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Emmanuel Navarrete conspiracies, ProBox good, Don King bad? · Boxing B-Sides

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Joined by the one and only Alex. Do you remember
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why I keep saying that? Why do you say that?
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Oh, because the first time you were ever on,
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you said the one and only. That's how you introduce
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yourself. I don't think we have any other Alex's
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in our network. He is the one and only Alex.
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Once you bring in another Alex, then he's no
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longer the one and only Alex. I'm only one. He's
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one of the only Alexes at that point. The OG.
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The OG Alex, exactly. It's like Jake from State
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Farm. And Josh, out on the East Coast. How are
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you living? Living good, watching Provox. Provox
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is good. Oh, it's a good name. Before we started,
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Alex, you had posed the question, or you wanted
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to pose the question of how does paying fighters
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too much have a negative impact on the sport?
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Yeah, I wanted to say, because I kind of forgot
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about saying last week, but I think paying fighters
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too much kind of takes the fire out of them.
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If you give them retirement money, they're just
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going to be, Giving you retirement fights, if
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that makes any sense. Yeah, that does make sense.
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So, Turkey overpaying fighters, which is ludicrous.
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I don't want to say, I don't want to be a UFC
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stan and say like, oh, they should pay their
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fighters $100 ,000 and $50 ,000 if they win.
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No, no, no, no, no. I don't like that at all.
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However, paying a fighter like Ryan, how much
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was Ryan getting paid? Like $30 million? I don't
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know if you guys know how much he got paid. He
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got paid a lot, right? Too much. Too much. We
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know he got paid too much. Yes, that's it. He
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just got paid way too much. And lost to Rowley.
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Like, 20. He got paid 20 dollars to lose to Rowley,
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who is a fucking, a PBC fighter. Again. Rowley
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won on a DAZN card when he was a PBC fighter.
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That's crazy. You know, something that happened
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when PBC first started and they had that huge
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angel funding. from the venture venture capitalist
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firm i think it's like william morris or something
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like that but they they would pay fighters a
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healthy amount like the type the kind of money
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that they're still getting paid today and i remember
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a lot of people bitching like uh they're overpaying
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fighters and they're do they're doing exactly
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what you were saying like you're giving them
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retirement money that they're going to give you
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retirement fights yeah and then Eddie Hearn and
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his DAZN fucking war chest comes in and starts
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doing it as well. Considerably more money than
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PBC ever did. But that time, everybody was like,
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oh, look, he's such a brilliant businessman.
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If you pay fighters what they're worth, they're
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going to give you their best. Where's the consistency
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here? I don't know. And then Turkey comes along
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and pays a fighter fucking oil money and bill
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off the fucking Texas Flames. Blood money. The
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difference is, like, with the guys like Farmer
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and Andrade, like, the factor, it's only like
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a factor of 10 at most. Like, instead of making
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$100 ,000 at the most, they're making a million,
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which is like... You're still way overpaying
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these guys, but they're not stars and it's not
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noticeable. But a guy like Ryan Garcia who's
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in the millions and you start giving him tens
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of millions and these guys already have ego issues.
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Eddie Hearn fucked it over. The reason why nobody
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says shit to Turkey is because they also want
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a payday too. So fuck all the other partners
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as well. You'll notice when Turkey starts paying
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us because we're going to kiss his ass. It'll
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be a sharp, sharp turn. Yeah. Like, listen, man,
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if you want to wire me a million bucks, Turkey,
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like, you can pay me enough. You can pay me,
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but I ain't going to suck your dick. I will.
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I'm the opposite. I will suck the money out of
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your ass if it's enough. I agree. I agree. I
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was going to say, we're not in a bargaining position
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here. We got it. Let's move into the recaps.
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Fucking Queensberry. I only watched one of these,
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and it was on May 10th. Anthony Caccacci stops
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Lee Wood. It was a corner stoppage. A towel came
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in. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. But it was... Kakach
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is on that... Kakach is on that tour beating
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up all the, like, DAZN Brits. Yeah. I'm gonna
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say this right now to the people listening. I'm
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not gonna be talking much because I missed...
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I missed a lot of the boxing this weekend, unfortunately.
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So, you guys are blessed to not hear a lot from
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me. Damn it. Yeah, I mean, he beat Cordina Warrington
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and now Wood, and it's like... All three of these
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guys were washed. But also, Kakashi's kind of
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washed because he is 36 at super featherweight.
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That's old. That's fucking old. I don't know.
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Who does he fight next? Because he could totally
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fight Navarrete or Oshaki Foster, but okay. Yeah.
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I don't see him doing... Why go through the other
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guys at super featherweight? You don't have...
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Oh, he has the IBO title. Fucking excuse me.
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I think he should just keep... These guys are
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still world -ranked, but keep beating the domestic
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guys. The title will come up for you, hopefully,
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before you retire, and you get your shot that
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way. Instead of, let me fight an actual dangerous,
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dangerous titleist. Like Oshaki Foster. Oshaki
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Foster is very dangerous, man. I agree. Yeah,
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that's dangerous, especially for an old... I
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think Nick Paul's ass. I think Espinoza has ass.
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I think Angelo's ass. Oshaki Foster is the prime
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126 fighter. It's Superfeather. Superfeather.
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Superfeather. It's 130. We're at 130. Oh, sorry,
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130, 130. I better take that back. 130, Oshagie
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Foster is the best. Also, I am definitely not
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being sponsored by Riyad to say this. Is Oshagie
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Foster a Riyad guy? I don't think so. I know
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Raymond. Ray Ford probably is. Yeah, Ray Ford
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is. They definitely won't be. I'm just picking
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up my ass right now. I don't know. Moving to
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Pro Box Good. Only one I watched was Erickson
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Lubin. Stops RGL Holmes in the 11th. Man, I was
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kind of high on RGL Holmes. I was thinking he
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was going to... I said he can make it grimy.
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And he did. But... That was still pretty hard
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to watch. Like, he didn't really seem too interested
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in engaging and more than clinching. Yeah. I
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mean, Lubin got it done, though. He did. That's,
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like, there's the Pro Box guarantee. Lubin wasn't
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going to settle for that win. You make it or
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you break it. Yeah. Especially Lubin totally
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needed that. The inactivity wasn't great for
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him. He's only 29, which is really surprising.
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It feels like he's been around forever. He kind
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of has been. He got sent to space in 2017 against
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Charlo. Got the fucking Christ beaten out of
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him in 22. Lubin really lubed up his career today.
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He's still around. I think, like, honestly, like,
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as much as I'll cry about Lubin robbing Ramos,
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Jesus Ramos, like, he's still in there. He's
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definitely not beating a top guy, but, like,
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you know, if Xander Zayas wants, like, that real
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floor raiser. He wants some serious smoke, not
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just the top right protection. Yeah, like. Like,
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Lubin's totally, like, a free, like, not free
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in regards of, like, a free win, but free in
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terms of, like, the schedule lines up, the money
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lines up, and, like, there's no promotional issues
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in the way. That fight's never going to happen.
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I can dream. I think it'd be good for Zayas.
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Or if Lubin just is him at the age of 29. Like...
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Sure. Why not? Why not? What else is he going
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to do other than beat up the poor Probox guys?
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Or get beaten up by a Probox guy who turns out
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to be fucking amazing. Who knows? He could also
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fight Charles Conwell. Actually, I wouldn't mind
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a rematch with Fandora. That fight was pretty
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fun. Do you want to see Lubin get his face rearranged
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again? I mean, he knocked Fundora down with a
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fucking great shot. Like, it's not like Fundora's
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invincible. True. Yeah, that's true. Like, I'm
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sure if Lubin gets hit even slightly less, it's
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still more of a fight. Because I'm like, I don't
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think Fundora's fixed many of his problems either.
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What else is next? This one. This one. I'm sure
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Sebastian Garcia is still around. It's too older,
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guys. Yeah. Ray Murataya, UD over Zaur Abdullayev.
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I'm on the Ray Murataya train. Yeah. Fantastic.
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Hey, Murataya's been good. He's Mexican. Yeah.
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He's been good. I don't think there's... Are
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there guys that lightweight for him to step up
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against? Not named Shakur. Or Tank. If they want
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to do a fight with... He's a top -ranked guy,
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though. Keyshawn Davis. Yeah, well... I think
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Keyshawn beats him, though. Yeah. If they want
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a lot of money, they can have Keyshawn versus...
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versus Raymond. And they can have Tank versus
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Shakur, and the winner of those two fights is
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Fight Pro Disputed. God. God. Shakur, Tank. But
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that will never happen. Yeah, no. Who knows,
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man? Turkey might make his action figures. No.
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Right again. But Tank's not doing that shit.
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Yeah. Yeah, very much. Very much for Murataya.
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He's kind of got to sit still and wait for things
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to sort themselves out. He's going to have to
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cross the street to get some of the better fights.
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Yep. Or move up. Yeah. Because it's kind of tied
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up. The names at the very top of the division
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are definitely a tough ask. Because it's Kishan,
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Tank, and Shakur. Lamont Roach is up there. Hey,
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you know what? If Roach, when, you know what?
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No, not if. When Roach loses the tank, then we
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can have a Murataya Roach and that'd be good.
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You think that Roach loses the tank again? What?
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You think that Roach loses the tank in the rematch?
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I think he does. I think tank adjusts. Roach
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also, I don't doubt that Roach hasn't been training
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exactly the most, considering he's still on his
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victory lap tour after drawing with Tank. That's
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why I think they haven't made the fight yet.
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It's because Tank's waiting it out. Tank's probably
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been training. Tank's definitely been training.
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If he's not in trouble, he's training. That's
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usually how it's been. Yeah, but like roach has
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been like drinking at NBA games and shit and
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just showing up to like like he's made a lot
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of public Appearances he's been partying in public
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a lot. So I Think we'll see we'll run Sure, we'll
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enter thing. Yeah No, no Well, I mean it's it's
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the tanks benefit to do the rematch sooner than
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later because you don't let roach get back into
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that training rhythm but that's a That's more
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politics than boxing, really. Yeah. Emmanuel
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Navarrete versus Charlie Suarez. First question.
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Was it a headbutt? Was it a punch? We saw the
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video. It was a punch. Yeah. Okay, good. It was
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a punch. No, but, like, you don't even need,
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like, the zoom in angle. Like, you could see
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it. Like, in front of the referee. A punch land
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and he starts bleeding. I remember this one day
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where Josh actually said that it's different
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being ringside and different being a judge. Yeah.
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I'm playing devil's advocate now. That's like
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Josh did with Ting. I'm sick of Navarrete though.
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He keeps getting these fucking bailouts every
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time. He should have been stopped with Liam Wilson.
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Like, conveniently, he got enough of a rest for
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a bailout. The draw with Konsei Sao was a pretty
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lucky bailout. Didn't get bailed out versus Berencik.
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No, he didn't. Berencik. I don't think he could
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have bailed him out there. And even then, some
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of the scores were a little tight. The split
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decision. Yeah. So, like, they tried. Like, he's
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been under the top -ranked protection program.
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His first title fight was against Isaac Dogme.
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I remember the broadcast. I remember the color
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commentary. The color commentary for that fight,
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they were talking about Dogme spars his dad and
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his brother and his cousin. That's how he trains.
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No, this guy's peak top -ranked protection program.
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Like, bro, there's no way. Like, Liam Wilson,
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like, the Liam Wilson one drove me nuts. Because,
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like, you literally gave him enough time to recover
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after Liam Wilson would just... beating the piss
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out of him. You beat the shit out of Valdez?
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No. I'll give him that. Actually, I will give
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him that one. I'm not gonna cape for Valdez either.
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But, like, there's been so many, like, sketchy
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calls and, like, funny matchmaking that's gone
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never its way that, like, come on, man. It happened
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again. See you, Kim, Mr. Kirk. Fuck. No, bro,
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I just... He's also a super feather. Maybe 130.
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Look at the 130 names. You know what? You know,
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Shecky Foster and Kakash. Ray Ford, if you really.
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I don't know if he moves up. Keep doing it. I'm
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just, I don't want to see never. I need never
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to just, like, not have a controversy. What about
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him making weight? Yeah, that too. Actually,
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the Liam Wilson fight also had some sketchy shit
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with the weight. Liam Wilson, if you look at
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Liam Wilson's weights, he always weighs in right
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at the limit, right? He weighed in at 126 for
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a fight at 130. Meanwhile, Navarette weighed
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in right under 130, just right at the limit.
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Lee Wilson has never weighed 126 pounds in his
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life. So that was the... There's my rant about
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never. There's my top -ranked protection program
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conspiracy. You think the Liam Wilson scale was
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fiddled? It was fiddled. It had to have been.
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Liam Wilson has never weighed 126 pounds in his
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life. And conveniently, he chooses to, like,
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conveniently, he shows up at 126 pounds, like,
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the same day that Navarrete, like, barely squeezes
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under the scales. He's also a fucking weight
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bully, too. I bet you, I'm hearing to you, he's,
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like, 160, dude. Yeah. Well, like, he's been
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looking fat lately, too, which is, like, how
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do you look fat? Like, how do you show up to
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fight? Like, you show up emaciated to the weigh
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-in, and then you show up kind of chubby the
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next day. Crazy. I don't know how the fuck you
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eat that. Like, I was gonna say, like, even guys
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like Rowley, like, I've seen Rowley show up at
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180 for a fight at 135, but, like, he's still
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got his six -pack, right? Like, he's not fat.
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He's just heavy. He's just heavy? Like, yeah,
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he's... Rowley's a mad weight bully, but also,
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like, I have no idea how bad Navarrete does it,
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where he has actual, like, love handles. Yeah,
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he did in this fight. I couldn't stop looking
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at him. It's so frustrating because you're like,
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this guy is kind of stinky. If he had different
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matchmaking, he probably still wouldn't have
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a world title. Why do you think he's being protected
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by top rank? Let's ask that question. He's a
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Mexican fighter in the lower weight classes.
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And top rank doesn't have many. Especially at
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the time he came around. Like, if you look, if
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you remember his fights, his fight with, uh,
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Isaac Dogway, like, basically, they had him and
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Valdez for lower weight class, like, Latin American
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fighters. That was really, yeah, you're right.
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Because, like, they didn't really... Because,
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like, yeah, like, you can technically say guys
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like Burchelt were around, but, like, Burchelt
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wasn't really a super top -ranked aligned one.
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Yeah. Like, you have Valdez and you have Navarrete
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when they built him. And even now, like, yeah,
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they have Moritaya and everything, but, like,
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Navarrete still sells tickets. Somewhat, yeah.
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So... People still tune in. Like, clearly there's
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a monetary incentive to keeping him in world
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title business. But also, like, I just, like,
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I just think he also just has really good luck
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that, like, there's been so many opportunities
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for him to just, like, he gets that nod. Because
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it can't all have been blatant corruption, right?
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There's some incompetence in there, too. You
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also might be favored by God. Yeah. He's got
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the heavenly mandate to hold on to the WBO forever.
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Gross. Gross. Charlie Suarez should have won
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that fight. Literally fucking punched him in
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the face. Whatever. They'll probably run it back
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and then Navarrete will win a weird decision.
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Unanimous. Yeah, weird unanimous decision while
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weighing in at, like, 220 on fight night. Charlie
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Suarez happens to magically weigh in at, like,
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120. Yeah. Like, I swear, like, you notice that,
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like, every time they, like, you can tell when
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the scale is rigged and when it isn't because
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whenever the scale, like... isn't rigged this
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is the most conspiracy theory i'll ever get in
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my life by the way and it's about emmanuel navarrete
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let's hear it but basically like you notice he
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like every time you get a news report of oh he
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almost passed out or he failed his first way
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and it's always like his opponent weighs in fine
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and when it's like whenever he doesn't struggle
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his opponent is like suspiciously liked or it's
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valdez he's another fucking weight bully Well,
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why would they have the opponent weigh less?
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Let me ask you that. Well, because it's the same
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scale. They dial the scale down so that Nav can
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make weight. Especially because they use digital
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scales nowadays. You put a bit of weight on the
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scale, you zero it, and then it doesn't register
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that. So you're calling Nav a fatty then? Have
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you seen him in the ring? He is a fatty! I'm
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trying to get a rise out of Josh. I just want
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to hear him get mad. No, he is a fatty, bro.
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I want to hear him get mad. I like angry Josh.
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Angry Josh is awesome. This is bleak. This is
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the only time I'll get actually mad, too. Like,
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what the fuck? I guarantee you they're going
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to have a Nav versus Keyshawn fight. Please,
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bro. I need Keyshawn to win that. They're going
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to do something like that, dude. They're going
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to cash Nav out soon, probably, because he's
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30, and you can't keep doing this shit, hopefully.
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You know, maybe I'll be surprised. I'll be 40,
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and he'll be like 50, and I'll be like, God damn
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it, does this guy still have the WBO title? He
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can't keep getting away with it. Then you'll
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come back and have a... Do you have a comeback
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run, too, with Top Rank? Fuck it, bro. I'll go
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on Ozempic and beat him myself if I'm 40 and
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this guy still has a title. Yeah, you probably
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would be him. If this guy still has a title when
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I'm 40, I'll come back, bro. Fuck. Oh, well,
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that's why I'm out of steam now. Let's go into
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the previews. No, there's Sunday. Sunday had
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some stuff. Yeah. I only picked up two of them.
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Hayato Tsutsumi stops Jaime Arboleda in this
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third. And Puma Martinez UD over Kazuto Ioka.
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No surprises there. Did you watch this one? No,
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I didn't. I haven't found a way to get on it.
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I parted this shit. And I mean, I bought this
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legally. They suck the money out of my ass. They
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suck the money out of my ass for this. Honestly?
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Closer than the... I think the 113 -114 card
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is the correct one. Really? Razor thin. Well,
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it's like... Again. I'm not going to say that
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Ioka was hard done because in close fights like
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that, it can go either way. Like a fight, like
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nice competitively fought. It really depends
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what you look for in a round and then you shade
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it. That decides who it gets shaded towards.
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But also consider that Ioka is not the most friendly
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with the Japanese commission. He's from Osaka.
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They don't like him. They don't like Osaka people.
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They don't like Yoko much. The commission. Yoko's
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had his beefs with the Japanese commission. So,
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not to say that he got hard done by, because
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no, Fernando Martinez totally won that fight.
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But also, it would make sense if the commission
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put judges that are more friendly to Martinez's
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style. Their styles are pretty similar, aren't
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they? Yeah. Clobbering types. Clobbering types,
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but I guess it's more of a... You know what I
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mean? Judges that would be more sympathetic towards
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Martinez. Yeah, I see what you mean. And how
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he operates. It probably was a good fight, though.
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It was a good fight. Better than the first one,
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actually. Oh, that first one had the 120 card.
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108 cards? How can you make it more clear that
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you just fucking hate the Yoka? That's what I
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mean, though. It's not like it's an alien concept
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for Yoka to get fucking jobbed in Japan because
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they don't like him. But that's just explaining
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the disparity in the cards. I'm sure they could
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easily bid 2 -0 a Yoka or 1 -1 a piece in a neutral
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location. Because these are razor -thin fights.
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But it is what it is. Ioka is old. Old as fuck,
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actually, for super flyweight. He's 36, I think.
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Yes. But he can still fight Estrada and stuff.
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There's still guys. Oh, Estrada's aged out as
28:17
well. Estrada's also old. Like, I'm not saying
28:20
Yoka should go fight Bam because, like, come
28:23
on, man. It's not happening. Don't do that. Not
28:27
happening. All right. But Bam versus Toro, though?
28:33
Hell, he can run it back with Kosei Tanaka, too.
28:36
That was a fun fight the first time. Kosei Tanaka,
28:39
I like him. He comes to rumble. Yeah. Like, there's
28:44
still options for Yoka. This doesn't have to
28:46
be the end just because he lost to, like, close
28:50
close decisions um is fighting the uh african
28:57
dude that beat jose tanaka listen man bam bam's
29:09
in a situation where like He's basically beaten
29:13
all the guys at his relative division, but he's
29:18
also pretty small, so he can only move up so
29:20
much. And then move up? Fight Nakatani? Yeah.
29:27
I rate Nakatani. I love Bam, but Nakatani is...
29:35
Be too big. A demon. He's a demon. I think Bam.
29:42
Honestly. Yeah. I think Bam would win the fight.
29:47
I think it'd be a fun fight. Fun as fuck. But
29:50
also... For sure, for sure. Nakatani is pretty
29:53
huge. And it's not just his size. Like, he definitely...
30:00
Are you insinuating that? I'm going to go over
30:08
here and make a boxing fucking circle. Do you
30:10
regret it? Oh, man. I'm just saying Nakatani
30:14
is not only a big boy for 118. He has definitely
30:19
bigger reach than Bam. It's just the count. If
30:23
he can sneak a counter in, it's so... Bam, Bam.
30:30
I'm not sure Bam can take it. I think he can
30:33
take it. Honestly, he can. A couple, though.
30:36
Only a couple. Yeah, I was about to say, it's
30:39
like... You gotta say that Bam also... Bam could
30:42
also counter a lot, too. Bam is great at countering.
30:46
So... I think it'd be a good fight, but... It
30:48
would be a great... I think it would be... It
30:51
could either go the way of Spence versus Sean
30:54
Porter. Actually, maybe it might just go the
30:58
way of Spence versus Sean Porter, honestly. I
31:00
don't know. Again, still, like, the Nakatani
31:05
moment that sticks out in my head, even as he
31:08
racks up even more knockouts and stoppages, is
31:11
still, like, him fucking, like, killing Andrew
31:14
Maloney. Oh, God, that was a scary -ass knockout.
31:19
Yeah, like, you just, like, he just rolled in
31:23
the entire fight. Wasn't competitive. Last round,
31:29
Maloney's going for it. As best as he can, he's
31:32
ragged, and Nakatani just calmly steps back and
31:35
puts him out the pasture. I swear, this guy couldn't
31:40
even breathe. Didn't even breathe for a couple
31:42
seconds after getting caught like that. I thought
31:46
he was seriously hurt. Yeah, no, like... It's
31:50
not just... Okay, yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was just
31:52
gonna say that Puma should probably look at whoever
31:54
the IBF champ is, because Bam is unifying. titles
32:01
i'm yeah kafu is fun but like you're not on bam's
32:06
level and we're gonna see oh yeah we're gonna
32:09
see like there's levels to this it's gonna be
32:11
one of those situations well i mean you never
32:14
know bam's special we've known bam was special
32:16
since uh he came in on short notice against quadris
32:20
and just obliterated him yeah like Not just like
32:26
Merc them in like, this is a young guy at the
32:30
age, at the division. It's like, holy shit, he's
32:34
sick. He's sick as fuck. Killed him. Killed the
32:40
queen right there. Same with, what's his name?
32:47
Rungusai. Yeah. I just pulled up the Nakatani
32:53
knockout and oh my god, bro, he's twitching on
32:56
the ground for a good couple seconds after that.
33:03
Bleeding out his mouth. Bleeding from his nose.
33:07
And his eyes. That was fucking scary, man. Scary,
33:13
yeah. And it was calm, too. It's not even like
33:16
Nakatani rushed it or anything. Just a perfect
33:19
shot. Oh, my God. Anyways, let's go to the...
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Friday, fucking May 23rd. It's a... Buckle up,
36:40
Buttercups. This shit is not... These guys are
36:43
still fighting? Maxie Hughes versus Archie Sharp.
36:48
This is GBM Sports. It's gonna be on DAZN. It's
36:53
like when you auto -generate a character. Archie
36:55
Sharp's like when you auto -generate a guy in
36:57
2K, but it's a boxer. Fight Night. British boxer.
37:02
Fight Night champion, like, you just pick British
37:05
boxer. Lightweight. I know Maxie Hughes is still
37:11
fighting. How old is he? 35. 35? Old enough to
37:21
still be fighting, apparently. Yeah. Young enough,
37:25
rather. Fuck. He's still around. No, I guess
37:33
it wasn't. Yeah. Go ahead. Terry Harper versus
37:37
Natalie Zimmerman. WBO lightweight title on the
37:42
line. And Ticey... Is this like a female version
37:47
of Tyson? Ticey Gallagher versus Ebony Jones.
37:50
I think that's an IBF trinket. I check. No, British
37:57
title. Okay, it's British. I mean, good for Terry
38:07
Harper for still fighting. How old is she? 28,
38:15
but the thing, like, consider, remember her story
38:19
was that she was working at Tesco, and then her
38:22
coach is like, we really need, like, a female
38:26
boxer. We need somebody to step up. Yeah, we
38:30
need someone to step up. Like, come back. Come
38:32
back to boxing. And then, like, good for her.
38:35
She's still around. Especially after that, like,
38:38
year she took off after Baumgartner had her looking
38:44
into the stars. Oh, you said Baumgartner, not...
38:49
Baumgartner. Yeah. No, that Baumgartner one was...
38:53
Stoppage. Big time. Good stoppage from the referee,
38:58
actually. She's still kicking. Good for her.
39:07
Have any of you guys seen Zimmerman? Is she any
39:09
good? I have not. I have not either. She hasn't
39:15
had an opponent with a winning record yet. Wait
39:18
a second. I have mentioned Zimmerman before.
39:25
It was a title fight. that she was on yeah the
39:32
adina kiss one yeah i'm looking on a box right
39:36
here okay okay but i've never seen her fight
39:42
i just know no she's uh this is this is a friday
39:47
british card through and through uh usually american
39:53
uh friday cards are pretty okay They're enjoyable,
39:59
but this is fucking rough. This is some rough
40:03
shit, man. It's because all the guys that used
40:05
to be the default, like Eddie Hearn puts them
40:08
on a card that keep them exciting are all retired.
40:12
Terry Flanagan. Gone is like Ted Cheeseman, bro.
40:17
Or this would be a Dave Allen card. This is the
40:19
card that they put Dave Allen on to sell pay
40:21
-per -views in 2016. Back when they were still
40:25
on Sky Sports, they go like, yeah, David Allen's
40:27
fighting some Bulgarian guy who just clocked
40:31
out of a construction job. It's the greatest
40:35
fight part of the year. And then Dave Allen struggles
40:40
to beat him. Really competitive, this one. Yeah,
40:46
then Dave Allen's like, fuck, I'm too fat. Fuck,
40:49
I'm too fat. I need to train more. And then he
40:52
never trains more. I remember one time hearing
40:56
that Eddie Heard actually said that he thought
40:58
Usyk vs. Fury was going to be horrible before
41:01
it actually happened. But in all the promos,
41:04
he was like, oh, this is a monumental fight waiting
41:06
to happen for 25 years. Great fight, great fight.
41:09
That's going to happen tonight. He literally
41:12
admitted that he thought Usyk vs. Fury was going
41:14
to be bad. It's crazy, huh? We had a famous Eddie
41:16
Heard quote being that Dave Allen was only two
41:19
fights away from AJ. Dave Allen is only two fights
41:24
away from AJ. He's only two fights away from
41:27
AJ right now, technically. AJ just needs two
41:30
more losses and then it'll be worth it. Maybe
41:33
one more fight. Dave Allen wins and AJ loses
41:36
again. Yeah, maybe. We're almost there. We're
41:39
back to the two fight. Yeah, we're back in that
41:43
state. AJ's fallen that far. You know what? I
41:50
kind of like him. He's like my dirty little secret.
41:55
I like making fun of him. I don't hate him. I
42:02
think he's the only promoter that actually sells
42:04
fighters now. You know what I mean? Like properly.
42:10
I mean... He's the face of Matchroom. You see
42:15
him in all the interviews and such. You know
42:17
what I mean? I don't think that's a good thing,
42:18
though, because then, like, you're not as invested.
42:20
You're not building the fighters. You're just
42:22
building your brand. Well, I think, I mean, he's
42:26
kind of got some good fighters. You know what
42:28
I mean? The promotion isn't very good. Like,
42:32
the way that we have talked about it before is,
42:34
like, this guy is really good. Oh, yeah, of course.
42:37
I just mean, like, you just know he's amazing.
42:40
I understand he's a good way to be the face of
42:44
your promotion, but the thing is that promoting
42:46
the fights themselves is a separate issue. Like,
42:49
again, PBC always nails it with the storytelling.
42:53
Yeah, but imagine if Al Heyman was like the face.
42:56
It wouldn't be the same. I know. So we care about
43:01
the fighters and their stories. We don't care
43:03
about Al Heyman and whatever the fuck he's up
43:05
to. Well, I mean, like Bob Arum and fucking Don
43:08
King did it back in the day, you know what I
43:10
mean? Yeah, but even Arum always took a backseat
43:13
to, like, when he had, like, his real stars.
43:18
Like, Bob Arum would always take a bit of a backseat.
43:20
Like, he never made himself the face of an Ali
43:24
promotion. Don King, though? Don King always
43:29
did, but that's because he was the one keeping
43:31
most of the money. Don King was like the turkey.
43:37
Yeah, fuck. Except good. Well, not good. Good.
43:41
Yeah, good. That's... Wait, wait, wait. Good's
43:43
a tough one, bro. Like, you gotta ask Tim Witherspoon
43:46
if he's good. He's horrible. No, he's horrible.
43:47
He's horrible. I mean, like, he put on some great
43:49
fights, though. He put on great fights. Yeah.
43:51
That's all I meant. Oh, he's a horrible person.
43:53
Fuck, dog. No. Okay, you know what? Oh, my God.
43:56
Bro, the people... I'm getting... I'm getting
43:58
canceled from boxing, bro. It's... I like Eddie
44:02
Hearn and Don King is good. Those are some doozies
44:07
right there. Oh, my God. This is my retirement
44:10
podcast, bro. This is my retirement podcast.
44:12
We're now hiring. It's actually, oh, God, I didn't
44:16
mean like that, though. Y 'all know I didn't
44:18
mean like that. Come on. Y 'all know I did not
44:20
mean like that. Oh, my God. Can you please tell
44:24
me that you guys know I didn't mean like that?
44:27
Well, I mean, listen, man. Listen, man. When
44:29
I listen to this podcast back when it comes out,
44:32
I'll tell you what it sounded like. Ah, shit.
44:37
I'll call in being like, what the fuck is this
44:39
Alex guy still doing on the show? I'm good. I
44:43
am good. Oh, you want to tell me I'm wrong? Because
44:48
I know I'm wrong, but you can tell me I'm wrong.
44:50
I'm not. No, I don't need to say Don King is
44:53
bad. That's like... Wait, wait. You know what?
44:56
That was just a play to get people to call, though.
44:57
That was just a play to get people to call. 833
44:59
Lux Pods. I am not... Ah, shit. Okay. Oh, God.
45:09
I feel like Teal right now, except I regret it.
45:12
You're right. I have remorse. I have remorse.
45:16
I was just like, Teal, but... You know what I
45:18
forgot last week? What? We had a message. Oh,
45:23
play the message now. I can't play it into Teams.
45:29
You can read it. Yeah, it says, hi, this is Matt.
45:33
Like, first time, long time kind of thing. I
45:37
wanted to talk about Canelo, about the Canelo
45:42
versus, oh, this is a bad transcription. It says
45:45
Canelo versus the girl fight. That would have
45:49
been more fun than Canelo's skull. Yeah, and
45:51
how boring it was. I expected better from what
45:56
is supposed to be the face of the sport. I don't
46:00
know. Let me... This transcription fucking sucks.
46:10
I don't know what gave him the idea it's okay
46:13
to go the distance with someone like that. That's
46:15
not on his level, but... I'm not pleased. It's
46:20
fucking disgusting, is the word. Whatever they
46:23
said, they're very correct. Yeah. They're very
46:27
correct. Very valid. Thanks, Matt. That was very
46:32
nice of you. We love you, Matt. ProBuck's good.
46:37
ProBuck's good, Matt. Matt good, ProBuck's good.
46:41
Hell yeah. Please call in again to yell at Alex.
46:46
Don King is... Not great. No, I know Don King.
46:51
That was a slip -up, bro. You said Don King was
46:56
good, bro. It'll be in the podcast. Oh, my God.
47:00
You said it. I'm done. It's over. It's over.
47:04
Oh, my God. We're getting canceled. We're getting
47:06
canceled now. God, speaking of getting canceled,
47:12
Josh Taylor is here in the next event. We skipped
47:19
Angelo Leo. Yeah, Angelo Leo is fighting Tomoki
47:23
Kameda, IBF featherweight title on the line.
47:27
I don't really know who these other people are.
47:29
The IBF minimum weight title will be on the line
47:32
in the, I think, the co -main. Honestly, this
47:36
looks a lot like a top -ranked card. Where's
47:41
he be held at, Angelo Leo? Osaka. Osaka, Japan.
47:47
Interesting fight. Now he's fighting El Mexicanito.
47:53
Moki Kaneda. Yeah, his Spanish is actually pretty
47:59
damn good. Yeah, good for him, man. I think he
48:05
and his brothers live, or at least train, in
48:08
Mexico. Yeah. Listen, man, it's not a bad tariff.
48:15
These Japan cards are always more fun than they
48:18
look on paper. Yeah, better than that Friday
48:22
shit Maxie Hughes is headlining. Yeah, like,
48:26
why the fuck isn't this on... Why can't they
48:30
suck the money out of my ass for this one? Dude,
48:34
you know what? It's so stupid how the Japanese
48:37
streaming services work. Like, you can't... You
48:41
have to have a Japanese IP. No, but it's not
48:44
even, like, just sell the rights, man. Yeah,
48:49
to somebody. Just sell the rights. Like, Probox
48:51
would probably pick that shit up and fill their
48:53
schedule. It's a title fight. It's two title
48:57
fights. ESPN would love to have it. Yeah, like,
49:01
Top Rank doesn't have to put Emmanuel Navarrete
49:04
on shit anymore if you have this. So you can't
49:09
sign up if you don't have a Japanese IP. you
49:12
sign up you try to sign up you need to have a
49:14
japanese phone number there's a website that
49:17
gives you like a temporary number that you could
49:18
do for like the text registration then you have
49:23
to have a japanese bank account or because like
49:25
you're my i tried to put my card information
49:28
in there it says like yeah we only accept japanese
49:30
banks yeah you're married your filthy american
49:33
dollar is not welcome for our product no fucking
49:36
kidding man i can't watch this shit I can't pay
49:40
you. I want to... I want... I am presenting my
49:44
ass to have the money sucked out. Like, come
49:48
on, bro. What? We're stuck watching fucking Maxie
49:53
Hughes. I want to watch Tomoki Kameda and Angelo
49:59
Leo. Even if the fight sucked, the venue was
50:02
pretty enough to, like, at least, like, hey,
50:06
it's a fun venue to look at. But the fights don't
50:10
suck. So, like, come on. Instead, on the same
50:16
day, we're watching the ghost of Josh Taylor
50:19
and a bunch of fucking... There's one good fight
50:22
on this damn card. Hey, Tom. Yeah, Tom was fighting
50:26
someone like Balrog or something, bro. Balogun?
50:33
Balogun. He lost to Gassiev in, like, two years
50:37
ago. I don't know. At least Atom was fighting.
50:42
That's the exciting part. I don't care about
50:44
the rest of this card. Josh Taylor's old. Josh
50:49
Taylor is old and he's still at 140 for some
50:52
reason. I thought this was at 147. No, no, it's
50:56
at 147. He finally moved up. Yeah. But, like,
51:01
really? He's only 34. Yeah, but he's an old 34.
51:11
He's an old, old 34. Because it's not like, again,
51:15
it's not his defense that ever carried him in
51:17
these fights. It was always his heart and general
51:21
ranginess. Discipline. Remember how pro -grade
51:28
made his eye look? No. The picture of him holding
51:36
the Ali trophy where the bruise over his eye
51:40
is like, the fucking boy like a like a mump or
51:43
a boil over his face like in the cartoons yeah
51:48
literally that's i mean like he's never been
51:52
uh and he's taken a good amount of punishment
51:54
in his last three three fights because like jack
52:01
kettle beat him the first time and they robbed
52:04
them Teofimo Lopez put belt to ass, and then
52:08
Jack Catterall also put belt to ass and fouled
52:10
him a bunch. Like, he's got a lot of miles on
52:12
the clock. I will never bring another fighter
52:16
to Britain. Oh, my God. Look at his eye. He doesn't
52:22
even have one. Yeah, like, that's what I mean.
52:25
He's got miles on the clock, and he probably
52:29
spent too long at 140. So, make what you will.
52:39
He's probably still going to beat this guy. Ekau
52:42
Esuman. Ekau Esuman, yeah. But, like, it's not
52:46
going to be pretty because Josh Taylor's a bit
52:49
of a mauling, fouling fighter. But, I mean, he'll
52:56
get some WBO trinket to stay in the mix. So,
53:02
there's that. Do we care that much about Nathaniel
53:09
Collins and Lee McGregor? Fuck no. Not really.
53:18
They're both Brit -level guys who will win or
53:22
lose, still stay around Brit -level. They're
53:27
not going to beat Nick Ball, but they can probably
53:32
wait for Nick Ball to lose and pick up the trinkets
53:34
that he drops from that. Pick up the loot? Yeah,
53:39
basically. Man. Someone has to fill the rankings.
53:44
Someone has to fill the rankings in. Like Britain's
53:47
Rocha and Korea. Yeah, if there's some British
53:55
listener or Irish, Scottish, whatever. United
54:00
Kingdom listener. British Isles. Why should I
54:05
care? It's about Nathaniel Collins and or Lee
54:09
McGregor. Also, tell us why Don King is bad.
54:18
He is bad, by the way. He's very bad. That's
54:23
a backtrack from... Look, the woke left has forced
54:28
him to admit that Don King is bad. I always thought
54:33
that. I just thought he put on good fights. You
54:34
can't deny that, dude. Yeah, I know. The way
54:39
it came out was just really funny. That's definitely
54:43
not going to be on Patreon. That's definitely
54:45
going to go to the main. That's going to the
54:47
main. You know the one where he's like, you need
54:53
to leave. Like TikTok audio. That's going to
54:57
go viral. Yeah, that's the clip you put on social
55:01
media. I'm getting clipped right there. Bro,
55:06
like, Don King has a fucking Wikipedia article
55:08
about lawsuits and prosecutions. Has his own
55:12
lawsuits page? Yeah, on Wikipedia. All lawsuits
55:18
and prosecutions. Yeah. He got investigated for
55:23
being connected to John Gotti. The IRS stole
55:28
$32 ,000 from his house because he didn't fucking
55:32
pay it. Wait, wait, okay, okay, okay. You guys,
55:36
like, flew me with it, right? Yeah. You're just
55:40
moving the goalposts, man. Don King stomped the
55:43
guy to death over $600, bro. He beat his wife.
55:48
Mayweather beat his wife. Don King stomped the
55:50
guy to death, bro. You guys are getting paid
55:53
by Mayweather, dog. I wish. He beat his wife,
55:58
and you guys have not mentioned that. That got
56:00
cut from one of the podcast ones. Nah, man, because
56:03
it's not relevant. I'm not saying Floyd Mayweather
56:08
is the paragon of morality here. I'm definitely
56:11
not moving the goalpost. This is moving the goalpost.
56:15
I'm definitely not moving the goalpost. You guys
56:18
are just getting paid off by big Mayweather promotions.
56:20
Nah, bro. Like, here's Wikipedia, bro. The Mayweather
56:23
Industrial Complex. Yeah. In 1967, King was convicted
56:30
of voluntary manslaughter for stomping one of
56:32
his employees to death because he owed him $600.
56:36
Yeah, Don King's horrible. I know, Don King's
56:38
horrible, bro. I know, I know. I'm about to go
56:41
to, like, the Fox News of Boxing podcast. Yeah.
56:44
We're moving this podcast to Rumble. I'm not
56:48
going to shoot a bullet at another fucking podcast.
56:52
I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I'm going to
56:53
shut the fuck up. You know what? At least we
57:01
filled it. We didn't need to break in any of
57:02
the filler with that. No. Didn't need to break
57:05
glass on this one. We'll probably have to break
57:08
it in a couple weeks with this. We'll have to
57:09
talk about the previews of this. The recaps of
57:12
these weekends. Yeah. I'm sorry for the listeners
57:19
who had to listen to this. I'm going to talk
57:22
about the NBA playoffs if it's that bleak. I
57:26
usually have that up top, like if it's something
57:31
I recognize, if it's a team I know or a team
57:33
I kind of sort of care about. NBA draft is rigged,
57:36
by the way. They gave Dallas the fucking first
57:39
pick. What? The draft lottery was today. The
57:45
Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick. Didn't
57:49
they just get that really good Serbian guy? No,
57:53
they traded him away. They lost the Serbian guy,
57:56
that's right. For nothing. They traded him for
57:59
the ghost of Anthony Davis and a pack of peanuts.
58:06
And then they got rewarded with Cooper flags,
58:09
so they got another generational guy. Horrible,
58:15
horrible stuff. But anyways, is that all? That
58:21
is. That is all the boxing. Yeah, let me make
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Noises. Parting words. Yeah. No, that's where
59:42
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All that stuff. Yeah. But parting words. We're
59:55
heading into Bleak Week. Bleak Weekend. Bleak
59:59
End. Ah, good one. Bleak End. I'm getting cancelled.
1:00:09
Oh, yeah. I'm going to get replaced by, like,
1:00:13
Isaac again. Let's get Isaac back on the podcast,
1:00:18
dog. Nah, we got to bring... We got to get Angelo
1:00:21
in. Angelo. Let's see if we can drag him out.
1:00:27
I don't know what that guy is. Let's see if we
1:00:30
can drag Angelo out. He wouldn't come on here.
1:00:35
He wouldn't? Damn. You gotta pay him for that.
1:00:40
Uh, Noir on the Discord. Wait, what's his name?
1:00:46
Noir. Have you seriously not talked to him, bro?
1:00:52
Noir? Yeah, he's like, he's not the owner of
1:00:58
the Discord, but he's not. Well, no, because
1:01:02
I know he has the other one, the Sunday Punchers.
1:01:05
Yeah. He doesn't even do that one. What do you
1:01:11
mean? He's still on. I thought he was still on
1:01:13
it. He only posted to Patreon, which I do not
1:01:20
pay for. I add myself to the Patreon channel,
1:01:22
but I don't pay for it. Listen, he's tried to
1:01:27
kick me out of the Patreon channel repeatedly.
1:01:30
It's not happening. Wait, so wait. Why do you
1:01:35
want him back, Josh? Why do you want him on here?
1:01:41
I don't know, because he doesn't think Don King
1:01:44
is good. Awkward. I don't know, man. I don't
1:01:54
know, man. I was just thinking of potential replacements
1:01:58
for when the woke mob cancels you, Alex. Yeah,
1:02:02
the woke boxing mob. The woke boxing mob. Bring
1:02:06
RGF back, too. First day... First they came for
1:02:10
Teofimo and I said nothing because he's a fucking
1:02:14
racist. And then they came for Alex and I also
1:02:20
said nothing because I disagree with... I disagree
1:02:22
with Dodd King being good. You know what? No,
1:02:26
I didn't mean it like that, though. I did not
1:02:28
mean it like that. You know what? I know. You
1:02:29
know what? You know what? This is the only good
1:02:31
thing about it because Devin Haney is going to
1:02:33
do some stupid bullshit again. Devin Haney and
1:02:37
Ryan Garcia is going to do some bullshit and
1:02:38
it's going to... No one's going to know about
1:02:39
this. God, imagine the era. Imagine the era where
1:02:42
instead of getting paid too much, Don King would
1:02:46
have been robbing those guys. Yeah. Honestly,
1:02:50
I would love Don King to rob Demi Haney. Yeah.
1:02:53
It would have been the only thing he would do.
1:02:55
Parting words, Provox good, Ryan good. Eat more
1:03:01
ramen. That's true. Put the ramen ad right in
1:03:09
the middle of the closing words. If that's all
1:03:14
we got, then that's it for this edition of the
1:03:18
Boxing B -Sides. B -Sides.