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[BxBD] Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua · Boxing B-Sides

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This shit ain't nothing to me, man. This is Boxing
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Before Dark. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Back. Back.
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Back. Back. Back. Before. Before. Before. Before.
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Boxing. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing Before Dark. This
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is Boxing Before Dark. Okay. I am ready, Leo.
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Are you ready? I'm ready. Well, well, well. It's
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Boxing Before Dark. Back up in your ears. Yeah,
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we're back, bitch. Shannara, how are you doing?
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How's life in Japan as you count down to your
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return? It's alright. It's pretty good. Christmas
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market in town, so I might go check that out
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this weekend. And my ticket for Tsutsumi Donair
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should be here in about three hours. Is it coming
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by, like, official mail or something? Yeah, they
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tried to deliver yesterday, but I was at work.
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You gotta sign for the tickets, usually. Yeah,
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makes sense. It does. Certified mail, yeah. Yeah.
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But I also have a t -shirt coming, so... Extra
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have to sign. Oh, you know who's about to sign?
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Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. It sounds like
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the Saudis are gonna be funding the event. For
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those two to fight. This is breaking news for
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me. I hadn't heard this. Yeah, it's 2026. Allegedly,
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each of them are going to have a fight before.
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I guess to shake the cobwebs loose. Well, Fury's
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retired again, isn't he? Right. I'm not sure
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what number they gave him, but it sounds like
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this is moving ahead. Nice. So we're finally
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going to see it. Who are you backing in this
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one? Probably Anthony Joshua, even though he's
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going to lose. Yeah, that's how I'm feeling too.
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This fight has to happen. It should have happened
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10 years ago, but it has to happen. Hence an
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exaggeration. I swear to fucking fuck, if it
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happens in Saudi Arabia, I'm going to lose my
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fucking mind. That would be the dumbest shit
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they have ever done. Yes. That would be incredibly
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stupid. Fury AJ has to happen in England. That's
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a, whatever, Wembley Stadium fight. Yeah. Man,
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that would be massive. Yeah. But of course, they're
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going to end up doing it in fucking Riyadh because
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of sports washing. That will be the dumbest thing
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they've ever done if that happens. Like, worse
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than the concerts, worse than fucking everything.
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Yeah, I don't like it. I have the feeling that's
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what's going to happen. I don't like it. No,
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that should definitely be in the UK. Not even
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the UK. That should be in London. Yeah, the train
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from Manchester is only like an hour and a half.
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So you guys can... It's not that bad. Fucking
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deal with it. Yeah, it's not that bad. Whiny
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UK people. My grandmother lives 40 minutes away,
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so I haven't seen her for a decade. Yeah, the
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old adage of, for us, 100 years is a long time.
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For them, 100 miles is a long way. Yeah, yeah.
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100 miles is nothing. Yep. Both Chief and Robbie,
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they both kind of like, their heads exploded.
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And I was like, yeah, I used to do that daily,
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like 50 miles one way. Yeah, to go to work. To
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go to work, yep. Yeah, easy. Oh, well. Yeah,
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just throw in a book or a podcast or something
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and makes the time go by pretty quickly. Try
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not to hit any deer. I guess you probably lived
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where there's people. Yeah, for me it was Salt
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City, but... Try not to hit any people. Yeah.
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Speaking of hitting people, Betterbeof has decided
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that the people he wants to hit... Are Bevo or
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Benavidez? I mean, that's kind of the only ones
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left, right? Those are the only options. They
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have to be. Those are the only options left.
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I don't want to see the trilogy. I don't care.
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I think Bevo won both of those fights. Right.
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I agree. I'd rather see Benavidez. That'll be
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fireworks. Something new. Who can hit hard first?
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I did see this thing about Benavidez calling
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out Ben Whittaker. Whittaker. That's a weird
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call -out, isn't it? It is absolutely a weird
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call -out. I don't get it. But... Didn't he call
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out Zerto? Didn't he say he was going up? Yeah,
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okay. Because I know I get him confused with
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a couple other people, but... Yeah. I don't know.
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All that stuff up there is just, like, nobody
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cares. I know people care, but I don't care.
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Benavidez has some weird options that he's laying
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out. Zerto's weird, but... Yeah, Zerto's not
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a real cruiserweight either, though. Like, I
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feel like Zerto could cut to 175 if he wanted
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to. It's just a guy that doesn't want to stop
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eating. And I appreciate that. That's perfectly
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fine. But I mean, he's not going up to fight
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somebody that's way bigger than him. Just fatter.
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Lazier. We need to get Zerto the donut sponsor
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as well. Him and Nav can be buddies. Hmm. So,
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remember we talked about Subreal Matias and his
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positive PED test? Okay. So, I actually did some
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reading and I can see why they changed it. But
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they didn't really change anything. It's just
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the way they reported it changed. So both his
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samples were below the threshold for the New
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York State Athletic Commission. They have a threshold
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of 0 .1 nanomoles, which is tiny, or nanograms,
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but doesn't matter. It's tiny. Like, for reference,
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Ryan Garcia was 6 nanomoles, so he was 60 times
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over the limit. And both of Matias' samples were
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below that limit. But I also did a little extra
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digging just because I was bored. Osterine has
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been found in 72 supplements, I think, by the
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U .S. whatever, the sports people. Like, there's
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a whole list of don't take this protein powder,
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don't take this multivitamin, don't take this,
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like, over -the -counter stuff if you're an athlete
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because you will pop for Osterine. And there's
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like 72 brands of multivitamins on there. And
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at 0 .08 nanograms, I mean, that seems plausible
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to me. Six nanograms, I don't know how many fucking
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multivitamins you were taking. The whole bottle
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at once? Yeah. And I'm not saying that Matthias...
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Has never done steroids and isn't doing steroids.
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I'm just saying that he didn't actually break
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any of the New York State Athletic Commission
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rules with either of his samples. But VADA has
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zero tolerance for Osterine. If they can detect
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it. Yeah. If they can detect it, they call it
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an adverse finding. The reason it was so fast
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was the adverse finding was within the threshold
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allowed by the New York State. Is that where
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Matias is competing next? I think so. Because
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he's fighting the Dalton guy. Yeah, I didn't
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look at it. I just assumed that was the commission
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that was doing it. One second. Dalton Smith,
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right? Yeah. Yeah, the fight in New York on January
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10th. All right, so it makes sense that it would
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be New York that they're going to allow the fight
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to proceed. Yeah, so the reported concentrations
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are below Nevada, California, and New York limits.
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So it's not just New York either. Yeah, makes
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sense. So, again, I'm not saying that Matias
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has never cheated. I'm just saying that this
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one shouldn't have been reported the way it was.
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Like, if there's a threshold and he's below it,
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he didn't do anything wrong. Right. Whether you
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think there should be a threshold... Yeah, well,
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whether you think there should be a threshold
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or not is a different question, but... I was
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under the impression there was no permitted amount
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for a substance like Osterine. I mean, apparently
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California, Nevada, and the New York State Commission
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all disagree that there's a very small amount
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that can be just contamination. Also, that led
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me to a rabbit hole of... You know how they test
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sewage samples all the time for just random stuff,
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like they used it in COVID? Some study did a
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test on sewage fatberg samples for just shit
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that people shouldn't be taking. And in the last
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decade, recreational drugs have fallen way behind
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steroids. Really? Osterine's one of the ones
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that they find in very high concentrations in
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just like city sewage samples. So cocaine, like
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all the recreational drugs you think people are
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probably doing, way below steroid use and has
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been for the last 10 years. It's crazy to me.
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Wow. That is... I would not have expected that.
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Yeah, so I know London was one of the cities.
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I forget the other ones, but London was the oldest
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one I could find. And that test was from like
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2017 or something. So people out there doing
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steroids, but also apparently they're putting
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steroids in your multivitamins. So, yeah. Makes
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sense. Yeah. You know what's not going to make
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sense? Well, It'll just be humorous. Nick Ball
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versus Brandon Figueroa. That is going to be
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fucking funny. That's going to be a cartoonish
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fight. Yeah. What is the actual height difference?
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I'm going to guess, like, 7 inches? Yeah, I think
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it's 7 inches. I think Nick Ball's, like, 5 '2",
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and Figueroa's 5 '9", I think. Yeah, Figueroa
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is the one I don't know his actual height. Yeah,
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5 '9". 7 inch height difference. That's going
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to be the fucking Looney Tunes cartoonish. Amazing.
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I also don't know who wins that one. I mean,
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Figueroa should, but he's looked like shit. He
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has looked better. He's had better days. But
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Nick Ball isn't that good either. No, you think
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just keep him at the end of your reach and you
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should be good, right? I mean, Figueroa doesn't
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do that. Like, he's not much of a jab person.
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No. He'd have to switch his whole style up to,
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I don't know, to find some success in this one.
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Oh, that's going to be in Liverpool. Yeah, that's
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going to be cartoonish. Love it. Oh, cartoonish.
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The WBC interim 135 belt that was recently on
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the line vacated. Because that whole thing was
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so stupid. That belt should not have been put
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on the line at all. Don't they already, like...
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They had scheduled a fight for that interim belt?
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Yes. They're lucky that Foster wants to vacate.
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Otherwise they'd have two interim belt holders.
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It's so stupid. I would imagine they would rescind
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the other one. Since it's not as prestigious
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of a fight. Actual 135 pounders. Yeah. Foster's
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staying at 130. So that's good. Makes sense.
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He made 130. Yeah. Like, they should have just
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done what they always do. Fulton missed weight
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and he can't win the belt. But Foster can. Or
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whatever, right? He can keep it, yeah. Yeah.
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Like, that was so stupid. That whole thing was
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stupid. It was a dumb sequence of events. really
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disappointing from the WBC to play the same type
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of hijinks that the WBA gets up to. Yeah. Yeah.
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That was just stupid. You know what else is stupid
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that I had never really noticed? Fulton's tattoo.
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Like, he needs a cover -up. I've never seen it.
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His giant one on his stomach? Stephen Fulton.
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The giant? Did you read it? The giant one on
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his stomach. Yeah. No, I'm not finding any pictures.
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I know I don't have the wrong person this time
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because it's... Do I have the wrong person? He's
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the one that fought in a way, right? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. I don't see a tattoo on his stomach in
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these pictures. He's got a giant tattoo that
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says can't be stopped on his stomach. I know
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he does. I remember seeing that actually. I remember
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that. I think Naoya Inoue would beg to differ.
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He needs to get it covered up with just like
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Inoue. Only stopped once. Yeah. Can't be stopped
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except by the best. How do you save that? Also,
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if he got that tattoo after the Ittaway fight,
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that's even funnier. He did. I'm seeing pictures
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from the weigh -in and he got that after. That's
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so cringy and stupid. That's funny. That's next
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level. That's dumber than them putting that belt
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on the line. Well, speaking of dumb, Canelo wants
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to rematch Crawford. I mean, I assume that must
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be just a ton of money. Yeah, absolutely. But
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I don't think anybody wants to see that. See
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how it would go any different. Yeah, I don't
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either. Seems like Canelo doesn't have shit to
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do anyways, but it seems like a waste of time
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for Crawford. He doesn't have anything to do
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either. It's not like he's going to fight the
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other contenders at 168. Why not? Go to 160.
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I guess there's not really anyone famous at 160,
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is there? No, I suspect that he was supposed
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to fight the winner of Janabek Lara. So that
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he could scoop up three of the belts and then
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beat whoever had the other one. Carlos Adamas,
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I guess. Right. Easy work. And then Janabek fucked
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it up. Yep. Yeah, because none of these names
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are very big. Now that I actually look at who's
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at 160. Yeah. It's been a wasteland for quite
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some time. Like, there's no point in him beating
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up Old Man Lara. Really. No. The only one that's
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really worth anything is Janabek. Yeah. He could
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go beat up Roy and Janabek. I don't think that's
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going to affect who wins that fight in the least.
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Yeah, I don't think so either. I mean, I guess
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it makes sense just because they're going to
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get paid a shit ton, but I really don't know
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anyone who wants to see that rematch. There must
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be some Canelo stans out there, I guess. Like,
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the delusional kind. Okay, I was gonna say, like,
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I don't know, like, Isaac is a Canelo stan and
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I imagine he would not want to see it again.
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Isaac's pretty realistic as far as stans go.
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Yeah. Like, you need the Casamero -style Canelo
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fans. Can do no wrong. Yeah. Heads I win, tails
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you cheated. Yeah, exactly. I don't see that
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going any different. Crawford's just going to
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outbox him again. Zufa Boxing kicks off on January
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23rd. That's the day before UFC kicks off on
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Paramount Plus on January 24th. Have they signed
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anyone of note? Not that I've seen. No, me neither.
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Like, I don't know. I kind of hope Zufa boxing
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just fizzles out. I hope it's another triller
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or whatever the fuck that was. Triller boxing?
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Yeah. I don't know. I just, I don't want boxing
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to start becoming UFC -ish. I think all of that
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is awful. Yeah, I don't want it either. I am
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cautiously optimistic that the size of these
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Paramount deals would reach the fighter pay.
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It would improve fighter pay, but yeah, it's
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probably not. It's not gonna happen. That would
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cut into other people's pay. Cut into overhead?
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Yeah. Dana White would make less money. You can't
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have that. Yeah, we can't have that. I don't
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know. I fucking hate Zufa boxing. I know it doesn't
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officially really exist yet, but the whole concept
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sounds stupid. I hope they get... Nothing. I
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hope nobody signs with them and I hope their
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first six events are all garbage that fails and
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then they disappear. If the Saudis financially
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back him, he could make some big signings with
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that. But that would amount to him having paid
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fighters generously. Right. Which would be fine,
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I guess. Because it's the Saudis' money, not
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his. Yeah. Well, and also the fighters get paid,
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so that's fine, I guess. Yeah. Like, from my
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not important perception. But, like, I honestly,
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I don't think anyone big is really going to sign
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with them if they keep fighting with the belts.
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I think the belts do matter to the fighters.
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I think people care about that. Yeah, I think
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so too. They're not going to get anybody of note.
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Even if they do, I don't think it'll stick, if
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you know what I mean. Because if you go to Zufa
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and you can't fight for any of the titles, nobody's
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going to want to fight you, because why would
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they? Even if you're the best, they don't get
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anything out of it. They being PBC's fighter
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or whoever. They're going to have a Zufa title.
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Yeah. Do you really think Inoue cares about the
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Zufa title? No. Probably not. I mean, Inoue is
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too big. That's a bad example. But even the tier
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below that. Would Janabek care about the Zufa
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title? No. If they paid Janna back enough, he'd
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go fight for it. But not because of the title.
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You know what I mean? Yeah. And I guarantee the
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belts aren't going to let any of those count
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as, like, defenses. So you're probably going
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to lose any other belts you have. Like, if you
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sign with Zufa, you'll be stripped. They won't
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make it that obvious, but yes. Or even just,
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like, let's say they do talk Janovec into fighting...
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Janovec's not the Zufa guy, but they talk him
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into fighting somebody for Zufa. The Zufa guy's
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not gonna count as a title defense, and then
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he'll get stripped for not fighting. His mandatory
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or whatever? Yeah, like... They do that shit
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all the time. One way I could see this work out
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is if Zufo does what Top Rank did with the WBO,
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where they established a symbiotic relationship
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where Top Rank fighters are always fighting for
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the WBO title. That's unofficially theirs. You
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know what I mean? Yeah, well, and PBC has the
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same thing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But that's
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not what's going to happen because Zufa's being
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dicks about it. Yeah. One thing I have to admit
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I do like about Zufa is that they're cutting
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down on the number of weight classes. Oh, are
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they? Yeah. I don't really care about that. I
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like it. How many just no junior? Yeah, no juniors
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or supers. But then you don't have a super fly
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title. Damn, you're right. Junior Bantam? There's
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a lot of those turn out to be fun. I just, I
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don't like anything Zufa's doing. I also don't
26:33
like them fucking around with the legislature
26:36
and stuff. That's bullshit. Yeah. Ilhan Omar
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standing up for fighters at the congressional
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hearings. Is he? That's good. She, but yes. Ah,
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sorry. It's alright, I didn't expect you to know.
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Who she was anyway. Or really, anybody listening?
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Probably not. I also don't think I heard the
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first name right then. Because I... Okay. I did
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hear it right. That sounds like a boy's name
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to me. Somalia. I don't know. Anyways. Yeah.
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Time for fucking shit here. Recap shit. Only
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two, but one of them is pretty big. Really quickly,
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Tasman Fighters at the Gold Coast Convention
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Center in Broad Beach, Australia. Terra Moana,
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first round stoppage, as one would expect. I
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think they need to start stepping him up a little.
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Like, don't they? Yeah, I would say so. Like,
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he's not old, but he's not young. They need to,
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you know. How old is he? Start going. He's 27.
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Yeah. Sounds like. I know that's not, like, super
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old, but. They're trying to pad a record really
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quick with these first round knockouts of nobodies
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and then. But does anybody care about that? I
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don't. No. I don't care if you've knocked over
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20 cans. If you've fought like 10 good fighters,
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that's better. He's not getting anything out
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of these fights. Yeah, I don't think so. This
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isn't a wealth of experience that he's building
31:30
up. No, I'm not saying they need to throw him
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in with contenders or anything, but... How many
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first round knockouts is that? At least get some
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rounds. Put in somebody that'll make them fight
31:45
for six or seven rounds. Jason Maloney gets a
31:55
stoppage in four. I missed this. Yeah, I just
32:00
thought I'd mention him because it's the Maloney
32:03
brother. Yeah. I mean, he needed a get -back
32:09
fight anyways. He had two losses in a row. Yeah,
32:17
you gotta get a softer touch there. Yeah, because
32:22
I don't know who Herlan Gomez is, but I don't
32:25
recognize him. I've never heard of him either.
32:32
Jai Obataya. Knock out an 8 over Hussein Kinkara.
32:38
Jai did not look great, to be honest. But that...
32:46
Well, the... Sorry, I need to get my thoughts
32:50
together. His eyes break very easy, Jai Obataya.
32:56
Because... Did you watch this one? No, not all
33:00
of it. Just highlights. Okay, so... This one
33:04
I did... I missed the rest of the card, but I
33:07
caught the main event. Like, round two or three,
33:11
Opataya's... I want to say his left eye started
33:14
swelling really weirdly. Like, you know those
33:18
great big swellings that you're like, that's
33:21
not right. That's not just, like, a big bruise.
33:25
It's not like a... It's a mouse, but, like, a
33:28
weird one. Yeah. And so he had... Because I looked
33:34
it up, they both had pretty bad injuries from
33:37
this one. I mean, obviously, Chinkara's was worse,
33:40
but... Obataya had, like, cracks in both his
33:46
eye sockets. Yikes. Some no -name -what's -this
33:51
-guy -German should not be doing that to you.
33:55
Wait, in my opinion. If Jai Obataya's as good
33:58
as he's supposed to be... Some no -name German
34:01
should not be breaking both your eyes. But, Chinkara
34:07
was in the hospital for a couple days because
34:11
he has a crack in his neck vertebrae. Also had
34:15
a brain bleed. Yeah, that's bad. So, I mean,
34:21
Obitai hits hard, but he was getting cracked
34:24
in there. I don't know. This fight was not particularly
34:31
fun to me, and I don't think Obataya looked that
34:36
good. The knockout was definitely highlight real
34:38
craziness, but he was getting touched up pretty
34:43
bad by some guy I've never heard of. Nothing
34:52
to add. I don't know. I was not impressed by
34:59
Opentaya this time. Do better. PBC on Prime in
35:09
San Antonio, Texas. This was better. Let's see.
35:14
Isaac Lucero gets a big stoppage in eight over
35:18
Roberto Valenzuela. Frank Martin over Rancis
35:23
Bartholomew, KO4. There's some people saying
35:27
knockout of the year contender. I missed this
35:33
one because it was early in the morning, but
35:35
apparently I need to go find it. Knockout of
35:39
the year contender? Yeah. Crazy. Let me see.
35:46
I think that was to cap off the prelims. Oh,
35:51
so that one should be on YouTube. Yes. But that's
36:05
good, right? Frank Martin. He's back with the
36:08
stoppage. So, yeah, I guess. But, like, it's
36:12
Francis Bartholomew. Who really fucking cares?
36:16
I guess, but... Uh -oh, I'm trying to hype it
36:20
up. Did you catch Jesus Ramos getting the UD
36:28
over Shane Mosley? I did. It's a very uninspiring
36:32
performance. I was not pleased. I thought it
36:38
was a really fun fight, though. Yes, good back
36:41
and forth. Shane Mosley showed up, which was
36:44
nice. He didn't just, like, roll over. Shane
36:48
Mosley has his dad's chin, for sure. Like, I
36:54
don't think he's that talented, but he takes
36:56
an ass kicking so well. It's crazy. Yeah, this
37:04
is what we can expect from Jesus Robinson. Like,
37:06
his power didn't carry up, it seems like. Not
37:09
sure why he moved up. Like, why do you want to
37:12
be a big fish in a little pond? I mean, did his
37:18
power not carry, or does Shane Mosley just have
37:22
a fucking vibranium chin? Shane Mosley's kind
37:27
of known for taking an ass -kicking. Yes. That's
37:32
a good question. It also seems like he was having
37:38
trouble making 154. Because he hasn't in like
37:43
two years. Has it been that long? Last time he
37:50
was under 154 for a weigh -in was September 2023.
37:57
According to BoxRec. He missed it. In May of
38:03
24. And then he moved up. And then. This must
38:07
be a catch weight. Or maybe he just missed weight
38:10
again. But. This. What's the third month? March.
38:16
He was 155 and three quarters. It's oddly specific.
38:24
I'm just on box record. But the other guy was
38:27
154 and a half. So I assume it was a. Catch weight?
38:31
Non -title fights do have allowances. Okay. It
38:37
just looks like he's having trouble making 154
38:40
to me on BoxRec. Like, even going back to 2021
38:46
and 2022, he was missing by half a pound. Hmm.
38:53
I'm going to... I think those were also non -title
38:57
fights, so there was some allowance. But regardless,
39:03
yeah, he's not making the 154 limit. Hasn't for
39:09
a very long time. But I don't know if Shane Mosley
39:18
Jr. is the one that shows you have no power.
39:21
That's all I'm saying. That's fair. I can get
39:26
behind that. But this was a fun fight. A lot
39:30
of, like, inside back and forth fighting. I enjoyed
39:34
it. Did you enjoy Erislandy Lara getting the
39:40
UD over Johan Gonzalez? I mean, I enjoyed that
39:46
the old man won, but that fight wasn't as enjoyable
39:50
to me. No, it definitely wasn't. Lara definitely
39:54
looked his age. Yeah, well, he's, what, 42? Yes.
40:02
I think Laura needs, like, his big payday. Somebody
40:07
needs to get it for him. Saul was saying that
40:16
a better replacement for Johnny Beck would have
40:20
been have Jesus Ramos fill that slot and go for
40:24
the title. Instead of Johan. Yeah. Yeah, but
40:33
then what do you do with Shane Mosley? Have him
40:37
fight Johan. I guess. Fair enough. Or just scrap
40:43
him entirely. I... Pramos might have beat Old
40:51
Man Lara. I don't know. You're right. Lara didn't
40:54
look that good. But he was training for a different
40:58
fight. So maybe... Also, I don't know who this
41:03
guy is. Do you know who Johan Gonzalez is? No,
41:07
never seen him before. And he looked like ass.
41:11
So, like, maybe it's hard to get tape on him?
41:16
Which can make you look bad? Could be. So give
41:21
Lara the benefit of the doubt? I just want the
41:25
old man to do well. But no, you're right. He
41:29
didn't look good. I am making excuses. Oh, speaking
41:35
of making excuses, Stephen Fulton drops the fucking
41:40
ball. Oshaki Foster beats him to pick up the
41:43
interim WBC lightweight title, which he subsequently
41:49
dropped, as mentioned before. Because why was
41:53
it even on the line? Yeah. Fucking stupid. Yeah,
42:00
this fight was ass. I don't know what your opinion
42:04
is, but this was not fun. I was not thrilled
42:07
seeing Stephen Fulton being beaten to the punch
42:11
every time. Not having answers for anything.
42:17
It wasn't fun. I don't know. Stephen Fulton looked
42:22
bad. Like, as expected when you blow weight like
42:27
that, but, like, he looked really bad. Yeah.
42:32
In a way, it kind of maybe broke him. I'm not
42:36
sure, because when he came back against Brandon
42:39
Figueroa, he looked fantastic. That's true. I
42:45
don't know what the fuck happened, but that was
42:47
a broken man. Like, that was not the Stephen
42:51
Fulton that we have seen. Right. Oh, Shaki Foster
43:01
looked pretty good, though. He did. I was very
43:05
pleased. Even though I was... Also, this new
43:10
nickname sucks. Or has he always been called
43:13
Ice Water? I don't know. That's a terrible fucking
43:20
nickname. I don't think I'd ever heard it before.
43:23
I think I'd remember because it's stupid. Absolutely
43:26
stupid. Um, yeah. What would you give him instead?
43:35
I don't know. Shock. Yeah. Static shock. Electric
43:44
shock. Did he not used to be shock and awe? I
43:49
can't recall. I don't know, but Ice Water is
43:54
just not a cool nickname. Ice, even, would just
43:58
be better. Or it's combat sports, just water
44:02
is cooler because of the Bruce Lee quote. But,
44:04
like, Ice Water is stupid. I would imagine...
44:14
He's going to be watching the upcoming Navarrete
44:18
-Nunez fight pretty closely. Yeah. I'm kind of
44:26
excited for that one, actually. Because he's
44:32
staying at 130, he said. Which makes sense. I
44:35
don't know why he wouldn't. He made weight. Who
44:44
else is at 130 right now? Nav, Nunez, Ray Ford.
44:50
Jezza Dickens. That's the one I was trying to
44:55
remember. He's the WBA champ, isn't he? Yeah,
44:58
yeah. He's got a fight coming up, right, as well?
45:03
Yeah, I think so. He's fighting. Is he fighting
45:08
one of the Tsutsumi brothers? I think. On the...
45:16
Hayato. Yeah, on the Riyadh card. That is such
45:25
a fucking mid -off. Him and Hayato. I would maybe
45:30
want to fight whoever wins that. Because I am
45:32
sure Foster could beat them. I don't think much
45:40
of either of those guys. I think Nunez is a much
45:46
harder fight. Nav or Nunez are much harder fights.
45:52
Yeah. Jazza. Jazza. Fucking Jazza Dickens. Such
45:58
a stupid name. Anyway, yeah, this fight was also
46:04
not fun. Just don't bother watching that one.
46:07
The Foster -Fulton fight. But you know what was
46:15
kind of fun? Isaac Cruz and Lamont Roach? Yes.
46:22
It was so fucking dirty. So fucking dirty from
46:26
both fighters. There was, I feel, actual bad
46:30
blood on this one. The knockdown, I thought that
46:40
was going to be the deciding factor because it
46:42
was pretty, it seemed really competitive. I was
46:46
having trouble. I don't think a draw is a bad
46:51
outcome. I know a lot of people were yelling
46:54
robbery, but I don't think it wasn't robbery.
46:57
I also don't think Cruz won, but, but like, because
47:04
there's four rounds I think are clearly Isaac
47:06
Cruz rounds. There's the... I think he won the
47:11
first round. Round three was a knockdown. And
47:16
I think he won round 11 and 12 pretty clearly.
47:20
And there's swing rounds in the middle there.
47:23
Like, I think Roach also had four clear rounds,
47:26
but I don't remember which ones. And Cruz had
47:29
the point deducted. Which I have no problem with
47:33
the point being deducted, but... The punch they
47:37
decided to take a point on is weird and stupid.
47:40
What did they dock him for again? Hitting in
47:43
the back. Oh, right. The kidney punches. Yeah,
47:50
but the one they took it for, Lamont Roach turned.
47:54
And he had no warnings for that. Just wait until
48:00
he headbutts him again or something. It was gonna
48:03
happen. And I have no problem with a point being
48:06
taken. I just think that was not the reason to
48:10
do it. Also, some of those low blows that they
48:14
were complaining and warning about, I don't think
48:17
they were low. High trunks? Yeah. Well, and Roach
48:23
had his trunks around his tits. Like... But...
48:28
I don't know. This was a pretty dirty fight.
48:35
Pretty controversial. I gotta wonder what's next.
48:41
Because Isaac Cruz is... He is a one -trick pony.
48:46
And... He did use a jab in this fight, though.
48:51
That was shocking, to say the least. Like, Pimple
48:58
tried to jab. And then he tried to jab with his
49:01
head a couple times. But, you know. He's learning.
49:09
But who is at 140 right now? From the top of
49:14
the list, Teofimo, Subrio Matias, Richardson,
49:19
Hitchens, Keyshawn Davis, Adam Azeem. That's
49:23
the top five. I don't see him doing very well
49:27
against any of them. I guess him and Subriel,
49:33
Matthias might be a fun fight. Or the winner
49:36
of that. Yeah. Matthias can fight dirty as well.
49:41
I don't think... I don't think Cruz is going
49:45
to bully him or anything. Sandor Martin. Sandor
49:53
Martin would outpoint Pitbull Cruz. No problem.
49:58
And then get robbed on the scorecards. As is
50:02
tradition. As is tradition, yeah. I mean, he
50:08
could... He's the interim now for Matias. I think
50:11
that's probably his next fight. Is he mandatory
50:17
for Matias? Boxing team has him listed as the
50:22
interim belt holder now. Oh. I thought that was
50:26
vacant and they were fighting for it. Didn't
50:29
know Cruz already had it. When the fuck did he
50:32
win that? Uh, the fight before. Omar Salcido.
50:40
Okay, I see. They were fighting for it, but Cruz
50:46
already had it, so he didn't lose it. Yeah. Okay,
50:50
I just, I am mistaken. I thought it was vacant.
50:53
So, yeah. No. He's mandatory for Matias. Might
50:58
as well hold on to it. Well, Matias has his fight.
51:03
Yeah. So I guess Cruz for the winner of that.
51:10
I don't interim belts are so fucking stupid.
51:14
Yeah, they don't seem to actually be a mandatory
51:17
position. Well, I guess if it was vacant before.
51:25
Well, it wasn't because this is stupid. Cruz
51:30
should have been fighting Matias instead of fighting
51:32
Roach. Yes. Stupid. So, like, how is Dalton Smith
51:43
the mandatory over the interim title holder?
51:49
Well, he shouldn't be. Yeah. That's stupid. Okay.
51:56
What 40s kind of... Heating up a little bit,
52:00
though. Like, I'm excited for Gar versus Hirooka.
52:08
I think that's going to be a really good fight.
52:11
I think that's going to be exciting. Has Gary
52:15
Antoine Russell slowed down enough for the young
52:18
guy to take advantage of it is kind of what I
52:21
think that's going to come down to. I don't think
52:25
that... I don't... I don't see a lot of avenues
52:29
for Hirooka, unfortunately. No, I don't either.
52:33
I don't think he's really ready for this. No.
52:36
But, maybe. I mean, I'm not mad that they gave
52:42
him the chance. I just don't think he's ready.
52:46
And then, I want somebody to beat Hitchens. I
52:48
don't like him. I don't know anyone who really...
52:52
There's only one person who does. Someone in
52:54
Discord. I don't remember who. but there's like
52:58
one Hitchens fan. It's kind of weird. That is
53:05
a weird choice. Anyways, I want him to lose his
53:10
belt, so somebody needs to take care of that.
53:16
And then... Tiafimo's the other belt holder?
53:21
I didn't know Tiafimo had a belt. WBO. Crazy.
53:31
Anyways. Yeah, I know this fight was really controversial,
53:38
but I didn't really see the controversy. I thought
53:40
a draw was fine. The other card, the non -draw
53:46
card, was fucking madness, I guess, is part of
53:49
it. Because they had Cruz winning eight rounds
53:53
to four? I believe so. That's fucking madness.
54:02
Anyways, Lamont Roach should still get, well,
54:05
Tank's crash out, but he should still get his
54:10
Tank rematch. Who were they saying Tank is going
54:15
to come back against? I don't remember. I do
54:19
know that his lawsuit stuff got dropped because
54:22
they couldn't get the security footage. Yeah,
54:26
I saw that as well. Forgot to put that in the
54:29
news. But also I don't like talking about that.
54:33
Fucking domestic abuser. Fucking attacking strippers.
54:40
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why. That's
54:44
just stupid. That's it for the recap shit. The
54:57
upcoming shit. Wednesday, December 17th, No Limit
55:05
Boxing at the TikTok Entertainment Center in
55:10
Sydney, Australia. Just gonna say the fucking
55:14
depressing name. Yeah. A bunch of shit on here.
55:19
Only two fights to point out. Sam Goodman vs.
55:22
Tyler Blizzard. Team Blizzard all the way. Yeah,
55:27
I don't think he has a hope in hell, but... Team
55:30
Blizzard all the way. And Tim Zhu versus Anthony
55:34
Velasquez. Which one is Velasquez? I don't know.
55:42
I've never seen him before. Yeah, I don't think
55:48
I have either. Which is probably a good thing
55:52
for Tim Zhu right now, to be honest. Yeah. That's
55:58
weird. Tim Zhu's... how what's his record 25
56:02
and three yeah but those three losses all came
56:06
all at once recently you know what i was mistaking
56:12
him i don't know why for nikita what yeah don't
56:18
ask why i don't know um but tim zoo yeah uh wrong
56:22
zoo that's really bad leo yeah pretty don't know
56:29
how i got that mixed up but yeah this is definitely
56:31
a good comeback uh he's moving up to middleweight
56:34
i'm kind of excited to see what the cuban trainer
56:39
has done yeah me too i i am intrigued i guess
56:44
i should say maybe excited's the wrong word but
56:46
i don't think so i i i have no idea uh what tim's
56:53
gonna look like this fight So I kind of hope
56:56
it goes a few rounds at least. I want to see
57:00
the new and improved Cuban Timzu. Timoteo. But
57:10
that's it for the No Limit card. Anthony Velasquez
57:15
has a fun nickname. He's the ATV. What? ATV?
57:25
Yeah. What? His initials, yeah, AV, no shit.
57:32
Yeah, but all -terrain vehicle, like a four -wheeler?
57:35
Yes. It's fun. I like it. Never heard that one
57:41
before, so that's good. Points for a unique name.
57:50
Taken at the Sumo Arena. Yeah. In Sumida, Tokyo.
58:00
I didn't realize it was in a... Anyway, that
58:04
doesn't matter. I'm excited. My ticket comes
58:07
today. The undercard's actually pretty decent,
58:12
too. Is it? Yeah. For a Wednesday. Which, why
58:17
the fuck is this on a Wednesday? Good question.
58:21
I gotta ditch out of work. It's not like a holiday
58:24
or anything. I gotta leave work early and hope
58:27
my boss doesn't notice. Tsuyoshi Nishimoto versus
58:34
Yu Izaki. Yeah, I don't know either of these
58:38
guys. Akui, the next fight up. Seigo, Yuri, Akui,
58:46
and Vincent LaCarre. Akui's fun. Like, very Japanese
58:52
style. Against some Filipino guy I've never heard
58:56
of. So that should be fireworks. I'm assuming.
59:03
Kiyosuke Takami versus Rene Santiago. Didn't
59:06
Santiago just fight somebody? Yeah. He just fought
59:13
Iwata. And won. So. Yeah, I don't know who's
59:21
going to win this one, to be honest. This should
59:24
be a pretty close fight, I think. Never seen
59:28
Takami, so I can't really say. Yeah, he's pretty
59:34
young, I think. 23. I'm pretty sure I saw him
59:41
in Yokohama. Against... Eric Rosa? Yeah. She's
59:50
been in Korakuen Hall the entire time. Yeah,
59:57
no, this was the Taraji loss. The card Taraji
1:00:01
lost on and Higa drew. So, anyways, I think this
1:00:09
should be a fun fight. Anthony Olaskwaga versus
1:00:16
Taku Kuwahara. For the WBO Flyweight title. I
1:00:22
think Ola Squaga should win this one pretty easily.
1:00:29
I don't know about Kuwahara, so I couldn't say.
1:00:32
He lost to Akui on an Inoue fight card, I think.
1:00:43
Yeah, yeah. The Neri card. Anyways, I think Ola
1:00:51
Squaga should win this one pretty handily. Maybe
1:00:55
even a knockout. Damn. I like Ola Squaga though,
1:01:05
so I'm a little biased. Don't let your bias weigh
1:01:10
too heavily here. Seiya Tsutsumi versus Nonito
1:01:13
Donair. I don't really have a bias in this one.
1:01:17
I like both of them. But Tsutsumi should win.
1:01:20
I mean... Yeah, you'd think. He should. He should
1:01:25
just outwork him. I suspect this one might be
1:01:28
a knockout too. Like an accumulation style knockout.
1:01:33
Donair is old. He's in his 40s, right? Yeah,
1:01:40
he's 43. 43? And fighting at 118 pounds. It's
1:01:50
crazy. Very. I mean, Donair really should retire.
1:02:00
But I'm excited I get to see him live. I know
1:02:03
it's kind of like old man shadow of what he used
1:02:05
to be. But I will be able to say I saw Donair
1:02:09
fight live, which is fun. Yeah, it would be good
1:02:16
to catch him before he rides off into the sunset.
1:02:21
Yeah. Now, if he somehow manages to land a crazy
1:02:26
left hook, I'm going to be so sad. But I'm thinking
1:02:34
chances are pretty small. Moving to the MVP card,
1:02:43
which will be on Netflix. At the Kaseya Center
1:02:46
in Miami, Florida. Nice. Anderson Silva versus
1:02:53
Tyron Woodley. That's fun. Is it? I don't know.
1:03:00
I guess. I don't see the point, but... Getting
1:03:07
them paid? I mean, Silva should win that pretty
1:03:12
easy, right? Yeah, you'd think. That's what I
1:03:15
would expect. Moving up the bill, some shit I
1:03:23
don't really care about. Caroline Dubois, WBC
1:03:28
lightweight champion versus Camila Panata. It's
1:03:32
good to see Caroline back. It's been a while,
1:03:36
I think. Has it? Maybe I just missed it. No,
1:03:42
it has not. She's fought twice. this year. Never
1:03:46
mind. That's fun. This one should be fun. Like,
1:03:59
for a women's fight, this should be high action.
1:04:05
Oh, look at Bustillo's picture on BoxRec. It
1:04:12
looks like a 90s album cover. Yeah, it looks
1:04:16
like a glamour shot. Yeah, Shania Twain had this
1:04:19
picture on one of her country albums. I'm 90
1:04:23
% sure. Sharnika Johnson versus Amanda Gaia.
1:04:36
Neeks. Is this a... I don't know. It's three
1:04:43
of the four belts. I was going to say, is this
1:04:45
an Undisputed? But it's not. It is. Oh, right.
1:04:51
Yeah, and they're bullshit. Petty ass. Alicia
1:05:00
Baumgartner versus Leila Boudoin? Boudoin? Bedouin?
1:05:07
Bedouin? It's a lot better than what I got. I
1:05:15
mean, there's probably a French pronunciation
1:05:19
that I can't do, but people around home say Bedouin.
1:05:25
Three of four titles on the line here. WBC is
1:05:28
currently vacant. I mean, this is some random
1:05:33
Canadian. She's gonna get wrecked. Yeah, Baumgartner's
1:05:39
a beast, so. Yeah. Well, and any time they throw
1:05:44
these random Canadians into title fights like
1:05:48
this, they're such mismatches. This is going
1:05:54
to be stupid. I'm pretty sure. Well, speaking
1:06:01
of stupid, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua. Okay.
1:06:07
At what point do you lose all respect for Joshua
1:06:11
if Jake Paul is still standing? I give him four
1:06:17
rounds. Four? That's kind of where I was leaning
1:06:21
as well. I think it should be faster than that.
1:06:24
I think this should be a Francis and Gano type
1:06:26
fight. Yes. But, like, if it goes past five rounds,
1:06:33
four rounds... Fuck AJ. AJ is washed. If that
1:06:40
happens. Best case scenario, he's, like, carrying
1:06:45
it for views or whatever. But, like, just go
1:06:54
in and knock him the fuck out. Don't embarrass
1:06:57
us. I'll have the memes Locked and loaded. Jake
1:07:08
Paul Mafia. Yeah. I might have to stay off Discord
1:07:14
for this one. No, I won't. No, I won't. So are
1:07:25
we writing off Jake Paul completely? I mean,
1:07:29
I am. Are you not? I can only go with, like,
1:07:38
a lucky puncher's chance. But Jake Paul's not
1:07:43
even a puncher. Yeah, I know. So those chances
1:07:46
are really slim. AJ's chin is cracked, I guess.
1:07:52
But, like, in all honesty, if Jake Paul lands
1:07:55
clean on AJ, knock him out or not, I lose respect
1:07:59
for AJ. Like, is it just stupid? It's a no -win
1:08:05
situation for AJ? I mean, he's getting paid a
1:08:10
shit ton of money. So. But, yeah, if he doesn't
1:08:16
knock him out cold in, like, the first three
1:08:19
rounds, it's stupid. How many rounds would it
1:08:28
take? Of Jake Paul. Surviving. Maybe not thriving.
1:08:34
But at least surviving. Where you would give
1:08:37
him some props. Kind of like an inverse of the
1:08:41
AJ question. Yeah. Okay. Like surviving. And
1:08:48
it looking like AJ. Is not carrying him. Any
1:08:52
rounds. But I'm just going to assume. That AJ
1:08:55
is just not. Not trying. Trying? Yeah. Yeah.
1:09:00
I don't think Jake Paul can impress me in this
1:09:04
fight at all. Unless he comes in and knocks out
1:09:08
AJ and it looks convincing. But, I mean, if he
1:09:14
does that, boxing is dead. If he does that, boxing
1:09:21
is dead. Hmm. Two really quick ones. The WBC
1:09:30
Grand Prix finals are upon us. I have not been
1:09:35
watching. I haven't either. Saturday, December
1:09:38
20th. I'm disowned. I don't recognize. Oh, Derek
1:09:44
Palmer Lou. I recognize. And Dillian Biggs. Yeah,
1:09:54
I'm sure I'm. ruining this guy's name too. All
1:09:57
the boxers are from Quebec. Fucking ridiculous.
1:10:03
No, they have a better BF to look up to. That's
1:10:09
true. And a Billy. Two good Canadians. Yeah.
1:10:18
Let's see here. The heavyweight final between
1:10:21
Kevin Ramirez and Ahmed Kernjik. Krnjic? K -R
1:10:29
-N -J -I -C. Whatever that is. The featherweight
1:10:36
final, Muhammad Kamili versus Brandon Mejia.
1:10:42
The super lightweight final, Mujabilo Tursunov
1:10:47
versus Carlos Utria. And middleweight final,
1:10:51
Derek Pomerleau versus Dylan Biggs. There you
1:10:57
go. Yeah, I don't know who any of these people
1:11:02
are, except the last one, but should be good.
1:11:09
I mean, they all had to win, what, four fights?
1:11:13
Five fights to get here? Yeah, I think four.
1:11:20
And another one on the same day, Salida, also
1:11:24
on DAZN. There's a bunch of shit on here that
1:11:27
I don't care about, and it's just Tony Harrison
1:11:30
versus Brian Chavez. Tony Harrison looks like
1:11:37
he's from Detroit, Michigan. Yeah, I don't know
1:11:43
who these two people are either, to be honest.
1:11:47
You've seen Tony Harrison before. His fight against
1:11:52
Tim Zhu, Jermell Charlo. Okay. Fought Jarrett
1:11:59
Hurd a while ago. Oh, he beat Jermel Charlo.
1:12:05
Interesting. He beat him the first time. Yeah.
1:12:09
Got knocked out the second time. Alright. Yeah.
1:12:16
I didn't recognize his box rec pitcher. That's
1:12:25
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1:12:29
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1:16:03
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I bought the new t -shirt for Tsutsumi and he
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collaboration. And I'm so pissed off. Hands up.
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What the F? Yeah, I might have to buy a third
1:16:34
shirt. It just might happen. He's got a little
1:16:38
Peanuts guy with the belt and it's definitely
1:16:43
ripping off... With the blanket and the belt.
1:16:51
Anyways, it's pretty cute. I think he saw your
1:16:56
cheeseburger and got inspired. I did give him
1:17:02
a sticker when I met him. Has he figured out
1:17:08
what to do with it yet? I have not seen it stuck
1:17:11
on any water bottles or anything. He probably
1:17:14
threw it out, but... He was doing another restaurant
1:17:26
collaboration, but this time he was a chef at
1:17:30
the fancy French restaurant somewhere. I forget
1:17:34
where. So he would cook your food for you. Wow.
1:17:39
Yeah. He's got some skills. I thought it was
1:17:43
pretty cool. Let's see. I'm going to call back
1:17:50
to when I used to do it more often, but here's
1:17:53
a quote from Muhammad Ali. I hated every minute
1:17:56
of training, but I said, don't quit. Suffer now
1:17:59
and live the rest of your life as a champion.
1:18:04
And get Parkinson's. Sorry, I was uncalled for.
1:18:13
Happens with boxing. Yeah. That's it, though,
1:18:19
for this edition of Boxing Before Dark. We'll
1:18:22
fucking see you on the other side of Jake Paul
1:18:24
annihilating Anthony Joshua. Boxing is dead.