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How Nigel Farage Won Brexit · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: When Nigel Farage told the European Parliament that the UK
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Speaker 1: would leave the European Union, they all laughed at him.
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Speaker 1: Well look who's laughing now, and look who's in our studio.
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Speaker 1: This is Verdict with Ted Cruise. Welcome back to Verdicts
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Speaker 1: with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles. We are joined by
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Speaker 1: a now unemployed member of the European Parliament, Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here in Senator Cruiz. I have
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Speaker 1: to thank you for not only being a number one
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Speaker 1: podcaster in America but also apparently a very good booking producer,
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Speaker 1: because you brought your friend Nigel alone. Well, and this
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Speaker 1: was pure happenstance. So Nigel came and joined the Republican
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Speaker 1: conference for lunch, and he was talking to us about Brexit.
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Speaker 1: He was talking about his incredible leadership and bringing that about.
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Speaker 1: It was absolutely fascinating. And so I walked up to
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Speaker 1: afterwards and said, well, look we're doing this podcast. Can
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Speaker 1: you come join us? And boom hereis. I am so
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Speaker 1: glad that you were able to come because this is
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Speaker 1: going to sound like a very stupid question, but I
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Speaker 1: thought in twenty sixteen, the UK votes for Brexit they're
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Speaker 1: going to leave the EU. Then for some reason it
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen eighteen twenty nineteen now or in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: it finally happens. What is the Brexit and even what
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Speaker 1: is the European Union? Well, it's a great question, and
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Speaker 1: thanks guys, it's great to be here. I you know,
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Speaker 1: I spent most of my business life before politics working
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Speaker 1: for American companies. So I know a lot of Americans,
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Speaker 1: a lot of smart, well off Americans, and they've never
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Speaker 1: quite got what the European Union was. It kind of
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Speaker 1: thought it was a bit like NAFTA, but it isn't.
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Speaker 1: The European Union is a political union, and a member
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Speaker 1: state that joins it gives up its sovereignty, gives up
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Speaker 1: the authority of its supreme court to another court somewhere else,
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Speaker 1: accepts the fact that most of its laws, rules and
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Speaker 1: regulations are made somewhere else, and that the electors in
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Speaker 1: a general election cannot vote to change any of that legislation.
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Speaker 1: You effectively become, we became a satellite of this new
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Speaker 1: entity called the EU. And of course they've got their
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Speaker 1: own flag, they've got their own anthem, and guess what
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Speaker 1: the people who run it. The commissioners are not voted
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Speaker 1: for but the people and can't be removed by the people. Now,
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Speaker 1: this happens slowly, it evolved over time. It was sold
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Speaker 1: to us as being this is simple, it's trade, it's
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Speaker 1: good for business, just an economic and don't worry your
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Speaker 1: little heads about it. It'll all be fine. And you know,
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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, thirty years ago, I looked at this
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Speaker 1: and thought, well the hell, I mean, what did what
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Speaker 1: did we fight two World Wars for if it wasn't
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Speaker 1: for us to be free, independent, sovereign people. And that
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Speaker 1: was where my crusade started. So it was a political
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Speaker 1: union and Brexit. I'll tell you what Brexit is in
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Speaker 1: one word, independence, you know, a simple as that verile
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Speaker 1: as that. There is a kind of parallel over here,
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Speaker 1: I think, because it's not just that there is this
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Speaker 1: fight for sovereignty, this fight for having your own nation,
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Speaker 1: that's going on in the UK, it's happening throughout Europe,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's happening here in the United States. Well
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Speaker 1: it's the same battle, isn't it. It's actually really interesting
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Speaker 1: because you know, the other side call us nationalists. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're all very narrow and hidden and we hate everybody
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Speaker 1: around the world. And the truth of it is that
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Speaker 1: actually what's going on here is there is a movement,
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Speaker 1: a movement of those of us who believe that the
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Speaker 1: nation state run democratically is the right model by which
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Speaker 1: we should live, and that within that framework we trade
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Speaker 1: with each other, we cooperate with each other, we share defense, intelligence,
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Speaker 1: and do many other things with each other. And I
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Speaker 1: find it fascinating that it's almost like a family of
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Speaker 1: us coming together who are fighting back against and you know,
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Speaker 1: it is called globalism. And they want to do away
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Speaker 1: with the nation's state. They want us to be ashamed
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Speaker 1: of our countries rather than proud of them, and they
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Speaker 1: want a massive transfer of power from democracy to bureaucracy.
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Speaker 1: And the great thing is, the great thing is, and
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Speaker 1: it started in twenty sixteen. And let me just say this.
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Speaker 1: We nearly always copy everything you guys do. Anything America does.
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Speaker 1: We follow good things and bad things, but you know, trends, fashions,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, we always follow you guys. This time
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Speaker 1: you followed us. Brexit came first, the Trump Revolution came afterwards.
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Speaker 1: And the reason we're sitting here talking about this and
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Speaker 1: the three and a half years went by. It is
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Speaker 1: because the establishment refused to accept the result of the referendum, right,
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Speaker 1: and we have had the most titanic political battle in
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Speaker 1: our country since the seventeenth century to make sure the
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Speaker 1: will of the people actually got obeyed. And you know what,
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Speaker 1: on the thirty first of January at eleven pm, I
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Speaker 1: was there in Parliament Square. There were one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: people there. And you know, you guys think the English
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Speaker 1: are very reserved, they weren't at eleven o'clock and people
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Speaker 1: were cheering and going mad. And we've got you're saying,
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Speaker 1: perhaps the pine or two was flowing. I think I
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Speaker 1: was certainly down end of the carpel. But and this
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Speaker 1: is a major historic moment. Yes, I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: just an historic moment for the United Kingdom. Listen, this
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Speaker 1: is the beginning of the end of the European Union.
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Speaker 1: Do you think this this will lead to other countries leaving? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And with the end of the European Union, we get
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Speaker 1: the end of the globalist project. Now, that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: they won't always keep on fighting. They will because you
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Speaker 1: will always get you through history, mankind, those that want
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Speaker 1: to dominate everybody else. But this, this is a big
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Speaker 1: moment in our history. So let's let's stop for a minute,
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Speaker 1: and let's let's go back to how this came to
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Speaker 1: pass um, When when did the UK join the ear
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Speaker 1: and how did Brexit start? When when did you arrive
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Speaker 1: in the European Parliament? And take us back to the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the Brexit movement, not today, but where it
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Speaker 1: got started. Okay, in eighteen seventy. The Germans, by the way,
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Speaker 1: I love when I say take us back eighteen seventy, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's almost modern. Were a pretty old country eighteen seventy.
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Speaker 1: In the United States, where we say take us back,
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Speaker 1: it's seven eighteen seventy. The Germans invade across the Rhine.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen fourteen, the Germans invade across the Rhine. Nineteen forty,
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Speaker 1: the Germans invade across sing A Pan. Now there is
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Speaker 1: a very bad joke I'm going to tell you. I
6:33
Speaker 1: asked a restaurant her in Strasbourg once, I said, you
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Speaker 1: get many Germans there? All? We said, you know, they
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Speaker 1: pop by once every twenty five years. But here's the point.
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Speaker 1: Hard to park the tanks, absolutely, but here's the point.
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Speaker 1: You know, this, this endless battle over territory between France
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Speaker 1: and Germany led to world wars, led to hundreds of
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Speaker 1: millions of deaths, and the thinking post war was we
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Speaker 1: need to get the French and Germans together round the
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Speaker 1: table to break bread. And the truth of it is,
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Speaker 1: the more business, the more trade we do with each other,
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Speaker 1: the less likely we are to hate each other and
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Speaker 1: fight each other. So the original concept that we have
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Speaker 1: a Europe that comes together was absolutely right. Unfortunately, those
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Speaker 1: innocent beginnings turned into the attempt to build a new state.
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Speaker 1: Right to build, and they wanted their own military, and
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Speaker 1: they now want their own army, they want their own
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Speaker 1: air force and all the rest of it. And so
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Speaker 1: what they've done is the ancient nations of Europe are
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Speaker 1: now being consumed, having their identities taken away. The democracy
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Speaker 1: is taken away. And missus Thatcher, missus Thatcher, who initially
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Speaker 1: had gone along with the European project believing that it
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Speaker 1: was about she was your version of Ronald Reagan. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: absolutely and you know, I mean, listen, when Margaret took
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Speaker 1: over the United Kingdom, we were a socialist country. We
8:00
Speaker 1: had top rate income tax of eighty three percent. It's
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Speaker 1: almost hard to believe the state we got into well,
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Speaker 1: and she explained, then the problem with socialism is eventually
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Speaker 1: you run out of other people's money. Absolutely, absolutely, which
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Speaker 1: is a message, by the way, Bernie Sanders and some
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Speaker 1: American politicians could do to learn. Oh I love Bernie Sanders.
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Speaker 1: Why do you love? I want to give some money
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Speaker 1: to his campaign. Listen, if Bernie is the nominee, then
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Speaker 1: you guys are just going to walk it in November
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Speaker 1: fifty seven states. We're gonna win Greenland. But but but
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Speaker 1: but I will say, God help us if he wins
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Speaker 1: in November. Yeah. But the truth is, and we're seeing
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Speaker 1: this across the whole of the Western world that the
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Speaker 1: left parties are going further left right. They delight their
8:47
Speaker 1: own echo chamber, right, but actually the middle of our
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Speaker 1: country is looks at this stuff and says, do you
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Speaker 1: know what, We're not having this. So I think Bernie
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Speaker 1: would be very very well, you know. I actually this
8:56
Speaker 1: brings up an interesting point. I want to get to
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Speaker 1: something where I think you agree on most of it,
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Speaker 1: but I think you disagree a little bit on some
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Speaker 1: of the particulars, and that is moving past Brexit to
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Speaker 1: the Huawei controversy. Yeah, okay, let me just finish off, okay.
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Speaker 1: In that day eight Margaret Thatcher sussed what the European
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Speaker 1: project was. She sussed it, yeah, all right, because the
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Speaker 1: European Community was about to change its name to the
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Speaker 1: European Union. And Margaret sussed it. She blew the whistle,
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Speaker 1: and they got rid of her because of it. They
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Speaker 1: got rid of it because of it because all the
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Speaker 1: big business, all the big banks, and all the big
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Speaker 1: money wanted it to go in that direction. And ever
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Speaker 1: since she was gone, the Conservative Party in Britain ceased
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Speaker 1: to be conservative, ceased to be conservative and gave away
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Speaker 1: your sovereignty. It's a word you used earlier that I
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Speaker 1: think goes really to the heart of what this is about,
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Speaker 1: which is who's in charge. And the most fundamental notion
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Speaker 1: of the American Constitution begins with the words we the people,
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Speaker 1: because sovereignty belongs to the people. And look as I
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Speaker 1: look at at the ear the sense I make a
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Speaker 1: Brexit is the British people should decide the laws for
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Speaker 1: Britain and not the damn French, and not the Germans
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Speaker 1: and not anybody else. And that's that's basic sovereign. That's
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Speaker 1: who's in charge, not some anonymous bureaucrat. And of course
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Speaker 1: what we haven't even mentioned is we lost control of
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Speaker 1: our borders as well. So in the early nineties, you know,
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Speaker 1: I joined, I started, I hope to start a rebellion.
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Speaker 1: And the rebellion was against the entire British establishment. It
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Speaker 1: was against the Labor Party, it was against big business,
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Speaker 1: but it was against the Conservative Party. And how far
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Speaker 1: out was it at the time, Like when you started it,
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Speaker 1: how much of with all due respect of a loon
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Speaker 1: did they think you were? Oh, people used to say,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're smoking, Niger, but I'd like
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Speaker 1: some of itzy. I campaigned all through the nineteen nineties,
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Speaker 1: and I think at many times during that period, you know,
10:55
Speaker 1: beginning to look a bit like the patron saint have
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Speaker 1: lost causes. But I first got elected to the EU
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Speaker 1: Chamber in nineteen ninety nine, so nearly twenty one years.
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Speaker 1: I was there until January the thirty first, and we
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Speaker 1: just slowly but surely developed momentum and in the end,
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Speaker 1: in the end, in twenty fourteen, in the European elections,
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Speaker 1: I led UKIP. We won the election UKIPS the UK Independent.
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Speaker 1: It was the first times it's nineteen o six that
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Speaker 1: a party had won a national election that wasn't labor
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Speaker 1: or Conservative. It was a shock wave and David Cameron
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Speaker 1: was the Prime Minister and he could see that I
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Speaker 1: was destroying his conservative parson, I mean in the country,
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Speaker 1: because he wasn't their conservative on anything right. And so
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Speaker 1: in the end, in the end, in an effort to
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Speaker 1: save himself and to save the Conservative Party, he said,
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Speaker 1: we'll give you a referendums. That's how it came to be.
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Speaker 1: As I say, we had the referendum, we won the referendum.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was all done and dusted. I'm all great, fabulous,
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Speaker 1: I can get on with the rest of my life.
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Speaker 1: We then got betrayed again because they didn't give you
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Speaker 1: the Brexit that the people voted. They just didn't want
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Speaker 1: to deliver it. They didn't want to deliver it. And
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Speaker 1: and say then we had to refight the battle again
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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, which I did. I set up the
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Speaker 1: Brexit Party, and within six weeks of founding it, I
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Speaker 1: won the European elections and the Conservative Party got less
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Speaker 1: than ten percent of the vote, their worst result in
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Speaker 1: two hundred years. And the very next morning before the
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Speaker 1: results were out, Theresa May resigned as Prime Minister. So
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Speaker 1: I can say with some you know, it's sort of
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Speaker 1: quite a boast. I suppose that I have got rid
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Speaker 1: of two British primis, and now we've got and now
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Speaker 1: we've got Boris. And you know, at the moment he's
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Speaker 1: keeping all his promises at the moment the negotiating positions.
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Speaker 1: So that's good. I couldn't be happier with that. I mean, Nigel,
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Speaker 1: help help help an American understand why Brexit matters to
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Speaker 1: the man in the street, why Brexit matters to a
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Speaker 1: British shopkeeper, What what's different in your life as a result,
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Speaker 1: First and foremost, you know, if you believe in your nation,
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Speaker 1: and if you believe in your flag, and if you
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Speaker 1: believe in your identity, and you believe in your history,
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Speaker 1: and you believe in what your grandparents generation did for
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Speaker 1: freedom and liberty, not just in your country but in
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Speaker 1: the rest of Europe too, then the desire to be independent, that,
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Speaker 1: the desire to be free is something ted you can't
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Speaker 1: put a price on. You can't put a price on
13:25
Speaker 1: now if I'm running a small business, and don't forget
13:29
Speaker 1: Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers. Well, he thought, funny,
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Speaker 1: isn't it, which I consider high praise two hundred years
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Speaker 1: ago the threat the French thought it was an insult
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Speaker 1: to say the bridge was thought of entrepreneurs. But if
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Speaker 1: I'm running that business, all right, every rule and regulation
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Speaker 1: that affects me, from employment law to health and safety
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Speaker 1: at work, to environmental law, whatever it may be, all
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Speaker 1: of that law has been coming to me from the
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Speaker 1: European Union. And there's no political party I can vote
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Speaker 1: for at elections that will change. There's no accountability that
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Speaker 1: they can with Brexit. We can have proper fights, proper arguments,
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Speaker 1: proper debates about how many people should come into our country,
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Speaker 1: what we should do with environmental law. So, actually, if
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Speaker 1: I'm that shopkeeper, you mean you actually have democracy? Isn't
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Speaker 1: it amazing? Isn't it remarkable? You know? And to think
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Speaker 1: to think that, you know, Westminster, that amazing palace of
14:28
Speaker 1: Westminster that we and call by so many the Mother
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Speaker 1: of Parliaments, had given all that away. Well, and Nigel, look,
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Speaker 1: this is a consistent pattern in Britain. In the US,
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Speaker 1: leftists hate democracy because when the people can choose, they
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Speaker 1: don't choose what the leftists want. So they want an
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Speaker 1: institution they can dominate of faceless, soulless bureaucrats ye to
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Speaker 1: govern and rule. This is about power and who has power,
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Speaker 1: but also also about their sort of supposed moral authoris
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Speaker 1: because they think they're better people than us. Yes, they
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Speaker 1: genuinely think they're better people than us. They really better.
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Speaker 1: They know better how to run our lives than we
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Speaker 1: the peasants. Well, this is that's why it comes down to.
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Speaker 1: When Brexit happened, it was so interesting because Americans loved it.
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Speaker 1: American conservatives were cheering you on. I mean, we were
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Speaker 1: so excited, and I thought, all right, tell us about
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Speaker 1: your farewell speech. Oh yes, So so I've done two
15:23
Speaker 1: farewell speeches, because the first was in twenty sixteen, after
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Speaker 1: the referendum, And that was what I That was what
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Speaker 1: I got up. I thought, well, maybe today they'll treat
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Speaker 1: me with some respect own. Oh I got up and
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Speaker 1: five hundred people started booing and jeering, And that was
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Speaker 1: what I thought. I'm gonna let it. I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to dad a lot today's And that's when I said.
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Speaker 1: When I came here eighteen years ago, I said to
15:45
Speaker 1: you I would lead a campaign to take Britain out
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Speaker 1: of the European Union, and you all laughed at me. Well,
15:51
Speaker 1: I said, you're not laughing now, oh yeah, that was
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Speaker 1: But but but the last, the last last speech, which
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Speaker 1: we knew was the end, properly the end. And I thought, look,
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Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's let's leave. Let's go sort
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Speaker 1: of a little bit cheerfully. So we had our little
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Speaker 1: union jacks and were saying goodbye, and the humorless, faceless,
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Speaker 1: ghastly bureaucratic woman who was in the chair cut my
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Speaker 1: microphone off. So you're waving the British flag and it's
16:25
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like you're holding a cross up to vampire. Absolutely, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because they hate the nation state. They want to abonish
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Speaker 1: the nations. Say. Anyway, she cut the microphone off, which
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Speaker 1: has never happened to me in twenty one years there
16:38
Speaker 1: and we will not cut your microphone off, well not yet.
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Speaker 1: And she said, oh, you're leaving anyway, take your flags
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Speaker 1: and go. And you know something, that's what we did.
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Speaker 1: Let senator, I want to know from your perspective as
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Speaker 1: an American, as an American senator, what Brexit means for us,
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Speaker 1: because I think we were cheering it on in many
17:02
Speaker 1: ways because so many of the frustrations you're describing we
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Speaker 1: feel here in America. Look, I think it is a
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Speaker 1: powerful statement of sovereignty and of independence. It is shaking
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Speaker 1: off the yokes of a tyrannical government that's not listening
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Speaker 1: to the people. And you know, I think back to
17:21
Speaker 1: when you had the referendum and Barack Obama came over
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Speaker 1: there and lectured the British people. He condescended and you
17:29
Speaker 1: know what you talk about thinking you're someone's intellectual better.
17:32
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, just like the mandarins that run the EU,
17:36
Speaker 1: believed he was the moral and intellectual better. And I
17:39
Speaker 1: remember thinking, gosh, that can't be good for the forces
17:44
Speaker 1: that want to stay in the EU to have Obama
17:47
Speaker 1: condescending and hectoring the British voters. It was the way
17:52
Speaker 1: it was. There was a big BBC interview, and it
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Speaker 1: was the way he just looked down his nose at
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Speaker 1: the country has been your closest friend and ally for
18:02
Speaker 1: a hundred years, with whom we've spent much blood and treasure,
18:05
Speaker 1: you know, and been through some tough times and some
18:07
Speaker 1: good times together. It was shocking. It was shocking. We
18:12
Speaker 1: would go to the back of the line if we
18:14
Speaker 1: dared to leave the EU and see it and see
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Speaker 1: I'll admit it. At the time, so I was rooting
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Speaker 1: for Brexit, but I kept my mouth shut at it
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Speaker 1: because it wasn't my responsibility. What I said at the
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Speaker 1: time is, you know what, this is a determination for
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Speaker 1: the British people. If they choose to leave the EU,
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Speaker 1: that's a decision of national sovereignty. They have the right
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Speaker 1: to make that choice. But who am I to tell
18:35
Speaker 1: them how they should decide this. This is a decision
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Speaker 1: for the British people. And you know what, we wouldn't
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Speaker 1: appreciate Boris Johnson coming over and telling us how to
18:43
Speaker 1: run our country, and so we shouldn't. We should show
18:46
Speaker 1: you that same respect. It was a big mistake. It
18:48
Speaker 1: was a huge miscalculation. Cameron thought it was the absolute
18:52
Speaker 1: ace card in the pack. In fact, the British people
18:54
Speaker 1: were revolted by Obama and I think he sort of
18:57
Speaker 1: added one about one percent to our scores. They were
18:59
Speaker 1: quite great. I mean, look going on from here, I mean, look,
19:03
Speaker 1: you know, we we're the biggest investor in the USA,
19:06
Speaker 1: with the biggest davisas investor in your country. You're the
19:08
Speaker 1: biggest saversas investor in our country. We share a language,
19:13
Speaker 1: all right. I know we sound a bit different, but
19:15
Speaker 1: we share a language. Not everyone can have us refined
19:17
Speaker 1: an accent and were quite and we have an amazing
19:22
Speaker 1: shared history. Although there is the complaint from my fair
19:25
Speaker 1: lady of why can't the British teacher children how to speak?
19:31
Speaker 1: We have shared intelligence. We have been You're the big guys.
19:35
Speaker 1: But without the two of us, NATO wouldn't even exist,
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Speaker 1: all right, And going on, there's real work to do
19:41
Speaker 1: on organizations like NATO UM and so there's so many
19:45
Speaker 1: opportunities now between us. You know, we should be buying
19:48
Speaker 1: Levi's jeans and Harley Davison's without tariffs, and you should
19:51
Speaker 1: be buying Jaguarmodic cars and Scottish whiskey without charlish. I
19:54
Speaker 1: could serious that it's not difficult. You didn't bring any schedule.
19:59
Speaker 1: I do. But but here's the problem. Here's the problem,
20:01
Speaker 1: and you touched on it earlier. Despite my being joyous
20:07
Speaker 1: at where we are and with Brexit, and I now
20:11
Speaker 1: want to go out around the rest of Europe and
20:14
Speaker 1: spread the rebellion because I know I now want Europe
20:16
Speaker 1: to leave the EU and that's my next. By the way,
20:19
Speaker 1: who's next, Well, that depends, that depends on the economics
20:23
Speaker 1: of it. It could be it could be Italy or
20:25
Speaker 1: Greece the next time we have a serious economic downturn
20:27
Speaker 1: because they're in the wrong currency. The Euro is great
20:31
Speaker 1: for Germany. Yeah, it's great for Germany. Not so great
20:34
Speaker 1: for Italy because they've got a devalued currency effectively, so
20:37
Speaker 1: it's very good for them, setting motor cars into America
20:39
Speaker 1: and everything else. Well, I'm also sharing the frustrations of
20:42
Speaker 1: the Eastern European. Well I was, and this is so,
20:45
Speaker 1: this is interesting. The West of Europe led culture, but
20:49
Speaker 1: the French has become fanatical about multiculturalism and a whole
20:53
Speaker 1: series of very very woke type issues. Listen, these Hungarians
20:57
Speaker 1: and these Poles are very traditional countries, very Christian countries,
21:01
Speaker 1: very proud of their identity. I mean, goodness me, these
21:05
Speaker 1: countries have suffered under communism, Nazism, Millions of their people
21:10
Speaker 1: have been extermination, so via tanks are a real memory. Absolutely,
21:14
Speaker 1: and you know it's only thirty years ago, right that
21:17
Speaker 1: they broke free. And suddenly you've got bureaucrats in Brussels
21:21
Speaker 1: telling them who consider on their High Court that what
21:23
Speaker 1: to do about gay marriage and many other issues. So
21:26
Speaker 1: you know, you've got the economic North South split, You've
21:29
Speaker 1: got the cultural East West split. I don't know who's next.
21:32
Speaker 1: All I do know is that the phenomenal opportunities that
21:35
Speaker 1: we've got to bring back together the English speaking people's
21:40
Speaker 1: of the world. I mean, this is what Churchill used
21:42
Speaker 1: to talk about, and you know what, he was absolutely
21:45
Speaker 1: right then and it's absolutely right now. But I do
21:48
Speaker 1: fear that Boris Johnson's decision to with our Huawei into
21:52
Speaker 1: our into helping to build our new fibers. Way is
21:55
Speaker 1: this Chinese technology company. Yeah, it's a Chinese technology but
21:59
Speaker 1: here's the point, there's no such thing in China as
22:01
Speaker 1: a private company. You know, this is a communist state,
22:05
Speaker 1: a communist dictatorship. I'd say Boris's decision on Wawi at
22:09
Speaker 1: the minute has put things on hold. I mean, for example,
22:12
Speaker 1: there is no there is no date in Madari for
22:15
Speaker 1: Boris Johnson to come and visit Trump at the White House.
22:18
Speaker 1: Now this should this should have been happening very very quickly.
22:21
Speaker 1: I even worry that with Huawei on the scene, where
22:26
Speaker 1: the Congress at the moment would even pass because the
22:30
Speaker 1: should be separate. But are they. Yeah, So let me
22:33
Speaker 1: explain this a little bit. Huawei is this giant telecom
22:36
Speaker 1: company that is owned and controlled by the Chinese government.
22:39
Speaker 1: The Chinese government is investing billions in building a global
22:43
Speaker 1: surveillance network, and they come to countries all over the
22:47
Speaker 1: world and and and they offer incredibly cheap telecom equipment.
22:51
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit like the drug dealer that
22:53
Speaker 1: shows up at a junior high and says, just try.
22:57
Speaker 1: That's what Huawei is doing. Wow. And the the reason
23:00
Speaker 1: they're doing it, they're not doing it to make money.
23:02
Speaker 1: They're doing it to install surveillance equipment. Britain unfortunately, just
23:07
Speaker 1: announced that they're going to install Wahwei equipment on some
23:10
Speaker 1: of their telecom infrastructure. One of the big problems with that.
23:15
Speaker 1: So there is this thing called five Eyes. What is
23:19
Speaker 1: five Eyes means? Five Eyes is an alliance of five countries,
23:22
Speaker 1: the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
23:26
Speaker 1: And we share the most sensitive intelligence and security. So
23:30
Speaker 1: if we intercept communications between the Russians and the Chinese,
23:36
Speaker 1: we share that amongst ourselves. Now here's the problem. From
23:40
Speaker 1: from from US national security perspective. If Wahwei equipment is
23:44
Speaker 1: installed in the UK, we've got a serious problem sharing
23:49
Speaker 1: our intelligence with the UK. And listen, we are strong
23:54
Speaker 1: friends of the British. We will remain strong friends of
23:56
Speaker 1: the British. But but if, if, if I hope the
24:00
Speaker 1: British government reverses its decisions on Huawei, and if they don't,
24:05
Speaker 1: I think we will have to reevaluate the five eyes relationship.
24:08
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, four eyes are better
24:12
Speaker 1: than six eyes, right right, you don't want that six eyes.
24:14
Speaker 1: That's a great quote. And I'm going to take that
24:16
Speaker 1: home with me. I'm going to make sure three British
24:18
Speaker 1: media and British conservative politicians understanding hear that message loud
24:22
Speaker 1: and clear. This is a mistake. It needs to be reversed.
24:25
Speaker 1: We love and trust the British. Yeah, but we were
24:28
Speaker 1: not interested in having our most sensitive intelligence intercepted by
24:32
Speaker 1: the Chinese and read by the Chinese communist governments. You know,
24:35
Speaker 1: we have just about a minute left, and I'm sorry
24:38
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten to the most important issue. I know.
24:41
Speaker 1: This is the one we've been on the edge of
24:42
Speaker 1: our seats about. We've talked about Brexit. We have to
24:45
Speaker 1: talk about Mexo. Meghan Marco breaking up your royal fan. Look,
24:51
Speaker 1: you know, Harry, he's not the easiest of lives, you know,
24:55
Speaker 1: and some tough things happening. He found his way in
24:59
Speaker 1: the world. He joined the arm He loved the army.
25:02
Speaker 1: He did two tours of Afghanistan. He held some very
25:06
Speaker 1: distinguished positions, Captain General of our raw Marines and many
25:09
Speaker 1: other things. And then he married Megan. I'm sorry. If
25:15
Speaker 1: you're born into wealth and privilege in the royal family,
25:17
Speaker 1: you're also born into duty. And they told the Queen
25:21
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep the royal titles, go to the
25:24
Speaker 1: West coast, to la and make money, not do any
25:27
Speaker 1: royal engagements. They wanted to, as we say in England,
25:29
Speaker 1: have their cake and eat it. And the Queen, at
25:32
Speaker 1: nearly ninety four years old, has put her foot down
25:38
Speaker 1: and said God save the Queen, and said, you no
25:41
Speaker 1: longer can call yourselves he isn't her Royal Highness. You
25:44
Speaker 1: no longer effectively are members of the royal family. You
25:48
Speaker 1: are private citizens. Now get on an aeroplane and go
25:51
Speaker 1: off to the West coast, go off to Vancouver Island.
25:54
Speaker 1: Go off to La because we don't want you here anymore.
25:57
Speaker 1: Isn't the Queen truly wonderful? She is so wonderful. I
26:00
Speaker 1: was wonderful because we couldn't have we couldn't have our
26:03
Speaker 1: monarchy being devalued like and becomes so primiss on a
26:07
Speaker 1: personal level, How genuinely pissed do you think they are
26:10
Speaker 1: at each other? Oh? Listen, the Queen is old enough
26:14
Speaker 1: to have lived through our disastrous short reign of Edward
26:19
Speaker 1: the Eighth, who, of course, as we found out later,
26:21
Speaker 1: was a Nazi sympathizer and many other things, and the
26:24
Speaker 1: Royal family got rid of him, banished him. He lived
26:27
Speaker 1: in Paris for the rest of his life. And I
26:30
Speaker 1: think she takes the view that Harry and Megan, if
26:32
Speaker 1: they stayed in the United Kingdom, would do the Royal
26:34
Speaker 1: family immense damage. And for anyone that's watched The Crown
26:38
Speaker 1: in a couple of years time, this will be the
26:40
Speaker 1: best episode ever. Yeah. Well, I will say though, seeing
26:44
Speaker 1: them power around with with with with Hollywood liberals, I
26:48
Speaker 1: apologize for the impact of our country. You're welcome to him,
26:57
Speaker 1: all right. Well, now that we've at least touched down
26:59
Speaker 1: the most important topic, I think we have got to
27:01
Speaker 1: let you go. Thank you, Nigel Farage, Thank you so
27:03
Speaker 1: much for being here, Senator. Thank you for having such
27:06
Speaker 1: illustrious friends and giving the vantage of a US senator
27:10
Speaker 1: to the man who just broke the European Union. We'll
27:14
Speaker 1: have to cause a little bit more trouble on future episodes.
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