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Isaac Wright Jr. Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: a regular basis. My next guest is in studio. He's
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Speaker 1: ready to go. He's an attorney, entrepreneur, philanthropists. He was
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Speaker 1: on top of the world when he was Falster accused
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Speaker 1: and convicted of being a drug kingpan in nineteen one.
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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two
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Speaker 1: years on other drug convictions. He is now the executive
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Speaker 1: Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you
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Speaker 1: pretty good? How do you feel? My man? I feel great.
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Speaker 1: It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed,
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Speaker 1: well you know I was. You know, I get up
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Speaker 1: at four o'clock every day and uh we did that.
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Speaker 1: That didn't freeze you? How? You know? That throws to
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Speaker 1: me a little bit. What time you get up? It
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Speaker 1: come on that? Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock.
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Speaker 1: It just depends on It just depends on what's on
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Speaker 1: my plate for the for the following day of the
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Speaker 1: following week. Um. I try to get up as early
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Speaker 1: as I possibly can, but I get to bed so
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Speaker 1: late trying to trying to catch up. I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: been playing catch up lately, especially with the with the show,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, my my career and my obligations,
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Speaker 1: responsibilities to the court, and so I've been juggling, you know,
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Speaker 1: all these responsibilities, and so it's it's been a little
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Speaker 1: bit more hectic. But I try to get up. I
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Speaker 1: mean I could never get up at four o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning, I mean if if I went to bed
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Speaker 1: earlier to that. But I try to get up at
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Speaker 1: least between seven thirty and eight o'clock every morning. Now,
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Speaker 1: I had a intro was pretty dramatic, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, you know, in nineteen and one, you
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Speaker 1: were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years,
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Speaker 1: and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If
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Speaker 1: life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We
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Speaker 1: can just go just for just good measures, just in
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Speaker 1: case you confused about the life I got some two years. Wait, no,
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Speaker 1: you And now you're sitting here next to me executive
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Speaker 1: producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents. How
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Speaker 1: does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know fifty
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Speaker 1: was a made man when I when I when I
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Speaker 1: met him, obviously. Uh. And then in addition to him
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Speaker 1: being a made man in the rap world and in business. Um.
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Speaker 1: He had already had one of the number one TV
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Speaker 1: shows Power you know on the air Stars and so UM.
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Speaker 1: I met him through uh a mutual friend. This guy
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Speaker 1: UM that I met him through. He owned an illegal
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Speaker 1: fight club. He ran an illegal fight club in the
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Speaker 1: Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah. They you know,
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Speaker 1: they did the they did the fighting things in the
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Speaker 1: in the in the warehouses and the you know the
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Speaker 1: Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was. It was
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Speaker 1: actually shut down a few times by by law enforcement. UM.
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Speaker 1: And so it was it was top of the line illegal. UM.
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Speaker 1: But he was successful in getting to three people to
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Speaker 1: come out and watch these fights. And as a as
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Speaker 1: a popularity in the in the fight group, it became
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Speaker 1: tougher to you know, to keep it on the ground.
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Speaker 1: He even had rappers to come out, Fat Joe, Remy Mall.
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Speaker 1: They came out, they would perform during intermission and he
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Speaker 1: was trying to at illegal fight club. Yeah. They got
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Speaker 1: there rapping, yeah. Yeah. And in the ring there was
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Speaker 1: a big ring. They build a ring. You know, they listened.
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Speaker 1: It was so sophisticated. They had drones that was up
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the guy beating the camera
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Speaker 1: down from the top angle and streaming that, you know,
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Speaker 1: the cell phones and everything. I mean, the guy, he
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Speaker 1: really had it put together. The problem was it was illegal.
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Speaker 1: So you know when you went to the the fifties, like
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Speaker 1: you know, fifty men, you know, you take us really
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Speaker 1: really over the top. If you come out and perform
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Speaker 1: and in fift I listen, I gotta promote promotors license
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Speaker 1: in Nevada, Nevada. If I come to your fight club,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose that. I'm not as I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: do that. He says. When you get legal, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'll come out and perform. And so you know, they
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Speaker 1: spent tens of thousands of dollar as an attorneys trying
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Speaker 1: to get legal. Fifty even passed him a couple and
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Speaker 1: fifties attorneys basically told him up front, listen, you're out
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Speaker 1: of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible, uh,
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Speaker 1: to just move through through the regulatory issues to get
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Speaker 1: something like this legal. This just can't be done. And
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Speaker 1: so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders, Darren Dean,
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Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. Uh he heard this guy.
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Speaker 1: His name is Hove. He heard him complaining, you know,
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Speaker 1: about not being able to get legal and all the
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Speaker 1: money that he spent. So so Darren says, listen, where
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Speaker 1: all these lawyers failed you. I think I got the
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Speaker 1: guy that may be able to help you out. So
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Speaker 1: he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me his issues,
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Speaker 1: and I actually went to one of the legal flight cover.
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Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and so I went to
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Speaker 1: I went to one of the the fights just to
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Speaker 1: get a feel on what was happening. And I said, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'll help you, and I got them
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Speaker 1: legal in two weeks, and fifty went out and performed,
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Speaker 1: and ut fifty went out and performed. He was like,
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Speaker 1: he was blown away. How to how in the world
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Speaker 1: were you able to do this? Who did this? Because
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Speaker 1: when he got there there was police on both sides
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Speaker 1: of the street. There was hundreds of people outside. There
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Speaker 1: was a police on both sides of the street. So
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Speaker 1: he thought fifty thought when he got there that they
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Speaker 1: were getting ready to shut it down. The actually just
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Speaker 1: driver to act the police, you know, what was up?
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Speaker 1: What's going on? So the police says a crowd control
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Speaker 1: when when you see where out here doing crowd control.
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Speaker 1: So so so like as you know, everybody going, cops,
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Speaker 1: oh go have go have fun. We're gonna make We're
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Speaker 1: just out here to make sure everybody's say, traffic flow.
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Speaker 1: So he wouldn't have performed, and you know, he was like,
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Speaker 1: how the hell did this happen? The guy explained to
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Speaker 1: fifty you know about me, about my story and that
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Speaker 1: I got them legal, and fifties like, listen, have him
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Speaker 1: in my office and next tomorrow, man, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes,
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Speaker 1: that gotta be me. So I sat down with him
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Speaker 1: and we talked, and you know, he was like, would
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Speaker 1: you let me run with this as a TV show?
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Speaker 1: You know, there was there was some talking to hear
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Speaker 1: about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his
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Speaker 1: vision was way out there. He was like, na, but
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Speaker 1: people want to want to hear this. Let me back
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Speaker 1: up a little bit, Isaac. When you say run with this,
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Speaker 1: what was this you were talking about? What the concept
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Speaker 1: was was was around a movie. And when he heard
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Speaker 1: the story, he immediately I mean I can see his
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Speaker 1: mind turning, you know, he immediately he said to me,
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Speaker 1: he says, he kind of stopped me and he said, listen,
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Speaker 1: this is not this is a movie. Can it can
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Speaker 1: be later on, but this is this is a TV show.
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Speaker 1: This is something that people want to be inspired over
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Speaker 1: every single week. Uh. And I want to be able
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Speaker 1: to be comfortable in telling this story in ways where
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Speaker 1: where we can continue to enlighten and continue to inspire
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Speaker 1: and continue to prove i'd hope to people. And so
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to do. I said, okay, and he and he made
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Speaker 1: it happen. And one of the things that that um
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Speaker 1: was very very significant to me and in dealing with
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Speaker 1: that decision that he made, is that the guy that
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Speaker 1: brought me to him, now, remember this is just an idea.
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Speaker 1: There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing. He goes
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Speaker 1: to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna pay you
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Speaker 1: for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow. I'll
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Speaker 1: have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how confident
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Speaker 1: he was and what he had and what he knew
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Speaker 1: what he could do with it. He started committing himself
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Speaker 1: before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no,
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Speaker 1: he didn't do it to me. He did it to
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Speaker 1: the guy that that brought me there. In other words,
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Speaker 1: he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: be a part of this too. But what I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna pay you in advance for an
9:57
Speaker 1: entire year for every episode that I believe that's going
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Speaker 1: that I'm I'll be able to get out the first year.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't
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Speaker 1: even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers.
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Speaker 1: Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec
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Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he
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Speaker 1: saw the road and and and he committed himself on
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Speaker 1: that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that
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Speaker 1: because I see those things, you know, I the experience
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Speaker 1: that I have in trying to survive in prison, in
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Speaker 1: a maximum security prison, and it was the only one
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Speaker 1: for seven and a half years. It was the only
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Speaker 1: one in the state. So that meant that that that
10:34
Speaker 1: every undesirable that was there was put in the same
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Speaker 1: place with everybody else. And in order to survive in
10:42
Speaker 1: that environment, you have to learn how to size a
10:45
Speaker 1: person up in zero point three seconds, I could size
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Speaker 1: you up even if you don't open your mouth. When
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Speaker 1: he did that, I knew because I was there, I
10:53
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was studying him to longer
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Speaker 1: he was studying me. I was studying him. I knew
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Speaker 1: I could roll the dice and turn my back. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked out
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Speaker 1: his office, and here I am. Are you happy? Emulated
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Speaker 1: so seven in prison? Yes, when I read your story,
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Speaker 1: it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why? Um? In
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Speaker 1: trial the first time, I represented myself from the outset,
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Speaker 1: but no legal training, no legal training, and all I
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Speaker 1: had was a high school diploma. Most of most of
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Speaker 1: the most of the grounds that I made, and most
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Speaker 1: of the law that I created, I created with the
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Speaker 1: high school diploma. While I was in prison, most of
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Speaker 1: the people that I that I got out, I got
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Speaker 1: out with a high school diploma. Um. And and and
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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I can I'm still
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Speaker 1: saying that today is because I haven't been licensed that long,
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Speaker 1: because because of the challenges that they that is, when
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Speaker 1: I actually got licensed, they investigated me. I passed the
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Speaker 1: bar actually in two thousand and eight. If if I
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Speaker 1: had been licensed after I passed the bar, I would
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Speaker 1: have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when I was
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Speaker 1: in prison by now. And Uh. But what they did
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Speaker 1: was they investigated me for another nine years, something that
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Speaker 1: should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh. They investigating
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Speaker 1: me for nine years before giving me my license, and
12:19
Speaker 1: what I literally had to do. UM, after nine years
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Speaker 1: had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her name
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Speaker 1: was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was one
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Speaker 1: of the justices that that made a landmark ruling in
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Speaker 1: my civil case. UM that for the first time in
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Speaker 1: the history of that state. It made the state viable
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Speaker 1: for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties counties
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Speaker 1: that would have been live and there was there was
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Speaker 1: all these immunities that went with it, but my case
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Speaker 1: changed that, and she was one of the judges. She retired.
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Speaker 1: UM around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired, And when
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Speaker 1: I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her, and
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Speaker 1: I located her in a law firm, very huge law
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Speaker 1: from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called her
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Speaker 1: up and she remembered who I was, and she offered
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Speaker 1: me to come in for a consultation. I sat down
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Speaker 1: with her and when she found out what was going on,
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Speaker 1: she was really appalled about it. She was it was
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Speaker 1: it was just incredible to her as a Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: controls all of that. They're the top dogs when it
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Speaker 1: comes down to not only the judicial system in the state,
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Speaker 1: but also who practices and who doesn't. If there's disciplinary actions,
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Speaker 1: they're the ones who suspends you or disciplinary disciplines you,
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Speaker 1: or or revoke your license. They control all of that.
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Speaker 1: So she basically let me know and no, no, no
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Speaker 1: small terms that uh she felt for my situation, she
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Speaker 1: uh was going to she couldn't actually represent me because
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Speaker 1: it was a conflict of interest and being that she
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Speaker 1: was on the bench during my civil case. But fortunately
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Speaker 1: her husband was also a partner at the firm, and
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Speaker 1: so she says, what I'm going to do is I'm
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Speaker 1: going to let my husband represent you. That's me. My
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Speaker 1: husband represents me and I represent him. Um, and being
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Speaker 1: that I was on the bench, they understand what that means.
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Speaker 1: So he came in and within six months I had
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Speaker 1: a license. Within after nine years when he came in
14:28
Speaker 1: within six months, I had a license. And there's a
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Speaker 1: picture of me. You can see it on the internet.
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Speaker 1: It's all over the internet, and it's on my Instagram
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Speaker 1: of me being sworn in. There's a lady with with
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Speaker 1: blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair, an older lady
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Speaker 1: swearing me in. That sir, that's a retired chief not
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Speaker 1: Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme Court of the Congratulations.
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Speaker 1: This problem is nationwide and and people are in their effects,
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Speaker 1: predominantly people of color. And so when you hear me
14:55
Speaker 1: say something like that, does it get you mad, motivates
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Speaker 1: you for change? It doesn't. It doesn't get me mad
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Speaker 1: at all. Uh, it motivates, It motivates me for change
15:05
Speaker 1: and and and to be honest with you. Um, And
15:10
Speaker 1: this is a controversial statement that I'm gonna make, but
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Speaker 1: I really believe in it. I think as as minorities,
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Speaker 1: as as blacks, um, we've been we've been mad for
15:19
Speaker 1: a long time. And I think I think we should
15:23
Speaker 1: because being mad takes a lot of energy. And I
15:27
Speaker 1: think if we refocused as a people, refocused that energy
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Speaker 1: on making changes, because we're a powerful people, well we really,
15:36
Speaker 1: we really really are and a lot of times anger
15:39
Speaker 1: has a has a way of distorting the way you
15:43
Speaker 1: think and the decisions that you make. Um. But if
15:46
Speaker 1: if we can if we can uh refocus a lot
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Speaker 1: of anger into action. Uh. You know, I think we
15:54
Speaker 1: can move mountains as a people. Uh. And and you know,
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Speaker 1: even for me being in the situation that I was in,
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Speaker 1: there was room for for a lot of anger, for
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Speaker 1: for for being enraged, and and just to just to
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Speaker 1: give you an example of what I'm saying, there was
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Speaker 1: a there was a time early on when I had
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Speaker 1: a decided that I was going to represent myself. And
16:19
Speaker 1: you know that was a you talk about when you
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Speaker 1: represent yourself in court, in court, yes, in my during
16:24
Speaker 1: my my my trials. Um. You know, I had made
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Speaker 1: a decision early on that I was going to represent myself.
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Speaker 1: And I remember I was in my cell working on
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Speaker 1: a on an emotion, and um, I was I was
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Speaker 1: working almost all night, and I fell asleep in the
16:42
Speaker 1: middle of writing the motion, and maybe an hour or
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Speaker 1: two I woke back up and I decided that I
16:49
Speaker 1: was going to pick up where I left off, and
16:51
Speaker 1: I began to read what I had written just to
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Speaker 1: kind of get myself acquainted with it again and started
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Speaker 1: where I left off. And and when I started reading,
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Speaker 1: I began to look around because it seemed to me
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Speaker 1: that there was something wrong. That was I was beginning
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Speaker 1: to look around to see where those papers were that
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Speaker 1: I was working on, where that emotion was that I
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Speaker 1: was working on, because I didn't even recognize what I
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Speaker 1: was reading it was it was so it was so
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Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion and anger that I didn't recognize myself.
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Speaker 1: I didn't recognize the person that had written it. And
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Speaker 1: that was That was a divine moment for me because
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Speaker 1: it it took me somewhere mentally and emotionally that I
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Speaker 1: needed to go in the sense that that I was
17:37
Speaker 1: never going to have the kind of focus that I
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Speaker 1: needed to have in order to get myself out of
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Speaker 1: this situation being burdened down with negative emotions um and
17:48
Speaker 1: anger is a very negative emotion. Sometimes it's well placed,
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Speaker 1: but most of the time, anger is a very very
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Speaker 1: misplaced emotion. The moment I decided that I was going
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Speaker 1: to manage and control all that I had to learn
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Speaker 1: to separate myself from my that emotional state, and the
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Speaker 1: moment I did that, uh, I moved into a moment
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24:53
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28:46
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