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• speaker-2: Good evening everyone and welcome to another edition of Guardians the Republic with me as always is Tony Hughes in Alabama. How are you tonight, Tony? speaker-0: I'm great, Jonathan. Good to see you. speaker-2: also with us is Charles Barfield down in Orlando area. How are you Charles? speaker-1: Doing well, Jonathan, Tony. Nice to be with you again. speaker-0: Good to see you, Charles. speaker-2: I'm Jonathan Cole and I'm live from beautiful downtown Blakely, So. speaker-0: Where is Blakely, anyway? speaker-2: Uh, it's just, yeah, and cut her and left him. Actually, it's kind of, uh, it's kind of cool. A little town that's got a courthouse and a town square kind of looks a little like, uh, from, uh, back to the future. Yeah, it's a small town, but it's kind of cool. So. speaker-0: Good question. Really? wow. You know, I have to say that my little courthouse square in Andalusia is absolutely delightful. The actual courthouse is right there. There's like a big square which works as a roundabout. And there's about six roads that come into it that connect. So it's almost like trying to go around the Arch of Triumph in Paris. Had to figure out which exits. I'm still messing up, but yeah, it's kind of cool. speaker-2: Who was that? Pasquale Perez that spent two hours on the I-185 trying to get to Fulton County Stadium that time. speaker-0: I don't doubt that at all. That's very, very, very, very, very possible. speaker-2: his first game as a brave and he never made it. speaker-1: I did. speaker-2: That was a lot of cutting there. speaker-0: Yeah speaker-2: And as always Tony, what is our main theme? speaker-0: we've got several. Obviously, economically, the with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz what that is just that just an absolute disaster that is turning into for us economically. Some inflation data came out today and for the first time in about three years wages did not keep up with the rate of inflation. We're up to our CPI is up to 3.8 % reminding everyone that the Federal Reserve target rate is 2%. So it's almost double what the target rate for inflation is. The good news is that unemployment is still pretty manageable at 4.3%. So that's not a bad, I mean, Typically speaking, anything under 5 % is considered unemployment in a full employment economy. So that's not really that bad, but people just crushed with gas prices and grocery prices. One that was of interesting though was on imported goods, because the tariffs had come of imported goods. Lot of the prices on imported goods are actually going down. So we're actually almost seeing, not quite seeing deflation, but no price change month month in imported goods, thanks to the removal of the tariffs. So that's actually a little bit of good news that whatever increase you're seeing due to fuel is being offset by the lowering of prices to account for the lack of tariffs. that's the little of, you know, that one gold, silver lining in the dark clouds otherwise. speaker-2: I was checked any time that Trump signaled. speaker-0: You know, I hate to break it to you, John, I just don't think the check's coming in, speaker-2: the speaker-0: Yeah. Hey, hey, Seth was in front of appropriations committees in the House and Senate today to justify the $1.4 trip, $1.5 trillion proposed defense budget, which is about a 40s, I think % increase if I'm not mistaken. so, but interesting in that number is that there is zero zero raises DoD civilian employees. They're going to give some, they're going to get some 4 % bonuses. If you're a super high performer based upon whatever subjective material is out there, but for the. speaker-2: I that's speaker-1: saying that can't be that can't be the total projected but just 1.5 trillion I ⁓ speaker-0: For the more. No, that's just that's the DO that's the DO that's the proposed DOD budget for this coming fiscal year. At one one one right at 1.5 trillion. There's one is basically one trillion this year and and there will be some supplemental that will come along. You know it it hasn't come out yet. It has been kicked around at 250 billion. They did today that the cost the war with Iran has increased from 25 billion to 29 billion, but. The but Hickseth and their. ⁓ controller were kind of hedged on that a little bit because just not sure if that includes the damage that was done to our bases in the Middle East. And ⁓ we're not how we're gonna repair them, if we're gonna put them back like they were or do something different. that's all kind still sort of murky, but we have some pretty damages to some of our facilities. in those ⁓ Gulf countries. So that that's not really been reconciled on the government in budget yet. So. speaker-2: First demand is telling. speaker-0: Well, they say what they say and again, that was what and that they were in front of the appropriations committee. So they testified to the House Armed Services and Senate Armed Services about two weeks ago. Today they were in front of the appropriations committee. So the committees, the Armed Services committees approve a budget, but just because it's been approved doesn't mean the money has actually been appropriated. That goes to the appropriators. speaker-2: So go. speaker-0: So these are the ones that actually carry the checkbook. I listened to about 80 % of it. And course there's a lot of partisanship going on, a lot of ass kicking and ass licking you know, every time they ask Hec set the question, he would dodge it by saying, well, Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon. That's all that matters. We don't really, it shouldn't matter what the defense budget is because Iran won't get a nuclear weapon. and I'm not gonna get in front of President Trump, whatever President Trump wants to do is perfectly fine with me. It was a lot of that bullshit that they went through today in the committee testimony. it was essentially, and this is probably unfair, but this was the distinct impression I got to listening to this. It was give us $1.4 trillion and just trust us. We'll spend it like we need to. So. speaker-1: It was just. speaker-0: Yeah, for real. And then just kind of skipping across the tops of the waves. course, Pete Hicks says his morning is opening another investigation on Senator Mark Kelly because he alleges that Mark Kelly, when was on Face the Nation Sunday, develops classified information about our stockpiles of weapons. The only bad news is, and because said that in some cases it may take years for us to replace the weapons at the current rate of production that we have, especially some of the more sophisticated weapons that we shot off. that supposedly was highly classified information. The only bad news is I was actually listening to the Senate Armed Services Committee testimony when Hicks said this, and Kelly asked him that specific question. How long will it take to... ⁓ for industrial base to manufacture enough weapons to replace the ones that have been shot off. And Heg says, started rambling and Kelly said, months. And then Heg well, yeah, that is a very, very good question. Yes, it probably take months. And then Kelly said, years. And yes, yes, So he said years that it will take. They said that we're trying to get the industrial base to new factories and to increase their production rates. But Hexess said in testimony on video that we have shot so many weapons in the conflict, this excursion, these love taps, whatever Trump's calling them right now, that it's going to take in some cases years to replace some of these stockpiles. and well speaker-2: Well, you know. speaker-0: Oh, that's just speaker-1: Tony Johnson, I said the exact same thing several weeks ago when we was talking about the very issue that child has been depleted. It's going to take years to replenish those things. was saying that because that's just a common sense intellectual view of things when we realize how many bombs and how much the song cost billions of dollars. I think not just on a basis. Iran has done a lot more damage than our media is telling us. They're suppressing a lot of information and you really got to go to the foreign agency to get the real news because our media is so intimidated and afraid of Trump and his regime that they're not even, they're scared to report or do their basic job in journalism. So not all that, but we got a lot of so-called allies are not us. ⁓ aggressive war in Iran and they're not letting, our military use their airspace, the base. That's why I think that Trump didn't make a new tap, on Iran because he didn't have the facilities in cooperation with other nations to allow them to use their airspace. So I think that, you we have been as bold as, military in a sense We've got depleted officers that's gone. It's going to take a long time to get that back. what will happen? I asked this question a few weeks ago. What will happen if we have a really legitimate military situation and we're out here wasting money, resources, and even life on the limb of our soldiers with a foolish war in our ring with no clear objectives, no clear goals? No articulable justification why we went there, why we were staying there, why we were there after the 30 days, 60 days rather, that inspired April 30th. So no one really has a clue and we losing credibility with our allies. It's a losing situation all around. speaker-0: Yeah, one thing I thought was interesting. You know, they started the, you know, we've officially ended Operation Epic Fury because, you know, we can't go back. We can't get authorization from Congress. So we have to call a ceasefire so we can start a new operation. And I knew this will be a new a new excursion, I guess. But they did the Operation Freedom, which they were going to escort the they were going to escort the tankers to the straight. And apparently, they escorted two or three. ⁓ United States flag cargo ships through with our Navy. And then it was abruptly canceled. And course, that's when he came to find out that, you know, Trump had failed to notify Saudi Arabia. They had failed to notify Oman or Qatar or forgot who, one other ally in the Middle East they forgot that we were using ⁓ their bases And it pissed them off and they said, well, you can't use our base. Well, supposedly got that all squared away. They got that, they got that resolved. And then Trump said, well, I'm pausing it. So it does interfere with the negotiations with Iran. And that was two weeks ago. Now I have a theory and it's just a theory. My theory is it's too dangerous for us still for us to run Navy ships. And oil tankers through the straight with Iran still sitting there with the military capability that they have. heard general came today and I forget now he was talking to the House of the Senate Appropriations Committee, but they were they were talking about, you know, what have how have we degraded Iran's military? and I and I really didn't think too much of Kane. Honestly, when he was first hired, I know him. ⁓ I know some people that do know him and I've had, and it's been 50-50. guys who worked with him in special operations thought he was wonderful. Some other guys that worked with him in special thought he was a political hack. So, but my own personal judgment, I think he's done a pretty good job. I sure hell would not want... We're not, we're not want the job working for Donald Trump as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. As let's just say, that's an impossible job to have. But I felt like he's been kind of, he's been walking the line pretty well so far, not jumping into the politics stuff, just saying, look, our mission is to achieve military objectives and those military objectives are established for us by civilian leadership. So it's not, it's not for me to say whether we've won the war or lost the war. My job is to say to the president, here's how we can accomplish the military objectives you would like for us to accomplish. But he confessed, and I thought he was honest, that Iran still has military capability around the Strait of Hormuz. Now, it might just be a few speedboats, but it still represents a military capability that Iran still has. And my thought was, I mean, Trump is always trying to be the bully on the street. Why would he give a rat's ass what Iran thought about us escorting our Navy, ships through international waters in the Strait of Hormuz? I know Iran has claimed it, but screw that. You know, who they think they are? It's an international body of water. I just think that we're not doing it because it's too freaking dangerous. I think the second reason is it freaking expensive. You think about the air cover you have to have. We've already, I mean, we're talking about spending weapons, but the airplanes when they're flying. Stuff breaks, stuff has to be maintained, engines have to be pulled, replaced. Flying hours are very, very expensive. All of these air tanks, these tankers that we're flying, these KC-135s, they're built in 1960. 1960, they're 66 years old. Now they've been refurbished like crazy, they're still old, they still break. So I would imagine that the maintenance has just been The work that they've had to do, the maintainers have had to do to keep airplanes flying and fly cover as many airplanes are necessary along with all the refueling that it takes. That's that's ⁓ hundreds of of dollars every day. If you don't even fire one bullet, it's hundreds of millions of dollars every day just to keep those airplanes and those ships. ⁓ out there escorting these tankers. I think ⁓ one is the fact that it's dangerous. And the one thing that Trump cannot afford to do politically right now is to have a big loss of life. God something does slip through and they one of our destroyers. God forbid something slip through and they shoot down helicopters or they shoot down a a C-47 transport carrying 40 troops and goes underwater, everybody dies. forbid that. But you talk about people pissed off right now with Trump, you ain't seen nothing yet. we start, I mean, it's sad that we've lost 14 lives, but it's nothing like if we lost 140 lives. And ⁓ think that's just, I think that's got Trump spooked right now. And I think that's why we're not taking any military action, even though Iran this. They're using this. ⁓ speaker-2: Okay. speaker-1: Well, Tony, like I said before, no matter what kind of equipment or all where we have militarily, you don't know that terrain like the Iran soldiers and that live with it, work with them every day. And that's the issue. The logistic becomes a real situation when you in the threat of imminent life, limb and death. Right. And so that's a practical aspect of it. But the other goes back to what I saying previously that our media is not reporting the real deal. ⁓ I already did a significant amount of damage to our military bases and our equipment with those drones. And basically you have administration that deception fraud is the norm and it's normal and regular. You can't trust whatever they were saying without no objective verification. And I think that the generals has been telling him what not to do this, but he's doing his own thing. And that's what's happening now. Because I think it doesn't take a rocket science to realize if he felt like we can go over there and bully and do it like we did Venezuela, he would have been pulled a trigger and told them to do that. he. As ridiculous as he is, he knows, like you said, Tony, in the mass numbers. It's a bad thing in America when we have large fatalities, you see? And I think that's what I brought out. What I do, I believe he needs to cut bait and get our soldiers out of there and just take and spin like he normally do with his lying machinery. Because long way over there is just going to be bad. It's going to be bad for the American public, with the gas crisis and all this kind of stuff. It's just a bad situation. It needs to be resolved quickly. ⁓ speaker-2: In addition to that, let me give you a spelling lesson. C-H-I-N-A. That's what he's so worried about. because they're watching. watching. Yeah, right now. What do they see? But a weak person who backs off at the slightest little provocation. And that's not something the are used to an American president ever. speaker-1: Hey, Jonathan, I grew it to you because you know too that I think they did a big store on 60 minutes some months ago. I rarely watch 60 minutes now, but I just happened to saw that a while back about how it takes us so many years to build a Navy fleet or, know, and then China can do like, like a lot of, you you know, like a few weeks or a month. It was amazing. And this is the long-term problem. China is watching all of this, not just China, but legitimate rogue nations are realizing that, we can do a lot more stuff to America because they're more limited than we thought. The big, ⁓ you big, galahd America is not the galahd that we thought they were. That's what's happening the longer we stay in this foolish war. In my field. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Well, know, part of the issue we have is, I mean, we do have some amazing weaponry. just the capabilities are just really beyond belief. really science fiction stuff that the capabilities of our weapons. But the problem is that they are very, very expensive. then, ⁓ we a bunch of them and industry makes them. ⁓ And we put them in inventory and we take them out and test them from time to time. actually, mean, the 53rd wing at Eglin, the operational test wing for the Air Force at least. And actually go pull munitions ⁓ from fleet, if you will. And they'll fire them off on the reins there at Eglin just to make sure they're still working like they're supposed to even though as they get old. Problem is though, that the company that makes them, well, they want to make more. They want to sell more. But while might be five years or six years since we did the last run of that particular missile, well, the whole time the company's been thinking about, well, you we can improve it this way. We can improve it that way. We can do something else to it. Tinker here, tinker there. So then when the military calls up and says, hey, we need to buy some more of these missiles, they say, have got a deal for you? Now, the new model of the missile will do X, Y, and Z that the old model wouldn't do. Air Force says, that's wonderful, let's do that. The problem is now, have to redo, they have to re-bid it with these additional requirements to it. Then the requirements have to be, that to be developmentally tested at the 96 Wing, Texas Wing at Eglin. And then once it passes all that testing, Then it goes over to the 53rd wing for operational testing. Okay, now we know that that missile will fall, that the new model will still fall off the airplane like it's supposed to. It will penetrate however many layers of concrete like it's supposed to. Now it goes to the 53rd wing and they operationally test it to say, okay, well now, if we're flying at, you know, 5G's and F-15EX and we're inverted when we fire this missile, will it still go hit whatever? So. All this operational and developmental testing takes time and money. you have to have it because when you press that little pickle button and ⁓ weapon flies off the wing, I mean, you see how well it works. And that's because we have tested it so extensively. So it takes time, it's slow, it's expensive. But when we shoot one off, boy howdy, that thing works. Now, how do we speed that part of it up? Or do we just say, we don't want the brand new model, we want the old model. then the British says, well, we threw all the old model designs away. So you gotta take the new model. I mean, this is part of the problem that we have in defense acquisition. Because let's face it, defense is big business. It's big, big, it's a trillion dollars in the economy. ⁓ speaker-2: When comes to physical hardware though, I mean, in a pinch, we've got hundreds of ships and mothball all over the country. We've got thousands of earth balls out in desert. It can be brushed off and put back to use. Is it frontline? speaker-0: The int No, no, David's not the no, no. All right. So there may be a handful of those airplanes that can be brought back into service. Those things have had the engine stripped out. They've been they've been sanitized. They've been sealed up. They are in a dry environment. They're really there for spare parts. is what they're really there for. Now they have pulled some old F-16s off. Know what they use them for? Target drones. not putting humans in them. mean, these airframes had already reached the end of their useful life when they got sent to the boneyard. That's a common myth, but there's no way Jose Those airplanes are going into combat. There's just no way Jose. ⁓ speaker-2: Well, yeah, we're going to need all airplanes we can get. So we're not going to be able to build on fast enough. speaker-0: Look, going into a contested environment, here's the thing. It's just like, now, I'm not a fan of the F-15EX. I thought that was a total waste of money. Let's put our money in stealth. Let's put more money in the F-35s, F-22s. Now, they say, well, the F-15 carries a bigger payload. can carry more missiles. And that part is true. And the concept is the F-35 goes in and pokes the eyes out of the and control of whoever it is we're fighting against. And then once the air defenses are defeated, then the F-15EX can in and can its truckload of missiles and start really shit up. Now, and that's all well and good, except we're talking about China now. Long way away. ⁓ huge distances, of air refueling. have fingers way out in the Pacific as well. I personally, and we're gonna, we're just not gonna send a non-stealthy airplane downtown into or we rush it now because Russia's been so depleted thanks to Ukraine. But we're not going up China. with F15EXs. speaker-2: it's the concept that they can push out reserve components here and replace them because if nutrition can't take the toll when you're actually fighting the power, mean, Iran, no, mean, but, know, we forget in a shooting war with China that doesn't go nuclear, which is probably not likely anyway, but, know, got be ready to man up with numbers, not just technology. You know the Germans had a jet in World War II and it didn't earn them the darn thing, you know, so speaker-0: Well, you know, mean, the thing with the Air Force, and that's obviously something I've been very deeply involved with as a civil leader from the Air Force the last 20 something years. You know, our nation did a tremendous disservice to the Air Force because, part it, about 30 % of this is the Air Force's own fault. Because when Congress would go to the Air Force and say, all right, We can't buy any new airplanes. What can you do? And the air force said, give us some more bubble gum and bailing wire and we'll keep these airplanes flying. And that's the KC 135. The B-52 for God's sake built in the 1950s. The 1950s. And they are projecting the B-52 is going to carry us into the 2050s. We're going to have kids flying airframes. that were originally manufactured 100 years ago. That is part of the national strategy right now. speaker-2: I heard this in a a budget meeting years back, but they said the final crew to five, be 52 hasn't been born yet. speaker-0: That's true. That's true. speaker-2: But I mean it works it works is the cutting edge technology no, but it carries a heck of a lot of bombs along speaker-0: Here's of bomb, here's a lot of cruise missiles. ⁓ has, but yeah, but China's pushing that standoff. We talked two weeks ago about the Spratly Islands, how they've gone and ⁓ these shoals and made islands out of them and put military installations on them. Well, they've got air defensive weaponry on there, radars on there now. That has extended the reach and made it harder for us to penetrate into Chinese airspace without being seen. speaker-2: Stand up. speaker-0: And, and, and the one thing, and I haven't seen the details that they were, they were very kind of iffy, you know, with the details. say this. I see the need for us to have a standing army any longer. I mean, I just, I'm probably get all the army people really after my ass tonight, but when are we going to invade another country with, with ground troops? We're going to invade China. We're going to send. We're going to send troopships across the Pacific Ocean to a beach, make a Normandy like landing on, you know, in, you know, China. speaker-1: I think we are, the United is really, I think fundamentally antiquated approach to warfare in the era. The modern era of all cyber It's a cyber deal that putting things in your computers, destabilizing weaponry, including nuclear weaponry with all kind of technology. that China doing and really ahead of us because we're going around the world as United States bulletin and putting out just just intervene in things that we should be intervening in. And China is just just, you know, doing a lot of things with the military, doing smart, ⁓ things, diversifying economy while we're gerrymandering, doing all this division and racist stuff in America. of countries are passing us by and we losing our allies. just, isolation has never progressed any nation. And fact we ⁓ allowing a of population to control and dictate the progression of America is just, it's it's just insane that are allowing this with passivity. But I would like to talk about couple of things I think are very important. not necessarily a gerrymandered per se, but what is happening, it a, strong movement, particularly in the black and African-American community. And I agree 100%. And that is we're, we'll approach it as gerrymandered, ⁓ situation as the new Crow, 2.0. And the response of that and it is room, is that. there's going to start a book hiding and with the DI athletes to say, no, African-American athlete, you're not going to the SEC. Now I'm a graduate of Europe and Florida and I went to Florida State before that. But that's what's happening. The baby use and bargain and negotiate economic power. It is the only way. that the black community is basically saying, I agree with 1000 % because it's like, you can't want black athletes and black, take away black folks from representation. And then you want black athletes to go up there and play athletics, sports and things of that nature. So with the DEI thing, now you can make money anywhere in the country. And so there's gonna be a political mobilization of the athletes say, you know what, you don't go to Alabama, you don't go to your explore, you don't go to Missouri, you don't go here. You go out West, you go here where people are going to support your right to vote and be represented. And that is that that's a, that's that's a slow wildfire that's moving. And I don't think that many people going to see how thick this is going to be. But moving. It's moving real rapidly. And it's very intriguing to me. And I think it will be very interesting. So I'm watching and paying attention to this very, very closely. know, Jonathan, you are a sports, a very heavy guy in the sports analysis. So like to your take on that. speaker-2: Well, you're you're absolutely right. And it kind of goes back to probably reintroduced reintroducing the same tactics that African Americans had to use in the fifties and sixties to be heard and get civil rights was peaceful marches. But, you sit ins a little bit. Well, was the hippie. Sorry. But you know what I'm saying? And they were fought every step of the way, but they still persevered. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: When Martin Luther King's March on DC, JFK was asked if he was going to go speak and he said, no, I don't want to steal the thunder from them, but it has my support. I'm watching, but he made a point that we forget about sometimes. He called that March a redress of grievances, which is discussed in the Constitution. And it's literally when you have no other avenue to have your voice heard. That's what you do. You know, so this is would you're It would be a very effective tool because of every D.I. five star athlete walked off the University of Alabama campus for the start of the season and they went 0 and 12. I think Alabama might redistrict their maps because you don't mess with the football team. speaker-1: Well, is Florida and it's all it's it's easy. Charles. speaker-0: no idea what the athletes themselves would actually say or do to that. But I will say that just ⁓ on strict economics, it probably won't work. And here's why. So it's and supply. So there's a finite supply of really good football players in the nation at any given year. So let's say, I mean, we've already seen ⁓ I mean, we've already seen the SEC deteriorate from a talent standpoint just because the Big Ten paid more money. There's got schools that they were lots of money. You know, they, they cherry pick. I mean, look at Indiana. I mean, they, they, they did a fantastic job of cherry picking, uh, certain, but, I'm talking about like Michigan, Ohio State, some of those, some of those teams. So there's already a good supply of good players up in the North. And so you've got, you're, you're John Doe cornerback, cornerback or quarterback, come down to high school. You're the, you're the, you're the five star, five star recruit and you're and you live maybe you live in You live in Florida, live in Tennessee. I think Tennessee is the worst one. Honestly, that's how they redistricted Memphis is ridiculous. I mean, lived in Memphis and I think that's just absurd. nonetheless, so, so, so you say, well, I'm, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to play. I'm not going to consider any schools. here's a group. Here's a hundred of us. Here's 200 athletes from the South, not even going to consider schools in the South. We're only going to go out West or up North. Here's a problem though. They're already with talent. They're already paying their money to those teams. So it's just, it's the law of supply and demand. If all of a sudden the demand stays the same and the supply increases, what happens to the price, Price goes down, right? ⁓ but if the demand stays the same in the South, but the supply goes down, speaker-2: Except speaker-0: Price goes up. So now you've got some young kid coming right out of high school, right out of the inner city. And his choices are I can go to University of Florida and make a million dollars a year or I go to Ohio State and make $100,000 because five star cornerbacks at Ohio State are down a dozen now because they've been overrun by good players. So I think that's going to I mean, I think that at the end of the day, kids are gonna make decisions based on their families, not so much their state. But that's just my personal opinion. That's just looking at it in the cold hard facts of economics. speaker-2: The thing is, that's old school thinking. not the modern reality of college football. It took me a long time to get used to, but it's not about recruiting. It's about the transfer quarter. speaker-1: Thanks. speaker-0: Same difference, same difference. If you got a group of kids that have red lines, know, certain stuff. speaker-2: No, no, what Charles is saying is the top stars on the team can hit that transfer portal and there are any number of colleges in this country that would gladly pay to take them away from these schools. speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: if you're Ohio State and you've already got a top star. ⁓ speaker-2: Ohio State mentioned in Indiana how did Indiana become Indiana because they started spending money there's how many division one. speaker-0: But they didn't spin we'll see how well Indiana continues, know, ⁓ this, if this is becoming a dynasty, Allah, Nick Saban, I don't know, maybe it will. speaker-2: I this point a while back when the 1984 Florida Gators there were roster of 120 something there were two transfers that's because ⁓ you transferred you could get disapproved but also if you were allowed to transfer you had to sit out a full year you could play speaker-0: We kick, we kick. But, but me answer this though, Charles. speaker-2: in the portal. ⁓ speaker-0: Why are you picking on college athletes? What about professional athletes? What about players that play for the Braves or the Devil Rays or the Dolphins or the Tampa Bay? No, no, they say, they say, oh, I got drafted. I got drafted. speaker-2: there's only 12 African Americans playing Major League Baseball. You see a black person playing Major League Baseball. Their last name is Hispanic. And they're from an island in the Caribbean. speaker-1: You speaker-0: Okay. you saying black people can't play baseball? speaker-2: No, it's just that there's a lot of reasons they're just not doing it anymore. speaker-0: But there's basketball. How about the NBA teams? What about the NFL? What I'm saying is that why pick on the college athletes? Why don't the professionals say, I'm not signing. with the Tennessee Titans. I'm not signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm not going to sign with the Miami Dolphins. If I get drafted by them, I'm not, I'm going to sit out a year and get drafted by somebody else. mean, where, that's where the really big money is. And if somebody wants to really make a statement, let's the professional athlete step up. speaker-1: As far as the NBA, the way they do their collective bargaining agreements, there really truly is a partnership. In fact, for many years, players took a greater portion of corporate pie. And only now that it's almost even, I'm talking about in the last several years, but for a good 15 years, the players pretty much ran in leagues. speaker-0: E speaker-1: for his NBA wife. So that is kind of taking care of for itself. speaker-0: No, no, no, not based on your theory. Based on your theory, we're not going to go play in the South until the South does something to change the selection laws. So my question is, why will a professional black athlete agree to play for any team in the South, be it basketball, football, baseball? as long as if they're going to protest, going to stand, arms and stand with our race and say change has to happen. We're going to take the major talent away from the Dolphins, away from Tampa Bay, away from Atlanta, away from Charlotte, away from the Saints, away from the Cowboys. We're going take all that talent away. and we'll go play somewhere else and we'll just sit out. let's, mean, that's where... mean, Jonathan and I college football, but let's face it, the NFL is huge. It's like 10 times the size of college. speaker-2: It doesn't work that way because it's true. speaker-0: They can't force somebody to go play somewhere. If you get drafted by the you don't have to sign with the Saints. speaker-2: Yeah, but you can't go play anywhere else because the Saints have rights to your country. College we were talking about you can go play somewhere else the NFL and there's always been this ⁓ speaker-0: What I'm saying, uh uh, I'm going to throw the bullshit flag on both of y'all. NFL players make way more money than the typical college NIL player. speaker-2: We're talking about the drafts though. speaker-0: And we're a lot of the players have to even agree to trades. speaker-1: We're talking about the plans have certain rules and regulations that abide by contract. They can't transfer and do all that stuff. in the college where college is now, you have the transfer portal that gives you the freedom and liberty to go where you want to go. And the man will say can go. ⁓ speaker-0: You think that's more strategic I'm gonna gladly ever say it ain't gonna work. speaker-1: And I guarantee you, guarantee you, the elite college players will dominate the entire, it's a ripple effect. ⁓ is, in my view, this is why Nick Saban is not coaching right because he can't control the porter. He's ⁓ the one anti- speaker-0: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Alabama. I've heard it out. I've heard it out of Nick Saban's mouth. The reason he's not coaching anymore is because the players only care about the money. don't care about the team anymore. They only care about the money. They only care about themselves. And that is not the kind of football that Nick Saban coached. That's not the kind of football that Bear Bryant coached. Nick Saban doesn't care about the money. speaker-1: Really? speaker-0: exact point is why your theory will fail because at the end of the day the players are in it for themselves. They don't give a shit about their team. They just want to know how much money they're to make and what kind of car they're going to buy. And I know it's nice to think, well, they're going to be altruistic and say, well, we're going to band together with the black community in this state and you're going to go somewhere else. And I'm going to tell you if the difference is, you know, a year between what the University of Florida is going to play versus what the University of Wisconsin is going to play or what the University of Washington is going to play. If that kid's from Florida, I guarantee they're gonna want to play him from Florida because they want the money. They're 18 years old, Charles. They've never seen money like that before. What is it gonna do for their family? That 800,000, $2 million a year? I Ryan Williams, mean, supposedly Ryan Williams making like $2 million a year playing for Alabama and he had a shitty year last year. He's from Sierra Land, for Christ's sake. So, I... And him to go, why he at Alabama this year? Probably because he's got a four year contract at Alabama and nobody touch his contract with a 10 foot pole based on the shittier he had last year. And I'm saying that as an Alabama fan. I I understand what you're I just think that economically it just won't work. will. speaker-1: is happening, it's happen, it's gonna be way more powerful than people think and it's gonna be faster, it's gonna accelerate way faster. Watch what I'm telling you, it's gonna shake up all of college sports because that's the most effective way. Ultimately, it may get to the professional level but there are contractual rules that make that harder to do but in any negotiation, Tony, you always use your strongest to your weakest tools of negotiation. college ⁓ the strongest and the most effective way to attention to change. Muhammad Ali did it, okay? It's been in the 50s 60s. It has always been, the blueprint has already been established, but the problem is that people have forgotten what type of sacrifice and how every right has to be refoked and rewarded. speaker-0: Charles, let me get you a little. speaker-1: Nothing is, nothing is, it's forever. know, racism is built on racism. is built on racism. It'll do a few little, few years of hide and seek and then it'll come back and show that forever sin of discriminatory racism. is, it is who we really are. That's country is about. speaker-0: Let me give you a little bit silence. Let me get a word in here. So, one, I I'd be a fool if I said that race has not had a place, has not had a part to play in politics in the entire country. Now I personally think the South has had a little bit more of a bum rap because I haven't seen any state in the union where there's not racism. I've seen it in Boston. I saw it in the public school systems in Boston. They were some of the most racist, white dominant schools, they were so elite, they were so holier than thou, and we were just a bunch of rednecks in Alabama and Mississippi. Everybody looked down on us. But let me tell you, it was just as effective, it was just as terrible. in New York and Boston and New England ⁓ Wisconsin and in California than it was in the South. So let me just, let me just kind of lay that out there. Let me give you a little insight on how white people think. now you're obviously You've come up, you've been black all your life, right? And you see differently. ⁓ speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: then I see them. I've been white all my life. Now I wasn't born on third base. can assure you that. I came from a very poor, not blue color, probably a redneck blue color family. I had to work my way through college. I worked hard. I was successful, but it wasn't because I was white. A lot of white people... don't think about things, honestly, in terms of race. We don't think about, well, I'm white, you're black, so therefore I'm better than you are. Now, there's racist white people, there are some racist black people, there are some racist Jewish people, there are some racist Hispanic people. been racism since the beginning of humanity, and there will be racism until the end of humanity. mean, that's just because I think that's just how human beings are. But people don't look at everything in terms of race first. I do think that because of the struggles that black, the black community has had, that a lot of black people look at things in terms of race first. And I've got some great friends in the military. I've great friends that were senior NCOs. got friends that black friends that to be in general officers and went very high in the military. They all had their struggles. And they all tended to look, there's a guy right now who I love like a brother and we're great friends. I'm not gonna call his name, obviously, but he retired as a colonel. And one reason why he retired this past year is just because Trump is president. And saw of his good friends get white friends who mentored him get fired as because of Donald Trump and Pete Hesketh. And he said, I'm done, I'm out. But he and I had some great conversations about race. And I do understand. Have I lived it? Of course not. And I can only be empathetic to a point because I can imagine what you've been through. I haven't personally been through it. I just want to say that white people tend to not look at everything in terms of race first. Jonathan, you're white. Do you agree with that or disagree? Do you look at things in terms of race first? Or is it like down the road somewhere? I mean, mean, my, my experience, yes, I've been, I've been at the fast food counter and I've had the black clerk call the black people who are behind me. When they opened up a new register, they call the black people to go in on them first. I have been now that's about the worst racism I've had to experience. It's nothing compared to what black people in general have experienced, but there's some of that there. Now I said all that to say this, you're going to piss off. If becomes public that these black athletes went somewhere else and not sign at Alabama, did not sign at Florida, did not sign at Mississippi, did not sign at Georgia, did not sign at LSU, and they went somewhere else, they went Syracuse, they went to of Wisconsin, they went to University of Washington because they did not want to be in the South. And now my team is less good because of that. That just endears me to my team more. Because now, y'all have made it a race thing. It wasn't a race thing. College football was not a race thing for us. Y'all made it, the black community made it a race thing. That's gonna piss white people off. the white people, they're not gonna leave their team. Look, Alabama went on, after we won the national championship in 1991 with Gene Stallings, we went on probation. Almost got the death penalty two, three years later after that. And we went through a period of 10 years where we literally sucked. It took us a cost of scholarships, cost of TV time. I mean, we sucked. We could barely even put a team on the field. And the players that did play for Alabama went there because they loved Alabama. And we loved them back and Alabama didn't lose fans. If anything, Alabama gained fans because we were like, hey, we're up against it now. the typical white college football fans gonna say, if that black guy don't want to play for our team, well, we're glad he's not playing for us on our team because he didn't have the love for the university and it's hard to begin with and they're gonna be fine with it. Now, we may have... ⁓ speaker-1: fan lately. speaker-0: I am not going split both ends. am just saying it. that's not true. That is not true. That is not true. speaker-1: people gonna support their teams. But at end of the day is about winning and winning. That was speaker-0: You may have. Alabama picked up a bunch of fans with Saban just because we were winning and people liked how we were winning. But we recognize them as being bandwagon fans. They jumped on because everybody loves a winner. But the true fan are the ones that can stick with your team when times look at Auburn fans. I mean, I don't like Auburn because they're Auburn, but I got a hand in their fans. Auburn has been through some tough times the field. They've been through some terrible coaches. They're always trying to be Alabama. But I've got to give credit to Auburn fans. They still fill that damn stadium up. They still turn on the TV. still buy products that the advertisers are there, even their team has not been good for over a now. it's not just in college football, it's not just about winning. There's a visceral attachment to these teams and it all goes back to, and maybe I'm just old generation, but it all goes back to in Alabama, hey, there wasn't nothing but the University of Alabama. We didn't have any pro teams. were 49th or 50th in everything in the country except in college football. And by God, we kicked everybody's ass when Bear Bryant was our coach. And the tradition that's ⁓ important a lot of college football teams. And it doesn't matter. If anything, the coach an excuse, this is why we're not good, is because we're not getting good players. Do y'all think it's going to make people change their habits at the voting booth? Not, not a single one. I you about a single white person changes their vote to the voting booth just because their college football team has suffered now. speaker-1: college college sports is about winning and money You can ⁓ put all academic garbage on it. All they want is about winning period ⁓ speaker-0: It's about more than that, Charles. It's about more than that. speaker-1: No one is going to long terms before losing. You know, Lane Kippen was saying that's one of reasons why he left Ole Miss and went to LSU because the recruiting was a problem. He couldn't get the five star athletes that he wanted. Even though Ole Miss was a decent, really good program, was a game-winter way for a championship, but he knew, he knew from an economic standpoint, he had a high probability of getting better athletes and have better chances. speaker-0: You do not want to leave. I know you're a lawyer and you shouldn't ask questions on the answer to you. Do not want to use lame Kemp as your poster boy for that argument. ⁓ speaker-1: No, no, the point I'm making was is that just how coaches can transfer. I have a problem when the players want to transfer. I think it's capitalism one on one. I'm very through the players in terms of being able to leave a situation they don't want, you know, and we can put all the adjectives and you've been lonely, but it's all about it's all about capitalism. That's pure capitalism. You go where value. speaker-0: everyone sees it speaker-1: And your work is ass. speaker-2: football is business nowadays. It is. It's not what it used to do. It's not speaker-1: of Microsoft Business. speaker-0: the point, Jonathan, is that we're not going to stop pulling for our team just because our team is not winning. And they'll still win. They may not be. I mean, if the SEC just becomes completely mediocre, like the Sunbelt Conference is, and you know, we'll still beat up on each other. Somebody will still have a winning record. We'll still put 100,000 people in Legion Field. There'll still be 100,000 people in Jordan Harris Stadium. There'll still be 120,000 people up in Neyland Stadium. There'll still be 100,000 people in the swamp. There'll still be 100,000 people in Death Valley in Baton Rouge, still going to show up to pull for their team. It's more than just winning. ⁓ speaker-2: It's not just well, not just winning, but tickets don't generate the money in college football television contracts generate the money marketing generate merchandise tickets are third distant. ⁓ like, I'm just saying. speaker-0: you make it about race and pisses white people off because now y'all have made it about race. speaker-1: No, y'all, speaker-0: It's racist white politicians that started it. speaker-1: and the lack of responding said we're going to use our will say no. speaker-0: All right. We're not going there. I understand that that's your perspective from that. I said, I told you this on, you know, when we were texting the other day and I still believe it. I've thought about it a lot more. The timing is bad, but, and I'm going to be gentle. I'm going to try to be gentle how I asked this question, but how long do you think black people are entitled to something? that is kind of created out of nothing. mean, at what point... You know, I was in the banking business and you're probably familiar with the SBA 8A program, which is the minority set aside. There's actually a special program within the small business administration for minority owned businesses that they get that there's these as government contracts are issued. There's always a set aside portion of that contract for a minority owned subcontractor. And the idea is that, you know, we basically that the black community, these black contractors, mostly black, sometimes women, but most of them minority, they're African American, that they're guaranteed to get this contract and what they bid is almost irrelevant. It's the 8A program. But it'll last for a certain period of time. I think it's 10 years. speaker-2: You're talking about the A day. It's been going on way longer than that. speaker-0: No, but that's how long you're allowed to be in the program. speaker-2: And a lot of them in project management and military contracts. My contractors were a contract. speaker-0: And I banked several of them. And think, generally speaking, and I hate to say this, but year 11, year 12, year 11 was not good, year 12 was even worse, and year 13, they usually went out of business because they did not prepare for life without the crutch. So, ⁓ At some point in time, and I've said this, I've said this, you know, I think when we've talked amongst ourselves, at the end of the day, whether they're white or black, have got to run good candidates. They ⁓ run crazy AOC type candidates in the South. It's not going to work. If you expect to get any votes, if you expect any Republicans to cross over, you expect independents to cross over. If all trans rights, gay rights, and I'm against trans, I'm not against gay, I'm just saying that there's gotta be, how much the price of freaking gas today? What's the price of groceries? If politicians on the Democrat side would ⁓ address what typical person, white or black, in the South needs, That's where they would get votes from. mean, that's how, hell, that's how Trump won. That's what Trump has touched into. Trump into the anger that common people had about politicians that don't listen to him. And then ⁓ convinced them, know, he lied, but he convinced them they're... speaker-2: fooled them twice. speaker-0: He fooled them twice for them to think, well, he really cares about me. He didn't give a shit about you. is that they would just run decent candidates. There should be no guarantee. I'm sorry, Charles, but I do believe there should be no guarantee that a specific representative has got to be black to be in the US Congress or in the State House of Representatives. speaker-2: At the time is There should be no power. yes, that's ⁓ Let's look at Shelby County again, where had a contiguous compact district that was majority black and voted for a very good representative who's been in that seat since 2007. Well, now the Republicans snake three different districts and split everything and now. ⁓ speaker-1: It's not how it works. speaker-0: Absolutely! I've looked at the- speaker-2: They can't hope to win speaker-0: You know, the Alabama map actually makes more sense geographically than the one that was existing before that they had created to guarantee two black representatives. I mean, at the end of the day. And I'm going tell you, I will say this about Trump. I really don't believe. speaker-2: next one. speaker-0: Trump is a narcissist. He's not a racist. thinks he's superior to everybody. He's superior to white people, black people, Hispanic people. He's superior to everybody. He's not specific to race. speaker-1: in the lowest degree. he's all that. He's big, he's a racist, he's all that. speaker-0: But he had speaker-2: in his apartment back in the 1970s. speaker-0: hates white Democrats just as much as he hates black Democrats. do not believe, I I am a Trump fan, you know that, but I really do not believe that Trump sees any difference between a black Democrat or a white Democrat. He hates them both just the same. I mean, I think he hates Chuck Schumer just as much as he does, oh gosh, the Senator from Georgia. I was on the airplane with you the day. What happened to Sam? speaker-1: He's not taking away anything from any white people, Democrat, liberal, conservative, whatever, but everything, every policy he's doing is narrowly and specifically targeted to black people. That is a big... The job that he's trying to eliminate, he's doing by executive order is really illegal, but it's all targeting black people. balls. speaker-2: I speaker-0: Trump. admit the timing is bad, but I'm telling you, this is nothing more in Trump's world than trying to stay in power and not get himself impeached. That's not what ⁓ was doing. Anything possible to keep the house. speaker-1: the ⁓ speaker-2: That is one of Because he's empowering darker forces in our country and it's no coincidence that all this is in the old South ⁓ segregation ⁓ Here are again because every example I've seen speaker-0: I'm not saying I'm in favor of it, I'm just saying. That's bullshit, that's bullshit, you know The Voter Rights Act was passed in what, 1964, right? Everybody involved with the, everybody involved. speaker-2: Doesn't matter, they're descendants. speaker-0: There's a completely fair to that the white generation and the black generation is the exactly same today. There is a was a people that were 64 years old in 1964 born in 1900. Well, I was saying that we're born in 1964 today. speaker-2: You're saying that We're publicans now. Definitely. I know white people that feel the same way. They just couldn't get away with saying it like they did before the Civil Rights Act. just for an example, speaker-0: I don't know who you're hanging out with Jonathan, don't know anybody like that. speaker-2: I mean, no, I've always had my eyes open. Charles will test a lot. Just, just an example. Uh, go look on Wikipedia. The Southern manifesto 1956. was all these Southerners. No, let me talk. Oh, I'll wake up. No, don't Wikipedia. speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: 70 years ago, Jonathan. speaker-2: And click on each person who signed that manifesto. Their family tree. as you go down, you'll see all of them became Democrats and now they're all Republicans. Sure. Families think alike. I think like my grandparents thought. know, speaker-0: Alright, I'm losing, hold on. mother and were Democrats and and what happened to the Democrat party was Ronald Reagan. ⁓ when they started running and Mike Dukakis. speaker-2: Yeah, I'll forget that. than 60. speaker-0: and Al Gore. mean, this is what happened to the Democrat Party. I was and observing the sweep ⁓ as and Georgia and Florida and Mississippi went from being a Southern Democrat, conservative, as they would call the Yellow Dog Democrats, until they said, we don't identify with Ted Kennedy. You know, we don't identify with David Muskie. Huh? speaker-2: Yes. It started way before that. speaker-0: No, didn't. were. Jonathan. Did you grow up in Mobile, Alabama? You I mean, you were at least in Florida. I know you're in the Redneck Riviera sort of, but you know, nothing like what it was in Mobile, speaker-2: I-I-I-I- in the South. I'm also a student of history. It started in 1948 with this, most the southern states voted for Strom Thurmond. Why? Because Harry S. Truman... ⁓ What him? speaker-0: George Wallace? You never heard of George Wallace? Well, he was a Democrat until he couldn't win the Democrat party and then he became speaker-2: And his son is still alive and he's a Republican right now. speaker-0: Everybody that was a Democrat back then has turned into a Republican. speaker-2: person you didn't let me finish this has been an ongoing evolution 1964 used to be a say in the solid South South wouldn't vote for Republicans because they didn't want to be associated with the party of Lincoln 1964 they had most of them voted for. ⁓ speaker-0: Well that was really because of reconstruction. we're going to be accurate historically, we've got to talk about reconstruction and how the Republican Party screwed the South in reconstruction. speaker-2: They didn't spare the South because they ended reconstruction because they voted the way they wanted in the election of eighteen eighty. They sold their soul but in nineteen sixty eight Nixon and his team came up with the southern strategy which was we're going to appeal to all of these disaffected segregationist and that is in writing and has been in a play ever since then since. ⁓ You know that work is 68 of the world wallace ran as an independent but from seventy two until now there's only been two democratic presidents. That carried the solid cell and that was carter seventy six ninety two and since then the solid south has been the public. speaker-0: Because the candidates that were running for president identified more with the... All right. you think Obama from Illinois had anything at all in common with the typical blue collar worker in Alabama? I would say no. But that hit already... Because the Democrats went pro-abortion. speaker-2: Why did you squirt that? speaker-0: Let's start to, you gotta see again, y'all are talking about just race. I'm telling you, there's some things besides race. The policies of the Democratic party is what the culture of the- speaker-2: You know, I've given my indictment on the Democratic party, but. It's still there's a reason majority of African Americans are still Democrats. really? ⁓ speaker-0: I don't really understand that. But why is that? okay, they... Let's talk about Memphis. Let's talk about Memphis for a second, because I lived in Memphis. I I lived, I mean, my city bordered Memphis. was a bedroom community in Memphis. So does Memphis continue? mean, Memphis, South East of Memphis is terrible. It's terrible. speaker-2: Cause at the end of the day speaker-0: Why do they keep electing the same? Why do they keep electing blacks to those reppers? Why do they? I mean, why do they keep electing blacks Democrats? speaker-2: More than the majority of the population. speaker-0: But look how they live. Look at the conditions of the city. Look at the crime. speaker-2: What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? speaker-0: maybe try to elect some politicians that will help clean stuff up. I don't know. Not everywhere is like that. ⁓ speaker-1: Well, we want to go there, the majority of the crimes are statistically done by white people, but the projection for the media is racial. You speaker-2: that's not the main. That's had representation based on a district that was pretty solid. was, you know, it was contiguous. It was centralized. speaker-0: disagree. don't disagree. And I how ⁓ I think how they have. And I think how they have gerrymandered Memphis is a travesty. I agree with. speaker-2: Suspended just franchise black. Right. It's not a privacy, but I have this franchise black voters, which was the crux of the voting rights. speaker-0: No, everybody still has the same vote. They're just in a different district. speaker-2: No, that's not how it works. speaker-0: not voting? Who lost the right to ⁓ speaker-2: No, they created three Republican now. Now a black candidate. ⁓ speaker-0: legal. Which is legal. mean, the Supreme Court has already said. He's in charge. speaker-2: Well, you know, of s*** is illegal, but it's... Well, yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: nonetheless, they have said we're not going get in the middle of a political process because guess what? Just like, ⁓ just Hungary, you know, that, that guy cheated 12 ways a Sunday, just like Trump's doing. And he got, he got shellacked. You know, if people get fed up with it, it is a political process. It's a political process and the majority is within these districts does get them that. is how people get elected. It's ⁓ how it is. It's just how. speaker-2: There we go. Well, just how it is this goes back to you reap what you sow while we're doing is guarantee and Trump two more years speaker-0: already said it's gonna backfire. I've already said it's gonna backfire. speaker-2: He's going to now have a free reign for the next two years, you know, to do it. speaker-0: I wouldn't be surprised. speaker-2: hundreds illegitimate judicial appointees and probably at least two more spring forecasted. When we worse than the ones we have, he's going to continue to degrade our world, reviewed in the world. The economy is tanking and can possibly get worse. There are no, there's nothing good behind this. well, it's legal, you know, there's a lot of things illegal. speaker-0: I bet y'all won the predacy. I bet y'all won the predacy in 10 years. ⁓ speaker-2: But I mean, you know, it's, but I can see. speaker-0: If you run a decent Canada, if you got to run a decent Canada. speaker-2: But I mean, well, we have run these candidates and, know. Come on. speaker-0: win and she did not win one primary vote. She didn't win one primary vote before the election. speaker-1: Tony a person with a person with a dead brain rock can be better than Donald Trump For several million people to vote for this guy. I mean, there's nothing a Republican tell me about who a Democrat need to... Donald Trump in the president. speaker-2: Let me simplify this. Yes, so if Kamala Harris were president right now, would we be in this mess? We're in the worldwide. we be paying $4 and gas? So, know, don't tell me she wasn't qualified candidate. speaker-0: I'm telling you, at the election, America actually had a choice speaker-2: Let me ask you a question. Is Kamala Harris the worst person in Donald Trump? speaker-0: I didn't vote for you the one of them. already know that. I'm just saying I why Trump, I'm trying to say I understand why Trump won because there was no option. Kamala did not represent an option for many, many people. And sometimes, what's the saying? It was in my brain. You know, sometimes it's... speaker-2: No, no, I- No, should be. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. speaker-0: It should have been. I agree. That's proof of how bad she was as a candidate. speaker-1: Kavala Harris is the worst of That's opinion but not based on reality Tony Thomas Harris was speaker-0: 70 something million people had that same opinion. Exactly. speaker-1: And I wonder why that old race speaker-0: I wrote it Vicki Haley's name. was the lawyer. I understand why she got beat. speaker-1: soon. She was, she was the attorney general, was a senator, was, I mean, she wasn't. speaker-0: She was the great she was already she wasn't speaker-1: was ready. I he did. We saw him. speaker-0: Charles Charles you're my point for me. Yeah, you're making my point for me. Kamala was bad Trump won anyway. That's I'm trying to say. ⁓ speaker-1: Because a legalized, built on slavery, racism, discrimination, were not for a person of a certain color. That's a built in factor there. Let me ask that. Let me ask that. speaker-2: country is not mature enough yet to vote for a woman. speaker-1: Correct, correct. But let me ask you question, because a lot of people say it about Obama. What Obama? speaker-0: We've all been married. Hey, we've all been married to one at one point. speaker-1: bro, he bro in. speaker-0: Sometimes more than one, like in my case. speaker-1: President Mount of non-voters, he expanded the electorate. right now you have millions of people that's qualified to vote that don't vote because they checked out because they feel like the system just corrupt anyway. So they don't vote. That's I was vulnerable to saying president because he's not voting for new voters to vote. speaker-0: First All right, let me get a hypothetical here. If have a third term and Obama ran against Trump, who'd win? Obama. Obama, hands down. By ⁓ gazillion votes. speaker-2: Obama Well, that polling was out during 2000 election. If Bill Clinton had want run of Al Gore, he'd like the floor with Bush. ⁓ I we. ⁓ speaker-0: So we're unanimous in that opinion, we're unanimous in that opinion, which confirms my hypothesis, Democrats just got to run a good candidate. Run a good candidate. speaker-2: But let's the last elections kind of aberration because of Biden's choice in backing out the timing was terrible. speaker-0: No, saw we all saw the chance we saw the debate ⁓ speaker-2: that. This isn't back out. he was still. he made He should have never run. speaker-0: The people around him should have not let him run for reelection. Democrats had had a primary. If he backed out, Democrats had had a real primary, elected a real and gave that person, no they didn't. ⁓ speaker-2: There are a lot of people that are. They didn't. speaker-0: sorry, I hear you. If they had a primary, elected a real candidate, and given that personal chance to build that momentum, they would have cleaned up at the election. speaker-2: Well, let's let's look at a different so in thousand twenty eight would you vote for Newsom or Kelly? speaker-0: I'd vote for Kelly. Newsom is still just too polished. too slick. He's too slick. He's too slick a politician. ⁓ speaker-2: I said the thing about Bill Clinton, he was probably one of the best presidents after Reagan. speaker-0: Hmm. mean, hey, hey, last time we had a budget surplus, but Congress had something to do with that too. speaker-2: Well, not so much. mean, they were part of it. But the thing is, here we are again. You had a president that knew how to work with the Congress that wasn't just this. This current person who just takes pot shots and sits on the toilet. speaker-0: Yeah, I agree with that. I don't agree all Mark Hillings but I'd vote for him. speaker-2: It's in a big sense work with the republican congress speaker-0: vote for Kentucky's governor. What's his name? Kentucky's good. He's a Democrat governor of a Republican state. speaker-2: I know. Yeah, I can't thank you. speaker-1: Thank you. speaker-2: Well, well, and Shapiro, I think is a highly good vice presidential candidate this time. I would be all over a Mark Kelly Shapiro. Yep. There's not, you you compare that to Vance and Rubio and sold their soul to the devil. I wouldn't trust them any further than I can throw a person decent business. speaker-0: I think Yep. Yeah, I agree. speaker-2: But it's, there we had no choice with what happened 2 years ago because of the timing. I this is like, and I hear it all that. ⁓ speaker-0: And all this shit we're in right now is y'all's fault too. This is the damn Democrats fault right now. speaker-2: But Kamala ascended through through the bylaws of the Democratic Party. ⁓ was all legal. speaker-0: You gotta remember. It was a... Y'all miscalculated. Y'all made a miscalculation. speaker-2: ⁓ no, it was Terry. yeah. speaker-0: Biden cost you the election. At the end the day, Biden cost you the election. speaker-2: That's Trump's ass for you. speaker-0: I know, but, he should have, he's, when he was three years in, he should have said, I'm not running again. Cause you know, he said, you know, when he ran against Trump, he said, I want to be the bridge to the future. And then he decided he wanted to be the future. he speaker-2: when you guys. I'm at numbers. problem with polling the polling was showing that he was still the overwhelming favorite of them. speaker-0: Yeah, until the debate. speaker-2: that's all that debate and I mean it and how many debates that we've seen through the years were one little thing you know screwed things up I mean you gotta remember Carter was a point ahead of Reagan before the what what's what it was that he said what how's the last four years been for you you know and then it flipped our day with this little sissy giggle and he was the frontrunner he's out you got you got speaker-0: Are you better off? speaker-2: It was a vice presidential, but you know, what's his name getting spilled by Venson? speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. Dan Quayle. Yeah. I knew John Kennedy. You're not John Kennedy. speaker-1: day. speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, well, and let's be honest, the debates was what tipped everything in Kennedy's favor in 60 because you got to remember he was having to overcome being a Catholic candidate in the country. wasn't ready for, unfortunately he's running against techniques. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: y'all look at your text from Greg? thing I like to ask y'all to change here a little bit was that all these presidential parties that Trump is, it's almost like a pay to play, so to speak. All these people have very criminal, vile, vicious records. But they give them like millions of dollars and they say, know, they got to pardon. So, I mean, I don't, I there was a couple of senators that looking into this now, but that right is kind of expressively constitutional. somewhat unqualified. I think it needs to be real addressed because. speaker-0: Yep. And the Supreme Court said that it's not criminal if it's in his official duties as president, which Garrett Grandin put. So the only option is impeachment. speaker-1: It's it's I need to address that because you can allow very sleazy people doing some very mean, nasty criminal act that again, a free pass just buying, buying, buying the way out. And it's just, it's like justice for sale. You know what mean? It's just real, real disheartening. speaker-0: Well, Charles, well, here's a challenge then for you, If these districts are now 60 % Republican, white, 40 % Democrat, black, and if on election day Republicans only turn out 50 % on midterms and blacks turn out 80%, guess what? Democrats win. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: always work that way. speaker-0: Yeah, it does. It's math at that point. % of is 32. 80 % of 40 is 32 and 50 % of 60 is 30. 32 is bigger than 30. speaker-2: it for 40 years. Matt Gates would never have won all the terms he did. speaker-0: Well, it's math, though. It's math. It's math, right? Well, I said you got to turn out 80 % of your vote. speaker-2: Well, here's the thing too, is ⁓ speaker-0: You know, getting one of the 50 % of the midterms out of white people. speaker-2: I think of the DCCC and they they they coordinate all these congressional races they haven't donated a dime to a district one race for Democrat in since Earl Hutto. And reason they think that you can't win it. We're not going to waste our money. So now money that went to winter election in Memphis is not going to to Memphis anymore because there's no way that like those elections can be won. So. And the only way you get people turned out is money. I don't mean pay it on, but you've got to you've got to be active. You've got to be out campaigning with the people you got to be encouraged in them to go out. And no matter what it takes money. It's not ethical or legal thing. It just takes money ⁓ you know, it's the that's you know, like, like I said, it's the DCC is very discreet with where they put their money. It makes sense, but you know, I won't tell you those three districts are going to be read. I promise. speaker-1: Let me, me, let you tricked or something. I Jonathan, this is mine. Let me give you some revelation, y'all some revelation what I think about. I think about this stuff. Let me you, most people are thinking, well, why, why, why are GOP doing all this? Jared man is just trying to get a seat here. This state, four seats here, five seats in this state. whatever, whatever. And I started thinking like, what is really the goal behind that? What's the big picture? And this is my theory and my is, it all goes together with the ballroom You don't build a multi-billion dollar ballroom if you plan on leaving the presidency. So that's the anchoring thing, though. So I'm why are they doing all these few seats here and there? And this is the depth of it. I what they really want to do is get enough of ⁓ seats so they get ⁓ a two-thirds majority change the to implement all that Project 25, PURE-E, what they were trying to do, as well as allow Trump to run that third time with the ballroom. All that goes together because he's not playing on weekdays, okay? He's not putting beings, dolls in that ballroom to leak for the next president, right? He's just not gonna, he's not thinking that way. speaker-0: He's not speaker-1: Why are they really trying to do that? I wholeheartedly believe that they want to a win, get a trickle off all these districts to get a majority amount, to get a two-thirds majority. And ultimately, they know that it's unconstitutional, even for this crazy school, right? But the Constitution can always be changed with a two-thirds amendment. And the first thing I'm do is say the president can have third terms. speaker-0: That's 33 states, though, Charles. can't get 33 states. Even with all that, they're still more than 17 states. speaker-1: They I'm not saying they're gonna do it, Tony, but that's what they're trying to do. speaker-2: Very, very closely. Florida has been the Petri dish for Trump because the Sanis is doing it did a lot of the things Trump's doing now. You're a fool and got away. And I've always said that the Sanis is more dangerous because he's intelligent. Trump isn't the Sanis presidency. Yeah, we're we're out. We're out the door. But You know, like, and I said this from firsthand experience was when the Santa's redistricted the map, then he did it after the legislature had already. Fixed a district and I'm talking about 4 years ago about this year. Like, he, you know, it's so like, well, I'm going to change this. Al also was not in a gerrymander district. He was in a district centered on Tallahassee, Florida. And even in the world around Tallahassee, there's a large African American population, Quincy, Greensboro, Havana, all of that. But to slice Tallahassee into three pieces and put Al's portion with all of the rednecks, know, on I-10 with Boniface, Chipley, know, the Funiac plus Panama City, you know, there was no way out. And Al was a damn fine person, a little politician, but he didn't deserve what he got. But the Santa said, yes, I did that because we're not a woke state. and the only 2 districts he changed it affected 2 black Congress persons. And now ⁓ new map, I'm ⁓ ⁓ speaker-0: But he turned them from Democrat and Republican though, right? speaker-2: but it just keeps happening in districts where it just happened to have black representatives. But now ⁓ new map. speaker-0: There were no other, but no, there were no other Democrat that had white Democrats. They got changed Republican with the redistricting map. It was only those two black ones. speaker-2: We're all down south except now it's happening. Now. Here's my thing speaker-0: Okay, so my point is there were some that were not all black districts that they've changed. There were some white districts that got changed as well. speaker-2: This fixie changed in Florida were back black represented. He didn't touch the ones down south. speaker-0: Okay. There were no other Democrat counties or no other Democrat districts that got changed. Just the two Black people in Tallahassee. Okay. speaker-2: Just those two because he claimed they were when they weren't if you look back they were a lot like Shelby countin. You know continuous concentric you now they're they look like you know in the gerrymander thing you know there was a political cartoon in the seventeen nineties about snake that's what you get because that's what they thought about mass to well now this year. He is going after it well not quite but he's going after to Jewish congress. persons now, baby wasm and Schultz and muscle. It's. They're Democrats, but. Did you do this? You know they've got money. They've got influence. It's gonna be interesting. I don't think those two or the their communities are going to take this without a fight. But it's just interesting and it goes back to. speaker-0: Democrat. The party is the one that's kind of throwing the Jews out of the bless right now. speaker-2: Well, I'm I'm I hate well, I hate to tell you Charles, but the Democratic Party of Florida is a most dysfunctional stupid party I've ever dealt with. ⁓ I've been I have been behind the curtain. Trust It is run by people in tie dye shirts who still think they're in a VW bus at Woodstock smoking pot. Now, literally, did research out of the 67 counties in Florida. You know, the average age of the head of the party in each county was it was at higher than sixty seven. In fact, and the state, they started the entire growth of My generation, Jen, Jen X. I mean, there are still boomers running every. And you know, ⁓ I so, so in Florida, what we've got is they've seen this plus the privilege of, know, like, it's kind of like this little. speaker-0: Like speaker-2: garden party like, well, you can come play the cheap can. seen that so many times where legitimate candidates don't get, but ⁓ perfect example, this woman I can never remember last name, it's like the natives. They ran against Rick Scott two years ago was a one term failure Congresswoman, but she, you might know this name. crap. ⁓ speaker-1: I think of a name, but I know who you're talking about. speaker-2: Lisa not Lisa pairing in Walton County. can't there anyway she she her a favor so she became the preemptive Senate candidate Democrats. Or that. ⁓ speaker-0: Debbie Marker, Powell, Powell. speaker-2: Yeah, her. she only got that knob because of something that this woman odor. speaker-0: Well can't pronounce her name for one thing. speaker-2: Well, I know, but when I say it... They cut off the cut off all funding to anybody that was trying to run against her primaries. They did the same things to two years earlier without them. He's now a light valve, but they were calling her the presumptive nominee when there were still five people in the primaries. You know, it's you can't decide this stuff ahead of time. It's the same. If Debbie Wasserman Schultz rings the bell. She might be the one person the most responsible for Donald Trump because she was head of the DNC and. Ernie the Bernie campaign and a lot of Democrats stay home in November because of that. You know. Yeah, that's the problem in Florida. speaker-1: I know where we're at. speaker-0: You can't run AOC, can't run Bernie, can't run Mondami. mean, are niche politicians. They're not going to appeal. ⁓ fit their district, but they're not going to fit the United States of America. ⁓ speaker-2: They're not like speaker-1: This is why I disagree with that, Tony, because all of these so-called safe Democrats, they keep losing. You have to run, even if you lose, your strongest principles to build a populist consistency within the new aggregate. If you're trying to attract younger voters, right? Because People need to know where you sting. And when you have the, you know, 67 age, you know, running things is a generation divide, right? And so therefore all of those so-called safe candidates that, people like Tony and even Democrats would say, they need to run because I could care. I, I, I'm a godly person. I vote for what I think biblically, can for, but the, the, but the thing, what really saying is that you, you to have a true identity of what you stand for. The biggest problem that the deal had is that in my view, and this is one way we, we agree, Tony, my problem with them is that no matter what they say is, is all about. the alternative lifestyle stuff. that's it to me. speaker-0: to me. Again, that's a big issue. speaker-1: That's what it all was and number two thing is the Zionist thing did I'm against both of those so anybody they run for has to design is well thinking. I'm not with that. So It's fundamental things that they They bother to have them, you know where they can't Younger generation relate to them because they don't know they stand on speaker-0: Well, speaker-1: You know what the rights stand for, whether you disagree or not. You at know what they stand for. You don't know what the Democrats stand for. And the worst thing they need to do let the Republican tell them who to run. speaker-2: Well, but I see a trend this year to go to your point Tony, you know, wanting candidates to vote for, but. No, all these special elections, there's a very qualified candidate to have won a little Democrats. The lady who won that is Trump's state representative, the of my life from one and said, like, Donald Trump is just one of my however many hundred thousand. ⁓ But then you like, David, running governor in Florida, he was a former Republic. Rather presented in Texas, he was the pastor and it is. speaker-0: Well, yeah, guys. But the Democrat party has got... He's not going to be, I he'll, he'll, think he'll win the Senate in Texas. I don't think he's, he's not ready to be president though. I y'all run y'all run. Y'all got some good governors, Pritzker and in Illinois, think it's all right. Andy Beshear in Kentucky. Newsome, you know, I mean, speaker-2: the speaker-0: California's got some pluses and some minuses. mean, he's, he's done some great things in I know. I mean, and he's done some good stuff, the fires, the Los Angeles fires are bad he's, and he's got to figure out a way to unhook the train from himself. And, there's one other great governor. Who's the other, who's the other great governor I'm thinking about the Democrats have besides Bashir, the guy in speaker-2: North largest economy in the world. speaker-0: Yes Shapiro. I mean are four guys. I mean Mark Kelly. So Mark Kelly knew some Shapiro Pritzker. speaker-2: parent. Right now that's pretty much the presumptive field. speaker-0: I think any one of those guys could be a president and I think could beat JD Vance and or Mark. speaker-2: I hear that and I'm just afraid, get, I'm not saying you, but Republicans get in the voting booth and that knee jerk happens and like, I just can't vote for a Democrat and they're going to vote for Vance. speaker-1: And that's exactly what I saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because that's exactly what's going to happen. Now, don't do that. speaker-0: Look, here's you beat dance. speaker-1: This is the **** that them get hooked with like that. They get hooked with every tongue. speaker-0: And you get, you get, you get Josh Shapiro out there to say, if you vote for JD Vance, you're getting four more years of Donald Trump. You get four more years. speaker-2: I've seen it too many times. I made the point before. ⁓ speaker-0: Just like Kamala got sumped by Joe Biden's record. Kamala got kind of sumped by Joe Biden's record. And that's what will sink JD Vance. Because Trump has got a 36 % approval rating right now, which means it's two to one against him right now. speaker-2: Go on. Less than a year before 20 2004 Bush had a 30 something percent approval rating, but he somehow got it up to 50.156 John Kerry who was not a bad candidate speaker-0: Which I run against him. Thank you. speaker-2: no that you can't listen all that bullshit that whole guy was paid to stir that stuff. speaker-0: That was the guys were there. I'm Say it didn't affect the election. speaker-1: Collection they got a guy said that he was paid for that but I mean the guy was got I mean care was a standout military guy got a lot of milked it real good that served in in the military so but you know so but yeah if you serve I'm you know, I'm gonna give you all speaker-0: All you gotta have, you gotta have a decent candidate. speaker-1: You phone truck, if you get speaker-0: Canada and speaker-2: I mean, I have seen that these candidates did not work. happened in Florida because I helped with their campaign. ⁓ speaker-0: I Marco Rubio, I think Marco Rubio, he's in the legislature. speaker-2: I'm gonna go back a few years. Alex Saint was a very good... speaker-0: I actually voted for Alice. speaker-2: financial services she had a stellar record in the banking industry yep she was a good person running against the person who committed for all speaker-0: I actually voted for that. That's the first Democrat I've ever voted for. speaker-2: I know way too many Republicans that kept still saying, well, I can't vote for Democrat. Ames there. mean, I mean, that convinced me that that jerk reaction that that has been in in inbred into and it and it Democrats to an extent Democrats to stay home. speaker-1: You're a fag. speaker-0: Look, look, we're going to have, look, and the Democrat Party today, the Democrat Party today, you got about 60 % MAGA, 40%, 35 to 40 % non-MAGA. All right, the non-MAGA people are not going to vote for JD Vance. If JD Vance runs on a platform of four more years of Donald Trump, which he's going to have to, because he's going be campaigning while he is still vice president, while Trump is still president. So Vance has no choice but to run on four more years of Donald Trump. I'm talking about 2028, Because I'm talking about this next election. speaker-2: going back to 2008 when speaker-0: JD Vance runs on four more years of Donald Trump and the 40 % of non-maga Republicans who are fed up with Donald Trump, plus the Democrats, plus the 80 % of independents that are fed up with Donald Trump, you run a decent candidate like Andy Beshear, like JD Pritzker, like Josh Shapiro, like Mark Kelly, who'd probably get my vote today. ⁓ They'll clean the floor with him. And they'll take the House Representatives with them. speaker-2: You've got You gotta remember that Fox News isn't gonna allow that to happen. You're gonna get nothing but all the bad stuff and the sound bites and the doctor trying to disprep. But you gotta remember. speaker-0: But think how easy it's going to be for CNN and MSN downright against Trump and ABC and CBS. All the stuff that y'all think is bad, Trump's going to be out there bragging about. It's not even a secret. speaker-2: Yeah. And the things too, and I mean, elections come in so many. ⁓ speaker-0: That's what I'm talking about. speaker-2: Just for an example, please. speaker-1: He's at that, Tony. He's good at that. speaker-2: When he sixteen every Democrat. He voted for Jill Stein in those swing states had voted for Hillary. didn't See Democrats aren't knee-jerk. I have to vote for the Democrat. We tend to see the stay home or vote for the third party. I voted for. Ralph Baker back in 2000 you know. speaker-0: Yep. and just get beat then. speaker-2: Yeah, but I mean, it's well, but I'm going to go back to this point and this will close the night out because, we shot the ball. But what's name of this show? speaker-0: Guardians of the Republic. speaker-2: Democrats don't win at least one house in this upcoming midterms I can't attest to where the Republic's gonna be in two years three years You know Because he's already had two years to really screw things up Yeah, you know the the Republican Party is not gonna stand up to it You know speaker-0: So let's see who wins the Senate. Let's see who wins. mean, you got to say though, thank God for the Senate right now, because were it not for some pushback in the Senate, we'd already have the SAFE Act or Save America, whatever the voter, which is voter suppression, true voter suppression there. speaker-2: I don't know, definitely. But I mean, uh. speaker-0: But the Senate, and Trump has threatened the Senate within an inch of their life. And thank God, some of them are standing firm and not passing that piece of crap legislation. know, hey, strip out the citizenship piece and just go to voter ID. Because that's how you advertise it. speaker-2: But what happens if maintain both majorities? What's Donald Trump want to say? It's not the 30 seats game through gerrymandering. It's like, everybody loves me. I can do anything I ⁓ ⁓ more than nothing Republican leadership more than Trump will mandate because they still know he can get them elected out. speaker-1: I think you got a mandate. speaker-0: ⁓ shit, he's already thinks like that. speaker-2: Yeah, so it's just. He was called. It's a mad man mad man well yeah. speaker-1: I would do it. John, I think you're bullseye correct in that assessment and I'm not trying to say the house is on fire, it's burning. We need to stop it now. I don't know. I truly don't believe if the Dems don't win, I don't know. We got a country and more. He definitely is going to change everything in Scotland. He's basically letting him do what he wants to do. So we will move from a a democritory, an official dictatorship. If he wins, it's it for the Republic in my view. It's it. This is like, this is it for a one shot. speaker-0: Yeah, got got to survive. We got to survive three more years. Well, we go on or he'll eventually die. I mean, everybody. speaker-2: least one house there would be some checks and balances in place whether you want them to have it or not you got to recognize Somebody's got put the brakes on this fool speaker-0: Well, the good news is that there's, mean, let's face it. The real reason, the real reason why Trump is like he is, is because Congress is so dysfunctional. If we had a Congress that actually talked to each other, actually compromised about stuff, as the framers of the Constitution intended it to be to begin with, we actually had a functional Congress, Trump couldn't get away with any of shit he's doing right now. We got to let, I mean, we blame Trump, but we really need even with a two or three vote majority in the House of Representatives. You know, that's, really the House and Congress hasn't accomplished anything. They've done nothing. ⁓ the House, but the House stuff passes with the very thinnest majority. But then to get past the filibuster in the Senate, ⁓ speaker-2: done speaker-0: So it can't go forward ⁓ until the fellow gets inside to blow up the filibuster. now that's when the shit hits the fan. speaker-2: Exactly. And here's that thing, you it looked good a few months, couple months ago, but where'd all that Republican outrage go about the Epstein release? I don't hear it anymore. speaker-0: We're focused on the war with the land right now. all I want to talk about is $4 gallon gas, which is exactly what our Wag the Dog president wanted us to be doing. He doesn't care about our financial interests. He just wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon, which they didn't have at the beginning. speaker-2: That's still low. I they've got With they didn't have one to begin with. Yeah, you know, they have that leaked memo from Mike Johnson that basically said. There was getting too hot about the FD file. That's why he called recess. You know, that's speaker-0: Yep. ⁓ yeah. speaker-1: What I don't understand is in this social media internet reality we've been living in for good while I know, I can't understand how those everything has not been, some hacker or somebody has not, you know. ⁓ speaker-2: . speaker-1: I'm covering it. It made it all public where everybody knows what's going on, you know. speaker-2: been rejected a bunch of it. speaker-0: don't know who the names are that they've redacted. And they've already admitted there's another million pages they haven't released yet. speaker-2: He's actually. speaker-0: Yep. speaker-2: You know, but I mean, through AI, they unredacted a lot of those pages. Guess whose names and a lot of those redactions. um, it's it anyway. So we, uh, we've got to call it quits for the night. We did, you know, it's we, said one hour where it's. speaker-0: Yeah. I knew we'd have a lot talk about tonight. speaker-2: Yeah, well, actually, yeah, there really was a lot of other things we didn't get to get to, Trump calling JD Vance a little boy today. ⁓ if, he would rather have him or him and point the Rubio, you know, while they're in the room. speaker-0: Yeah Oh, I see that. I saw that. speaker-2: ⁓ yeah, no, I was when I get ready to start. speaker-0: He's the king baker. He's making kings. speaker-2: So, yeah, so, but anyway, in the middle of all the other rants last night, he was very offended that the secret service got to Vance before him. He's taken personally. Yeah, but anyway, so have to wait and see what. speaker-0: ⁓ really? I figured that. heard the phone busting his ass when they did come pick him up. speaker-2: No, know. No, he didn't fall down. You're mistaken. speaker-0: I know. Who am I believe him or my own lion eyes? speaker-2: So, I appreciate everyone tuning in to guardians of the public as always. And once again, thank you Charles. Thank you. Tony. You know, you think it can't get worse than it speaker-0: See you next week. speaker-1: So. speaker-0: It always does. speaker-1: I'm speaker-2: Everyone have a great evening. speaker-0: Thank you.