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Podcast Exclusive: One-on-One w Elon Musk from the White House Part 1 · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Today is a very special day as we are doing
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  Speaker 1: part one of our two part conversation at the White
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  Speaker 1: House with Elon musk Now. Elon is going to break
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  Speaker 1: shocking information about corruption within our government. I want to
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  Speaker 1: of our sit down conversation at the White House with
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're in the White House US what right now?
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  Speaker 3: And we're here with my friend Elon Musk, who really
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  Speaker 3: has not been doing much of anything, has not made
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  Speaker 3: any news is and nobody has noticed. Yeah, the impact
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  Speaker 3: welcome Elon. Holy crap ah, yes wow. Let me just say,
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  Speaker 3: never a dull moment.
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  Speaker 2: Never a dull moment.
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  Speaker 3: The first fifty days the president has spent in office
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  Speaker 3: over the top, and the first fifty days you've spent.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's ever been anyone to have an
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  Speaker 3: impact the way you have at the beginning let me
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  Speaker 3: start with a question. You know a lot about which
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  Speaker 3: was worse the mess you found at Twitter or the
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  Speaker 3: mess you found in the federal government.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to compete with the federal government.
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  Speaker 3: What's surprised you about the federal government? I assume you
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  Speaker 3: came in and assumed it was bad. Is it worse
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  Speaker 3: than you expected?
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  Speaker 5: It is worse than I expected. But on the plus side,
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  Speaker 5: that means there's more opportunity for improvement. So look, if
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  Speaker 5: you look on the right side, there's actually a lot
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  Speaker 5: of opportunity for improvement in federal government expenditures because it's
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  Speaker 5: so bad.
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  Speaker 4: If I was a well run ship, it would be
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  Speaker 4: very difficult to improve.
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  Speaker 5: So like, but so now it's like people say, well,
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  Speaker 5: how how do you figure out how to save money
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  Speaker 5: in the federal government. Well, it's like being in a
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  Speaker 5: room where the walls, the roof, and the floor are
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  Speaker 5: old targets any direction and you're your kindness, Wow, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you would agree.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of folks have talked about like, like.
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  Speaker 4: You can't right, this is going to any direction.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of the crazy expenditures, things like like two
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  Speaker 3: million bucks for sex change surgeries in Guatemala an essential,
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  Speaker 3: you know, transgendered mice and and sesame street in Iraq.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of that has gotten attention. But some of
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  Speaker 3: the stuff you've told me about, like tell us about
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  Speaker 3: computer licenses and government agencies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so most of what notes just finding. You don't
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  Speaker 5: need to be shoock comes. Okay, it's very obvious basic stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So in every government department, I say every because we've
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  Speaker 5: not yet found a single exception. There are far too
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  Speaker 5: many software licenses and media subscriptions, meaning many more software
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  Speaker 5: licenses and media subscriptions than there are humans in the department.
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  Speaker 3: Like you were saying, like an agency with fifteen thousand
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  Speaker 3: people might have thirty thousand licenses. Yes, and even of
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  Speaker 3: the fifteen thousand employees, a good chunk of them hadn't
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  Speaker 3: used the license, had never logged on or used the application.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we found entire situations of software licenses or media
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  Speaker 5: subscriptions where there were zero logins.
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  Speaker 2: So it had and yet we were paying for it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, the governor's paying for thousands of licenses of software
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  Speaker 5: or media subscriptions and no one had ever logged in
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  Speaker 5: even once.
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  Speaker 2: Or credit cards. You found the same thing with government credit.
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  Speaker 5: Cards we found that there are twice as many credit
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  Speaker 5: cards as there are humans, and I still don't have
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  Speaker 5: a good explanation for why this is the case. And
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  Speaker 5: these are ten thousand dollars limit cards, so it's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Is it incompetent that you're finding or is this like
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  Speaker 1: the biggest money laundering scheme in the history of the
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  Speaker 1: world that you're finding.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I think it's mostly If you say, look, what's
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  Speaker 5: the waste to fraud ratio, Yeah, in my opinion, it's
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  Speaker 5: it's like eighty percent wist twenty percent fraud.
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  Speaker 4: But you do have these sort of gray areas.
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  Speaker 5: For example, example, be so, uh, we saw a lot
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  Speaker 5: of payments going out of treasury that had no payment
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  Speaker 5: code and no explanation for the payment, and then we're
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  Speaker 5: we're we're trying to figure out what that payment is
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  Speaker 5: and we'd see that Okay, that contract was supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be shut off, but but someone forgot to shut off
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  Speaker 5: that that contract and so the company kept getting money.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Now is that waste or fraud both both?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Supposed to get you're not supposed to get it. You
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  Speaker 5: but the government sent it to you, and nobody from
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  Speaker 5: the government asked for it back. Take for example, the
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  Speaker 5: one the one point nine billion dollars given to Stacy Abrams. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: fake NGO, utter insanity, explain the story.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's just corrupt. I think that's paying off cronies
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  Speaker 3: at that point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, she knew, like when you get
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  Speaker 3: two billion dollars, you don't miss that that's not on.
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  Speaker 5: Accident that allegedly it was for like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: environmentally friendly appliances or something. And they've given like like
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  Speaker 5: one hundred appliances so far for two billion dollars. It's
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  Speaker 5: very expensive toast, that's fridge.
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  Speaker 4: It's nice.
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  Speaker 5: Is it's just obviously one of the biggest scam portholes
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  Speaker 5: we've uncovered, which is really crazy, is uh? Is that
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  Speaker 5: is that the government can give money to a so
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  Speaker 5: called nonprofit with with very few controls and then that
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  Speaker 5: and there's there's no auditing subsequently of that nonprofit, so
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  Speaker 5: there's no So this is where with the you know,
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  Speaker 5: one point nine billion Stacey Arams, who's who's that they
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  Speaker 5: didn't give themselves extremely lavished like insane salaries, expense everything yep,
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  Speaker 5: to the to the nonprofit, you know, buy jets and
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  Speaker 5: homes and all sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: Live like kings and queens. Yes on the taxpayer, dont correct.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned this is happening at scale. It's not just
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  Speaker 4: one or two. We're seeing this everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Now, one of the things you told me about is
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  Speaker 3: it is what you call say magic money computers. Well,
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  Speaker 3: so tell us about it, because I never heard of
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  Speaker 3: that until you brought that up.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So you may think that these the government computers
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  Speaker 5: like all talk to each other, they synchronize, they add
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  Speaker 5: up what funds are going somewhere, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's coherent that that that the you know, there's and
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  Speaker 5: that and that. The numbers for example, that you're presented
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  Speaker 5: as a senator, Yeah, are actually the real numbers.
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  Speaker 4: And one would think, well, I would think they're not. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're not totally wrong, but they're probably off
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  Speaker 5: by five percent or ten percent in some cases. So
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  Speaker 5: I call it magic my computer. Any computer which can
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  Speaker 5: just make money out of thin air best magic money.
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  Speaker 2: So how does that work?
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  Speaker 4: It just issues payments.
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  Speaker 2: And you said to.
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  Speaker 3: Something like eleven of these computers a treasury that are
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  Speaker 3: that are sending out trillions in payments they're.
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  Speaker 5: Mostly a treasury, some are with the sum at HHS,
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  Speaker 5: some at there's one one of two states. There's summit
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  Speaker 5: at DoD. I think we found now fourteen magic money computers.
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  Speaker 2: Gene.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, they just send money out of nothing.
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  Speaker 3: You have an ability to see where leverage points are
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  Speaker 3: and how things actually happen. So I remember back I
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  Speaker 3: think it was September October of this year, before the election.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't know who was going to win, and I
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  Speaker 3: was at your house in Austin. We were talking about it,
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  Speaker 3: and you said, you said, look, I don't want a
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  Speaker 3: job in washing to any You said, all I want
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  Speaker 3: is the log in.
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  Speaker 2: For every computer.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember thinking at the time that sounded kind
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  Speaker 3: of weird, like I just didn't get it, And I
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  Speaker 3: have to say, what's interesting on this? If I would
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  Speaker 3: have thought like, okay, how do you reform government? Like
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  Speaker 3: sort of the traditional way to think about it is, okay,
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  Speaker 3: give me an ORC chart, let me sit down with
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  Speaker 3: the people who are running agencies. And what you saw
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  Speaker 3: immediately is to understand what's really going on. Get to
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  Speaker 3: the payment systems, get to the computers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Why is getting to the computers so critical to understanding
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  Speaker 3: what's actually happening.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the government is run by computers, So you've got
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  Speaker 5: essentially several hundred computers that effectively run the government.
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  Speaker 4: And if you want to know, did you know that
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  Speaker 4: ben No?
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  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, So when somebody, like even when the present
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  Speaker 5: issues an executive order, that's going to go through a
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  Speaker 5: whole bunch of people and ultimately it is implemented at
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  Speaker 5: a computer somewhere. And if you want to know what
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  Speaker 5: what the situation is with the accounting and you're trying
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  Speaker 5: to reconcile accounting and get rid of waste and fraud,
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  Speaker 5: you must be able to analyze the computer databases. Otherwise
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  Speaker 5: you can't figure it out because all you're doing is
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  Speaker 5: asking a human who will then ask another human, ask
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  Speaker 5: another human, and finally usually ask some contractor will ask
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  Speaker 5: another contractor to your query under computer.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, that's how it actually works.
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  Speaker 5: So it's many layers deep. So the only way to
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  Speaker 5: reconcile the databases and get rid of waste and fraud
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  Speaker 5: is to to actually look at the computers and see
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  Speaker 5: what's going on. So that's what I call you. That's like,
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  Speaker 5: that's why when I sort of cryptically referred to reprogramming
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  Speaker 5: the matrix. You have to understand what's going on the computers.
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  Speaker 5: You have to reconcile the computer databases in order to
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  Speaker 5: identify the waste and fraud.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that there was anyone in Congress who understood,
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  Speaker 3: certainly myself included, who understood the leverage that comes from
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  Speaker 3: the computer and the data in particul killer that Congress
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  Speaker 3: would think about give me a report on what your
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  Speaker 3: expenditures are rather than actually getting into the pipes. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that has been fascinating that it's let you
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  Speaker 3: uncover a bunch of craft that just nobody knew.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, in order for money to go to
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  Speaker 5: a van account, it's it's not like we're sending truckloads
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  Speaker 5: of cash all over the place where it's a we're
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  Speaker 5: wiring money right, We're sending money through the ACH system
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  Speaker 5: or through the Swift system. So in order for money
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  Speaker 5: to flow, it's going to flow electronically. So that's that's
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  Speaker 5: what you need to look at. You need to look
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  Speaker 5: at the actual electronic money flows.
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  Speaker 3: And Tesla and all your companies you have accounting and
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  Speaker 3: you have every expenditure, you have it coded for what
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  Speaker 3: it's going for federal government doesn't work that way.
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  Speaker 2: They don't code what the money is going for. They
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  Speaker 2: do not, but they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And like one of the things that that you told me,
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  Speaker 3: you said, if any company kept its books the way
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  Speaker 3: the federal government does, they'd arrest the officers and put.
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  Speaker 2: Them in jail.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, if it was a poly company would be dealisted immediately,
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  Speaker 5: it would fail, it's ordered, and the office as the
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  Speaker 5: company would be in prisoned. That's the level of enough
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  Speaker 5: business in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's deliberately or do you think this is a
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  Speaker 1: confidence again.
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  Speaker 5: It's eighty percent, it's eighty percent in competence or in
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  Speaker 5: twenty percent malice.
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  Speaker 1: So if you look at if you look at DOGE
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  Speaker 1: now and you look at the government and what you're finding,
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  Speaker 1: what percentage have you guys even gotten to And how
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  Speaker 1: much of it is mars where you haven't even gotten
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  Speaker 1: there yet because there's so much you're finding out here,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many you seem like a timeline guy
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  Speaker 1: when you say, all right, I want to get in
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  Speaker 1: there and get all these you know, numbers and things.
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  Speaker 1: How far are we from the end game where you've
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  Speaker 1: seen it all been able to process it all and
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  Speaker 1: fix it. I mean are we years away, months away.
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  Speaker 5: Not yours, I mean reasonably confident that we'll be able
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  Speaker 5: to get a trillion dollars of waste and forward out,
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  Speaker 5: and that that meaning that it will have we'll have
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  Speaker 5: a net savings in f I twenty six, which starts
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  Speaker 5: in October.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously of a trillion dollars provider.
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  Speaker 5: We're allowed to we're allowed to continue, and we and
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  Speaker 5: our progress is not impeded.
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  Speaker 4: And we're very public about what we do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, put it off on the website.
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  Speaker 4: How we could be more transparent?
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  Speaker 5: Literally, everything action we do, small or large, we put
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  Speaker 5: on the dose dot dot gov website and we post
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  Speaker 5: on the x handle. And when people complain about it
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  Speaker 5: and they say, oh, you're doing something on costumes, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 5: which of these costs in the daylight.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone knows exactly what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Extreme transparent.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's anything's been this transparent ever.
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  Speaker 3: So five years ago you were a hero to the left,
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  Speaker 3: you cool, you had electric cars, you had space, And
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  Speaker 3: in five years you've got.
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  Speaker 4: To go to a party in Hollywood and not get
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  Speaker 4: doddy looks. Yeah in fact, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And now you might not even get invited. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's really invited, but I don't know if I go.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think it's an exaggeration to say today,
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  Speaker 3: after Donald Trump, the left hates you more than a
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  Speaker 3: person on earth.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I appear to be number two. I mean, if
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  Speaker 5: you're judged by the various signs.
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  Speaker 3: They extrangements, it's Trump de arrangement syndrome and Elon derangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: How is that for you?
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  Speaker 3: That's a little bit of whiplash of going from being
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  Speaker 3: like mister cool to the devil incarnate in just a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years. Is that is that kind of weird
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  Speaker 3: to experience that transformation?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Why do they hate you so much?
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  Speaker 5: Well, because we're we're clearly over the target if those
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  Speaker 5: was ineffective, if we were not actually getting rid of
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of waste and forward and a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: that fraud. I mean, the ford reason we're seeing is
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  Speaker 5: overwhelmingly on the on the left. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 5: zero on the right, but these angos are almost all
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  Speaker 5: left wing NGOs that are being funded for example. Yep,
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  Speaker 5: So they hate me because dog is being effective and
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  Speaker 5: Doge is getting rid of a lot of waste for
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  Speaker 5: that they were that people and left were taking advantage
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  Speaker 5: of that. That's that's that's what it comes out to you.
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  Speaker 5: And and the single biggest thing that they're that they're
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  Speaker 5: worried about is that doge is is going to turn
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  Speaker 5: off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean everything from Social Security, Medicare, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, unemployment, disability, smallpers administ registration loans, turn them
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  Speaker 5: off to illegals.
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  Speaker 4: This is that crux of the matter.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, this is this is the this is the
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  Speaker 5: thing that why they really hit my guts, want me
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  Speaker 5: to die.
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  Speaker 3: And do you think that's billions? Hundreds of billions? What
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  Speaker 3: do you think the scale is of that?
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  Speaker 5: I think across the country it's it's in the it's
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  Speaker 5: well north of one hundred billion, maybe two hundred billion.
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  Speaker 4: So uh.
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  Speaker 5: By by using entitlements fraud, the Democrats have been able
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  Speaker 5: to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants and
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  Speaker 5: buy voters, and buy voters exactly the It basically bring
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  Speaker 5: in ten twenty million people who are beholden to the
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  Speaker 5: Democrats for government handouts and will vote overwhelming the Democrat
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  Speaker 5: as has been demonstrated in California. This is it's an
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  Speaker 5: election strategy. Yes, it's powered, Yes, and it doesn't take
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  Speaker 5: much to turn the swing states blue. I mean off
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  Speaker 5: in a swing state yet be won by ten twenty
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  Speaker 5: thousand votes. Sure, so if the DAMS can bring in
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  Speaker 5: two hundred thousand illegals and over time get them legal legalized,
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  Speaker 5: not counting any cheating that takes place, because there is
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  Speaker 5: some cheating, but even without cheating, if you bake, if
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  Speaker 5: you have, if you bring in illegals that are ten
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  Speaker 5: x the voted differential in a swing state, it will
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  Speaker 5: no longer be a swing state, right, and the DAMS
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  Speaker 5: will win all the swing states just a matter of time,
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  Speaker 5: and America will be permanent deep blue socialist state. Were
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  Speaker 5: at the House, the Senate, YEP, the Presidency, and the Supreme.
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  Speaker 4: Court will all go hardcore down.
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  Speaker 5: They will then further cement that by bringing even more
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  Speaker 5: aliens so you can't vote your way out of it.
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  Speaker 5: Their objement is to make it one party socialist state,
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  Speaker 5: and it will be much worse than California, because at
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: least California is mitigated by the fact that someone can
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: leave California.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: You can go to Texas.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you're going to make everywhere California but worse.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: By the way, the middle of the pandemic, I spent
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: forty five minutes on the phone with Elon.
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  Speaker 2: He was still in California.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I was walking my dog's snowflake and trying to convince
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  Speaker 3: you come to Texas. The commis in California can't stand you.
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  Speaker 3: We love you, we want you here. And you didn't
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  Speaker 3: quite go then, but you went not that long afterwards.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, the COVID actions almost killed Tesla because they
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: let every other auto plant in the country was allowed
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: to open, but ours, which was in California, was not
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: a lot of open wow wow.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So they almost killed Tesling.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So as a personal matter, do you ever regret it?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Like five years ago you go to the Oscars and
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: were mister cool, and now you're You've got death threats
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: every day, liked do you?
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Well? These days the Oscars are boring. I wouldn't want
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: God bless the movies they nominate.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: No one on earth has ever seen, like, could they
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: actually nominate a movie that human beings go watch?
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, how many great movies have come out in
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: the last several years.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Very few, depressingly few, yeah, very few. Last oscars came
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: and went I didn't watch it. There's nothing to see.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I was sad that Gene Hackman just passed away because
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Unforgiven was spectacular, but that was a long time ago.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Forgiven came out.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You've mentioned today here and before about the possibility of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: someone wanting to.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Take you out, dealing with the death threats. We see,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: it's not in my imagination. You can just look on
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: social media.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like is it because very clear? Yeah, And look,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm very familiar with.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: And they've got science, the people with science and demonstrations
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: saying that I need to die.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Do you think are these just whack jobs or do
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: you think there are foreign people? Do you think there
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: are foreign entities behind this? Do you think they're domestic
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: entities behind the threats? And also the attacks to Twitter
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: are not Twitter but Tesla. I mean, you know you're
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: getting Tesla's charging stations lit on fire. Do you think
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that's organized and paid for?
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, at least some of it is organized and paid
• 19:32
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• 19:40
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• 19:47
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  Speaker 1: thread is to like what you build at Tesla? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want to have gas cars. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: it was environmental reasons. I jokingly said, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: boys think that that Tesla's are awesome. The cyber truck
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• 22:49
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm looking at We're worth the.
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• 22:56
  Speaker 4: But I mean, you've.
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  Speaker 1: Changed a generation when you look at my kids are
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• 23:02
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• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in a weird way.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Well, I do have this story that the most errantating
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: outcome is the most likely, so Yeah, it seems often
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to be true. If you like, what what twist or
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: turn of fate? Well would the highest ratings if this
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: was if we're a TV show, what twistal turn of
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: fate would generate the highest ratings? That there's a good
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: chance that happens.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I will say if if Act Blue and Arabella.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Network Blue is a huge scam, next level, do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: You think it's foreign money? Chinese money?
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Where do you think the money in Act Blue is
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: coming from? How do you figure that out?
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not coming from the from a whole bunch
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: of from a ground swell of public support, because when
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: individual donors looked at and Act Blue, they a bunch
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: of them turn out to be like diehard Republicans, people
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: have never given money in their life. So you're going
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: to track down a bunch of these people where it says, oh,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I gave sixteen.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Thousand dollars and they're like, I didn't give sixteen thousand dollars.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: We're talking about this.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: Well, if those stole con friends of mine, if I
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: found themselves on the Actlue list, like so that's.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: If it can actually be shown that they are funding
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: firebombing of Tesla.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Charging stations.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That's objectively a criminal act. That that is funding terrorist activity.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: And the statutes make clear that an incendiary device qualify,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: so that down is a terrorist activity. Yeah, let me
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: ask AI in ten years, how is life going to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: be different because of AI?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: For for just a normal person.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Well, ten years is a long time. In ten years,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: probably AI could do anything better than a human can cognitively,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: probably almost. I think in ten years, based on the
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: cart rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: smartest human.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there will also be a massive number of robots,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: So humanoid robots.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: By the way, I got to ask, how come your
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: robots look so much like the creepy robots for my robot?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Was that intentional or just? Uh?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I was hoping he's gonna say, yeah, just to mess
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: It's not meant to look like any any prior robot.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: And we'll iterate the design and you'll be able to
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: have a lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: be able to switch out the kind of snap on
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: cosmetic parts of the robot make it look like something
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: else if you're lying. So there'll be ultimately billions of
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: humanoid robots all costs will be self driving.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: In ten years.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: In ten years, probably ninety percent of miles driven will
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: be autonomous.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Huh wow that fast.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, in five years, probably fifty percent of driven over autonomous.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Now, if AI will be smarter than any person, how
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: many jobs go away because of that? And what do
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: people do if you've got billions of people that are
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: losing their jobs like that, a lot of people are
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: understandably freaked out about that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Well, goods, goods and services will become its close to free.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: So it's not as though people will be wanting in
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: terms of goods and services.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: So why is that?
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: What?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Why are goods and services free in an AI world
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: or close to free?
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Well, you have I don't know, call it tens of
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: billions of robots that they will They will make you
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: anything or provide any service you want for basically next
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: to nothing. It's it's not that people will be will
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: have a lower standard of living. They'll have actually much
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: higher standard of living. The challenge will be fulfillment. How
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: do you drive fulfillment and meeting in life?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Is Skynet real like you get the apocalyptic visions of AI?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: How real is the prospect of killer robots? Annihilating humanity
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: twenty percent likely, maybe ten percent on what timeframe?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Fifty ten years so soon.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Like you you see a world where that's possible.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean you can look at it like
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: the glasses eighty ninety percent full, meaning like eighty percent
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: likely will have extreme prosperity for all.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Now, I guess my view we're in a race to
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: win AI. We're in a race with China, and my
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: view is, if they're going to be killer robots, I'd
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: rather they be American killer robots than Chinese. How likely
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: are we winning right now? Is America winning right now?
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: And how likely is America to win the race for
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: AI visav China or anyone else for.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: The next few years. I think America is likely to win.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Then it will be a function of who controls the
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: AI chip fabrication, the factories that make the AI chips,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: who controls them, if they are controlled, If more of
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: them will controlled by China, then China will win.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: More of the factories that are making the AI chips.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: You think that will determine it? Yes, And how are
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: we doing versus China on that front?
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: Well, right now, almost all the advanced AI chip factories
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: they call them fabs are in Taiwan, and what if
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: China invades one miles away from Yeah, what.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Happens if China?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: If China invades Taiwan, what happens to the world.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Well, if they were to invade in the near term,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: the world would be cut off from advanced AI chips
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: and currently one percent of advansity ichifs I made in Taiwan.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: How fast can we put that online in America? How
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: important is that for national security?
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I think it's essential for national security, and we're not
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: doing enough.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You're fifty three years old. I'm one hundred and eighteen
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: days older than you. By what the hell have I
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: done in my life?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I know, right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Fifty three years old?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Pretty well?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Well, so seventy one was a great year, and I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: was December seventy because I was just just right before
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: you were the summer of seventy one.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I was born sixty nine days after four to twenty.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, I did ask Ben, this is true? Look all right?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I did ask Ben.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Should I show up and pull up a joint and say,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: can we beat Rogan's views? But I was pretty sure
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: it might cause a scandal if we spent a podca.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: It just turned out to be like a chocolate cigarden. Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you if if today was your last
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: day on Earth?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what what?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting it's going to be, But if it were,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: what do you think your biggest legacy would be if
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: everything you've done one hundred years from now? What do
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you think people would remember if if if if it
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: were zero.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: To today, and were you ever going to space.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: In the in the distant future one hundred or one
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: thousand years ago? If SpaceX got humans to Mars, that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: what they would remember me for?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: All Right, final set of questions.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Who's the smartest guy you've ever met? You hang out
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: with some brilliant people, Like like when you look at
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: what's the CEO? You look at other than yourself?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: What CEO? Do you say? Damn, that guy's good.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Larry Elson's very smart? So I say, Larry Elson's one
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: of the smartest people. You know, Larry Page. I mean,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: there are a lot of people that are very smart.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: It's hard to say, like, you know, I think some
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: of you smart is as smart as so Oh you
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: know what if what if they've done that is difficult
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: and significant? You know, Jeff Bezos has done a lot
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: of difficult and significant things. I mean, there are a
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: lot of smart humans. I call them smart for smart
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: for a human, A lot of people who are in
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: the smart for a human category.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: All right, final lightning round, Star Wars or Star Trek.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: The first movie I said in the theater was Star Wars,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: so I think it had a profound effect on me.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I was six years old. I think, imagine, best first
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: movie you ever see in a theater is Star Wars.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: It's going to blow your mind.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Best Star Wars movie.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Empires tracks Back.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: The only objectively right answer. I stood in line in
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: three hours with my dad to see it on opening day.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Kirker Picard.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I like them both, but Kirk.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Again objectively right answer. By the way, James T. Kirk
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: is a Republican and Picard is a Democrat, and and
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the left gets very mad when I say that best
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Star Trek movie, I mean.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: The original, the first Star Trek movie. That's okay. Ratha Khan.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Most of both of both Ratha cons were pretty good,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: but yeah, the original Wratha.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Khon Ricardo Montaban Revenge is a dish best served cold.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: It is very cold in space.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Although I will say Wrathacon is objectively the right answer.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: But but four is a sleeper when they go back
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: to San Francisco and and and go find the whales
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and and you know, Scotty picks up spicks, picks up
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the mouth and talks to it and goes a keyboard.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: How quaint that's a sleeper?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Last question? Did Han shoot first?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: It seemed like you shot second.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: This is verdict.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I apologize Ben so Ben was
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a jock and played tennis at all miss and so
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: so occasionally when when we geek out a little, I
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: love watching.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Y'all geek out over there. Still on the question, you
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: missed the alien miss is blast shot? So why do
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: you miss his last shot? Must have been because he
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: got shot first, and he's missing a point blank bastel shot.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: If they less, they got knocked off kids.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: But it's a question of real which is is Han
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: solo simply a hero or an anti hero? And and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: so I'm in the Han shot first category. I think
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like sanitized stories.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: You would have had to have shot first because of
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: the way. Why why would the alien miss a point
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: blank range?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Are you ever going to go to outer space? Is
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that thing in your life goals.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to go to Mars at some point.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: And people have said do I want to die maz
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and I say yes, just not an impact.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Now, that's a very good answer.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: The astronauts on the space station, are they political prisoners?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Some of them are because because you could have given
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: him a ride back, and.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden said no, surely for politics.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been some debate about
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: this online. But the thing is that it was very
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: a very high level decision, so it wasn't really even
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: an acid decision.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: It was just.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: That the Biden White House did not want to have
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: someone who is pro Trump rescuing askrowts rife before the election,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: so they pushed it.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're one of those astronauts, you got to
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: be pretty pissed off about that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Well, if they're a Democrat, yes, a Democrat, like, everything's fine,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: fair enough. So I think one of them is a
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Republicable is a Democrat? It depends on which one you ask.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Elan, this was this was awesome. And
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: let me say, and by the way, I put out
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: on X the day before yesterday, if you were having
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a beer with Elon and could ask him anything, what
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  Speaker 3: would you ask and got lots of responses. The most
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  Speaker 3: common response people said is is say thank you. Look,
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  Speaker 3: Texans and the American people appreciate what you're doing. You
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  Speaker 3: don't have to put up with this BS and you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm grateful you're making a hell of a difference for
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  Speaker 3: this country. I appreciate you, and the Americans appreciate you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's essential for the future of civilization. Otherwise I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't be doing it. Yes, it's not like I want
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  Speaker 5: to get death threats, you know.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: All right now, part two of this interview with Eon
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  Speaker 1: Mosk and some bigger breaking news that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have for you about corruption the government will hit on
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you back here tomorrow.