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Nancy Grace Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: force behind CNN Headline News to operated Nancy Grace. She
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Speaker 1: which was renewed for a second season. She's the found
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Speaker 1: that investigates breaking crime news, highlights miss in people, and
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Speaker 1: help solve unsolved homicides. The iconic legal commentator and TV
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Speaker 1: journalist is on the show today to discuss her new book,
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Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Fighting back against America's crime Wave,
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Speaker 1: fighter Nancy Grace. Wow, that was some intro. I'm very flattered,
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Speaker 1: but I'm also very honored today on with you, and
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Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me. Well, thank you for coming
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Speaker 1: on the show. Because I have a twenty three yeard
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Speaker 1: daughter and and i've and so I raised her in
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Speaker 1: the Nancy Grace era. Okay, watching you taking that advice,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And my wife always say, well,
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Speaker 1: I said, look, look we're not gonna do it in
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Speaker 1: the Nacey aggressive, we shouldn't do that. And so when
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Speaker 1: I when I got to this book, it was kind
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Speaker 1: of like a journey down memory lane for me and
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Speaker 1: watching your career because you've always been open, You've always
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Speaker 1: been honest about your passion for making sure we don't
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Speaker 1: make the mistake or even the mistake that you have made,
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Speaker 1: because you've told us you've made mistakes, and people around
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Speaker 1: you have made mistake. What was the what was the
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Speaker 1: core reason for writing this particular book. You know, um,
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Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I'll tell you why. Because
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Speaker 1: I want to change the world. I want to make
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Speaker 1: a difference. And yes, trying to find missing people, especially children,
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Speaker 1: trying to solve unsolved phramicides, trying to figure out cold cases,
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Speaker 1: I guess that does make a difference. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: I was used to getting immediate gratification when I tried cases.
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Speaker 1: I would work, work, work, just beat the streets to
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Speaker 1: get all the witnesses, all the information, all the evidence,
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Speaker 1: like too, take it to jury, and by the end
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Speaker 1: of the trial, be it three days or three weeks
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Speaker 1: or three months, I'd have an answer, right m h.
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Speaker 1: Not so when you're on TV, not so when you're
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Speaker 1: on radio, not so when you're writing articles for your website.
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Speaker 1: You never really really know if you have an impact.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to do more. Therefore, I wanted to take
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Speaker 1: all those years of investigating, all those years of covering
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Speaker 1: cases and try to make a difference. And that's what
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Speaker 1: I did with the book. And you really did. You
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Speaker 1: really did. And the sad part because you documented the
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Speaker 1: book with actual stories. And the reason I like that
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Speaker 1: is because a lot of people you give people advice
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Speaker 1: and they kind of blow you off. I'm just not
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Speaker 1: saying you, I'm just sending in general, you can hold
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Speaker 1: up before you blow me off. And reading this book,
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Speaker 1: here's a true story, and this is what happened to
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Speaker 1: these people. And I think that was really key strategy
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Speaker 1: and putting together this book. Correct, Oh, it really is here.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Um. You know, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you noticed this, but did you notice that christ always
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Speaker 1: talked in parable? You know why? Because I can understand them,
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Speaker 1: even me, I get it. I may not understand what
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Speaker 1: he was saying, but if it weren't for those parable,
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Speaker 1: but I would try to explain the law to a jury,
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Speaker 1: I would use it examples. For instance, when I explained
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Speaker 1: circumstantial events, I would say, you go in your office
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Speaker 1: building building. It's bright and bright and shiny outside. But
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Speaker 1: by the end of the day, by the time you
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Speaker 1: come out of your building, you see women rushing by,
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Speaker 1: hugging their raincoats to their chest. You see people running
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Speaker 1: by with umbrellas. You notice pools of water on the sidewalk.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to see the storm to know that
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Speaker 1: it rained. That's a circumstantial evidence Okay, So when I
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Speaker 1: started writing the book, I thought, how can I explain
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Speaker 1: and help people based on what I've learned through all
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Speaker 1: the cases I prosecuted, all the cases I've covered. The
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Speaker 1: only way is to give an example. You really and
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Speaker 1: they were really good about. The sad part about it
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Speaker 1: is that this is just a few of many stories
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Speaker 1: you could have put in the book. That's the really
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Speaker 1: tragic part about this is that this was not like
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Speaker 1: a rare These are not rare stories. These are stories
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Speaker 1: that you chose that you could. You can you can consolidate,
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Speaker 1: get to the beginning middle of in real fast. But
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Speaker 1: there's so many stories out there that could have filled
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Speaker 1: these pages. And there's a wonderful read. I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. He's on the show talking about her new book,
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Speaker 1: Fantastic Book. It officially comes out September twenty second, but
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Speaker 1: you can buy the book early. That's what we're doing
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Speaker 1: this show. We promote early. Go out there and pre
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Speaker 1: purchased the book. So when could be number one for
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Speaker 1: I have a book number one on number one for
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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller, Don't Be a Victim Fighting Back
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Speaker 1: against America's crime waves. Some book don't be a victim
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Speaker 1: fighting back against America's crime. Way. Here's something they want
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Speaker 1: to tell you something else, Mom, I wanna tell you
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Speaker 1: something else, something funny, and something calling. Yet, when you
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Speaker 1: were saying all this is based on so many true stories,
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Speaker 1: and that there were so many more I could have
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Speaker 1: put in there, this is this is a funny anecdote.
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Speaker 1: When I was writing the book, I remember all those
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Speaker 1: nights in the dark studio, I would say, so and
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Speaker 1: so's missing. We're on the lookout for let me just
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Speaker 1: say a blue hunt day. We're all lookout for of
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Speaker 1: white many fans. But I had so many examples writing
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Speaker 1: the book that they finally said, hey, you've got you've
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Speaker 1: got too many examples. We're gonna have to cull it back.
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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna have to do volume two. So
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Speaker 1: I actually have to cut out examples because there were
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Speaker 1: so many examples, and also a real reason I want
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Speaker 1: and hope people do pre order the book because not
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Speaker 1: only is it a testament for people like your twenty
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Speaker 1: three year old daughter about how to live pre but say,
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Speaker 1: I don't like rules put on me, but I want
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Speaker 1: my daughter to be safe too. But I'm donating money
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Speaker 1: to help find missing children out of the proceeds of
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Speaker 1: this book, and I just want that out there. Well
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Speaker 1: it was now might help promote that because of the
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Speaker 1: fact that because like I when I said in your intro,
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Speaker 1: you're a true crime fighter and this book is about
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Speaker 1: it's about this books Like to me, I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: that this just use the word bible of information that
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Speaker 1: you give this You go from cruise ships to r vs,
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Speaker 1: two hotels, to two schools, to two jobs, to getting
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Speaker 1: on the elevator. It was just it was just a
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Speaker 1: voluble information going Wow, she's gonna cover this too, She's
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Speaker 1: gonna cover this too. But I want to just lighten
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Speaker 1: up the story a little before we get deeper by
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Speaker 1: you have twins and then reading this book John David.
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Speaker 1: John David is gonna give you a heart attack. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna give your heart It started in the drug store
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Speaker 1: when he went into the toy section, and then he
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Speaker 1: was reading Nicholas of All the Online Predator, and then
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Speaker 1: on the cream ship when he left and he was
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Speaker 1: running out dragging little Lucy round that cruise ship trying
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Speaker 1: to find that boy. That boy is going to be
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Speaker 1: the death of you. Nancy, Greg I'm always dragging Lucy
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Speaker 1: to find John David. But yet I telled John David,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, you put that on my grade's Lucy.
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Speaker 1: I've always say where's Lucy? But John David is really
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Speaker 1: the one at least on all these wild juice chases.
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Speaker 1: And yes, I use them, and honey, I watched them
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Speaker 1: like a hawk. I try not to let them know.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, mom, is that a n an Account'm
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Speaker 1: like no, yeah. I laughed so hard because because I
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Speaker 1: was like, that's me, that's me with my little daughter.
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Speaker 1: My wife would say, you're just so parao. Because you know,
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Speaker 1: the interesting thing about it, Nancy, is that, see, we
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Speaker 1: are in the media. You know, I'm in the media
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Speaker 1: just like you, but not as detail because you're in
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Speaker 1: the crime fighting. You get information I don't get. But
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Speaker 1: we're still aware and that awareness can I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: use word parent and paranoid, but it does make us
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Speaker 1: aware that, okay, that could actually happen, and so we
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Speaker 1: see things differently. We approached bully situation a little bit early,
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Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive. If we see it happening,
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Speaker 1: We're just not gonna let this play out. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: nip this in the bud right now, and you talk
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Speaker 1: about that in the book, and so it's really important
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Speaker 1: with it when you when I when I promote the
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Speaker 1: people to buy this book, because like I said, it's
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Speaker 1: a safety safety book, I'm gonna buy this book and
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Speaker 1: have my twenty three year old daughter read it because
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Speaker 1: it's not just about school age kids. It's about life,
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Speaker 1: going to the malls, walking into parks, going to stand
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Speaker 1: in hotels, going on results cruise ships, all this information.
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Speaker 1: How did you, first of all, this is a TV show,
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Speaker 1: by the way, how did you managed to pull all
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Speaker 1: these information together without losing your mind? Nancy? Well, some
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Speaker 1: whould argue I have lost my mind, but I always
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Speaker 1: say I'm not paranoid that people are trying to hurt
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Speaker 1: my children. Absolutely they are. They are, and they're not
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Speaker 1: charging just my children. They're targeting any child. And here's
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Speaker 1: the kicker. By the time someone is caught and apprehended,
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Speaker 1: the child lost station, they have molested literally hundreds of times.
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Speaker 1: That's how prevalent it is. And these people, it's not
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Speaker 1: some prov at the edge of the park in a raincoat.
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Speaker 1: It's people that you come in contact with at your church,
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Speaker 1: at your Scout ship, but here and there, how I
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Speaker 1: need to When my twins got into Scouts, you know
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Speaker 1: I had to become a volunteer and go and camp
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Speaker 1: with them at Scout camp to make sure nothing happened.
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that the Scouts or some of
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Speaker 1: the greatest people I've ever met. And maybe next year
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Speaker 1: I'll let them go without mommy camping in a tent
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Speaker 1: twenty feet away. Yes, yes, I know what you're thinking,
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Speaker 1: but I did it. And not only that, I made
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Speaker 1: my husband, who's to work on all it like you
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Speaker 1: take off work for a week and also dough. So yes,
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Speaker 1: it may sound paranoid to some people, but like you
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Speaker 1: and me, we read it every day and I react
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Speaker 1: and I don't want these things to happen to other people.
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Speaker 1: How many times have I left a victims home because
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't just meet him at the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to their home. I want to
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Speaker 1: see who they live. I want to sit down and
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Speaker 1: talk to them. I want to look at the baby
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Speaker 1: photo albums. I want to know it all. And I
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Speaker 1: walk out of that home and I feel the weight
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Speaker 1: of the world on me, trying to figure out how
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Speaker 1: can I help this family. All I could do then
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Speaker 1: was to get a true vertict in court to give
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Speaker 1: them some sense of judice. But now with this book,
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Speaker 1: maybe I can't present them from ever being a victims.
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Speaker 1: And that's really important. And you said something about camp
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Speaker 1: and uh when in the middle of a pandemic, as
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Speaker 1: this interview is happening, and you created a downloadable chapter
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Speaker 1: and you said it's free. Correct, they can download coronavirus crops.
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Speaker 1: How could I thank you? First of all, thank you
12:28
Speaker 1: because this is not something that kind of like a throwaway.
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Speaker 1: This is very detailed that she's provided to us, and
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Speaker 1: that's a testament to your personality. That's a testament to
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Speaker 1: what you're trying to do for us. And before you
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Speaker 1: get in detail, I don't want to miss and say
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Speaker 1: because I read it, and I read that I way,
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Speaker 1: because I do a lot of COVID Nateen interviews. I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of like a pandemic expert when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the COVID Nateen, the cares Act and the family response acting.
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Speaker 1: So I know when I read stuff, I go, wow,
12:54
Speaker 1: she put some time into this and it's free. So
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Speaker 1: but but with with that being said, it there is
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Speaker 1: a need for it and tell us, tell us everybody
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Speaker 1: why there's an important need to they download this bonus
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Speaker 1: chapter that's free. Yeah, it is free, and you can
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Speaker 1: find it at crime online dot com. You can find
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Speaker 1: it on dr Oz's site. You can find that at
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Speaker 1: has Shad, the book publishing site for free. Because I
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Speaker 1: had just turned the book into the publisher and it
13:23
Speaker 1: was a long time researching and writing that book. I
13:27
Speaker 1: do my own research. I write it myself and I
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Speaker 1: don't have a ghostwriter. I write it um. Then after
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Speaker 1: I did that, I started audio recording and I did
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Speaker 1: my own audio recording of it too. Then COVID broke out.
13:43
Speaker 1: COVID broke out, The book had already gone to publishers,
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Speaker 1: and I thought, I want this out now. I can't
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Speaker 1: wait for the book to come out in September. COVID's
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Speaker 1: happening now. So I got busy. I rewrote another. I've
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Speaker 1: got a thirty page chapter, very detailed about COVID crimes.
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Speaker 1: So not only are people fighting for their lives, losing
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Speaker 1: their jobs, worrying about their families, Who's gonna catch COVID?
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Speaker 1: Your children? Then I go send them back in school.
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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen. Not only have to worry about that,
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Speaker 1: you have to worry about COVID crimes, people taking advantage
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Speaker 1: of other people during the COVID pandemic, which I think
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Speaker 1: is the worst of the worst. It really is. And
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Speaker 1: I because like I said, I'm out tell on the media,
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Speaker 1: they asked me for my advice, and I talked about
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. And it's really sad when we have what's
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Speaker 1: happening right now with the checks to maybe ending this
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Speaker 1: week until the Congress is size to uh do stimulus
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Speaker 1: package too. But the details of this book, of this
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Speaker 1: downloadable chapter are incredible. You talk about door to door coronavirus,
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14:55
Speaker 1: you know, there's no cure. I was talking to my wife,
14:57
Speaker 1: I was saying, I will tell us that there really
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Speaker 1: isn't a cute. And so when people go in to hospital,
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Speaker 1: you know, they're really like just trying to sustain themselves
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Speaker 1: and survive the process because technically there isn't a vaccine
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Speaker 1: or a like some like Nike wail you can give
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Speaker 1: somebody if they got the cold of the flu. They
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Speaker 1: have nothing like that. And so this book is kind
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Speaker 1: avoid issues out there when it comes to coronavirus crime,
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Speaker 1: not that door to door the fraudsters. There were some
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Speaker 1: things in here that that just really blew me away.
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Speaker 1: The perel pirates. Can you go in detail about that? Oh,
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Speaker 1: And another thing that really got off with me is
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Speaker 1: fact that people sometimes expect miracles. Sometimes people come to
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Speaker 1: did resource of it, or you didn't solve it. But
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Speaker 1: It's broken down into parts like how do I protect
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Speaker 1: my child, which which we knew was gonna be in there.
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Speaker 1: Then it goes to protecting yourself. That part right there
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Speaker 1: was a phenomenal section for me. That's part two, and
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Speaker 1: then part three, travel safe, don't be a statistic, and
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Speaker 1: then the part five protecting our Elderly. Of all these
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Speaker 1: parts in the book, what was the most most emotionally
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Speaker 1: charged for you? I know you have the twins, so
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know protecting your child had a
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Speaker 1: me sit up in my chair, going wow, I never
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Speaker 1: even thought about this. Talk to me, Nancy, Well, I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you something in addition to the twins now,
21:27
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21:35
Speaker 1: and she is certainly a handful um. But I think
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Speaker 1: at eighty nine years old. She is, But I think
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Speaker 1: of someone trying to take advantage of her or hurt
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Speaker 1: her or scam her. And it's happened. She has been
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Speaker 1: scammed online and it just you know, how low can
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Speaker 1: you go to attack or scam? And a little old lady,
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Speaker 1: a little old man. I mean, how could you. But
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Speaker 1: people they're like, um, you know in the jungle, they
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Speaker 1: see the weakest person, a child or the elderly, or
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Speaker 1: that's who they target. So that's how that got anybody.
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Speaker 1: Gotta tell you something, what really gets to me? What?
22:25
Speaker 1: What was the most poignant part of the book was
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Speaker 1: I'm a crime victim. My fiance was martyred shortly before
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Speaker 1: our wedding and it changed my life. His life ended
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Speaker 1: and my world exploded. But little known it took me
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Speaker 1: over twenty years after Keith's murder to try again, and
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Speaker 1: I married David. But then when I had the twins,
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Speaker 1: it was like my life changed again and I finally
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Speaker 1: really out like I could rust something, and if anything
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Speaker 1: ever happened to them, I really don't think I could
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Speaker 1: stand it. And other mothers and fathers feel the same way.
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Speaker 1: And when I write each one of these stories, I
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Speaker 1: can't help it. I think about them, and that is
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Speaker 1: what I would this book. Even writing it got me
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Speaker 1: so upset. I remembered all these parents, all these families,
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Speaker 1: all these victims, families that I would talk to over
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Speaker 1: the course of this time, and it really, really brought
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Speaker 1: my heart, but I know it's a story that has
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Speaker 1: to be told. You know, here's the fifth of stat
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Speaker 1: that came out of me. You know, you you know
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Speaker 1: the thing about this book is it has it filled
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Speaker 1: with so many stads, so many pointed stories, so many
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Speaker 1: relatible information. I was just going to share some of
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Speaker 1: the things, but she comes out of the very top
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Speaker 1: in the chapter how do I Protect my child? Nearly
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Speaker 1: child kidnappings are related to schools, bus stops, and school routes.
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Speaker 1: That were scared me because reaching to scared me because
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Speaker 1: these things right here the frustrating part of about it.
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Speaker 1: They can leave a parent if they become a victim,
24:24
Speaker 1: into a long series of what else? And that's the
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Speaker 1: tragic part about these timelines. Correct, Oh, it really is.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you how up into the twins school?
24:37
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Speaker 1: drive through there at different times of the day, throughout
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Speaker 1: the week, out in the car and about Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: I know it may sound a little bit overboard to
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Speaker 1: from my whole legal career, it's the least I can
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Speaker 1: do to try to keep tabs on them and keep
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Speaker 1: them safe. Well, you know, I wanted just that's why
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Speaker 1: you should read. That's how important this book is. And
25:33
Speaker 1: more importantly about this book is that she shines a
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Speaker 1: light on don't create conference zone for yourself. Or you
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Speaker 1: feel it's all right, you can drop your guard because
25:43
Speaker 1: she mentions, you know, especially in kids, where attack can
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Speaker 1: happen in brand name places like McDonald's, not like Chick
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Speaker 1: fil a, not that she's trying to shine a negative
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Speaker 1: light on it. She's just letting you know that in
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Speaker 1: this world that we live in, you cannot be comfortable,
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Speaker 1: especially with your children, especially with yourself. When you at
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Speaker 1: a fancy, high faluting mall and you think, hey, crime,
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Speaker 1: it never happened over here. Well, you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be the person that the crime happens to because you
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Speaker 1: you resonated throughout the each page, and it came across
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Speaker 1: thank you for doing that because that was important to me,
26:21
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Speaker 1: reel and that read about the little girl Nicole, the
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Speaker 1: little track storeboard David Eisenhower. I went, wow, these stories
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about? She was just keep keep keep,
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Speaker 1: and she had lifted so much statistically medically she shouldn't lift.
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Speaker 1: the little girl thought she had a boyfriend. And this
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Speaker 1: he killed a little girl. He killed her, and that's it.
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Speaker 1: little little John David and Nicholas of our story where
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Speaker 1: over his shoulder and he Mommy, don't be looking over
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Speaker 1: my show you will m this, Nancy Grace, I mean
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Speaker 1: your mom what you what you read in their phone?
27:43
Speaker 1: And that's what we have to do with our kids.
27:45
Speaker 1: We have to evade their privacies sometimes, Miss Grace. Let
27:49
Speaker 1: me tell you what happened the other day. We're all
27:52
Speaker 1: anti camping, we're all about and like my my daughter Lucy,
27:57
Speaker 1: I told you she's a scout. I don't mean to
27:59
Speaker 1: kind of go out and old cookies. She goes out
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Speaker 1: in camp. You can pitch a tent, you can start
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Speaker 1: a fire, no works. So anyway, even now I'm on
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Speaker 1: John David. That's what he has done. He has set
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Speaker 1: in his bedroom and he will get in it and
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Speaker 1: watch his screen from the hammock. So I can't see
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Speaker 1: what he's watching. So long story short, I said, what
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Speaker 1: do you watch his son? And he said some Japanese name.
28:30
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dear lord, I thought it's Japanese pornography.
28:35
Speaker 1: Well guess what it is. It's anime, right, my daughter
28:39
Speaker 1: does that. Yes, sci fi anime thriller, kind of like Marville.
28:46
Speaker 1: But okay, so once again I've called him being good. Right, Well,
28:51
Speaker 1: you know he's he's a he's a funny uh. Trail
28:54
Speaker 1: through the book because of the fact that it reminds
28:56
Speaker 1: me just talks about your parenting, and I think that
28:58
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. You just a one person.
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29:06
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Speaker 1: book shifts. Now the first part one, Part two is
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Speaker 1: really about your child. Part two on got to the
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Speaker 1: adult side of the book, which I really like. Why
29:28
Speaker 1: was it important to do the you know, the protecting
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Speaker 1: yourself travel safe? Because part one in part two becauld's
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Speaker 1: been a separate book by itself, Nancy. But then you
29:37
Speaker 1: say you're something. I'm gonna give them a book that
29:39
Speaker 1: when they walk and talk anybody. The teenager can have
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29:55
Speaker 1: um that they comes that I've represented in court, I've
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30:09
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30:13
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Speaker 1: the other day. Um, you know. I work on my
30:25
Speaker 1: Hallmark movies and they are born out of character I created.
30:31
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30:36
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Speaker 1: frat party. She was so afraid for her son. And
31:13
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31:18
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31:24
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31:28
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31:42
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31:43
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