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E258: Prayer Solves Crimes: How Police Are Finding Missing Children w/Dano McCollam | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  Police officer in our church and he said I have two missing
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  children and he said I don't have a single clue.
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  And we prayed and we got some clues.
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  They went there, checked it out and they were holding the child
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  and we gave the other set of clues and the other child was
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  also rescued within 24 hours. Two of these guys we prayed for
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  had a resurrection. One of them's on the way home.
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  Wait a minute. Yeah, he still has a scar all
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  the way around his neck. Complete recovery.
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  That happened seven days ago, if you.
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  Read the lives of the Saints throughout history.
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  Stuff like this happens. The challenge is never getting
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  God to speak. The challenge is recognizing all
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  the ways He's already speaking. Can police help track down
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  missing persons with tips from prayer groups?
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  And can the claims of supernatural healings, miracles
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  and prophecy in the Bible be witnessed in contemporary times?
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  That's the question that Dano McCollum asked himself as he
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  studied miracles from Christian history.
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  And he decided to put faith and prayer into action.
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  Now, he has incredible stories of how prayer teams help rescue
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  and save the lives of missing people, and in some cases, help
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  Dano McCullum, welcome to the podcast.
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  Yeah. Thank you.
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  So glad you're here. Thanks for making the time with
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  all the busy ministry work you're doing.
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  Yeah, we're all busy. Yes, tell everybody.
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  Give us a brief introduction to yourself and what you do.
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  Well, I oversee an organization called the Prophetic Company,
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  which includes the Finders Ministry, but we train people to
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  recognize and respond to the voice of God.
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  We've done that with thousands of people on every continent for
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  many years now. I'm cofounder also of the Bethel
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  School of the Prophets with Chris Valatin and the School of
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  Supernatural Intelligence. Yeah.
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  Very exciting. I can't wait to dive into what
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  all of that means for people listening.
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  We have some familiarity. We had Jonna Shuster on the show
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  and she has some familiarity with Bethel.
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  She wrote a beautiful book about hearing God's voice, but she was
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  sharing a little bit about your ministry.
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  And when we put that episode out, people loved, you know,
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  listening to it, but they really were very fascinated and
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  interested in, as I'm sure you've experienced, this idea of
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  not just using natural means because God gave us this
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  beautiful natural means, but using supernatural means as
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  well, or things like fighting missing persons.
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  Absolutely, yes. It's exciting and challenging,
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  and my experience with this really began by reading The
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  Saints. I was doing some research on the
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  supernatural throughout history and I looked at the book of Acts
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  and how much interaction, how much super supernatural
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  interaction there is. And then it's like, where where
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  did all that go? And I found that the Catholic
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  records were one of the most reliable sources that they
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  actually sent teams out to try to disprove miracles many times
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  or to really research in detail what happened, what didn't
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  happened. And then that was the criteria
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  for sainthood. When I found that, I became
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  fascinated with the record of the Saints, and it was while
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  reading through Saint Nicholas from the 4th century and many
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  different stories. There's, you know, there's the
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  reports and there's the stories and then there's the legends and
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  the myths. And I love it all, to tell you
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  the truth, because there's the truth is probably a mixture
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  somewhere in the middle of those things.
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  But one of the things that was reported over Saint Nicholas was
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  that he had a dream about children being smuggled in a
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  pickle barrel or being pickled or, you know, there's several
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  different versions of the story. But as I read it, just something
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  left in my heart. And it's like, I wonder if we
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  could do that. I wonder if we could break up a
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  trafficking ring with prayer. And at the time I was already
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  doing a training with people from the area to recognize and
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  respond to the voice of God, a prophetic training.
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  And so we had about 120 people attending.
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  We divided into 10 teams of 12. And I pulled posters off of
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  missing children.org A. Local posters and, and we, all
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  we did was we just prayed over them and asked the Lord for any
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  Intel about their situation. Well, I had some back story
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  information on some of these children that nobody else had
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  that I had obtained from the website.
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  No one knew we were going to do this exercise.
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  So no one had that information available to them.
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  And one of the groups actually got the name.
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  The names of the people who abducted this child and the.
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  Car. Like the color of the car, the
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  type of car they got some. Really strategic Intel.
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  So then I went to just this one team and I said, well, do you
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  feel like this child is still alive or because she'd been
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  missing for two years? And so they're like, they prayed
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  again. They're like, we feel like she's
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  alive. What should we do that like we,
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  we didn't know what we were doing.
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  We were just experimenting. And so we prayed some very
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  specific directives over and then two days later that child
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  was found after two years. So we can't draw an exact
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  correlation between our prayers and her rescue except for the
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  fact that she'd been missing for two years.
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  And it seems at least highly coincidental, right, that that
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  something happened. So there was a police officer in
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  our church who is a Sergeant, and he came to us and had just
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  heard about our training that. Night and he said I have two
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  missing children, one of them. Needs medication.
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  If they don't get it in the next 24 hours, they they won't live.
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  And he said I don't have a single clue.
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  And so we're talking about it in the senior pastor's office and
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  it was just like four of us there.
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  And we said, let's pray. And we prayed and we got some
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  clues. We, the pastor's wife, Deborah,
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  saw a greenhouse on a street that began with the letter J and
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  had an internal sense that that these people were posing as
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  friends of the family. So the Sergeant went back to the
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  family, said, hey, do you guys have friends?
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  And I have a greenhouse that's on a street that begins with the
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  letter J And they said, oh, yeah, I think, I think you know,
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  their house is green on Jefferson St.
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  They went there. Checked it out and they were
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  holding the child and against his will and they were able to
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  rescue him and we gave the other set of clues and the other child
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  was also rescued within 24 hours.
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  So that's how this started. It was just an experiment.
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  We weren't trying to start a ministry.
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  We weren't trying to. It was just AI wonder if we
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  could based upon what we see in the record of the Saints.
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  And we believe that the same spirit that was in Saint Nick is
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  in US, and so we can do the same things.
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  And so we started that, then we had those two things happen.
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  And then I don't know how that happened, but word got out about
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  that and then requests started coming in from all over and
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  people wanted to be part of the ministry.
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  Requests of people asking for missing family members to be
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  found or wanting to be part of the ministry.
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  Both. Yeah, both.
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  So there was like this flood like you've experienced in your
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  previous podcast. There's a lot of interest in
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  this area and so we. Kind of had that flood without
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  any infrastructure. No marketing.
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  Yeah, yeah. No marketing.
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  Why would you market something? I don't think you have any.
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  I mean people. That's what's so interesting
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  about this is I'm pretty familiar with the with the space
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  and our team over here is it sounds like people also add to
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  your credit. It's not like you're out there
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  like here's a book of all the missing case children's cases we
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  found. Are you know, there's there is a
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  a discretion and a modesty to the ministry where it's like
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  we're we're doing the work, it's God's ministry.
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  We're not taking credit for every person that's found.
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  You know, we don't know exactly. Is our prayer precisely what
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  led? In some cases we're pretty
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  confident, like it's a greenhouse with the letter J.
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  But I love that I I think there's a true sign of the
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  Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit, when you see the
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  humility and the discretion and the modesty accompanying such
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  great works. You know, I heard, I heard a
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  statement one time that the ultimate form of social justice
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  is the restoration of dignity. And I, I think there's truth in
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  that. I think that justice is the
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  restoration of dignity. And there's so many things we do
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  charitably or even spiritually at times that don't contribute
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  to dignity. And so it's really been our goal
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  to to retain the dignity of the individuals, both of the family
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  of the person that has been rescued and is and law
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  enforcement and their vital role in how someone actually is
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  rescued. I mean, the risk that a law
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  enforcement person takes to follow a clue from prayer is
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  that's incredible faith. I mean, you talk about the
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  person who's having the vision or the thought or the idea or
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  the impression, but the police officer who believes them or the
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  government official that lets this happen, that's incredible
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  faith as well. And it it needs to be honored.
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  Yeah, it's like blessed are those who have not seen and
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  believed. Exactly.
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  Get the clue directly, but they still followed up on it.
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  That's right. So tell us the process here
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  you're talking about like in the pastor's office or before when
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  you had the groups of people and, and that you said with when
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  you first tried this kind of experimentally and you had the
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  prayer group set up and the group came up with, I think you
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  said the the name of the parents or I don't know if you said,
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  forgive me if I'm remembering this incorrectly already here.
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  But they remembered specific details or they they knew
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  somehow through prayer, details that were not revealed to them
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  through human means. That's correct.
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  Yeah. What was the process for them to
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  obtain that information? Yeah.
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  Well, we we do trainings with people in what we would call
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  their spiritual receptors and that it's all scripturally and
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  historically based. But the idea is that the main
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  categories of God communicating with us is through seeing,
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  hearing, sensing or perceiving. And so each of these
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  categorically can be ways that God has communicated with
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  people. We see them in the life of
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  Jesus. We see them in the life of the
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  Saints and revivalists throughout history.
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  So they had already been training quite a while in those
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  perceptions. So different ones were having a
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  vision, others were like internal hearing a thought,
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  others were having a feeling or an impression.
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  But the way that we that we formulate that data or kind of
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  high grade, I would say that data.
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  So we actually use the scientific method.
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  We get a loan and everyone gets their data points and then they
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  write them down and then we come back together.
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  And when we come back together, someone shares their clues.
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  And wherever two or three people have the same Intel, we consider
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  that higher priority data. So there's a principle all
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  throughout Scripture that says every matter should be
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  established by the testimony of two or three witnesses, every
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  matter. So by doing, first of all, blind
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  devotional exercise in the sense that we're not being influenced
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  by somebody else, we're not being influenced by outside
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  information, this is not just like a creative kind of euphoria
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  where people are imagining together what could happen
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  those. Kind of sessions.
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  Like when people have tried that methodology, it often doesn't
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  work because there's such a collective creative imagination.
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  That takes. Off.
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  That's not actually Intel. It is that getting alone with no
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  information, but just a seed, just a hint, and then collecting
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  that data, coming back together and where two or three agree,
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  where there's two or three data points that are the similar
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  among people among all the millions of potential data
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  points, we're like, oh, this has a high probability up on it.
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  So we do the double-blind kind of study.
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  We do high priority data through two or three data points, and
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  then we also do what we call actionable data.
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  So when we were first learning this, I asked the policeman, I'm
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  like, well, we know what spiritual things, but we don't
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  know how to report to government officials.
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  What do we do? And he said, I don't want to
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  know anything about the about how you got the information.
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  I just want to know a name, a place, an address, say like just
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  the facts, just the data. So we also learned that your
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  ability to hear it says in Romans 12.
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  And verse 6 says if your gift is prophecy, which much of this was
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  prophetic training, then prophecy according to the
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  measure of your faith. What we found is we never got
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  addresses before because we never believed God for addresses
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  before. Like we didn't know to believe
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  for it. We didn't know that was
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  possible. But when we stumbled into it,
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  then we realized, oh, now we actually have faith to get a
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  name or to get an address or to get a data point.
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  And so instead of just believing the Lord for kind of whatever
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  would come in, we started believing for actionable data
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  that the police needed. So in other words, somebody
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  might say, well, I don't believe there's anything nefarious here.
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  I think, you know, there's just something within.
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  The police are like, I don't care, like I just want to know
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  where they are. I just want to know who took
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  them. Like this is not a court case.
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  This is not motives. We just need actionable data
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  that can be proven right or wrong.
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  And so that became part of our faith structure of, OK, Lord,
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  we're believing you for action points and we started getting
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  that type of data. All right, I have to break down
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  and I want to explore all of this more, but what you
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  something you said earlier as sort of the foundation for the
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  process, which is how people receive this spiritual
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  receptivity. I think it was a phrase you
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  used, how people receive a sense of God's language to them.
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  And obviously, you know, we believe Holy Scripture and I
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  believe the tradition, the Magisterium is a Catholic.
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  This is God's word. You know, we know that certain
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  elements are infallible, that this is not going to change.
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  This is who God is. This is just teaching for, for
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  us so we can rest on that and know we don't have to figure
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  everything out ourselves. Just me and my Bible all day
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  long. So there's this foundation that
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  I, I, I believe in. But then in terms of our daily
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  life, in terms of our personal calling or vocation, you know
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  what God has for us and so much more to do with that or just a
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  relationship with God and how he speaks to us.
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  There's a whole world of personal connectivity with our
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  Lord and, and with the Holy Spirit and with God the Father.
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  So walk me through how you categorize that spiritual
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  respectivity. You mentioned a few words as as
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  ways that people receive, communicate with God.
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  Walk me through those categories.
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  Sure. Well, we start with the life of
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  Jesus and then reverse engineer from there, so Jesus said.
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  I only do what I see the Father doing.
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  And so we know that Jesus was a seer in that sense, that he was
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  having some form of vision. Whether that was mystical
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  vision, whether that was internal vision, whether that
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  was seen, the structure and order of the divine in creation,
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  all those are it. It was probably all of those.
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  So that's three categories of sight right there.
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  If I understand, you said what you see externally, what you see
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  in your kind of mind's eye, and then what you actually might see
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  in a supernatural vision. Correct.
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  And we have documentation throughout Scripture of all
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  three of those dimensions being giving strategic information to
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  people. Think about Joan of Arc, by the
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  way, we have got her book by Mark Twain here.
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  But she actually saw visions in her external to her.
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  So not just in her mind's eye like a sense, but she actually
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  physically was seeing visions of archangels and she had internal
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  in her mind's eye. This is the, the hearing
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  portion. But she would hear locutions of
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  Saints. So she had this very tremendous
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  spiritual, rich spiritual life. And many of the Saints have and,
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  and many individuals have, or they maybe haven't explored it
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  deeply, but they they may experience that.
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  I think actually everybody has it because we all come to the
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  Lord by God encountering us before we know him.
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  And so God is always reaching out and the the idea that we
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  must be born again is the idea that God would encounter us
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  before we knew him. And so the challenge is never
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  getting God to speak. The challenge is recognizing all
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  the ways he's already speaking. Because once we recognize them,
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  then I have a friend who says that when we do by intention
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  what we've done by intuition, we achieve acceleration.
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  And that's really the idea is like, oh, the moment I have an
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  aha moment and go, that was God speaking to me.
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  Now I have faith to believe for that in the future and that
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  causes an acceleration of communion with the Lord and so.
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  So I sidetracked you to deep dive sight, but there's that are
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  other categories besides that you're talking about Jesus
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  seeing what the Father does. So Jesus then also said these
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  words I speak are not my own, they're what I hear my father
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  saying. So he was hearing.
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  And you mentioned Joan of Arc, another credible witness in both
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  visions in the mystical realm and then also hearing voices
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  both internally and internally and audibly.
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  And, and, and we see that in the biblical record.
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  And that's the thing you mentioned the authority of
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  Scripture. We want to test everything
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  against the character and nature of God.
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  It should sound like something God would say or do.
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  It should be consistent with the fruit of the spirit and the
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  character of God revealed in Scripture.
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  Nothing should be counter to scripture.
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  We not might not have scripture for everything, but nothing
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  should be counter to Scripture. And then there should be a sense
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  of personal witness because Scripture also says that his
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  spirit testifies with our spirit that we're the sons and
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  daughters of God. So is there like an Amen inside
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  of me? The voice of God to me should be
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  amened by the voice of God in me, you know, and then the an
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  important thing from first Corinthians 14 is it's again the
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  two or three it says let two or three prophecy, let the rest
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  weigh carefully what has been said.
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  And so we believe that testing and judging should also happen
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  within community of loved ones and leaders of hey, I'm having
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  this experience. Do you think this could be God?
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  You know, that kind of accountability.
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  So hearing is that next category, then of of both the
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  hearing through created realm, hearing through internal realm,
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  and then hearing again in the mystical realm, the overlay of
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  the supernatural with the natural ears.
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  The third area was that of sensing.
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  And so this is what many people would call a gut reaction.
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  It's interesting that the eight times in Scripture that Jesus
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  was moved by compassion. The word compassion in the Greek
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  is actually a lot more like gut than like heart feeling.
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  I it's, it's a, it's a, it's a Greek word that actually means
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  to be moved in your intestines. And so it would kind of be what
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  we would call like a gut feeling.
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  Like I just kind of know. Exactly.
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  Sense it. Well, yeah, but the sense is a
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  feeling. The knowing is actually part of
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  perceiving, which is conviction, so.
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  So you can send something but not know how to interpret it.
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  Correct. And there's all kinds of.
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  Senses as well. There's flavors and fragrances
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  and there's heat. There's pains, sensations of
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  like empathetic pains on someone else's behalf.
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  The word that in Hebrews 415 that says Jesus was touched with
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  the feeling of our infirmities, the Greek there is sympatheo to
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  literally feel the pain of another.
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  And so that sense of sharing in the sufferings of someone else
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  mystically is a very real heavenly communication.
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  Wow, it's true. I mean in the Catholic
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  tradition, like I think about Saint Padre Pio with the stigma.
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  Exactly, Yeah. There's so, I mean there's, so
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  it's like the lives of, I would say most of the Saints I know
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  had some experience like that in particular feeling in their
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  body. Exactly.
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  Yeah. And we've had those experiences
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  in healing ministry of actually feeling someone else's pain and
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  then calling that out. I remember one time we were in
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  India in a large meeting, and the senior leader's wife came up
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  to me and said, I'm going to have to go back to the hotel.
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  My kidneys are hurting so bad. I can't, I can't hardly
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  function. And I said, oh, I'm so sorry.
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  I said, but do you have a problem with your kidneys?
• 23:58
  Like, is there any history with your kidneys?
• 23:59
  She's like, no. And I'm like, well, do you think
• 24:02
  it could be spiritual? And she said, oh, I don't know.
• 24:06
  I never thought of that. She said, it feels like mine.
• 24:09
  And I said, well, let's, let's just ask the Lord, you know?
• 24:12
  And, and so she had an inclination that it might be
• 24:15
  spiritual. Her husband was out speaking, so
• 24:18
  she had permission to interrupt him.
• 24:20
  She kind of waved at him and then stepped up and said, I'm,
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  I'm just feeling pain in my kidneys.
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  Is anybody here suffering? 12 people responded and were
• 24:30
  instantly healed, but one person had multiple tumors on their
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  kidneys and all the tumors disappeared and was documented
• 24:38
  by medical professionals. So it's an example of that
• 24:43
  sympathy of God speaking through sympathetic pains that would be
• 24:50
  in that category of sensing to. Prompt healing.
• 24:53
  Correct. Yeah.
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  And so then so Jesus, being moved by compassion, has all
• 24:59
  those dimensions into it of sensing and feeling.
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  And then that 4th category is perceiving, which is the least
• 25:08
  sensual. Obviously eyes are a sense,
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  hearing is a sense, the feeling, the gut reactions are all
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  senses. But perceiving is almost more of
• 25:17
  a conviction kind of thing. And the scripture refers to this
• 25:21
  as rooted in the heart. They perceived in their heart,
• 25:24
  they believed in their heart. And it's like my my personal
• 25:30
  mentor many years ago who started training me in spiritual
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  life. He said, I don't know how I
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  know. I just know that I know.
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  And, and now I understand that he was talking about perceiving.
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  It's just, it's not a feeling, it's not a vision.
• 25:45
  It's just like a conviction of the heart, a sense of knowing
• 25:49
  that is so strong that it feels almost undeniable.
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  And that's what we would refer to as perceiving.
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  Com Now with the I don't know how I know, but I know that I
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  know that kind of conviction. I have noticed just in my own
• 28:38
  experience that has been a powerful mover can be a powerful
• 28:42
  mover towards God, but it can be hijacked by a sometimes a broken
• 28:47
  mind or bad intention. Have you observed this?
• 28:51
  Any of these can, any of these can, and that's why we need
• 28:55
  community and that's why we don't do.
• 28:58
  We don't do finders alone. We do finders in community.
• 29:01
  We get alone with God so that we can guarantee the integrity of
• 29:06
  the data and we're not being influenced by one another.
• 29:09
  But then when we come back together, we're comparing it,
• 29:13
  we're processing it, and then even at that point, once we
• 29:16
  submit it to the police and then it's at their discretion.
• 29:19
  So there's so many layers of being tested and judged before
• 29:23
  it ever gets to that point of action.
• 29:27
  And I think that's a great, it's a great picture of what the body
• 29:32
  of Christ is supposed to be like.
• 29:34
  We make our worst mistakes in isolation when we're not
• 29:39
  checking things with other people.
• 29:41
  And that's why discussions like this are so important, because
• 29:45
  many times people don't feel safe to share these kind of
• 29:49
  experiences. But that's really in such stark
• 29:53
  contradiction to Scripture and to the Catholic history as well.
• 29:58
  It's like, no, we focus on the lives of these Saints who have
• 30:02
  pioneered A communion and a union with the Lord that
• 30:07
  inspires us. So why would we not believe for
• 30:11
  the same kind of connections and experiences?
• 30:14
  So we're just also trying to break the silence a little bit
• 30:18
  and invite people to, hey, let's have a conversation about what
• 30:22
  you've seen or what you've heard or what you've felt or what you
• 30:25
  perceived. And let's make it a safe place
• 30:28
  to have spiritual conversations without thinking we're crazy.
• 30:34
  And yet at the same time, if we are suffering from sleep
• 30:37
  deprivation or emotional breakdown or, you know,
• 30:42
  hallucinatory prescription meds, you know, it's it's like all
• 30:46
  that can be very real stuff. And we don't want to dishonor
• 30:50
  the Lord by attributing to him what actually has a natural or
• 30:55
  broken source. There's so much prudence in the
• 30:58
  setup that you have. And it's so it resonates with,
• 31:02
  with me personally in my own, in my own personal experiences of
• 31:06
  understanding and hearing, you know, as an example, the no, no,
• 31:08
  like I've, I've met people were like convinced they were
• 31:11
  supposed to marry somebody they knew in their gut, they're
• 31:13
  supposed to marry them so many, but that person, the other
• 31:16
  person didn't agree. And so they didn't get married.
• 31:20
  And that's exactly what you're saying it.
• 31:21
  It can't just be your, your experiences matter.
• 31:24
  This is not to discount the spiritual experience or the
• 31:27
  sense of God's communication in the in an individual.
• 31:30
  But like you said multiple times, you have to test it, test
• 31:33
  it against revealed divine revelation, scripture,
• 31:36
  tradition, and then test it against the body of believers.
• 31:39
  And maybe that other person who you'd have to get their consent
• 31:42
  to marry them. If they're saying I'm not going
• 31:44
  to marry you, then there you go, God just spoke to you.
• 31:47
  That particular deception makes me so sad because it keeps
• 31:51
  people in a holding pattern rather than in an active faith.
• 31:56
  And I've seen so many people captive to that idea of the Lord
• 32:00
  told me he's the one for me, or the Lord told me he's going.
• 32:04
  To. Walk in the door, you know, And
• 32:06
  so they sit in their house for decades waiting for Prince
• 32:11
  Charming to walk in the door. And it's like that's.
• 32:14
  Not how that. Happens like there is that one
• 32:17
  in a million story where that where that particular setup
• 32:22
  happened. But one of the reasons is
• 32:24
  because there's so much free will involved and and so even
• 32:30
  our perceptions are revealing a potential reality that still has
• 32:35
  very much free will. Meaning you're maybe indicating
• 32:39
  there, if I'm understanding you correctly, as if someone has a
• 32:42
  strong sense I'm supposed to marry this person that checks
• 32:44
  out against their own way they usually communicate with God and
• 32:46
  that person says no one walks away.
• 32:47
  Maybe God would have blessed that marriage is what you're
• 32:50
  saying, if that person had the other had consented.
• 32:53
  But then that doesn't mean this person is somehow condemned
• 32:56
  because what God man intends for evil or you know, whatever
• 33:00
  circumstances we face, Romans 828, God uses for good for those
• 33:03
  who trust in him. So God has an even better plan.
• 33:06
  Don't worry, the Plan B is not actually a Plan B.
• 33:08
  It's going to even be better than plan A.
• 33:10
  But maybe that maybe someone did walk away that was supposed to
• 33:13
  marry you. Everything that's key.
• 33:15
  That's hard to know, but everything.
• 33:17
  No, no, I, I, I totally agree with what you've shared and and
• 33:21
  it's like believing in the goodness of God as primary.
• 33:24
  Yes. And then responding to what's
• 33:27
  happening in our life in that way, but also treating our walk
• 33:32
  with the Lord as a partnership. Rather than a.
• 33:34
  Script I'm not living a pre written script.
• 33:38
  I'm a partner in history and, and so I need to take an active
• 33:44
  role on my side of responsibility.
• 33:48
  And I think that's what, what makes me sad is when I see
• 33:52
  people paralyzed by their view of sovereignty of, well, it's
• 33:57
  just going to happen. If it's God, it's just going to
• 33:59
  happen. And, and God does intervene
• 34:02
  sovereignly in history, but he also partners with humanity.
• 34:08
  And, and it's not either or, it's both.
• 34:10
  And, and sometimes people are waiting for lightning to strike,
• 34:15
  but they're not even out in the field with a lightning rod.
• 34:19
  And it just requires I, I like to say it this way because God's
• 34:25
  value is relationship. God's method is partnership.
• 34:29
  He's looking for partners. He could do it all himself with
• 34:32
  the snap of a finger exactly because he's looking for love.
• 34:36
  He's looking for partnership. Exactly.
• 34:39
  Yeah, this I, I was sharing this with you before we sat down
• 34:42
  here, but I had the strong sense last week because I'm, you know,
• 34:45
  in my family with this podcast, with live action GTB, I have all
• 34:50
  these visions, right? And that doesn't mean they're
• 34:53
  necessarily from God. I don't, I'm just going to keep
• 34:55
  working and testing them and praying and submitting them to
• 34:58
  my spiritual direction. Everything else.
• 34:59
  But but I had this strong sense. The Lord was saying I love human
• 35:03
  means. I love when you get up in the
• 35:05
  morning and you're not feeling it and you still make the phone
• 35:07
  call or whatever. I love it when I love human
• 35:10
  means like I, I created the created order.
• 35:12
  It's mine. I created you the way you are,
• 35:15
  you the way you are. Put in the work, make, take
• 35:17
  risks. It's not going to be perfect.
• 35:19
  I love all of that and I will give you supernatural support
• 35:22
  throughout because God is both in the natural and the
• 35:25
  supernatural. But I love the the, the created
• 35:27
  order. And there are certain things to
• 35:30
  business and ministry best practices, certain ways to show
• 35:33
  up on a soccer field. If you're going to be a soccer
• 35:34
  player, you got to put in the work.
• 35:36
  Exactly. And that's so exciting,
• 35:38
  actually. It's freeing.
• 35:39
  It is freeing. It is freeing because we can
• 35:42
  find purpose in the promise, even we that the imagination is
• 35:47
  an invitation to what could come next.
• 35:51
  And if we see our role as partnership rather than just an
• 35:56
  actor in a script, life is much more of an adventure, and I
• 36:02
  think the fruit is much more bountiful.
• 36:04
  Yes. Yeah, the parable.
• 36:06
  I also think about the parable of the talents, exactly like you
• 36:09
  just referenced. You're going to see so much of A
• 36:13
  harvest if you're willing to actually work those talents that
• 36:15
  he gives us. Yeah, And that parable also
• 36:17
  talks about how I was afraid, so I hid it and it was the view of
• 36:22
  the master paralyzed them. Like I was so afraid of doing
• 36:27
  something wrong. I didn't want to offend you, so
• 36:30
  I did nothing. And he's like, that's what
• 36:32
  offends me most. You know, without faith, it's
• 36:37
  impossible to please God. And faith is always a risk.
• 36:41
  Some people think faith is like a a, a confidence that you
• 36:46
  couldn't possibly be wrong, but that has not been my experience.
• 36:50
  Faith has always been an element of risk, and it's just a risk
• 36:56
  worth taking. All right, I've got to ask you
• 36:59
  on that note, what has been the craziest experience that you've
• 37:02
  had through prophetic binders where you helped crack a case
• 37:06
  that you thought, wow, this was this was crazy.
• 37:08
  You've already mentioned a few that are amazing, and then I've
• 37:10
  got to ask you when it hasn't worked.
• 37:12
  Yeah, because I know that happens too.
• 37:14
  Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And I'm and.
• 37:16
  When it hasn't worked but you really thought it was going to
• 37:18
  work. Yeah, I mean, that's every time.
• 37:22
  You know, we wouldn't do this if we didn't think it was going to
• 37:25
  work, you know, and that's where it comes back into the all the
• 37:32
  moving pieces of the puzzle, you know?
• 37:35
  Like was the Intel wrong or did they also get Intel and move or
• 37:43
  leave or, you know, those kind of things?
• 37:47
  I don't know. It's it's it's what do.
• 37:49
  You mean was the Intel wrong or did they also get like the bad
• 37:51
  guys got Intel demonically and they're like oh, we're peace and
• 37:56
  out? Demonically or practically or
• 37:57
  whatever, yes. So the Intel was right,
• 38:01
  potentially. We have had the.
• 38:02
  Cops show up and they're they, they booked it.
• 38:05
  We have had cases where the police showed up and had
• 38:09
  evidence that they were there but are no longer there.
• 38:14
  So yes, that has happened as well.
• 38:19
  So the craziest case that's maybe hard to quantify, but I
• 38:26
  will share a case from our from our finders team in Australia
• 38:35
  and it's led by a wonderful Civic Civic engineer, just a
• 38:41
  brilliant man who also has wonderful encounters with Holy
• 38:45
  Spirit. So this is a side gig, a
• 38:48
  ministry. He has a.
• 38:49
  He has a. A normal job, yeah.
• 38:51
  Nobody's getting paid. For what they're doing, it's
• 38:54
  not, it's not a, you know, bounty hunters kind of thing,
• 39:01
  but. During the American exit of
• 39:06
  Afghanistan and the Taliban takeover, there were several
• 39:11
  Australian citizens who were trapped with no way to get out.
• 39:15
  Their passports had been confiscated there, so one of
• 39:20
  those was a Doctor Who was also a woman.
• 39:23
  And of course, the Taliban's view of women doctors is quite
• 39:26
  different, so there's certain details I probably wouldn't tell
• 39:32
  on this just because they're maybe too gory for.
• 39:35
  Well, we. We.
• 39:36
  Do we? Do get, we do get, I don't know
• 39:40
  about gory, but we do get explicit.
• 39:42
  So sounds like she was at risk of abuse.
• 39:45
  Yes, yes, her staff had already been murdered and were left
• 39:51
  hanging in her office. She was pregnant at the time and
• 39:58
  just wondering how am I going to get out?
• 39:59
  She called her sister back in Australia.
• 40:02
  How is? She in hiding.
• 40:04
  How can I get out? Yes.
• 40:05
  How can I get out? How can I get home?
• 40:08
  She didn't have an answer, but she knew there was a finders
• 40:10
  group at their church, actually a Baptist Church, and she went
• 40:14
  to the church. She asked this guy, They prayed
• 40:18
  and the Intel they got is just so crazy.
• 40:21
  Go to this border location on this day and look for a man with
• 40:27
  a green vest. That was it.
• 40:33
  Can I ask before you tell me what happens?
• 40:35
  She's pregnant, she's a doctor, she's in Australia, she's was
• 40:38
  from Australia, she's in Afghanistan.
• 40:40
  This is after the US pulled out. This is a few years ago after
• 40:42
  the US pulled out and there's all this chaos.
• 40:45
  Does she have a husband? I don't know that situation.
• 40:49
  So maybe he's somewhere he's she's, but she's alone.
• 40:52
  Or was she? Is she hiding with?
• 40:53
  Other people hiding This time she's alone and she's hiding
• 40:56
  and. Her.
• 40:56
  She has Internet access her. Phone has been killed.
• 40:59
  Yeah, she. Reached out to her sister.
• 41:00
  Pray for me, I don't know what I'm going to do.
• 41:02
  Correct. Wow.
• 41:03
  Yeah. Terrifying.
• 41:05
  So she goes, she goes to this border thing and she waits there
• 41:11
  for days and there's no man in a green vest.
• 41:17
  And like on the third day she's, she goes back to the border.
• 41:22
  You know, she's trying to be casual.
• 41:23
  She's like, you know? She's dressed, probably trying
• 41:28
  to disguise herself. Wow.
• 41:30
  And this day there's a man at the border with a green vest on.
• 41:35
  And so this is it. Now she's risking her life.
• 41:39
  She goes up and she said, please, Sir, I'm Australian
• 41:42
  citizen, my passports been confiscated.
• 41:46
  I I'm with child, I need to get home, you know, da, da, da.
• 41:52
  And at that time the way it was described is there were people
• 41:58
  coming up with clubs to take her out, which is what they were
• 42:04
  doing to many people trying to escape.
• 42:06
  And the man goes, stop, I know this woman, she's a good woman.
• 42:12
  She never met him, as far as she knew, they didn't know each
• 42:18
  other. So they stop, They back off, and
• 42:22
  she he reaches down into a satchel or something, pulls out
• 42:28
  her passport, hands it to her and approves her and lets her
• 42:32
  through. Was it her actual passport?
• 42:35
  Her actual passport, yeah. And she got on a plane and went
• 42:42
  back to Australia. Exactly, yes.
• 42:44
  And she's OK now, and she's OK Got to have her on the podcast.
• 42:47
  Exactly. That's incredible.
• 42:49
  It's amazing. It's amazing, yeah.
• 42:51
  But it's, but it's if you read the lives of the Saints
• 42:54
  throughout history, stuff like this happens.
• 42:57
  How is it different than Peter's rescue from prison, where, you
• 43:02
  know, the guards don't see them walking through, you know, and
• 43:07
  his prison doors open. It's just, I mean, this life is
• 43:13
  meant to be lived from a unexplainable place.
• 43:20
  And honestly, I would say that if you're living an explainable
• 43:24
  life, you're doing it wrong, you know?
• 43:28
  I think some people say I want to experience God
• 43:30
  supernaturally. I want to see a miracle, I want
• 43:32
  to see something, I want to hear him speak to me.
• 43:34
  And then they get frustrated because it seems like things go
• 43:38
  on as before, and then they may even get their faith shaken.
• 43:41
  And I've seen this especially with some people who get really
• 43:43
  excited about faith. They're born again, they have
• 43:45
  this great experience. And then they're like, it's not
• 43:47
  really doing it for me in the same way.
• 43:49
  And they fall back into old patterns.
• 43:51
  I think you have to approach it from a sense of journey rather
• 43:55
  than destination. We're, we're learning, we're,
• 43:59
  we're shedding old systems and learning new systems of, of life
• 44:05
  and health and love and light. And, and it's that renewing of
• 44:11
  the mind. And, and so that's, that's where
• 44:16
  the increasing faith comes in for me of like, OK, that didn't
• 44:20
  work last time and it was kind of awkward and embarrassing.
• 44:24
  Am I going to even take this risk again?
• 44:27
  And for me, there's kind of two patterns.
• 44:30
  First of all, we don't find everybody we look for those
• 44:34
  numbers might be as low as 1 out of 10.
• 44:38
  One out of 10 is how many people you actually can find via
• 44:41
  prayer. That it may be that low.
• 44:43
  We're working on our metrics, but it may be that low.
• 44:47
  So that means for every 9 tips, is that mean for every 9 tips
• 44:50
  you're giving law enforcement, only the 10th tip finds helps
• 44:54
  actually find a missing person? From.
• 44:57
  From what we could tell, it may be that low.
• 45:00
  And and then you ask yourself, is that 8 year old girl worth
• 45:08
  it? Is that 12 year old boy worth
• 45:10
  it? Is this family whose child's
• 45:14
  been missing for 2 1/2 years, who started as a runaway and now
• 45:18
  it seems like it may be something worse, closure for
• 45:21
  that family? Is it worth one out of 10?
• 45:27
  It's it's worth one out of a million.
• 45:31
  And for me, healing's been the same way.
• 45:36
  It's like, how do you, how do you stop praying when pain is
• 45:44
  redefining someone's life, when it's trying to rewrite what's
• 45:49
  possible and what's impossible for them?
• 45:52
  How can I take upon myself to make this about me, about my
• 45:58
  sense of rejection or success when they're the one who's
• 46:02
  suffering? Like, am I really taking a risk
• 46:06
  Like nothing is what's already happening, So nothing is not a
• 46:09
  risk. Like what if nothing happens?
• 46:11
  Nothing's what's already happening.
• 46:13
  That's not a risk. What you're risking is that
• 46:17
  something would happen and that's worth the risk.
• 46:21
  So yeah, I, I just think if you live from the journey, I'm not
• 46:28
  one who's arrived, Paul said. He wasn't one who's arrived.
• 46:32
  He's he's on a journey of faith. He's on a journey of mind
• 46:36
  renewal. He's figuring this out and we're
• 46:38
  figuring it out in community. And I think when we stay open
• 46:43
  and honest about our sense of journey and we stay connected
• 46:47
  within community, then we can keep taking those risks of faith
• 46:52
  where the supernatural becomes. More common and more active in
• 46:58
  our life. How do you interpret or even
• 47:02
  talk about when it doesn't work? When people are gathered
• 47:09
  together, they're praying. Maybe three people got the
• 47:12
  sense, you know, there's a red car and I think the street
• 47:16
  begins and maybe they even get names.
• 47:17
  Sometimes they get actual names, right?
• 47:19
  That's right. They get actual names.
• 47:20
  It's Fred and Jim. Had longitude and latitude
• 47:23
  before. Longitude and latitude about
• 47:26
  where someone is. OK, they have longitude and
• 47:29
  latitude. The cops show up, they take the
• 47:32
  tip, they show up, nothing. And had that happened before
• 47:38
  when you got longitude and latitude and they went and it
• 47:42
  didn't, They didn't, they weren't there.
• 47:43
  I don't think it. Has for that.
• 47:45
  Particular it hasn't not. Revelation, yeah.
• 47:48
  That one, That one worked. It's common though, sure, but we
• 47:52
  practice. Is there a correlation?
• 47:54
  Is there a correlation between the specific?
• 47:58
  Specificity. Thank you.
• 48:00
  Specificity. OK, we're not even going to try.
• 48:02
  We've got some like ADHD thing going on.
• 48:04
  I'm not no, no, no hate on them but myself on that.
• 48:07
  But how specific it is? Is there a correlation between
• 48:11
  how specific it is and how successful it is, or not
• 48:14
  necessarily? Not always, no, No.
• 48:17
  So, so then when it does, yeah. So talk, talk me through when it
• 48:21
  doesn't work. Is there?
• 48:22
  Give me an example, if you're willing.
• 48:23
  Like, what does it look like when it doesn't work?
• 48:25
  And how did the community discuss that?
• 48:27
  How did the cops receive that? What did that look like?
• 48:29
  Well, again, cops check. They it's a normal part of their
• 48:35
  job to check tips that don't pan out.
• 48:37
  So it doesn't bother them at all.
• 48:39
  Like they're, yeah, not affected by it at all.
• 48:44
  It's definitely harder on us, you know, harder on the
• 48:47
  community. I had a an older lady who's
• 48:54
  who's 2 granddaughters at six and eight years old.
• 48:58
  The deadbeat dad sold them into human trafficking and we never
• 49:06
  found him. And this.
• 49:08
  And this grandmother would come to me every week in the
• 49:12
  meetings. Do you have anything on my kids,
• 49:15
  on my grandkids yet? To this day, they're they're
• 49:18
  still. Not that I know of.
• 49:20
  And and and the father, he, he ran off with them to another
• 49:25
  country or did they have any details?
• 49:28
  Yes, there were details and and there enough details to know
• 49:37
  that something wicked happened, but not enough to prosecute.
• 49:43
  So was he still in the community?
• 49:45
  OK, so they they didn't know where he was or the daughters
• 49:48
  were and they were listed as missing children by the cops
• 49:51
  because he didn't have the right to take them without the
• 49:53
  mother's or the grandmother's. Correct, and he was already
• 49:56
  involved in. A trafficking kind of situation.
• 50:01
  And so, you know, obviously there's many possibilities of
• 50:07
  maybe he got leveraged for money or situation or I, I don't know.
• 50:12
  But you've got one of the most tragic situations you can have
• 50:16
  where it appears that a father is involved in his own, you
• 50:21
  know, with his own children. Here's a grandmother who's a
• 50:25
  part of our community that we're praying for and we're just not
• 50:30
  getting Intel or the Intel we're getting is not panning out.
• 50:36
  It's it's kind of like staring failure in the face over and
• 50:39
  over and over again. And I think it's the same thing
• 50:42
  that people go through when they're expecting a healing and
• 50:45
  the healing doesn't come. Or they're expecting to get
• 50:48
  pregnant. Or they're expecting, you know,
• 50:50
  the knight in shining armor. Or they're expecting whatever it
• 50:53
  is that they're hoping for. My 12 year old daughter was
• 50:56
  walking home from middle school and a girl jumped her and beat
• 51:01
  her severely and she received traumatic brain injury and
• 51:07
  became dyslexic and and sensitive to sound and light and
• 51:14
  all these kind of things. And, and I am traveling seeing
• 51:20
  miracles all over the world and I can't get a healing from my
• 51:25
  daughter and my own home. And we walked through that for
• 51:30
  seven years, every form of prayer or every form of
• 51:35
  ministry, every form of healing, every form of alternative
• 51:39
  medicine, like you just do anything to get your child back,
• 51:44
  you know, and, and the kind of the tear that that places upon
• 51:55
  you of Lord, this is still happening out as I'm traveling.
• 51:59
  Like I have testimonies on my phone of people being raised
• 52:03
  from the dead like that I was a part of.
• 52:09
  And I can't get a breakthrough for my own daughter.
• 52:13
  And that challenge is just part of a price of admission for a
• 52:23
  life of faith. And I will report that now, you
• 52:29
  know, she's 19 years old. She got enough healing.
• 52:34
  And we found some like physical things like hyperbaric chamber
• 52:40
  that really helped with concussions and stuff like that.
• 52:43
  She was able to graduate with her class.
• 52:45
  She just graduated from cosmetology school and then I
• 52:51
  had a friend who has a ministry of helping people with PTSD.
• 52:55
  He came over had a 40 minute conversation with her and I
• 52:59
  thought it looked like nothing happened like are you going to
• 53:02
  do anything here? He just met with her.
• 53:05
  I was listening in the other room and it honestly it didn't
• 53:08
  sound or look like anything happened and she the last bit of
• 53:16
  her healing slash deliverance absolutely happened.
• 53:20
  She was just totally different. She said, I can't help it, but I
• 53:24
  think about the tax 7 times a day and I just realized it's
• 53:28
  been a week and I've never thought about the attack.
• 53:32
  And it's like people want the mysteries of supernatural, but
• 53:40
  they don't want the mystery of that dichotomy of life of, you
• 53:49
  know, the natural exactly of the natural of like, like why did
• 53:55
  why didn't it work? And why am I still seeing
• 53:58
  miracles here and not home and da da, da, da, da.
• 54:01
  It's like, I don't know, it's probably the wrong question, you
• 54:05
  know? But do I stop?
• 54:10
  Somebody else's blessing because I can't get my own.
• 54:13
  Isn't that the ultimate form of selfishness?
• 54:16
  Like how how could I make that choice, you know, to quit
• 54:21
  believing because of my pain Seems I don't know that just
• 54:29
  seems to self-centered to to be reconciled to faith.
• 54:34
  So we just keep going for it, keep believing and keep seeing
• 54:40
  and, and believing in the goodness of God will manifest.
• 54:44
  And, you know, now we're in one of those seasons where after
• 54:48
  seven years of hell at home, we, we've got some victory, we got
• 54:54
  some breakthrough and, and and that's just the realities, you
• 55:00
  know, of life. Yeah, Jesus said in this world
• 55:06
  you'll have tribulation, but be of good cheer.
• 55:09
  I've overcome the world. And he, he, he never promised
• 55:13
  that everything would always be pain free, problem free.
• 55:17
  He just promised that he'd never leave or that he'd never
• 55:20
  forsake. And he didn't, He didn't leave.
• 55:23
  He didn't forsake. He was present in her pain and
• 55:27
  in our pain, and he was, and he was good, and he was still
• 55:32
  demonstrating himself in other ways.
• 55:34
  And why he wasn't demonstrating himself in that way and that
• 55:39
  season and the person that we cared about most, I don't know.
• 55:46
  I don't have good answers for that.
• 55:48
  My theology degrees do not help with that.
• 55:52
  But I have seen too much to turn back now.
• 56:00
  I don't have the luxury of unbelief because I've seen the
• 56:06
  largest do too many things that are too wonderful to deny who he
• 56:13
  is. I'm so sorry that happened to
• 56:20
  your sweet daughter. Thanks be to God that she's
• 56:22
  doing better now, but she suffered a lot.
• 56:26
  She did, yeah. She's strong and she's been able
• 56:31
  to start sharing with other people that have had traumatic
• 56:34
  brain injuries or have been the, the, you know, the focus of
• 56:40
  bullying 'cause this girl was just videoing it for her, for
• 56:45
  her channel and for social media.
• 56:48
  Yeah. She.
• 56:48
  Was there justice? Was the girl.
• 56:51
  Yeah, I. Mean she was another young kid,
• 56:54
  the girl who attacked her. And that's the thing.
• 56:57
  That's so heartbreaking. Two of them recently had a
• 56:59
  conversation. She just felt the courage to
• 57:02
  have a brave communication and contacted her.
• 57:05
  And she said the the the other girl said, I'm I'm so sorry.
• 57:10
  I was just a lost kid too. I was just a hurting person too
• 57:16
  and you know, it's the only It was her cry for help and her
• 57:20
  only way to she knew how to get some attention.
• 57:23
  And to beat up another kid? Yeah, Wow, your daughter's
• 57:27
  amazing. She is.
• 57:28
  Like her dad. Well, the Lord's faithful and
• 57:35
  anybody who wants to get in Finder's ministry, anybody who
• 57:38
  wants to get in healing ministry, anybody who wants to
• 57:42
  walk the supernatural path that Saints walked before us, that's
• 57:48
  the price of admission is mystery.
• 57:52
  Wow. Yeah, but it's worth it.
• 57:58
  It is worth it. It's everything.
• 58:00
  It's the whole purpose of everything is the mystery of
• 58:04
  God. Yeah.
• 58:08
  You made a comment as you were speaking about your precious
• 58:11
  daughter that you were traveling.
• 58:13
  You know she's suffering at home and you're doing mission trips
• 58:17
  and then you, you even get reports of their dead being
• 58:20
  raised. Can you tell me about that?
• 58:23
  Yeah, I can. So in the same way that I'm
• 58:30
  reading the Saints and I see a breaking up trafficking ring for
• 58:33
  children and get inspired by that, I'm reading the
• 58:38
  resurrection stories. I'm going why don't we do this?
• 58:40
  Like why don't we pray for this? You know, why has, if the
• 58:45
  resurrection of Christ is the central theme of the gospel and
• 58:50
  our salvation, like what, why, why don't we go for this?
• 58:55
  You know, So we just started trying, just started praying for
• 59:00
  people and, and seeing some results.
• 59:04
  So during that season in particular, I was in
• 59:09
  Krasnoyarsk, Siberia, and I was doing a pastor's conference with
• 59:14
  a couple 1000 pastors. And I was just sharing that we
• 59:18
  had started a resurrection team. And because we contend for
• 59:24
  things we see in Scripture, we contend for things we see in
• 59:27
  Christian history, we contend for things we see in the life of
• 59:31
  Saints. If if they could do it the same
• 59:35
  Christ as in me. And so, so we start challenging
• 59:41
  our our reality with his reality.
• 59:44
  And so I was, I was just sharing that fact.
• 59:49
  And it wasn't even the main point.
• 59:51
  It was a side point. But I could feel kind of the
• 59:54
  baby leap in the room, you know, there was like, I could feel a
• 59:59
  couple people got excited. So we just made this criteria,
• 1:00:02
  said OK, if you feel like this might be a primary thing that
• 1:00:06
  you'll really go after. And you promise to pray for at
• 1:00:09
  least 100 people before you give up.
• 1:00:12
  Pray for 100 people who have recently passed away to be
• 1:00:16
  resurrected. Correct.
• 1:00:17
  Before you give. Up before you give up, then I'll
• 1:00:21
  pray for you. So about 200 of them came
• 1:00:24
  forward. And so I laid hands on them and
• 1:00:28
  we just prayed a simple prayer of faith and, and, and the Lord
• 1:00:32
  was present and there was a, there was a sense of his
• 1:00:35
  confirming of, of presence and power.
• 1:00:40
  But the next day where we come back and two, two of these guys
• 1:00:46
  we prayed for had a resurrection.
• 1:00:49
  So one of them's on the way home.
• 1:00:51
  Wait a minute. Yeah, they had died the night
• 1:00:54
  before. No.
• 1:00:55
  No, no, they had prayed for somebody.
• 1:00:57
  OK. So yeah, we prayed the night
• 1:01:00
  before on the way home from that meeting.
• 1:01:03
  Yes, there's a car accident. The traffic's backed up.
• 1:01:07
  He gets out of his car. He walks up to the EMTs or
• 1:01:11
  whatever it is in Russia and says I'm a I'm a pastor priest.
• 1:01:19
  Can I pray? Is it, is there anything you
• 1:01:20
  need? And they said, well, you can
• 1:01:21
  give last rites because he's dead.
• 1:01:24
  And he said, OK, I'll do that. And he's walking over to do it.
• 1:01:27
  And he goes, Oh, no, because he was, he still wasn't even
• 1:01:31
  thinking about it. He was just like getting ready
• 1:01:34
  to give last rites. But as he's walking over, he
• 1:01:37
  goes, I just prayed. I just said I'd pray for 100
• 1:01:41
  dead people. And here's one like now.
• 1:01:44
  And I didn't train him how to do it.
• 1:01:46
  I just we just because it. Wasn't.
• 1:01:49
  The point of the meeting? Well, that's what the EMT.
• 1:01:51
  Said yeah, he's like on the ground.
• 1:01:54
  They sent him to do last rites, yes.
• 1:01:58
  So then what happened? So he went over and just prayed
• 1:02:01
  a simple prayer and the guy coughed and stood up and.
• 1:02:05
  Stood up. Stood up totally, healed totally
• 1:02:10
  and and another one was taking a train ride home and he was at
• 1:02:17
  the train station and there was like these young people that
• 1:02:22
  were kicking a body on the ground.
• 1:02:24
  Where is this? This is in Krasnoyarsk, Siberia.
• 1:02:28
  And and they're kicking this body on the ground and, and so
• 1:02:34
  they think that he thinks they're beating them up.
• 1:02:37
  And so he runs over to interrupt it, and they're actually kicking
• 1:02:40
  to see if he's alive. It's like a homeless person or.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah, a drug addict. And so it had appeared that he
• 1:02:48
  had overdosed, and he checked. There's no pulse, There's no
• 1:02:52
  breath, there's no nothing. You know, he kind of, what do I
• 1:02:57
  do? And then he remembers.
• 1:02:59
  Oh, no, I just prayed. Yeah, I just said I'd do this.
• 1:03:03
  He prays for the guy. The guy coughs, actually ejects
• 1:03:08
  some matter and then is totally resuscitated.
• 1:03:15
  We could say for sure, you know? Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Have there been any American resuscitations that you have
• 1:03:24
  heard of because of prayer? Actually, one of my students had
• 1:03:27
  one this week, a very similar story.
• 1:03:31
  Driving home or no, she wasn't driving home.
• 1:03:35
  She was driving to a meeting and there was a man in front of a
• 1:03:40
  Chick-fil-A. And she saw the family off
• 1:03:44
  crying on the side and and she's like, Lord, I'm going to be
• 1:03:51
  late. And she heard the Lord say, we
• 1:03:54
  don't leave dead people in the streets.
• 1:03:58
  And so she pulled over. She went over, She comforted the
• 1:04:01
  family. There were four MEMTS working on
• 1:04:05
  WAS. It a heart attack or?
• 1:04:07
  It appeared to be something like that.
• 1:04:09
  And so she's just comforting the family, just sitting on the
• 1:04:14
  sideline, everything. The EM TS finish and they're
• 1:04:19
  walking away. One of them is staying with the
• 1:04:22
  body, the other three are wrapping things up and it's very
• 1:04:26
  evident that he's died. And so she walks over and just
• 1:04:33
  stands out of their way, but stretches her hand towards the
• 1:04:36
  body, starts commanding life. And and then the guy is I think
• 1:04:45
  she said he was cutting off the clothes or something, but the
• 1:04:51
  other the other EMT's are gone and she's praying and declaring
• 1:04:56
  and then he goes wait. I have a pulse.
• 1:04:59
  And the other guys run back and and he's resuscitated and then
• 1:05:04
  she rides, she takes the family to the hospital and sits with
• 1:05:08
  them and he has a complete recovery.
• 1:05:12
  That happened 7 days ago. Yeah, here in America.
• 1:05:19
  Amazing. Branson, MO.
• 1:05:25
  Have you ever had a story of resuscitation via prayer?
• 1:05:29
  That is part of where there's longer distance between the time
• 1:05:34
  of death, because with death, the soul leaves the body.
• 1:05:37
  You know, we're not, we don't have the resurrected body till
• 1:05:39
  the resurrection. The Lord receives the soul into
• 1:05:42
  heaven, you know, hopefully, or you know, there's a predation
• 1:05:45
  process or God forbid they choose hell and they go to hell
• 1:05:48
  or whatever it is. Has there been a situation where
• 1:05:51
  there's been a distance between the time of death and the
• 1:05:55
  supernatural healing? Not with me and my teams, but I
• 1:06:01
  know Reinhardt Bonke, a German evangelist, has a quite famous
• 1:06:07
  story about a man who'd actually already been embalmed.
• 1:06:12
  Wow. And they actually do an
• 1:06:14
  interview with the Doctor Who embalmed him and.
• 1:06:21
  The man who was embalmed came back to life.
• 1:06:23
  Came back to life. After prayer or what was the?
• 1:06:25
  Yes, yeah, yeah. After prayer, there was a, there
• 1:06:29
  was like a prayer vigil of, of people over him.
• 1:06:33
  And then there was also like a a prayer item from the evangelist
• 1:06:40
  that they had laid upon him. But there's a documentary about
• 1:06:42
  it. And it's fascinating because.
• 1:06:44
  They took a prayer item from the evangelist who had This is a a
• 1:06:47
  man who died with God. Yeah, I was trying to avoid this
• 1:06:50
  is such. I was trying to avoid the
• 1:06:52
  literal thing right there. It is Catholic because it's
• 1:06:54
  Catholic. I'll go ahead and say it.
• 1:06:56
  Well, because it's Catholic I. Believe my sermon true.
• 1:06:59
  It's true. He said take my sermon notes and
• 1:07:02
  lay them on the man's chest. He goes, I can't cum myself.
• 1:07:06
  Oh, interesting. Take my sermon notes.
• 1:07:08
  He was still. Alive.
• 1:07:09
  He wasn't. He wasn't dead yet.
• 1:07:11
  Interesting. No, they brought the dead body
• 1:07:13
  in. No, he was dead.
• 1:07:16
  He was dead and embalmed. No, no, no.
• 1:07:18
  The guy, the guy who had the sermon notes, what's his name?
• 1:07:21
  Reinhart, Bonke. He wasn't dead yet.
• 1:07:24
  No. Because usually.
• 1:07:25
  He's gone on to be with the Lord now.
• 1:07:26
  Usually in the Catholic tradition, you you can take the
• 1:07:30
  relic of the St. and that has led to verifiable miracles that
• 1:07:34
  they signed so that the canonization process in the
• 1:07:36
  Catholic Church is it's very rigorous.
• 1:07:38
  It's super. Rigorous.
• 1:07:40
  You're familiar with it clearly, but you take in and you pray
• 1:07:43
  through the intercession of the Saint, God's power always.
• 1:07:46
  But the Saint has the prayers, right?
• 1:07:47
  And you pray for the intercession of the Saint.
• 1:07:49
  You believe they're in heaven with God beholding the face of
• 1:07:51
  the Father, and you have the maybe the relic.
• 1:07:53
  And if you can get a verifiable, this is no human explanation,
• 1:07:58
  the boy with cancers dying, the body is cancer free like that
• 1:08:02
  because of the, you know, the relic and the purse of the
• 1:08:04
  Saint, then you're like, OK, this is a, this is a verifiable
• 1:08:07
  miracle. But in this case, the sermon
• 1:08:10
  notes the people praying and the guys just stood up.
• 1:08:12
  What happened? He's involved.
• 1:08:14
  I'm sure that's not a pleasant experience if you're actually
• 1:08:17
  waking up alive and you're covered with that, that slime.
• 1:08:21
  I don't know what is that? I mean, he got up and walked.
• 1:08:24
  What did he? Do process is like the removing
• 1:08:26
  of your vital organs and everything and so it was like.
• 1:08:30
  Wait, they were? Did they do an autopsy on him?
• 1:08:33
  You're not. Evidently I mean the they
• 1:08:36
  interview the they interview they the medical.
• 1:08:40
  Doctor, we should interview the We should get that guy on the
• 1:08:43
  show. That would be incredible.
• 1:08:45
  I I yeah, I might it. Was in Africa and so I know the,
• 1:08:48
  you know, the process is a little different, but like
• 1:08:51
  they're interviewing the doctor and he's like, I can't explain
• 1:08:55
  this. I don't like.
• 1:08:56
  I promise I did every I did my due diligence.
• 1:08:59
  I have, you know, this is what happened.
• 1:09:02
  Yeah. And you know, he had he had
• 1:09:05
  many, many miracles in his ministry as well.
• 1:09:09
  But Paul, of course, they take the aprons and the Hank Hanker
• 1:09:13
  Club handkerchiefs when he was tent making and they would take
• 1:09:18
  him to the sick and they'd be healed and that was still while
• 1:09:21
  he was alive, so. It's amazing I there is this app
• 1:09:25
  that I love we talked about on the show occasionally
• 1:09:27
  truthfully, but it takes the Holy Scripture tradition of the
• 1:09:30
  church, so Catholic Church and you can ask it it's AI, but it's
• 1:09:34
  it's it's AI with batten down. You know, it's not like the
• 1:09:37
  ChatGPT scary AI yeah, but you I just asked as an example, have
• 1:09:42
  any Saints raised anyone from the dead?
• 1:09:44
  And obviously there's a scriptural examples, but it also
• 1:09:47
  says Saint Francis of Assisi medieval accounts.
• 1:09:50
  So again, where it becomes accounts like you're saying,
• 1:09:52
  legend, but attribute several miraculous events.
• 1:09:55
  Of course, Saint Francis, including instance where he is
• 1:09:57
  said to have raised people from the dead by the power of God.
• 1:10:00
  Saint Anthony of Padua was credited with raising a man from
• 1:10:03
  the dead to clear the Saints father of a false accusation of
• 1:10:06
  murder. Here's another one.
• 1:10:08
  Saint Vincent Ferrer, A renowned Dominican preacher of the 14th
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  century, was reputed to her for miracles, including the raising
• 1:10:14
  of people from the dead. So.
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  And several Saints were raised from the dead.
• 1:10:19
  Yes, Catherine, the astonishing St.
• 1:10:23
  Denis in France. I'm going to have to look up
• 1:10:25
  Saint Denis. Look, you're not Catholic yet,
• 1:10:28
  right? So you're schooling me?
• 1:10:31
  I've studied I've studied quite a few St.
• 1:10:34
  Denis, What was it, Saint Denis? OK, so you know the the mount
• 1:10:39
  of. Martyrs, I'm going to do it
• 1:10:40
  right now, OK? The Saint Denis, revered martyr
• 1:10:46
  and patron St. of France. Yeah, it's a fascinating.
• 1:10:50
  Story. You're right.
• 1:10:51
  I'm sorry. There are all these martyrdom
• 1:10:53
  stories where they they they've survived their martyrdom,
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  correct? Yeah, that's how that's like a
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  he. Was beheaded and picked up his
• 1:10:59
  head and carried it up Martyr's Hill to the current site.
• 1:11:04
  You know your stuff. Legend of walking with his head
• 1:11:06
  after his execution. It has said that Saint Denis
• 1:11:08
  picked up his severed head and, holding it, walked several miles
• 1:11:11
  while preaching a sermon on repentance.
• 1:11:13
  The act of Cephalophoor, a St. depicted as carrying his own
• 1:11:16
  head emphasizes miraculous sanctity and divine favor.
• 1:11:21
  Hey, listen, God is. God is just as alive and around
• 1:11:24
  today as he was then. That's the whole message, right?
• 1:11:27
  It's amazing. Heard a modern occurrence of
• 1:11:31
  that from a credible missionary. Tell me.
• 1:11:36
  All right, so this is a this is I, I got in trouble one time for
• 1:11:41
  telling the specifics. It got the missionary kicked out
• 1:11:45
  of that country. So I will not say what the
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  country is and I will not say his name.
• 1:11:50
  Can you give us a general geographic area?
• 1:11:52
  It was a Muslim country in Southeast Asia, So and it's a
• 1:11:59
  place where they often persecute Christians.
• 1:12:02
  So he, this mission, this preacher was beheaded and they
• 1:12:09
  threw his head on one side of the road and they threw his body
• 1:12:13
  on the other side of the road. And it was kind of as a
• 1:12:16
  statement, don't come in our town, don't come in our village,
• 1:12:22
  you know, so. And it was done publicly.
• 1:12:26
  So a Muslim man who's not from that town was walking to that
• 1:12:29
  town and he saw what happened. And he said this is wrong even
• 1:12:34
  for a Christian. And so he picked up the head and
• 1:12:37
  he set it by the body just as an act of sanctity, of life, Good
• 1:12:42
  Samaritan. And when he did, the head
• 1:12:44
  reattached and. Then what happened?
• 1:12:46
  And he came back to life and the guy was so astonished.
• 1:12:50
  He shared salvation with him, gave his life to the Lord.
• 1:12:53
  Then the man walks back with this guy into the village and
• 1:12:58
  they'd all seen what had happened when he was killed.
• 1:13:02
  He still has a scar all the way around his neck.
• 1:13:05
  And I've met two people that have met the man who was
• 1:13:09
  beheaded. And he's still preaching.
• 1:13:10
  He's still preaching. Yes.
• 1:13:12
  And the village gave their lives to the Lord.
• 1:13:15
  Was he a leader? To that country, or was he a
• 1:13:18
  travelling in? Oh, he was.
• 1:13:20
  He was from outside that country, yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Guys, we got to get this guy on the show.
• 1:13:24
  People need to know he's too busy saving, helping save souls
• 1:13:28
  in Southeast. Isn't that amazing though?
• 1:13:29
  I. Believe it, it is amazing.
• 1:13:31
  Because I so this missionary told me this story and I was
• 1:13:36
  just in table talk with somebody one time and he goes, I know
• 1:13:40
  that guy. Like, not the missionary, I know
• 1:13:43
  the guy that that happened to. He goes, he has a scar all the
• 1:13:47
  way around his neck. I've met him.
• 1:13:48
  I've been in that country. This is a true story.
• 1:13:52
  You know, and he's still preaching.
• 1:13:53
  He's still preaching the gospel. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
• 1:14:00
  I'm just saying the the this, the the lives of the Saints
• 1:14:06
  reveal things that God still does today.
• 1:14:11
  Like this is not an old story, maybe 15 years old, you know?
• 1:14:19
  There's a lot of Christians today, Catholics today too.
• 1:14:22
  I mean, Christian Catholics are Christians, of course, but I
• 1:14:26
  think because of our separation, we say Christian, we Protestant
• 1:14:30
  Catholic. I wish we could all just say
• 1:14:32
  one. We.
• 1:14:33
  My big prayer, by the way, I talk about this on the show, is
• 1:14:35
  Christian unity. We should all be one.
• 1:14:38
  We should all be 1. And I believe when the church is
• 1:14:40
  1, then the mass renewal and salvation, we will see far more
• 1:14:47
  even converts than we can see today because they'll know us by
• 1:14:50
  our oneness, by our love. But then, then the modern, a lot
• 1:14:54
  of the modern Christians think, oh, the miracles just happen to
• 1:14:57
  Saints. Miracles just happen in history.
• 1:15:00
  And and also there's a fear of pursuing the miracle.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, partly because of failure. Because like you said, for every
• 1:15:08
  100 attempted resurrections, only maybe one works, right?
• 1:15:12
  You've got it. I mean, Can you imagine praying
• 1:15:13
  over 100 different dead people and then only the last one
• 1:15:17
  working? Yes, because.
• 1:15:21
  You have, you have a lot of people give up or they don't try
• 1:15:27
  more people that don't even try. Here's the challenge.
• 1:15:31
  It's actually not hard to raise somebody from the dead.
• 1:15:34
  It's hard to fight. Through thousands of years of
• 1:15:36
  unbelief, we have formulated a culture.
• 1:15:41
  Remember when Jesus went into the city and he said he couldn't
• 1:15:44
  do many miracles because of the atmosphere of unbelief?
• 1:15:48
  We have created such a culture. Makes me want to weep of.
• 1:15:52
  Rational faith rather than mystical faith.
• 1:15:57
  And we need both. We need both.
• 1:16:00
  We need practical faith, but we've like so relegated those
• 1:16:05
  things to only our history and not to our current reality.
• 1:16:11
  And that is that is a sad loss because the world is looking for
• 1:16:18
  wonder. The world's looking for mystery.
• 1:16:21
  Listen all the you know, the Harry Potter magic and the the
• 1:16:25
  occult. I mean the obsession with New
• 1:16:27
  Age and the occult. Shows even the Super, even the
• 1:16:29
  superhero movies, you know, Marvel and DC and all this.
• 1:16:33
  It's the cry of creation that is the sound of the cry of
• 1:16:37
  creation. Isn't there anything beyond this
• 1:16:41
  natural life? Isn't there anything beyond this
• 1:16:44
  natural realm? And, and they're answering it
• 1:16:47
  with fantasy and they're answering it with darkness.
• 1:16:51
  And it's time for the church, the United Church, to answer it
• 1:16:56
  with the light and the love of Jesus and that he is an ever
• 1:17:00
  present powerful help even in the midst of death, even in the
• 1:17:06
  midst of loss, even in the midst of of missing children.
• 1:17:12
  How many missing children have been found through prophetic
• 1:17:15
  finders? We don't have that number, yeah.
• 1:17:18
  And I don't, I don't. Even know if it's right to keep
• 1:17:20
  it. I'm trying to kind of figure
• 1:17:21
  that out, but one of the reasons we don't have that number is
• 1:17:25
  because the police told us that we can't always tell you if your
• 1:17:31
  Intel was helpful or not, or even whether we found the child
• 1:17:35
  or not because of our legal system.
• 1:17:40
  And a like, it's kind of, I guess it's a form of tampering
• 1:17:45
  with evidence or something. I don't know.
• 1:17:48
  But there are there are confidentiality issues and they
• 1:17:52
  said, will you do this even if we can't tell you the results?
• 1:17:57
  And our teams said yes. And I just think that's so
• 1:18:00
  incredibly noble. So sometimes the only evidence
• 1:18:05
  we have is them coming. Is the police returning For more
• 1:18:09
  information? So when you say only one out of
• 1:18:12
  the every 10 are found, that's what you know.
• 1:18:15
  That's all we know. OK?
• 1:18:17
  That's why I said it could be as few as one out of 10.
• 1:18:20
  That's an important distinction. So the so the cops do
• 1:18:23
  occasionally tell you, hey, we got the guy or.
• 1:18:25
  Oh yeah, and sometimes it's in the paper or sometimes it's.
• 1:18:28
  So you know about one out of 10 from what you have been able to
• 1:18:32
  ascertain from either the cops sharing something offhand or
• 1:18:36
  it's in the news. But it could be more than that.
• 1:18:38
  Absolutely. And like.
• 1:18:40
  You're being awfully mod. No, I'm being.
• 1:18:43
  Careful because I want to make sure credit goes where credit is
• 1:18:46
  due and I don't want to exaggerate and I also want to
• 1:18:49
  honor the people that are actually doing the work.
• 1:18:53
  You know, like again, I'm really far removed from this.
• 1:18:56
  I set it in motion and I do some of the training, but I, I'm not
• 1:19:01
  actively involved in finding missing people every day, you
• 1:19:06
  know, other than quality control pieces and, and some training
• 1:19:12
  here and there. And that's part of what we're
• 1:19:14
  trying to do now. We're trying to standardize some
• 1:19:16
  of the practices because there's both the viral side of people
• 1:19:19
  being excited about this, which we love and believe in.
• 1:19:23
  But then there's also the structured wineskin side of
• 1:19:26
  this, of what are protocols and best practices that make sure
• 1:19:32
  people are staying safe, that the truth is being told, that
• 1:19:37
  the right people are being honored, that dignity is being
• 1:19:41
  protected. All those kind of pieces are are
• 1:19:45
  really important. They're important to the heart
• 1:19:49
  of the father as well, of course.
• 1:19:51
  Yeah, so. We we had an exorcist on the
• 1:19:55
  show recently. Father Monsignor Rosetti, you
• 1:19:58
  would love you guys should talk. You guys should all be talking.
• 1:20:01
  I will try to set that up but he does some crazily crazy
• 1:20:04
  powerful. Deliverance ministry and healing
• 1:20:07
  ministries and prayers. And he's seen miracles, of
• 1:20:09
  course, and it's just beautiful. But he was saying you got to
• 1:20:12
  stay in the boat. And by boat he's talking about
• 1:20:16
  divine revelation and sacred scripture.
• 1:20:17
  He is talking about the Magisterium.
• 1:20:19
  You know, I believe through baptism and through unity of
• 1:20:23
  core theological teachings, many of us, including our Protestant
• 1:20:27
  brothers and sisters, and there's a they're part of a
• 1:20:29
  large, the larger boat. But he's saying you have to have
• 1:20:32
  basically we're saying the the, the parameters because, you
• 1:20:37
  know, like you were saying earlier, people, we are flawed,
• 1:20:41
  fallible human beings. And we don't have perfect sight,
• 1:20:45
  of course, right, Even with the best of intentions.
• 1:20:48
  Absolutely. Even when the intentions are
• 1:20:50
  good, which they're often mixed anyways.
• 1:20:52
  So, so when you've mentioned you're trying to build that
• 1:20:55
  right now, more of that anyways, have there been others who have
• 1:20:59
  tried to picked up, pick up this approach to supporting law
• 1:21:03
  enforcement and solving crime and finding missing people that
• 1:21:06
  have abused you feel it? Oh no, not.
• 1:21:09
  Intentionally. Maybe that's too harsh of a
• 1:21:10
  word, but have misused it, maybe inadvertently.
• 1:21:13
  Yes. What does that look like?
• 1:21:15
  OK, taking credit for things that are not measurable.
• 1:21:24
  What does that mean? Yeah.
• 1:21:26
  Well, we had one group that said they had 1000 rescues and they
• 1:21:31
  were credible people. And so, you know, we circulated
• 1:21:36
  a little bit of that and then I kind of had a check like, hey,
• 1:21:40
  you don't, you don't know that this happened.
• 1:21:44
  You're just taking their word for it, you know.
• 1:21:46
  And so I went and I researched it, and I got to the core person
• 1:21:53
  who was actually a private investigator, who was a
• 1:21:56
  believer, who was partnering with this team.
• 1:22:02
  But I said I arranged several interviews with him.
• 1:22:06
  I said how much of the Intel was actually key to these thousand
• 1:22:11
  rescues? From the prayer group.
• 1:22:13
  So this is a group of believers who are trying to use a, a, a
• 1:22:16
  form of your process. Anyways, they're inspired by
• 1:22:19
  you, yes, saying we're going to help help local law enforcement
• 1:22:22
  find missing persons. And they're telling you we found
• 1:22:24
  a million or a million, we found 1000 people.
• 1:22:26
  And you're like, that's beautiful.
• 1:22:27
  But let me, let me look into this A.
• 1:22:29
  Little. So I was like.
• 1:22:30
  Yeah, of course. All about it.
• 1:22:32
  And then then I checked it out. And so anyway, I, I did find out
• 1:22:38
  they weren't using our method. OK, they weren't doing blind.
• 1:22:42
  So getting a loan, so their imagination run wild kind of
• 1:22:47
  thing. So they weren't following the
• 1:22:49
  protocols. Remind people what that means
• 1:22:51
  really quick. SO yeah, when you say getting a
• 1:22:54
  loan, what does that mean? And then the blind.
• 1:22:55
  The importance of. Making the testify, we get our
• 1:22:57
  information not in a group, but by ourselves from the Lord.
• 1:23:01
  Then we come together, compare information, and we we have
• 1:23:05
  information written down so that you can prove that you had that
• 1:23:10
  information. You're not just being inspired
• 1:23:11
  in the moment. Then we look for the patterns of
• 1:23:15
  similarity and where two or three people are saying the same
• 1:23:19
  thing. That's the only data we use.
• 1:23:21
  We don't use any of the other data, even though sometimes it's
• 1:23:25
  right. And but that methodology is part
• 1:23:29
  of the the quality control structure that the Lord gave us.
• 1:23:34
  You know, that we felt the Lord gave us for that.
• 1:23:36
  So anyway, we weren't using that.
• 1:23:38
  And so is a little bit of imaginations were in wild.
• 1:23:41
  So I'm asking this guy and he's kind of going quiet and I'm
• 1:23:45
  like, no, I, I want to know. I need to know.
• 1:23:48
  And he's like none of it. He's like, I appreciate their
• 1:23:53
  prayers. They're probably, they probably
• 1:23:55
  kept me safe out there a couple times.
• 1:23:59
  I believe in this and I know it's true, but I haven't
• 1:24:03
  personally. So not a single one of those
• 1:24:05
  tips actually. Helping.
• 1:24:08
  And the guy is telling you we helped find 1000 people.
• 1:24:10
  Exactly. And he's saying that he's one of
• 1:24:13
  our teams when he's never been trained by us the like he's not
• 1:24:19
  following the protocols, the best practices, all that.
• 1:24:22
  And that's when I kind of realized, oh, the viral side,
• 1:24:26
  like I love the viral side. Anybody can do this, but there
• 1:24:31
  are some pieces that if you do it wrong or if you're taking
• 1:24:35
  credit for things that actually haven't happened, could be so
• 1:24:39
  damaging to. Faith.
• 1:24:42
  To faith. Scandalous.
• 1:24:43
  To faith exactly and I think I think they thought they were I I
• 1:24:52
  I think that communication just like wasn't happening and you
• 1:24:58
  know they associated with us without an affiliation with us
• 1:25:01
  and that kind of thing and I so here's the core Jesus came to
• 1:25:07
  seek and save that which is lost.
• 1:25:10
  So in our union with Christ there's an anointing and
• 1:25:14
  authority for everything and everyone that's lost.
• 1:25:19
  I believe that. I believe that part of our
• 1:25:22
  mystical union with Christ is the shared mission of he came to
• 1:25:27
  seek that which is lost. And so there is his anointing
• 1:25:32
  and his authority to find lost things and lost people and lost
• 1:25:38
  valuables and lost sheep and lost coins and lost sons.
• 1:25:43
  And so we want to keep things from a place, first of all of
• 1:25:50
  identification with Christ. We want to keep things
• 1:25:56
  spiritual, but also very practical and very measurable.
• 1:25:59
  And we want to function with us the best integrity we can.
• 1:26:04
  And then we want to also honor not only the Lord, we want to
• 1:26:07
  honor. The police and the detectives
• 1:26:10
  and the people who are risking their lives to rescue these
• 1:26:13
  children off of Intel and off of tips and things like that.
• 1:26:18
  So we have very trackable like proven cases.
• 1:26:23
  That keep people coming back for more Intel, but we also have
• 1:26:29
  these kind of imitation kind of things by very well meaning
• 1:26:32
  people like no harm, no foul. Well, there is.
• 1:26:38
  There is some harm and. Foul, yeah.
• 1:26:41
  I mean, this is, I think such an important topic that we're
• 1:26:44
  discussing now, which is the well-intentioned who because of
• 1:26:50
  the lack of virtue ultimately and wisdom and community and
• 1:26:55
  authority. I mean, this is also another big
• 1:26:58
  of my, one of my big arguments for Christian unity is like
• 1:27:00
  having one head as a church and one teaching authority instead
• 1:27:03
  of this guy, this guy, this guy. It's like who who gets to decide
• 1:27:06
  how we interpret a sacred Scripture as an example, right?
• 1:27:08
  So there's that whole like potential element here, but
• 1:27:11
  there's some people really good intention.
• 1:27:14
  I've just met someone recently. Very good intention, you know, I
• 1:27:18
  could tell, you know, again, you don't know someone's heart for
• 1:27:21
  sure, but I, I could sense goodness from this person and
• 1:27:24
  they were basically effectively doing a prophesying for me,
• 1:27:27
  telling me something about, you know, and I, I, my check in my
• 1:27:30
  spirit was there's a, it's an immaturity here ultimately, you
• 1:27:35
  know, and they're kind of throwing their weight around a
• 1:27:37
  little bit like I have something you have to talk to me and I'm
• 1:27:39
  like trying to get my kids. It's like not appropriate, like
• 1:27:42
  none of it. You know, it's appropriate,
• 1:27:43
  right? But and and this isn't to say
• 1:27:45
  God can't ever work that way, but you kind of get certain
• 1:27:48
  senses and you know, and obviously I take everything, but
• 1:27:52
  there were elements that were just way I could tell this is
• 1:27:54
  not a stable person ultimately fully, again, I think very good
• 1:27:59
  intentions and. This is everywhere.
• 1:28:02
  It is this is everywhere. And you know, I think about the
• 1:28:04
  Mormon church as an example and Joseph, you know, their founder.
• 1:28:08
  And I bet if we talked to him in person, you know, he's probably
• 1:28:12
  was emanating with a good intention.
• 1:28:14
  You know, I get, I didn't meet him personally, but my guess is
• 1:28:17
  throughout history there have been all kinds of cults that
• 1:28:20
  have been founded, false religions that have been
• 1:28:22
  founded, movements that have not been led by the spirit but have
• 1:28:25
  been led by man. But they have begun with good
• 1:28:28
  intentions. Absolutely.
• 1:28:31
  But that's where also the power of the individual to test and
• 1:28:36
  judge by the Holy Spirit in them is so important because
• 1:28:42
  sometimes we get wowed by somebody's secret information,
• 1:28:46
  which may have actually been Facebook, you know, or something
• 1:28:49
  like that. And then we start believing
• 1:28:51
  everything they say because of one thing.
• 1:28:54
  And. The whole time it's it's they're
• 1:28:58
  not discerning their own power and authority and they're
• 1:29:01
  yielding their their personal relationship.
• 1:29:07
  They're abdicating the authority of that over to someone else to
• 1:29:12
  be the arbitrator or the mediator of their relationship.
• 1:29:17
  And Jesus is the mediator between God and man and we are
• 1:29:23
  servants of reconciliation. And, and so for me, what has
• 1:29:30
  happened in the past is when there's been abuses, people shut
• 1:29:33
  down, shut down, shut down, shut down to where the supernatural
• 1:29:38
  is. Possible, but now it's no longer
• 1:29:40
  probable. Or they deconstruct or.
• 1:29:43
  They deconstruct. And.
• 1:29:45
  And I've, I've seen the deconstruction websites
• 1:29:48
  concerning the Saints, you know, and it's just sad.
• 1:29:50
  I'm like, oh, really? You, you have to go that far to
• 1:29:54
  try to, you know, deny this because obviously you were
• 1:29:57
  disappointed once in your life and how you want, you don't want
• 1:30:00
  anybody else to be disappointed. So you're also keeping them from
• 1:30:03
  ever experiencing wonder, you know, but instead of putting
• 1:30:11
  more and more restrictions on what we're saying is let's
• 1:30:15
  empower believers to test and to judge within community.
• 1:30:20
  Let's hold people accountable that are saying things and doing
• 1:30:23
  things that aren't true and aren't right.
• 1:30:26
  And let's let's let's don't minimize, let's maximize what
• 1:30:34
  Holy Spirit actually is doing, especially in the individual
• 1:30:38
  like that's what I read from the whole outpouring of the Holy
• 1:30:42
  Spirit in the last days says the Lord, I'll pour out my spirit on
• 1:30:46
  all flesh. Everybody, your sons and your
• 1:30:48
  daughters will prophecy. The young will see visions, the
• 1:30:51
  old will dream dreams. It's like God has made himself
• 1:30:55
  through Christ and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit
• 1:30:58
  available to everyone, which means everybody can be powerful.
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  But to quote Spider Man, now, with great power comes great
• 1:31:09
  responsibility, right? And it's true.
• 1:31:12
  It's absolutely true that. We've got to not narrow what is
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  possible till nothing's happening, but we also have to
• 1:31:24
  like be childlike and wondrous, but also test and judge and
• 1:31:30
  discern what's real and what's not and not be afraid of the
• 1:31:35
  standards. Like again, it's one of the
• 1:31:37
  things I respect so much about the Catholic history is that it
• 1:31:42
  has all this wonder, all this mystery, but it was all
• 1:31:45
  researched. It was all proven, and it wasn't
• 1:31:50
  proven with an agenda. It was proven with with real
• 1:31:55
  sound reporting and examination and and.
• 1:31:59
  And that keeps things real and vital and powerful.
• 1:32:04
  And that's what we want to see within people.
• 1:32:07
  We encourage anybody like, hey, if you, if you lost your keys,
• 1:32:12
  ask the Lord where they are. You know if you lost your phone,
• 1:32:15
  if your pet is missing like. Saint Anthony's a God cares.
• 1:32:20
  Saint Anthony's a good intercessor.
• 1:32:22
  Exactly. He he's, he's a kind of crazy
• 1:32:25
  amazing and also the guardian angels are great helpers.
• 1:32:28
  A finder's training for San Antonio and and the the senior
• 1:32:34
  leader was invited to speak at a big meeting, a women's meeting,
• 1:32:40
  and she could not find. They were in the process of
• 1:32:44
  moving and she could not find her notes anywhere.
• 1:32:49
  And she turned both houses upside down.
• 1:32:51
  And so we prayed, we did our system, everybody got their
• 1:32:55
  things. Then they got in small groups
• 1:32:56
  and they shared. We gave her the exact location
• 1:33:00
  of her lost notebook, which is the story of Saint Anthony St.
• 1:33:05
  Anthony. His notes, his, his lectures and
• 1:33:10
  his notes, and his and his writings on the Scripture were
• 1:33:14
  taken by another priest. Wow, look at you.
• 1:33:18
  With these. Details.
• 1:33:19
  I don't know an ass that's. Awesome that they would be
• 1:33:23
  returned. That's where the tradition comes
• 1:33:25
  from, that's. Where the tradition of him he's
• 1:33:26
  a. Shortcut, by the way, he's a
• 1:33:28
  good shortcut when you're like, we don't have time for the
• 1:33:30
  groups. Saint Anthony, help me find the
• 1:33:32
  notes. He works like he works really
• 1:33:33
  well. This is what I'm saying.
• 1:33:35
  Like in the city named after him, there was a grace for
• 1:33:40
  finding. That was probably the strongest
• 1:33:44
  grace I've seen anywhere in America was in San Antonio.
• 1:33:49
  And I didn't even make the connection.
• 1:33:51
  And then somebody came up and you go, you know what?
• 1:33:55
  Our city's named after Dutch. And then I went, oh, my
• 1:33:58
  goodness. Like, I wonder if the grace for
• 1:34:02
  finding is associated with the namesake of Saint Anthony.
• 1:34:05
  So. I just wish that the richness of
• 1:34:08
  this, what you're doing in practice and teaching, you know,
• 1:34:14
  with all the carefulness that you approach it with, which is
• 1:34:17
  so beautiful and so commendable. I just, my prayer is that all of
• 1:34:22
  this can be available as one church for all Christians
• 1:34:27
  because I, I think about the Spirit moving, you know, in
• 1:34:32
  baptism, we're all one in, in the, in the creed, we're all
• 1:34:34
  one, you know, in, in scripture, we're all one.
• 1:34:36
  So there is elements of oneness that exists and are real.
• 1:34:40
  But I just think about the lives of the Saints.
• 1:34:42
  I think about the sacraments. So you, you know, Eucharist for
• 1:34:44
  me, that's everything. Getting to receive, getting to
• 1:34:46
  receive Eucharist, the power of the Holy Spirit working
• 1:34:48
  obviously through you and your ministry and all of these
• 1:34:50
  things. And my prayer is just how do we,
• 1:34:53
  how do we all become one again? I don't know if you have a
• 1:34:56
  thought on that. We can talk about it more after
• 1:34:57
  the podcast too, but. Well, it's it.
• 1:35:01
  It does start with that value for one another and that.
• 1:35:07
  Seeing God in each other. Exactly.
• 1:35:09
  Yeah. And there would be no
• 1:35:13
  supernatural record without the Catholic Church.
• 1:35:17
  And yet there's been elements of the Catholic Church that have
• 1:35:20
  persecuted supernatural, and there's been elements of
• 1:35:23
  Protestantism that have persecuted and restricted the
• 1:35:28
  Catholic Church and their record.
• 1:35:30
  And like, it's just all over the place and it's like the
• 1:35:34
  treasure. Because we need you.
• 1:35:37
  We we need to. We need each other, sure, some
• 1:35:40
  of the most. It's like you know that the the
• 1:35:43
  story is Martin Luther in 1500s or whatever.
• 1:35:46
  He almost stayed and did his reformation within he.
• 1:35:49
  Wanted to. That's what that's what is said
• 1:35:51
  and they were begging him stay because there there's always
• 1:35:53
  been corruption. Yeah, amongst the lay people, of
• 1:35:57
  course, and amongst what's the, you know, the Episcopal pit.
• 1:36:00
  I mean that's human nature. One of the 12 that Jesus God
• 1:36:03
  himself hand selected would turn over his sacred Lord to the
• 1:36:07
  crucifixion. One of the 12 that Jesus himself
• 1:36:10
  picked out as well as Saint Peter.
• 1:36:12
  And so I. Mean, yeah.
• 1:36:15
  So people tell me, well, what about this Bishop did this and
• 1:36:17
  that and I'm like, welcome to the word.
• 1:36:21
  I mean, this is this is time as old, you know, tale as old as
• 1:36:24
  Christ, right? Really.
• 1:36:25
  And before Christ, you know, we were sinners, obviously.
• 1:36:29
  But then I think the key is like, what are the what's the
• 1:36:31
  teaching? The teaching must not air.
• 1:36:33
  What is the food for our spiritual life, right, because
• 1:36:37
  we need the food and the food is both.
• 1:36:39
  I think the bread, their daily bread is Jesus in the Eucharist.
• 1:36:41
  And it's also our spiritual communion like you're describing
• 1:36:45
  and, and how you receive Christ in these different experiences
• 1:36:48
  and the Holy Spirit and God the Father.
• 1:36:49
  Your your description earlier was so beautiful and I think so
• 1:36:53
  important for the Church of different ways to discern how
• 1:36:57
  you may be hearing God's. Voice yeah yeah our Co founder
• 1:37:01
  wrote a book on that Bethany Hicks is called the God
• 1:37:03
  connection and it really goes through each one of those of
• 1:37:08
  those four areas of reception and explores them on a on an
• 1:37:14
  external and internal and a mystical level.
• 1:37:18
  And it's it's it's a good resource because again that idea
• 1:37:23
  that when we can add understanding and intention to
• 1:37:27
  the ways that God is speaking to us, it's so much easier to
• 1:37:31
  partner and see acceleration happen.
• 1:37:34
  But going back to your oneness thing, I think, you know, I'm
• 1:37:39
  here because I do value who you are as a Catholic believer and
• 1:37:46
  what you do for righteousness in the earth and what you do for
• 1:37:51
  the advance of God and his Kingdom.
• 1:37:54
  And, and I'm I'm honored to be here as well, you know, So here
• 1:38:01
  we go. Here we.
• 1:38:02
  Go. Here's here's Unity at the
• 1:38:07
  table, and maybe that's where it needs to happen.
• 1:38:11
  At the table, one conversation at a time.
• 1:38:15
  I got to connect you with Monsignor Rosetti.
• 1:38:16
  You'd love each. Other Oh yeah, I have a lot of
• 1:38:19
  priest friends and Catholic friends that are so supernatural
• 1:38:22
  and so powerful and I love, I love getting with them.
• 1:38:26
  So I'd love to meet him. That sounds wonderful.
• 1:38:28
  Thank you for your love for our Lord.
• 1:38:31
  Likewise. Thank you and you're and you're
• 1:38:32
  yes to faith because it helps build other people's faith.
• 1:38:37
  You're building up the faith of others.
• 1:38:38
  Of course you are and I and of course for the people you've
• 1:38:41
  actually helped, you know, save from kidnappers and you know,
• 1:38:45
  helping law enforcement. Thank you for all of that and
• 1:38:47
  and for being receptive to the Holy Spirit.
• 1:38:49
  You're so humble about it, which is which is beautiful, but thank
• 1:38:52
  you for your yes. Well, there's so many people
• 1:38:55
  involved that are having these real like, and I want to make
• 1:39:00
  sure that just because we started this branch of this
• 1:39:04
  expression that that's not coming back on me because it's
• 1:39:10
  there's people that are doing this every day in the trenches
• 1:39:14
  and are experiencing sometimes the horrors of what these
• 1:39:20
  children might be going through as well, you know, of finding
• 1:39:25
  people that are no longer alive. And that's hard and they're
• 1:39:32
  doing the hard work. And I'm just here under the
• 1:39:36
  lights, having a glass of water here, you know, So I I don't
• 1:39:42
  know if that's humility or not. I just think their stories are
• 1:39:46
  worth telling. Yeah.
• 1:39:50
  There's two more things I want to do before we close, if that's
• 1:39:53
  OK. First, you mentioned something
• 1:39:56
  earlier about a Eucharistic. We were talking about
• 1:39:58
  Eucharistic miracles, and you said you saw something.
• 1:40:00
  Yeah, I was telling you about going to Lanciano, Italy, and I
• 1:40:04
  saw a Eucharistic miracle. Yeah, I want to hear yours.
• 1:40:07
  And I don't want to hear yours. I will.
• 1:40:10
  I'll share mine. Yeah, I was in Malaysia and we
• 1:40:13
  were having an amazing meeting with signs and wonders happening
• 1:40:19
  and probably the hungriest group of people I've ever experienced
• 1:40:23
  in my almost 50 years now walking with Jesus and after I.
• 1:40:32
  Left. They called me up and they said
• 1:40:34
  Danno, something happened and we wanted to see if it was OK and I
• 1:40:38
  was like, Oh no. What did you do?
• 1:40:40
  You know, And they said. Well, we were.
• 1:40:42
  Praying and worshiping. We were getting ready to take
• 1:40:45
  communion and mana fell and so we used the mana for communion.
• 1:40:56
  I'm. Like OK.
• 1:40:58
  I. Think that's all right?
• 1:41:01
  I think that's OK. And so God.
• 1:41:03
  Gave them God, gave them himself.
• 1:41:06
  Wow, He gave bread from heaven for the.
• 1:41:10
  So I know that's different probably than the Eucharistic
• 1:41:13
  miracles, you know, that you're referring to.
• 1:41:16
  But it is, it's related. And I've certainly seen many
• 1:41:19
  people healed taking communion. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:41:23
  But I thought that was really unique and.
• 1:41:27
  I want did they did they save any of it?
• 1:41:29
  They did. They should have it
• 1:41:31
  scientifically tested because the, so the Eucharistic miracles
• 1:41:35
  in the church that have been documented because they do
• 1:41:37
  scientific tests. So there's the bread and the
• 1:41:40
  wine. And through transubstantiation,
• 1:41:42
  through the line of Apostolic succession, you do the
• 1:41:44
  consecration and this becomes Jesus's body and blood, soul and
• 1:41:47
  divinity. But it's still in the species of
• 1:41:49
  bread and wine. So if you test it, it's like
• 1:41:51
  when you receive it. When I, I went to Mass this
• 1:41:52
  morning, I got to receive its bread and wine, but it's Jesus
• 1:41:55
  Christ, body, blood and soul and divinity through
• 1:41:57
  transubstantiation. So meaning the species is still
• 1:41:59
  bread and wine. In Eucharistic miracles, the
• 1:42:01
  species changes too and it becomes human blood.
• 1:42:05
  Human flesh the same blood type AB that is considered, we
• 1:42:12
  understand it, be Jesus's actual blood type.
• 1:42:14
  Interesting, I've never heard that.
• 1:42:15
  And then they've tested in Eucharistic miracles when the
• 1:42:18
  priest is actually doing this and it becomes actual blood.
• 1:42:20
  And he's like, oh, no, this is not this is an actual blood now
• 1:42:23
  that I'm this is a piece of human flesh now.
• 1:42:25
  And usually these are done to shore up the faith of people or
• 1:42:28
  in cases like the priest has doubting and God is like, no,
• 1:42:31
  this is really me. And they test it and it's often
• 1:42:33
  like the heart muscle because it's from, you know, Jesus's
• 1:42:37
  heart. And it's living is the other
• 1:42:38
  crazy thing, not dead body tissue, it's living.
• 1:42:42
  So in Lanciano, where I went in Italy as an example, and you can
• 1:42:46
  go to these sites, they actually have in the monstrance human
• 1:42:50
  flesh that is the same blood type, and human blood that is
• 1:42:54
  the same blood type. And they've tested it and it's
• 1:42:56
  the same. It's from the same person.
• 1:42:59
  So there's like an actual genetic identity that it has.
• 1:43:02
  And so there's this boy, Carlo Akudis, who passed away
• 1:43:06
  nineteen, 2001. When did he die?
• 1:43:08
  2001 When did Carlo die? He was just sainted in the
• 1:43:11
  Catholic Church because there are miracles that were confirmed
• 1:43:13
  to be through his intercession. And so he just became a
• 1:43:16
  canonizing they're like millions of youth and people all over the
• 1:43:19
  world in Rome to celebrate him and other people pure Giorgio
• 1:43:22
  Farsadi. But he did a catalog because
• 1:43:25
  people don't even know about these things.
• 1:43:26
  And I, I would just guess if this was manna from heaven, I
• 1:43:30
  guess would be he actually sent them Jesus body and blood, which
• 1:43:36
  we are to receive. And if they tested it, maybe it
• 1:43:38
  would be the same. Maybe it would be human flesh,
• 1:43:41
  maybe not. I don't know.
• 1:43:41
  Like it's a, it's a. It sounds like a miracle, of
• 1:43:44
  course. Yes, yes.
• 1:43:46
  And they didn't consecrate it. It just came from it fell from
• 1:43:48
  the sky. It it appeared, I don't know if
• 1:43:51
  it fell, it just appeared and they did.
• 1:43:54
  They did show me a piece of it that they had saved in a like a
• 1:43:59
  little kind of. What did it look like?
• 1:44:02
  It looked like it's kind of like a corn flake.
• 1:44:06
  I mean, honestly, it looks like the biblical description of
• 1:44:08
  manna, like a frosted flake or something.
• 1:44:11
  But it also, it didn't look crunchy.
• 1:44:14
  It looked soft, but I didn't take it out because I didn't
• 1:44:21
  know how, you know? And these guys, honestly,
• 1:44:25
  they're just innocent new believers.
• 1:44:28
  They're not like it's not on the Internet.
• 1:44:31
  It's not like no, it was just a personal experience for that
• 1:44:37
  faith community. Wow.
• 1:44:38
  Yeah, it was cool. Very cool, thanks be to God.
• 1:44:42
  Yeah. Thank you, Dano.
• 1:44:45
  Thanks for your incredible witness.
• 1:44:47
  What a blessing to get to have you on the show and I hope you
• 1:44:51
  can come back. I know there's so many other
• 1:44:53
  parts of your ministry that you do beyond prophetic finders.
• 1:44:56
  Like you said, you started this, it's doing it, but you know,
• 1:44:59
  you're doing a lot of other things for the for the faithful.
• 1:45:03
  So thank you so much. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:45:05
  Thanks for having us on. And I hope that what we've
• 1:45:07
  shared can just honestly encourage people in their
• 1:45:11
  relationship with the Lord. That awe and wonder is a
• 1:45:16
  beautiful part of this walk with Jesus, yeah.
• 1:45:19
  The last thing I'm going to do, I said there were two things.
• 1:45:22
  You can close us with a prayer. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:45:24
  And if you have a, my understanding is you do
• 1:45:27
  prophetic exercises. We did one with Jonah on the
• 1:45:30
  show using a similar approach. And I know the Saints have used
• 1:45:34
  it in trying to hear from God and just see if he has anything
• 1:45:38
  he wants to say to us. So if you could close us out
• 1:45:41
  with that. OK.
• 1:45:43
  All right, Well, Father, we thank you that you've never
• 1:45:47
  stopped speaking. You've never stopped moving.
• 1:45:51
  We love that you are an ever present help, Lord, in times of
• 1:45:56
  trouble, in the good times and the bad times.
• 1:46:00
  Yeah, I'm just even as I'm praying.
• 1:46:02
  I'm just feeling quick and about even the story I told about my
• 1:46:06
  daughter Tambourine that and Lila made reference to the
• 1:46:13
  Scripture that said blessed are those who believe without
• 1:46:15
  seeing. And I just have a sense right
• 1:46:18
  now even that some of you identified more with that story
• 1:46:22
  than any other story of I'm in a difficult place right now.
• 1:46:27
  I'm in a hard place where God hasn't come through or God
• 1:46:31
  hasn't spoken or what I expected didn't come about.
• 1:46:34
  I just want to take the richness of that scripture that that Lila
• 1:46:40
  shared, that blessed are those who believe without seeing and
• 1:46:47
  even the heroes of the faith in Hebrews 11, that all these
• 1:46:52
  believed without seeing. Their faith was not measured by
• 1:46:57
  the tangible result. Their faith was measured by the
• 1:47:02
  fact that they didn't let go and they didn't give up.
• 1:47:05
  And so right now I release a grace in Jesus name to endure,
• 1:47:09
  to persevere, to believe, to not lose your innocence, to not lose
• 1:47:14
  your sense of wonder. And even our listeners that have
• 1:47:19
  become like you kind of recognize, I think my heart is
• 1:47:22
  calloused. I don't know if I can believe
• 1:47:24
  that anymore. Yeah, you can.
• 1:47:27
  You can choose it, the Lord of just pull those calluses from
• 1:47:31
  your heart and he'll give you a childlike wonder.
• 1:47:35
  I know because I've been there. I know because he did it for me.
• 1:47:40
  He'll once again take a heart that has become stone and make
• 1:47:43
  it a heart of flesh. And he'll he'll restore the
• 1:47:49
  sense of beauty and awe and wonder in your walk with him.
• 1:47:52
  And and so I bless you that you don't have to stay in the place
• 1:47:57
  of a skeptic. You don't have to stay in a
• 1:48:00
  sense of feeling rejected or disappointed or, or that God
• 1:48:04
  didn't come through for you. No, He is there in the mystery
• 1:48:10
  of what happens and in the mystery of what doesn't happen.
• 1:48:14
  And if you just stop to take a breath, you're going to feel,
• 1:48:18
  you're going to sense the reality of His presence again.
• 1:48:23
  And you're going, you're going to resuscitate, you're going to
• 1:48:27
  come alive again. And so I bless you.
• 1:48:30
  I bless your eyes to see, I bless your heart to perceive, I
• 1:48:38
  bless your ears to hear, and I bless your senses to feel the
• 1:48:44
  goodness of the Lord in the land of the living and to experience
• 1:48:49
  the reality of His goodness in and through your life.
• 1:48:54
  To the glory of God, in Jesus name, Amen.
• 1:48:57
  Amen. Thank you, Dano.
• 1:48:59
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• 1:49:02
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