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Ukraine Update with the EXPERTS on what is happening NOW! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: There is so much happening right now in Ukraine and
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Speaker 1: it has been incredibly sad to witness what is happening.
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Speaker 1: And I just got a briefing from a individual in
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Speaker 1: the Ukraine and I put this up on social media.
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Speaker 1: Some of you may have seen this. There are pictures
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Speaker 1: of combat like tanks, of Russian shot soldiers running over
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Speaker 1: innocent civilians in their cars for sport. This is what
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Speaker 1: is happening in Ukraine. We are witnessing children who are
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Speaker 1: now dying because they are being taken away from the
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Speaker 1: NIKU units in the hospitals. There have been children in
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Speaker 1: schools that have been targeted by Russia. There was Snake
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Speaker 1: Island where thirteen brave Ukrainian soldiers told Russia to go
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Speaker 1: blank themselves before they were all killed by a Russian ship.
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Speaker 1: We are seeing Russian planes and discriminately bombing areas of
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Kiev that are not strategic for the country,
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Speaker 1: just to kill innocent people. We are witnessing the decimation
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Speaker 1: of Ukraine and it is very clear that Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 1: is working on a very different timeline. It's usually traditionally
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Speaker 1: that Russia strategically will surround a place and choke them
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Speaker 1: off from supplies and goods so they surrender, so that
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Speaker 1: there's not as many people that are killed, including their
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Speaker 1: own soldiers. Vladimir Putin is right now acting on an
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Speaker 1: extremely different timeline. It's an unbelievably different timeline. Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 1: today said any Republican with a common sense should help
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Speaker 1: defend Ukraine against Putin. We are wanting to defend Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: You were the ones that have refused to give them
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Speaker 1: the weaponry needed. You're the ones that refused, when you're
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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, to give them the weapons they
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Speaker 1: need to fight back. We had today the former president
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Speaker 1: of Ukraine on the streets holding up a weapon, choking
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Speaker 1: back tears, knowing there's a very good chance he is
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Speaker 1: going to die for his country because he has three
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Speaker 1: hundred citizens. They have declared martial law. They're taking fourteen
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Speaker 1: fifteen year olds up to six year olds and giving
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Speaker 1: them weapons. You want to know I tweeted this out
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Speaker 1: earlier because I think it's such an important point. Occupied Democrats,
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Speaker 1: hardcore democratic group. Occupied Democrats tweeted out in June of
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen this tweet. I want you to think about
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Speaker 1: what I'm about to read you and this is the
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Speaker 1: mindset of the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton, who's on TV today,
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who's not on TV today, and others. Occupied
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Speaker 1: Democrats in two sixteen said quote, no civilian needs in
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Speaker 1: AAR fifteen. Regardless of whatever mental gymnastics you do, you
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Speaker 1: are a very special breed of stupid Occupied Democrats now
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Speaker 1: acting like they're wanting to stand up for the people
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Speaker 1: in Ukraine, tweeted out This morning, Ukraine's Interior minister announced
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Speaker 1: that ten thousand automatic rifles have been handed out to
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Speaker 1: the civilians of Kiev as they prepared to fight tooth
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Speaker 1: and nail to defend their homes against Putin's invasion. Occupied
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Speaker 1: Democrats and goes on his right retweet if you stand
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Speaker 1: with the brave Ukrainian people. The same Democrats that said
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Speaker 1: there's no way your delusional, your mental gymnastics that you pull,
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Speaker 1: no one needs an a R fifteen is now advocating, supporting,
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Speaker 1: and being excited about ten thousand automatic weapons being handed
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Speaker 1: out to people to fight Russia. There are a lot
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Speaker 1: of people that are going to die, and there are
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Speaker 1: people while we're doing this right now that are dying
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Speaker 1: and suffering. Senator Tom Cotton came out today saying Biden
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Speaker 1: needs to stop pussy footing around. His sanctions have been
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Speaker 1: wholly inadequate. Ukraine doesn't have a month to wait to
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Speaker 1: see if sanctions will deter Putin. It's very clear and
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Speaker 1: these sanctions are not going to work, and there is
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Speaker 1: a there is a psychotic nature to the change in
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Speaker 1: the actions of Vladimir Putin and the fact that he's
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Speaker 1: allowing his military for sport now to run over innocent
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Speaker 1: civilians and their tanks and their armored vehicles caught on camera.
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Speaker 1: You can watch this. It's up on my social media platforms.
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Speaker 1: Grab it. This is what happens when strong countries are weak.
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Speaker 1: This is what happens when strong countries do not stand up.
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Speaker 1: This is what happened when America loses the brave men
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Speaker 1: that should be fighting and making sure that people can
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Speaker 1: fight and stand up to people like Vladimir Putin. Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden said in two nineteen something that I to play
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Speaker 1: for you now because I think it's a very important
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Speaker 1: for you to understand. This is Joe Biden twenty nineteen. Folks,
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Speaker 1: you hear the news once again, Putin and the Russians
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Speaker 1: are trying to engage in our election to decide who
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Speaker 1: the president is going to be. And this time I'm
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Speaker 1: the object of their attention because Putin knows if I
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Speaker 1: am president the United States, his days of tyranny and
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Speaker 1: trying to intimidate the United States and those in Eastern
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Speaker 1: Europe are over. I'm going to stand up to him.
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Speaker 1: He's a bully, just like the president, and I know
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want me to be president. But to tell
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Speaker 1: you what, when I'm president, things are going to change,
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Speaker 1: mister Putin. The American people decide their elections, not you
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Speaker 1: chip in a dollar, five dollars, ten dollars raising money
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Speaker 1: off of staying saying he was going to stand up
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Speaker 1: to Putin. I'm not gonna the days of tyranny and
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Speaker 1: trying to intimidate are over. If I'm president, Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 1: will pay. How's that working out for you? We are
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Speaker 1: going to have a very long coversation today with a
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Speaker 1: lot of people that are incredibly brilliant minds on Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: And we have been grabbing these conversations all throughout the
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Speaker 1: morning afternoon with the news it's breaking, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to put them together for you. Now. Many of my
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Speaker 1: guests are people that have fought for this country, to
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Speaker 1: defend this country. They've worked in the Reagan administration, the
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Speaker 1: Bush administration, members of Congress, and we are going to
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Speaker 1: give all that to you right now. I bring on
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Speaker 1: my friends at c PACK and one of my good
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Speaker 1: buddies that does what I do for a living, See
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Speaker 1: Gruber is here, Steve. Thank you for coming on. I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. As always, I'm gonna get into this. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna let you hear the acts. Ukrainian President Porshenko he
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Speaker 1: has just said that Putin is a mad, crazy man
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Speaker 1: coming to kill us all. And he also got choked
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Speaker 1: up while he was on TV in the streets with
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Speaker 1: three hundred volunteers wanting to take up arms, knowing that
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Speaker 1: the Russians are killing their friends right now and as
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Speaker 1: are destroying Kiev, a history city. Listen to what he
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Speaker 1: had to say just a moment ago and hearing the
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Speaker 1: former president breaking down in the streets. Mister president, can
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Speaker 1: you tell me what you in the group you're with
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Speaker 1: right now there are armed with and what your intention
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Speaker 1: is if the Russians wrong? Just my assistance here here.
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Speaker 1: This is the short kalashnikov we have just the let
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Speaker 1: me see maybe four and low on the three hundred
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Speaker 1: members of the Battalion of the Territorial Defense. And we
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Speaker 1: have two machine gun and we have modelized that's it.
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Speaker 1: We don't have any have a tilleries, we don't have
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Speaker 1: a tanks, we don't have an armed personal career. Because
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Speaker 1: we launched this process just a couple of days ago.
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Speaker 1: But and we create that for the two days. This
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Speaker 1: is the long line of the people who want to
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Speaker 1: enlist it in the battalion, but we don't have any
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Speaker 1: palms for that. Then this is the only limit why
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Speaker 1: the signal depends. The normal ordinary people sometimes snap it
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Speaker 1: being in the army staying in line now to join us.
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Speaker 1: You can hear there Steve of him literally breaking down.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's the first president of Ukraine breaking down
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Speaker 1: talking about and and it's people. I was talking during
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Speaker 1: the break with one of our our our good friends, Kurt,
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Speaker 1: and I said, you know, when you go to there's
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Speaker 1: a certain situation in life where you may think you're
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Speaker 1: gonna die, right, absolutely, there's other situations in life where
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Speaker 1: you choose to die. You look at those men on
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Speaker 1: on Snake Island that died when the Russians told them yesterday,
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Speaker 1: put down your guns and surrender, and they sat back
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Speaker 1: on the radio. Basically, not basically, they said fu right
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Speaker 1: to Russia and they killed him. Right. Um. You listen
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Speaker 1: to Prushenko and the way that he is speaking, I
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Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear he's choosing to die in the
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Speaker 1: streets for his country, for his country, for his country though,
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Speaker 1: and you can tell in his voice he knows that
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Speaker 1: they're outmatched. I've never heard something like this in my life.
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Speaker 1: That's why it's so shocking to me. Well, here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Ukraine has witnessed this before Kiev nineteen forty one, the
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Speaker 1: Nazis came in. But for for Ukraine, they consider themselves
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Speaker 1: to be brothers of the Russians. They're not enemies of
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Speaker 1: the Russians. That's why they're just they're just dumb struck
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Speaker 1: by this because here comes put in, rolling in saying well,
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Speaker 1: this is ours and we're gonna kill you kill him
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Speaker 1: in the street, sneak island, like you mentioned. And it's
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Speaker 1: insane to these folks because they consider themselves brothers. But
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Speaker 1: this is not going away, this is not everything. Because
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Speaker 1: I let's go back to the World War two, scenario.
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Speaker 1: You know, the resistance in the Warsaw ghetto, for example,
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Speaker 1: a bunch of determined people's small arms can raise hell
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Speaker 1: with the big army. The Nazis never won Warsaw. They
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Speaker 1: get snapped at, sniped at, snippdats, and the Ukrainians are
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Speaker 1: very capable this. There's swamps, there are forests that people
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Speaker 1: don't realize in Ukraine. This is an area that you
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Speaker 1: make take over Ukraine, but it doesn't mean you're going
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Speaker 1: to control it. And there's gonna be you know, Russian
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Speaker 1: law and order, and and you listen to that. You
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Speaker 1: know Pashenko, I think he understands there's two battles are
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Speaker 1: gonna happen here. There's gonna be an instant, an initial battle.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a victory speech by Vladimir Putin that
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Speaker 1: we've taken it over. Right. It doesn't mean the people
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Speaker 1: they are going to stop fighting the Russian hips, right,
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Speaker 1: that's my point. I mean the Nazis raised the flag
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Speaker 1: over Paris and Warsaw, on a variety of other places.
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Speaker 1: That didn't mean those people gave up. They became a
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Speaker 1: resistance that became the underground. They became people that hid
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Speaker 1: people in closets or whatever it takes. Um. I think
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Speaker 1: that the entire world, though, is on edge. Yet here's
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Speaker 1: the one thing that I have been I just have
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Speaker 1: been rolling this round of my head. How is it
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Speaker 1: the today? There are sixteen Russian warships on the black seat.
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Speaker 1: You've got Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, all NATO allies border the
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Speaker 1: black seats, Sodas, Ukraine, sodas Russia. Russia owns the black
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Speaker 1: seat today because the last Natal worship a friendship left
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Speaker 1: a month ago. Well, what if Russia wants to go
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Speaker 1: into Bulgaria today? Those those ships carry tanks, armored military personnel, carriers, soldiers, munitions, munitions,
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Speaker 1: all of it. And because who's to believe now that
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Speaker 1: Putin doesn't want the whole damn thing. I said this earlier,
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Speaker 1: and this is a point of contention. I see similarities
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Speaker 1: in the underestimating an appeasement of Putin now, Like all right,
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Speaker 1: we basically have said as a country, we've we've killed
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Speaker 1: off the president of Ukraine this morning, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: because the White House has said we will continue to
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Speaker 1: deal with him as long as you're the legitimate leader.
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Speaker 1: You kill him basically said we as soon as you
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Speaker 1: take over, we'll stop dealing with him. So this the
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Speaker 1: man who's in charge, who is our ally in Ukraine. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And I go back to when he when he said
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Speaker 1: that the phone call he had with Donald Trump was legitimate,
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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden hates him. I really do believe that
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Speaker 1: a lot of our hand taking her hand off of
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Speaker 1: Ukraine was personal because they were they were pissed, they
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Speaker 1: were an about a different scenario. How about this, You
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Speaker 1: look at everything leads back to Ukraine. Yes, whether it's
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, all roads lead
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Speaker 1: back to Ukraine, whether it's the dossier or the Biden's
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Speaker 1: making money. It's been all the country you talked about
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Speaker 1: obsessively for the last four years. How do you get
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Speaker 1: rid of all the files? How do you how do
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Speaker 1: you sweep the plate clean? Let the Russians come in
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the whole plate is clean.
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Speaker 1: There's no records, there's no evidence, there's no anything. Hillary
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Speaker 1: Clinton slides, Hunter Biden slides, enlie. You don't have to
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Speaker 1: worry about LNSKY. You're not to worry about any of
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Speaker 1: them telling secret. If you take the slate and run
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Speaker 1: a missile through and just blow the slate up. Where's
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Speaker 1: the evidence? You just clean up the whole damn thing
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Speaker 1: by just saying, you know what, We'd love to help you,
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Speaker 1: but we're really busy right now. We got the second
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Speaker 1: piece of audio that just came into Porshenko. Here's more
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Speaker 1: of what he had to say. This is extremely touchable
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Speaker 1: and extremely great demonstration how Ukrainian people hate Putti and
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Speaker 1: how we are against the Russian aggression. This is very clear.
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Speaker 1: How long do you think you can hold out? I
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Speaker 1: think that the Putting never will catch Ukraine, despite no
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Speaker 1: matter how many soulis he because how many missiles he has,
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Speaker 1: how many new player weapons he has. We Ukraine enough
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Speaker 1: free people with a great European future. This is definitely
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Speaker 1: like that the former president Forever you heard him saying
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Speaker 1: how long can you hold out? Forever goes back to
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Speaker 1: what you said. He's saying, Look, you may be able
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Speaker 1: to bomb the hell out of this. You may be
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Speaker 1: able to do that right. You may be able to
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Speaker 1: bring in a massive amount of troops two hundred thousand,
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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand troops. You may be able to control
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Speaker 1: our streets. You may be able to act like you're
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Speaker 1: controlling or even control our countries and lock us out
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Speaker 1: from things. But as he's made it clear that guerrilla
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Speaker 1: warfare may well, he's saying, we'll never end. That's my point.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna fight because it's their country. And you knew
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Speaker 1: when Puddin came out and started trash talking frankly Nikita
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Speaker 1: Krushchev saying Krushchev gave Ukraine the freedom and never said
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Speaker 1: that wasn't his place, that this is. This is Bullshevik
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Speaker 1: communist Russia. And so Puddin believes that he is entitled
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Speaker 1: to Ukraine, and that brings us back to the question
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Speaker 1: of what else is he entitled to in the meantime?
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Speaker 1: Is Ukraine gonna roll over? No? The people are not, apparently.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that there was this great piece of
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Speaker 1: footage of this woman, elderly woman, walking up to a
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Speaker 1: Russian soldier and saying, f you right, well, why are
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Speaker 1: you in my country? F you? And there's all these
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Speaker 1: arms there, just an old lady, Why are you in
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Speaker 1: my country? Why are you here? They fought hard last time,
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Speaker 1: Why do you think they wouldn't fight this time? I
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Speaker 1: do think the part that's the most shocking about that
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Speaker 1: interview with Porschenko is the fact that we as a world,
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Speaker 1: knowing that they were standing up to Russia and knowing
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Speaker 1: what happened after or nothing, we did not give them
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Speaker 1: the military might they needed to stand up to Russia.
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Speaker 1: And anybody that understands what Russia has compared to what
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Speaker 1: Ukraine had, especially after what Biden witnessed with Crimea in
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Shiit said, all right, look, we got a
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Speaker 1: start sending in a bunch of crap to these guys
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Speaker 1: right right now, right right, because that's nice of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can hold on your helmet while you're in Snake Island.
15:42
Speaker 1: You know they got they got helbly thirteen helmets over
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Speaker 1: thirteen helmets that worked out well. So let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this. Can I just just to turn the table
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Speaker 1: a little bit because I talked to Dordon Chang. I
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Speaker 1: talked to him fairly regularly, guessing you probably do as well.
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Speaker 1: Along the way, I said, what if, the what if?
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Speaker 1: The whole tell people who that is for you? The
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Speaker 1: Dordon Chang is a leading expert on China. He has
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Speaker 1: a conservative voice. He basically pulls back the curtain on
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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party on a regular basis and so
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Speaker 1: this is what's really happened, all right. So he he's
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Speaker 1: terrific and I actually talked to him here at Sepack yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I said, well, Jo, what about this. What if the pandemic,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty clear, didn't just come out of a
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Speaker 1: batcave nine hundred miles from Buhan and fly around the country.
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Speaker 1: So let's just say, for the sake of argument, that's
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Speaker 1: an intentional act. And that's punched number one, punched number two.
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Speaker 1: Because China and Russia are now working the other, not friends,
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Speaker 1: not allies really, but working. We talked about this early,
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Speaker 1: we talk about this yesterday. Russia and China, for people
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Speaker 1: that don't follow international politics, they are not in any
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Speaker 1: capacity throughout history natural ally ever ever, you can never
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Speaker 1: find that NATI. But our foreign policy has pushed them
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Speaker 1: into becoming allies, which should have never happened. In the
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Speaker 1: bidenmistrans it should realize, whatever we do with our policies
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Speaker 1: those two together, make sure you don't align these two
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Speaker 1: by default with one another, because they're not natural allies,
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Speaker 1: and if they team up, we're in deep blank. And
17:07
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the Biden administration, right. So so you
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Speaker 1: go back, if you take the premise that the the
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Speaker 1: pandemic was intentional. Punch number two is Russia knew they're
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Speaker 1: gonna take Ukraine. And then punch number three is, you know,
17:23
Speaker 1: do they do something with Taiwan. Maybe they do, maybe
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Speaker 1: they don't. I mean, Taiwan fair fair enough is nothing
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Speaker 1: more than a cat and mouse game. You know, China
17:30
Speaker 1: doesn't worry too much about Taiwan, and they produce a
17:32
Speaker 1: lot of semiconductors and computer chips and things that the
17:35
Speaker 1: Chinese need as well, so they might just toy would
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Speaker 1: But you have this alignment now. But to me, another
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Speaker 1: one of the big stories here that people don't set
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Speaker 1: to be spending much time on is it's a failure
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Speaker 1: of foreign policy, but it's a failure of energy policy.
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Speaker 1: Four percent of the oil that comes into America that
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Speaker 1: we pay for it comes from Russia. For God's sake,
17:52
Speaker 1: we made him rich, right, And and you've got Jennifer Granholm,
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Speaker 1: the failed governor of Michigan, who's you know now, made
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Speaker 1: it so you can't even look for oil and gas
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Speaker 1: on federal lands as of what last week, And so
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Speaker 1: we have a failed policy and energy. You've got China
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Speaker 1: buying one hundred million metric tons of coal from Russia.
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Speaker 1: You've got Russia also sending natural gas and oil to China.
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Speaker 1: So do they need the gas to go to Germany?
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Speaker 1: Not if I can sending all their money. And because
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Speaker 1: Putin already converted all of his money out of dollars anyway,
18:21
Speaker 1: he's already out of dollars. So now he's dealing with
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Speaker 1: China and they can pay the bill. Germany can well,
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Speaker 1: Germany can pay seven times, eight to ten times as
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Speaker 1: much for energy. They don't care. It doesn't affect Russia.
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Speaker 1: He's got seven hundred billion dollars in Resilia, and he
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Speaker 1: understands with the prices going up right now, he has
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Speaker 1: more money now than he's ever had before. Like he
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Speaker 1: understands that without question. I mean, and this is the
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Speaker 1: reason why I think Putin has gone all in now.
18:46
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you this. I've been I've
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Speaker 1: been floating this. Steve Gerber is my guests for me
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Speaker 1: right now. You can listen to his show podcasts. He
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Speaker 1: does great writing as well. I feel like Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 1: at this point is acting on a different timeline, destroying
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Speaker 1: a historic city of Kiev the way he's doing it instead,
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Speaker 1: of choking it off, which is traditional warfare for Russia. Right,
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Speaker 1: You choke them off and then you basically starve him
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Speaker 1: almost to death, right, and then you go in there
19:13
Speaker 1: because there's less fighting and less casualties and fewer bodybags.
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Speaker 1: The way that he is approaching Kiev and Ukraine right
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Speaker 1: now and wanting to just basically just decimate it and
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Speaker 1: own it is not traditional Russian thinking. I'm worried now
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Speaker 1: that we're dealing with somebody that there's a significant X
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Speaker 1: factor involved that we don't know about yet, because he's
19:34
Speaker 1: clearly acting on a very different timeline, like a manifest
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Speaker 1: destiny to take back and put back together SSR as
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Speaker 1: his legacy. What that means he's sick, What that means
19:41
Speaker 1: he has some sort of medication so we don't know about.
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Speaker 1: But this toss of mine is not a normal Russian
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Speaker 1: timeline that we're witnessing, and not a normal way they
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Speaker 1: do war. Usually they choke off, they choke off, and
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Speaker 1: this is sent the opposite of what Russian and we
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Speaker 1: have hundreds of years of history that's right, and it's
20:01
Speaker 1: very accelerated, which brings me back to you've got a
20:04
Speaker 1: fleet of Russian warships on the Black Sea. You've got Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
20:09
Speaker 1: He'd like to have those back. Those are just small
20:11
Speaker 1: little pieces of real estate. Romania's right there, Bulgaria's right there,
20:14
Speaker 1: Moldova's right there. Hey, he can take it all. And
20:16
Speaker 1: who And here's the thing, just however, you look at this,
20:23
Speaker 1: who's going to go ahead and say, you know what,
20:25
Speaker 1: I want to go fight for Estonia. I want American
20:28
Speaker 1: boys and girls to go die in Estonia. Who's gonna
20:29
Speaker 1: do that today? In this political climate? I think this
20:32
Speaker 1: all goes back to our Afghanistan with drawn. He realized
20:34
Speaker 1: that we weren't interested. We weren't even willing to fight
20:37
Speaker 1: for our own that were sixty feet away from us.
20:40
Speaker 1: Say they were sixty feet away, you're having a conversation
20:45
Speaker 1: with him. We weren't willing to fight for the people
20:48
Speaker 1: that fought for us for twenty years as translators and
20:50
Speaker 1: their families. We were willing to not just leave them behind,
20:53
Speaker 1: but know that their destiny was going to be death
20:56
Speaker 1: and torture and hangings, and for their entire family and
20:59
Speaker 1: their entire family. And we left. But it wasn't just
21:02
Speaker 1: the way we left. It was the fact that when
21:03
Speaker 1: we were leaving, we were taking orders from the Taliban,
21:06
Speaker 1: and that was a moment where clearly Putin said, I
21:10
Speaker 1: am gonna put back the USSR. I think that's what
21:13
Speaker 1: he thought. I'm gonna put back these these the great
21:16
Speaker 1: fifteen that they're one of fifteen of and that is
21:21
Speaker 1: my destiny. And they're not going to stop me, because
21:24
Speaker 1: if they're not even willing to fight for their own
21:25
Speaker 1: guys sixty feet away, they're not going to fight in Estonia.
21:29
Speaker 1: That's right. So here's the next question though, because the
21:32
Speaker 1: wild card to me on the table one of them,
21:34
Speaker 1: I mean, it's several wild cup because when you're playing
21:36
Speaker 1: this this kind of intense back and forth, one mistake,
21:41
Speaker 1: and the country most likely to make that mistake today,
21:43
Speaker 1: I believe is Turkey. Yeah, Erbillan's I mean, he's an
21:47
Speaker 1: eagle maniac too, right. So let's let's ninety nine point
21:52
Speaker 1: nine percent of people listening right now not been paying
21:55
Speaker 1: attention to Turkeys. So explain why you say that so
21:58
Speaker 1: they understand the contact. Well, Turkey has been migrating away,
22:03
Speaker 1: running away from Western values, if you will, for the
22:06
Speaker 1: last ten years. In any house since Rtwuan became president
22:09
Speaker 1: of Turkey. Turkey sits on the south side of the
22:13
Speaker 1: Black Sea, right up against Russia, so they're right there.
22:17
Speaker 1: They're a member of NATO, which means they're an Article
22:19
Speaker 1: five country. Urtawan is an eaglemaniac who has scaled back
22:23
Speaker 1: all sorts of rights of his citizens and taken power
22:26
Speaker 1: for himself. Not unlike what you've seen, you know, in
22:28
Speaker 1: a variety of other places that are run by dictators.
22:31
Speaker 1: He's borderline dictator. I think that's fair to say. And
22:33
Speaker 1: he's right there, and he's trigger happy, and he does
22:36
Speaker 1: have good equipment. He's got American equipment and British equipment
22:40
Speaker 1: and equipment made you know, all over the world that
22:42
Speaker 1: is the best when it comes to fighter jets and
22:44
Speaker 1: military equipment. He can fight. Can he stand up to Russia?
22:48
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but he will if the
22:50
Speaker 1: chips get down. And so there's the thing you can
22:52
Speaker 1: end up in an Article five situation, which is an
22:54
Speaker 1: assault against one is assault against all. We all understand that.
22:57
Speaker 1: But I think you're you're onto something, man. I agree
22:59
Speaker 1: with you, as far as you know. They stood there
23:01
Speaker 1: and watched how pathetic our exit from Afghanistan was, and
23:06
Speaker 1: let's just be clear about where we are. Joe Biden
23:10
Speaker 1: was never a smart individual. Never in fact you and
23:14
Speaker 1: I want to put this in a story of context
23:16
Speaker 1: that I don't want to get a phone call from
23:18
Speaker 1: the Secret Service. Okay, I'm going to be very careful
23:21
Speaker 1: how I describe this. When you had a hit list
23:25
Speaker 1: from Osama bin Laden, and this was back when he
23:29
Speaker 1: was dealing with Biden as the vice president and the
23:34
Speaker 1: president was Obama, he said to the entire Al Qaida network,
23:40
Speaker 1: do not kill, don't touch this one Joe Biden, because
23:45
Speaker 1: Joe Biden very well may give us because of his
23:51
Speaker 1: incompetency opportunities. They also said on this again, I'm quoting
23:56
Speaker 1: very carefully unstood at the time. This is from what
24:00
Speaker 1: we found in his compound after we took out Osama
24:04
Speaker 1: bin Laden, his own writings, and we found these notes
24:06
Speaker 1: that he had given to people that where he also said,
24:10
Speaker 1: I'm okay with you taking out Obama because it would
24:14
Speaker 1: give us Biden, and Biden will screw it up. Biden
24:19
Speaker 1: is incompetent, Biden is a gift to us. And if
24:24
Speaker 1: you think about even Barack Obama, never under estimate Joe
24:30
Speaker 1: Biden's ability to blank it up. Both of those leaders agreed.
24:34
Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden understood the incompetency of Joe Biden. He's
24:37
Speaker 1: a useful idiot. He's a useful idiot, and so did
24:40
Speaker 1: his own then the President United States America that that
24:43
Speaker 1: quote never underestimate the ability of Joe Biden blanket up right.
24:48
Speaker 1: That was said by his boss, Barack Obama. That's right,
24:52
Speaker 1: And they said, don't touch that one. He can help us.
24:54
Speaker 1: There's there's no So what I go back to he
24:57
Speaker 1: was never bright. I mean, you go back to him
24:59
Speaker 1: plagiarizing as a student in Syracu's not the time that
25:02
Speaker 1: he went over to help out gold in my ear,
25:04
Speaker 1: you know, when he's obviously helping out with the Six
25:06
Speaker 1: Day War as a college kid. You know when she
25:07
Speaker 1: calling over, which sure, where did these stories come from?
25:10
Speaker 1: I mean, out of the brains of Joe Biden. I
25:12
Speaker 1: was called as a college kid to come and negotiate
25:14
Speaker 1: the sixth Day War. Sure, sure, sure you are. Yeah,
25:16
Speaker 1: at any rate. The point being is, now you've got
25:18
Speaker 1: a guy who was never bright, never talented, never did
25:21
Speaker 1: anything important in his life, who was completely diminished now
25:24
Speaker 1: in his capacity, now the weakest leader I think this
25:27
Speaker 1: guy makes Jimmy Carter look like a superstar. James Buchanan
25:29
Speaker 1: looked like a superstar. When you look at weak presidents
25:32
Speaker 1: in American history, Joe Biden is by far the weakest
25:34
Speaker 1: at maybe the most critical time. Jimmy Carter was weak,
25:36
Speaker 1: but he wasn't incapacity. No, he tried to go get
25:39
Speaker 1: the hostage. It didn't work, but at least he tried to,
25:41
Speaker 1: you know, fight back. He wasn't incompetent completely. Joe Biden
25:46
Speaker 1: is completely incompetent. And you go back, my god, you
25:49
Speaker 1: look at other presidents like John Kennedy. John Kennedy view
25:51
Speaker 1: were here today. He'd look at his party and go,
25:53
Speaker 1: who are these people? He said, who the hell? John
25:56
Speaker 1: Kennedy fought for his country. His brother Joe died in
25:58
Speaker 1: the war. I mean, Joe was supposed to be president,
26:00
Speaker 1: that was the game plan, and then he died and
26:02
Speaker 1: John was pushed ahead. You know all this, of course,
26:04
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is Joe Biden was
26:07
Speaker 1: a useful sidecar that would vote for people, yeah, and
26:11
Speaker 1: vote for their policies and and give him handouts to
26:14
Speaker 1: be president in the United States. That's why he had
26:15
Speaker 1: one percent that's the other time you ever ran for.
26:18
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, but more scary than that. Kamala Harris has
26:22
Speaker 1: one very very faint heartbeat away from having the job herself,
26:26
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Look, let me at least introduce you. No right,
26:56
Speaker 1: you got this. Everybody knows. I'm Kurch like you're seeing
26:58
Speaker 1: you call on miss the town Hall tire United States
27:00
Speaker 1: Army colonel and the author of the forthcoming book will
27:03
Speaker 1: be back. I go back to. I go back to
27:07
Speaker 1: what I was saying to you a moment ago. You're
27:09
Speaker 1: seeing what and witnessing what's happened in Ukraine. Give me
27:11
Speaker 1: your overall viewpoint. We have a president right now that
27:14
Speaker 1: is clearly not doing anything to stop them. We have
27:17
Speaker 1: a White House, it's actually undermined saying that they'll keep
27:20
Speaker 1: working with as long as he's a legitimate leader in Ukraine.
27:24
Speaker 1: That just came out. Really, that's what they said. Look,
27:27
Speaker 1: they said, as long as I want to make sure
27:29
Speaker 1: that I'm very clear about this. In the last segment,
27:31
Speaker 1: it came out the White House said on the record
27:34
Speaker 1: on the world stage, because no longer national TV, it's international.
27:37
Speaker 1: Putin watched this. We will continue to work with Zelinsky
27:42
Speaker 1: as long as he's a legitimate You just killed him.
27:45
Speaker 1: We just killed him. We will over exaggeratedy, no, no,
27:48
Speaker 1: we will continue to work with Charles Steagall until the
27:51
Speaker 1: Vichy government, you know, really takes charge. I'm staging. Are
27:56
Speaker 1: young that would be in Paris, but continue I am staggered.
28:01
Speaker 1: Is if they can convene a council of renowned morons
28:04
Speaker 1: to come up with worst possible courses of action. And
28:09
Speaker 1: then said, yeah, these are bad, but you can do worse.
28:12
Speaker 1: Go back, bring me worse ideas. I mean, this is insane.
28:17
Speaker 1: Minor incursion. Yeah, m but we're okay as long as
28:22
Speaker 1: it's a minor incursion. Now, if it's a major incursion,
28:25
Speaker 1: you're screwed. But if it's a minor incursion, incursion, what
28:32
Speaker 1: do you say about people who are so ignorant of history,
28:34
Speaker 1: what do you say about people who are so strategically inept.
28:38
Speaker 1: I I'm staggered. You know, you served your country, you
28:42
Speaker 1: do know, and we were you know, joking earlier, but
28:45
Speaker 1: you know military, you're you're formal colonel. You understand. If
28:50
Speaker 1: you're in the military right now and you're witnessing this,
28:53
Speaker 1: I think everybody genuinely understands. And we have a fatigue
28:56
Speaker 1: in this country for war. Yes we do, no, we do.
28:59
Speaker 1: But you also have a superpower. And somebody criticized me
29:01
Speaker 1: yesterday because I said that Russia has a superpower. Tell
29:04
Speaker 1: me why they're not well Russia. But but I'm talking
29:08
Speaker 1: about when I say to power, I'm talking about militarily
29:10
Speaker 1: threat to the world, and and Vladimir Putin threatened US,
29:14
Speaker 1: NATO and the entire world and anyone that steps in
29:17
Speaker 1: and whatever they want to do right now in Ukraine
29:19
Speaker 1: and possibly beyond with nuclear a nuclear tak They've got
29:23
Speaker 1: eight thousand nuclear wave and they have the most nuclear
29:25
Speaker 1: weapons uh in active service of anything. So if you
29:28
Speaker 1: have a thousand. From a military standpoint, I'm talking about
29:31
Speaker 1: destruction of the world in my opinion. Here they are
29:33
Speaker 1: a superpower. No, they are, and we should tree him
29:36
Speaker 1: that way. They are not a conventional superpower anymore. Um,
29:40
Speaker 1: the forces that they've used have been performing not quite
29:43
Speaker 1: as well as I expected, frankly, but that they still
29:47
Speaker 1: seem to be. Here's the thing about Russia, and again
29:51
Speaker 1: you may disagree with me, what this seems to be
29:54
Speaker 1: is almost like Gulf War two point zero in a
29:57
Speaker 1: weird way. Soften them up, have the people leave, and
30:00
Speaker 1: let's make sure that the Russian people don't see a
30:02
Speaker 1: Russian soldier bodybags coming back. It's almost like they're trying
30:06
Speaker 1: to go in in a way that is like, we'll
30:08
Speaker 1: just beat them down, yeah, and make sure we don't
30:10
Speaker 1: have bodybags, because if we do, that can inspire people
30:13
Speaker 1: to stand up and fight against us. I mean, you
30:14
Speaker 1: heard about the soldiers just say they blew off the
30:16
Speaker 1: off that island they were defending and they said put
30:19
Speaker 1: down your weapons. And I'm gonna paraphrase this, but this
30:21
Speaker 1: is not a joke. This is real. It's been verified yet.
30:24
Speaker 1: I think it was twelve thirteen thirteen. Guys, on this
30:27
Speaker 1: small basically lighthouse islands, island, Snake Island, it's like imagine
30:31
Speaker 1: like a lighthouse. Yeah, and the Russians came on them,
30:35
Speaker 1: which is you didn't need it, why would this happen?
30:37
Speaker 1: And this is just shows you Russia right now in
30:38
Speaker 1: their mentality. And they told him putting in your arms,
30:40
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill you. And the radio transmission back was
30:43
Speaker 1: basically f literally fu yes, and then they killed them. Look,
30:46
Speaker 1: I've worked with Ukrainians. I deployed with a part of
30:50
Speaker 1: Multinational Brigade East in the Kosovo was a Polish Ukrainian battalion.
30:54
Speaker 1: I went to Ukraine four times to train Ukrainians and
30:58
Speaker 1: they are tough dudes, and they are they are not
31:02
Speaker 1: afraid of hardship. Okay. They have that kind of Eastern
31:05
Speaker 1: European attitude where well, we're all gonna die, but I'm
31:09
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you first. Um. They they look, their formations
31:14
Speaker 1: are going to be smashed by the Russian advance. That's
31:16
Speaker 1: what the Russian army are supposed to do. They'll go
31:19
Speaker 1: into disarray and then the gorilla stuff will start. Remember
31:23
Speaker 1: Stalin had to fight for ten years after retaking Ukraine
31:26
Speaker 1: until nineteen fifty five against anti communist gorillas. Ten years.
31:32
Speaker 1: Gonna bring in Bobby Charles. He's a good friend of mine.
31:35
Speaker 1: We were having dinner last night. He is a former
31:37
Speaker 1: under secretary under Colin Powell, a man that's served in
31:40
Speaker 1: the Reagan and Bush White House. I also have my
31:42
Speaker 1: good friend Kurt across from me as well. I'm not
31:44
Speaker 1: gonna your your last name. If we could just change it,
31:47
Speaker 1: make my life a lot sliictor it's just hard. I
31:50
Speaker 1: don't it just Slicktor, It's it looks weird. Pronounce a
31:53
Speaker 1: nine hundred times and it will never end. I'm sorry,
31:55
Speaker 1: uh it. Kurts here as well. I want to go, Bobby,
31:58
Speaker 1: do you real quick? Kiv Mayers just says you to
32:00
Speaker 1: dire a warning and an update that the Russian troops
32:02
Speaker 1: are closing in and they are bombing the hell out
32:05
Speaker 1: of Kiev right now, and they are coming We're seeing
32:09
Speaker 1: the videos coming in right now and they're now saying
32:12
Speaker 1: that the bodies are also adding up. People are dying there.
32:17
Speaker 1: There are shots being fired in the street. There is
32:19
Speaker 1: close combat. From what we understand here, this is not
32:23
Speaker 1: the way that traditionally, and I think both of you
32:25
Speaker 1: would agree, and I'll go to Bobby you first, that
32:28
Speaker 1: Russia would normally fight this. Which is that X factor
32:31
Speaker 1: now is it's almost like Vladimir Putin's operating on a
32:35
Speaker 1: different timeline than what you would be doing if you
32:38
Speaker 1: were playing the long game. Here are wanting to take
32:40
Speaker 1: over Ukraine in a semi orderly fashion. This is a
32:44
Speaker 1: full out like war and he's okay with killing and
32:48
Speaker 1: masacring a lot of people. Yeah, this is a very
32:51
Speaker 1: disturbing moment, both in modern history and for Europe. This
32:56
Speaker 1: is already the largest conflict since World War Two in
33:00
Speaker 1: terms of this particular engagement. As you just pointed out,
33:03
Speaker 1: if the purpose it was to bring a stable Ukraine
33:07
Speaker 1: into the orbit of a former superpower Russia and kind
33:13
Speaker 1: of along the lines of the messianistic kind of historically
33:17
Speaker 1: tied warm water Port and all that, you wouldn't destroy
33:21
Speaker 1: one of the oldest cities on the planet. It's a
33:24
Speaker 1: strange term. It doesn't make sense to destroy a city.
33:27
Speaker 1: And that's the part we were all talking about during
33:29
Speaker 1: the break here is this is a historic city. It
33:33
Speaker 1: is so just for what it's worth. People don't know
33:35
Speaker 1: another respelling Kiev in a different way but people don't
33:38
Speaker 1: know how historic and significant Kiev is. If you go
33:41
Speaker 1: back to the history of mankind, in the history of Christianity,
33:45
Speaker 1: or just google for example, Musurski's a very very famous composer,
33:49
Speaker 1: like Tchaikovsky, another Russian composer. If you, if you, if
33:53
Speaker 1: you google his pictures at exhibition. One of the most
33:56
Speaker 1: poignant makes people cry, one of the most powerful, powerful
33:59
Speaker 1: pieces of music involves the bells of Kiev. Why because
34:03
Speaker 1: Kiev was in some ways the gates to Christianity in
34:06
Speaker 1: the north out of Jerusalem. So you're seeing someone who
34:10
Speaker 1: claims that he's defending the Russian people, but the people heritage,
34:14
Speaker 1: the broader imperial heritage really involves it does involve Ukraine,
34:20
Speaker 1: elements of Ukraine, and certainly Kiev in the sense that
34:22
Speaker 1: it's a respected city and it's a it's a very
34:26
Speaker 1: historic city. And now that I mean, I just read
34:29
Speaker 1: reports this morning earlier that there are a couple of
34:30
Speaker 1: hundred dead, and that you have and the Ukrainian President
34:33
Speaker 1: Zolenski is now confirmed and this was as an hour ago,
34:35
Speaker 1: so the number I'm sure as much higher. Now one
34:37
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven Ukrainians have been confirmed killed more
34:40
Speaker 1: than three hundred wounded on day one. They are saying
34:43
Speaker 1: now that number is rising. And this at the same time,
34:46
Speaker 1: while Putin said he's quote prepared to negotiate with Ukrainian officials,
34:49
Speaker 1: and I mentioned this during the break, something else that
34:52
Speaker 1: just came out as we just basically killed Zelenski as
34:56
Speaker 1: a country by saying we'll keep working with Zelinsky as
35:01
Speaker 1: long as he's the legitimate leader of Ukraine. He's done.
35:07
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, he's I'm animated and I'm mad, Bobby,
35:11
Speaker 1: And you've seen this for a long time, so you
35:14
Speaker 1: worked with the Reagan Bush. I can't imagine that statement
35:17
Speaker 1: coming out from any other president's White House saying we'll
35:20
Speaker 1: work with our ally until you guys kill him. Can
35:23
Speaker 1: you imagine George Schultz uttering that kind of uh nonsense.
35:27
Speaker 1: It's we haven't never say that. We haven't say that.
35:32
Speaker 1: We have an a historical, essentially un serious administration. You know,
35:36
Speaker 1: the Reagan guys. That was full of guys who who
35:38
Speaker 1: fought in the Pacific and World War Two, like George Renolts, Uh, guys,
35:42
Speaker 1: Bill Casey Oss, I mean, Jim Baker was a marine.
35:47
Speaker 1: I believe, I mean, these were serious men with a
35:51
Speaker 1: serious background. You got Colin Pale Yes, and I've got
35:54
Speaker 1: some issues with his politics. I don't have any issues
35:56
Speaker 1: with him as a military leader. Um. And I I
36:01
Speaker 1: was there in Desert Storm thirty one years ago. I remember,
36:04
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut him off and we're gonna kill him. Yep,
36:06
Speaker 1: Okay this And what do we have now, Jensaki, Tony Blinkin,
36:11
Speaker 1: General Austin who's never won a war. Well, just like
36:15
Speaker 1: at Tony Blinkin, where did he come from? No One? Yeah,
36:19
Speaker 1: so I went to law school with Tony. I know
36:21
Speaker 1: Tony very well. And the sad part about it is
36:23
Speaker 1: that it's almost what you're describing as sort of the
36:26
Speaker 1: triumph of politics and amateurism, instead of having the people
36:30
Speaker 1: we always thought if you if you ran a company,
36:32
Speaker 1: or if you ran a bureau or a department, or
36:35
Speaker 1: you ran a division, you want the best possible field
36:38
Speaker 1: commanders you can have. You want if somebody knows more
36:41
Speaker 1: than me. I am very happy that they know more
36:43
Speaker 1: than me, because I'm gonna put them in charge of
36:45
Speaker 1: whatever it is they know a lot about and I don't.
36:47
Speaker 1: This administration is the exact reverse from the top, from
36:50
Speaker 1: the very top to the bottom. You have a combination
36:53
Speaker 1: of incompetence, arrogance, and ignorance, and the result is you
36:56
Speaker 1: get things like Afghanistan and the disaster there. What I'm
37:00
Speaker 1: what I'm really I'm concerned that what this administration keeps doing,
37:03
Speaker 1: and it's happening with Ukraine and Russia and China, is
37:07
Speaker 1: that there's it's like they're on time delay and they
37:10
Speaker 1: play the game after three moves have been made by
37:12
Speaker 1: the opponent, and then they decide they're going to do something.
37:15
Speaker 1: This is It's an incompetent way to manage any conflict.
37:18
Speaker 1: And the concern right now is what you're seeing is
37:20
Speaker 1: the optempo. In my view, if just just people can
37:22
Speaker 1: just look online right now, and there's plenty in the
37:25
Speaker 1: public space, the opt tempo of what's happening is happening
37:29
Speaker 1: at the rate of speed of what happened in nineteen
37:31
Speaker 1: thirty eight when Hitler goes into the Sudete land. Everybody
37:34
Speaker 1: backs off, They do minimal things, They claim this is
37:37
Speaker 1: just it, and the next thing you know, another country falls,
37:39
Speaker 1: and then another country falls. What happens. I am fully
37:42
Speaker 1: convinced at this point that this and I say it
37:46
Speaker 1: because I believe it. I think that Vladimir Putin is
37:50
Speaker 1: operating off a different timeline, a different watch, a different
37:53
Speaker 1: set of metrics than the rest of the world is
37:55
Speaker 1: right now, and this is abnormal for him. Yet he
37:59
Speaker 1: is always play the waiting game. Well, he has always
38:02
Speaker 1: played the the the hit pause game. Well, and you know,
38:05
Speaker 1: even Putin just came out thirty minutes ago and said
38:08
Speaker 1: he's quote prepared to negotiate with Ukraine and officials as
38:11
Speaker 1: he's murdering innocent people and bomb the hell out of
38:15
Speaker 1: out of the capital of historic city. This is not
38:19
Speaker 1: rational behavior. It reminds me so much a history of
38:22
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Adolf Hitler. Well, look,
38:24
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's irrational because he seems to be
38:26
Speaker 1: getting everything he wants. He's inside our decision loop, yes
38:29
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, I mean way inside. I don't
38:31
Speaker 1: even think we have a decision cycle. You look at this,
38:36
Speaker 1: and I you know, I'm just a simple war college right,
38:39
Speaker 1: I'm just at some colonel and I'm looking at this
38:43
Speaker 1: and I'm staggered. Yea, at the at the absolute in confidence. Now,
38:47
Speaker 1: I when I trained Ukraine's four times, Uh, they are
38:50
Speaker 1: very tough little guys. Uh, they do not think like
38:53
Speaker 1: we do. I think that Putin might be biting off
38:58
Speaker 1: more than he can chew if he devastates Ukraine Kiev
39:01
Speaker 1: and tries to take it. You remember Grosney, You remember
39:03
Speaker 1: Stalin grab I do. These are guys who I don't,
39:07
Speaker 1: especially if you get the rural ones are not going
39:09
Speaker 1: to back off an inch. You know. I tive to
39:11
Speaker 1: Validita even more on that. You know, people had said
39:13
Speaker 1: to me a few weeks ago, do you think an
39:15
Speaker 1: insurgency would rise up? And I said, as long as
39:18
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, destroying the whole country. No, but
39:22
Speaker 1: very minimal. But this is not because this is not Afghanistan.
39:26
Speaker 1: But this is very different. What you're describing I think
39:29
Speaker 1: is absolutely right. I think you have a situation here
39:31
Speaker 1: where you could see the blood feud created here that
39:35
Speaker 1: lasts one hundred years and it's going to be bad.
39:39
Speaker 1: John Kerry, member of our government, says you should be
39:42
Speaker 1: concerned about climate change and that is the number one
39:47
Speaker 1: issue right now. That Vladimir Putneys understand that what he's
39:49
Speaker 1: doing right now is a problem with climate will allow
39:53
Speaker 1: me to say if I can ben that. Bobby Charles,
39:56
Speaker 1: the Voice you're hearing right now, Kurt selector schlicktor whatever,
39:59
Speaker 1: however it works, allow me to kill me also the
40:02
Speaker 1: other voice to say hello to people, and your your
40:04
Speaker 1: microphone's falling over again. For absolute sure, Putin is changing
40:08
Speaker 1: the climate in Kiev and UH and the climate all
40:11
Speaker 1: over Ukraine. So point being, I'm being mildly facetious here.
40:15
Speaker 1: He's destroying the better part of a very ancient country's culture.
40:20
Speaker 1: So let's yeah, let's worry a little more about the
40:22
Speaker 1: climate that's being changed by a major artillery and tanks,
40:27
Speaker 1: and not worry about whether or not you know, the
40:28
Speaker 1: sun is going to shine tomorrow. Problem is we have
40:31
Speaker 1: an essentially unserious government, right, yeah, you're right, unfortune. I
40:35
Speaker 1: want to play you this audio from Kerry that has
40:37
Speaker 1: now gone viral. All right, listen to this. I want
40:40
Speaker 1: to get your reaction. I'm very concerned about I'm concerned
40:43
Speaker 1: about Ukraine because of the people who Ukraine and because
40:47
Speaker 1: of the principles that are at risk UH in terms
40:50
Speaker 1: of international law and trying to change boundaries of international
40:54
Speaker 1: law by force. I thought we lived in a world
40:58
Speaker 1: that had said no to that of activity. And I
41:01
Speaker 1: hope diplomacy will win, but a massive emissions consequences to
41:06
Speaker 1: the war. But equally importantly, you're going to lose people's focus.
41:10
Speaker 1: You're going to lose certainly big country attention because they
41:15
Speaker 1: will be diverted, and I think it could have a
41:18
Speaker 1: damaging impact. So, you know, I think hopefully President Putin
41:21
Speaker 1: would realize that in the northern part of his country,
41:25
Speaker 1: they used to live on sixty six percent of a
41:27
Speaker 1: nation that was over frozen land. Now it's thawing, and
41:32
Speaker 1: his infrastructure is at risk, and the people of Russia
41:35
Speaker 1: at risk. And so I hope President Putin will help
41:39
Speaker 1: us to stay on track with respect of what we
41:42
Speaker 1: need to do for the climate. For the climate. This
41:45
Speaker 1: is not a spoof, is not an empising. This is
41:48
Speaker 1: a leader in the United States of America speaking on
41:51
Speaker 1: behalf of the administration, doing an interview that Bladimir Putin's
41:55
Speaker 1: We're wanting to tell Putin, hey, you need to think
41:58
Speaker 1: about the climate, because you got a bunch of water
42:00
Speaker 1: could or I used to get turn to water well,
42:03
Speaker 1: And I can't eve believe I'm having this conversation, but
42:05
Speaker 1: I will say this one will move on if this
42:07
Speaker 1: is true, okay, And he has to worry about the
42:09
Speaker 1: ice melting and his people being flooded out, all the
42:12
Speaker 1: more reason to take Ukraine, because you need more land
42:14
Speaker 1: to put those people. I listened to this unserious, frankly
42:20
Speaker 1: childish nonsense, this bizarre pagan climate religion is running the
42:26
Speaker 1: world from mister Hines, and I I don't know what
42:31
Speaker 1: to say. There are people dying right now, and this
42:33
Speaker 1: clown is catering to the bizarre pagan notions of Marine
42:38
Speaker 1: County and the faculty lounge. This is an age. This
42:43
Speaker 1: is the part that scares me. This isn't an Alex
42:45
Speaker 1: Jones of the of the of the Left. This is
42:48
Speaker 1: a This is a former nominee yes for the Democratic Party,
42:52
Speaker 1: a guy that almost won the White House, and a
42:55
Speaker 1: guy that has a very serious job in this administration.
42:58
Speaker 1: So the truth is that you know, life is not
43:01
Speaker 1: a Saturday Night Live skit um. It has life and
43:05
Speaker 1: death consequences, And whether or not you know the Russian
43:07
Speaker 1: tanks run on ethanol is really not important. The point
43:11
Speaker 1: that we need to understand is that this is an
43:13
Speaker 1: historic inflection point. Many times in history you look back
43:18
Speaker 1: and you say, gosh, I really didn't realize that was
43:19
Speaker 1: the wave on which the tide turned. I just thought
43:23
Speaker 1: it was another wave. And at this moment, I mean,
43:26
Speaker 1: Mike greatest concern it. It's very disturbing to see disunity
43:31
Speaker 1: among those allies that have always represented Western values, to
43:35
Speaker 1: see a sense of almost like passivity toward something that
43:40
Speaker 1: is clearly getting out of control. This is like the
43:42
Speaker 1: Magnus effect when a missile spins out of control. This
43:44
Speaker 1: is this is spinning toward out of control, and and
43:47
Speaker 1: you have to have rational leadership. Step up. Where's the
43:50
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, Where's the Where's the Theodore Roosevelt? Where's the
43:53
Speaker 1: George Robert Walker Bush or the Colin Powell? In our wives,
43:55
Speaker 1: I wish we had a helmet, Schultz, Well, where you
43:58
Speaker 1: have Hillary? Hillary has just gotten off. Which side is
44:02
Speaker 1: she on MSNBC. I want you to listen to what
44:04
Speaker 1: she just said. We are not all right joining us now,
44:10
Speaker 1: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, It's very good to
44:14
Speaker 1: have you joining us this morning during this difficult time.
44:18
Speaker 1: I first want to ask you what you think of
44:21
Speaker 1: President Biden's response so far in terms of getting collaboration
44:25
Speaker 1: from our allies as well as messaging the strategy to
44:29
Speaker 1: the nation. Well, Mica, I think that it has been
44:35
Speaker 1: well executed. There is no doubt that we were not
44:41
Speaker 1: in a position just a few years ago to rally anybody,
44:45
Speaker 1: and now with the President Biden rallying, NATO, rallying not
44:50
Speaker 1: only Western Europe and Eastern Europe, but far beyond those borders,
44:54
Speaker 1: to understand the very real threat that Vladimir Putin poses,
45:00
Speaker 1: then to begin imposing sanctions that will ratch it up.
45:03
Speaker 1: And I think that is exactly what he should be doing.
45:08
Speaker 1: There is Hillary Clinton now, and you can even hear
45:10
Speaker 1: from Murca there on MSBUC. I'm not even sure she
45:13
Speaker 1: could believe the response from Hillary Clinton praising Joe Biden
45:16
Speaker 1: for his response Ukraine saying it and I exact quote.
45:19
Speaker 1: You may have missed this. It has been well executed. Yeah,
45:25
Speaker 1: all I can tell you that's just not that's delusional.
45:27
Speaker 1: If I, if I could just close out my little
45:29
Speaker 1: segment of this, just I saying that sometimes history is
45:33
Speaker 1: the greatest guide to what the future is. It doesn't
45:36
Speaker 1: ever repeat itself perfectly. But I'm reminded of Burke and
45:42
Speaker 1: his famous statement that all it takes for evil to
45:45
Speaker 1: prevail is for good people to do nothing. And this
45:47
Speaker 1: administration is the living embodiment in Afghanistan all over the
45:51
Speaker 1: world in response to China and now with Ukraine of
45:55
Speaker 1: essentially not only bungling things, but making fundamentally wrong decisions
45:59
Speaker 1: and decisions that have dramatic consequential life and death impact.
46:03
Speaker 1: And the problem is, if you had had genuine leadership,
46:06
Speaker 1: Putin would never have done this. He would have backed away.
46:09
Speaker 1: He would have understood that our lines that we draw
46:11
Speaker 1: on the sand are real and we're not doing that
46:14
Speaker 1: where we see It's it's just almost like, you know,
46:16
Speaker 1: there's an old phase of strength upon strength built strength. Well,
46:20
Speaker 1: this is like weakness upon weakness creates weakness, and it's
46:24
Speaker 1: inviting all of our bad guys. Look, the next thing
46:26
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, and I'm sorry to say it
46:27
Speaker 1: is as Putin distracts the world and goes forward and
46:31
Speaker 1: maybe goes beyond Ukraine, looks at other parts of his
46:34
Speaker 1: periphery and becomes much more aggressive in Georgia and other
46:37
Speaker 1: parts of his periphery. You know, China is also going
46:40
Speaker 1: to look straight on at this and say, this is
46:42
Speaker 1: our moment. Let's get the soakland island, Let's get the
46:44
Speaker 1: sprat les, let's get Taiwan. So I'll just leave you
46:47
Speaker 1: with this, Ben. It's a consequential moment. Leaders are both
46:50
Speaker 1: born and and non leaders are destroyed in consequential moments.
46:54
Speaker 1: And we need to have leadership at the federal level,
46:56
Speaker 1: at the state level. Every candidate out there, we're at
46:58
Speaker 1: SEAPAC today. You see a lot of these young candidates
47:00
Speaker 1: who are determined basically to say pedal to the metal
47:03
Speaker 1: and we got we got to get back to being America.
47:05
Speaker 1: I pray and hope that a lot of them are
47:06
Speaker 1: are winning. I want to break one more piece of
47:08
Speaker 1: news before you walk away, and I need you for
47:10
Speaker 1: ninety more seconds. Uh. Former presid of Ukraine Porushenko was
47:15
Speaker 1: seen on the suite streets moments ago um grabbing a
47:20
Speaker 1: Kalashnikov rifle alongside civilians because the fighting has gotten so bad.
47:25
Speaker 1: They got a microphone in front of him. There are
47:27
Speaker 1: bombs going off and you can hear gunfire. This is
47:30
Speaker 1: what he said moments ago, mister president, can you tell
47:33
Speaker 1: me what you in the group you're with right now
47:35
Speaker 1: there are armed with and what your intention is if
47:40
Speaker 1: the Russians were just assistance here here. This is the
47:46
Speaker 1: short of Kalashpenkov we have just the let me see
47:52
Speaker 1: before and low on the three hundred members of the
47:58
Speaker 1: Battalion of the Territory Defense. And we have two machine
48:04
Speaker 1: gun and we have models. That's it. We don't have
48:09
Speaker 1: any have a tillers, we don't have a tanks, we
48:12
Speaker 1: don't have an armed personal carrier. Because we launched this
48:15
Speaker 1: process just a couple of days ago. But and we
48:18
Speaker 1: create that for the two days. This is the long
48:20
Speaker 1: life of the people who want to enlist it in
48:23
Speaker 1: the battalion. But we don't have enough palms for that.
48:26
Speaker 1: And this is the only limit why the signal defense.
48:29
Speaker 1: The normal ordinary people sometimes snap being in the army,
48:33
Speaker 1: staying in line now to join us. Well, you can
48:36
Speaker 1: hear he's breaking down his voice. You can hear that
48:39
Speaker 1: there he's saying, there are people lining up. We don't
48:41
Speaker 1: have enough arms. We have four machine guns we have
48:44
Speaker 1: He holds up his rifle, his crutch and cop rifle.
48:47
Speaker 1: This is not enough to fight Russia. They're going to
48:49
Speaker 1: be massacred. And this is the former president of Ukraine Prschenko,
48:53
Speaker 1: out in the streets with these other men and women
48:56
Speaker 1: because they are under attack by Russia. So let me
48:58
Speaker 1: just leave you with one last thought in it, and
49:00
Speaker 1: it's this we often thought and having and all of
49:04
Speaker 1: us here were part of what we thought was the
49:06
Speaker 1: end of the Soviet Union. We watched Reagan and Bush
49:08
Speaker 1: and others disaggregate what had been the Soviet Communist state.
49:13
Speaker 1: But you have to remember that Putin is a carryover
49:16
Speaker 1: from that state. He is a former KGB agent who
49:19
Speaker 1: was clearly brought into that entire philosophy. This is Hungary
49:23
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six. This is Czechoslovakia in nineteen sixty seven.
49:26
Speaker 1: This is the way that the Ukrainians are responding to.
49:29
Speaker 1: This is Poland nineteen eighty eighty two. This is the
49:31
Speaker 1: way that the Ukrainians are responding to this rightly is
49:34
Speaker 1: that this is like a Soviet style overrun of a
49:38
Speaker 1: contiguous country that was sovereign. And I will just say
49:42
Speaker 1: that it's It has tremendous dangerous downstream effects on what
49:45
Speaker 1: will happen throughout the rest of Europe. Europe is very unfortunately.
49:49
Speaker 1: People have warned about this for a long time. But
49:50
Speaker 1: they are heavily dependent on the oil. They get forty
49:54
Speaker 1: thirty percent of their oil from Russia. They get forty
49:56
Speaker 1: percent of their natural gas from Russia. It's a dangerous moment,
50:00
Speaker 1: and frankly, what you need is a clear clarion voice
50:02
Speaker 1: from the United States leading a global alliance to say
50:06
Speaker 1: this must stop or you'll be isolated from the financial system, etc.
50:11
Speaker 1: We also need to obviously buck up all of our
50:13
Speaker 1: NATO allies because they're gonna be worried. Every one of
50:15
Speaker 1: them is worried Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, all the Western
50:18
Speaker 1: even the Western Allies, are worried Russia. Russia has only
50:21
Speaker 1: two things, oil and a military and that's a dangerous combination. Kurt,
50:31
Speaker 1: you were a retired army empathy colonel. You were in
50:34
Speaker 1: charge of troops seven thousand two in the context of
50:39
Speaker 1: nothing sounds like it's a lot of people. I want
50:42
Speaker 1: to make that clear, but you're a military guy. Seven
50:45
Speaker 1: thousand troops going to Germany is nothing, It really is.
50:49
Speaker 1: I was a deputy brigade commander, acting brigade commander of
50:52
Speaker 1: infantry brigade combat Team. We had about five thousand, seven
50:57
Speaker 1: thousand sounds like a brigade. Maybe if army, it sounds
51:00
Speaker 1: like a brigade plus some supporters. But here here's the thing.
51:04
Speaker 1: Then you don't just send guys, right, you send you
51:09
Speaker 1: send formations. Formations have all the capabilities. They have the
51:13
Speaker 1: broad spectrum battlefield operating systems, because we it's just not
51:17
Speaker 1: guys with rifles or even guys in tanks. You have
51:20
Speaker 1: integrated artillery, you have integrated electronic warfare, cyber, you have
51:25
Speaker 1: all sorts of supporting elements. You know, our tooth detail ratio,
51:30
Speaker 1: that is the guys supporting the guys actually fighting is
51:32
Speaker 1: pretty high. You have several people for everyone who's actually
51:36
Speaker 1: carrying a rifle. So when they say seven thousand people,
51:40
Speaker 1: I mean when I was in the Los Angeles riots
51:43
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, we had about twenty thousand soldiers
51:47
Speaker 1: on the street in the riots the Los Angeles lets,
51:52
Speaker 1: twenty thousand on the street and we killed one guy.
51:57
Speaker 1: I mean, And this is are we We're supposed to
52:01
Speaker 1: enforce Article five of a NATO, which says, you know,
52:05
Speaker 1: you attack a member state, and Ukraine is borders member states,
52:10
Speaker 1: as Belarus and Russia does too. It's just not serious.
52:15
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was in Germany at the end
52:16
Speaker 1: of the Cold War, we had two armored cores. We
52:19
Speaker 1: had five hundred thousand service members over there. It was
52:24
Speaker 1: a mighty force. We don't have anything like that. Now.
52:29
Speaker 1: I want to go back to history, because I think
52:30
Speaker 1: we should rap with history, and I'm going to ask you.
52:34
Speaker 1: I want to make it clearer. There's a lot of
52:35
Speaker 1: parallels that will not line up. But but the mindset
52:39
Speaker 1: that when Adolf Hitler was in charge in Germany World
52:42
Speaker 1: War two, there were a lot of people early on
52:44
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, well, if he just takes acts
52:47
Speaker 1: and stops, we can live with that. Yes, we are
52:52
Speaker 1: witnessing the same exact mentality this time at the beginning
52:55
Speaker 1: stages of whatever this turns out to be, which is
52:58
Speaker 1: all right, Well, if Putin just takes Ukraine and that's
53:02
Speaker 1: it and doesn't mess with any other country and doesn't
53:04
Speaker 1: go and mess with a NATO nation, Oh we've accepted it,
53:09
Speaker 1: have we not? Like it's clear Biden's accepted, even saying
53:12
Speaker 1: that the president of the Ukraine, the White House positions
53:14
Speaker 1: as long as he's quote the legitimate leader of Ukraine.
53:17
Speaker 1: Those are their words. We will continue to work with him.
53:21
Speaker 1: You've killed him off, he's done, he's done. Uh. These
53:24
Speaker 1: guys are sending messages that hey, we're just stop and
53:29
Speaker 1: if you have to overthrow the government install a public government.
53:31
Speaker 1: That's fine. We can live with that. In fact, they
53:33
Speaker 1: can live with it, and they're going to live with it.
53:37
Speaker 1: They've already decided. They another word, Ukraine is a sacrificial
53:41
Speaker 1: Lambkin is gone and you just say, hey, putin stopped
53:44
Speaker 1: there and will be cool? Yeah, will he stop there?
53:47
Speaker 1: Remember it is markedly different across into a NATO state?
53:51
Speaker 1: Is it? It is? Hold on in theory is supposed
53:54
Speaker 1: to be. Uh is I mean? I mean, how many
53:57
Speaker 1: countries do you really think would go in and and
53:59
Speaker 1: defend in That's a great question. A NATO state right now,
54:02
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Estonia, Latia, Lithuania are are the
54:07
Speaker 1: key ones. I don't think he's gonna vy Romania. That's
54:09
Speaker 1: ethnically different, Hungary's ethnically different. Poland Poles are tough, and
54:14
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he wants to bite that off. But um,
54:18
Speaker 1: the Baltic States any know where the people there understand
54:24
Speaker 1: Russia or speak RUSSI shit, or we're part of Russia.
54:27
Speaker 1: We're part of Russia. The USSR is what he clearly
54:29
Speaker 1: wants his wants his hands on. He will be he
54:32
Speaker 1: will be looking at those and uh, you know, would
54:35
Speaker 1: I put it past him? And and would America go
54:38
Speaker 1: to war against the nuclear power over Estonia, Lafia and Lithuania.
54:41
Speaker 1: We'll see. We've pledged to yeah, but that doesn't seem
54:46
Speaker 1: to mean anything right now. Well, the British are putting
54:48
Speaker 1: the armored forces into the Baltic States right now, so
54:53
Speaker 1: we have some forces there. I guess it's a trip wire,
54:57
Speaker 1: but we have to see what's gonna happen, all right.
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