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Ultrarunning Recovery Heirarchy · Run Mountain Peaks

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OK, welcome back to another episode of Run Mountain Peaks,
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episode 20. And we have a wide array of
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topics today, so we have a lot of different things to cover.
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We're going to go through kind of a deep dive recovery talk.
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It's the new year. You're probably got goals
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getting after it, getting after it, upping your training.
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If you're up in your training, you should probably up your
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recovery. So I'll go through all the
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things that I think about when it comes to recovery.
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I'm going to do a bunch of deer hunting FAQs.
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So a lot of questions that I get from maybe like non hunters or
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runners or hikers that share the same space but maybe don't know
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some things about hunting. So I'll do kind of a deep dive
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into that, talk a little bit about discipline.
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I have a sledding story I'm going to share.
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We'll do a little bit of Patriots talk.
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The peak snow devil snowshoe race happened last weekend.
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We'll touch on that briefly. I have a, a No country for old
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men quote and reflection that hit me mid mountain run last
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week, which I kind of like, Like I, I was like, Oh my gosh, I
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think I know what that scene meant.
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So we'll talk about that. I messed up on a grid fact last
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week, so I have to, I have to right that wrong.
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I can't believe I messed that up.
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And then maybe we'll do a little bit of ski season talk 'cause
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skiers are having a winter to remember.
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Yeah. So that's what we've got today.
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I did, I was going to go up north today, but I, I, I ended
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up doing a more local mountain run.
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So we got out for a couple hours today.
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It's getting pretty cold. It's getting pretty windy as the
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day is going on. I didn't look at the weather for
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today or for the weather for this weekend.
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So I don't know. But it, it feels like it's going
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to be really cold and really windy.
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But I have not seen or heard anything about the weather this
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weekend, But we'll see how it turns out.
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I mean, right now I'm all bundled up, but that's that's
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that's what we have today. No, obviously it's going to be
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super cold this weekend. Yeah, the temps in the mountains
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this weekend are frigid. I was looking for the next
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couple days. Negative 30s, negative 40s,
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negative 50. Wind chill on all of the peaks.
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So if you are braving that weather, be careful.
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Goggle up, don't have any skin exposed and if you are hitting
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the treadmill or indoor bike or whatever it may be, I'll be
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there with you. We're going to I'm going to be
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grinding some treadmill miles this weekend.
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I've gotten out in the crazy temps before and it's just, it's
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just sometimes it can be a hassle And so I got a good
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mountain running today. I'll bundle up for a day or two
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and then I'll get back out there hopefully like Sunday.
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So I'm kind of being a baby this weekend, dodging the weather.
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But if you're getting out there, good for you.
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You're braver, braver than me. But be be prepared because it is
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freezing. I looked at the weather and it
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was going to be -10 in Lincoln in the morning, real feel
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tomorrow. So the real feel on the peaks is
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going to be like probably 20, negative 20.
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I don't know, crazy cold. But everyone's talking about it.
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So it's it's not out of the blue here, but all right, so we'll no
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actually one thing quick before we dive into the the topics
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today, I wanted to do a 62nd training lesson for you all.
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Everybody knows in the winter you should probably be doing
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strength training that you've been putting off trying to get
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stronger when you're staying indoors more.
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And I think weight training is awesome.
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You should be doing that in the winter.
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But also, I think all mountain runners should at least do 1
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block of a weighted Stairmaster, maybe months.
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So some sort of training block. I think it is a it's, it's a
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different form of weight training, but it's just as
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important. Getting stronger going up steep
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inclines is extremely important for mountain running.
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And it's probably a stimulus that you have not had before.
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So one that just means you're going to be able to make quick
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gains like quick strength gains on it.
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And you can do must you can do this as a muscular endurance
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workout. I really, really heavy pack do
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304560 minutes on the stairs or I just got finished the block
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doing shorter reps running on the stairs.
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So I was wearing about 10% of my body weight doing one minute
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intervals running up the Stairmaster and it's a great
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stimulus. It's going to get you stronger
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and it's probably something you shouldn't be doing.
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So if you haven't been doing it, give it a try, especially in the
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winter, it's kind of fun. It's a different workout and you
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can really get make some good gains on your uphill running.
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If you have any questions, send me an e-mail at
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andrew@runmountainpeaks.com and if you are interested in run
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coaching, go to runmountainpeaks.com.
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All right, now we're going to get into this topics.
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So what do we want to start with here?
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I guess I'll just start with the sledding story.
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We're going to some of these are quicker.
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So we'll actually no, we're going to start with the peak
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Snow Devil Snowshoe race. So this is a race in Pittsfield,
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Vt snowshoe race. There's a 10K, half marathon,
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marathon, 100K and 100 mile and it's been a long standing race.
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I've I've heard things about it for a long time.
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It's been going on for I think over a decade.
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It's kind of a classic Vermont winter grueling.
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It's got a good amount of vert in it and you're wearing
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snowshoes usually. So that is the race that
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happened last weekend. I'm scouring the web.
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I'm trying to find results from the the race, but I don't know
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if they didn't post it yet or the Spartan.
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It's one of the Spartan races. So the Spartan races I feel like
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are always kind of harder maybe to track 'cause they have kind
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of their whole big brand or conglomerate going.
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So they're, you know, they just have a hub for all these races
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and websites. They have all these events and
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so maybe they keep it behind. You know, you have to do it to
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see the results. So I couldn't find the results.
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So I don't have anything to report on for you guys this
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week. But if everything works out, I
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will be interviewing somebody who ran the marathon at that
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race who I think is going to be an awesome interview.
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I'm super excited to meet him and get his story on the race
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and just his story in general. So no results this week, but
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stay tuned for an interview coming soon.
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That was a peak Snow Devil Sunshine race recap.
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Next up we will do the sledding story next.
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So a little bit of nostalgia Throwback went sledding.
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Me and Jocelyn go sledding this past weekend.
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It's snowy. I feel like in the winter
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there's not as many. Like I like to get out for
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little walks or, or walks in the woods, do little things when I
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have some free time. But in the winter it's a little
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bit harder to kind of convince yourself to get out.
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So we, we had a little idea. My parents had boogie boards at
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the, at the house and I was over there.
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I was like, let's take these down a sled hill 'cause I don't
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skier snowboards. So I don't really get that, you
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know, I don't really get that excitement of going down a hill
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fast. So we pick up the big boogie
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boards and I'm like, I don't even know if this is going to
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work. It's kind of fluffy snow, but
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who knows? I know this hill in Amherst we
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used to go to as a kid. I won't, I won't call it out,
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but it's like you go under, you go through a little culvert, you
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get to the other side. Big sledding hell.
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I'm like, maybe if a couple people have been there, it'll be
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all packed down. And we can, we can, we can go
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down a couple times. So we show up there.
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I don't know when this was last weekend.
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And the hill is packed. I mean, there's at least 50 kids
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on the cell, 50 kids. There's parents at the top.
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There's, there's, there's everyone is sledding on the
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cell. I'm like, wow, OK.
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We, we were not the first ones to think of this.
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And we get up to the top and we're thinking, what, what are
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we doing here? This is just kind of silly, but
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we're, we're still going to do it.
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And we get up to the top. And there was one guy actually
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kind of like our age. I, it didn't seem like it was
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his kid, but maybe it could have been his kid, obviously, but
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this kid kind of goes down and we, we had just got to the top.
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Kid goes down the sledding hail and he hits this bump, this
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little jump that was made. The sled goes one way, the kid
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goes the other way, somersaulting in the air.
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And the guy just, he's just like, oh, whoa.
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He was like, he, he likes the jumps, but I didn't think he
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knew there was a jump on that one.
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And then you're just seeing all these kids.
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Half of the kids are just wiping out every this, this hill is
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super steep, super fast. I mean, everyone has different
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kinds of sleds. Some of them are like very
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stable tubes. And then some of them are just
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these tiny little things. But kids wiping out, tumbling,
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going everywhere. There was this one kid.
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He had this really aerodynamics small kind of compact sled and
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he fit in it really good and he just went down it kind of like
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the luge or or the bobsled in the Olympics.
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He just went down it all tucked up aerodynamic and he was making
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zero facial expressions, just ripping down the hill.
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He would get up, walk to the top and do it again, just like
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robotic sledding behavior. So we ended up doing like 2.
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We did a few, maybe 3 or 4 rips down.
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It was pretty fun. We got going, but I don't
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actually, the big boogie boys actually did work pretty good on
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the sledding hill, I will say that.
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But then we were like, all right, we have to get out of
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here. We have to get out of here.
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So that was a good like throwback.
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If you haven't gone sledding in a while, see, see, see what you
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can scrap up piece of plastics, piece of good cardboard,
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something like that and hit hit 1 sledding hill this winter.
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And this is coming from a non ski or non snowboarder.
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So probably everyone's like, I'm not going sledding.
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I'm just going to go skiing like an adult, which I should do, but
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I didn't. So that that was the sledding
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story. What else we got here?
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Oh, the grid fact mess up. Oh my gosh, how did I mess this
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up? I, I think I said in the podcast
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last week, I, I brought up my phone 'cause I had it written
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down. So I didn't mess it up and I
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still messed it up. So the fact was what was the
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most finished grid peak? And I thought it was like, oh,
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I'm, I'm really jazzing up this podcast.
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I'm doing some research, I'm getting prepped.
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I'm going to throw to a guest a little question.
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And I had the fact wrong and nobody called me out on it, but
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I just I had, I had I messed it up.
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I don't know how I messed it up, but I did.
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So I think in that last week I said it was Canon, then
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Jefferson, then Moose as the most finished grid peak.
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The actual list, sorry, mother, the actual list was Jefferson
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was #1 Moose a lock was number 2, and then Canon was not the
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one, it was 3. So I mean, adding up numbers, my
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brain sometimes will just make insane mistakes.
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I think it can be very good a lot of the times, but sometimes
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it just like mess it up. So I messed that up.
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I'm owning up to it, hopefully righting the wrong.
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I was going to make that a little clip, but then I couldn't
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'cause I was like, this is just wrong.
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So I didn't make that clip. I made a different clip, but
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that was a grid fact mess up. And I just wanted to clarify the
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other thing in the list, 'cause I'm like, oh, do I have this
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wrong too? No, S kinsman being one of the
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peaks that had not had a grid finish on it.
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That was actually correct. N kinsman has had two grid
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finishes, but S kinsman has had zero.
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So that fact which I was like, oh, I think I messed that up.
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That was actually correct. And I just can't, I cannot
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comprehend how that is possible. I actually, I, I cannot
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comprehend how that's possible. I guess I could have looked at
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the months, but I guess somebody just grab S Kinsman if they were
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doing like a Mount Wolf or coming on the Kinsman wrench
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trail from the other way. But that is very strange because
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not a lot of people would. Hey, I'm going to go do South
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Kinsman only today from from Mount Wolf.
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But so that is the grid fact clarification.
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When I saw that I had messed that fact up, I actually I
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started sweating and I'm like, I let the people down.
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This is horrible. I have misinformation out there.
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I've said this before and I will keep saying this.
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I am going to make mistakes on this podcast.
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I am going to say stupid things on this podcast.
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But as long as I own up to it and and just keep rolling, then
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then it's all good. So that was the last thing here.
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And before we get into the two big talk topics, the recovery
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talk and the deer hunting FAQSI have one more little quick thing
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that I'm going to do. And this was was on the
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Kinsman's. Yeah, it was on the Kinsman's
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last weekend. This was mid Kinsman Ridge.
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I love the kinsman's. The weather wasn't great, but so
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there wasn't a ton of views. But I do love the Kinsman's and
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I'm mid stride on the Kinsman's. And what did I do?
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I had my my little throw over jacket on me and I pulled that
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out of my pack. And when I throw that over
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myself in the winter, I usually just put it over my pack.
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So you can't really access the pack pockets as as good.
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And it looks like I'm like not even wearing a pack.
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But so I threw that on and I went to grab a little bottle of
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Maple syrup in my pack pocket and I was going to put that in
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my pants pocket so it was more accessible.
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And I go to throw it in my pants pocket.
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But the one pocket I was going to put it in, I had just my key
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in it. And I was like, no, do not.
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If you have a key, your car key that you need to drive your
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vehicle away from, do not put anything else with that key.
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Because if you go to grab that something else you're going to,
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you're going to probably get the key.
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It's going to fall out in the snow.
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It's going to be mayhem. I experienced that once I didn't
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drop the key. I'm not going to name names.
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My mother dropped the key in the snow, but I'm not going to name
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names. Would not do that to her.
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So you don't want to do that. And so I put it in my other
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pocket and I and it and it came to my head because I have a lot
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of movie quotes, just like quotes or little scenes or stuff
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in my head. I feel like that just come out
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when I'm running or just in general in life.
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But I I said, don't put it in your pocket.
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You don't put it in your pocket. And that came to me.
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And that line is from No Country for Old Men, which No Country
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for Old Men. I used to watch that movie
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before some of my ultras. I don't know why.
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It's just kind of like a chilling Western murder kind of
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movie. So I don't know why I would
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always watch that. But I really do like that movie.
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It's one of those movies like Goodfellas Casino or something
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like that's just on all the time on TV.
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And if it's on, you got to watch it.
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But no country for old men. It's the scene when Anton Sugar
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walks into the gas station after I think he he killed that guy
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with all the chickens and then needed gas or something.
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And he walks in there and and he goes to buy something.
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I'm pretty sure the counter guy was like, oh, it'll be $0.10.
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He's like OK. And Anton doesn't say anything.
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But then the guy behind the counter is like y'all getting
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any rain up your way. And for some reason, this this
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pisses Anton off and he goes, what is it any business of
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yours? And he's like, I didn't mean
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anything by it. He's like and, and, and this is
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like the whole scene of in the, the premise of the movie, Anton
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is like death. And if you see him, you're,
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you're going to die or something.
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And then he, he, he, he just goes in on this, this gas
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station worker. He's like, you live in that
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house out back here. He's like, yeah, you know, my,
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my, my wife's family grew up here.
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And he's like spits out his water.
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He goes, you inherited it. He's like, I don't know if you
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want to. That's if that's the way you
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want to put it. And he's like, there's no other
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way to put it. That's how it is.
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And it's just the scene is getting like more and more
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tense. And this guy, it's the middle of
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nowhere. It's just like, who is this guy?
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He's being really weird, being really kind of a aggressive, but
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in this calm, weird, scary manner.
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And then he's like, how? And then this is like the famous
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line, like how much have you ever lost on a coin toss?
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He goes, I don't know, Mr. He's like, how much have you lost?
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He's like, see this coin, call it.
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He's like, well, I got to know what we're calling it for.
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He's like, call it. I'm not going to call it if I
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don't know what we're calling it.
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He's like, if I don't know what I'm calling it for, what do I
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have to lose? He's like, you have everything
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to lose. Call it.
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And it's like getting tense, like, is this guy going to kill
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me over this coin toss? He's like, Sir, we got to close.
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We got to close. He was like, why?
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What time do you close? He's like, now we close now he's
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like call it. He's like, I'm not going to call
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it. He's like call it.
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And then he's like, all right, if I have to call it heads then
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and he flips it up and it's like very tense and that comes down
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heads and he goes well done. And the guy's like weight off of
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my shoulder. And it's just like a very tense
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scene. And then the guy takes and he
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puts in his pocket and he goes, don't put it in your pocket.
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He's like, what? Why?
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He's like, That's your lucky quarter.
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Don't just put it in your pocket.
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And the guy's like, well, where should I put it?
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Anywhere not in your pocket. He's like, 'cause then it will
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just get mixed in with the rest of the quarters and it will just
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be a regular quarter. He goes, which it is, and then
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walks out and that's the scene. So so I had to do pieces of
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that. So the way that I think I always
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thought about the scene was obviously, Oh my God, this guy
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got lucky. If it was Tails, he was just
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going to kill him. So that's like the scary part of
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the scene and everybody kind of gets that.
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But I always was like thinking of why did he say that's your
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lucky quarter, don't put it in your pocket.
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I guess it makes sense, Like he kind of just won your life, but
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don't put it in your pocket. But I kind of was like, why was
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he such a stickler about putting it in his pocket?
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Like, where should he put it? And what finally dawned on me on
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the kinsman's don't put it in your pocket.
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I think the quarter obviously represents his life.
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It represents his life. And I think Anton Bai, obviously
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he just won his life in a lottery.
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It's like, you know, that's one thing in general, you only live
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one life. Nobody knows what can happen.
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You got to, you got to live it now, which is obviously one
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thing, but also I think him not putting it in your pocket is him
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realizing that he has one life. If you put the quarter, you just
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won your life, dude. If you just put your life in
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your pocket and forget about that, this is your one life,
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you're going to just get mixed in with all the rest of the
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people just going through life, going through the motions, doing
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whatever. This is your one life.
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Don't forget it. That's the metaphor of don't put
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it in your pocket. And so everybody listening, you
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only have one life and everyone hears these quotes and hears
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these things and things like, no, I understand that.
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But don't put it away. Don't put it off on, Oh, I'll,
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I'll go after something I want to do later.
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Do whatever. Never forget that you got to
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live your life now and just don't sock it in like most
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people. You know, if you got something
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you want to go after, you got to go after it now.
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Because I feel like just, you know, the whole it's like
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society, we're all just like in this kind of churning thing
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where it's like you go to work, you get paid.
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You know what's that? You go to work, you get paid,
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you eat food, you go to bed, you go, you go to sleep, you wake
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up, you go to work, you eat food, you go to bed, you go to
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sleep, you wake up and it's like up and it's like, don't get in
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that cycle. It's so easy to say, I can do
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this, this or this down the line.
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You have to remember this is your one life.
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You never know when it's going to be up and you got to just
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take chances and do your opportunity and do everything
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you want to do now. Don't wait 5-10, twenty years,
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'cause I think a lot of people like, you know, they say lots of
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old people, they get to the end of life.
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What did you regret? It's just like not realizing,
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not going after something, not realizing the time that I have.
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Don't basically this is a warning.
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Don't put the quarter in your pocket.
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Don't wake up in 20 years and be and blink it's 20 years later
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and and you didn't do things you want to do keep the quarter out.
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I don't know where should we hold our quarters?
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Should we bring the quarters and and our running vests?
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Maybe that's maybe that's the thing.
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If you have a lucky quarter, start bringing it in your
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running vest, purposely put it in every day so you don't forget
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it. OK.
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That was the No Country for Old Men talk.
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So I think we covered all of the small things and we will get
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into the big two topics today that I wanted to cover and hold
22:08
on. Yeah, so we'll start with the
22:13
recovery talk. Like I said, it's the new year,
22:19
people have new plans, new ambitions, and I think the new
22:22
year is a great time to to get that kind of rejuvenation, you
22:27
know, maybe get rid of some things or take some things off
22:30
your plate, feel a little bit lighter, have that motivation,
22:33
start going after your goals for this year.
22:35
But in training, that usually means putting on big races and
22:40
starting to train more. And I think whenever you're
22:42
training more 1, you have to increase, you're loading your
22:47
training volume in a smart manner so you don't get hurt.
22:51
But also if you were going to step up your training, you
22:55
really need to step up your recovery.
22:57
So what do I think the most important recovery things?
23:01
This is like my recovery hierarchy for, for endurance
23:06
training, for ultra running. And there's a lot of things you
23:11
see online, a lot of products, a lot of supplements, the
23:16
strategies and all these things and studies that go with it.
23:18
There's so much information out there, but I think the basics do
23:24
90% of the work when it comes to recovery.
23:28
And the number one thing, which you heard it 1000 times, sleep
23:33
is the number, your number one recovery tool.
23:36
It is legitimately A superpower. When you're sleeping, you are,
23:43
it is it is the human superpower.
23:48
And everybody knows the importance of sleep.
23:52
You recover when you're resting and when you're sleeping.
23:56
So if you're training but not sleeping, you're basically
23:59
stressing your body but not allowing it to build back
24:02
stronger. And that training that you're
24:05
doing and not recovering from is just like, wait, you're just
24:08
kind of wasting your time. Maybe you're doing some mental
24:11
training, but a lot of it is kind of just wasting effort and
24:15
energy. If you're not recovering from
24:17
training, it is unproductive and you need like your body's entire
24:22
healing process happens with good sleep.
24:25
So everybody knows this, but I don't think people put the
24:28
importance on sleep that they should.
24:32
If you if you are not sleeping 9 or 10 hours every day or getting
24:38
like 8 hours of sleep plus a little nap every single day,
24:41
right? I would say 30 minutes of sleep
24:44
extra is going to be better than 30 minutes of anything else you
24:50
can do for recovery. So think about what that means.
24:54
If you just carve out time in your day, 30 minutes more to
24:58
sleep more, that is better than stretching, foam rolling,
25:03
supplements, all of these recovery tools that people try
25:07
to like sell you online. All you have to do is sleep a
25:13
little bit more. And I think people just don't
25:15
take that serious. And there are so many protocols
25:21
and things that you can do to get better sleep that are a
25:25
little bit time consuming or or maybe a hassle to some people.
25:28
But it really just comes down to make more time to sleep.
25:33
Think about how much time you spend on your phone.
25:35
If you turn the phone off 1/2 hour earlier at night and just
25:38
go to bed, that is going to do wonders for you in recovery.
25:42
So if you're serious about training, you got a big ulcer
25:45
that you want to do or big races or whatever it is this year,
25:49
you're up in your training volume and you are just sleeping
25:52
the same. You are essentially and you're
25:55
not sleeping that 8910 hours every single night, not every
25:58
single night, 6 out of seven nights a week.
26:00
I would say you're not sacrificing as, as, as much as
26:07
you could be. And I don't even know if it's a
26:09
huge sacrifice. It takes a little bit of
26:11
awareness, but it's not a huge sacrifice.
26:13
Most people like to sleep. I have a hard time sleeping
26:16
sometimes, but a lot of people like to sleep, take sleep
26:20
seriously. So that's the number one thing
26:24
that I think a lot of people probably don't do or don't place
26:27
enough importance on that you should start doing.
26:29
So that is my #1 recovery tip #2 and this is probably a close
26:34
second, especially for endurance training is eating enough food
26:40
slash staying hydrated. And we'll stay put more emphasis
26:44
on the food because everybody knows you should stay hydrated.
26:48
Every cell in your body uses water.
26:50
You need it in the recovery process.
26:52
Stay hydrated, drink water, make sure you're getting sodium
26:56
electrolytes. Eating enough though is so, so
27:00
important because we talk about sleep being the time where your
27:04
body rebuilds itself. To rebuild itself, you need the
27:09
building blocks of the macro nutrients in food.
27:14
The nutrients in food is what your body uses to grow yourself
27:17
back up. And if you're not prone to
27:20
providing enough of it, again, you're just going to be under
27:23
recovering and that extra training that you're doing is
27:26
probably just harming you or you're not gaining from it as
27:29
much as you could be. O sleep enough and eat enough,
27:34
because I've said this before, training, endurance training is
27:38
just stressing your body and then letting it recover.
27:41
Stressing your body, letting it recover over and over and over
27:45
again. That's all it is.
27:46
And so if your training's great, but your recovery is not great,
27:50
you're just leaving gains on the table.
27:52
So get enough sleep and eat enough food.
27:55
How do you know if you're eating enough food?
27:57
If you want to be really, really good about it, really serious
28:00
about it, track your food. Eat the same food every day or
28:04
the same amount of calories, and if you're maintaining weight,
28:07
you're good. If you feel like you have energy
28:10
for most of your runs, you're good.
28:12
But if you don't have energy, you're losing weight that you
28:15
don't need to be losing or you're starting to get injured a
28:19
lot or all these things or you're gaining weight, you're
28:23
feeling, you know, you're eating too much food.
28:26
All of these things you have to adjust to get in that sweet spot
28:29
of eating enough food to fuel your training.
28:33
And aside from just being able to recover more and aside from
28:38
just food being the building blocks, if you're under fueling,
28:44
one that is just making you more injury prone.
28:48
And two, bone stress injuries, which are the worst running
28:52
injuries that set you back so much.
28:54
Those like the number one reason people develop bone stress
28:58
injuries. One of the top reasons is under
29:01
fueling. So you're just risking, you're
29:04
probably not recovering like you should and you're risking your
29:07
body, which could set you back, which is never going to help you
29:11
get to your goals. So take eating seriously.
29:14
Eat majority Whole Foods, good few foods, lots of nutrients,
29:19
but then if you need to add on a little bit of processed foods on
29:23
top of everything to make sure you're meeting your calorie
29:25
goals and your calorie needs, do that.
29:29
So those are probably the biggest too.
29:31
The next thing that I want to talk about managing your stress.
29:34
So like I said, training you stress the body and then you
29:38
recover your body's central nervous system does not
29:43
distinguish physical, emotional and mental stress from each
29:47
other. If you are having a lot of
29:49
stress in in like mental stress in life.
29:55
Oh my gosh, we have a dog, we have a, we have a, we have a
29:58
potential coat. Second guess on the podcast, a
30:02
dog, but he doesn't see me. OK, what was I saying?
30:07
We're going to keep that part in.
30:10
Yeah, if you have a ton of stress outside of training, that
30:15
is going to drain your your system and drain your central
30:19
nervous system. Because ultra running it's you
30:22
have to do a lot of miles, long days, long runs, long races, and
30:27
it does take a toll on your nervous system.
30:30
And if you have a lot of mental stress from work, from life, if
30:35
you have a lot of emotional stress for whatever reason,
30:37
relationships, etcetera, those things are going to take away
30:41
from that bucket that you have of total stress in your body.
30:47
And if you're trying to train super hard, but you also have a
30:50
ton of other stress in your life, it's probably just going
30:53
to burn you out, make you more prone to injury, and your body's
30:57
going to be in a state where it can't recover from your training
31:00
as well as it could if all those areas in your life were feeling
31:04
better. So this is another thing when it
31:07
comes to recovery, managing your stress in your life is a huge
31:12
thing. I always tell people on your
31:15
rest day, I think most people should take a rest day every
31:17
week. That should be your day to
31:19
tackle the BS that life throws at you.
31:21
You got appointments, you got errands to run, you got things
31:24
to do, something breaks, yadda, yadda, yadda.
31:26
If you got to return all of these things that are kind of
31:28
hassles and put more stress in your day, take care of those
31:32
things on your rest day so that the rest of the week you have
31:36
more time to train and not have to worry about doing extra
31:41
things, running around. Because it does take a lot out
31:44
of you. If you're running around to
31:45
appointments doing all these things in a day, that's probably
31:49
1/2 hour, hour, 2 hours that you could be doing some sort of
31:52
training endurance thing, but but you're not and it's just
31:56
adding stress for no reason. So the best that you can try to
32:00
find balance in your life outside of training and that's
32:03
going to allow you to train more without burning out, crashing
32:07
out, going down that route. Next up, I would say the fourth
32:11
thing, active recovery to just get blood flow to your body and
32:16
specifically your legs, a 5 to 10 minute walk just to circulate
32:22
that blood around is probably going to be better for you than
32:27
most things that you're thinking of as recovery.
32:30
We talked about how do you repair yourself?
32:33
It's food, it's sleep and what is the shuttles that that get
32:38
these nutrients to your muscles to do this recovery.
32:41
It is your blood. That's what carries oxygen,
32:44
carries nutrients, carries water, all these things to your
32:47
tissues and you need blood in your in your those areas that
32:53
you have strained to recover. And so the best way to do this
32:58
is just go for a quick walk, a quick bike ride.
33:01
But like where your heart rate is not even in the 100, it's
33:04
low. It's not even like a training
33:06
thing at all, just enough to get that blood flow going.
33:10
I even say if you have an errand to run, go to the store, you
33:12
walk around the store for a handful of minutes, boom.
33:15
That is part of recovery. It's just getting more blood
33:19
flow to the inflamed tissues to repair itself quicker.
33:24
And, and I really do believe that some light walks, a little
33:30
bit of light stretching, anything like that to get to the
33:32
muscles. Beautiful.
33:34
It's awesome. If you can do one or two of
33:35
those a day, I think that's going to aid your recovery a
33:38
ton. And so that was my fourth thing.
33:42
So that brings me to my 5th hierarchy of recovery hierarchy.
33:49
Yeah. Importance is all of those
33:52
recovery tools, commercial recovery tools, commercial
33:56
recovery products. I think massages, massage guns,
34:01
Norma tech boots, red light therapy, cryotherapy, all of
34:06
these, all of these things, yes, they can help.
34:10
Yes, people can make studies that say they're going to give
34:14
you X amount recovery gains. Yes, I do believe like if you
34:18
could do all those things like a professional athlete, you would
34:20
recover a lot better. But if you are not doing the
34:23
first four things, it's it's I think a waste of your time.
34:28
I think you're leaving recovery on the table.
34:30
Oh, I'm going to buy a pair of Normatex boots, but I sleep six
34:34
hours every night. Like you don't need the boots.
34:39
He definitely don't need the boots.
34:42
Foam rolling. I think these things can be
34:45
helpful. Some people don't believe in
34:47
foam rolling, some people do. Some people don't believe in red
34:50
light therapy, ice bath, some people do.
34:53
The jury's out. There's lots of different
34:55
studies, all these different things.
34:56
Some of them help, some of them don't.
34:58
Whatever you think. But if you're not doing the
35:00
first four things, sleeping, eating enough, managing your
35:04
stress, and then doing a light recovery, getting blood flowed
35:09
to your, to your impaired muscles, your legs, or any, any
35:12
spot where you're having a little bit of an injury or
35:15
something that you want to take extra care of.
35:16
If you're not doing those four things, you should not be
35:20
looking into buying any of those recovery tools or even spending
35:24
the time if your foam rolling for 1/2 hour a day.
35:28
I think just go to bed 1/2 hour earlier or meal prep good foods
35:33
so you're never down like like trying to scrap together some
35:37
food where you got to get, you know, get some fast food or
35:39
something like that. Those four things, the basics
35:43
are the most important and you're going to get 90 plus
35:45
percent of your recovery from those things.
35:49
So make sure you're doing those right.
35:51
It really, really does help, especially when you're building
35:54
volume and and it's hard again, I know it's hard to be perfect
36:00
on all of these things and this is actually a thing I want to
36:02
talk about discipline, which I'll I'll do an example of, but
36:07
it is really worth it and you have to do these things if you
36:10
want to achieve your goals, if you want to achieve your maximum
36:13
potential. I should say everyone has
36:15
different goals, but I really think these things are
36:17
important. So it an example, like I said,
36:22
I, I, I have a little, I have a little ankle going on trying to
36:26
figure it out. I won't get into it too in
36:28
depth, but I have some ankle exercises I've been doing and
36:31
two days of the last week I I didn't do them kind of tired.
36:35
End of the day I got to go and I just didn't end up doing them.
36:39
And do I think that that's going to set me back a ton?
36:42
No, I really, I really don't think it is.
36:45
I had a good run today, ankle was fine.
36:47
But it is just something when it comes to discipline.
36:52
If you have big goals, big ambitions, and that's what like
36:54
a lot of ultra runners do, just because the races in general are
36:58
huge, you need to do all these habits and continuously do them,
37:05
whether you feel like doing them or not.
37:06
And that's just like discipline. And the way that I think about
37:09
it, like, I don't know why I had this written down, but I'll just
37:12
talk about it. Somebody like a Tom Brady, when
37:15
you hear or like a LeBron James, the longevity in the sport, all
37:19
the things that they were doing, if you hear their routines and
37:22
what they did for decades straight, Tom Brady was like, I
37:26
just heard something recently. Obviously he's the GOAT.
37:29
So it's like, and maybe we'll do Patriot stock after this.
37:32
He's the GOAT, but it's like he had this his, you know, if you
37:36
believe in the TV 12, he was like, I've been taking
37:38
multivitamins every single day. Never miss a MA for 20 years.
37:41
I've been doing all this stretching, longevity, all these
37:45
things for my entire career. Every day you hear about LeBron
37:48
James when he first got into the league, he was stretching and
37:51
all these people like, what is this guy doing?
37:54
There are people who are willing to do those annoying things or
37:59
the the things that that just take a little bit of energy, but
38:02
it's hard to really do every single day.
38:04
There are people out there willing to do that every single
38:08
day. And those are like the greats
38:10
that you see in any, any aspect, any sport, any whatever.
38:15
And so for me, like last week, I trained really good.
38:19
I did lots of ankle exercise. I did, I ate good, I did all of
38:22
these things. It was a productive, good week
38:24
of training. But there are things that I
38:26
could have done a little bit more that I didn't.
38:30
And that's something that you have to kind of own up to and,
38:33
and think to yourself, am I doing everything I could be
38:37
doing? And be honest with yourself.
38:40
And I think that's where discipline comes in for a lot of
38:43
these things, a lot of these recovery things that I'm talking
38:45
that I talked about going, getting off your phone early,
38:48
going to bed early. It's just little things where
38:52
just so you know, you can never cheat yourself.
38:55
You can lie to everybody in the world.
38:56
You can say whatever you want, but you cannot lie to yourself.
39:01
And there are people who are willing to to do all those
39:05
things and, and never lie to themselves and say, I am doing
39:09
everything I can and they actually do everything they can.
39:12
And so that was just like a thing on discipline.
39:14
A lot of this stuff just takes a little bit of discipline.
39:17
You got to hold yourself accountable and you just got to
39:19
do it because it pays off. And there are people out there
39:24
doing more than you, even if you're like, no, I trained
39:27
really good this week. I trained really hard, did
39:28
everything I could. There's somebody who is, who is
39:30
a little bit more disciplined, who worked a little bit harder
39:33
than you out there. And that's just in the back of
39:35
your mind. Everyone's got different goals,
39:37
But if you got a goal that you're trying to win a race or
39:39
do whatever, just think, all right, if there's, it's probably
39:43
someone else who did those two ankle exercises, who's going to
39:46
recover a little bit faster and is going to have one extra good
39:48
week of training or good speed workout when I wasn't quite
39:51
ready. And if you do that a few times a
39:57
month, a dozen times every 2030 * a year, think about that
40:03
compounded over 10 years. That's how people get great.
40:07
So don't lie to yourself, be disciplined and and go after it.
40:14
OK, Oh, the, the Patriots talk. We'll do the Patriots talk
40:17
quick. I grew up in, in New England and
40:21
I grew up, my mom is a mega sports fan.
40:25
She, she grew up in Boston, watches all the sports.
40:29
So we always watch all the sports.
40:31
Grew up watching the Red Sox win the World Series.
40:34
I got some pictures of me with with like 20 Red Sox hats on all
40:38
different ways with sweater sweatshirts and all this stuff
40:41
when I was younger when they first won the World Series.
40:45
I've been here for the the Celtics, obviously the Patriots
40:48
run Bruins. I grew up around Boston sports
40:52
and obviously a lot of us are are a little bit privileged.
40:56
But I wouldn't call myself a mega sports mega New England
41:00
fan. Like I'm not over the moon.
41:02
I don't watch every game. I don't, I keep track of it a
41:05
ton. I like watching sports.
41:08
I wouldn't say I watch a ton of it.
41:09
I honestly listen to more part of my take podcast and like
41:12
people talking about sports than I do actually watching sports
41:16
because I do really love sports. I think sports are the best but
41:20
I'm not a mega fan. But when they get into the
41:22
playoffs, I'll, I'll start watching.
41:25
So I started watching. I'm on the bandwagon, whatever
41:28
you call it. If they lose, I'm not going to
41:30
be too upset about it. But if they when they're
41:32
winning, it's so cool. And the thing that has just
41:36
struck me so hard is Drake, is it Drake, Drake may, May or
41:41
Drake, Drake May, May. I don't know how you say it, but
41:45
this dude has New England on his back right now.
41:51
It rejuvenates this the the city, the Patriots in one year.
41:55
Well, obviously last year, you know, he was on the team, but I
41:58
mean, you can just feel it around New England.
42:00
It is insane what is happening and everyone's talking about it.
42:03
So I'm not going to just like go crazy on it.
42:05
But I've been watching a few games and it has just been
42:09
blowing my mind the things. So what was what was one of the
42:14
games? Yeah, I just watched a few games
42:16
this year and every game like May's just making these crazy
42:19
passes, looking insane, putting the beat down on teams.
42:23
And it's just every time makes a crazy throw.
42:25
You're like, Oh my God, people love this guy.
42:30
Everyone is on this guy's team. You see the the Instagram DMS
42:33
that Drake May There's like one thing where it's like, yeah,
42:38
what what your girls worried about your DMS being versus what
42:40
it actually is. And it's just some guy like last
42:43
year sending Drake may DMS of keep your head up king or
42:47
something like that. Yeah, what he's doing for the
42:50
city is incredible. And and I mean, I hope we just
42:54
blow out the Broncos. Who knows with with Stidham in
42:56
there and all the everyone thinks that patch should win.
42:59
But if we go to a Super Bowl, Oh my God, I mean, people are
43:05
already freaking out. But it is just it's fun to
43:07
watch. Just I love watching the games.
43:09
Everyone's in on it. So go Pats, go Drake, Drake May,
43:13
May, Drake, Drake May may. Don't know which one it is.
43:18
It's been fun to watch. It has been fun to watch.
43:21
OK, that was a Patriots talk and we're going to end this on some
43:25
deer hunting FA QS. So I've talked about it in a few
43:29
of the podcast so far. And so I'll just, I'll just
43:34
again give my like quick background.
43:36
I started, I was, I started hunting and fishing when I was
43:40
younger and I started deer hunting maybe when I was 1314,
43:47
like started going up with my dad a little bit.
43:49
I think I shot my first deer when I was 14 or 15.
43:52
And then since then I've, I think I've got about 30 deer
43:57
since then and about like, yeah, 151415 years.
44:01
So averaging a little over 2 deer every year.
44:04
Like I talked about fully a meat hunter, love venison.
44:09
I eat a ton of venison. That's like the staple of my
44:11
diet. And but I have like a good
44:14
amount of experience. Like there's lots of people that
44:16
are, that are much more experienced hunters.
44:18
But I, I've been doing it for a while and I have a lot of
44:20
experience and a lot of people in my life know that and they
44:24
always ask me questions because people, I think people don't
44:28
know much about it. And I think it's interesting the
44:30
crossover between trail runners and hikers and hunters because a
44:37
lot of the time they're sharing the same space, but the two
44:40
don't really know anything about each other.
44:42
And I don't think either sometimes neither group likes
44:45
the other counterpart. Maybe sometimes, let's say, but
44:51
so I'm going to do, I'm going to do a little bit of educational
44:54
deer hunting talk. So if you're a runner or a
44:57
hiker, stay tuned because I think these are we're going to
45:01
kind of premise it around around kind of like basic information
45:04
that that is I think of interest to you.
45:07
So the first thing I have is where can you hunt Rules vary by
45:12
state, but and New Hampshire's a little bit specific.
45:15
So I'll stay in New Hampshire and most of New England is like
45:18
this. If a piece of woods is not
45:21
posted, like with those yellow no no trespassing signs or
45:25
doesn't have no hunting rules or signs along it, it is legal for
45:30
people to go on and hunt and recreate on it, which is a
45:35
little bit different than a lot of the states.
45:38
You know, in the Midwest or whatever.
45:39
There's much more public land. And the reason is there's not a
45:42
lot of public land around here. There's you know, every town has
45:45
some parts of the land in the White Mountain National Forest,
45:48
it's all public land, but a lot of the non National Forest or
45:52
conservation land, it's just private.
45:56
And so that's kind of one of the reasons.
45:58
So anywhere that you can run and hike and you don't see no
46:01
hunting signs, people can hunt there.
46:05
So that's one thing to know. There are some rules about being
46:08
away from roads and dwellings, like a dwelling, a building, you
46:13
have to be about 100 yards away, which is not that far to be
46:16
honest. And trails, unless a town has a
46:19
certain bylaw on it, Conservation Commission has a
46:22
certain bylaw. Usually you could, people can
46:25
hunt along trails, which is not, we'll kind of talk about that,
46:29
but there's no boundaries for recreational trails.
46:32
There are boundaries for like roads, but it's only like 30
46:36
feet off of a road that you have to get.
46:38
So which is not, which is that's 10 yards, which is not so.
46:43
So I think people, a lot of the woods is legal to hunt, which is
46:49
something to know if if you're running in an area, people can't
46:52
hunt there. And so when is the hunting
46:54
season there are there are different, you know, species
46:57
that you can hunt for, But I think deer hunting is the the,
47:00
the most popular. So deer hunting is from
47:04
mid-september in New Hampshire to mid-december.
47:08
And a lot of people are like, oh wow, I didn't know that.
47:11
Most of that time is bow hunting only.
47:14
So for a month and a half, September to the end of October
47:17
is bow only. And a lot less people bow hunt.
47:21
The woods are a lot quieter. Obviously you don't hear bows.
47:23
And yeah, a lot less people do it.
47:26
So you don't really see a ton of people.
47:29
You don't have to wear orange in a lot of states during bow
47:33
season. So that's one thing where you
47:36
don't even see hunters because if they're wearing camo, they're
47:38
far in the woods. You probably don't see them as
47:40
easily, but they are out there. And then for deer hunting, the
47:44
regular firearm season is usually just most of November.
47:49
We have a muzzleloader season, which is like a one shot gun.
47:53
There are like the primitive muzzleloaders you got to put
47:56
around in with black powder. They're they're a lot better.
48:00
The technology's a lot better now.
48:01
So they shoot very good, but they're just, you just have one
48:06
shot that you're going to have to reload.
48:07
So it's not like just people shooting up the woods as much.
48:10
There's a season for that. And then it's regular gun season
48:13
during November and then into December a little bit and then
48:16
ends and that's it. In Southern New Hampshire and
48:20
and populated areas, there is a restriction that you cannot use
48:23
a rifle. So where I grew up, you can't
48:27
use a rifle in a lot of areas because the woods are so small.
48:30
There's not like big woods up north, so you have to use either
48:33
a shotgun or a muzzle loader. And then the other thing I want
48:37
to touch on when when it's hunting season, there is a
48:40
Turkey season in the fall, but also in the spring that happens
48:44
during May. So a lot of people don't know
48:46
that in May there are hunters in the woods and Turkey hunting is
48:51
a lot more moving around action. You don't have to work.
48:54
You don't wear camo because turkeys can actually see orange,
48:58
so you don't want to wear orange.
48:59
So lots of hunters are out there just in camo and they're moving
49:04
around, they're calling to animals.
49:05
Turkeys are very vocal gobbling hens and all these things.
49:09
So they're all is also danger of people in the woods there.
49:13
So you have to you have to be aware during that time of the
49:16
year as well. And like where can you hunt?
49:21
I personally, it's hard because in Southern New Hampshire, all
49:26
of the pieces of woods that are like conservation areas, town
49:30
known that you can kind of hike or run on, have lots of trails
49:33
on. They are also the only woods in
49:36
the area. So, so like that's the only
49:38
place that most people can go and hunt.
49:41
So there are more popular areas than others.
49:44
And I think hunting around a popular area with lots of
49:47
runners and trail hikers, I don't do it.
49:51
And I, I really try not to do it.
49:53
With a bow. It's a little bit different
49:55
because you can't really shoot a bow far.
49:56
But with a gun, you know, that goes a lot farther.
49:59
I think you have to be much more a cautious and I think 90% of
50:03
hunters are, but I think some hunters aren't.
50:06
And so, you know, it takes both parties to be aware of these
50:10
things to stay safe. But that is just something to be
50:15
aware of. And I think the difficult thing
50:18
about it is in Southern New Hampshire.
50:22
And we'll talk about the conservation a little bit
50:25
because hunting is the best form of conservation.
50:29
It's not just controlling animal populations, but it's also
50:32
collecting data on the animal populations and funding the
50:36
research to preserve wildlife and recreation areas as well.
50:43
So it's it's, you know, hunters are one of the biggest
50:46
conservationists. It some people may not believe
50:49
that, but as far as the money that they spend towards
50:52
conservation, it's totally it's, it's the main funding source for
50:58
all of these wildlife programs. So they definitely are doing
51:01
that, but you have to hunt animal populations to keep them
51:06
in check or they just take over landscapes.
51:09
They can destroy vegetation. They they mess up the ecologic,
51:13
each ecological functions of a, of an area, you have more deer
51:18
kills, more deer interfering with humans.
51:20
They affect crops, farming, all these things.
51:23
So you have to keep them in control.
51:24
And so you need people to hunt in these areas.
51:27
And that's why they allow bow hunting.
51:28
That's why they give extra tags in these areas.
51:32
But they have to be able to basically intermingle with other
51:38
trail users. And I think it's really just a
51:40
thing of education and making sure everyone is going about it
51:45
smart. So if it is a hunting season and
51:47
you are running or hiking around during dusk, I think you should
51:50
be wearing orange all the time. Because a lot of hunters, yeah,
51:54
but a lot of people don't. Every hunter should be aware of
51:57
their targets. But I think it is much easier
52:01
and to be honest, if you hear something in the woods, but you
52:05
can't see it yet. A lot of the time if a a hunter
52:08
will raise their gun and that are those are situations where
52:13
you never want to run into somebody who has a gun raised at
52:16
you, even if this the safety is on is and it's there.
52:20
And as soon as they see you, they put it down.
52:22
It is a it is nerve racking. And so I understand when people
52:26
are are uncomfortable with hunters in the woods, but in
52:29
some sense that they need to be out there.
52:30
They can be out there and it's just being aware.
52:34
And I think all hunters, if you know there was a trail around
52:37
you should not be in view or close to the trail.
52:41
I think that is another priority of a hunter and I think a lot of
52:45
people do that, one, because that's just not where the deer
52:48
are going to be or like animals are going to be a lot of the
52:50
times. But two, it's just like smart
52:52
and you don't want to put anyone in an uncomfortable situation.
52:56
That's my worst fear when I go out there.
52:58
I never, I don't like seeing people because one, I just don't
53:01
want to make them uncomfortable in the woods.
53:04
As soon as I see somebody in the woods, like anywhere like that,
53:08
because a lot of times you have to take a hiking trail in and
53:10
then you go into a different piece of the woods.
53:12
I always like put the gun straight at the down at the
53:15
ground, try to say hi, like let them know that I am not a bad
53:21
person because in the woods, even when I see a hunter, I am
53:26
immediately like, all right, I need to get the vibe of this
53:28
person. What is he doing with this gun?
53:29
What is he doing right now? Because guns are crazy things.
53:34
I'm not a a super big gun person.
53:36
I don't really know a lot about guns.
53:37
I only shoot the guns that get them sighted in and shoot, you
53:40
know, when I go hunting, I think they're kind of a hassle and
53:44
they're just not like one of my favorite things to be honest to
53:47
deal with. But anytime I go to shoot a gun,
53:50
you know, once a year or during hunting season, they are lethal
53:54
weapons and they need to be taken serious.
53:58
And, and that is obviously on the hunter.
54:02
And so I, you know, if you, if you're intimidated or whatever,
54:05
I, I totally understand. But just see how they're acting.
54:08
And honestly, for me, if I'm running on a trail and I see a
54:11
hunter, I just immediately usually just turn around and let
54:13
them be and and and go, unless they're like walking on the
54:16
trail and they're clearly like leaving or something tango to
54:18
like make a nice cohesive relationship.
54:21
But everyone uses recreation errors for different things.
54:25
So you have to just learn to how to kind of cohabitate.
54:30
And I think it's just education on both parts.
54:33
Deer hunting for conservation I. Talked about this a little bit.
54:36
I think there's lots of people who do a much better job
54:38
speaking about this, so I won't go too into depth, but Steven
54:41
Rinella is a good person. He's a a very good person.
54:45
He speaks very well. He's very well educated.
54:48
Go check out his views on kind of conservation as a whole.
54:54
And another thing too, that I kind of wanted to touch on.
55:00
I don't know how long we've been going 56.
55:06
Yeah, I'll go on a quick. I am a.
55:08
Meat hunter, like I said, and I I don't not that I don't
55:12
understand. I definitely understand some
55:14
people are just in it for trophy hunting.
55:17
But the one thing I do want to say is because I think on the
55:19
outside, a lot of people who are OK with hunting but don't like
55:23
the trophy hunting, trophy hunting is actually Steve
55:29
Rinella can talk. Better about this it is.
55:31
One of the other best forms of conservation, because those
55:35
people First off spend the most money.
55:38
They tend to spend the most amount of money.
55:41
And when they're going out, a lot of the time the people that
55:46
are going out kind of doing the trophy hunting thing are like
55:49
really going after like the biggest animals.
55:51
They are dedicated and spend way more time than the average
55:56
person. They actually respect and enjoy
56:02
the animal more than anyone could even fathom.
56:04
Like they put in so much energy, so much time to kill those
56:09
animals. You have to just put in a lot
56:11
more money and effort. And they are like the backbone
56:15
of the funding side of conservation and allowing other
56:20
animals to to mature and grow and only taking that mature
56:24
animal from the woods that is no longer like a as you know, the
56:28
peak breeding for a population. And so, yeah, people do a better
56:34
job of talking about this stuff, but don't knock trophy hunting
56:38
until you're educated on actually what it funds.
56:41
Because no matter the reason out there, a lot of these wildlife
56:45
programs need money and it's one of the best ways that they get
56:49
money. So that was all, all the thing
56:52
I'll say there. Next question I have, how many
56:55
deer can you shoot? And again, this is a crazy
56:59
question, 'cause when I tell people like, oh, I shot 5 deer
57:01
last year, they're like, how, how can you even do that?
57:04
Is that even legal? And they're, you know, First
57:07
off, every state. You can get different tags.
57:09
In every state and every state has different rules, but in New
57:13
England you're an hour from in. In New Hampshire, you're an hour
57:17
from Mass, you're an hour from Maine, you're an hour from
57:19
Vermont. So you can theoretically get
57:21
tags in all of those states, which is a cool opportunity that
57:25
other states don't have. But it also, yeah, it's it's
57:31
just a little bit unique, but it's just how how it runs for
57:34
us. Non residents have to pay a lot
57:36
more money than than residents, but in different states.
57:40
But it is a way to get a lot of different tags.
57:43
And then if you bow hunt, you usually get extra tags and then
57:47
different zones that have more deer that need the conservation.
57:51
You can get different doe tags or buck tags.
57:54
So there's lots of different tags that you can get.
57:57
And all these tags are wildlife biologists prescribe them per
58:02
areas, per states, per methods to conserve deer populations and
58:08
other populations. So if you see someone shooting a
58:10
lot of deer, usually it's totally legal.
58:15
What do you do with a deer after you shoot it?
58:19
This is a good question. I'll, I'll give you like a quick
58:21
rundown. When you first shoot a deer, you
58:24
have to field dress it, which is like removing some of the guts
58:29
from the animal, kind of like going into the carcass.
58:32
And you, you're allowed to leave that stuff in the woods.
58:36
And I think it's actually, it's not a ton of stuff.
58:38
It's just like the stomach and the entrails and like the
58:40
bladder and that kind of thing. But it is interesting because
58:44
you leave that stuff in the woods and it's kind of like a
58:46
mess everywhere. Most of the time you go back
58:48
there in a day or two and coyotes or birds or whatever,
58:53
foxes, anything in the air, scavengers clean it up and you
58:56
would never know that there was a deer butcher direct field
58:59
dressed right there, which is kind of crazy.
59:02
So it's not wasting any of the meat or anything.
59:04
It just goes back into the ecosystem.
59:08
So that's the first thing you do and then I mean, you got to drag
59:12
it out, which is obviously, which is honestly the biggest
59:15
exercise that a lot of a lot of hunters get.
59:19
But dragging a deer out of the woods, especially if you're a
59:22
mile, a couple miles back in is a hall.
59:26
I mean, it's obviously like a very rewarding thing to do, but
59:29
it definitely, I'm thankful that I'm more in shape now doing
59:32
endurance running because it makes the drags a lot easier,
59:35
but they're still hard. But then you got to bring it
59:38
home and you have to check it in.
59:43
Usually you have to bring it into a check station.
59:45
You can do it online too nowadays.
59:47
But you check it in, which gives all the data about the deer,
59:51
where you got it, how you got it, all of these things to the
59:53
state. And then you have to butcher it.
59:57
A lot of people send it to a butcher, and there's lots of
59:59
places that will do kind of a, you know, deer butchering during
1:00:02
the fall. But since I've been hunting, we
1:00:06
always butcher it at home. And so I think this is like the
1:00:10
biggest thing that I take pride in in hunting.
1:00:13
And I said this before, I think it's a favorite activity that I
1:00:15
do with my father, 'cause he's, my dad's pretty much taught me
1:00:18
how to do all this stuff. And we are like a factory
1:00:23
butchering deer now. Like we know exactly what to do.
1:00:26
It's just like a nice thing in the fall.
1:00:28
We're just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
1:00:29
When one person needs help unspoken, the other person just
1:00:33
comes over, holds the thing or whatever, and then they go back
1:00:35
to it. If one person's stuck on
1:00:37
something, they don't want to do it anymore, the other person
1:00:39
comes in. So we have a good system down.
1:00:41
We've done a ton of deer and butchering a deer yourself when
1:00:47
you bring it to a butcher, you know I don't want to.
1:00:50
Some butchers are great, I'm sure, but sometimes they throw
1:00:53
it in with other people's deer. You don't know how the other
1:00:56
person treated that deer. If they left it in their truck
1:00:58
bed for a little bit, you don't know about the meat.
1:01:01
Is this my deer? Is this somebody else's deer?
1:01:03
How did you? It's a whole thing, but when,
1:01:05
when I we bring it home and do it ourselves, just in the
1:01:08
garage, you see the deer, you see the whole process from start
1:01:12
to finish. If I'm going to kill an animal
1:01:15
for meat, I should be able to obviously want, you know, if I'm
1:01:19
I feel like kill the animal, take care of it, but then see
1:01:23
the whole process through and give respect to the animal and
1:01:26
like give it the you know, I take care of the meat like it's
1:01:28
gold. So we bring it home, we butcher
1:01:34
it up. We take any of the fat, any of
1:01:36
the tendons, any of this stuff, the gunk that you can get like
1:01:40
in a lot of factory farming. I'm not a huge factory farming
1:01:43
obviously fan. I do eat beef sometimes, like I
1:01:46
wish I could just eat 100% grass fed beef all the all the time
1:01:50
I've been on kicks where I do if I need beef or like a burger or
1:01:54
whatever, I go out for a burger or something.
1:01:56
But sometimes it's just not practical if you don't have
1:01:58
oodles of money. But yeah, there's some stuff.
1:02:03
In that meat that I just. Don't agree with in the in the
1:02:06
things that they do. It's just they don't live in a
1:02:07
good environment. But the meat of like a a deer in
1:02:10
the wild. It lived a beautiful life in
1:02:14
nature eating all all just natural foods.
1:02:17
I clean it up so there's no gross stuff in it.
1:02:21
It's just pure, beautiful, dark red, real, no fat meat and it's
1:02:29
the best. And when you get a huge tub of
1:02:32
2040 sixty 80 lbs of just beautiful venison, it's just
1:02:38
really rewarding. And then when I eat it all year
1:02:40
round, it's it's super rewarding.
1:02:42
So that's one thing. And a lot of people like I have
1:02:45
try venison. You put some seasoning on it.
1:02:48
Like I always have people just try ground venison to start, put
1:02:51
some seasoning on it, put it in a Taco.
1:02:53
They actually some people like it better because it doesn't
1:02:55
have all that fatty gross stuff that that beef can have or other
1:02:59
kind of meats can have. So don't knock until you try it.
1:03:04
Yeah. And it's just, it's just really
1:03:06
the good to meet. So that's, that's pretty much
1:03:07
the process of what happens when you get a deer.
1:03:11
And then the last thing I, I will talk about, which I think
1:03:14
is important, the dedic and I've talked about this recently and
1:03:17
I, I don't want to put a negative aspect on some hunters,
1:03:21
like most hunters are, are awesome people.
1:03:23
I love talking to them. There's just a small amount of
1:03:26
people that you see beer cans in the woods.
1:03:29
They're the way they talk about hunting.
1:03:33
You just can't really mess with or I don't mess with.
1:03:38
There are some people like that for sure, but the majority are
1:03:41
not like that. And and for me, and this is kind
1:03:47
of a thing, I thought about a. Lot when I got.
1:03:49
Into running and I would I'm kind of like a person like that.
1:03:53
I'm going to talk about now. I dedicate so much time and
1:03:57
energy to running every single day, hours training, eating
1:04:01
right, recovery, all of these things.
1:04:03
And you can't even fathom with some, you know, how much some
1:04:06
people train and dedicate and just like love getting out.
1:04:12
There are hunters and woodsmen that spend that exact same
1:04:16
amount of energy in the woods or, or on their hunting goals,
1:04:21
which is is so insane to think about that if you, let's say you
1:04:25
run for on average, you run for an hour or two every single day.
1:04:29
There is a hunter that spends his time walking, scouting,
1:04:33
looking for animals, trying to find animals for an hour or two
1:04:38
every single day. Even if they have a full time
1:04:40
job, even if whatever. There are people that will spend
1:04:43
all of hunting season, dark to dark in the woods, hunting,
1:04:48
doing, doing that stuff. And I just think it is so
1:04:54
insane, those people. Are if you talk to.
1:04:59
Them they talk about hunting like I talk about endurance
1:05:05
training or or talk about training or ultra running.
1:05:09
I'll listen to podcasts. I actually enjoy listening to a
1:05:11
podcast where people will spend 2 hours talking about a certain
1:05:17
situation. If you're hunting deer on a
1:05:20
hillside with a Leeward wind with thick cover, how do those
1:05:26
deer adjust when the wind switches?
1:05:29
People will spend 2 hours talking about that theorizing.
1:05:34
What have I seen? What have I, I noticed in all of
1:05:37
my time in my years out there. It's like they talk about it
1:05:41
like it's a science. The the greatest woodsmans are
1:05:45
there's a Killian Jornay of woodsmen where they walk into a
1:05:50
woods and they know what kind of animal animals have been there,
1:05:54
what kind of things have happened.
1:05:55
Like to an extent that I actually, I couldn't even tell
1:05:58
you guys and those people I think are some.
1:06:01
Of the coolest. People out there because it's
1:06:04
it's it is so insane and I think.
1:06:08
You know, a lot of like the. Podcasting and videos, there's a
1:06:10
lot of videos now out there, so you can't listen to these
1:06:12
people, but I think the dedication of hunting and
1:06:16
woodsmanship is something that that at least.
1:06:22
Know is out there. And, and appreciate if you ever
1:06:25
meet somebody who, who, who is like that.
1:06:27
And for me, I think I've realized in life you only get
1:06:32
maybe a, a few things that you can become a master in.
1:06:36
And I think I've chosen, I want that to be mountain running,
1:06:40
ultra running. And then I think when I turn
1:06:43
maybe 4010 years from now, a dozen years from now, I would
1:06:47
like to just spend all of my time in the woods and see what I
1:06:50
can learn about creatures in the habitat and try to become a
1:06:55
master woodsman. But I, I literally realize that
1:06:58
I cannot do that right now while I'm training how I'm training
1:07:03
because it takes so much time and dedication that I just don't
1:07:07
have available. So it's kind of cool.
1:07:11
I wanted to give that a shout out to all the the dedicated
1:07:15
hunters and woodsman. And the last note that I do have
1:07:18
is, and I said this kind of like about bow hunting and I said
1:07:21
about, you know, being out there with other hunters in the woods.
1:07:28
If you see a hunter in the woods, especially if they have a
1:07:32
bow, because bow hunting is so hard, most people fail at it.
1:07:35
A lot of people don't succeed. And if someone is bow hunting,
1:07:39
they're either wicked smart and really good hunters or they just
1:07:43
love getting out in the woods. If you see a hunter, even with a
1:07:47
gun and you're comfortable with it or a bow, go and talk to
1:07:50
them. Ask them, Oh, did you see
1:07:52
anything? How's how's your season going?
1:07:55
Have you seen anything? And they will probably tell you
1:07:57
stories that will open your eyes and be like, wow, this isn't
1:08:01
this person is not just like a murderer.
1:08:04
This person is. They know the woods almost like
1:08:07
I know X trails or I know X mountains.
1:08:11
And they'll tell you things that they didn't that, that, that you
1:08:14
did not know. So if you see somebody strike up
1:08:17
a conversation, a hunter in the woods, say hi, make them feel
1:08:21
good. Because when I, when I talk to
1:08:23
someone, I always try to talk to somebody.
1:08:25
When someone's like, oh, cool. And they asked me about it, it's
1:08:28
like a huge relief off my shoulders.
1:08:31
And I'll tell them what I know. And I think it's just, yeah,
1:08:35
hunters and and and trail runners and hikers should,
1:08:38
should conversate more because they have a lot more in common
1:08:42
than you think that they would. And so that, yeah, that was
1:08:48
kind. Of my some, some of the.
1:08:49
Hunting stuff, some things that I want to get out.
1:08:51
I wanted to get out there. I could do another thing.
1:08:54
I kind of want to talk about where your dear live, but maybe
1:08:57
that's for another podcast, because that's a whole nother
1:09:00
thing. Like I could talk about a lot of
1:09:01
the the hunting stuff for a long time, but I think we're going to
1:09:04
cut it there today. Thanks for for tuning in episode
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20. I'm excited.
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Like I said, we got another guest coming on soon.
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I hope I I'm in the guests are in the works.
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More content is in the works is the middle of winter, but I'm
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still coming at you. I'm still in the truck bed
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braving it out and we'll we're still doing it.
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So if you get out this weekend, stay warm.
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If not, grind indoors. RIP the podcast.
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We'll plug at the end. Hopefully you RIP the podcast.
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If you listen to this on treadmill or something, you just
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finished an indoor workout. Hats off.
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Like thank you for listening. Nice.
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You got after on the dreadmill and yeah, that's all I got for
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you guys. We'll see you next week.
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Peace. Aside from being able.
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To recover more. Oops, sorry.
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This might. This might.
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Be a a double take cut where we that I actually have to cut out
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what am I trying to say aside from yeah aside honestly, this
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would be funny to kind of believe in.
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I put a, I'm not going to say anything.
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I I want to start putting bloopers in at the end of these
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podcast potentially. This is not what I want.
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Bookcase. Here we go.
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OK.