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The Plant & Charlo show · Boxing B-Sides

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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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Gotta, I gotta do my wind up. It's like, I'm
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a pitcher with this one. Lock in. Yeah. We ready
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to rock. Fucking roll, baby. Ready to fucking
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roll. Boxing B -sides. Back up in your fucking
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ears. Joined by the homies. Alex, Josh. The one
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and only Alex. How could I have forgotten? One
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and only. How we doing fellas? Alex. Come on.
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Leave that last podcast. Leave that on the last
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podcast. That's a legacy. For all intents and
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purposes, I was under the influence of Joshua's
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yapping. Yeah. Right, right. Alright guys. Yeah,
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you were just flowing. You were weaving. It was
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a fuck up. Yeah, we did get a text. We did get
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a text on that one from good old Matt saying,
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Don King is bad. What the hell? Hey, that's rage
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bait. That's a good way to put it. oh man all
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right we got a lot to get into so um just really
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quick extending the olive branch to our fellows
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over at ultimate effing casuals wherever you're
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listening to this you can find ultimate effing
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casuals there too if you're into mma or you're
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mma curious then this week uh it's fucking really
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light there's an event on saturday it's not very
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good so i just wanted to point this one out really
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quick uh on the 30th It's going to be, that's
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a Friday. It'll be in the morning, starting around
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like 5 .30 on the West Coast. In Thailand, it's
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One Friday Fights. That's like their development
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prospect hunting series. It's mostly Muay Thai.
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So if you like boxing and you're like a purist,
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but maybe you want to try it out, Muay Thai is
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brutal. There's no grappling allowed. There's
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no grabbing. The only way that you can clinch,
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you are actively kneeing each other or elbowing
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each other. It's the only way you can clinch.
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So it's a good sampler if you want to try crossing
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the street a little bit. I like Muay Thai, so
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I'm always going to promote it the best I can.
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Fair enough. The highlights I see on Instagram
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are usually pretty fun. It's good. Shanada was
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always reticent to try, and then once she did,
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it was like, wow, what have I been missing? But
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let's move into our recaps here. Wednesday, May
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14th, as the Australians are wont to do, they
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had their fights. It was started around 1 in
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the morning on the West Coast here. A lot of
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shit on here, but the only one I really wanted
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to point out was Sam Goodman. He gets a pretty
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lame UD over the unknown, unheralded Cesar Vaca.
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A lot of cuts on Sam Goodman's face. It's unusual.
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Yeah, it sounds like pretty standard fare for
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a Sam Goodman event. Standard, Sammy? Yeah. Shrug.
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Yeah, I just like to point out the people who
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like the Contenders. Bro wasted a good couple
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months of Inouye's career in his prime, so shrug.
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Yeah, fuck San Diego. Saturday, May 17th. There
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are a few cards on here. None of them are major,
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but there are a lot of good stuff that happens
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here. The matchroom one was major. Major outcome.
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Yeah. So just two leading up to the main event,
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George Liddard, TKO5 over Aaron Sutton, and Kieran
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Conway, TKO4 over Jerome Warburton. Shouting
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those out for Lynn. She's getting onboarded into
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the familia. Yeah, that looks bad. She's coming
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on to one of the podcasts? Yeah, it's Boxing
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Before Dark. She's going to be the... Brit box,
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Brit slop, fucking expert. Brit slop enjoyer.
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One day we're going to have him on the show,
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dude. I'm going to tell you something. He is
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very, very passionate. I know. I kind of want
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to go toe -to -toe with her about Berlanga and
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Shiraz, dude. I don't know if you guys know about
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the Shiraz Berlanga beef that we have. No, I
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didn't. I didn't know you had anything going
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on. Well, there was one day in the server, and
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you can look it up, where I made the claim that
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Berlanga was going to kick Shiraz's ass because
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Shiraz is ass. Shiraz, right? Yeah. Shiraz. Long,
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like, one -page rant about how Berlanga has done
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nothing in his career and how Shiraz has done
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so much in so little time. And it was like, part
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of it that I said was it was kind of rage bait.
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To the fans out there, I'm going to tell you
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right now, I'm praying at least that Berlanga
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KOs to Roz. And I think he can. Maybe. But yeah,
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she was really passionate about that. To the
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point where she made a bet to everybody in the
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server at that time that if she Roz loses, she'll
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give $10 to each person in the server. At least
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that was active. That is very passionate. Holy
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shit. She should buy us several cases of ramen
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instead. You might be fucking church of chicken,
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dude. I'm like, God, are you that passionate,
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dude? I want to speak to you about some boxing.
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Like, on the live, on the mic. You know what
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I mean? Bring it on here one day. I'm looking
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at their resumes and Hamza doesn't have a whole
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lot going on here. I'm not sure what... I think
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it's just like the personal British bias where...
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Oh, yeah. making a big deal out of tyler denny
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yeah it's like isaac's canelo bias yeah you guys
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know you guys know about number two right you
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guys got of course okay yeah he said he's gonna
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ko fucking skull sorry you know what say this
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again on the mic bro that was wild okay you're
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you're my invincible you're my my kishan bro
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fair take if you think uh If you hadn't watched
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Skull before, fair enough take. If you haven't
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seen Canelo in two years, that's a fair enough
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take. Skull is shitty enough to get KO'd by Canelo.
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He just didn't even want to be there to get KO'd.
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I'm getting rage baited. This isn't even rage
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bait. Skull fucking stinks. I think there's more
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to the part of Canelo. No, we already had this
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discussion. It's just a repeat, bro. This is
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going to be a repeat. Yeah, this is going to
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be a rehash. All right. Moving into the main
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event here. David Allen stops Johnny Fisher in
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five. Holy crap. Stops. Capital, all letters.
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Stops. Johnny Fisher. Oh, yeah. Johnny Fisher
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is the closest he's ever been to an AJ fight
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at this point. Is this the end of the Bosch?
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No, he's just the new Dave Allen. Oh, he's taking
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his place. We talked about this. We've talked
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about this. Johnny Fisher is going to get put
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in because he sells tickets like Dave Allen did.
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Yeah, he's going to be put on the undercards
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for stuff that's not selling very well. Yeah,
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like the automatic injection of tickets against
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like... actually good prospects like if you remember
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dave allen dave allen's fought guys like italian
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white and luis ortiz and like like he kind of
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broke into relevancy when he uh when nick webb
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was supposed to be good and it turned out he
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wasn't he's gonna be fighting pretty early right
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yeah the same for say uh fourth round yeah yeah
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he's having but it's gonna be that It's going
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to be that type of up and down where he's the
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new Dave Allen. Who's Dave Allen now? I don't
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know. The guy AJ's going to break in half or
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get well -fied. Two fights away from AJ? Yeah.
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That's why I said Johnny Fisher's the new Dave
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Allen. That's why he's two fights away from AJ
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now. He's two fights away from AJ. Dave Allen's
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two fights away from Tyson Fury. That's assuming
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Tyson Fury comes back. He said he's not coming
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back. Yeah, so he says. So he says. Oh, he said.
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What could be next for David Allen? Like, legitimately,
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I know that we're, like, memeing about AJ and
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stuff. No, like an AJ -AJ and, like, a get -well
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fight. Because AJ's, like... Oh, he's having
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surgery and he's not going to be back. There's
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not much for AJ that is, like, 100 % guaranteed
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confidence. Can I say something for David Allen?
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Fire away. I think he would be the perfect fight
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for Moses Aitaba. No, I think Moses is beyond
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him. I agree, but also I like Dave Allen. I think
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we're going to talk about Moses next week or
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this week? I think that's next. I think it's
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next week, yeah. Okay, and we'll talk about him
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more next time. I like Dave Allen too much. Let
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him cash out with an AJ fight. AJ does need a
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fight for confidence real bad. I don't think
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it's debatable, but any dangerous heavyweight
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probably scares AJ into not fighting his best
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after what happened with Dubois. You know what?
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We'll see. If that happens, we'll see. We'll
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see what happens. I think that Itama's a little
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bit too early, a little too fresh to be put in
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with David Allen. Not that he couldn't win. That's
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not what I mean. But he's still not... The metal
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isn't hot enough for the David Allen heat, if
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that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. Someone
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who's a little bit further along, like, what's
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his name? Fabio Wardley? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That
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level of guy, I think, is where you want to have
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David Allen next. Assuming Fabio Wardley gets
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past Justice Hooney, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Which
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he should. He should. He totally should. But
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I'm not going to say he should, because I have...
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That beef with Lynn, myself. Justice Hooney's
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gonna win. I don't even really care that much
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about Justice Hooney, but... I was about to say,
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Australian heavyweight, like... Yeah. That's
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it. That's it. Australian heavyweight. For David
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Allen... Isn't Dillian White coming up? Oh, he
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actually, I think he beats Dillian Wade. I do
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too. Not by knockout or anything, but just by
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a decision where David Allen is somehow the less
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washed, less fat old man. That would be a pretty
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alright fight, I guess. Yeah, I think it'd be
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okay. Battle of the washed? Yeah. I don't think
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Dave Allen... I think Dave Allen's aged well
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in terms of he isn't washed because he kind of
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never was, you know? I agree to disagree, I guess.
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He never really had a peak. This might be his
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peak. Career peak doesn't line up with his physical
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peak. Even when he was in shape, though... He
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weirdly boxed worse when he was in shape. Like
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he's got, he's very, very strange. How he like,
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he's either been in shape and had like nothing.
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It's like even Lucas Brown pieced him up before
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he put Lucas Brown away. But like here, I think
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it might be just be Johnny Fisher making him
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look good too. But he's displayed some competence
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lately that he kind of didn't have prior. Murat
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Gassiev. Yeah, that's some expired stock. White.
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Yeah, White. I think White. White and then AJ,
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if AJ still needs that confidence builder. Depending
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on the turnaround time, because AJ's in surgery
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and won't be ready until... Around the end of
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June. That's why you do White. You do White first,
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and then AJ, he probably, he has surgery, but
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he also needs time to, like, retrain, basically.
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Yeah. And rehab, so the timeline would line up.
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You make White and Allen in, like, July, and
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then in the late fall, you give AJ the confidence
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builder of the winter. On, like, a Riyadh car
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or something? Yeah. Like, AJ just, like, both
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guys, like, AJ does both guys dirty. But AJ needs
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that confidence so bad. They could probably do
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it on the Ben Eubank rematch if they were doing
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it. Ben Eubank rematch. You put AJ Allen on the
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Ben Eubank. That would sell. That would actually
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sell. But, like, oh, boy. How times have changed,
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man. Chris Eubanks still not fighting any actual
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world beaters. AJ still fighting. He did fight
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Conor Benn. Conor Benn is not a world -class
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opponent, bro. That was a world -class fight.
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I'm not calling it a world -class opponent. I'm
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just saying it was a world -class fight. I guess.
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That fight was better than most of the fights
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this year. And most of the world class fights
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this year. This is a slight... That's a negative
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for this year. Yeah, I guess you could say that.
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That's a negative for this year. I'm not gonna...
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No, it's not. Well, you know, there's still been
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a lot of good fights this year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Fair enough. I think it's gotta be unfair to
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the year itself. It's not like it was during
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the boxing dark ages of a couple years ago. Yeah,
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Matchroom Fight Camp, Dark Ages. Those were the
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days. Those were the days. Those were dark times.
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I actually didn't mind the trailer cards. They
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were stupid, but fun. Actually, we're coming
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up on that time of the year where we're going
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to be picking our best of the year so far. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. My first award selection. Anything
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more for David Allen and Johnny Fisher? Welcome
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to British journeyman status, Fisher. He'll be
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stuck there until he beats the next Johnny Fisher.
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The next Rhino? He's the next Rhino. He's the
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even whiter Rhino. Bosh. Bosh. Big John closed
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all his Instagram comments down after the loss.
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Oh, I'm sure he did. He started getting fucking
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trolled on Instagram. It was hilarious. Good.
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No, he deserves it. It was hilarious. But he
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was getting fucking trolled. We'd love to see
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it. Marv Nation, same day, Thunder Studios. Man,
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Marv Nation's still around. That's crazy. That's
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the real headline. They popped up as, like, a
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joke. How many years ago? Like, they're the BLK
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Prime of their day, bro. They were a joke. Yeah.
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And now here they are promoting some of the Vargas
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kids. It's sad. Fernando Vargas should be, like,
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you know, probably a golden boy. There's a crazy
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amount of Vargases. You can't sign them all.
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Yeah. There's so many of them. Top rank is two
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out of three with the... Top rank took the good
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ones. With the Davis ones. Yeah. But Fernando
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Vargas Jr., the oldest, and I think the largest
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of the Vargas brothers. He's the least amount
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of upside. Unfortunately. Yeah. Nothing wrong
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with him. He's still pretty good. It's just like
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the other two Vargases are more promising talents.
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I disagree. I don't like Amato's. I'm not too
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keen on Amato either. I'm not a big fan of his.
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I think it goes Amato, Fernando, and Miliano.
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Miliano, obviously to Miliano. That's funny because
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he's a lot better than the other two. A lot better.
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They're both trained by the same guy. All of
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them are trained by the same guy. Yeah. I feel
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like it's also just age too at some point. Like,
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I feel like you can still, like, Amado, at least,
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like, he's still got four years. He's four years
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younger than Vargas Jr., so I guess if you treat
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him like a project guy, you can still work him
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up. Yeah, he's still climbing up, and he's doing
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better, like, every time. Like, he's a project
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guy for sure, but I feel like time's on his side
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for top rank. He's going to go the route of Lindolfo.
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You know, he might gain some notoriety a little
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later on, but I don't think he's going to touch
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a title at any time, in my opinion. That's a
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business, sadly. Emiliano's the one. Emiliano
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is the one, but, I mean, Amato is more deserving
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of any kind of push than, what's it, Nico Ali
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-Walsh. Is he still getting pushed? Not that.
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No, he's done. Finally, they were still pushing
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him for a while. I can't believe that. I just
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recently figured out that he was related to Muhammad
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Ali. I don't believe you. That was the whole
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marketing. Barely. I can't believe that. Half
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grandnephew six times removed. You know what?
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I think if they marketed that, they probably
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could have made a million money off that dude.
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They did. That's all they said. No, they didn't,
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bro. No, they didn't. No, they didn't. I did
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not hear that one time. That was Tom Frank's
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whole marketing thing. This is news to me, man.
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I have no idea where this is. This is news to
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me. If they marketed Nico Ali Walsh as fucking
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Muhammad Ali's grandson, dude, that would have
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been selling stadiums. The issue is that he sucks.
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The issue is that he sucks really badly. Like,
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you can't. Like, there's not a shred of that.
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I'll leave blood in him. I could not believe
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it. He sucks. He sucks so much. Under the top
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-ranked protection program, he's 10 -2. Isn't
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it 10 -2 -1? Because he got that lucky draw.
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He got that draw, and then it got changed to
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a no contest because his opponent did some weed.
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Oh, that doesn't count. That counts as a win
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for the opponent. Are you kidding me? You handicap
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yourself like that. Oh, Pauno was smoking weed
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and got popped for it. So that's, I mean, 10
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-2 -1 in the top -ranked protection program is
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crazy. Yeah. He must have not really been that
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good of a fighter. No, like, because they fed
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him, like, club fighters exclusively. But, like,
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not even the, like, not seasoned ones, like,
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just club fighters. If he was a PBC, he would
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have gotten a title by now. I guarantee you.
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I don't dare. I think PBC would have put him
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with a trainer who can actually train. Yeah.
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Instead of just the top -ranked gym. You think
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Fernando Vargas could have beat Niko? Yes. Yeah.
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A million times, yes. Niko's so bad. Yeah. Niko's
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so bad. Niko is actually ass. He's so bad. Yeah,
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he's a commentator now. I really like his commentary.
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Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised that his commentary
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is pretty good. He's still growing into himself
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with it. Moving to 360 promotions. There's only
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three that I wanted to point out here. Omar Trinidad
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gets a UD over Alexander Espinosa. Another kind
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of boring decision for Omar. Nah, he'll get a
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shot someday. Right. He's got a WBC trinket.
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He'll work his way up. Especially in featherweight,
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it's pretty open. Mizuki Hiruta, UD over Carla
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Marino. WBO super flyweight title was on the
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line. Not even close. No, one -sided beatdown.
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Not even close. Mizuki's on the... Collision
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course with Gabby Fundora. I don't think it goes
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well for her. For Mizuki, I mean. No, but she'll
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still be a good opponent for... It would be a
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good fight. I think it would be a good fight,
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for sure. The best you can hope is that it's
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competitive here and we're not just watching
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Gabby waste away with subpar opposition. It's
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good that good opponents are coming up the challenge.
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Is it subpar competition or is it the lack of
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competition as well? It's both. It's both. Well,
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the thing is that you want her to fight good
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opponents, but if she makes them look bad, there's
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nothing wrong with that. So it's good that there's
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good opponents coming up. If they don't match
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up to her, that's fine. The issue is when you
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run into a Clarissa Shields moment where you
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don't have good opponents and they're just beneath
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you. You'd make them look like fools to begin
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with. Yeah, Clarissa Shields is kind of cooked.
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No, she has no good competition ever Any like
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realistic weight class I mean it's better it's
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better than it used to be it used to be like
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you'd get to two fighters in the sport period
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yeah who are any good like here at least it's
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like Like, the fact that we got Katie Taylor
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and Amanda Serrano in the same vicinity of weight
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classes is pretty good. Yeah, lucky. Clarissa
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Shields in the upper weight classes, hopefully
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that gets more people in there. And, of course,
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Gabby Fundura is going to fry people in the lower
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weight classes. But, again, there's going to
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be good opponents coming up, which is, like,
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again, there used to be, like, two good women
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in the sport, period. And maybe they'd fight
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each other with one making, like, severe concessions
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in the weight class department. We'll see what
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happens with her. Yeah, yeah. Again, at the very
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least, it's going to be a good fight on paper.
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Sure. Well, Mizuki is still fun. She's got her
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fun little ring attire. Does this big reveal
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every time. It's still pretty enjoyable. What
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was not? quite as enjoyable. Sergei Bochuk versus
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Michael Fox. Yeah, Bochuk kind of got away with
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that one. Yeah, it was a bit of a stinker. A
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little bit. I'll tell you, it's funny how fast
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the boxing fans switch up because of the server,
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dude. It went from, oh my god, Bochuk is must
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-watch television to he's overrated, he's washed.
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He's a bum. I don't know about all that. Jesus.
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I don't know, but that's always how online discourse
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is, though. That's what I'm saying. I'm just
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saying how I saw this already. I'm an NBA Twitter
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fiend. It's the same thing. Seven game series,
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but one game it's a super team and the other
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game it's a... Oh, man. They'd lose to college
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teams. Yeah, like the... Here's the list of WNBA
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players I'd rather have. That being said, BoJack
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definitely got away with this one. Michael Fox
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employed a good game plan. I don't know. It might
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have been a style thing too, honestly. Yeah.
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made it kind of boring but you know what i mean
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i i i just think it's it is one fight dude always
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had some you know decent fights yeah i don't
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mind i just think this is way too close than
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what it should have been yeah of course again
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one but one bad night but i mean i guess this
27:24
might be good for bojack overall might convince
27:26
someone to take him as an opponent I hope so.
27:30
Get him off of UFC Fight Pass, hopefully. Bo
27:33
Chuck is low reward, very high risk, but now
27:38
with this performance being kind of shitty, the
27:42
risk is definitely down. Not as much risk. It
27:47
was hard to find that stream, too. I cannot understand
27:52
this UFC Fight Pass shit. Oh, man, that's just
27:59
what it is. I love how UFC Fight Pass is part
28:03
of the UFC. It's Dana White, right? It is. So
28:06
why the fuck are they trying to do fucking TKO
28:08
then? Well, they're trying to do that with Turkey
28:13
Al -Ashiq. Why didn't Turkey buy out UFC Fight
28:16
Pass itself? Or something? I think it's easier
28:23
to start your own promotion than to buy out an
28:25
American promotion. Buying a 360. That one shouldn't
28:29
be as hard because they're not very big, but
28:33
still, it would be easier to start your own.
28:38
I guess. I mean, it's not even a promotion. It's
28:42
going to be a fucking league, apparently. I don't
28:44
believe that. It doesn't look like it's going
28:47
to be much of anything after Turkey seems a little
28:49
pulled out. Oh, yeah. The drama with Las Vegas.
28:55
Paris Crawford and Canelo are going to be on
28:57
Saturday again. Once again. They're going to
29:00
be competing with the UFC. Oh, well, hopefully.
29:03
I remember Canelo Kovalev had a nice nap before
29:07
the fight. Oh, yeah. This fight is going to dominate
29:13
that weekend for sure. Legendary screenshot.
29:18
Both of them laying down and chilling. Gloves
29:22
already on. Yeah. So what... We were talking
29:29
about low -risk or low -reward, high -risk for
29:34
Bohochuk. What could be next for him? Honestly,
29:38
like, any of the... Someone who thinks... Someone
29:40
who needs to take that jump for a title shot
29:43
probably takes a fight with Bohochuk now. Just
29:46
on risk -reward. Not boots. Did you see that
29:50
Brian Norman rejected... $1 .3 million to fight
29:55
Boots? No, I didn't. $1 .3 million? I see that.
29:58
Yeah. They rejected a good deal to fight Boots
30:02
saying they weren't paying him enough, and I'm
30:03
like, I mean, I get it. They're overpaying you
30:06
right now, buddy. Yeah, $1 .3 million is overpaying.
30:09
Hearn alleges more, but also, like, take that
30:12
with a grain of salt. How much did Arastadionis
30:15
make? Probably about the same, honestly. It was
30:19
a Riaj event. Still, like, a million dollars
30:23
for Brian Norman is a good deal. Yeah. Have a
30:28
duck, bro. Like, I get it. You probably want
30:32
to cash... Like, if you're negotiating with Boots,
30:35
you definitely want to cash out with a Riage
30:36
card fight to make it a bid at least worth your
30:40
time. Because I don't think... I think Boots
30:43
beats his ass real bad. But, I mean... if we're
30:50
like that's why that's what i mean that like
30:51
turkeys ruin this ship because everyone like
30:54
a cash out would be a cash out should be like
30:57
a billion dollars for a fighter who isn't on
31:00
who honestly doesn't sell that good but now we're
31:03
in the what the where's my 20 million dollar
31:06
paycheck from turkey when it's like that's what
31:10
i mean by turkeys ruin the uh the economy of
31:15
a cash out fights honestly even then I mean,
31:20
as much as you hate Turkey, bro, at the same
31:22
time, even if Turkey wasn't involved, I feel
31:25
like he probably still wouldn't take that fight.
31:28
He wouldn't take it, but I'm saying, like, it
31:31
wouldn't be for, you couldn't just say, it is,
31:34
like, you can't hide behind Turkey Alashik isn't
31:37
paying me $20 million like she did this other
31:40
guy. from other people yeah because it like like
31:43
like the inflation would be like hey maybe uh
31:47
like you know that that overvaluation would be
31:49
like hey give me two million instead instead
31:51
of give me tens of millions of dollars to lose
31:55
yeah yeah no you're right you're right right
32:00
it's just the it's just the inflation of the
32:04
sport here we're like like by and i mean Even
32:08
with the fact that we got to this point where
32:10
people are expecting Eddie Hearn to give out
32:12
even anything above a million, it happened because
32:15
of Matchroom America. If you remember that era
32:18
when we were giving Demetrius Andrade and Tevin
32:21
Farmer $10 million. The good old days. We were
32:26
giving them millions of dollars to fight Liam
32:29
Williams and Jono Carroll. I still find that
32:34
egregious. I still think it's so fucking egregious.
32:38
That fucking Demetrius, out of all the boxers
32:40
that they could have given millions of dollars
32:41
to, it had to be Kevin Farmer and Demetrius.
32:43
Devin Haney and Demetrius Andrade. Yeah, that
32:47
was the other one, was Devin Haney. Yeah, like,
32:50
Devin Haney getting his, like, getting an actual
32:53
knockout and breaking his hand into, like, 20
32:56
pieces on a Logan Paul KSI undercard for, like,
33:01
$2 million. Like, it's ridiculous. And Haney
33:04
got the dog in him, at least. It's ridiculous.
33:07
He got that dog in him at the time. Billy Joe
33:10
Saunders also got paid way too much. Billy Joe
33:15
Saunders, man. He's a Brit. Lots of guys. He
33:19
was on Matchroom America. He was on their payroll.
33:22
So he got paid way too much. Matchroom USA? Yeah,
33:25
it was the thing when DAZN first broke out into
33:28
the boxing scene. Leonard Blatnovic. I know Billy
33:32
Joe Saunders was part of that payroll. That's
33:34
crazy. He's a Brit guy, but he fought on, like,
33:38
the Logan Paul undercard. And even then, he's
33:40
had the Matchroom USA branding. Yeah. It's a
33:45
lot of, like, that's what I mean. Eddie Hearn
33:50
has basically gone from blank check to blank
33:52
check, and it's ruined, like, these fighters
33:55
that, like, maybe when they're cashing out, they'd
33:58
see a million bucks. Instead, now everyone makes
34:02
a million bucks and we're stuck with guys being
34:06
able to duck fights and price themselves out
34:08
by asking for 20 million when, like, come on,
34:11
man, when was the last time you sold above 10
34:14
,000 pay -per -views? It sounds like you're kind
34:16
of an inverse... I don't know the fucking word.
34:20
But you're kind of supporting the Dana White
34:22
argument. That sounds like it. No, but they should
34:25
get paid what they're valued. Leo, I think we
34:29
gotta... Dana White good? No, this isn't Dana
34:35
White good. Dana White gives these guys scraps.
34:39
It's not the same. It's not the same. I literally
34:43
wrote an article about how Dana White's a cancer.
34:45
Yeah. I have the paper trail. I have the paper
34:51
trail. I think Dana White's a cancer. But I think
34:55
people should get paid what they're worth. This
34:59
doesn't mean pay them $20 million more than what
35:02
they're worth. And it doesn't mean pay them less
35:07
than a line cook either. If you sell good, you
35:12
should get paid for what you sell. If you don't
35:15
sell good, you should still get paid. But not,
35:18
like, all the wealth in the world. All jokes
35:23
aside, you're totally right. You should not be
35:25
paying $10 million to run around the ring with
35:28
those emails. Like, the excuse should not be,
35:31
you are not paying me all the wealth in Fort
35:34
Knox. The excuse should just be, I don't think
35:37
I'm ready for this guy. Like, you're just giving
35:39
guys an excuse. And I hate saying fucking because,
35:42
honestly, it's Eddie Hearn. There's probably
35:44
six different terms that probably went right
35:47
against Brian Norman. You know how promoters
35:50
always are. I would rather say that they're actually
35:54
not ready for a fight than say that they weren't
35:58
paid how much they were worth. You know what
36:00
I mean? Yeah, because I know, like, I don't want
36:05
to fight boots for a blank reason is way easier
36:08
than... You're only paying me $1 .3 million.
36:16
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Friday, May 30th. Matchroom in Guadalajara at
40:01
the Domo Alcalde. This one's headlined by Manuel
40:06
Gallegos versus Khalil Coe. This is apparently
40:09
a rematch. Yes. For a light heavyweight trinket
40:13
in the WBC. But the real attraction here to me
40:19
is Murojan Akhmadaliev, a .k .a. MJ, versus Luis
40:22
Castillo. This should be fun. I'm looking forward
40:26
to this. That one should be fun. Khalil Coe.
40:32
I kind of rate Khalil Coe, but, like, he's very
40:35
much someone who, like, yeah, you met someone
40:37
your size, finally. Because his career up to
40:41
now, up to the last loss against Gallegos, was,
40:44
like, guys who were technically light heavyweights,
40:47
but definitely undersized. Like... Like, 168ers
40:57
who definitely moved up or just don't belong.
41:01
Like, they don't want to cut. Oh, yeah, they
41:03
don't want to cut. That makes sense. Yeah, like,
41:05
Bunit Bisla fights, like, near his weight. And
41:10
you could just see the size difference when he
41:12
got in the ring with Khalil. Khalil, I'll tell
41:16
you, man. The Legos is actually his size. For
41:19
the first couple rounds of that fight, he was
41:21
fighting pretty good. Khalil. Yeah. But again,
41:24
someone his own size. He just can't bully this
41:27
guy, though. Exactly. He's just too small for
41:32
him. He's a huge 175, but I mean, 175 is already
41:39
kind of a land of giants anyways. Remember Zerdo
41:44
175? Apparently. Hey, are you waiting for Bivol?
41:51
Fight Day Wait was at like 220 for Bivol. Yeah.
41:57
Like Land of Giants. Yeah, Land of Giants at
42:03
this point. Anything more for this one before
42:11
we move on to the other card that's on at the
42:14
same time? Nope. All right. Golden Boy in Las
42:19
Vegas. This card's pretty light. This is a lot
42:23
of prospects. Headline is pretty good, though.
42:26
Darius Fulgham versus Bektamir Melikuziev, a
42:31
.k .a. Beck the Bully. Eric Priest in the co
42:35
-main versus Luis Arias. That's a pretty good
42:37
fight. Eric Priest is on the come -up. He's pretty
42:43
solid. I'm not saying he's going to be a world
42:45
champion or anything, but he's solid. And Luis
42:49
Arias is a good test. So that should be a good
42:52
one. But yeah, Darius Fulgham versus Bektamir.
42:57
Should be all right. Hopefully. I think Bektamir
42:59
gets it done. Even though he got rocked by Gabe
43:04
Rosado. Late stage Gabe Rosado. I still rate
43:07
Beck as a pretty decent opponent. Or a pretty
43:11
decent fighter. He's a good brother. He's a good...
43:13
Oh, yeah. That's why it's a good fight. But Beck's
43:18
a good offensive fighter. But if he doesn't get
43:22
going, he kind of... He just doesn't get going
43:26
much. Very limited. Very limited if he can't
43:30
land his body shots. We'll see what happens to
43:34
that fight. Yeah. Should be good. And the main
43:42
reason we are here... Alright, looking good on
43:47
time. Alright, PVC on Prime at the Michelob Ultra
43:50
Arena in Las Vegas. Holy shit, this is more information
43:54
for a PVC card than I usually have. It's a great
43:58
card. Good PVC card, too. A lot of stuff going
44:01
on here. And it's free. Oh, that's right. If
44:05
you have Prime, it's... it's free on prime you
44:08
should you should you should just have prime
44:10
to begin with this is in the year of our lord
44:14
2025 like whatever the other faults of amazon
44:20
as a company prime is a good service to pay for
44:23
it like it's worth the money yeah it definitely
44:25
gets me yeah like like just like the fact that
44:28
you get music streaming uh cheap shipping Invincible.
44:34
And I think they have a deal where you either
44:36
get Dash Pass or whatever, like delivery services
44:40
close to you. Yeah. Really? I'll have to look
44:44
into it. It's sadly, like, yeah, Amazon is definitely
44:49
an evil corporation, but at the very least, they
44:54
give you a service worth your dollar. They're
44:57
kind of evil. They're still evil. They're an
45:01
evil corporation for sure. But they're not scamming.
45:05
They're not scamming you. Prime, please sponsor
45:09
ProBucks. Well, the ProBucks fights, you can
45:12
watch on Prime, so. I think ProBucks is good.
45:16
ProBucks is good, always. Yeah, you actually
45:18
can. Amazon and Roku, or just on the ProBucks
45:21
app. Very nice. This is a good PVC card. Any
45:32
highlights you want to highlight? Yeah, a few
45:33
coming up from the bottom. Kermel Moten versus
45:36
Miyamate Mastropa. Rennie Miyamate Mastropa.
45:41
Another step -up fight? Another one for... I
45:44
don't know. Is this a step -up fight? No, this
45:47
is just like a nice... Still a stay -busy. Again,
45:52
he's a fresh 18 -year -old with seven fights.
45:56
Seven and oh, yeah. This is a good... Are you
45:58
using the wrong verbal? I used the wrong wording.
46:02
I meant like, you know. Keep it stepping. I believe.
46:05
Rather than step up. Yeah. Yeah, keep it up.
46:07
I do believe in Kermel, but this is very much
46:12
we're going to continue putting him in front
46:15
of a camera while he develops. Yeah. Because
46:17
he's still easy. Despite his immense talent,
46:21
he's still a project guy. He can still get better.
46:25
For you. There's a lot of things you can do.
46:27
that you think Ruban could make him a star of
46:32
the future. Yeah. Isaac Lucero versus Luis Valenzuela.
46:38
I'm not sure who these guys are, to be honest
46:40
with you. I've seen their names before, but it's
46:43
two undefeated guys, so that should be fun. Yeah,
46:48
always fun. The only Hernandez. Versus Kyron
46:54
Davis. Honestly, this is the one I'm looking
46:58
forward to the most on the card. No disrespect
47:00
to Kyron Davis, but Hernandez, Cuban who can
47:06
punch, never a boring watch. I'm going to be
47:10
honest, dude. I think this one can go either
47:12
way. It is very early in Hernandez's pro career,
47:19
so you're right. It's also 27, which is the Cuban
47:24
40. The Chiron dude, Chiron, he's not bad. Not
47:30
bad at all. I think if he wanted to, I think
47:33
he could take it. I wouldn't count him out if
47:36
I were you. Oh, no, not counting him out at all.
47:40
No. Had a draw with Anthony Durrell. Not bad.
47:45
Got his ass kicked by David Benavidez. That lasted
47:48
longer than I expected. Yeah, that's to be expected,
47:51
honestly. And Elijah Garcia, he... That should
47:56
not have been a split decision. No, that was
47:58
not a split. He took him to school on that one.
48:02
He's a good opponent. The Cuban school, the new
48:09
version of it, the puncher type, like Luis Ortiz,
48:13
Yuri Orkuskembo, David Morel. Even Lara Ish when
48:21
he wants to. In the latter stages. Heirs Lady.
48:25
Heirs Lady Alvarez. It's going to be. Moving
48:30
up, Jermall Charlo versus Tommy LaManna. Where
48:36
have I seen Tommy LaManna? If Jermall isn't washed,
48:40
he kind of wipes out LaManna. Portionally. But
48:46
Jermall might be very washed, though. That's
48:50
exactly what I was going to say. I don't know
48:52
how strongly I feel in saying that he's not washed.
48:56
How washed is he? I was going to say, he didn't
48:59
even look good against Montiel or Benavidez Jr.,
49:02
and that was two and four years ago, respectively.
49:05
That was kind of funny seeing Benavidez Jr. lose.
49:08
He looked kind of washed against Benavidez Jr.,
49:11
so. We'll see. He might be. Might be good. LaMana
49:17
lost to Jorge Cota, the demon, his name. He got
49:24
his ass beat by Sebastian Fandora, Jermel Charlo,
49:29
Jason Rosario, Erickson Lubin. Not a good name.
49:36
That loss has aged poorly. He lost to Brian Mendoza.
49:43
who we all know, Bo Hachuk, Tim Su, Fundora,
49:47
he beat Fundora. Lost to Jesus Ramos. Also has
49:53
not aged very well. Yeah. Like, if Charlo's washed,
49:58
it's going to be a very long night. Yeah. Even
50:01
if La Mana is fragile. But, like, I don't know.
50:05
Charlo works his best when he's boxing because
50:08
the stoppages kind of just come when he's boxing.
50:11
When he tries too hard, he gases. He looks like
50:15
shit. That's the seventh round. If he goes past
50:19
seven rounds, he looks bad. No, because he kept
50:22
his gas with Dervychenko. But he was boxing the
50:26
whole time. He boxes. When he boxes, he looks
50:28
great. I'm talking about the last couple of years.
50:31
Oh, yeah. No, he looks like shit. As I'm saying,
50:34
no. I'm talking about, like, recently. I'm not
50:37
talking about, like, before. Like, recently.
50:39
Recently in, like, quotation marks. His last
50:41
two fights have been... Oh, he looked like dog
50:44
shit against Montiel. After... Yeah. Recent as
50:49
in four years. Recent if it was four years ago,
50:52
so... I can't imagine his... I don't know. Charlo
50:56
feels very wasted talent. Bad but true. Got sick.
51:02
Because... He's definitely... I found him to
51:06
be the... Like, when he's boxing, the better
51:09
Charlo, because he's not as... He just has the
51:13
better hand -eye coordination in finding spots,
51:15
where Jermel is a little hesitant sometimes.
51:21
But, I mean, two fights and... Three fights in
51:27
five years is rough. The thing is that I feel
51:31
like... curse of planning a future fight between
51:35
the two double -headers. You know what I mean?
51:39
Someone's got to lose. As it happens. I think
51:47
Charlo's more prone to lose here. I was about
51:50
to say, yeah, Charlo's going to be more prone
51:52
to lose. He's got fucking, what, two years since,
51:55
almost two years since Benavidez. Fuck, dude.
51:59
It's going to be rough. I also just like Plant.
52:03
I also just like Caleb Plant a lot more. Caleb
52:07
Plant also has cardio issues, but he doesn't
52:13
lose his boxing ability when he gasses either.
52:16
He just gasses. The guy who's fighting Resendez,
52:19
he's not a horrible fighter. He's not terrible.
52:22
He's not bad. Yeah, he's not bad at all. I think
52:25
that's going to be a good scrap for Caleb Plant.
52:27
It's a good stay -busy fight, I got to say. But
52:31
if they're playing to put Jamal, Charlo, and
52:33
Kilo playing in the future, I don't know. Every
52:36
time they do those stupid double -headers where
52:38
in the future they're going to fight, something
52:41
always goes wrong. This is a fight that's been
52:46
in the works since COVID, basically. When it
52:53
happens, it'll be fun. It's going to happen.
52:55
This is just more or less, oh shit, we still
52:58
have this storyline to play out. Especially because
53:03
if Charlo comes back not washed, what a perfect
53:10
way to get back into the mix at 168. With Caleb
53:14
Plant too. Especially if you stop him. Benavidez
53:19
did not stop him. Benavidez put belt to ass on
53:23
him later in the fight. Which, I'll tell you,
53:27
that was a fun fight, too. Well, that was a good
53:30
fight. Plant had that fucking dog in him, dude.
53:32
Yeah, he did. Like that Trevor McCombie fight.
53:35
Trevor McCombie versus Plant, dude. Oh, my God.
53:38
That was fun. I love that fight. Even the Durrell
53:41
fight. Oh, that was iconic. Like, Plant's legs
53:47
might not last all 12, but fuck his heart. His
53:50
heart gives you everything. Even his... Against
53:55
Katsugari, his title fight, his first one, he
53:59
gassed so late. He gassed late. He gassed late,
54:04
but he didn't even go down. And Jose was putting
54:08
Bell to ass, too, in the last couple rounds.
54:11
The funniest thing is that with Caleb Plant,
54:15
his biggest audience, his fan base, is the Hispanic
54:17
community. It's funny. What's because of the
54:21
Canelo fight? Like, you saw the other two fights
54:26
that Canelo had, his title fights at 168. Like,
54:29
Callum Smith shriveled away and just kind of
54:30
accepted it. Yeah. Saunders quit. On his stool.
54:35
Basically. As soon as the adversity came, basically.
54:39
No, I'll give anyone a pass for a broken orbital
54:44
except for Saunders. Except BJS. I want to say,
54:46
yeah. He gets no pass considering. Dubois had
54:50
the same shit, and he's like, I'd never quit
54:52
on my stool. I'd have to die out there. Next
54:55
fight. Breaks his orbital, quits on his stool.
54:59
And he's going to come back? Fight on a bench?
55:02
Or Chris Eubank? What, at the 170? 175? I don't
55:08
fucking know. Fuck, have you seen those? He looks
55:10
like a medicine ball. Fuck yeah, dude. But anyways,
55:16
back to Caleb playing, dude. He was the one.
55:19
That gave Canelo the hardest fight. With the
55:22
most heart. Exactly. That was a fun fight, dude.
55:27
That was a fun -ass fight, too. Even when Canelo
55:29
cracked him, Canelo still had to go and finish
55:32
him. Oh, yeah. He got up the first knockdown.
55:37
He didn't fold. Canelo had to fucking hunt him.
55:41
Fun as fuck. That was Canelo's last good fight.
55:46
Don't remind me. But Caleb Plant, I think he
55:50
takes out Resendiz. Oh, yeah. Not that Resendiz
55:55
is any bad. It's got to be early. It's got to
55:58
be early. Caleb definitely, especially with Charlo
56:02
on the card, is going to look great early. If
56:05
it goes late, it's not going to look as great.
56:08
Yeah. He's not going to look very great if they
56:10
go late. What are you thinking right now? What
56:12
are you thinking? Oh, I'm thinking Caleb Plant.
56:16
Probably going to end this pretty quickly. Resendiz
56:18
is okay. I wouldn't write home about this fight.
56:25
This isn't one where I'd be like, hey, casual
56:27
sports friends, check this out. This wouldn't
56:31
be it. This is something I get the hardcores
56:34
over for a nice couple beers and some snacks.
56:39
You get the hardcores in. Yeah, the people who
56:41
know the Charlo plant, the history to that. That
56:46
would be... Yeah, people... Yeah. Like, most
56:49
you're gonna see are, like, the highlights and,
56:52
uh, Kermel's fight on social media, and honestly,
56:54
that might be all you need to watch if you're
56:56
casual. Yeah, unless you... Well, just the highlights
56:58
is pretty much all you're gonna see from these.
57:01
Unless... Unless he looks like that's KO, of
57:03
course. That's gonna be a highlight on its own.
57:07
That's a highlight. I know. I mean, like, he's
57:09
gonna be, like... Like, that's gonna be the main,
57:11
like, highlight, bro. Oh, right. The main one.
57:14
Main, main one. You know? Oh, yeah. That's all
57:18
I had, though. For the whole card in general.
57:23
I think that's it for this week, huh? It is.
57:25
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good. Japan, good. I think Josh... Brian Norman,
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bad. Brian Norman, bad. I have a suspect... I
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have a suspecting feeling that Josh might not
59:30
like Turkelosheik. Maybe. I'm not sure where
59:34
you got that. I have a suspecting feeling that
59:37
Josh is a... is a, uh, ultimate fucking casuals,
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uh, fan. Yeah. And guys that you wish. Yeah.
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We talked the box over there too. So it's, uh,
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have to say shout out to matt thank you don king
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is indeed bad so brave you can say so brave I
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don't think we caught that, actually. No. Aw,
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crap. In post. He's going to edit it to say Don
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King good in post. Hell nah, dude. Nah, I don't
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do it like that. This is propaganda. This is
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