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E295: Lent and the Pain of Crucifixion w/Jonathan Roumie | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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What are you doing for Lent this year, Jonathan Rumi?
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Few things, what can I tell? You, I'm curious how Lent has
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changed for you since falling more deeply in love with Jesus
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and getting even more deep into your faith.
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Having people read The Brothers Karamazov, which is so cool.
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That's one of my favorite books. There it is.
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It's such a gorgeous reprinting. Yeah, they did a beautiful job.
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I just saw solo Mio. I was like this is what ROM coms
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are supposed to be. Many people, it's like, how am I
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gonna watch a movie with Jesus without a beard?
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Like, well, you're not watching a movie with Jesus, You're
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watching a movie with Neil the therapist.
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He said you have PTSD from the scourging and portraying the
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crucifixion of our Lord. Anytime you.
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Lent is in full swing and today I'm chatting with my friend
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Jonathan Rumi. We discuss his plans for Lent as
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well as Hallows new Prey 40 Challenge which incorporates one
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of my favorite books ever, The Brothers Karamazov.
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Jonathan and I also talk about his new film out called Solo Mio
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set in Italy, in which my Italian Mama gives her stamp of
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approval. Jonathan also shares some of the
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behind the scenes of the filming of Season 6 of The Chosen,
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including the crucifixion of our Lord and some of the mental and
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physical tolls that it took on his body.
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Welcome back to the Lila Rose show.
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Thank you so much to everybody who is supporting our mission
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over at Patreon. Jonathan Rumi, welcome back to
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the podcast. Thank you, Lila.
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It's great to see you again. You're very busy.
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We were just talking. You've got your ashes on.
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It's Ash Wednesday. What?
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What have you been up to today? I do.
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Oh, you know, not much, just a few and half a dozen TV shows
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and talking about Jesus and talking about Hal of his Pray 40
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challenge with Mark Wahlberg on the number of different networks
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and yeah, just trying to spread the gospel and the mission of
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Lent and these next 40 days. So it is the we're filming this
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on Ash Wednesday. It's coming out in a few days
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from now. People are going to be in the
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thick of their Lent. What are you, what are you doing
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for Lent this year? Jonathan Rumi.
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I'm doing a few things. What can I tell you?
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Let me see is. Some of it off the record.
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Some of it's personal, some of it's, you know, it's prayer is a
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very personal thing, right? Go into your room, shut your
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door and, you know, just doing the Father, right.
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So it's, it's I don't wanna be, I want to feel like I'm like,
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Hey, look at me, look at what I'm doing.
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But some of the stuff is a little less, you know, weighty.
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But I, I am trying, I am trying to get rid of sugar in my life
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just in general. So I thought, OK, let me, let me
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try to add that to the list. This, this lent in addition to
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things that other things that I might try to fast from or, or
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try to do because it's now I was just about I give up chocolate,
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even though I probably would do that as well.
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I think of it. I sometimes go right up to the
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to the fine, like, I don't know, it's today's Ash Wednesday.
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Should I do the chocolate thing? I'm doing this other thing.
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Should I say? I don't know, but I think I got
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that. That falls into the sugar
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category, of course. So yeah, there's no chocolate
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for me, except maybe on Feast. Days, yes.
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So you do take the Sundays off. Is that typically how you do it?
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That's how I do it. And sometimes people say it's
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not hardcore enough. Yeah, most of my life I did
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like, I didn't grow up knowing that that, that that was a
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reprieve. So we, when we practiced Lenten
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at we, we fasted the whole 40, what is it 546 days total for
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like some days included. And then I found out like maybe
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less than 10 years ago that they're like, no, it's, you
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know, a day of rest. I'm like, what?
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Nobody told me this. I never knew.
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I never knew that. So yeah, I think, I think it
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depends, it depends on how I'm feeling.
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I, I may try to go hardcore or I may just take a break because
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it's Sugar's a tough thing. Sugar and social media right now
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are the biggest, I think addictions that I have.
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And it's like, what do you do when you're, when it's part of
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your, your, your work? You know, it's like, I got to do
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this and I got to bend it. So I think I'm going to, I have
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to set up more specific boundaries for for just
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scrolling and then for like, you know, the timing in which I do
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all this stuff. Yeah.
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So, so last year I wrote the forward to a book for Sister
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Nancy Elsman about media fasting.
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And so I'm like, I think I need to read that book again and and
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follow her guidelines for media fasting because it's they were
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really great and super helpful. So.
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That is a tough one. Are you, so are you doing no
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social media or are you doing like only social media on?
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I mean, it's your job, right? It's part of your job to market
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solo Mio and hallow and everything else you're doing.
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So must be difficult to social media fast when that's your job.
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I know it is for me. I don't social media fast.
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But I also am saying I need to scroll less.
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I need to spend less time consuming.
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It's just tricky to do. Yeah, it is because it's, it's,
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I mean, it's literally a physiological addiction that's
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meant to, you know, engage your, your dopamine production.
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It's like it's, it's epidemic, especially for children.
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And so, but even as adults we're still susceptible.
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So I think, I think having a mindful attitude towards it and
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then and then tasking myself with like, OK, what do I really
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need to release on social media now?
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Like are there deadlines up with my partner commitments?
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What do I have to do? And whatever I don't have to do,
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I can fast from the rest of it. So when you before I when you
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last were on the show, you shared very beautifully about
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your conversion. So many people have been
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inspired by it. Obviously, what you've done with
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the chosen I I'm going to ask you about solo Mio 2 because
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it's another fun part of your personality and your work coming
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to, you know, into the shared with the public.
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But I'm curious how let has changed for you since falling
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more deeply in love with Jesus and getting even more deep into
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your faith? What what what what meaning does
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it has have for you? How has it changed you
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personally? How is it different for you now
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that you're so much more in fire with your for your faith than
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you've ever been? I think it just, it gives me a,
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a higher personal level of accountability, I think.
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I think with, with, I mean, one of the, I'm talking about social
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media, one of the benefits is that, you know, of, of like an
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app, like, let's say Hal, for instance, is that I can
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incorporate that into my, my practice now and, and like, and
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lent and, and do a challenge and, and, you know, have ways
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of, of using social media for my benefit and to discipline
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myself. And so being more disciplined
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has been a part of my journey and, and luckily I feel like I
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have more resources to be able to help me do that and to get
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through that. And, and so that that's, you
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know, it's not just and, and using Halo is almost like an
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accountability partner to one level makes me more, you know,
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accountable to to my one commitment to, to my deepening
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spirituality. So I think that discipline for
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me, it's always been a struggle in terms of making sure I do my
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prayer each day. I know obviously that's the
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beauty of the habit builder that hallow is.
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It's saying like it's queuing you and like, do this, you know,
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ritual every day of making sure you're connecting with God or
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having silence or doing a meditation or whatever it is
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When you have found yourself to be more disciplined and you
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actually show up to your prayer time because I'm going to guess
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maybe for you and all you can let us know the struggle is
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actually making it happen. I know that's my issue.
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How does it change your relationship with God?
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Like how does it change your how has it changed your life?
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How, how is Jonathan different when you're actually showing up
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to prayer instead of getting caught up in all the other
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distractions and busyness of life and your life being, you
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know, especially busy with your career and everything else?
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Well, I think if, especially if you're starting your days and
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ending your days with prayer, it sets the tone and you know,
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setting a different tone from what you've been accustomed to
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is, is life changing right there.
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You know, instead of just jumping up and scrolling through
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your phone, you know, and, and, or watching TV or watching that,
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that starting the news or something like that, or reading
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about the news. Like if I'm starting my day with
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God, it's sets a different tone and puts me in a place mentally
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where no matter what's happening, I'm much more
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equipped to handle the day's challenges and the day's
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triumphs. The day the day's joys as well
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becomes that much sweeter when done in in collaboration in
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fellowship with with the Lord at my side, which is why I feel
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when when I have when I start my days and when I hand my days the
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Lord, you know and prayer. So I think that just having that
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feeling and that serenity and that disposition, that heart
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posture for God will will just change how you do everything and
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how you frame everything that happens in a give a day.
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I think that feeling of God's closeness in that experience of
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walking with God, it's so sweet. I know in my life, there have
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been times I've really tangibly felt like the Lord is in this
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and you have this consolation of him being in it.
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But then there's times where you're up against, I mean, for
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me, I'm up against my own struggles, distractions,
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worries, concerns, whatever it is, tiredness, whatever it is.
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And so, but I know that I still need to like, give God the 1st
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time of the day, like you're saying like open the day with
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prayer instead of the phone or whatever it is.
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But then you don't feel the immediate sweetness as much.
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You don't necessarily feel that consolation.
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And I think that's a lot of people's experience.
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And especially Lent, you know, it's 40 days of sacrifice.
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You're supposed to, you know, give things up to remember our
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Lord and his passion. You're supposed to, you know, go
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to confession, make yourself more open to the Lord and also
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purified. And that process sometimes is
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uncomfortable. Do you relate to that at all?
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And how do you navigate that? Discomfort, I think, I think
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there can sometimes be this, this level of discomfort,
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especially or, or unease when, when you're just, when you allow
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yourself to be overburdened by whatever life's anxieties kind
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of weighing on you on any given day.
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When you have so much to do and you're like, you wake up with
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the, your, your mind just reeling, like you've got just
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thoughts or you go to bed with like a racing mind.
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You're like, how am I going to tackle all of these things that
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I have to do and all of these issues or concerns or you know,
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And so I think the trick is to spend enough time in prayer,
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whether you know, like if you're doing like literature, the hours
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and night prayers or, or, or even just the rosary.
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I think when you spend enough time in prayer, your mind is, is
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it's affected. It's your, your, your, your calm
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and your peace is affected by that.
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And I think I think it helps bear that, that discomfort.
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You know, at least that's how I try to approach it.
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If I, if I try to start the day and I'm not, I'm not kind of
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feeling it. I, you know, or I'm not feeling
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like, oh, I mean, it's not always.
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Here's the thing that I've really been latching onto, you
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know, even when the context of like the Mass, right, the, the
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presentation of, I don't mean the literal presentation, but
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like the, the, the, the experience of the Mass and the
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liturgy. It's less about how I feel than
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it is my worship and what I'm giving to the Lord when I'm at
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Mass. It's less important for me to
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be, you know, intellectually dazzled by a priest's homily or
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emotionally moved by the music than it is for me to just be on
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my knees in adoration and worship and giving gratitude to
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the Lord for all he's done in my life and all he continues to do
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in my life. And, and for the, the mercy that
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he has on me and which allows me to do what I do and, and not
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something else. And, and, and utilizing my gifts
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to, to serve him. And so I think, you know, having
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that same kind of disposition with your prayer time and
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praying until you can get to that position, that that place
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where you're like, OK, I'm just, I'm here to serve the Lord.
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I might not feel a certain way or a way that I'd hoped, or I
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might not even feel his presence like next to me.
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Right? And then you think about Saint
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Mother Teresa and having that spiritual desolation for 50 some
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odd years and you're like, how did that work?
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And I think it was just, well, she just served and, and, and
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she, she just, she just, she was active in how she pursued the
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Lord, you know, and like, it was about him and not her.
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And obviously it affected her because she wrote about it.
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And, you know, she was just like, yeah, it's fine.
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And, and, and you can be deeply grieved at times, but I think, I
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think to, to, to continue to actively pursue the Lord in your
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prayer time to the point where I think you, you, you feel like,
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OK, like I know, I know that there is the, the Lord is using
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this time with us, whether or not I feel it, but if that makes
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it, if that makes sense. I it makes a lot of sense.
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I love that reference to Mother Teresa because she is such an
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example of showing up and being faithful in prayer and love for
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others, even when the feelings don't come in that moment or
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That's cozyearth.com code Lila. This makes me think about what
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Hallow I Know is doing for part of its Lent campaign, which is
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having people read The Brothers Karamazov, which is so cool.
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That's one of my favorite books. I love that Alex Jones.
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I think he's, I'm guessing I actually haven't talked to him
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about this, but this was his idea.
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Although you can take credit if it was yours, but whoever's idea
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it was really good. Idea was not my idea at all.
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Yeah, no, this is Alex, I think is like the brainchild for a lot
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of the the challenges and stuff and and but they they, they as
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as far as I know that the team discusses it and if he's moved
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by something, chances are we're going to we will be moved by and
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we will do it as a challenge. And I mean, it's as usual, he is
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his instincts and how the Lord leads him.
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It's just spot on. So if this was yeah, it was an
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intense was an intense challenge to go through.
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But there's it's there's it's so beautiful.
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It's sister Miriam and you know, even Mark and Chris doing the
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fastest portion of this challenge on Fridays and and
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Jeff cabins interviewing, you know, Gwen Stefani and and
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others. Yeah, there's, there's a lot.
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There's a lot going on and there's so much, there's is
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there's so much to draw from for these for these some everyday
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for this challenge. It's I think people are going to
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get so much out of it. Well, I love the brothers K use.
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I mean, actually, Hollow has the physical book that they're
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reprinting as part of the challenge.
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And back to the whole thing about experiencing, you have it
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somewhere. I have it somewhere too, having
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spiritual desolation. I mean that that's part of the
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story of the brothers, Kay. It's like, where is God in the
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midst of tremendous suffering? So tell me what you're doing.
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I think you're doing some reading from it, right?
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There it is. It's such a gorgeous reprinting
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too, with the Prodigal Son on there.
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Yeah, they did a beautiful job. Are you reading portions of
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Brothers K for the Challenger? How are how are they
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incorporating it? Yes, yeah, So, so, yeah,
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sections of the story. I read some Yeah, I, I read
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portions of the the novel throughout the challenge three
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days a week. You're doing the the challenge
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with me. And then Sister Miriam will do
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these beautiful moving reflections on those those
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portions. And, and then the parallels
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between this story and the parable of the prodigal son are
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arcs sort of contextualized within each other.
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And it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's like it's a perfect, it's
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the perfect combination going into this, these, these next
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4045 days. And so, yeah, so for, for we
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beat and we go through the major themes and the major pop arcs
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and it's like there's murder and intrigue and and love triangles
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and all this crazy stuff. But that, you know, and in the
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end, it's it's about, it's about a return.
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It's about these sons kind of returning home spiritually,
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metaphorically, literally in some cases.
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And it's yeah, it's, it's absolutely beautiful.
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And I mean, Dostoevsky is just, I mean, he's one of the greatest
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that ever lived so. Had you already been a fan of
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The Brothers Karamazov before the challenge, or has this made
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you a fan now that you have to actually read it for everybody
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and carry us along the story? Yeah, I'd never, I'd never read
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that book before. So this was a this was a great
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sort of introduction with so much more context than I
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probably ever would have gotten had I just read it, you know, as
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a standalone novel. So.
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So if you haven't read it or even if you have read it
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already, I think you're going to it's going to be unlocked in a
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way for you that you probably have never heard before or even
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considered. Because if it's just so layered
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and so beautiful. So I think it's it's the perfect
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if it's, it's the perfect companion piece to to let this
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year. It is a book I think everybody
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should read. So if this is the this is the
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best way for some people, I think spiritual reading be
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really heavy and hard to get through, but this is one of the
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greatest novels of all time. So I love the idea of turning it
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into spiritual reading for Lent for people because I I feel like
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it will make it much more accessible for folks and also
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help them develop their understanding of the some of the
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greatest literature that's out there that also celebrates the
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faith. So yeah, big, big thumbs up for
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me. I love that Hallows doing that
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this year. And it's very fun that you're
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reading it and it's going to be it's going to be awesome.
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People might already be doing this by the time this episode
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comes out, but if you're not doing it yet, go get on Hallow
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and join the challenge because it's it's amazing.
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You're only, you'll only be a few days behind if you're only
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just hearing about it now. So yeah, it'll be, it'll be
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early, but you can catch up. So I just saw solo Mio and it
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was fun that that. I did see it and it was very
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fun. I was like, this is what ROM
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coms are supposed to be and it was so clean, but also not like,
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you know, buttoned up. It was like fun and obviously
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you did a great job. Kevin James was awesome.
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So I highly recommend people watch it.
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And this is something you can watch with the whole family.
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And it was how much more adorable can you get than Italy
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and Andrea Bocelli and you know, going around on Vespas and like,
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you know, the love story of Kevin James girl walking out on
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him. So it was, it was great.
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I will say we did get my, you know, I don't know who was my
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mother. I watched it with her.
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Who's Italian, by the way? She's 100% Italian, my mother.
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So she is, she knows what's up with Italy.
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But she said. She's like, hey, I'm going to
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see if this one is going to be good.
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Exactly. But she was like, OK, she loves
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you in the chosen. Of course, everyone loves you in
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the chosen. So she was like, she told me I'm
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a little nervous to watch Jonathan Rumi in solo Mio
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because he's Jesus, right? That's who he is to me.
22:22
But then she watched solo Mio and she said he killed it.
22:24
You, you did it. You're you're still Jesus to her
22:27
in the chosen. But you very, you know,
22:29
hilariously played, you know, the funny, fun therapist guy,
22:34
the hilarious therapist guy in Salomeo.
22:36
So you had great response. People are loving it.
22:39
I mean, it's, it's crushing it in the box office.
22:42
It was a $5,000,000 film. And I think you're up to 20
22:44
million now in the box office. Praise the Lord.
22:48
Yeah. It's, you know, I think when we
22:50
were making we making it, we, we knew there was something really
22:53
special about it. And it was made by this family
22:56
of Catholic brothers, the Canaan brothers.
22:58
They're these Catholic guys from Rhode Island.
23:00
There's like, I think 9 or 10 of them in their family.
23:03
Got a couple of sisters as well, and a brother-in-law.
23:05
And two of them wrote the film with Kevin James.
23:08
Two of them directed it. I think there are one of them.
23:11
A couple of more producers. 1 is in music supervising.
23:15
So they all get together. This was their first theatrical
23:18
release with Kevin. And they're just they're just
23:21
good guys and they want to make great movies.
23:23
And this movie was just meant to be like a really just a timeless
23:28
kind of a comfort film. And so you can like, I've seen
23:31
it several Times Now with various audiences and it just it
23:35
it hits every time. It just, yeah, you kind of get
23:37
the feels and places where you're supposed to get the
23:39
feels. And you're still kind of like,
23:41
you know, you gasp at the places where there are these little pot
23:44
twists. And, you know, I think everybody
23:46
wanted to make something that just was, was just so different
23:50
than what's out there today and, and something that was worth
23:53
going to the movies for and not just straight to streaming
23:56
because I mean, this could have done that.
23:58
But Kevin and, and, and all of us really were so passionate
24:01
about this story and, and having something that was so beautiful
24:05
set in in Rome and Tuscany that just deserve to be seen in the
24:09
theaters and experienced with a live audience.
24:12
Like, like, you know, the reason people go to the movies doesn't
24:15
have to be tent poles that there's nothing wrong with, you
24:18
know, you know, franchise movies just as long as they're good.
24:21
But you know, the far fewer companies and and film makers
24:25
are, are taking chances, telling these much smaller stories and
24:29
putting them in theaters because they're just afraid people won't
24:31
go. And it's like, well, if you make
24:33
good movies that the whole family could enjoy, it's movies
24:36
rated PG, you know, like the last time a ROM com is in the
24:41
theaters. Like this was maybe what Hitch
24:43
like like something that felt like this.
24:45
It's like 20 it. Made me think of.
24:47
Hitch and I was also Kevin. James yes, No, of course I'm
24:50
close. Kevin James Dub.
24:51
But it made me think of Hitch in terms of the the sweetness of it
24:55
and the originality of it. Yes, that's that's right.
24:58
Because it was just very, it was.
24:59
So it was this innocent charm that I mean, Kevin James is
25:02
really good at that. You're good at that too, in the
25:04
comedic setting. So I thought you pulled that off
25:08
really beautifully. Kevin James did that and it's a
25:10
sweet charm. But the other thing is the
25:12
originality piece you, you really had.
25:15
And again, watching with my Italian mother and I'm half
25:16
Italian, like we were like looking for this, right?
25:19
But you really landed the really authentic and like, you know,
25:25
Italian ladies like bickering and you know, like chastising,
25:29
like the main lead actor, the woman, the love interest for
25:33
Kevin James, like very stereotypical Italian woman, but
25:36
very authentically so. And just the way she
25:39
communicated. And you don't get to see I, I
25:41
just, I don't know, you don't see those depictions.
25:43
I don't know why this is. But like in most modern ROM
25:46
coms, again, not to just like hate on other projects, but you
25:50
see a lot of sex scenes, which of course there were none.
25:52
This was beautifully clean. You didn't need to have any of
25:54
them there. You see all this random sex
25:56
stuff and then you see this like fearfulness of almost like going
26:01
to the earthiness of culture and ethnicities.
26:05
And you guys did that in the Italian context really
26:08
beautifully. And it just, it felt so real.
26:11
It felt like I was watching something that was yes, it was
26:13
modern, but it was again like a clean ROM com that could have
26:15
been made back in the 90s kind of thing.
26:18
So it kind of hit those notes for me and I, you don't see that
26:22
anymore, unfortunately, in the ROM com space.
26:24
Yeah, yeah. And I think, I think that's the
26:28
biggest thing that we've been trying to communicate to people
26:30
because, you know, everybody's tired of going and paying 20
26:34
bucks to see a bad film. And so they stay home and they,
26:36
you know, they want streaming, whatever.
26:38
And so really trying to get the message out that this is a film
26:42
that you you will enjoy in the theaters and you can.
26:45
And for so many reasons, like so many people just felt really
26:48
good at the end of it. And they're like, yeah, you
26:50
know, it's like, oh, it's a it's an actual feel good movie.
26:53
And, and, and our lead, Nicole Grimaldo, she was the the
26:57
Italian love interest. She and she, she never done
27:00
anything in English before. That was her first.
27:03
She learned English for this movie and she was so nervous.
27:06
But she is such, she is such a star.
27:09
She has so much charisma. And, and, but she found this
27:13
rhythm, if of kind of this broken Italian into English that
27:16
just worked perfectly for the story.
27:19
And it really, really just she pops off the screen.
27:22
And so people people have been falling in love with with her as
27:26
well. And just Kevin kind of taking
27:28
more of a dramatic turn, even though it's a comedy.
27:30
It's like he's he's super grounded and he's just earnest
27:34
and sincere. And and that was some a real
27:37
big, you know, and an intentional character point for
27:41
him. Like he didn't want to do, you
27:43
know, Paul Bart falling down a flight of, you know, the Spanish
27:47
steps in in Rome. It was just.
27:48
That would have been funny this. Guy just just broken hearted.
27:52
I think that's another one we call Blapstick version is, is
27:55
something yeah, but he's, I mean, he's done that most of his
27:59
career and and he can do that fine.
28:02
And there's elements of that in this like that you you, you
28:05
know, his physicality. And so he could he just, he just
28:08
does an arm shake or something and you're, and you're on the
28:11
floor laughing. But, but this was something that
28:14
was a bit different for him and, and people have really enjoyed
28:18
just seeing that side of him. And then also, you know, seeing
28:21
that the opposite for me, getting to, to be a little more
28:24
slapstick, but you know, still hopefully grounded and and clean
28:27
shaven, which is was a lot of concern for many people.
28:30
It's like, how am I going to watch a movie with Jesus without
28:33
a beard? Like what?
28:34
You're not watching the movie with Jesus.
28:35
You're watching the movie with Neil, the therapist.
28:38
That's, that's what this guy is in this movie.
28:41
And, and people, I think taking the, the, the chance on, on
28:45
allowing themselves to see me as something other than Jesus, say
28:48
it's important. Obviously, as an actor who wants
28:52
to have a, you know, a long career that people buy me in
28:56
other roles. They, they can, you know, if I'm
28:59
doing my job well, I, I, I should hopefully be able to kind
29:02
of transition to make people believe that I'm not just Jesus
29:06
or that they can see other characters.
29:08
And so, you know, with a film like this, it was the great
29:11
opportunity for me, me to, to transition very gently with,
29:15
with the audience to say, OK, let's start looking at me in
29:19
like a different kind of a frame and, and different accent.
29:22
And so I get to bring out a little more of my, my New York
29:26
accent in this film. And, and I think it's been, it's
29:29
been really well received. So praise God for.
29:31
That I think it was a gentle transition to have you be a
29:34
therapist because I mean, you were still really sweet and
29:39
nice. They're absolutely perilous.
29:42
And so you weren't like when you open your mouth, you didn't get
29:44
the Sermon on the Mount, but then you got these like, let's
29:47
all talk about this guys or, you know, whatever, like that's
29:50
toxic. I mean, it was obviously your
29:52
your quips are very funny in the film, but it was it was actually
29:55
perfect because you're going to show up in a ROM com.
29:58
I think people would have been like overwhelmed if you were
30:01
like the main lead as a suave, kind of like romance character.
30:05
You know, I don't know what the actor that would be like the
30:08
stereolithic, the Brad Pitt, if you showed up like that, people
30:10
like, but wait, he's Jesus. How could he do this to me?
30:12
But you show up in this next film, you're transitioning to
30:15
show people versatility, of course, that you can do and baby
30:18
steps and you're the the funny therapist.
30:20
So it worked. It totally worked that that was
30:23
well done. And I you know, I think people
30:25
will absolutely be excited for solo Mio too.
30:29
I mean, it would be very fun to have Kevin James and that girl
30:32
married and then they have kids in Italy and then you all get
30:35
back together for the reunion. I'm sure you guys guys were
30:37
talking about it, but you know, have little kids running around.
30:40
We were Kevin was, yeah, Kevin was talking about a sequel while
30:45
we were still shooting the first one.
30:47
We're like, we just do let's let's see how see if we can even
30:50
get this into the movies. Like most people don't don't
30:53
realize the the like the Olympic level achievement that it takes
30:57
to get a movie into theaters. Like it is no small feat.
31:01
Like when we were making this, we didn't have a distributor.
31:04
Angel Studios is distributing this, this film, it was
31:08
independently made that they were like financiers that come
31:11
in and be like a OK, we'll, we'll, we'll put some money
31:13
down. We think this is going to be
31:14
good. Kevin was well established.
31:16
We got, you know, John got Kim Coates, he got Allison Hannigan.
31:19
So they're there. There's a number of reasons why
31:23
the movie will get made. But then once it's made, there's
31:25
no guarantees that it'll get into theaters versus streaming.
31:28
And then if it, when it does come out, if it'll actually be
31:31
good or do good. And so you're, you're, you're
31:34
trusting the teams that you're with when you when you say yes
31:37
to the job, that like, I think this this has potential to, to
31:41
really hit in a way. And for, you know, it's on
31:44
different levels for everybody involved, myself included.
31:47
So, yeah, I think, I think, you know, I won't give anything
31:54
away, but you, you start seeing hints, you know, as you towards
31:58
the end of the film that like, oh, I could see where if there
32:01
was another one, I could kind of imagine some of the, the
32:04
scenarios that could happen here.
32:06
So who knows? You know what, who knows what
32:09
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creating the film to suddenly have a trip Jelly show up in a
33:58
ROM com? It was awesome.
34:00
But how did that, how did that happen?
34:02
You did you literally call him? You're like, hey, Kevin.
34:05
Was connected. He's in Italy, right?
34:06
That's actually his home. So you're like, hey, we're
34:09
filming outside your house, can we come in?
34:11
Yeah, I, he's, that might have been his son's house.
34:15
So we were I, I don't know, I think, I think Veronica, his
34:19
wife was somehow connected to. I don't know if it was Kevin.
34:25
Obviously, by the time I, I come into the picture for the film,
34:28
all that stuff's already worked out.
34:30
And, and so then we got to to film at the house for a day and
34:35
it was, they were just wonderful hosts.
34:37
And, and we got to see Andrea literally do tricks on a horse,
34:44
which is just an amazing sight to behold.
34:46
And, and he's a he's a master of horsemen.
34:49
And yeah, it was, it was just, I mean, it was like, Oh my gosh,
34:54
this is like, I need to pinch myself because it's just, that's
34:57
not just seems it's, it's absolutely surreal.
35:00
You just you're, you're in that situation.
35:03
You're like, how did I get here? Like God is so good.
35:06
Look, I had just, I could not have seen this coming.
35:09
So. I think the other thing I'm
35:10
really excited about, and I love that you're creating projects
35:14
like this, Jonathan is, yes, of course, these incredible faith
35:17
projects like The Chosen, which have made the gospels come to
35:20
life for people. And then in those more like
35:23
family friendly ROM com space, I do think it's been a space
35:27
that's been dead in the water in some ways, I would say even for
35:30
decades. I just feel like it gets worse
35:32
and worse because the a lot of the ROM coms that are coming out
35:36
are very sexually explicit. They're like pulling out these
35:40
crazy, you know, themes where a lot of the relationships are
35:45
very broken, but they're not like redeemed necessarily in the
35:48
end. So you're not like seeing your
35:50
ultimate happy ending or shooting like the deterioration,
35:53
quite frankly, of romance. And it's just, it's kind of sad.
35:56
And then they're very cookie cutter.
35:58
And again, I'd. So you just don't really see
36:00
good ROM coms anymore. Are you planning to do more of
36:03
these in the future? Is this Elaine that you feel
36:06
passionate about? I would, I would love to, I
36:09
mean, you know, yeah, like to, to, you know, to continue your
36:14
point, like a lot of a lot of those films out like coarse
36:16
language and and so knowing Kevin, I met Kevin actually when
36:22
actually was exactly this time three years ago.
36:24
I met Kevin at the beginning of a, a, a couple of day, like a
36:30
three day, four day Lenten retreat that we did in an Abbey.
36:34
And, and so my, I had just, I had another film coming out
36:39
around the same time called Jesus Revolution, where I was
36:41
playing this, this hippie preacher.
36:44
And, and so we, we met at this retreat and we just stayed in
36:48
touch and, and I kind of got to know his sensibility and he
36:51
works clean, you know, as a, as a comedian.
36:54
And so when he's like AI think I got a movie for us and I'm like,
36:57
whatever it is, man, I'm, I'm in, I just, I trust him.
37:00
He knows my heart, he knows my work.
37:02
He knows like my desire as a, as a sort of a media missionary and
37:09
in, in the form of an actor that I, I want to tell stories that
37:13
that do have redemption, though those stories are interesting
37:16
for me. Those stories inspire me and
37:19
they inspire other people as well.
37:20
And I think those, you know, when there's a really like a
37:24
positive story or a can, you can play a really broken person and
37:29
you can play a person with addiction.
37:31
You can play a person who has broken relationships, But then
37:35
where does that story go? For instance, I'm developing
37:38
that ATV series currently even for over the next year or two of
37:43
playing a guy who is it's it's kind of set in modern or near
37:47
future. So we're playing a, a retired
37:52
like Delta Force Ranger and, and he's a guy that when we see him
37:58
in the beginning of, of the story, he's a broken man.
38:01
He sees he's come back from years of, of fighting and
38:06
working as a soldier and, and the toll that that takes on him
38:09
personally and, and his relationships with his wife and
38:12
his kid. And, and there's, there's a lot
38:15
of brokenness there. But that the, the arc of this
38:17
story over a couple of seasons of this show, of the series is
38:22
about how does he find his way back to redemption?
38:25
How does he find his way back to the light when he starts in
38:27
darkness? And so those are the kind of
38:30
stories that really excite me and, and, you know, referencing
38:35
like what you said earlier about people seeing me as Jesus, It's
38:39
like that. That could be concerning for
38:42
some people because they're not used to seeing me in that, in
38:45
that vein and in that light. But I, I think the chosen was
38:49
one phase of my ministry as a performer.
38:52
And that has set me up and clarified in my own mind the
38:56
kinds of work I want to be doing as a performer, because I see
39:00
what it means to have impact as an artist.
39:03
And when lives are changed, literally somebody's like, I
39:06
don't, I've never walked into a church in my life.
39:09
And then somebody sent me the show and it got me interested in
39:12
the Bible. And now I want to become a
39:14
Catholic or now I want to be Christian.
39:16
I just got baptized. It's like that.
39:19
I mean that's somebody's that their their spiritual future,
39:24
their their their eternal, you know, life is is determined by
39:29
their acceptance of Christ as their Lord and Savior.
39:32
That can happen through culture and media.
39:36
Why would I ever want to waste time that with anything that
39:39
that doesn't somehow help inform that?
39:42
And there's nothing wrong with entertainment.
39:44
Like, look, I mean, I love Star Wars, you know, I grew up with
39:47
Star Wars. Like is there some parallels
39:51
between, you know, playing Jesus and playing a Jedi?
39:53
I mean, there, there are similar power, similar parallels.
39:56
Could I apply my own sense of spirituality in a story in that
40:00
way? I would find a way to do that,
40:02
just like even in Sola Mia, it's not a faith-based story, but I I
40:06
found a way to to impose and and include my own personal faith.
40:14
My character, if not, you know, poetically or through or through
40:21
dialogue, like even pictorially, visually, like he wears A
40:25
crucifix. That was a choice.
40:26
Like Kevin's like do whatever you want.
40:28
Like you make this guy yours. I'm like, OK, well, we never see
40:32
characters wearing crucifixes in the movies unless they're a
40:36
priest or pastor or, you know, somebody like that.
40:40
So but but people wear crucifixes all the time.
40:43
Like, you know, it's just part of who they are.
40:45
It's part of their identity. Well, this is going to be my
40:47
identity. And we don't say a word about
40:49
it. It's just there is you're like,
40:51
oh, well, that's interesting, you know, and it's just subtle.
40:54
It's not you pointed out. But I think that's there's
40:57
always a way for me to, no matter what the story is in the
40:59
character, to bring part of that, to bring that message, to
41:03
bring that representation to the screen, I think.
41:05
I love that. Yeah.
41:07
And the fact that Solemn you opens with that scene or one of
41:10
the opening scenes is this wedding in a Catholic Church
41:13
with a Catholic priest. And then there's conversations
41:16
later in the film about couples that divorce.
41:18
Norbertine. Norbertine.
41:19
Oh, yeah. That's.
41:20
Was he a Norbertine? I didn't even catch that.
41:22
That's so. That's so awesome.
41:24
Was it an actual Norbertine priest that you got?
41:27
Yeah, you got a real guy. It's a friendly Kevin's.
41:30
Love that, love it. And you have.
41:32
And there's a theme later about. From Saint Michael.
41:34
'S Oh my gosh, that's Wait, you flew him out to Italy?
41:37
Yeah. Kevin did.
41:40
I'm sure Kevin did, yeah. That is so fun.
41:44
I wonder if I know him. I probably.
41:46
That is so funny. You probably.
41:47
You take a look. I'm gonna take a closer look.
41:49
OK, That is you're. Gonna have to go see it again.
41:52
Obviously, obviously, which I will happily do, but there is a
41:55
theme later where there's discussions of that couple that
41:58
gets divorced and gets remarried.
42:01
It was a very pro marriage film. You know, you're right.
42:03
It wasn't overtly religious. It wasn't anybody banging
42:06
anyone's head with the Bible, but you have this beautiful
42:10
celebration of ultimately marriage and you have that you
42:13
it ends with a wedding. A lot of ROM coms, they don't
42:16
end with a wedding anymore. They end with these sort of
42:19
suggestive scenes. You're not sure where things are
42:20
going to go in the end. And I, I love it.
42:23
I mean, you, it landed all those, it landed all those
42:25
planes. The other thing is I don't think
42:27
there was a sink. Was there not any kiss?
42:29
Like there were Italian kisses, like let's kiss the cheeks.
42:32
There was no. There was no.
42:33
I don't even know if there was a lip kiss in the movie.
42:36
I don't know if you tracked that, but I didn't see one.
42:39
I think I had. You had I.
42:40
Had I think I had the one of them one at least there was at
42:44
least one and there might have been one with.
42:50
I didn't see Kevin kiss. That girl said there wasn't one.
42:54
Well, you're not married, so. It's OK, Jonathan.
42:55
I was trying to think of his his fiance.
42:58
It might have been his fiance in one of the the video, the home
43:02
movie flashbacks. But I can't.
43:04
You may be right. The flashbacks.
43:06
Yeah. But but I, you know, I, I, I
43:10
there's 1 Peck. You had a Peck.
43:12
With my wife SO. You had to do that to break the
43:15
ice. So it was, so it's so innocent.
43:18
It's a wrong COM. There's got to be some wrong.
43:20
There was a little bit of wrong. No, it was very wrong.
43:22
It was very wrong. It's just very clean.
43:24
I only, I was paying. I was just, I pay attention to
43:26
those things just editorially. I was curious where you guys
43:29
would go with that. And so I was like, wow, they
43:30
established. This I thought you about to say
43:32
I'm paying to see that. Wrong.
43:33
I'm not. Kissing.
43:34
I got no kissing. I want my money back.
43:38
No, I'm like, I'm one of the biggest critics of sex scenes in
43:41
movies. Not that kissing is that because
43:42
it's not, but so, but I'm always curious how in a cleaner film
43:46
they play it anyways. He did.
43:48
Kevin was they were. There was definitely chemistry
43:50
without make out sessions and you had a Peck on the you had
43:54
you had a Peck. You did a Peck on the lips, but
43:56
there was no make out session with you and your wife either.
44:00
Your your screen, Yeah. And then, and I think it was, it
44:04
was appropriate for our characters as well.
44:05
So it, it, it all made sense. Yeah, it worked.
44:08
Well, and in Italy again, they do show a lot of physical
44:11
expressions of love and cheek. Lot of lot of cheek kissing in
44:15
Italy. Which is great.
44:17
So the chosen that you're going to be filming soon.
44:20
Tell us about that before you go.
44:22
This is going to be some you've already filmed some of the most
44:25
intense scenes. What are you going to be working
44:28
on next? What should people be looking
44:30
for? Well, I, I don't know, I can't
44:35
tell you too much about season 7 because I don't know anything.
44:38
I haven't gotten scripts yet. So it's it's coming up.
44:41
I know it covers the resurrection.
44:43
I know it covers the ascension. I think all of this has been
44:46
discussed. It probably it may go into Book
44:49
of Acts and that and that's as much as I know.
44:52
OK. Yeah, so, so yeah.
44:56
I, I, I, I, I don't even know how much I'll be in it.
45:01
I think I'll be in it for most of it.
45:04
But I think once, once he's up, up and away, it's.
45:07
Like, you know. Then then they're on their own.
45:10
Then they're on their own, except.
45:11
Holy Spirit, you know, and Eucharist.
45:13
Descent of the Holy Spirit and Eucharist.
45:16
Yeah, so then you'll be off filming the Rangers.
45:18
Theory. Yeah, Yeah.
45:22
I think, yeah, that's going to be that's going to minister to
45:25
people in a whole other. Way are you are you playing the
45:27
Ranger? That's.
45:28
Really good tackle I am, yeah. So I'm eating a lot now and
45:32
training pretty heavy to, to just put on size over this next
45:36
year, year and a half. So yeah.
45:39
And I, I'm up about £20 from where I was last year filming
45:44
the crucifixion. But I got down to a pretty lean,
45:48
like one 53155 and I'm 6 feet tall.
45:51
So it gives you an idea to like, and I was pretty, pretty lean.
45:55
And it's for what we did with Season 6, It's, it's going to be
46:00
pretty shocking for a lot of people.
46:02
And just just to experience, you know, after five seasons of
46:06
seeing Jesus, as, you know, bloody Jesus is your friend.
46:10
And, and like, you know, your healer, your teacher, your
46:12
rabbi, your, you know, minister once, once he's in custody and
46:19
it starts to the talent changes. And it's going to be, it's going
46:25
to be pretty tough for a lot of people, for all of us who filmed
46:28
that. It was the hardest thing that
46:29
we've ever done, especially for myself.
46:32
And that it's still, it still affects me now.
46:35
And, you know, I'm doing my own sort of sort of, you know, PTSD
46:41
from from the experience of, of re enacting, discouraging the
46:45
crucifixion. And but it was, you know, it was
46:49
all, all in service to the Lord and, and that they may use it
46:54
for, for his benefit and his glory and not any of ours.
46:59
So I think, yeah, I think it's going to do a lot of good for
47:04
many people just to kind of it'll hit home in a different
47:08
way than than anything else that's been, you know, portrayed
47:12
of of Christ's story because of the amount of time we've had to,
47:16
to explore. You know, we spent so much time,
47:19
40 hours so far by the end of season 5, it's 40 hours of
47:23
storytelling of Jesus's ministry.
47:25
And then the final 16 hours was, you know, of his crucifixion and
47:33
then his resurrection. So it's, it's, yeah.
47:38
I'm really curious to see how it's going to how it's going to
47:40
be received. Was it physically painful,
47:43
Jonathan, to film? You said you have PTSD from the
47:46
scourging and portraying the crucifixion of our Lord.
47:49
Why? Why is that?
47:50
And and was it painful to physically do?
47:55
Anytime you put yourself in a set of circumstances where
48:03
mentally you know, psychologically and emotionally
48:07
you are trying to convince yourself that something is true.
48:11
Your brain, your brain doesn't know the difference.
48:14
If if you're telling your brain like something is hurts and
48:19
you're summoning this emotional life, which is essentially is,
48:26
is that of suffering, your brain just interprets it all as as
48:34
like this is this is wrong. Like we have to like it's fight
48:39
or flight and, and your body starts reacting accordingly.
48:43
And then, you know, there were, there were elements where it, it
48:47
was physically painful at times, but I, I, I'm, you know, I
48:54
didn't get struck by lightning and I didn't have to have heart
48:57
surgery or anything like I think Jim Caviezel did.
48:59
But I dealt with stuffing my own sort of things, you know, and,
49:05
and like, for instance, on the first day of filming, one of the
49:10
first couple of days of filming for me, I, I was, I had to run
49:18
in the scene and we were shooting in these sand dunes and
49:24
my sandal kind of caught the lip of this dune.
49:28
And I kind of went straight down headlong.
49:30
And I was running pretty hard. And I tried to roll into it to
49:34
try to break the fall a little bit.
49:37
And I kind of leapt up and I was like, you know, And it was like,
49:40
yeah, you know, like, well, it's funny, you know, I thought, I, I
49:43
thought I avoided injury, but I felt this immediate tightness,
49:47
this band of pain across my shoulder into my chest.
49:51
And I thought, oh, something is definitely wrong.
49:55
And I ended up getting it checked out and MRI is an
49:59
ordeal. And then I had slightly
50:02
dislocated my AC joint there where it connects and, and so
50:11
they're like, this is going to be painful for a few months.
50:16
I said a few months. I said, yeah.
50:18
I said, oh, and it it just so happens that would be the side I
50:22
carried the cross on the where the shoulder would carry the
50:25
beam on. And, and before I started this,
50:29
that season last year, I had asked the Lord that if there was
50:32
any, there was any way that I could, you know, maybe
50:38
experience a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of your
50:43
suffering. You know, I would do that as an
50:47
offering. And in day one he said, OK,
50:52
there you go. And I was like, oh, oh, I did
50:55
say that. I kind of, I kind of asked for
50:57
it. And there, there are other
50:58
things like even with like the scourgings, you know, even
51:02
though they, they were using props made of like foam and this
51:06
other stuff, like when these guys, we had some pretty robust
51:11
soldiers, there are certain shots where they had to see it
51:14
make contact. Otherwise it just looks fake.
51:17
And so it's like, yeah, let's just do do whatever we need to
51:19
do to make him look real. And, and even with a prop like
51:25
you're, you know, for 10 hours, it's it, it, it, you feel it,
51:29
you, you end up with marks at the end of the day.
51:33
But then all of that became an opportunity to just offer it up
51:37
as, as, as a sacrifice and, and for souls and purgatory and, and
51:42
for, you know, my own sort of remission.
51:46
And, and, and, you know, I, with the way I realized I was dealing
51:51
with it after the fact is like months later, you know, I'd be
51:56
in mass and I, I would, I would get a glimpse of the crucifix.
52:02
And when it came to like the elevation going into the, you
52:07
know, the comedian prayers and stuff, I would just start
52:10
weeping. And I was like, what is going
52:12
on? And I, I realized like, oh, oh,
52:16
this is still relating to what I just went through over the last
52:22
few months. And that, that my reactions to
52:26
that I, I, I recognizing are tied to other trauma that I
52:31
dealt with, like when I was a kid and stuff.
52:33
And so, but the Lord is using it, you know, the Lord knew
52:38
exactly what I was going to need for this series and for this
52:42
point and in my life, in this stage of my career and playing
52:46
this character effectively and in a way that maybe people
52:50
haven't experienced it before. And, and so everything that's
52:54
happened in my life is kind of led me to be prepared for for
52:58
this and in some way and, and shape.
53:00
And, and I believe that. And, and I think he has used it
53:04
as a result, you know, because it's based on the handful of
53:07
messages that I go through from time to time.
53:10
It's profound. It's profound how he's using the
53:15
show and Halo and, and that these things that I'm involved
53:19
with to, to bring people back to him.
53:23
Yeah, it's absolutely profound. I mean, atheist conversions,
53:27
Church of Satan conversions, people haven't gone to
53:31
confession in 15 years, 30 years.
53:34
Like, I mean, I take screenshots of these just to like compile
53:39
like all of these moments of that that the Lord has has
53:43
entered into these people's lives and just to give thanks.
53:46
It's like how this is my, I couldn't have imagined this
53:50
would be what I would be doing as an actor.
53:53
Like it's just there's no, there's no context or
53:56
expectation. And this was ever going to be
53:59
something that I would be a part of.
54:00
So I just I'm just. It's beautiful fruitfulness and
54:06
it goes back to that, that story you shared, I know you shared
54:10
before and you shared on the show when you first came on
54:13
about just that total act of surrender to God, of just giving
54:17
him everything, your career, yourself, your dreams, your
54:20
struggles, everything, that complete surrender.
54:23
And it's just beautiful to watch what God is doing literally
54:27
through you on screen, of course, and then also to see the
54:29
impact of that Yes to that radical, yes to God.
54:34
Yeah, yeah. It's it's, it's humbling to say
54:38
the least. So thank you so much, Jonathan.
54:41
We're I hope everyone joins the rest of the Lenten challenge
54:45
over at Hollow. When you need a day off, go see
54:48
Solo Mio on Sundays when you're taking your break from Lent.
54:53
Yeah, thank you so much for forgetting to to talk about some
54:56
new stuff and share with with your audience all.
54:58
I really appreciate it and appreciate.
54:59
You super fun. We can't wait to have you back
55:01
on and thanks so much, Jonathan. Good luck with all the travels
55:03
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55:05
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