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SHREK FOREVER AFTER...with DIRECTOR Mike Mitchell! · Very Amusing with Carlye Wisel - A Theme Park Podcast

• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and welcome to very amusing.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: You're one stop shop for the story secrets and shenanigans of a popcorn fueled theme park journalist.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm her the ways out, and I'm a little more coffee if you will today because I was at Disneyland until late last night.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And today, I am recording the first episode of Shrek Semba!
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know we're here.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know, we're back, we're back baby.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Shrek Semba are fifth, sixth, sixth, Shrek Semba.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe I can't believe it's still going, and it's only getting better because today's guest no offense to our other Shreksenberg guests.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who's the best Shreksenberg's a guest we've ever had.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is the best interview we've ever done for Shreksenberg, and we have so many fun ones ahead.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we have one more.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're doing two Shreksenberg a half month Shreksenberg this year because there's some others.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot going on in theme parks, and I gotta get it in.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: But we have two Shreksenberg episodes.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: This is Shreksenberg episode one.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't even said that we're going to so long my mouth won't make the shape, and I am so excited to share with you before we do that.
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I have to tell you about my night at Disneyland.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I went to the Mickey's Christmas Carol dinner at storyteller's cafe.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure that's what it's called, right?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: My favorite second guest myself, Mickey and Christmas Carol storytellers.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, you can hear me tap the tap.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mickey's Christmas!
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Carol Feast.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's very delicious.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's Disneyland Resort and it was fantastic.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It was fantastic.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Scrooge McDuck was there.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Making a mini were there in fantastic costumes.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Claire about Jacob Marley Goofy.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: And let me tell you, I saw Goofy from across the room.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Teal Goofy headed to Teal.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Glowing, it felt like seeing AI in real life.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like couldn't basically handle it.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Anytime I saw Goofy in the background, I would just stop eating and freeze or scream, scream to multiple times.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm an adult and I scream to multiple times.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And then Goofy just disappeared.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: This was like, oh, like, when to go talk to Max, did not come back for over an hour.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And I was tripping, I was straight worrying.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And eventually Goofy did come back and we got to meet Teele Goofy.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And it was heaven.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was absolute heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I had the best time.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I loved it so much.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I went to book it again.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Every single reservation is booked even like a random Tuesday in January before it ends on like January 6th I think is the last day done not happening.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sorry if you heard that two two That was me having to move my car.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: So I will go do that stick around for truly one of the best episodes We've ever done the best episodes.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: We ever done it so much fun.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you're gonna love it tricks up a forever
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is not a short list of America's greatest films.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, this is a mere selection of our guests, IMDB credits.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we have director Mike Mitchell on the podcast today.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: the man behind Shrek forever after.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Argus directed a whole Shrek film is here to y'all about it with us for Shrek's Ember.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Truly a highlight.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I could have talked in like for 10 hours.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: That is how fun this interview is.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Truly after this episode, after the amount of knowledge and behind the scenes details he drops, I was like, do I have to write a shrug and apology book?
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is this my new career?
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: The sheer amount of Wikipedia footnotes I will need to submit from this discussion alone would blow your mind.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is easily one of my favorite interviews.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: We have ever done and very amusing, peer-regard.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And to be kicking off Shrek's number of 20, 25, with the director of a Shrek film is so exciting.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not just that.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: The details that this dude is dropping, the tea he is spilling, will...
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: blow your mind.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to spoil everything up front and I won't, but the one thing I will say, the one thing I will let leak is that he plays an iconic role in a Shrek film and you will hear me freak out and we will all be freaking out together when you listen to it.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike in this interview explains how animation works, what it's like to direct a film, what it's like to work with these creative people who come up with these ideas, what it was like to animate back in the day versus
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: just knowledge bombs everywhere.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I had a blast, I had the most fun.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you are not as familiar with Shrek forever after, because you know, it's been a number of years.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to refresh your memory, the Shrek forever after the fourth film in the Shrek franchise, the fourth installment in the Shrek franchise.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I meant to say.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was built as the final Shrek film for a very long time, until Shrek 5 was announced, which will be coming out in a couple of years.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: But Mike is here to really tell us all about what it was like making that and some of the other Shrek films.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: And if you don't recall Shrek forever after he's essentially an it's a wonderful lifestyle story.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: At this point, Shrek is married to Fiona.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, spoiler alert, but you had time to watch it.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: He's married to Fiona.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He has three children, Fergus, Farco, and Felicia.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're going to be celebrating Shrek's number, you got to know the baby's nicks.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: he has children, and he basically just gets frustrated with being a young dad.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's tiring.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It's exhausting.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he wishes that he could go back to his old life.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: And in this film, we see what that alternate reality would be.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it is such a good movie.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is such a good movie, and I'm so excited to be talking about it today in our first installment,
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to keep you any further from one of the greatest interviews of all time.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Please enjoy Mike Mitchell.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Please enjoy his talent, his skills, the films this dude has herald in, would blow your mind.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, SpongeBob movie, SpongeBob of Water, Alvin and Chipmunks, Chipwreck, what can't you do?
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I won't keep you any longer, but wow.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow!
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Mike Mitchell, a genius gift to us all.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Enjoy this episode of Shrek Summer.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, the pleasure is mine because to say you have an interesting resume is really to undersell it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a weird one, I know.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, your directorial debut was Doose Bigelow.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Doose Bigelow, male jiggleow, produced by Adam Sandler.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: to have that be your directorial debut and then your animated directorial debut be struck forever after is really just like making just a beautiful puzzle of interests.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: They should have never allowed me into the children's film, family film arena, but they did.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't see the sky high is very good sky high is great.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't make fun of that when I love that one that in trolls I love trolls and I love strike four.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love all this tracks in fact I was buddies with all the people working on track one and they pulled me into track two This is a fun fact and they needed an ending so I wrote and boarded
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  [SPEAKER_03]: the ending with a giant gingerbread guy.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know the ending where giant ginger, they ride him into the castle to save the day.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was my sequence.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I named him Mongo, which I was delighted that they kept his name.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, go, Mongo.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they use his name somehow.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason he's named Mongo is because I'm such a huge fan of Mel Brooks and blazing saddles and there's a character named Mongo who says Mongo like candy in that film.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why the giant gingerbread is named gingerbread guy is named Mongo.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And can I say one more thing about that sequence?
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: can you I will never end this in okay tell me I just make sure I don't talk too much you've got to interject because I will go on and on because I love track and I love talking about it and I have so many friends from working on track but so when I was boarding that sequence this was so long ago I lived in a place called Eagle Rock.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this was before if you could believe it I think flip phones were just invented and this was before there was a Starbucks on every corner and I think we just started to have Starbucks on every corner because it was a joke that we put in the film at the last minute, but anyway
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go into a place, a coffee place.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was before people had like coffee machines in their kitchen.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's the thing that makes the foam and the steam.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they let me go, yeah, yeah.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: They let me go behind the counter.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I had to draw that because I had a gag where I wanted them to steam the milk that they poured down from the castle, you know, instead of hot oil, they're pouring down hot milk on the giant gingerbread guy.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I needed to know what that machine looked like for the gag.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was with a sketchbook behind the counter with everyone staring at me sketching the steaming machine.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like you made these films in the 1800s.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We did this, but we might as well.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: you just mentioned that you you wrote in storyboarded scenes in a different film which means that you're drawing your writing scripts and you're directing in animation to the all just kind of fall into one or is that just you being very good at your job well there's always writers and there's always directors of every film but it is a very strange
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: thing where we're also writing visually through storyboards, so the board artists and the writers work together.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what you do is you just do as fast as you can, you do these chicken scratched drawings like on the back of a cocktail napkin, thousands of them.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get up, you pitch the sequence based on something a writer has written, but you're adding gags and you're adding ideas and you're coming up with ideas.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's almost like workshopping a play where the director
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: and they put temporary music to it and we don't even bother the actors like for example I did the scratch voice for donkey and trek for awful not cool my voice being donkey but I did my best but you just grab everyone and haven't come in to do the timp voices timp music whatever
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you sit in a theater, there's a theater at DreamWorks, and you project all these screech-y scratchy drawings as if it's a film, you pretend it's a film, and you sit back and you watch the film.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you go, wow, at the end, you go, what a horrible film we made.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: take it down and you keep the parts that are kind of working and that people laughed at and then you start over.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like I said, it's like workshopbing a play, unlike a live action film, where you just keep making it and drawing it and drawing it and like for like, I directed a film called Trolls, I think we did like eight.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: That is so sweet of you to act like we don't all very intimately know what Trolls.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's very, thank you, thank you.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But eight, we did like eight to ten versions of trolls.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So by the end of it, you kind of got to figure it out and you're like, okay, let's bring in the real actors.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's like really start animating it.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's start spending money on it.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So in a nutshell, I hope that helps you understand that's how animation is done.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm kind of tired hearing about how even one of these films is created.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's exhausting to hit a three year is out of your life, and it hasn't changed since the 90s.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: They take three years to make it.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh gosh.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Woman like spending so much of your life working on the Shrek franchise, and even growing it into a franchise.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's great because when you work on a film that you like and I love the world of Shrek, you get to live in this fairy tale world for three, three years and I love fairy tales.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a huge fan of fairy tales.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: All of them.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love the Pied Piper and we figured out a way to put him in the Shrek film and I was delighted by that.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, that just came from you being like, I dig that story?
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a need so much sense in the movie.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes it does but but yeah, I mean you're at your fingertips.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have all these fairy tales.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to me, those are the greatest IP from a million years ago.
• 12:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You just said it sounds like you make these films, you know, in the 1600s or whatever you said.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're fairy tales are from a billion years ago.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like the original old school IP.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're these stories that just stand the test of time and crazy
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: the three pigs alone you could like it's it's just it is a grab bag of amazing characters and that's what I love about working on all those strike films.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know it's a little funny to be asking you questions 15 years after you made a film, but for you, if you can, talk to me about the creative process.
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is really cheesy, but at the time, my boys who are now 18 and 20 years old, they were babies, infants.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was, I had the, the Shrek strap on, you know, where you put your baby and the baby be worn, and I had the car seats, and your life really changes overnight when you have children.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, I have a toddler and um, I was not expecting to, so I rewatched the film.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I've seen it many times before, but I rewatched it, realizing it was the first time seen it since I became a parent.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I was not expecting to be weeping at Shrek forever.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it is a different experience when you can understand that so deeply.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's what I was going through at the time.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I couldn't believe the hospital just lets you drive away with this baby, right?
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like with no information.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you're just going to let me put this kid in the car seat that I barely knew how to put in my car.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, so I was very much in Shrek's headspace of like, wow, my life is just changed.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing is going to be the same.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm scared of it.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm into it.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love these kids, but that was really cool.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, it didn't hurt that my kids played Shrek's babies in the film too.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so that's what I was going through.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I love it when I can work on a film one that's in a fairy tale world that I love.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, too, it's a theme of something that I need to learn in my life, of like how great, I mean, life is so hard with a toddler.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's so much to do, and it's so much work, but man, take that all the way, and it's awful.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like we love it.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the greatest.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the weirdest,
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: thing in the world.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a wonderful nightmare.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the greatest thing and so strange.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was happy to be working on that theme and I was very happy to be in that world.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, what an interesting headspace to be into, to be living it and then living it through the narrative of the Shrek film.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And you were, you know, leaving your family to go work on this movie and like trying to search for your sense of self in terms of your job, but then also what you're there, you're just
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and Shrek is very relatable.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I find him very unique in the family film space where he is the Tony Suprano for children.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he is a cranky, angry, kind of f***ed up.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guy that I think is very relatable.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like Oscar the Grouch.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're both the same color.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like a very relatable where you're allowed to be angry and annoyed and what balances his character off beautifully.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: and you know Mike Myers plays him great, but Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy is so joyful and happy and doesn't tune into his emotions at all, and it's just comically perfect, I think.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, now that some time has passed since the film, when you look back on it, what are like the big memories that bloom?
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Are there any moments where you guys really like nail the story beat or like the film finally coming out?
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because when you think back on it,
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll tell you a few things is one, you know, how I said we make the film and make the film and remake the film and throw it away and make it again.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: The first version of the film was so crazy and silly.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe they didn't escort me to my car with a cardboard box filled with my stuff.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was so, and Jeffrey Katsovirt was really cool in understanding how animation works and how you make these films and that they evolve.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But looking back, I was like, oh my god, I would have gotten rid of me in a second.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was crazy.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was teen teenage Shrek with acne and it was Fiona going to the prom and I think she hulked out at the prom.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: and her hands got big and she had to run into it, a bathroom stall.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was all stuff that we threw away and it didn't work.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting to see how much like that we were grown up enough to say, this isn't working.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're getting rid of it and we're starting over.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Another interesting memory was I played a character.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to do the voice of a character named Butter Pants in the film.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's this little kid that goes do the roar.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: We do it.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: We that's
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's me.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're due to the work.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a little lolly pop holding kid.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and who knew that like now like ninth graders go crazy for this, because he's a meme somehow.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He became a meme of like, do it, do their own.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love you, Daddy.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: What a weird accident that happened.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got two lines in the film, but I was like, yeah.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was fun too, because another fun thing about working on these animated films,
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: is you have a team of like five or six board artists.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when I'm directing, I let these board artists draw in whatever style they want to draw in.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like they you draw the way you draw.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, Shrek sometimes look like when Dave Smith drew him, he looked like Fred Flintstone, or like when Anthony Zirhat drew him, he looked like the live action man from Broadway playing
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like everyone drew him like Claire Morrissey draws straight different and who was at Maggie King worked on it and she just directed a K-pop demon hunters by the way, tremendous director Maggie King and her donkey was if you could believe it's so cute and charming and her scenes were so emotional.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And nice.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, what really turns me on is you get to see everyone's thumbprint like all these artists thumbprint and you know soon it goes through the big CGI machine and it all becomes the same But that's another memory of me being really interested and fascinated by
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: by all these different artists.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's fun to see the board artist work with the writers.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in this case, it was Josh Klausner, who's a director.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He just directed an independent film called St. Peter, that's coming out soon.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Darren Limcky, who wrote Kung Fu Panda 4 for me.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're just tremendous writers and when they work with the board artists and they're all like trading ideas around the table and working together, it just makes a magical creative atmosphere that I'll never forget.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: my gosh.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And when you're directing something like this art, you're in it from the start.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like like you don't come on when things have started like you're there at the beginning of day one.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It depends.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some films I come in after it started or I'm coming in.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But but on this one, it was the I was part the way I got pulled in as a director is I was part of the roundtable of like maybe seven or eight.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: kids.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're all just talking about what would be a great story.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what what's the perfect track story.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the more it's when we came up with the idea that Fiona was a warrior like in an alternate universe, she's the head of an ogre army.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: and if she doesn't have kids, if she's not a mom, she's going to be the mom of all these ogres and just be bad.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh man, I love this story.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like the Fiona and Cameron, I think this is Cameron Diaz's best performance, but her Fiona as a ogre warrior princess,
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was so, I was like, man, another director is going to come in and fall this up, man.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's so sad.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was meeting, I remember I got the phone call was leaving, I'm in a name drop if you don't mind.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, please.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to direct a Steve Martin live action film and I was leaving Steve Martin's house.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I got to, I'm pretty cool, right?
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he had his band joes in front of his fireplace.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he had his golden retrievers.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's very serious guy.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're talking about the film.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And as I drove away, Katz and Bert called me on my phone my flip phone, because it was a long time ago.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Clam shell phone.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It hadn't been 10 up, by the way.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the phone did.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a lot of fun.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: The first name drop was pretty good, but a Katzenberg call on an old school cell phone driving through LA.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a little more fun.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's old school Hollywood.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, baby.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Katzenberg is a name drop, but at the time he wasn't because I spent so much time with him.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ruined all my vacations, but anyway, he called me up and he's a maddie.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Had you liked a direct shred for.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, you know what I'm gonna do this because I love this story the story so good now that being said when
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike Myers came aboard.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: He really wanted to do a film about Shrek's dad and who knows, maybe Shrek five will be like this.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he wanted to have Sean Connery be Shrek's dad, which is also a great idea.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was almost creating two films at one time because they're both really good ideas and they didn't go together.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we ended up going with the better film which was the one that we made, I think, Shrek forever after.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of Shrek 5, so Shrek Forever after was really billed as the final Shrek film.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was, they called it the final chapter, isn't that funny?
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's a longer true.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, and even when we called it the final chapter, that is a marketing trick that movies do.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even way back then, I think the studio, it wasn't up to me.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't own the franchise, but I was like, I remember everyone going, we're just going to say this.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter, we can still make more, whatever.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I used it as a as a thing of like what if this is the last one I better stick the landing.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna do everything I can We're gonna try to be as as emotional as we can at the end and satisfied but it's gonna take them almost 20 years, which is it's self is pretty shocking Ridiculous it took so long to make the fifth one that now an entire new generation is obsessed with track
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here's the thing that I like working on these sequels because, you know, I work on like SpongeBob and Alvin and the chipmunks.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is interesting to work on these and kind of go, why do these last so long?
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is it about these characters?
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel by the end of it, like I did one of those Lego films as well.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And after making it, you're the my modest man alive by the way.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if it's soon.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know my resume.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, when I go in for jobs, no one knows what I do.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have to rattle this off.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: No one looks at IMDB.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh, I'm shocked.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also, we're theme park people.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: All of this stuff falls into it.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like a hero.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, good.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to make it to, I want to do a theme park ride.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: How fun would that be, but I want to know.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You should, you can't put at it.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you imagine a trolls theme ride?
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that would be so psychedelic and everyone would be covered in glitter at the end.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It'd probably be, we'd get a lot of lawsuits.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: People would have glitter in their eyes, in their mouth, in their clothes.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's just you sign away all your rights when you step inside.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're fine.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's your step past the sign that measures you for how tall you are to take this ride.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's your path, your path's threshold.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: How does the trolls write not exist?
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: So many character meat and greets based off the films.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, hook me up.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I bet with your people in your fan base, you can get me in a meeting somehow.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I can do that.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can make it happen for you.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, back to track.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: But where were we talking about it?
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to ask you, what it's been like to watch, Shrek just kind of inch his way back into the zeitgeist where now Shrek is like, as relevant as he's ever been and a movie hasn't come out in 15 years.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fascinating, and I love it because I have loved Shrek from the beginning.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And for a little while there, people were like, oh, Shrek, he's just a farty stupid sell out.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like I said, he's a very special character.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's grumpy, and that's great for kids to see an angry character that's relatable is so great.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then he's just surrounded.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: by great talent, not just Cameron Diaz, but Eddie Murphy is Donkey, Antonio Banderas, as person boots, give me a break.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then forget about the whole cast of Fairy Tail characters and then Prince Charming is so funny.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: He did the first slow motion in CGI hair flip, where his hair was in slow motion.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: They do that in every animated film now and it started with Prince Charming.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: see there's so many things that I just don't know that you know, which is just no more.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's another thing.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, um, I always say that like even though you and I are communicating over Zoom and everyone uses Zoom all the time and everyone meets on Zoom, I find it to be when I'm working kind of a sneeze guard between creativity because I remember this is another memory I had, um,
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: being at a table with all the board artists, and these are the funniest people in the world that can also draw pictures.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're all talking about what we should be doing.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And often the corner was Dave Smith, and someone else started giggling, and this was the beginning of the internet, right?
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the internet had just started.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like what's going on over there?
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I call it popcorn.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You see popcorn happening and I'm like guys what's what you guys laughing at and they're like Well, we're looking at pictures of overweight cats and they started to show the table overweight cats And then everyone was riffing.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how great would it be if person boots was overweight with a pink bow
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I was getting nervous going I got to sell the studio on this because the studio hated that idea They did not like Antonio vendors but what a funny idea and I could just tell with everyone laughing and talking I was like this is this is a great idea
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: What does it like for you to be a director of a film like this specifically where you're kind of the middleman between the corporate side, but also the writing this being done is really pushing a boundary?
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: How do you how do you live between those worlds?
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one, I live, I'm one of the fans.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's great when you're directing something that you're a fan of, and so that's my meter.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, if I'm offended, the fans are gonna be offended and if I love it, the fans are gonna love it.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then it was, in this instance, it was really great because
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: At the time, Jeffrey Katziber was a really great leader and he was very demanding and he wanted things to be great, but he wouldn't come in and tell you how to do it.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what he would do is he would come in and he's a poker player and he would point out things and he would say, no one's going to understand this.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I see that you guys are trying to be funny.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like he would say all these wonderful things and then walk away and that's not how things are done these days.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Usually people
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: the leadership wants to be creative and they want to tell you how it should be done and they want to tell you what drawings you need to do and what would be funny.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm much preferred working with this guy where he would point out how you could be better and then he'd leave the room and you would hotdle up with your crew and we would become even stronger going, okay, let's do this note how we're gonna please daddy and show him and make him regret his words, which we did quite a bit like I'll give you an example.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of them was he was like, guys,
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is my imitation of Jeffrey, you didn't say that.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't believe you've had this podcast for almost six years and we've had no cats and bergametations so far.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: But my imitation is not accurate, but it's a flavor of who he is.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, guys, person boots in track two, lick themself.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He lifted his leg and he licked himself.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: outstanding the eyes went crazy what's your moment for person boots he needs to lick himself and we're like okay and for weeks we blew him off we're like we don't need to do that it we've seen it in part two he's licked himself and then he's like guys person boots needs to lick himself where's he like okay okay okay so with them we put in person boots licking himself and then we showed it to him and you know this is all rough boards yeah he goes now
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not, he's just licking himself.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: He already did that in part two.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: How does he part four lick himself?
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're like, oh my god, man, it's still brew the coffee.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we had teams of people thinking about how one the person boots big eyes and how is he going to lick himself on blah, blah.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel that if we came up with a perfect moment where I don't know if you remember the film,
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: he asks donkey to lick to lick him and then he does the big eyes and we we kept we compounded two of our issues together but that's what's hard about doing these sequels too is you can't just do the same joke again like Pinocchio's knows can't just bro again you've got to come up with a part four reason that everyone wants it but not how they
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: back did.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does that make sense?
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's so uniquely tricky.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I also just love picturing you just leaving behind the stress of having young children to go to work.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then just fretting about how are we going to make Puss and Booth lick himself.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ridiculous.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I get paid for that.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then I get to go home and go kids.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guess what dad did.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I figured it out.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Puss is licking himself.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Donkey's going to lick him.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so happy.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: That must have been such a high when you guys finally figured it out.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's also silly at the end of the day.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: These animated films are, it's really ridiculous that, uh, specifically the group of the Shrek people.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: The people that originated Shrek were really a bunch of silly people, like they're really dedicated and really funny.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I've noticed in the industry, people of haven't, they're not as funny as they used to be back in the day.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And those guys, the whole group would just crack each other up.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was gonna ask you how different was the process of making Shrek forever after compared to making a comparable film now.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what has really changed in that process?
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I know the release is probably quite different now, but the creative process, what has changed since then?
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's weird because everyone wanted me to be nervous because it was such a friend.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even back then they're like, this is the big one.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the Mickey Mouse of DreamWorks.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which is true.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I never felt that pressure.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I remember even the interviews were like, what was it like to have that in your hands and all that money?
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't worry at all.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was all for me.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm in same or I'm not worrying about the right stuff.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I felt very confident.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, that makes sense because you have really robust characters to play with.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was fortunate enough to grab Dave Smith is a board artist and Walt Dorn who actually voiced Rumpel still skin.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ended up voicing Rumpel still.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and I read the note.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's directing Co-Directing the fifth one.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's co-directing the fifth one.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Walton, he also, I think he directed the last troll's movie as well.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, is it that communal as it seems like from the outside where every like the same kind of group of people or either storyboarding or voicing or just they're kind of all working together?
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: you want new people but you also want some connective tissues so a lot of times and in fact he's co-directing with clonrad vernan who co-directed the second one and does the voice of jingy so all the family go figure he also does the voice of one of the monkeys for madagascar so yes it is in sestuous you're right you're right we all
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: we all uh we leave when we come back but it's it's always nice to have fresh faces, fresh artists, young artists but it's always good to bring in some of the old crew that remembers the good old days.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: At this point in your career what is the dream project?
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is there anything left?
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well I'll tell you yeah there's loads of stuff out there loads of stuff and
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love Jim Henson.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm buddies with loads of puppeteers that work for the Jim Henson Studios.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a show called Puppet Up, that happens every once in a while, and I'm friends with all the people in Puppet Up.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: They are so talented, so talented.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like really clever, clever, groundlings actors that were trained by the Jim Henson company to do puppets.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I have maybe three to four puppet projects.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what we're doing is we're combining CGI with puppets.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: so we go in and we animate their eyes and their eyebrows and without me getting too much into it, it is phenomenal and we have a blast and so any one of those projects going and then and it's with that.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is that public knowledge?
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do I have to edit this out?
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I probably, I think you have to edit it out because I don't think it's known but I'm so excited by you have no idea.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and then just sent me to look at
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of my first jobs was working on Nightmare before Christmas and James the giant peach.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Did you just drop some lore that you worked on the Nightmare before Christmas?
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's right.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Way back to the day.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, dude, I am such an old dude.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I worked on Rinnon Stimpy, do you remember Rinnon Stimpy?
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with the guy who's with Conrad Vernon, Rinnon Stimpy, and Tom McGrath, who's directing, he directed the boss baby and the Madagascar boopies.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, I already knew you were a legend, but now.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're going to make me feel so old.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to lose a tooth now during this interview.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to spit a tooth out on the ground.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you keel over, just press your life alert, and you'll be fine.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you'll call 911 for me, right?
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't think I'll just yell really loud, and hopefully someone on the other end will hear it.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, we are puppet people, and very amusing.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: So much so that I'm going to leap out the majority of what you just said, so we can make sure these projects still get greenlit.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, please.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, wow, wow, so much to look forward to ahead.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But to sum up your question is, I like when something comes out that looks really new and fresh.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't matter if it's connected to an IP or not, but like Spider-Verse is a good example.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't we all love when that came out?
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, oh my gosh, Spider-Verse looks so much different.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even the Ninja Turtles movie, which I didn't work on at all, but like, wow, they really found a clever look to that.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel that if you're constantly evolving,
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... and it doesn't have to be technology that goes forward you can just like use old school mixed with new school so that's what i like in filmmaking so it in a way to be creative and have a different look that's what i'm all about that must be so fun to kind of have the same job for so long but have it changed so much
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I love it.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like going to summer camp or at the end of a job.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It takes three years and you hug all the people in you cry and you're gonna miss them so much and then the people you can't stand.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're like, bye, goodbye forever.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, it's so cool that as new technologies emerge, you're able to do what you do in a totally different way.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and that's why, yeah, it's weird.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, this is how old I am, too.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when it used to all be hand drawn animation, right?
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like a little mermaid was all done on paper and pencil in these desks.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what the desks look like?
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, hold the light bulb, when you get with your Disney fan, they train you very well on what the desks are.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, great.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The light bulb used to burn your thigh, too, when you're thinking when I was in school.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I remember I'm so old.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember they shoved all the desks into the hallway, and they did this at Disney, DreamWorks, and Blue Sky.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Get them out of here.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're done.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Take them off to the wood shipper, and we're only going to do CGI movies.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we all panicked.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I'm a ledite.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I told you I like pencil and paper.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: and all the artists were like, I don't know how to do.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to retrain myself from scraps.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is very stressful and scary.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of the leadership, like Jeffrey Cantsberg gave people lessons.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, you can go to classes and we'll pay for it.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to learn CGI animation, right?
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And lo and behold, it didn't mean the end of 2D animation because we still have that.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like we still see it, like all the Miyazaki films and all that stuff didn't end it, but it did create loads more jobs.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hopeful that every time people get scared of this technology as I do, I'm like, I think back at that moment, I'm like, I think this is gonna just evolve, it's a tool, it's gonna create more jobs, it'll shift jobs away from other things, but that's the hope.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I will see optimism.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's I think it's accurate too.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's all I have.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is there anything that we didn't cover?
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it I didn't tell you an interesting story on track four.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had recorded the villain was Leonardo DiCaprio and we actually animated the villain with his voice.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was phenomenal.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we tested the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio as Rumpel still skin.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: What?
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a true story, and Leo was such a great actor and so intense that he made the whole movie terrifying.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was a scary, it became a horror film.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was very hard to laugh at even Eddie Murphy's donkey.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was terrifying.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we had to shift at the last minute and we didn't have any time.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's how Walt, who did his scratch, just got the job.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And further
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Leo wrote three of the funniest lines in the film, and when he said him, when he performed his lines, no laugh at all, and then when Wall performed the lines that Leo adlibbed, they're the biggest laughs in the movie.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I found that fascinating, fascinating.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember which lines they were?
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's good.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of them was, um, he was like, how would I take one of your days from you, Shrek, you know, like a day, you lost a pet the day you had the flu, something like that.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Shrek goes, how about the damn at nonkey?
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a dad like to forget.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then Ruppa Selsen goes, ha, ha, and laughs.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But Leo said, ha, ha, I don't know who that is.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was just being an actor.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, you haven't told me that I'm aware of who donkey is in the world.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a brilliant actor and he was on top of every line, right?
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't get a laugh, but when Walt says it, it gets a huge laugh.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that is.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He laughs, but then he doesn't know who donkey is, is a big line.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then he also came up with a lot of the lines when he's intimidating the witches.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, anyone wants some water, some agua,
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: practically wrote that scene.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, when Leo did it, it was terrifying.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You were scared for the witches.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then when Walt did it, it got huge laughs.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's so wild that there could have been some weird like Halloween Horror Night's version of Shrek.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with the art of the Caprio.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, bizarre, right?
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really bizarre.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that happens a lot in the animated films where you go down a path with an actor and then you recast him.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It happens quite a bit, but that was one of the instances where it ended up, and then all the animators celebrated because they all loved Walt, you know?
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when we announced it, they're like, one of us is gonna be... Also, to replace Leonardo the Caprio is so wild.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big deal.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's why he's directing the next one.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's what gave Walt his, his, his, his, his, his, street cred.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, if he can take over Lee, we can do anything.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm great to meet you.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're so sorry to meet you too.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, thank you for taking the time and listening to my old man's stories.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Carly, this is Tyler from up in the frozen parts of Canada, and I would drive to work right now.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking to a podcast, you might be familiar with it, the Grinch podcast, not sure if you've heard it at all, but there is a certain intonation that the Grinch makes, and the actor that creates the Grinch makes, and there's an energy that is addictive and
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that I listen to it on a higher speed, as I do with your podcast, but the energy that the Grinch gives is like the same energy that Carly Wise L gives except
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like on the opposite side of the spectrum.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's all grumpy grump, but it gives us high energy, and you are joyful, happy, and you give that energy.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anyone else thinks this, but I was just listening to it on iPod.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the vibe of Carly, but it's a different, and on the other side of the spectrum, anyway.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was my thought.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Random one for you.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great day.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Happy holidays.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tyler, I, okay, I am so excited about this call because I have never heard of this podcast.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I did not know the Grinch had a podcast, and the fact that the Grinch might be the end to my yang in terms of audio recordings, we are going to listen to this together.
• 41:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: We are going to do this in tandem, and I'm going to look this up while I am on Mike, which I know is not like the best for audio, but we're going to do it anyway, it's fine, okay.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: The Grinch podcast also, how do you like, I'm so California brand now that even though I lived in Chicago for half my life and lived in New York for so long, I'm like you're driving in the snow don't you stay home California has really melted my mind okay Grinch podcast I feel like I'm finding out I have a long last sibling or something Grinch podcast, all right I'm looking it up I think this is it it is taste the Grinch holiday podcast, okay
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's see.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, Bob Odenkirk was on this.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: They think it will help improve my interpersonal skills to choose it up with the celebs.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: But guess what?
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not interested in celebs, and I refuse to talk to them.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I hear it.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I hear it.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why I have the same cadence as the freaking grandch, but I hear it.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I heard it and was like, oh, yeah, that is how I speak out loud.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's bananas.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow, I don't want the Grinch to take over Shrex Amber because they are green.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: They are powerful characters, and we hailed them in the holiday season.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: But wow, um, the Grinch is my podcast doppelganger, and I had no idea.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, thank you so much for this call.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Also like, oh my god, am I truly am I like, um, am I the Grinch's warrior?
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess the Grinch is my worry, go to be specific, but Tyler, you just opened my eyes to a whole world I didn't know about.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow!
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wow!
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, talk to you soon.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Stay warm, bye!
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I thank you all so much for listening and a very, very special thank you to Mike Mitchell, the director of the fourth trick film for coming on very amusing.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: What a blast.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I do plan to milk Mike's contacts so that we have future Shrek Simbers full of directors and artists who work on these beautiful, fantastic, phenomenal films.
• 43:51
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• 43:55
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• 43:57
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• 43:59
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• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: We have a ton.
• 44:01
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• 44:01
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• 44:05
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• 44:54
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• 44:57
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• 45:19
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• 45:20
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• 45:35
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• 45:39
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• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Happy Shrek Summer!
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: See you real soon!
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait episode honey, now scar is hollow at Warner Bros.
• 46:11
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• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if you know this, but I'm an original Gilmore Girl fan, the original OG fan, a fan from the beginning.
• 46:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I started watching it, and I think it was your 2000 when it started, and you were around 12 age.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I heard you saying that you are encouraging people that you know in Florida that it comes for this.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you mean me because I'm in Florida.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you mean me?
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will definitely come in for this if you mean me.
• 46:38
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• 46:46
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• 46:47
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• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I like Laura live, but I like her with Jesse.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I always like you with Jesse.
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, not sorry, but I would love to do this with you.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great episode.
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: What a sweet message from your collar.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just love that.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love you and I love Pearl and I hope to see you soon.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bye sweetie.