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The Role of Allyship in Education: Insights from Jim Van Nada · The Wheelhouse

• 0:01
  Jim
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  Vaneda
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  returns
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  to
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  in
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  a
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  fascinating
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  conversation
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  starting
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  from
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  what
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  it
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  looks
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  like
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  to
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  look
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  at
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  issues
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  in
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  our
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  schools
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  through
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  an
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  equity
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  lens.
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  A
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  new
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
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  begins
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  right
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  now.
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  Thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  taking
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  time
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  out
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  of
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  your
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  busy
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  day
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  to
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  give
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  us
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  a
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  listen.
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  Season
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  nine
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  features
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  a
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  panel
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  of
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  four
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  like
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  minded
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  friends
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  and
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  colleagues.
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  Cathy
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  Mone,
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  Michael
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  Pipa,
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  Dr.
• 0:39
  Alicia
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  Munro,
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  and
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  yours
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  truly.
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  We've
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  opened
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  the
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  conversation
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  this
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  season
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  to
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  think
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  about
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  empowering
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  educators
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  to
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  cultivate
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  hope.
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  In
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  this
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  ninth
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  episode,
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  we
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  welcome
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  to
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  return
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  to
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  the
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  Wheelhouse
• 0:52
  Jim
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  Vaneda,
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  a
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  higher
• 0:54
  education
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  professional
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  and
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  currently
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  a
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  coordinator
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  of
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  student
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  services
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  in
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  a
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  local
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  district.
• 1:00
  What?
• 1:00
  We
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  started
• 1:01
  the
• 1:01
  conversation
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  thinking
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  about
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  how
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  we
• 1:04
  could
• 1:04
  look
• 1:04
  at
• 1:04
  issues
• 1:05
  in
• 1:05
  education
• 1:06
  around
• 1:06
  an
• 1:06
  equity
• 1:07
  lens.
• 1:08
  And
• 1:08
  the
• 1:08
  conversation
• 1:09
  moved
• 1:10
  from
• 1:10
  there
• 1:11
  to
• 1:11
  what
• 1:11
  is
• 1:12
  ally?
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  And
• 1:13
  what
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  is
• 1:13
  the
• 1:13
  difference
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  between
• 1:14
  being
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  an
• 1:15
  ally
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  as
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  a
• 1:17
  noun
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  and
• 1:18
  looking
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  at
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  ally
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  as
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  a
• 1:20
  verb?
• 1:21
  You
• 1:21
  know,
• 1:21
  it
• 1:21
  was
• 1:21
  a
• 1:22
  great
• 1:22
  conversation
• 1:23
  and
• 1:23
  there
• 1:23
  were
• 1:23
  so
• 1:24
  many
• 1:24
  intriguing
• 1:24
  ideas
• 1:25
  that
• 1:25
  we
• 1:25
  brought
• 1:25
  to
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  the
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  space.
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  I
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  hope
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  you'll
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  listen
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  to
• 1:27
  the
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  entire
• 1:28
  episode
• 1:29
  to
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  hear
• 1:29
  the
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  details
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  together.
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  Let's
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  cultivate
• 1:32
  hope
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  for
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  each
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  and
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  every
• 1:34
  student.
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  And
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  now,
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  episode
• 1:36
  nine
• 1:37
  and
• 1:37
  a
• 1:37
  great
• 1:37
  conversation
• 1:38
  with
• 1:38
  our
• 1:39
  friend
• 1:39
  Jim
• 1:39
  Veneta.
• 1:40
  You're
• 1:40
  not
• 1:41
  going
• 1:41
  to
• 1:41
  want
• 1:41
  to
• 1:41
  miss
• 1:41
  this.
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  Take
• 1:42
  a
• 1:42
  listen.
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  Good
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  morning
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  and
• 1:49
  welcome
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  to
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  the
• 1:50
  Wheelhouse.
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  I'm
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  Grant
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  Chandler
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  and
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  as
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  I
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  say
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  every
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  week,
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  I
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  am
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  super
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  excited
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  to
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  be
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  in
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  this
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  space
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  to
• 1:57
  have
• 1:57
  these
• 1:58
  conversations
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  with
• 1:59
  such
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  genius,
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  brilliant
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  people
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  whose
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  hearts
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  are
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  all
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  in
• 2:04
  the
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  right
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  place.
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  So
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  as
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  we
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  get
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  started,
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  let
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  me
• 2:07
  welcome
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  first
• 2:08
  the
• 2:08
  people
• 2:08
  who
• 2:09
  join
• 2:09
  me
• 2:09
  every
• 2:10
  week
• 2:10
  in
• 2:10
  the
• 2:11
  Wheelhouse.
• 2:12
  Kathy
• 2:12
  Mone,
• 2:12
  Michael
• 2:13
  Pipa,
• 2:13
  and
• 2:14
  Alicia
• 2:15
  Monroe.
• 2:15
  Good
• 2:16
  morning.
• 2:17
  Good
• 2:17
  morning.
• 2:18
  Good
• 2:18
  morning.
• 2:19
  That
• 2:20
  was
• 2:20
  almost
• 2:20
  there.
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  Jim.
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  This
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  is
• 2:22
  kind
• 2:22
  of.
• 2:22
  Sometimes
• 2:22
  it
• 2:23
  seems
• 2:23
  like
• 2:23
  a
• 2:23
  choir
• 2:24
  when
• 2:24
  they
• 2:24
  do
• 2:24
  it,
• 2:24
  and
• 2:24
  I'm
• 2:25
  here
• 2:25
  with
• 2:25
  a
• 2:25
  baton.
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  Not
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  so
• 2:26
  much
• 2:27
  this
• 2:27
  morning.
• 2:27
  That's
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  okay.
• 2:29
  That's
• 2:29
  okay.
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  We
• 2:30
  are.
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  We
• 2:30
  are
• 2:31
  still
• 2:31
  in
• 2:32
  unison.
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  Hey.
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  Good
• 2:34
  morning,
• 2:34
  everyone.
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  Good
• 2:35
  morning.
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  Good
• 2:36
  morning.
• 2:37
  Everybody
• 2:38
  is
• 2:38
  well?
• 2:40
  So
• 2:40
  good.
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  Yes.
• 2:41
  You
• 2:41
  know,
• 2:42
  I
• 2:42
  say
• 2:42
  this
• 2:42
  every
• 2:43
  time.
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  This
• 2:43
  is
• 2:44
  my
• 2:44
  favorite
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  day
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  of
• 2:46
  the
• 2:46
  week,
• 2:46
  even
• 2:47
  more
• 2:47
  than
• 2:47
  weekends.
• 2:48
  Can
• 2:48
  you
• 2:48
  believe
• 2:48
  that?
• 2:49
  Wow.
• 2:50
  Wow.
• 2:51
  More
• 2:51
  than
• 2:51
  weekends.
• 2:52
  I
• 2:52
  truly
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  love
• 2:53
  the
• 2:53
  opportunity
• 2:54
  to
• 2:54
  be
• 2:54
  in
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  space
• 2:55
  with
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  just
• 2:57
  incredible
• 2:58
  human
• 2:58
  beings
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  and
• 2:59
  to
• 2:59
  be
• 2:59
  able
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  to.
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  To
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  connect
• 3:01
  with.
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  With
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  those
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  you
• 3:03
  that
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  wouldn't
• 3:04
  normally
• 3:04
  have
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  opportunity
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  to
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  connect
• 3:06
  and
• 3:06
  then
• 3:06
  to
• 3:07
  bring
• 3:07
  guests
• 3:07
  in
• 3:08
  each
• 3:08
  week,
• 3:09
  like
• 3:09
  we're
• 3:09
  going
• 3:10
  to
• 3:10
  introduce
• 3:10
  here
• 3:10
  in
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  second.
• 3:12
  It
• 3:12
  just
• 3:12
  is
• 3:13
  a.
• 3:13
  It's
• 3:13
  a
• 3:13
  highlight.
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  It
• 3:14
  kind
• 3:14
  of
• 3:15
  sets
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  tone
• 3:15
  for,
• 3:16
  for,
• 3:17
  for
• 3:17
  everything.
• 3:18
  So
• 3:18
  thank
• 3:18
  you.
• 3:20
  Well
• 3:20
  said.
• 3:21
  How
• 3:22
  do
• 3:22
  you
• 3:22
  top
• 3:22
  that?
• 3:23
  Right?
• 3:23
  How
• 3:23
  do
• 3:23
  you
• 3:23
  top
• 3:24
  say
• 3:25
  anything
• 3:26
  to
• 3:26
  that,
• 3:26
  except
• 3:27
  to
• 3:27
  SM
• 3:28
  is
• 3:28
  not
• 3:28
  readable
• 3:29
  in
• 3:29
  a
• 3:29
  podcast.
• 3:30
  So
• 3:30
  if
• 3:31
  you're
• 3:31
  listening,
• 3:32
  you've
• 3:32
  got
• 3:32
  people
• 3:32
  cheesy
• 3:33
  grins
• 3:33
  from
• 3:34
  ear
• 3:34
  to
• 3:34
  ear.
• 3:34
  Right.
• 3:35
  As
• 3:36
  they're
• 3:36
  listening
• 3:36
  to
• 3:37
  that.
• 3:37
  Well,
• 3:38
  let's
• 3:38
  bring
• 3:39
  in
• 3:39
  our
• 3:39
  special
• 3:40
  guest.
• 3:40
  So
• 3:41
  those
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  you
• 3:42
  who
• 3:42
  listen
• 3:42
  to
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  podcast
• 3:43
  regularly,
• 3:44
  which,
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  know,
• 3:45
  the
• 3:45
  10
• 3:45
  million
• 3:45
  people
• 3:46
  out
• 3:46
  there
• 3:46
  that
• 3:47
  do
• 3:47
  that
• 3:47
  on
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  regular
• 3:48
  basis,
• 3:50
  you
• 3:51
  will
• 3:51
  recall
• 3:51
  that
• 3:52
  our
• 3:52
  guest,
• 3:53
  our
• 3:53
  special
• 3:53
  guest
• 3:53
  this
• 3:54
  morning,
• 3:54
  Jim
• 3:54
  Veneta,
• 3:55
  joined
• 3:55
  us
• 3:56
  in
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  last
• 3:57
  season
• 3:57
  of
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  podcast,
• 3:59
  and
• 4:00
  what
• 4:01
  an
• 4:01
  incredible
• 4:01
  episode
• 4:02
  it
• 4:02
  was.
• 4:04
  And
• 4:04
  so
• 4:04
  we
• 4:05
  wanted
• 4:06
  to.
• 4:06
  We
• 4:07
  invited
• 4:07
  him
• 4:07
  back
• 4:08
  to
• 4:08
  join
• 4:09
  us
• 4:09
  today,
• 4:09
  and
• 4:09
  he
• 4:10
  is
• 4:10
  such
• 4:10
  a
• 4:11
  lover
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  early
• 4:12
  mornings.
• 4:14
  He
• 4:15
  asked
• 4:15
  us
• 4:15
  to
• 4:16
  move
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  time
• 4:17
  earlier
• 4:18
  because
• 4:18
  he's
• 4:19
  so
• 4:19
  fresh
• 4:20
  early
• 4:20
  in
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  morning.
• 4:23
  So.
• 4:25
  So
• 4:25
  please
• 4:26
  welcome
• 4:26
  Jim
• 4:27
  Veneta,
• 4:27
  who
• 4:28
  is
• 4:28
  a
• 4:29
  director
• 4:29
  of
• 4:30
  Student
• 4:30
  Support
• 4:31
  Services.
• 4:31
  It's
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  broad
• 4:32
  title
• 4:33
  in.
• 4:34
  In
• 4:34
  a.
• 4:34
  In
• 4:34
  a
• 4:34
  school
• 4:35
  somewhere
• 4:35
  near
• 4:36
  you,
• 4:36
  in
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  mysterious
• 4:37
  location.
• 4:38
  But
• 4:38
  we
• 4:39
  are
• 4:39
  thrilled
• 4:39
  to
• 4:39
  have
• 4:40
  Jim
• 4:40
  back
• 4:40
  to
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  wheelhouse
• 4:41
  today.
• 4:41
  Good
• 4:42
  morning,
• 4:42
  sir.
• 4:43
  Good
• 4:43
  morning.
• 4:44
  It
• 4:44
  is
• 4:45
  wonderful
• 4:45
  to
• 4:45
  be
• 4:46
  back
• 4:46
  despite
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  early
• 4:47
  morning.
• 4:48
  Those
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  who
• 4:49
  can't,
• 4:49
  obviously,
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  can't
• 4:50
  see
• 4:50
  me.
• 4:50
  My
• 4:50
  hair
• 4:50
  is
• 4:51
  still
• 4:51
  wet
• 4:51
  from
• 4:51
  my
• 4:51
  shower,
• 4:52
  but
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  got
• 4:53
  my
• 4:53
  coffee
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  I'm
• 4:54
  excited
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  be
• 4:54
  here.
• 4:55
  It
• 4:56
  looks
• 4:56
  like
• 4:56
  he's
• 4:56
  been
• 4:56
  up
• 4:57
  for
• 4:57
  hours,
• 4:58
  right?
• 4:59
  Hours
• 5:00
  or
• 5:01
  minutes,
• 5:01
  I'm
• 5:02
  not
• 5:02
  sure.
• 5:02
  Right.
• 5:04
  Maybe
• 5:04
  our
• 5:05
  thing.
• 5:06
  There
• 5:06
  you
• 5:07
  go.
• 5:07
  There
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  go.
• 5:10
  Well,
• 5:10
  this
• 5:10
  is
• 5:10
  going
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  be
• 5:11
  another
• 5:11
  great
• 5:11
  conversation.
• 5:13
  The
• 5:13
  whole
• 5:13
  season
• 5:14
  has
• 5:14
  been
• 5:14
  dedicated
• 5:15
  to
• 5:16
  what
• 5:16
  Alicia
• 5:17
  called
• 5:18
  this.
• 5:19
  We
• 5:19
  have
• 5:19
  two
• 5:20
  choices
• 5:21
  as
• 5:21
  educators.
• 5:22
  We
• 5:22
  either
• 5:22
  cultivate
• 5:23
  hope
• 5:23
  or
• 5:23
  kill
• 5:24
  dreams.
• 5:25
  And
• 5:26
  we
• 5:26
  have
• 5:27
  been
• 5:27
  talking
• 5:27
  about
• 5:28
  that
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  various
• 5:30
  ways
• 5:31
  throughout
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  entire
• 5:32
  season
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  will
• 5:33
  continue
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  do
• 5:34
  so.
• 5:35
  And
• 5:36
  knowing
• 5:37
  that
• 5:37
  Jim
• 5:38
  was
• 5:38
  joining
• 5:38
  us
• 5:38
  and
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  he's
• 5:39
  responsible
• 5:41
  in
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  place
• 5:41
  that
• 5:41
  he
• 5:42
  works
• 5:42
  for
• 5:43
  all
• 5:43
  sorts
• 5:43
  of
• 5:44
  decisions
• 5:44
  around
• 5:45
  how
• 5:46
  we
• 5:46
  integrate
• 5:46
  with
• 5:47
  the
• 5:48
  instructional
• 5:49
  staff,
• 5:49
  how
• 5:49
  we
• 5:50
  provide
• 5:50
  support
• 5:50
  services
• 5:51
  to
• 5:52
  all
• 5:52
  students.
• 5:53
  Right.
• 5:53
  And
• 5:53
  to,
• 5:54
  you
• 5:54
  know,
• 5:54
  particular
• 5:54
  students
• 5:55
  as
• 5:55
  well,
• 5:55
  that
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
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• 5:56
  it
• 5:56
  was
• 5:56
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• 5:56
  Would
• 5:56
  be
• 5:57
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• 5:57
  interesting
• 5:58
  to.
• 5:59
  And
• 6:00
  again,
• 6:00
  it's
• 6:00
  2025.
• 6:01
  Right.
• 6:01
  It's
• 6:02
  2025.
• 6:02
  So
• 6:02
  we
• 6:03
  know
• 6:03
  what
• 6:03
  that
• 6:03
  means.
• 6:04
  But
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  thought
• 6:04
  it'd
• 6:04
  be
• 6:04
  really
• 6:05
  interesting
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  really
• 6:06
  focus
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  conversation
• 6:08
  around
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  need
• 6:11
  as
• 6:11
  we
• 6:11
  all
• 6:11
  make
• 6:11
  decisions.
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  mean,
• 6:12
  everybody
• 6:13
  sitting
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  this
• 6:13
  podcast
• 6:14
  has
• 6:15
  been
• 6:16
  in
• 6:16
  a
• 6:16
  role
• 6:16
  or
• 6:16
  is
• 6:17
  still
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  role
• 6:18
  where
• 6:18
  they're
• 6:18
  making
• 6:18
  lots
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  decisions,
• 6:20
  lots
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  recommendations
• 6:22
  for.
• 6:22
  For
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  change
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  trajectory
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  a
• 6:25
  particular
• 6:26
  organization
• 6:27
  either
• 6:27
  on
• 6:27
  a
• 6:27
  daily
• 6:28
  basis.
• 6:28
  Right.
• 6:29
  Or
• 6:29
  in.
• 6:29
  In
• 6:29
  that
• 6:30
  long
• 6:30
  term.
• 6:31
  And
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  wonder
• 6:32
  often.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  was
• 6:33
  having
• 6:33
  this
• 6:33
  conversation
• 6:34
  with
• 6:35
  a
• 6:35
  district
• 6:35
  yesterday
• 6:37
  in
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  great
• 6:38
  state
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  New
• 6:38
  York,
• 6:39
  and
• 6:40
  it's
• 6:40
  kind
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  where
• 6:41
  this
• 6:41
  topic
• 6:42
  came
• 6:42
  from.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  it
• 6:43
  is,
• 6:43
  you
• 6:44
  know,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  wonder,
• 6:44
  as
• 6:45
  we
• 6:45
  are
• 6:46
  making
• 6:46
  all
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  these
• 6:47
  decisions,
• 6:48
  if
• 6:48
  we're
• 6:49
  really
• 6:49
  in
• 6:49
  tune
• 6:50
  with
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  impact
• 6:52
  of
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  decisions
• 6:54
  that
• 6:54
  we
• 6:54
  make
• 6:55
  on
• 6:56
  certain
• 6:56
  people.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  if
• 6:57
  you
• 6:57
  look
• 6:57
  at
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  literature,
• 6:59
  they
• 7:00
  call
• 7:00
  that
• 7:02
  looking
• 7:03
  from
• 7:03
  an
• 7:04
  equity
• 7:04
  lens.
• 7:05
  And
• 7:05
  I
• 7:06
  know
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  word,
• 7:07
  which
• 7:07
  is
• 7:08
  a
• 7:08
  word
• 7:08
  that
• 7:08
  is
• 7:08
  incredibly
• 7:10
  important
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  people
• 7:12
  who
• 7:12
  are
• 7:12
  sitting
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  this
• 7:13
  podcast,
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  not
• 7:13
  always
• 7:14
  well
• 7:14
  received
• 7:15
  out
• 7:16
  there
• 7:16
  in
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  greater
• 7:17
  community
• 7:18
  because
• 7:18
  they
• 7:18
  don't
• 7:19
  understand
• 7:19
  what
• 7:19
  it
• 7:19
  means.
• 7:21
  But
• 7:21
  if
• 7:21
  you
• 7:22
  think
• 7:22
  about
• 7:22
  it,
• 7:24
  looking
• 7:25
  at
• 7:25
  something
• 7:25
  from
• 7:25
  an
• 7:26
  equity
• 7:26
  lens
• 7:27
  just
• 7:27
  really
• 7:28
  helps
• 7:29
  us
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  think
• 7:30
  about
• 7:30
  which
• 7:30
  we
• 7:30
  should
• 7:31
  all
• 7:31
  be
• 7:31
  doing
• 7:32
  is
• 7:33
  the
• 7:34
  decisions
• 7:34
  that
• 7:34
  we
• 7:34
  make
• 7:34
  on
• 7:35
  a
• 7:35
  daily
• 7:35
  basis,
• 7:36
  who's
• 7:36
  impacted
• 7:37
  by
• 7:38
  them
• 7:39
  and
• 7:39
  who's
• 7:39
  impacted
• 7:40
  by
• 7:40
  them
• 7:41
  in
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  profoundly
• 7:42
  important,
• 7:43
  good
• 7:43
  way
• 7:44
  and
• 7:44
  who's
• 7:45
  impacted
• 7:46
  by
• 7:46
  them.
• 7:47
  And
• 7:47
  whether
• 7:48
  that's
• 7:48
  intentional
• 7:49
  or
• 7:49
  non
• 7:49
  intentional,
• 7:50
  we
• 7:50
  hope
• 7:50
  it's
• 7:50
  not
• 7:51
  intentional
• 7:52
  in
• 7:52
  a
• 7:52
  bad
• 7:53
  way.
• 7:53
  So
• 7:54
  I'm
• 7:54
  just
• 7:54
  going
• 7:54
  to
• 7:54
  throw
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  questions
• 7:55
  out
• 7:55
  there
• 7:56
  first
• 7:57
  so
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  people
• 7:57
  have
• 7:58
  them
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  their
• 7:58
  head
• 7:58
  and
• 7:59
  then
• 7:59
  we're
• 8:00
  going
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  defer
• 8:01
  to
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  geniuses
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  are
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  this
• 8:02
  podcast
• 8:03
  to
• 8:03
  say,
• 8:03
  hey,
• 8:04
  what
• 8:04
  does
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  all
• 8:05
  mean?
• 8:05
  What
• 8:05
  does
• 8:06
  that
• 8:06
  all
• 8:06
  mean?
• 8:06
  So
• 8:07
  looking
• 8:07
  at
• 8:07
  things
• 8:07
  from
• 8:08
  that
• 8:08
  equity
• 8:09
  lens,
• 8:09
  thinking
• 8:10
  about
• 8:10
  what
• 8:11
  each
• 8:11
  student
• 8:12
  needs
• 8:12
  and
• 8:13
  what
• 8:13
  each
• 8:13
  student
• 8:13
  brings
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  the
• 8:14
  table,
• 8:15
  I
• 8:15
  think
• 8:15
  these
• 8:15
  questions
• 8:16
  are
• 8:16
  super
• 8:16
  profound.
• 8:17
  One,
• 8:18
  how
• 8:19
  does
• 8:19
  this,
• 8:19
  whatever
• 8:20
  this
• 8:20
  is
• 8:20
  the
• 8:21
  decision,
• 8:21
  how
• 8:21
  does
• 8:22
  this
• 8:22
  decision
• 8:23
  impact
• 8:24
  each
• 8:24
  individual
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  why?
• 8:28
  Two,
• 8:28
  how
• 8:29
  does
• 8:29
  this
• 8:29
  decision
• 8:30
  improve,
• 8:32
  maintain,
• 8:33
  ignore
• 8:34
  or
• 8:34
  worsen?
• 8:35
  This
• 8:36
  is
• 8:36
  one
• 8:36
  of
• 8:36
  my
• 8:36
  favorite
• 8:37
  questions,
• 8:37
  the
• 8:38
  experiences
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  each
• 8:40
  individual.
• 8:42
  Three,
• 8:43
  what
• 8:43
  barriers
• 8:43
  might
• 8:44
  this
• 8:44
  raise
• 8:44
  for
• 8:44
  each
• 8:44
  individual
• 8:45
  and
• 8:45
  how
• 8:45
  can
• 8:45
  those
• 8:46
  barriers
• 8:46
  be
• 8:46
  overcome?
• 8:48
  4,
• 8:49
  considering
• 8:49
  the
• 8:50
  relevant
• 8:50
  data,
• 8:50
  what
• 8:51
  opportunities
• 8:51
  or
• 8:52
  gaps
• 8:52
  can
• 8:52
  we
• 8:52
  identify?
• 8:54
  Five,
• 8:55
  how
• 8:55
  will
• 8:56
  we
• 8:56
  include
• 8:56
  impacted
• 8:57
  populations
• 8:58
  in
• 8:59
  our
• 8:59
  analysis
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  in
• 9:01
  our
• 9:01
  decision
• 9:02
  making
• 9:02
  process?
• 9:03
  Because
• 9:04
  we
• 9:04
  often
• 9:04
  ignore
• 9:04
  certain
• 9:05
  people.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:06
  six,
• 9:06
  and
• 9:07
  this
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  my
• 9:07
  other,
• 9:08
  my
• 9:08
  second
• 9:08
  favorite
• 9:09
  question,
• 9:09
  is
• 9:10
  it
• 9:10
  possible
• 9:11
  that
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  specific
• 9:12
  group
• 9:13
  of
• 9:13
  students
• 9:14
  could
• 9:14
  be
• 9:15
  impacted
• 9:16
  negatively
• 9:17
  by
• 9:18
  my
• 9:18
  decision
• 9:18
  or
• 9:19
  this
• 9:19
  decision?
• 9:19
  And
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  can't
• 9:21
  see
• 9:21
  it.
• 9:23
  So
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  just
• 9:23
  think
• 9:23
  those
• 9:24
  are
• 9:24
  some
• 9:24
  really
• 9:25
  interesting
• 9:25
  questions.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:28
  we're
• 9:28
  just
• 9:28
  going
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  defer
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  our
• 9:29
  special
• 9:29
  guests.
• 9:30
  First,
• 9:30
  we're
• 9:30
  going
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  put
• 9:30
  him
• 9:31
  on
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  spot
• 9:31
  to
• 9:31
  say
• 9:32
  when
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  hear
• 9:32
  those
• 9:33
  or
• 9:33
  when
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  read
• 9:33
  those,
• 9:34
  what
• 9:34
  goes
• 9:34
  through
• 9:34
  your
• 9:35
  mind?
• 9:35
  Mr.
• 9:36
  Van
• 9:36
  Ada?
• 9:37
  Yeah,
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  think
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  thing
• 9:39
  that
• 9:39
  is
• 9:39
  running
• 9:40
  through
• 9:40
  my
• 9:40
  mind
• 9:40
  right
• 9:41
  now
• 9:42
  is
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  school
• 9:43
  where
• 9:43
  I
• 9:43
  work
• 9:43
  has
• 9:44
  an
• 9:44
  incredibly
• 9:45
  broad
• 9:46
  population.
• 9:47
  It's
• 9:47
  a
• 9:47
  little
• 9:47
  bit
• 9:47
  of
• 9:48
  everybody.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:51
  in
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  perfect
• 9:52
  world,
• 9:52
  I
• 9:52
  could
• 9:53
  listen
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  every
• 9:54
  single
• 9:54
  person's
• 9:55
  story
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  know
• 9:57
  exactly
• 9:57
  what
• 9:58
  they
• 9:58
  need
• 9:58
  from
• 9:59
  them
• 9:59
  and
• 9:59
  deliver
• 9:59
  it
• 10:00
  to
• 10:00
  them.
• 10:01
  It's
• 10:01
  not
• 10:01
  a
• 10:01
  perfect
• 10:02
  world.
• 10:02
  We
• 10:02
  don't
• 10:02
  always
• 10:02
  hear
• 10:03
  from
• 10:03
  everybody.
• 10:03
  People
• 10:04
  don't
• 10:04
  always
• 10:04
  want
• 10:04
  to
• 10:05
  share.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:07
  so
• 10:07
  we
• 10:07
  have
• 10:07
  to
• 10:08
  make
• 10:09
  decisions
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  best
• 10:10
  we
• 10:10
  can
• 10:11
  with
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  information
• 10:12
  we
• 10:12
  have.
• 10:13
  And
• 10:15
  early
• 10:15
  in
• 10:15
  my
• 10:16
  career,
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  used
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  find
• 10:17
  it
• 10:17
  so
• 10:17
  crippling
• 10:18
  to
• 10:19
  try
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  make
• 10:20
  decisions
• 10:20
  from
• 10:20
  an
• 10:21
  equity
• 10:21
  lens,
• 10:22
  because
• 10:23
  what
• 10:23
  if
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  get
• 10:23
  it
• 10:24
  wrong
• 10:25
  now
• 10:26
  in
• 10:26
  my
• 10:26
  career,
• 10:26
  I've
• 10:27
  gotten
• 10:27
  it
• 10:27
  wrong
• 10:28
  many,
• 10:28
  many,
• 10:29
  many
• 10:29
  times
• 10:30
  where
• 10:30
  I've
• 10:30
  made
• 10:30
  those
• 10:31
  decisions
• 10:31
  that
• 10:31
  have
• 10:32
  helped
• 10:32
  some
• 10:32
  or
• 10:32
  hurt
• 10:33
  others
• 10:34
  and
• 10:34
  learned
• 10:35
  from
• 10:35
  those.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:36
  rather
• 10:37
  than
• 10:37
  letting
• 10:37
  that
• 10:38
  paralyze
• 10:39
  me,
• 10:40
  it
• 10:41
  helps
• 10:41
  me
• 10:42
  to
• 10:42
  continue
• 10:42
  to
• 10:42
  grow
• 10:43
  and
• 10:43
  do
• 10:43
  better
• 10:44
  next
• 10:44
  time.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:45
  when
• 10:45
  someone
• 10:45
  says,
• 10:46
  hey,
• 10:46
  this
• 10:46
  isn't
• 10:46
  right,
• 10:47
  or
• 10:47
  hey,
• 10:47
  this
• 10:47
  hurts
• 10:47
  me,
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  have
• 10:49
  the
• 10:50
  opportunity
• 10:50
  to
• 10:51
  help
• 10:51
  fix
• 10:51
  it
• 10:51
  and
• 10:52
  repair
• 10:52
  our
• 10:52
  relationship
• 10:53
  or
• 10:53
  improve
• 10:54
  an
• 10:54
  experience.
• 10:55
  But
• 10:56
  it
• 10:56
  is
• 10:57
  challenging
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  think
• 10:58
  of
• 10:59
  everyone
• 11:01
  because
• 11:01
  everyone
• 11:02
  has
• 11:03
  such
• 11:03
  different
• 11:04
  needs,
• 11:06
  especially
• 11:06
  when
• 11:07
  it
• 11:07
  comes
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  education.
• 11:08
  And
• 11:08
  we're
• 11:08
  working
• 11:08
  with
• 11:09
  so
• 11:09
  many
• 11:10
  rigid
• 11:10
  systems
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  navigating
• 11:13
  around
• 11:13
  those
• 11:14
  can
• 11:14
  also
• 11:14
  be
• 11:15
  Herculean
• 11:16
  at
• 11:16
  times.
• 11:18
  So
• 11:18
  it's
• 11:18
  a
• 11:19
  big
• 11:19
  topic.
• 11:20
  It
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  a
• 11:21
  big
• 11:21
  topic.
• 11:21
  I
• 11:22
  think
• 11:22
  it's
• 11:22
  an
• 11:22
  important
• 11:22
  topic
• 11:23
  when
• 11:23
  we
• 11:24
  connect
• 11:24
  that
• 11:24
  to
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  theme
• 11:26
  of
• 11:26
  this
• 11:26
  season,
• 11:27
  Cultivating
• 11:27
  hope
• 11:28
  or
• 11:28
  killing
• 11:28
  dreams.
• 11:29
  Right?
• 11:30
  Yeah.
• 11:31
  And
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  think,
• 11:31
  Jim,
• 11:31
  one
• 11:31
  of
• 11:32
  the
• 11:32
  significant
• 11:33
  things
• 11:34
  in.
• 11:34
  In
• 11:34
  what
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  said
• 11:35
  was
• 11:35
  that
• 11:36
  willingness
• 11:37
  to.
• 11:38
  To
• 11:38
  listen
• 11:38
  and
• 11:39
  learn
• 11:39
  and
• 11:40
  understanding
• 11:41
  that
• 11:41
  not
• 11:42
  one
• 11:42
  of
• 11:42
  us
• 11:44
  understands
• 11:45
  every
• 11:45
  step,
• 11:46
  right?
• 11:47
  And
• 11:47
  knowing
• 11:48
  that
• 11:48
  there.
• 11:48
  There
• 11:48
  are
• 11:49
  missteps
• 11:49
  and
• 11:49
  there's
• 11:50
  so
• 11:50
  much
• 11:50
  opportunity
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  learn
• 11:52
  and
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  grow
• 11:54
  from
• 11:54
  others.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:56
  that
• 11:56
  willingness
• 11:57
  to
• 11:57
  be
• 11:57
  open
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  vulnerable
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  that
• 12:00
  is
• 12:00
  not
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  trait,
• 12:03
  a
• 12:03
  characteristic
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  everyone
• 12:05
  holds.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:07
  so
• 12:07
  to
• 12:07
  be
• 12:07
  able
• 12:07
  to
• 12:08
  create
• 12:09
  a
• 12:09
  space
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  allows
• 12:10
  for
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  individuals
• 12:12
  that
• 12:13
  whether
• 12:13
  it's
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  parents
• 12:14
  or
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  students,
• 12:15
  that
• 12:16
  they
• 12:16
  know
• 12:17
  that
• 12:17
  it's
• 12:18
  safe
• 12:18
  and
• 12:19
  that
• 12:19
  they
• 12:19
  can
• 12:20
  be
• 12:21
  honest
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  vulnerable
• 12:22
  because
• 12:23
  you've
• 12:23
  created
• 12:24
  that.
• 12:25
  So
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  talk
• 12:25
  a
• 12:25
  little
• 12:26
  bit
• 12:26
  about
• 12:26
  how.
• 12:27
  How
• 12:27
  do
• 12:27
  you
• 12:27
  do
• 12:28
  that?
• 12:28
  How
• 12:28
  do
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  create
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  space
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  allows
• 12:30
  for,
• 12:31
  you
• 12:31
  know,
• 12:31
  that
• 12:32
  equity
• 12:32
  lens
• 12:33
  really
• 12:33
  through
• 12:34
  learning
• 12:35
  and
• 12:35
  understanding
• 12:36
  human
• 12:37
  beings.
• 12:39
  A
• 12:39
  lot
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  it
• 12:40
  is
• 12:41
  taking
• 12:41
  your
• 12:42
  personal
• 12:43
  feelings
• 12:44
  and
• 12:44
  desire
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  be
• 12:45
  good
• 12:45
  or
• 12:45
  right
• 12:46
  out.
• 12:47
  Right.
• 12:47
  Like
• 12:47
  we
• 12:47
  all
• 12:48
  want
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  be,
• 12:48
  right?
• 12:48
  We
• 12:49
  want
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  be
• 12:49
  seen
• 12:49
  as
• 12:50
  good.
• 12:51
  The
• 12:51
  times
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  know
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  I've
• 12:53
  failed,
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  was
• 12:54
  trying
• 12:55
  really
• 12:55
  hard
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  be
• 12:57
  seen
• 12:57
  or
• 12:57
  perceived
• 12:58
  as
• 12:58
  good.
• 13:00
  And
• 13:01
  if
• 13:02
  you're
• 13:02
  messing
• 13:02
  up
• 13:03
  when
• 13:03
  it
• 13:03
  comes
• 13:03
  to
• 13:03
  equity,
• 13:04
  that's
• 13:04
  not
• 13:04
  how
• 13:04
  someone's
• 13:05
  going
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  see
• 13:05
  you.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:06
  so
• 13:07
  taking
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  away.
• 13:08
  Right.
• 13:08
  The
• 13:08
  times
• 13:09
  that
• 13:09
  I've
• 13:09
  had
• 13:09
  really
• 13:10
  good
• 13:10
  success
• 13:11
  when
• 13:14
  it
• 13:14
  requires
• 13:15
  some
• 13:15
  vulnerability
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  say,
• 13:17
  I
• 13:17
  don't
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:19
  I
• 13:20
  don't
• 13:20
  understand,
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  want
• 13:22
  to.
• 13:24
  Would
• 13:24
  you
• 13:25
  do
• 13:25
  me
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  honor
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  telling
• 13:26
  me?
• 13:27
  Because,
• 13:28
  you
• 13:28
  know,
• 13:28
  it's
• 13:29
  not
• 13:29
  everyone's
• 13:29
  job
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  educate
• 13:30
  us.
• 13:31
  But
• 13:31
  it
• 13:31
  is
• 13:32
  an
• 13:32
  honor
• 13:32
  when
• 13:33
  someone
• 13:33
  is
• 13:33
  willing
• 13:34
  to.
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  think
• 13:36
  back
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  the
• 13:37
  time
• 13:37
  I
• 13:37
  was
• 13:37
  working.
• 13:38
  We
• 13:38
  had
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  gender
• 13:39
  inclusive
• 13:39
  living
• 13:40
  experience,
• 13:40
  which
• 13:41
  is
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  wonderful
• 13:43
  learning,
• 13:43
  living,
• 13:44
  learning
• 13:44
  community.
• 13:46
  But
• 13:47
  from
• 13:48
  an
• 13:48
  organizational
• 13:49
  level,
• 13:50
  we
• 13:50
  were
• 13:50
  not
• 13:50
  serving
• 13:51
  those
• 13:52
  students.
• 13:52
  A
• 13:53
  lot
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  those
• 13:53
  students
• 13:53
  were
• 13:54
  angry
• 13:54
  about
• 13:55
  how
• 13:55
  it
• 13:55
  was
• 13:56
  set
• 13:56
  up,
• 13:56
  what
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  experience
• 13:57
  had
• 13:58
  looked
• 13:58
  like.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  the
• 14:00
  resident
• 14:00
  assistant
• 14:01
  who
• 14:01
  was
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  charge
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  that
• 14:02
  experience
• 14:02
  was
• 14:04
  ready
• 14:04
  to
• 14:04
  fight
• 14:05
  combative
• 14:06
  almost
• 14:06
  toward
• 14:08
  leadership,
• 14:09
  toward
• 14:09
  any,
• 14:10
  any
• 14:10
  staff.
• 14:11
  Because
• 14:13
  even
• 14:14
  before
• 14:14
  I'd
• 14:14
  gotten
• 14:14
  there,
• 14:15
  people
• 14:15
  had
• 14:15
  been
• 14:15
  getting
• 14:16
  it
• 14:16
  wrong.
• 14:16
  And
• 14:17
  they
• 14:17
  knew
• 14:17
  what
• 14:18
  those
• 14:19
  students
• 14:19
  wanted
• 14:20
  because
• 14:20
  they're
• 14:20
  one
• 14:20
  of
• 14:21
  them.
• 14:22
  And
• 14:22
  it
• 14:23
  took
• 14:23
  probably
• 14:23
  an
• 14:24
  entire
• 14:24
  year
• 14:24
  to
• 14:25
  win
• 14:25
  that
• 14:25
  student's
• 14:26
  trust
• 14:27
  through
• 14:28
  lots
• 14:28
  of
• 14:28
  mistakes,
• 14:30
  lots
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  apologies,
• 14:32
  and
• 14:32
  lots
• 14:32
  of
• 14:32
  me
• 14:33
  shutting
• 14:33
  up
• 14:33
  and
• 14:34
  being
• 14:34
  like,
• 14:34
  well,
• 14:34
  what
• 14:34
  do
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  want
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  do?
• 14:36
  And
• 14:36
  how
• 14:36
  can
• 14:36
  we
• 14:37
  take
• 14:37
  what
• 14:37
  you
• 14:37
  want
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  do
• 14:38
  and
• 14:38
  fit
• 14:38
  it
• 14:39
  into
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  rules
• 14:40
  that
• 14:40
  are
• 14:40
  in
• 14:40
  place?
• 14:41
  Because
• 14:41
  those
• 14:42
  rules
• 14:42
  are
• 14:43
  very
• 14:43
  rigid.
• 14:45
  And
• 14:45
  we
• 14:46
  tried
• 14:46
  a
• 14:46
  lot
• 14:46
  of
• 14:46
  things
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  messed
• 14:48
  up
• 14:48
  a
• 14:48
  few
• 14:48
  times,
• 14:49
  but
• 14:49
  ultimately
• 14:51
  I
• 14:51
  listened.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:53
  that
• 14:53
  was
• 14:54
  one
• 14:54
  of
• 14:54
  my
• 14:54
  successes
• 14:55
  where
• 14:55
  I,
• 14:55
  early
• 14:56
  on
• 14:56
  wanted
• 14:56
  so
• 14:57
  badly
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  be
• 14:59
  seen
• 14:59
  as
• 15:00
  an
• 15:00
  ally,
• 15:01
  and
• 15:02
  that
• 15:02
  wasn't
• 15:02
  helping.
• 15:06
  So
• 15:06
  it's
• 15:06
  an
• 15:06
  equity
• 15:07
  conversation.
• 15:08
  So,
• 15:08
  you
• 15:08
  know,
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  have
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  jump
• 15:09
  in
• 15:09
  early.
• 15:10
  Real
• 15:10
  quick,
• 15:11
  Jim.
• 15:11
  I
• 15:11
  picked
• 15:12
  up,
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  as
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  were
• 15:13
  saying,
• 15:14
  vulnerability,
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  literally
• 15:16
  jotted
• 15:16
  it
• 15:17
  down
• 15:17
  on
• 15:17
  my
• 15:17
  pad
• 15:17
  at
• 15:17
  the
• 15:18
  same
• 15:18
  time.
• 15:18
  So
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  was
• 15:19
  like,
• 15:19
  oh,
• 15:19
  man,
• 15:19
  he
• 15:20
  and
• 15:20
  I
• 15:20
  are
• 15:20
  really
• 15:20
  in
• 15:21
  sync.
• 15:22
  But
• 15:23
  I
• 15:23
  also
• 15:23
  want
• 15:24
  to,
• 15:24
  as
• 15:24
  someone
• 15:25
  who
• 15:25
  now
• 15:25
  works
• 15:25
  in
• 15:26
  higher
• 15:26
  ed
• 15:26
  space,
• 15:27
  I
• 15:27
  also
• 15:27
  wanted
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  really
• 15:29
  lift
• 15:29
  your
• 15:29
  idea
• 15:30
  and
• 15:30
  ask
• 15:31
  you
• 15:31
  to
• 15:32
  really
• 15:32
  unpack
• 15:33
  that
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  bit
• 15:33
  more
• 15:34
  about
• 15:35
  the
• 15:35
  damage
• 15:36
  of
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  optics,
• 15:37
  to
• 15:38
  say
• 15:38
  that
• 15:39
  we
• 15:39
  are
• 15:40
  doing
• 15:40
  it,
• 15:41
  but
• 15:41
  we're
• 15:42
  still
• 15:42
  in
• 15:42
  a
• 15:43
  very
• 15:43
  rigid,
• 15:44
  great
• 15:45
  term,
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  very
• 15:46
  rigid
• 15:47
  term
• 15:48
  system
• 15:49
  that
• 15:50
  translate
• 15:51
  translates
• 15:52
  into
• 15:52
  more
• 15:52
  of
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  same.
• 15:54
  Yet
• 15:54
  the
• 15:55
  optics,
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  broad
• 15:58
  brush,
• 15:58
  the
• 15:59
  superficial
• 16:00
  paint,
• 16:00
  looks
• 16:01
  really
• 16:01
  good.
• 16:02
  So
• 16:03
  if
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  can
• 16:03
  really
• 16:04
  deep
• 16:04
  dive
• 16:04
  that
• 16:05
  and
• 16:07
  maybe
• 16:08
  through
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  discussion
• 16:11
  around
• 16:11
  authentic
• 16:12
  engagement
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  importance
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  that,
• 16:15
  live
• 16:16
  some
• 16:16
  ideas
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  how
• 16:18
  we
• 16:18
  can
• 16:18
  overcome
• 16:19
  and
• 16:19
  remove
• 16:20
  some
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  these
• 16:20
  barriers.
• 16:22
  Yeah.
• 16:23
  Oh,
• 16:24
  geez.
• 16:25
  A
• 16:25
  huge
• 16:26
  question,
• 16:26
  right?
• 16:27
  But
• 16:29
  systems
• 16:30
  are
• 16:30
  big.
• 16:31
  Systems
• 16:32
  are
• 16:32
  overarching,
• 16:34
  and
• 16:36
  people
• 16:40
  don't
• 16:41
  fit
• 16:41
  these
• 16:41
  big
• 16:42
  concepts
• 16:43
  easily.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:44
  so
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  said
• 16:45
  earlier,
• 16:46
  in
• 16:46
  a
• 16:47
  perfect
• 16:47
  world,
• 16:47
  we
• 16:47
  would
• 16:48
  be
• 16:48
  able
• 16:48
  to
• 16:49
  build
• 16:50
  a
• 16:50
  relationship
• 16:51
  with
• 16:52
  every
• 16:52
  person.
• 16:54
  And
• 16:55
  when
• 16:56
  you
• 16:56
  build
• 16:56
  those
• 16:56
  relationships,
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  foster
• 16:59
  vulnerability,
• 17:00
  you
• 17:00
  foster
• 17:01
  trust.
• 17:02
  People
• 17:03
  feel
• 17:03
  safe
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  say
• 17:04
  what
• 17:04
  they
• 17:05
  need,
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  in
• 17:07
  some
• 17:07
  cases,
• 17:08
  what
• 17:08
  they
• 17:08
  need
• 17:09
  doesn't
• 17:10
  work
• 17:10
  within
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  systems
• 17:11
  we
• 17:11
  have.
• 17:12
  And
• 17:12
  maybe
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  have
• 17:12
  to
• 17:13
  break
• 17:13
  some
• 17:13
  rules,
• 17:15
  Maybe
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  have
• 17:16
  to
• 17:16
  advocate
• 17:17
  for
• 17:17
  changing
• 17:17
  some
• 17:17
  rules.
• 17:18
  Right?
• 17:19
  It's
• 17:19
  not
• 17:19
  just
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  relationship
• 17:21
  there.
• 17:21
  There
• 17:21
  is
• 17:22
  an
• 17:22
  obligation
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  try
• 17:24
  to
• 17:24
  affect
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  system.
• 17:28
  But
• 17:28
  I.
• 17:29
  I
• 17:29
  do
• 17:30
  onboarding
• 17:31
  for
• 17:31
  new
• 17:31
  students
• 17:32
  at
• 17:32
  my
• 17:32
  school.
• 17:32
  And
• 17:32
  oh,
• 17:33
  my
• 17:33
  gosh,
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  barriers
• 17:34
  that
• 17:34
  folks
• 17:36
  experience,
• 17:37
  you
• 17:38
  know,
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  lot
• 17:38
  of
• 17:38
  it
• 17:38
  is
• 17:39
  access
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  technology.
• 17:42
  And
• 17:42
  they
• 17:42
  don't
• 17:43
  tell
• 17:43
  us
• 17:43
  that
• 17:44
  they
• 17:44
  don't
• 17:44
  know
• 17:44
  how
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  check
• 17:45
  their
• 17:45
  email
• 17:46
  because
• 17:46
  they
• 17:46
  don't
• 17:46
  trust
• 17:47
  educators.
• 17:49
  And
• 17:50
  when
• 17:51
  we're
• 17:51
  able
• 17:51
  to
• 17:51
  have
• 17:52
  conversations
• 17:53
  and
• 17:54
  people
• 17:54
  are
• 17:54
  embarrassed
• 17:54
  about
• 17:55
  what
• 17:55
  they
• 17:55
  don't
• 17:55
  know
• 17:55
  or
• 17:56
  what
• 17:56
  they
• 17:56
  have
• 17:56
  difficulty
• 17:57
  with.
• 17:57
  And
• 17:57
  so
• 17:57
  there's
• 17:58
  a
• 17:58
  lot
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  personal
• 18:01
  stuff
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  get
• 18:03
  past
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  build
• 18:04
  that
• 18:04
  trust
• 18:04
  in
• 18:04
  so
• 18:05
  many
• 18:05
  cases
• 18:05
  that
• 18:07
  until
• 18:07
  we
• 18:08
  build
• 18:08
  those
• 18:08
  relationships
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  know
• 18:09
  better,
• 18:10
  it
• 18:11
  makes
• 18:11
  it
• 18:11
  impossible
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  do
• 18:12
  better.
• 18:14
  And
• 18:15
  we
• 18:15
  can
• 18:16
  shout
• 18:16
  all
• 18:16
  day
• 18:16
  long,
• 18:17
  yeah,
• 18:17
  we
• 18:18
  value
• 18:18
  equity.
• 18:19
  We
• 18:20
  value
• 18:20
  inclusion.
• 18:22
  That's
• 18:22
  wonderful.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  people
• 18:23
  should
• 18:23
  hear
• 18:24
  that.
• 18:24
  But
• 18:25
  if
• 18:25
  you're
• 18:25
  not
• 18:25
  backing
• 18:25
  it
• 18:26
  up,
• 18:26
  it's
• 18:27
  so
• 18:28
  obvious.
• 18:29
  It
• 18:30
  is
• 18:30
  so
• 18:30
  obvious.
• 18:31
  If
• 18:31
  you
• 18:31
  care
• 18:31
  about
• 18:32
  that
• 18:32
  on
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  personal
• 18:33
  level
• 18:33
  or
• 18:33
  not.
• 18:35
  I'm.
• 18:36
  I'm
• 18:36
  just
• 18:37
  letting
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  land.
• 18:41
  So,
• 18:42
  Jim,
• 18:44
  in
• 18:44
  your
• 18:44
  prior
• 18:45
  comment,
• 18:45
  it
• 18:46
  sounded
• 18:46
  to
• 18:46
  me
• 18:47
  like
• 18:47
  what
• 18:48
  ended
• 18:48
  up
• 18:48
  changing
• 18:49
  things
• 18:49
  when
• 18:49
  you
• 18:50
  were
• 18:50
  at
• 18:51
  U
• 18:51
  of
• 18:51
  M
• 18:52
  and
• 18:53
  working
• 18:53
  with
• 18:55
  the
• 18:55
  all
• 18:55
  gender
• 18:58
  resonance
• 18:59
  situation,
• 19:00
  that
• 19:00
  when
• 19:01
  you
• 19:01
  got
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  point
• 19:02
  of
• 19:03
  saying,
• 19:04
  tell
• 19:04
  me
• 19:04
  what
• 19:04
  you
• 19:05
  believe
• 19:05
  needs
• 19:05
  to
• 19:06
  happen,
• 19:08
  that
• 19:08
  that
• 19:08
  was
• 19:10
  a
• 19:10
  sea
• 19:10
  change
• 19:11
  for
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  conversation.
• 19:12
  Is
• 19:12
  that
• 19:12
  right?
• 19:14
  I
• 19:15
  think
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  came
• 19:16
  after
• 19:17
  some
• 19:18
  personal
• 19:19
  relational
• 19:20
  pieces.
• 19:23
  This
• 19:24
  RA
• 19:25
  flat
• 19:25
  out
• 19:25
  told
• 19:26
  me,
• 19:26
  you're
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  white
• 19:27
  gay
• 19:27
  man.
• 19:28
  I
• 19:28
  don't
• 19:28
  trust
• 19:29
  you.
• 19:29
  Like,
• 19:30
  to
• 19:31
  my
• 19:31
  faith,
• 19:31
  which
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  was
• 19:32
  like,
• 19:33
  oh,
• 19:33
  my
• 19:33
  gosh.
• 19:33
  And
• 19:34
  that
• 19:35
  hurt.
• 19:36
  Like,
• 19:36
  that's
• 19:37
  a
• 19:37
  huge
• 19:37
  core
• 19:37
  part
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  my
• 19:38
  identity.
• 19:38
  And
• 19:38
  I
• 19:39
  was
• 19:39
  like,
• 19:39
  but
• 19:40
  I'm
• 19:40
  good
• 19:41
  and
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  care.
• 19:42
  And
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  want
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  to
• 19:43
  know
• 19:43
  that
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  care.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  was
• 19:45
  maybe
• 19:46
  my
• 19:46
  biggest
• 19:46
  lesson.
• 19:48
  It
• 19:48
  did
• 19:48
  not
• 19:48
  matter
• 19:49
  what
• 19:49
  my
• 19:49
  intentions
• 19:50
  were.
• 19:50
  Right.
• 19:51
  It
• 19:51
  just
• 19:51
  didn't.
• 19:52
  I
• 19:53
  had
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  take
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  time
• 19:54
  to
• 19:55
  show
• 19:56
  rather
• 19:57
  than.
• 19:58
  And
• 19:58
  that
• 19:58
  goes
• 19:58
  back
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  painting
• 19:59
  with
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  broad
• 20:00
  brush.
• 20:00
  Right?
• 20:00
  We
• 20:00
  can
• 20:01
  say
• 20:01
  all
• 20:01
  we
• 20:02
  want,
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  we
• 20:02
  care
• 20:02
  and
• 20:03
  we
• 20:03
  want
• 20:03
  to
• 20:03
  do
• 20:03
  good
• 20:04
  things
• 20:05
  until
• 20:05
  we
• 20:05
  show
• 20:06
  people
• 20:07
  that
• 20:08
  we're
• 20:08
  willing
• 20:08
  to
• 20:09
  listen
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  that
• 20:10
  we
• 20:10
  will
• 20:11
  follow
• 20:11
  through
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  something
• 20:13
  about
• 20:13
  what
• 20:13
  we
• 20:13
  hear.
• 20:14
  Because
• 20:14
  it's
• 20:14
  also
• 20:14
  one
• 20:15
  thing
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  say,
• 20:15
  oh,
• 20:15
  wow,
• 20:15
  that's
• 20:16
  really
• 20:16
  hard.
• 20:17
  I'm
• 20:17
  sorry,
• 20:18
  and
• 20:18
  then
• 20:19
  do
• 20:19
  nothing.
• 20:20
  That
• 20:20
  doesn't
• 20:21
  advance
• 20:21
  anything
• 20:22
  for
• 20:22
  anyone.
• 20:24
  You
• 20:24
  know,
• 20:25
  I'm
• 20:25
  so
• 20:25
  grateful
• 20:25
  that
• 20:26
  you.
• 20:26
  You
• 20:26
  slowed
• 20:26
  that
• 20:27
  down
• 20:27
  and
• 20:27
  then
• 20:28
  you
• 20:28
  just
• 20:28
  zoomed
• 20:28
  in
• 20:29
  a
• 20:29
  little
• 20:29
  bit.
• 20:31
  Because
• 20:31
  it
• 20:32
  wasn't
• 20:32
  that
• 20:32
  moment.
• 20:33
  That
• 20:33
  was
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  sea
• 20:34
  change.
• 20:35
  It
• 20:35
  was
• 20:36
  the
• 20:37
  sea
• 20:37
  change
• 20:37
  that
• 20:38
  happened
• 20:38
  in
• 20:38
  you
• 20:39
  when
• 20:39
  you
• 20:39
  understood.
• 20:41
  It's
• 20:41
  not
• 20:41
  you,
• 20:42
  Jim,
• 20:42
  that
• 20:43
  I'm
• 20:43
  objecting
• 20:44
  to
• 20:44
  as
• 20:44
  a
• 20:44
  human
• 20:45
  being.
• 20:45
  And
• 20:45
  your
• 20:46
  lack
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  goodness
• 20:47
  it's
• 20:47
  your
• 20:48
  lack
• 20:48
  of
• 20:49
  perspective
• 20:50
  and
• 20:51
  lived
• 20:52
  experience
• 20:53
  that
• 20:53
  is
• 20:54
  unhelpful
• 20:54
  in
• 20:54
  this
• 20:55
  moment.
• 20:56
  Right.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  to
• 20:58
  me
• 20:58
  is
• 20:58
  the
• 20:59
  thing
• 20:59
  that
• 20:59
  we
• 21:00
  step
• 21:00
  over
• 21:01
  so
• 21:01
  much
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  time
• 21:02
  if
• 21:02
  we're
• 21:03
  coming
• 21:03
  from
• 21:03
  an
• 21:04
  outside
• 21:05
  orientation
• 21:06
  and
• 21:07
  we're
• 21:07
  being
• 21:07
  asked
• 21:08
  permission
• 21:08
  into
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  conversation
• 21:10
  and
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  work.
• 21:12
  You
• 21:13
  know,
• 21:13
  I
• 21:14
  just,
• 21:15
  I
• 21:16
  feel
• 21:16
  like
• 21:16
  when
• 21:16
  we,
• 21:17
  when
• 21:18
  we
• 21:18
  start
• 21:18
  from
• 21:18
  that
• 21:19
  point
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  view,
• 21:20
  then
• 21:20
  we
• 21:20
  begin
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  realize,
• 21:22
  hey,
• 21:23
  if
• 21:23
  we
• 21:24
  want
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  have
• 21:24
  a
• 21:24
  conversation,
• 21:26
  maybe
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  first
• 21:27
  question
• 21:27
  among
• 21:28
  several
• 21:28
  first
• 21:28
  questions
• 21:29
  that
• 21:30
  we
• 21:30
  can
• 21:30
  contribute
• 21:31
  is
• 21:31
  what's
• 21:31
  keeping
• 21:32
  people
• 21:32
  silent
• 21:33
  right
• 21:33
  now?
• 21:36
  And
• 21:36
  your
• 21:37
  comment
• 21:37
  about
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  shame
• 21:39
  so
• 21:39
  many
• 21:40
  of
• 21:41
  our
• 21:42
  families
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  students
• 21:43
  feel
• 21:44
  around
• 21:44
  things
• 21:45
  that
• 21:45
  my
• 21:46
  privilege
• 21:46
  allows
• 21:47
  me
• 21:47
  to
• 21:47
  look
• 21:47
  past,
• 21:49
  that
• 21:50
  keeps
• 21:50
  them
• 21:50
  silent,
• 21:52
  that
• 21:52
  keeps
• 21:52
  them
• 21:53
  not
• 21:53
  able
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  engage.
• 21:56
  And
• 21:56
  so
• 21:57
  it's
• 21:57
  one
• 21:57
  thing
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  say,
• 21:58
  yes,
• 21:58
  I'm
• 21:58
  committed
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  equity,
• 21:59
  but
• 21:59
  it
• 22:00
  sounds
• 22:00
  like
• 22:00
  what
• 22:00
  you're
• 22:00
  asking
• 22:01
  us
• 22:01
  to
• 22:01
  do
• 22:02
  is
• 22:02
  that's
• 22:03
  just
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  door
• 22:04
  handle
• 22:06
  when
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  want
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  walk
• 22:08
  through
• 22:08
  that
• 22:08
  threshold.
• 22:09
  Here
• 22:10
  are
• 22:10
  several
• 22:11
  things
• 22:11
  that
• 22:11
  require
• 22:12
  our
• 22:12
  sensitivity
• 22:13
  and
• 22:14
  attention
• 22:14
  from
• 22:14
  the
• 22:15
  get
• 22:15
  go
• 22:15
  in
• 22:16
  order
• 22:16
  for
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  equity
• 22:17
  conversation
• 22:17
  to
• 22:18
  even
• 22:18
  begin.
• 22:19
  So
• 22:20
  Michael,
• 22:20
  I
• 22:20
  would
• 22:20
  say
• 22:21
  that
• 22:22
  we
• 22:23
  could
• 22:23
  level
• 22:23
  that
• 22:24
  up.
• 22:24
  Right.
• 22:25
  So
• 22:25
  what
• 22:25
  I'm
• 22:25
  hearing
• 22:25
  Jim
• 22:26
  saying
• 22:26
  is
• 22:26
  it's
• 22:27
  not
• 22:27
  only
• 22:27
  relationship.
• 22:28
  I
• 22:29
  heard
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  term
• 22:30
  allyship
• 22:30
  used
• 22:31
  and
• 22:31
  that's
• 22:32
  a
• 22:33
  strong
• 22:33
  construct.
• 22:34
  Right.
• 22:35
  It's,
• 22:35
  it's.
• 22:36
  I'm
• 22:37
  going
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  take
• 22:37
  my
• 22:38
  inherited
• 22:38
  privilege
• 22:39
  out
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  the
• 22:40
  space
• 22:40
  because
• 22:41
  relationship
• 22:42
  and
• 22:43
  allyship
• 22:43
  is
• 22:44
  not
• 22:44
  self
• 22:44
  proclaimed.
• 22:45
  They
• 22:46
  have
• 22:46
  to
• 22:46
  be
• 22:47
  earned.
• 22:47
  And
• 22:47
  we're
• 22:48
  going
• 22:48
  to
• 22:48
  come
• 22:49
  and
• 22:49
  co
• 22:49
  create
• 22:50
  that
• 22:50
  energy
• 22:50
  together
• 22:51
  so
• 22:52
  that
• 22:52
  we
• 22:52
  can
• 22:52
  move
• 22:53
  forward
• 22:53
  collaboratively.
• 22:54
  Jim,
• 22:54
  I'd
• 22:55
  like
• 22:55
  to
• 22:55
  hear
• 22:55
  your
• 22:55
  response
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  that
• 22:56
  because
• 22:57
  those
• 22:57
  are
• 22:57
  my
• 22:58
  thoughts
• 22:58
  and
• 22:58
  my
• 22:58
  studies
• 22:59
  and
• 22:59
  my
• 22:59
  own
• 23:00
  lived
• 23:00
  experiences
• 23:01
  around
• 23:01
  that.
• 23:02
  So
• 23:02
  if
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  could
• 23:03
  lean
• 23:03
  into
• 23:03
  that,
• 23:03
  I'd
• 23:04
  greatly
• 23:04
  appreciate
• 23:04
  that.
• 23:05
  Oh
• 23:06
  absolutely.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:08
  yeah,
• 23:08
  I
• 23:09
  can't
• 23:09
  claim
• 23:09
  to
• 23:10
  be
• 23:10
  an
• 23:10
  ally
• 23:10
  to
• 23:11
  any,
• 23:11
  any
• 23:12
  identity
• 23:12
  or
• 23:13
  community.
• 23:14
  I
• 23:15
  can
• 23:15
  try
• 23:15
  to
• 23:16
  be
• 23:16
  right.
• 23:17
  We,
• 23:17
  we
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  aim
• 23:19
  to
• 23:20
  ally
• 23:20
  ourselves.
• 23:21
  Verb
• 23:22
  right.
• 23:22
  To,
• 23:23
  to
• 23:24
  be
• 23:24
  an
• 23:24
  ally
• 23:25
  is
• 23:25
  like
• 23:25
  taking
• 23:25
  on
• 23:26
  an
• 23:26
  identity
• 23:27
  and
• 23:28
  we
• 23:29
  don't
• 23:29
  get
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  decide
• 23:30
  that
• 23:30
  for
• 23:30
  ourselves.
• 23:31
  And
• 23:31
  even,
• 23:31
  you
• 23:32
  know,
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  may
• 23:32
  have
• 23:32
  made
• 23:33
  inroads
• 23:33
  with,
• 23:34
  with
• 23:34
  that
• 23:34
  one
• 23:35
  resident
• 23:36
  assistant
• 23:37
  that
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  mentioned
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  that
• 23:38
  community
• 23:39
  there
• 23:40
  and
• 23:40
  those
• 23:41
  people.
• 23:42
  That
• 23:42
  does
• 23:42
  not
• 23:42
  mean
• 23:43
  that
• 23:43
  I
• 23:44
  get
• 23:44
  to
• 23:45
  claim
• 23:45
  I'm
• 23:45
  an
• 23:46
  ally
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  the
• 23:47
  trans
• 23:47
  or
• 23:47
  non
• 23:48
  binary
• 23:48
  community
• 23:50
  unilaterally.
• 23:51
  Right.
• 23:53
  I
• 23:53
  learned
• 23:53
  a
• 23:53
  lot
• 23:54
  that
• 23:54
  helps
• 23:54
  me
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  ally
• 23:55
  better
• 23:56
  verb,
• 23:57
  but
• 23:57
  not
• 23:58
  as
• 23:58
  a
• 23:58
  noun.
• 23:59
  Right.
• 23:59
  And
• 23:59
  so
• 24:02
  there's
• 24:02
  another
• 24:03
  thought
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  had
• 24:03
  too
• 24:04
  about
• 24:04
  shame
• 24:05
  that
• 24:06
  ties
• 24:06
  into
• 24:07
  allyship.
• 24:08
  To
• 24:10
  ally
• 24:10
  yourselves
• 24:11
  with
• 24:11
  people,
• 24:11
  you
• 24:12
  have
• 24:12
  to
• 24:13
  work
• 24:14
  on
• 24:14
  your
• 24:14
  own
• 24:14
  shame
• 24:15
  around
• 24:16
  your
• 24:16
  own
• 24:16
  privilege.
• 24:18
  Right.
• 24:18
  That's
• 24:19
  that
• 24:19
  fear
• 24:19
  of
• 24:19
  being
• 24:20
  good.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:23
  I
• 24:24
  think
• 24:24
  it
• 24:24
  is
• 24:24
  very
• 24:25
  common
• 24:25
  for
• 24:26
  people
• 24:26
  to
• 24:27
  feel
• 24:27
  ashamed
• 24:28
  of
• 24:28
  privilege
• 24:30
  because
• 24:30
  we
• 24:30
  didn't
• 24:30
  earn
• 24:31
  it.
• 24:32
  We
• 24:33
  didn't
• 24:33
  necessarily
• 24:33
  ask
• 24:34
  for
• 24:34
  it
• 24:34
  in
• 24:35
  most
• 24:35
  cases.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:37
  it's
• 24:38
  natural
• 24:38
  to
• 24:38
  feel
• 24:39
  badly
• 24:39
  about
• 24:39
  that
• 24:40
  and
• 24:41
  to
• 24:41
  want
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  look
• 24:42
  and
• 24:43
  feel
• 24:43
  good
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  say,
• 24:44
  no,
• 24:44
  but
• 24:44
  I
• 24:44
  care
• 24:45
  about
• 24:47
  X,
• 24:47
  Y
• 24:47
  and
• 24:48
  Z
• 24:48
  identity,
• 24:49
  about,
• 24:50
  you
• 24:50
  know,
• 24:50
  others
• 24:51
  who
• 24:52
  don't
• 24:52
  have
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  same
• 24:53
  privilege.
• 24:55
  And
• 24:55
  that,
• 24:55
  like,
• 24:55
  you
• 24:56
  know,
• 24:56
  that's
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  painting
• 24:57
  on
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  building,
• 24:58
  but
• 24:58
  not
• 25:00
  the
• 25:01
  internal
• 25:02
  structure
• 25:03
  at
• 25:03
  all.
• 25:04
  And
• 25:04
  so
• 25:05
  to
• 25:06
  ally
• 25:07
  is
• 25:07
  to
• 25:08
  do
• 25:08
  the
• 25:08
  work
• 25:08
  on
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  inside
• 25:09
  of
• 25:09
  the
• 25:09
  building,
• 25:11
  essentially.
• 25:12
  Right.
• 25:13
  Use
• 25:13
  the
• 25:14
  loose
• 25:14
  building
• 25:14
  analogy.
• 25:15
  Yeah.
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  was.
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  was
• 25:16
  thinking
• 25:17
  that
• 25:17
  about,
• 25:18
  you
• 25:19
  know,
• 25:19
  I
• 25:19
  can
• 25:19
  put
• 25:19
  a
• 25:19
  pin
• 25:20
  on
• 25:20
  my.
• 25:21
  My
• 25:21
  shirt.
• 25:21
  Right.
• 25:22
  That
• 25:22
  says
• 25:23
  that
• 25:23
  I'm
• 25:23
  a
• 25:24
  safe
• 25:24
  space,
• 25:24
  and
• 25:26
  that's
• 25:26
  important.
• 25:27
  Absolutely.
• 25:29
  But
• 25:29
  that
• 25:30
  alone,
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  know,
• 25:31
  the
• 25:31
  painting
• 25:32
  on
• 25:32
  the
• 25:32
  building,
• 25:32
  the
• 25:32
  pin
• 25:33
  on
• 25:33
  my
• 25:33
  shirt
• 25:35
  doesn't.
• 25:38
  Doesn't.
• 25:39
  Doesn't
• 25:40
  mean
• 25:41
  anything.
• 25:42
  It's
• 25:42
  the.
• 25:42
  The
• 25:43
  doorknob,
• 25:43
  as
• 25:43
  Michael
• 25:44
  said,
• 25:44
  like,
• 25:45
  that's
• 25:45
  the
• 25:45
  entry
• 25:46
  point
• 25:46
  to
• 25:46
  what
• 25:46
  that
• 25:47
  looks
• 25:47
  like,
• 25:48
  but
• 25:48
  who
• 25:48
  I
• 25:49
  am
• 25:50
  at
• 25:50
  my
• 25:50
  core
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  how
• 25:52
  I
• 25:52
  am
• 25:53
  willing
• 25:53
  to
• 25:54
  engage
• 25:54
  with
• 25:55
  other
• 25:55
  humans
• 25:57
  and
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  learn.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  think
• 25:58
  about
• 25:59
  so
• 25:59
  many
• 26:00
  conversations
• 26:00
  that
• 26:01
  Grant
• 26:01
  and
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  have
• 26:02
  had
• 26:02
  over
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  years
• 26:03
  because
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  our
• 26:04
  friendship.
• 26:05
  I.
• 26:06
  I've
• 26:06
  been
• 26:07
  able.
• 26:08
  Not
• 26:08
  from
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  beginning,
• 26:10
  didn't
• 26:10
  feel
• 26:10
  like
• 26:11
  that,
• 26:12
  but
• 26:12
  growing
• 26:13
  and
• 26:14
  learning
• 26:15
  in
• 26:15
  his
• 26:15
  willingness
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  help
• 26:17
  me
• 26:17
  understand
• 26:19
  him,
• 26:20
  his
• 26:20
  community,
• 26:21
  all
• 26:21
  of
• 26:22
  these
• 26:22
  pieces,
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  being
• 26:23
  able
• 26:23
  to
• 26:24
  go
• 26:24
  to
• 26:24
  him
• 26:24
  and
• 26:24
  say,
• 26:25
  I
• 26:25
  got
• 26:25
  questions.
• 26:27
  I
• 26:27
  want
• 26:27
  to
• 26:28
  know,
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  want
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  understand,
• 26:30
  and
• 26:31
  I
• 26:31
  don't
• 26:31
  want
• 26:31
  to
• 26:32
  be
• 26:32
  in
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  space
• 26:32
  that
• 26:33
  I'm
• 26:34
  offending
• 26:35
  anyone,
• 26:36
  so
• 26:37
  help
• 26:37
  me.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  that
• 26:39
  relationship
• 26:40
  has
• 26:40
  been
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  key
• 26:42
  to
• 26:42
  that.
• 26:43
  And
• 26:43
  yet
• 26:43
  my
• 26:44
  perspective
• 26:44
  in
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  community
• 26:45
  is
• 26:46
  only
• 26:46
  my
• 26:47
  perspective
• 26:48
  in
• 26:48
  that
• 26:49
  community.
• 26:49
  It
• 26:49
  is
• 26:49
  only
• 26:50
  my
• 26:50
  lived
• 26:51
  experiences.
• 26:52
  Right.
• 26:52
  And
• 26:53
  my
• 26:53
  hopes
• 26:53
  and
• 26:53
  dreams
• 26:54
  for
• 26:54
  that
• 26:54
  community.
• 26:55
  But
• 26:55
  you'll
• 26:56
  get
• 26:56
  a
• 26:56
  lot
• 26:56
  of
• 26:57
  different
• 26:57
  voices
• 26:58
  and
• 26:58
  a
• 26:58
  lot
• 26:59
  of
• 26:59
  different
• 27:00
  stories
• 27:00
  and
• 27:01
  a
• 27:01
  lot
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  different
• 27:04
  points
• 27:04
  of
• 27:05
  view.
• 27:05
  Right.
• 27:06
  The
• 27:06
  more
• 27:06
  you
• 27:07
  engage
• 27:07
  with,
• 27:08
  you
• 27:08
  know,
• 27:08
  other
• 27:08
  members
• 27:09
  of
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  community
• 27:11
  as
• 27:11
  well.
• 27:13
  You
• 27:13
  know,
• 27:13
  Kathy,
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  mentioned
• 27:14
  you
• 27:14
  could
• 27:14
  wear
• 27:15
  a
• 27:15
  pin.
• 27:16
  I'm
• 27:16
  an
• 27:17
  ally.
• 27:17
  Or,
• 27:17
  you
• 27:17
  know,
• 27:17
  I'm
• 27:18
  safe.
• 27:18
  And
• 27:18
  I.
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  have
• 27:20
  found
• 27:21
  in
• 27:21
  my
• 27:21
  own
• 27:21
  experience.
• 27:22
  And
• 27:23
  as.
• 27:24
  As
• 27:25
  a
• 27:25
  gay
• 27:25
  man,
• 27:25
  if
• 27:25
  I'm
• 27:26
  looking
• 27:26
  at
• 27:26
  people
• 27:26
  who
• 27:26
  want
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  be
• 27:27
  an
• 27:27
  ally
• 27:28
  to
• 27:28
  me
• 27:28
  or
• 27:29
  times
• 27:29
  where
• 27:29
  I've
• 27:29
  been
• 27:29
  trying
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  be
• 27:30
  an
• 27:30
  ally
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  others,
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  louder
• 27:32
  you
• 27:33
  claim
• 27:34
  allyship,
• 27:35
  the
• 27:36
  louder
• 27:36
  you
• 27:36
  say,
• 27:36
  I'm
• 27:37
  safe,
• 27:38
  the
• 27:39
  less
• 27:39
  safe
• 27:39
  you
• 27:40
  seem
• 27:40
  to
• 27:41
  be.
• 27:41
  It
• 27:42
  is
• 27:42
  paradoxical
• 27:44
  versus
• 27:45
  the
• 27:45
  times
• 27:45
  where
• 27:46
  someone
• 27:46
  has
• 27:46
  come
• 27:47
  to
• 27:47
  me
• 27:47
  and
• 27:47
  been
• 27:47
  like,
• 27:47
  I
• 27:48
  haven't
• 27:48
  been
• 27:48
  safe
• 27:49
  for
• 27:49
  you,
• 27:50
  or
• 27:51
  when
• 27:52
  they
• 27:52
  acknowledge
• 27:52
  mistakes,
• 27:54
  acknowledge
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  impact
• 27:55
  that
• 27:56
  they've
• 27:56
  had.
• 27:58
  That
• 27:58
  creates
• 27:59
  safety.
• 27:59
  That's
• 28:00
  that
• 28:00
  vulnerability.
• 28:02
  And
• 28:02
  circling
• 28:03
  back
• 28:03
  to,
• 28:04
  we
• 28:04
  can't
• 28:04
  claim
• 28:04
  allyship
• 28:05
  because
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  louder
• 28:06
  we
• 28:06
  do,
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  less
• 28:07
  trustworthy
• 28:07
  we
• 28:08
  seem.
• 28:09
  It's,
• 28:09
  you
• 28:10
  know,
• 28:10
  you
• 28:10
  hear
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  stories
• 28:11
  of
• 28:12
  nice
• 28:12
  guys.
• 28:13
  I'm
• 28:13
  a
• 28:13
  nice
• 28:14
  guy.
• 28:15
  Women
• 28:15
  stay
• 28:15
  away
• 28:16
  from
• 28:16
  those
• 28:16
  men
• 28:17
  almost
• 28:17
  always
• 28:18
  because
• 28:18
  they're
• 28:18
  not
• 28:19
  nice
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  they're
• 28:21
  trying
• 28:21
  too
• 28:21
  hard
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  seem
• 28:23
  safe.
• 28:25
  The
• 28:25
  damaging
• 28:26
  optics.
• 28:27
  Exactly.
• 28:29
  And
• 28:29
  insincerity.
• 28:32
  And
• 28:33
  we
• 28:33
  see
• 28:33
  that
• 28:33
  as
• 28:34
  adults.
• 28:35
  Our
• 28:35
  kids
• 28:36
  see
• 28:36
  that.
• 28:37
  The
• 28:38
  students
• 28:38
  that
• 28:38
  we
• 28:39
  are
• 28:40
  entrusted
• 28:40
  with
• 28:41
  see
• 28:42
  that.
• 28:43
  So
• 28:43
  whether
• 28:43
  that's
• 28:43
  in
• 28:44
  a
• 28:44
  physical
• 28:44
  space,
• 28:45
  that's
• 28:45
  in
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  virtual
• 28:46
  space,
• 28:47
  they
• 28:48
  hear
• 28:48
  it,
• 28:49
  they
• 28:49
  see
• 28:50
  it.
• 28:51
  They
• 28:51
  read
• 28:51
  right
• 28:52
  through
• 28:53
  who
• 28:54
  truly
• 28:55
  is,
• 28:55
  is
• 28:56
  there
• 28:56
  as
• 28:57
  an
• 28:57
  adult
• 28:58
  to
• 28:58
  be
• 28:59
  able
• 28:59
  to
• 28:59
  support
• 28:59
  them
• 29:01
  with
• 29:02
  whomever
• 29:02
  they
• 29:03
  are.
• 29:03
  And
• 29:04
  all
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  those
• 29:05
  layers
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  who
• 29:06
  they
• 29:06
  are
• 29:07
  as
• 29:07
  human
• 29:07
  beings,
• 29:09
  they
• 29:10
  see
• 29:10
  that
• 29:10
  sincerity,
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  they
• 29:12
  see
• 29:13
  for
• 29:13
  sure
• 29:14
  the
• 29:14
  insincerity.
• 29:16
  Oh,
• 29:16
  yeah.
• 29:18
  So
• 29:18
  Grant
• 29:19
  opened
• 29:19
  with
• 29:19
  a
• 29:19
  question.
• 29:20
  Grant,
• 29:21
  could
• 29:21
  you
• 29:21
  repeat
• 29:21
  your
• 29:22
  last
• 29:22
  question?
• 29:23
  Because
• 29:23
  I
• 29:24
  had
• 29:24
  an
• 29:24
  addition
• 29:25
  to
• 29:25
  that,
• 29:25
  and
• 29:25
  I
• 29:26
  think
• 29:26
  we
• 29:26
  can.
• 29:27
  I'd
• 29:28
  love
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  hear
• 29:28
  Jim's
• 29:28
  thought
• 29:29
  on
• 29:29
  this
• 29:29
  one
• 29:29
  as
• 29:29
  well.
• 29:30
  The
• 29:30
  last
• 29:30
  question,
• 29:31
  Grant,
• 29:31
  please.
• 29:32
  The
• 29:32
  last
• 29:33
  question
• 29:33
  was,
• 29:33
  is
• 29:34
  it
• 29:34
  possible
• 29:35
  that
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  specific
• 29:36
  group
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  students
• 29:38
  could
• 29:38
  be
• 29:39
  negatively
• 29:40
  impacted
• 29:41
  by
• 29:41
  this
• 29:41
  decision?
• 29:42
  And
• 29:43
  I
• 29:43
  can't
• 29:44
  see
• 29:44
  it.
• 29:46
  Or
• 29:47
  in
• 29:47
  addition,
• 29:48
  I
• 29:49
  don't
• 29:49
  care.
• 29:50
  Oh,
• 29:50
  that's
• 29:50
  a
• 29:50
  good
• 29:50
  one.
• 29:51
  So
• 29:52
  I
• 29:52
  don't
• 29:53
  see
• 29:53
  it.
• 29:54
  And
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  don't
• 29:55
  care
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  see
• 29:55
  it.
• 29:56
  And
• 29:56
  I
• 29:56
  don't
• 29:56
  care
• 29:56
  because
• 29:57
  I
• 29:57
  don't
• 29:57
  even.
• 29:58
  You
• 29:58
  don't
• 29:58
  even
• 29:59
  matter
• 29:59
  to
• 29:59
  me.
• 30:00
  This
• 30:00
  really
• 30:01
  bridges
• 30:01
  all
• 30:02
  the
• 30:02
  conversations
• 30:03
  we've
• 30:03
  had
• 30:03
  this
• 30:03
  season,
• 30:04
  right.
• 30:05
  Are
• 30:05
  we
• 30:05
  promoting
• 30:06
  and
• 30:06
  cultivating
• 30:06
  hope,
• 30:07
  or
• 30:07
  are
• 30:07
  we
• 30:07
  killing
• 30:08
  dreams?
• 30:09
  And
• 30:10
  I'd
• 30:10
  love
• 30:10
  for
• 30:11
  us
• 30:11
  to
• 30:11
  really
• 30:12
  unpack
• 30:12
  some
• 30:13
  of
• 30:13
  that,
• 30:13
  because
• 30:13
  as
• 30:14
  we
• 30:14
  come,
• 30:15
  you
• 30:15
  know,
• 30:15
  towards,
• 30:16
  you
• 30:17
  know,
• 30:17
  some
• 30:17
  of
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  final
• 30:18
  sessions
• 30:18
  for
• 30:19
  this
• 30:19
  season,
• 30:20
  I
• 30:20
  think
• 30:20
  we're
• 30:21
  getting
• 30:21
  on
• 30:21
  a
• 30:21
  few
• 30:21
  things,
• 30:22
  right?
• 30:22
  We
• 30:22
  know
• 30:23
  it's
• 30:23
  not
• 30:23
  a
• 30:23
  band
• 30:23
  aid
• 30:24
  approach,
• 30:24
  right.
• 30:25
  We
• 30:25
  really
• 30:25
  have
• 30:25
  to
• 30:25
  hit
• 30:26
  those
• 30:26
  root
• 30:26
  causes,
• 30:27
  Right.
• 30:28
  It
• 30:28
  can't
• 30:28
  be
• 30:28
  the
• 30:29
  lipstick
• 30:30
  on
• 30:30
  the
• 30:30
  pig.
• 30:30
  Right.
• 30:31
  It
• 30:31
  can't
• 30:31
  be
• 30:31
  the
• 30:32
  painting.
• 30:33
  Right.
• 30:33
  It
• 30:33
  can't
• 30:34
  be
• 30:34
  the
• 30:34
  pin.
• 30:35
  What
• 30:36
  is
• 30:36
  some
• 30:36
  of
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  deep
• 30:37
  stuff
• 30:37
  there
• 30:38
  that
• 30:38
  we
• 30:38
  really
• 30:39
  need
• 30:39
  to
• 30:40
  sit
• 30:40
  with
• 30:40
  ourselves
• 30:42
  with,
• 30:42
  Right?
• 30:44
  Self
• 30:44
  regulate,
• 30:45
  self
• 30:46
  realize,
• 30:47
  self
• 30:47
  actualize,
• 30:48
  reflect.
• 30:49
  I'd
• 30:50
  love
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  hear
• 30:50
  some
• 30:50
  more
• 30:51
  conversation
• 30:51
  around
• 30:52
  that.
• 30:54
  So
• 30:55
  I'll
• 30:55
  go
• 30:55
  first,
• 30:56
  right?
• 30:56
  Because
• 30:56
  we've
• 30:57
  been
• 30:57
  talking
• 30:57
  a
• 30:58
  lot
• 30:58
  throughout
• 30:59
  this
• 30:59
  entire
• 30:59
  season
• 31:00
  and
• 31:00
  earlier
• 31:01
  seasons
• 31:01
  about
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  power
• 31:03
  of
• 31:03
  asking
• 31:04
  questions,
• 31:06
  and
• 31:07
  I
• 31:07
  think
• 31:07
  that's
• 31:08
  absolutely
• 31:08
  huge.
• 31:09
  And
• 31:09
  I
• 31:10
  know
• 31:10
  that
• 31:10
  in
• 31:11
  powerful
• 31:11
  student
• 31:12
  care,
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  know
• 31:12
  that
• 31:13
  in
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  book
• 31:13
  that
• 31:13
  Alicia
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  Rubin
• 31:14
  wrote,
• 31:15
  there
• 31:15
  are
• 31:16
  this
• 31:16
  idea
• 31:17
  of
• 31:18
  you
• 31:18
  got
• 31:18
  to
• 31:18
  look
• 31:19
  in
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  mirror,
• 31:21
  you
• 31:21
  got
• 31:21
  to
• 31:22
  surface
• 31:22
  your
• 31:23
  own
• 31:23
  mental
• 31:24
  models,
• 31:24
  you
• 31:25
  got
• 31:25
  to
• 31:25
  interrogate
• 31:26
  them,
• 31:26
  you
• 31:27
  got
• 31:27
  to
• 31:27
  think
• 31:27
  about
• 31:28
  what
• 31:28
  your
• 31:28
  actions
• 31:29
  are
• 31:29
  doing
• 31:29
  or
• 31:30
  not
• 31:30
  contributing
• 31:32
  in
• 31:33
  positive
• 31:33
  or
• 31:34
  negative
• 31:34
  ways
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  lives
• 31:35
  of
• 31:36
  students.
• 31:36
  So
• 31:36
  I
• 31:37
  think,
• 31:38
  and
• 31:39
  this
• 31:39
  is
• 31:39
  really
• 31:39
  hard
• 31:39
  for
• 31:40
  educators,
• 31:40
  right?
• 31:40
  I
• 31:40
  think
• 31:41
  it's
• 31:41
  really,
• 31:42
  really
• 31:42
  hard
• 31:43
  to
• 31:44
  look
• 31:44
  in
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  mirror
• 31:46
  and
• 31:46
  to
• 31:46
  think
• 31:47
  about
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  fact
• 31:48
  that
• 31:48
  this
• 31:49
  kid
• 31:49
  might
• 31:49
  be
• 31:50
  struggling
• 31:51
  in
• 31:51
  your
• 31:52
  classroom
• 31:52
  or
• 31:52
  in
• 31:53
  your
• 31:53
  school
• 31:54
  because
• 31:55
  of
• 31:55
  your
• 31:57
  actions,
• 31:58
  that
• 31:59
  it's
• 31:59
  not
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  student
• 32:02
  who's
• 32:02
  struggling
• 32:04
  alone,
• 32:05
  it's
• 32:05
  you
• 32:07
  struggling
• 32:09
  to
• 32:09
  figure
• 32:09
  out
• 32:09
  what
• 32:10
  that
• 32:10
  student
• 32:10
  needs.
• 32:11
  Or
• 32:11
  as
• 32:11
  Alicia
• 32:12
  said
• 32:12
  just
• 32:12
  a
• 32:12
  minute
• 32:12
  ago,
• 32:13
  or
• 32:13
  don't
• 32:13
  care.
• 32:17
  I'm
• 32:17
  reflecting
• 32:18
  on
• 32:18
  your
• 32:18
  question,
• 32:19
  Alicia,
• 32:20
  about,
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  know,
• 32:23
  times
• 32:23
  when
• 32:23
  we
• 32:24
  maybe
• 32:24
  don't
• 32:24
  care,
• 32:25
  right?
• 32:27
  And
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  think
• 32:29
  when
• 32:29
  challenged
• 32:30
  with
• 32:30
  something
• 32:32
  like
• 32:32
  in
• 32:32
  that
• 32:33
  story
• 32:33
  and
• 32:34
  a
• 32:34
  big
• 32:35
  injustice,
• 32:35
  would
• 32:35
  I
• 32:36
  speak
• 32:36
  up
• 32:37
  and
• 32:38
  stand
• 32:38
  against
• 32:38
  it?
• 32:39
  I
• 32:39
  think
• 32:39
  yes.
• 32:41
  However,
• 32:43
  those
• 32:43
  quiet
• 32:44
  day
• 32:44
  to
• 32:44
  day
• 32:45
  moments
• 32:46
  of
• 32:47
  inequity
• 32:50
  aren't
• 32:51
  as
• 32:51
  visible,
• 32:53
  don't
• 32:53
  seem
• 32:54
  as
• 32:54
  egregious.
• 32:57
  I'm
• 32:57
  well
• 32:58
  aware
• 32:59
  within
• 33:00
  the
• 33:00
  systems
• 33:00
  I
• 33:00
  work,
• 33:01
  systems
• 33:01
  are
• 33:02
  there
• 33:02
  for
• 33:03
  ease.
• 33:06
  We
• 33:06
  need
• 33:08
  bigger
• 33:09
  processes
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  systems
• 33:10
  to
• 33:11
  function
• 33:11
  in
• 33:11
  our
• 33:12
  daily
• 33:12
  work.
• 33:14
  And
• 33:15
  I
• 33:16
  think
• 33:16
  about
• 33:17
  families
• 33:17
  that
• 33:17
  are
• 33:18
  in
• 33:18
  our
• 33:18
  school
• 33:18
  who
• 33:18
  are
• 33:19
  in
• 33:19
  extreme
• 33:19
  poverty
• 33:21
  and
• 33:23
  all
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  barriers
• 33:24
  they
• 33:24
  may
• 33:24
  be
• 33:24
  facing.
• 33:25
  I
• 33:25
  don't
• 33:25
  always
• 33:26
  see
• 33:26
  that.
• 33:27
  I
• 33:27
  just
• 33:27
  see,
• 33:28
  hey,
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  kid's
• 33:28
  not
• 33:28
  coming
• 33:29
  to
• 33:29
  school
• 33:29
  or
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  kid's
• 33:30
  not
• 33:30
  doing
• 33:30
  what
• 33:30
  they're
• 33:31
  supposed
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  do,
• 33:32
  right?
• 33:33
  We've
• 33:33
  got
• 33:33
  rules
• 33:34
  we
• 33:34
  need
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  follow.
• 33:34
  And
• 33:35
  it
• 33:35
  is
• 33:35
  easy
• 33:36
  for
• 33:37
  me
• 33:37
  to
• 33:37
  be
• 33:37
  frustrated
• 33:39
  and
• 33:39
  it's
• 33:40
  easy
• 33:40
  for
• 33:41
  me
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  blame
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  parent
• 33:43
  or
• 33:44
  the
• 33:44
  students
• 33:46
  and
• 33:47
  say,
• 33:47
  well,
• 33:47
  they
• 33:47
  are
• 33:47
  not
• 33:48
  doing
• 33:48
  what
• 33:48
  they
• 33:48
  should
• 33:49
  do.
• 33:49
  Or,
• 33:50
  you
• 33:50
  know,
• 33:50
  why
• 33:50
  don't
• 33:51
  they
• 33:51
  just
• 33:52
  fill
• 33:52
  in
• 33:52
  the
• 33:53
  blank?
• 33:55
  And
• 33:55
  sometimes,
• 33:56
  yeah,
• 33:56
  personal
• 33:57
  accountability
• 33:57
  matters.
• 33:59
  But
• 33:59
  have
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  created
• 34:03
  an
• 34:04
  environment
• 34:05
  where
• 34:06
  personal
• 34:06
  accountability
• 34:07
  can
• 34:08
  be
• 34:08
  taken?
• 34:09
  And
• 34:09
  do
• 34:09
  they
• 34:09
  know
• 34:10
  that?
• 34:13
  I
• 34:13
  have
• 34:13
  seen
• 34:13
  many
• 34:14
  times.
• 34:14
  The
• 34:14
  team
• 34:14
  that
• 34:15
  I
• 34:15
  work
• 34:15
  with
• 34:16
  is
• 34:16
  incredible.
• 34:17
  They
• 34:17
  do
• 34:17
  much
• 34:18
  more
• 34:18
  direct
• 34:18
  student
• 34:19
  contact
• 34:19
  than
• 34:19
  I
• 34:20
  do.
• 34:21
  I
• 34:22
  was
• 34:22
  very
• 34:22
  upset.
• 34:23
  There
• 34:23
  was
• 34:24
  a
• 34:24
  student
• 34:24
  who
• 34:25
  they
• 34:26
  were
• 34:26
  not
• 34:26
  going
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  come
• 34:27
  to
• 34:27
  state
• 34:27
  testing.
• 34:30
  The
• 34:30
  student
• 34:31
  worked
• 34:31
  at
• 34:31
  their
• 34:31
  mom's
• 34:32
  store
• 34:33
  and
• 34:34
  worked
• 34:34
  long
• 34:35
  hours,
• 34:35
  far
• 34:35
  more
• 34:36
  than
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  think
• 34:36
  was
• 34:37
  legally
• 34:37
  allowed
• 34:37
  for
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  student
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  their
• 34:38
  age.
• 34:39
  And
• 34:39
  I
• 34:39
  was
• 34:39
  like,
• 34:39
  well,
• 34:40
  we
• 34:40
  can,
• 34:40
  you
• 34:41
  know,
• 34:41
  reach
• 34:41
  out
• 34:41
  to
• 34:42
  the
• 34:42
  state.
• 34:42
  We
• 34:42
  could
• 34:42
  get
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  work
• 34:43
  permit
• 34:43
  revoked,
• 34:44
  we
• 34:44
  could
• 34:44
  do
• 34:44
  this,
• 34:44
  we
• 34:44
  could
• 34:45
  report
• 34:45
  them.
• 34:45
  And
• 34:45
  my,
• 34:46
  my
• 34:46
  team
• 34:46
  member
• 34:47
  who
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  supervised
• 34:48
  was
• 34:48
  like,
• 34:48
  Jim,
• 34:51
  they
• 34:51
  need
• 34:51
  that.
• 34:53
  Because
• 34:53
  I
• 34:54
  got
• 34:54
  really
• 34:54
  caught
• 34:54
  up
• 34:54
  in
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  system
• 34:55
  and
• 34:55
  I
• 34:55
  was
• 34:55
  being
• 34:56
  so
• 34:56
  uncharitable
• 34:58
  and
• 34:58
  there.
• 34:59
  So
• 34:59
  it
• 35:00
  was
• 35:00
  like,
• 35:00
  that's
• 35:00
  not
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  answer,
• 35:01
  right,
• 35:01
  you,
• 35:02
  you're
• 35:02
  getting
• 35:02
  angry
• 35:02
  because
• 35:03
  people
• 35:03
  aren't
• 35:03
  fitting
• 35:04
  into
• 35:04
  our
• 35:04
  systems.
• 35:05
  But
• 35:05
  systems
• 35:05
  don't
• 35:06
  fit.
• 35:08
  People
• 35:08
  don't
• 35:08
  fit
• 35:08
  into
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  system
• 35:09
  perfectly.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:10
  I
• 35:11
  need
• 35:11
  constant
• 35:11
  reminders
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  that
• 35:13
  because
• 35:13
  it
• 35:13
  is
• 35:13
  these
• 35:14
  daily
• 35:14
  decisions.
• 35:16
  Okay,
• 35:16
  well
• 35:17
  then
• 35:17
  how
• 35:17
  else
• 35:17
  do
• 35:17
  we
• 35:18
  address
• 35:18
  this?
• 35:19
  Because
• 35:19
  this
• 35:20
  kid
• 35:20
  deserves
• 35:21
  an
• 35:21
  education
• 35:22
  and
• 35:23
  deserves
• 35:24
  to
• 35:24
  work
• 35:24
  and
• 35:25
  help
• 35:26
  support
• 35:26
  the
• 35:26
  family.
• 35:27
  And
• 35:28
  there's
• 35:28
  gotta
• 35:28
  be
• 35:28
  a
• 35:28
  middle
• 35:29
  ground.
• 35:31
  We
• 35:31
  need
• 35:31
  to
• 35:32
  have
• 35:32
  conversation.
• 35:34
  And
• 35:35
  I
• 35:35
  think
• 35:36
  about
• 35:36
  how
• 35:36
  many
• 35:37
  biases
• 35:39
  I
• 35:39
  have
• 35:41
  that
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  have
• 35:41
  not
• 35:42
  examined
• 35:43
  or
• 35:43
  that
• 35:44
  I
• 35:44
  think
• 35:44
  I've
• 35:44
  examined
• 35:45
  until
• 35:45
  they're
• 35:46
  challenged.
• 35:46
  Right?
• 35:47
  And
• 35:48
  it
• 35:48
  is
• 35:48
  a
• 35:49
  constant,
• 35:49
  lifelong
• 35:50
  work
• 35:51
  to
• 35:51
  dig
• 35:51
  those
• 35:52
  out.
• 35:53
  And
• 35:54
  it
• 35:54
  hurts
• 35:54
  because
• 35:55
  we
• 35:55
  still
• 35:55
  want
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  be
• 35:56
  perceived
• 35:56
  as
• 35:57
  good.
• 35:57
  And
• 35:58
  we
• 35:58
  don't
• 35:58
  want
• 35:59
  to
• 36:00
  look
• 36:00
  at
• 36:00
  these
• 36:01
  ugly
• 36:01
  things,
• 36:02
  thoughts
• 36:02
  that
• 36:02
  we
• 36:03
  have
• 36:03
  or
• 36:03
  ugly
• 36:04
  beliefs
• 36:05
  that
• 36:06
  we
• 36:06
  didn't,
• 36:06
  that
• 36:06
  we
• 36:07
  wouldn't
• 36:07
  even
• 36:07
  acknowledge
• 36:08
  to
• 36:08
  ourselves,
• 36:08
  that
• 36:08
  we
• 36:09
  hold.
• 36:10
  And
• 36:10
  they
• 36:10
  exist
• 36:11
  in
• 36:11
  all
• 36:11
  of
• 36:12
  us.
• 36:13
  Uncharitable,
• 36:14
  unkind,
• 36:15
  prejudice.
• 36:18
  And,
• 36:20
  you
• 36:20
  know,
• 36:21
  something
• 36:21
  big
• 36:22
  can
• 36:22
  happen.
• 36:22
  And
• 36:22
  I'll
• 36:23
  speak
• 36:23
  out
• 36:23
  because
• 36:23
  I
• 36:23
  know
• 36:23
  that's
• 36:24
  wrong.
• 36:24
  But
• 36:24
  those
• 36:25
  little
• 36:25
  quiet
• 36:26
  moments
• 36:28
  are
• 36:28
  where
• 36:29
  the
• 36:29
  rubber
• 36:29
  meets
• 36:30
  the
• 36:30
  road.
• 36:31
  And
• 36:32
  that
• 36:33
  isn't
• 36:34
  pretty.
• 36:34
  You
• 36:35
  don't
• 36:35
  get
• 36:35
  glory
• 36:35
  for
• 36:35
  it.
• 36:37
  You
• 36:37
  just
• 36:38
  do
• 36:38
  it
• 36:39
  or
• 36:39
  don't.
• 36:41
  And
• 36:41
  the
• 36:42
  not
• 36:42
  caring
• 36:44
  isn't
• 36:45
  necessarily
• 36:45
  about.
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  don't
• 36:46
  care
• 36:46
  about
• 36:47
  these
• 36:47
  people,
• 36:47
  but
• 36:48
  it's
• 36:48
  hard
• 36:48
  and
• 36:49
  inconvenient
• 36:50
  and
• 36:51
  it
• 36:51
  requires
• 36:52
  work
• 36:52
  of
• 36:53
  me.
• 36:53
  And
• 36:54
  not,
• 36:54
  not
• 36:55
  pretty,
• 36:55
  glorious
• 36:56
  work.
• 36:56
  Just
• 36:57
  day
• 36:58
  to
• 36:58
  day
• 36:58
  grind.
• 37:00
  The
• 37:00
  day
• 37:00
  to
• 37:01
  day
• 37:01
  grind
• 37:01
  of
• 37:02
  a
• 37:02
  better
• 37:02
  habit
• 37:03
  of
• 37:03
  being.
• 37:04
  Yeah,
• 37:05
  yeah.
• 37:05
  Back
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  very
• 37:06
  beginning
• 37:06
  when
• 37:07
  we
• 37:07
  started
• 37:07
  this
• 37:07
  conversation.
• 37:08
  It's
• 37:08
  about
• 37:09
  the
• 37:09
  impact
• 37:09
  of
• 37:09
  our
• 37:10
  decisions.
• 37:13
  So
• 37:13
  either
• 37:14
  we
• 37:14
  are
• 37:16
  moving
• 37:16
  forward,
• 37:17
  that
• 37:17
  we
• 37:17
  are
• 37:18
  using
• 37:19
  wherever
• 37:19
  we're
• 37:20
  at
• 37:20
  as
• 37:20
  a
• 37:21
  sphere
• 37:21
  of
• 37:21
  influence
• 37:23
  to
• 37:23
  positively
• 37:24
  impact
• 37:26
  or
• 37:27
  negatively
• 37:29
  put
• 37:30
  up
• 37:30
  barriers
• 37:31
  and
• 37:32
  damage
• 37:34
  for
• 37:34
  our
• 37:34
  students
• 37:35
  and
• 37:35
  families,
• 37:37
  or
• 37:37
  to.
• 37:37
  Do
• 37:38
  nothing
• 37:38
  as
• 37:39
  a
• 37:39
  decision.
• 37:40
  And
• 37:41
  that's,
• 37:41
  I
• 37:41
  think,
• 37:42
  most
• 37:42
  often
• 37:45
  where
• 37:46
  inequity
• 37:47
  thrives.
• 37:50
  And
• 37:50
  when
• 37:50
  we
• 37:50
  do
• 37:51
  nothing,
• 37:52
  are
• 37:52
  we
• 37:52
  cultivating
• 37:53
  hope
• 37:54
  or
• 37:54
  killing
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  dream?
• 37:57
  To
• 37:57
  be
• 37:57
  complicit
• 37:59
  is
• 38:00
  to
• 38:00
  permit
• 38:01
  whatever
• 38:01
  is
• 38:02
  going
• 38:02
  on
• 38:03
  at
• 38:03
  that
• 38:03
  time
• 38:04
  to
• 38:04
  happen.
• 38:05
  And
• 38:06
  it's
• 38:06
  damaging.
• 38:07
  So
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  are
• 38:08
  killing
• 38:09
  dreams.
• 38:10
  And
• 38:10
  that,
• 38:10
  my
• 38:10
  friends,
• 38:12
  brings
• 38:12
  us
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  the
• 38:13
  end
• 38:13
  of
• 38:13
  this
• 38:14
  episode,
• 38:15
  right?
• 38:15
  Because
• 38:16
  no
• 38:16
  matter
• 38:16
  what
• 38:16
  we
• 38:17
  do,
• 38:17
  right,
• 38:17
  no
• 38:18
  matter
• 38:18
  what
• 38:18
  we
• 38:18
  do
• 38:18
  or
• 38:19
  how
• 38:19
  we
• 38:19
  think
• 38:19
  about
• 38:20
  anything,
• 38:21
  it
• 38:21
  still
• 38:21
  comes
• 38:22
  down
• 38:22
  to
• 38:22
  those
• 38:22
  two
• 38:23
  questions.
• 38:24
  Does
• 38:24
  our
• 38:24
  action
• 38:25
  or
• 38:25
  inaction,
• 38:26
  does
• 38:27
  our
• 38:27
  attitude,
• 38:28
  does
• 38:28
  our
• 38:29
  way
• 38:29
  of
• 38:29
  thinking,
• 38:30
  does
• 38:30
  our
• 38:31
  everything
• 38:31
  that
• 38:32
  Jim
• 38:32
  has
• 38:32
  talked
• 38:32
  about
• 38:33
  so
• 38:33
  eloquently
• 38:34
  in
• 38:34
  this
• 38:34
  particular
• 38:35
  episode,
• 38:36
  does
• 38:36
  it
• 38:37
  cultivate
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  hope
• 38:38
  or
• 38:39
  does
• 38:39
  it
• 38:39
  kill
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  dream?
• 38:40
  And
• 38:40
  are
• 38:41
  we
• 38:41
  brave
• 38:41
  enough
• 38:42
  to
• 38:42
  understand
• 38:43
  the
• 38:43
  difference
• 38:44
  between
• 38:44
  the
• 38:44
  two?
• 38:45
  Jim
• 38:45
  Vaneda,
• 38:46
  thank
• 38:46
  you
• 38:46
  so
• 38:46
  much
• 38:47
  for
• 38:47
  joining
• 38:47
  us
• 38:47
  in
• 38:47
  the
• 38:48
  Wheelhouse
• 38:48
  today.
• 38:48
  Sir,
• 38:49
  thank
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  so
• 38:50
  much
• 38:50
  for
• 38:50
  having
• 38:51
  me.
• 38:51
  These
• 38:51
  are
• 38:52
  wonderful
• 38:53
  conversations
• 38:54
  and
• 38:54
  while
• 38:55
  I
• 38:55
  don't
• 38:55
  think
• 38:55
  we
• 38:56
  solved
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  problem
• 38:58
  of
• 38:58
  inequity
• 38:59
  today,
• 39:00
  it's
• 39:00
  really
• 39:00
  important
• 39:01
  that
• 39:02
  you
• 39:02
  know
• 39:02
  to
• 39:02
  be
• 39:02
  included
• 39:03
  in
• 39:03
  this
• 39:03
  conversation
• 39:04
  and
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  really
• 39:04
  appreciate
• 39:05
  it.
• 39:10
  And
• 39:10
  that's
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  wrap
• 39:10
  of
• 39:11
  episode
• 39:11
  9
• 39:12
  in
• 39:12
  this
• 39:12
  season
• 39:12
  of
• 39:13
  the
• 39:13
  Wheelhouse.
• 39:14
  A
• 39:14
  special
• 39:14
  thank
• 39:14
  you
• 39:15
  to
• 39:15
  our
• 39:15
  dear
• 39:15
  friend
• 39:15
  Jim
• 39:16
  Vaneda
• 39:16
  for
• 39:17
  joining
• 39:17
  us
• 39:17
  again
• 39:18
  in
• 39:18
  this
• 39:19
  episode.
• 39:20
  Are
• 39:20
  you
• 39:20
  a
• 39:20
  like
• 39:21
  minded
• 39:21
  educator
• 39:22
  who's
• 39:22
  committed
• 39:22
  to
• 39:22
  promoting
• 39:23
  hope?
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• 39:24
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• 39:31
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• 39:31
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• 39:31
  you
• 39:32
  being
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  an
• 39:32
  ally,
• 39:34
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• 39:34
  as
• 39:34
  a
• 39:34
  noun
• 39:35
  and
• 39:35
  a
• 39:35
  verb
• 39:36
  for
• 39:36
  each
• 39:37
  and
• 39:37
  every
• 39:38
  student
• 39:38
  that
• 39:38
  you
• 39:39
  are
• 39:39
  responsible
• 39:39
  for?
• 39:40
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• 39:40
  how
• 39:41
  can
• 39:41
  we
• 39:41
  here
• 39:42
  at
• 39:42
  the
• 39:42
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• 39:43
  help
• 39:43
  you
• 39:43
  reach
• 39:43
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• 39:44
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• 39:44
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• 39:45
  and
• 39:45
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• 39:46
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• 39:46
  know,
• 39:46
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• 39:47
  really
• 39:47
  do
• 39:47
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• 39:47
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• 39:47
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• 39:48
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• 39:48
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• 39:48
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• 39:54
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