know, which is why we were very
• 2:06:40
  careful about marrying apparitions.
• 2:06:42
  We only accept those the Lord the churches validated so you
• 2:06:48
  know so. It's interesting what you're
• 2:06:51
  saying, 'cause I think some, especially our Protestant
• 2:06:52
  brothers and sisters, are worried about the Marian
• 2:06:54
  apparitions because they think that could just be the demon
• 2:06:57
  presenting as an Angel of light, quite literally.
• 2:07:00
  And so, you know, there and then it makes you worship Mary.
• 2:07:02
  I mean, they have all these fears about Marian devotion and
• 2:07:04
  Marian intercession. And but it sounds like what
• 2:07:08
  you're saying is, yeah, this Satan can parade as Mary saying
• 2:07:11
  can't parade as Saints. He can't parade, as you know,
• 2:07:13
  the voice of God, Jesus Christ. Which is why you listen to the
• 2:07:16
  church. I mean, the church said OK, the
• 2:07:18
  Fatima's OK, Lords is OK, that sort of thing.
• 2:07:20
  They'll tell you. And but that there's some of
• 2:07:22
  these other ones, the church and says no, it ain't.
• 2:07:24
  And so you need to be obedient to that.
• 2:07:27
  Anything about Magicoria, do you think that's?
• 2:07:29
  Well, the churches said you can go.
• 2:07:31
  No, it didn't actually say yay or nay to the current visions
• 2:07:35
  because they're still going on, but it did approve the first
• 2:07:38
  week, so it did a. Big deal.
• 2:07:40
  Yeah, they approved the first week and they approved people
• 2:07:44
  going. I know lots of people who,
• 2:07:46
  including Father Dan Rio, by the way, who got their vocation
• 2:07:49
  there. So their fruits are very
• 2:07:50
  powerful. I've been there four times.
• 2:07:52
  Frankly, I was there in the 80s early.
• 2:07:55
  Yeah, three times, yeah. So, So I would say the fruits of
• 2:08:01
  it are very positive, but we are cautious because the church and
• 2:08:05
  won't really opine about it until it's done and and then
• 2:08:12
  they'll take a longer look at it.
• 2:08:14
  I went a decade ago and it strengthened my faith.
• 2:08:18
  I, I, it's, I would take our whole team there and it was very
• 2:08:21
  powerful. So the church recognized and
• 2:08:24
  said that in this recent decree, it said, look, people go there.
• 2:08:28
  It's a powerful spiritual experience.
• 2:08:29
  So let them go. And John Paul too said that they
• 2:08:33
  said, you know, the holiness people go to the magic gory,
• 2:08:35
  they pray, they fast, they, they go to confession and that sort
• 2:08:38
  of thing. And what do you think?
• 2:08:39
  He said if they go there to pray and fast and you know, that's
• 2:08:43
  what I have to go to Mass, I think let them go.
• 2:08:46
  What do you think about? I have some very dear Protestant
• 2:08:48
  brothers and sisters who say that they do cast out demons
• 2:08:53
  sometimes or that they are involved in spiritual mission
• 2:08:57
  work regarding, you know, exorcist style work.
• 2:09:01
  And you know, also any believer could say in the name of Jesus,
• 2:09:04
  like I rebuke that thought, right, You know, so, so where
• 2:09:07
  would you, what would you say about that and any cautionary
• 2:09:10
  words or encouraging words? And then what tools can can any
• 2:09:14
  Christian, any baptized Christian, or just any person
• 2:09:16
  who calls in the name of Jesus, can they employ and you believe
• 2:09:20
  it's. Well, this is a this is a
• 2:09:22
  debated A debated point, but here's where most of the exodus
• 2:09:26
  come down at. And yes, we can pray.
• 2:09:30
  Of course, as a mother and a wife, you have a special
• 2:09:33
  authority over your own body, your husband and your kids.
• 2:09:36
  So you have the authority to cast out demons.
• 2:09:39
  Now what we'd recommend you do is to still to pray to God and
• 2:09:43
  to pray to Mary and Jesus. And that's one thing to castle
• 2:09:45
  the demons. So what we don't recommend for
• 2:09:47
  you to do in those situations or either for any lay person is to
• 2:09:50
  go facha, facha with demons. Don't look at the demons.
• 2:09:53
  Start asking their names, saying the Leo 13th prayers and
• 2:09:56
  commanding them to leave right? Don't ask the names.
• 2:09:59
  Don't look for the Leo 13th prayers.
• 2:10:01
  And don't ask command to leave. We, we, we recommend you use
• 2:10:04
  what we call deprecatory prayers.
• 2:10:06
  You know, we, we, we, we can recommend that you ask God.
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  And on our app and website, there's a there's a long list of
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  fine prayers that people can use under deliverance Prayers for
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  the Laity now. But we don't recommend you go
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  facha facha with the demons and, and basically tell them to
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  leave. The exception would be if you've
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  got demons on you, as they say, on your chest or you're choking
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  your that sort of thing. Yeah, you wanted to tell them to
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  leave. Let me just ask a clarifying
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  question though. You're probably familiar with
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  Unbound, the the book by Neil Lozano, and I hope I'm not
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  misrepresenting his work here, but my recollection is there is
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  an element where you do specifically call out the demon
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  of like there's specific oppressions you might experience
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  and you do specifically call them out and rebuke them in the
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  name of Jesus. Absolutely.
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  It says there that you as the helper, the spiritual helper,
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  will take authority over those demons.
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  And the response of the Catholic Acts would be actually you don't
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  have authority over those demons and you don't really want to do
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  that. So we have a Catholic version.
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  We like a lot of the unbound, but we adjust that.
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  We say we can have. If you're the afflicted person,
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  we'll say I want you to take authority over those demons and
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  cast them out of yourself. And you do you do have that
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  authority and I can ask the Lord through a deprecatory prayer.
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  So we, we adjusted a little bit because there have been problems
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  with that with lay people who don't have the protection and
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  authority of the as as church knows, I have a few round of
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  rings of protection around me that you don't have.
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  And so when I stand in the room with a bunch of demons, I've got
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  a protection you don't have. So what would you recommend for
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  non you know, people that are not exorcists and not not
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  priests don't have the special bounds of bans of protection and
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  authority. What authority do they have and
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  how should they rebuke evil thoughts or.
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  All of themselves. Temptations.
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  Or yeah, all of themselves. Yes, you do have authority.
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  And I would say cast, I rebuke you.
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  I cast you out. So yeah, if I have, the demons
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  are reflecting me, OK? I certainly do so.
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  Yourself so if you're like you're being like tormented by
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  these feelings of like anxiety or thoughts of like terrible
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  things happening, you could say I rebuke the spirit anxiety in
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  the name of Jesus. Yeah, the first thing we say, we
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  call it disappropriation. This is not me.
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  This is Statons idea and I rebuke it and I cast it out of
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  me. You can do it for your kids or
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  still kids. You can do it with your husband.
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  He can do it with you because there is this authority you have
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  in the family. So you can get specific and say
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  I rebuke the spirit of anxiety. That's not fatia.
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  Fatia, as you say. Well, it is Fatia.
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  Fatia, but you have a special authority.
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  Got it, Got it. But if if your staff comes to
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  you and says, I, I want you to cast the demons out of me, we'd
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  say, here's what I recommend you do.
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  Say some deliverance prayers as a group, you know, read the
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  scriptures, pray to Mary, pray to Jesus, ask the Lord to cast
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  out the demons. Those prayers are very powerful,
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  very powerful. And and if that's not enough,
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  then then bring bring the person to the.
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  Priest and that sounds like that.
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  That's your advice to, you know, again, our evangelical brothers
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  and sisters or whomever else who say, well, we have the we have
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  the exorcism or you know, we have the deliverance ministry at
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  our church. And they would disagree with
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  that, right? They would.
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  They would lay hands on the people and command the demons to
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  leave. And all I could say would be we
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  don't recommend it now who knows I mean they'll say they'll get
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  it from the scriptures whatever. And I would say that's just my
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  perspective. You're welcome to disagree.
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  The church really hasn't has no opined on that it would you look
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  at the church's teachings in this area is very sparse.
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  So does the layperson have the authority to lay hands on the
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  person somebody else outside of their family and command the
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  demons to leave. That's what we're asking.
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  Do I as an unbound minister, if someone comes to me and says I
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  want you to lay hands on me, take authority of these demons,
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  whatever, and cast and tell them to leave, Should you do that?
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  We don't recommend it. It doesn't mean you can't pray
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  with the person. It doesn't mean you can't do
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  some deliverance. We recommend you do it with
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  using deprecatory prayers, asking the Lord rather than
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  going facha, facha with the demons.
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  Command the leave unless it's on your own body or someone in your
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  family. Got it.
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  Yeah, it just, it's a question of prudence.
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  It's not so much question of doctrine so much as pastoral
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  prudence, because there have been times when people got
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  themselves into jam. You got people were not really
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  prepared. We don't let anyone in the room
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  of an exorcism unless they're ready to be there.
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  They're seasoned Catholics. They're strong people of faith.
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  They've been around for a long time, and they've raised all
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  their kids too. So they're tough people, you
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  know, and they're ready for it. Yeah.
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  Somebody comes along and says, oh, I've got a gift, starts
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  laying hands on people, and now you face some pretty ugly
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  demons. It can get ugly.
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  Monsignor, how can people learn more about the Saint Michael's
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  Center for Spiritual Renewal? How can they find it and how can
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  people support your work? Yeah, here's what I would say is
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  that we have lots of wonderful resources for people.
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  We have a website, www.catholicexorcism.org and an
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  app called A Catholic Exorcism. And now there's a lot of videos
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  and prayers and all sorts of stuff.
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  And then we also have social media.
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  We're on YouTube, let's see, at Saint Michael Center, we have
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  Instagram, we have a 275,000 followers on on social media.
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  So a lot of videos there, that sort of thing.
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  And once a month we have an online deliverance session.
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  So sign up, it's free. It just you log into our, the
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  YouTube channel and we're going to pray over here for an hour.
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  And if you got a demonic affliction, we, we encourage you
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  to do that if you can stand it. If it's too much for you, don't
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  and or if you're looking for some healing in your life.
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  And we have about 25,000 views each month and people report
• 2:16:12
  some wonderful graces. So it's a lot of resources there
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  for healing and deliverance. Join us.
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  It's very. Beautiful.
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  How can people support you and? Well, there's a ministry.
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  Helping so many people. You can pray for us.
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  First of all, it's a, it's a powerful minister because God is
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  generous. He God is so generous healing
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  people and about it financially if you want to are we glad to
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  because we don't charge for a course for our.
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  Ministry to buy this book right? Buy the book and donate.
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  And there's a, there's a donate button like everyone, we got a
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  donate button and people are generous, you know, So on our
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  website you can see the donate button.
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  So people help us. So that's great.
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  Monsignor, thank you. Thanks for saying yes to our
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  Lord and this beautiful ministry helping so many souls.
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  Well, Lila, it's great to be with you and all the great work
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  you're all doing, and so prayers and blessings on all you do and
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  all those who follow you. Would you mind saying a prayer
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  to close this out for everybody listening?
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  Yes, let's say a prayer. I I ask that the holy angels go
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  with you all. I command any demons to leave.
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  I I bind them all and command them to leave.
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  I command any demons for mementing you.
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  I lift any curses and packs and spells, any called actions sent
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  against you or your loved ones. I let them and wash you all
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  clean, as the blood of Jesus will wash over you all.
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  May the blood of Jesus will wash over you all.
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  Cleanse you, cleanse your mind, cleanse your heart, heal any
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  traumas of the past. Bring a deep, deep sense of
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  healing and peace. And name of Jesus may be healed
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  and of Jesus may be at peace. And as you go forward, it'll
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  bust some others. Spread a mantle over you.
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  May she be your protector always.
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  May God bless you, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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  Amen. Amen.
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  Thank you, Monsignor. You're welcome, Lila.
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• 2:18:09
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