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E278: How To Be Human Again: 11 Keys to Right Relationship with Technology | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  TikTok Tourette's syndrome is a real diagnosis.
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  People are manifesting Tourette's from TikTok.
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  We're not designed to be sedentary, screen staring,
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  meaning devoid creatures. Abigail Shire says that when we
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  talk about moderation in regards to technology, it's like nurses
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  going to high schools telling students to moderate ecstasy.
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  It's the wrong conversation. Walk us through why that is
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  though. You have to remember your
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  algorithm is dictating the perception of your reality,
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  which is not likely true. Say that again, I think that's.
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  Such a good point, I don't know what I just said.
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  What are the principles that people should know to use this
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  technology? Responsibly, if you implement
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  these 11 principles in your life in 2026, it will radically
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  change your year. It's almost 2026 and I believe
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  that it's more important than ever for all of us to get our
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  houses in order for us to figure out how are we being affected on
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  a daily basis by our habits, routines, and the tools, devices
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  and technologies that we use. Welcome back to the Lila Rose
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  show. Today, I'm sitting down with
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  Andrew Laubacker. He is the executive director of
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  Humanality, which is a new organization focused on making
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  humans be more human and understanding the costs and
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  consequences of the technologies that we are using while
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  providing a road map for how us to use them in a more human way
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  that helps our relationships and our health.
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  Thank you so much, Andrew Lawbacker.
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  Welcome to the podcast. It's.
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  Great to be here. Great to see.
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  We have a lot of mutual friends, a ton, including Emily and
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  Daniel Hussem. Now I want to say Wilson.
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  Obviously it's Hussem. Yeah, I've known them for
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  probably like 12 plus years. That's awesome.
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  Godfather to Jedediah. I love that.
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  I met Emily at an event, I think in El Paso, probably 2013.
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  I was leading worship. She was a speaker.
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  Amazing. And then, yeah, Daniel moved
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  here. We've been friends.
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  But you still haven't gotten on the on the sacred.
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  Spark. I have not gone sacred Spark.
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  You will soon guys. We're in the discerning process
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  if if I'm going to enter into that digital world.
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  But I love them. They're some of my best friends
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  on the planet. Well, we were saying earlier
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  that you are the expert on the harm of the digital world and
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  how to escape from the harm and build outside of that world,
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  have the real life connections that God has planned us for,
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  designed us for. But you were saying earlier, if
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  there's an app that's a dating app that is the most human, that
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  would be the Sacred Spark app. So anyways.
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  I agree. It seems like they're creating
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  some modalities in there that can be more human and not as
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  swipey and as transactional. And so, yeah, I think that what
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  they're doing is awesome. I enjoy meeting people in the
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  wild, so that's kind of been my my play so far.
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  Obviously I'm still single so it hasn't really worked yet, but
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  we're just going to give it a little bit more time.
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  You're on the road a lot. I'm on the road a lot.
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  My life's been really weird, which we can dive into at a
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  certain point. But yeah, I've been on the road
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  a long time. So humanality is the
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  organization that you're the executive director of.
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  You've been on this mission now for at least since 2018, but I
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  think it's before that you were being prepared for the mission,
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  correct? And the mission is what?
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  We are helping people discover freedom through an intentional
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  relationship with technology and we're helping people be human
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  and unpack a lot of the science of how our technologies are
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  impacting us mentally, physically, spiritually, and use
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  them as a tool. Throw said that we have become
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  tools of our tools. So we're really trying to unpack
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  how do we live more human in a digital age?
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  And it's, I love what I'm doing. I love these ideas and I'm
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  seeing what we're doing starting to work in people's lives and
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  it's really exciting. Parents have said when they're
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  surveyed that one of their top, it's like a top three.
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  Sometimes it's a top top. Concern about how to parent has
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  to do with what to do about technology, screens, social
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  media, the whole gamut of it. And a lot of parents, I think,
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  feel helpless against this, like overwhelming movement of just
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  this plastering of the face to screens, whether it's in the
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  classroom, even getting iPads in the classroom or it's you just
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  walk down the street and there's literally everywhere.
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  You go to a restaurant and it's like there's screens everywhere.
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  There's every kid has a screen. I want to go to your story
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  because I know that was really an onset for you getting even
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  interested in this. You haven't been on social media
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  since when? 2018. 2018, that's a long time
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  for a younger person. You're not a you're not an ex.
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  You're not, you're not. Yeah, you're not even a you're a
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  millennial, right? Yeah, I know you're not the only
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  millennial who's gone totally Scott free, but that's a long
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  time. A lot of the times we take
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  breaks for like a month, a year. You're completely free of it.
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  And yeah, but you're also dedicated to helping other
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  people be free of it. Let's start with your story.
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  How? Why you went cold Turkey?
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  Yes. On no social media in 2018.
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  Yeah. So I'm a millennial.
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  I thought, are we both millennials?
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  We're both millennials. We look great.
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  Yes. I think, you know, starting as
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  early as high school, I think about these things deeply.
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  And I do have time to think about these things deeply.
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  You know, I was on AOL Instant Messenger, you know, in high
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  school, right? And that was like the first time
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  where I was, you know, you're starting to spit game, you know,
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  at least the guy in 8th grade, like, hey, girl, you know, you
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  want to meet up at recess. You know, it is like this first
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  like experience of like, you know, families here.
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  But I'm in this digital world starting to instant message
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  people. Oh, it's so skater boy.
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  It's so bad. So my nickname, well, my my
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  middle name is James. So it was AJ Wee man 11.
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  Of course, aol.com. It's horrible.
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  I can't believe that's going to be in the interwebs.
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  Now, I was Alexia 8 because Alexa Ugudin was my favorite
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  Russian ice skater, male Olympian ice skater, and then
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  eight. I don't know why 8:00 but.
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  Yeah, I'm not going to go into like the psychological reasons
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  for mine, but it was like, you know, this weird, I pretty much
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  left the faith in high school, right?
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  So mind you, at that time it was like, yeah, I don't want to be
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  religious. I want to fit in.
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  I changed everything, right? I changed the way I dress,
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  changed the way I spoke. And, and at this point, you
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  know, the sidekicks coming out, you know, I got the flip phone,
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  you know, I'm like T9 text and this is wild.
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  You know, I got my Myspace. And during that time I slowly
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  left the faith, you know, I was parting a lot, you know, and
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  hiding it from my family. Fast forward all this, I
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  graduate Ventura High School. I'm just going to go.
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  I start playing music, sorry, when I'm 12.
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  So I'm playing rock'n'roll, reggae, rap.
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  You know, this is like Young Jeezy and T Pain and Usher, you
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  know, they're getting big. Eminem.
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  Eminem. I'm.
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  More the Eminem guy. Yeah, I played basketball, which
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  is like no one, no one told me, hey, this is probably a bad
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  sport for you to play. You're going to be really short.
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  You know, I'm as tall as Leonel Messi.
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  I could be a professional soccer player if I tried.
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  But for whatever reason, I played basketball my whole life,
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  right? And but that crowd I was in was
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  fully rebelling, right? And no one really believed in
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  God. The people that did were weird.
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  I went to youth group because I had to and I just didn't connect
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  with really anyone in that realm.
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  Now, mind you, during that time I'm also having like pretty
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  severe anxiety as a kid and panic attacks and have no idea
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  why. Kind of runs on both sides of
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  the family. But I was really angry at God
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  for that. It's a very limiting, terrifying
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  thing as a young person to have these like panic attacks, you
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  know? So I think I turn to a lot of
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  different things to help ease that pain in a certain sense.
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  And yes, there's a lot of happening there in high school,
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  but I, I graduate, I'm just going to go to Community College
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  and keep rock'n'roll and parting.
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  There's no God, might as well live it up.
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  And I end up getting caught by the cops and for drugs and have
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  to go to court. And obviously family's
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  incredibly disappointed and I'm depressed.
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  I'm anxious. All those friends that were my
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  friends weren't there for me anymore because I wasn't
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  partying anymore. Can I ask really quick, was it
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  marijuana or another drug? Yes.
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  And a little bit of some other stuff.
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  Yeah, OK. Yeah, it's, it's, it's so
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  tragic. Because that's now legal.
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  Totally. So there's no marijuana to ruin
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  my life. There's.
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  Always. There's no intervention anymore.
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  Now it's like you can smell like literally go outside and you
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  smell it on the streets. Totally.
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  And yeah, so that time was very destructive in a lot of ways.
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  But so I went to court and then I got invited to go to this
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  Steubenville conference, Steubenville Youth Conference.
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  I've been to two before. And, you know, it's like, I
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  don't want to go to this like Jesus thing where people are
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  like, I want to hug you and, you know, talk about God.
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  And I kind of knew the spiel, right?
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  But I was at such a low point and my mother, I think, forced
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  me to go. Wasn't an option.
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  Like you're going to go on this retreat.
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  Shout out to. The moms shout out to the moms
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  and yeah, in adoration. I mean, I went to confession it
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  was Audrey Asad, Matt Marm. I just had a life changing
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  experience in worship in adoration.
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  I've I experienced the weight of my sin and the gospel just hit
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  me every every preacher, every everything that we can just
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  radically transform my life. So I went home, just completely
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  different person. Threw away all the drugs, you
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  know, try to get rid of the pornography, started going to
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  mass. I was literally watching hours
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  of Mother Angelica every day. As a 19 year old man, that's a
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  little weird. I love that.
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  I love. UEW again?
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  Oh my gosh, that makes me want to cry.
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  I was praying with so beautiful. I was praying with grandma's
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  aftermath rosaries. I was watching with Super Saints
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  Beth and Penny. Lord like fell in love with the
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  truth. I found out that you can go and
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  study this thing called theology, you know, So I was a
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  music major at Ventura Colleges Community College and then I
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  went to Franciscan and studied theology and philosophy and
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  Franciscan change my life even more.
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  There I encountered God, the Holy Spirit.
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  I started leading worship at Studentville conferences myself
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  and then I just started getting calls to go play places.
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  This was nothing I look to do. This is nothing I like to build.
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  I started playing at my church for 30 kids at a Bible study and
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  just started leading worship and I couldn't sing like my mother
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  literally would tell me and I could literally picture her in
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  the kitchen being like, Andrew, stop singing, you sound
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  horrible. You know, and I was like, mom,
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  you're supposed to love me, you know, and God gave me a voice.
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  And I'm not like, you know, I'm not some insane vocalist or
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  anything, but but God, you know, started to give me a voice to
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  sing. And so that led me to starting
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  to travel around the country to start getting calls, go to lead
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  worship, share my testimony. And so mind you, where
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  technology ties in all this is I'm on every platform at this
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  point. I'm on your Snapchat.
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  I got Snapchat in college because there's a cute girl on
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  Snapchat. And I was like, wait, you can
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  just watch everything they do all day and see what they're
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  doing. This is incredible.
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  Creepy. When you think about it up, all
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  of social media is incredibly creepy when you think about it,
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  but particularly for this, it's like, oh, it's a really cute
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  girl. I can just watch what she does
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  all day. This is amazing.
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  That's why I went on Snapchat, by the way, had Instagram,
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  Facebook, Twitter at the time. You know, this is when Myspace
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  is dying and everything. So I'm on all the platforms and
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  now I'm starting to travel and play music and I'm posting all
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  my life and sharing all the crowds I'm in front of and
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  posting everything, right? I'm just starting to notice some
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  of these trade-offs, right, which are very subtle, but I
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  start to experience them more and more, which, you know,
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  Instagram really started to get, you know, really, I don't know
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  how to say it, but pornified pretty pretty quickly.
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  And then so my scroll would be like Father Mike Schmitz and
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  Bishop Aaron. And then like booty shorts, you
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  know, it was like, this is not helpful for me.
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  Like I'm entering into this world that has so much good and
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  then so many different images that are affecting for me
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  purity. And as a man that's trying to
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  live on my Catholic faith, I'm trying to be pure, right?
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  I'm trying to be chaste. I'm trying to prepare myself,
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  you know, for marriage and my vocation.
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  And so I noticed that a lot of these technologies were one,
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  starting to lead me to lust on a regular basis.
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  All of them, pretty much all of them.
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  Now, at this time, you know, you graduate Franciscan friends are
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  starting to get married, starting to post their
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  engagements, starting to post their families.
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  You know, I'm not, I'm not finding that person.
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  You know, I'm not, you know, getting that next thing, the
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  next thing I noticed the social comparison thing, it's happening
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  pretty regularly, right for me too, is like each scroll is
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  like, oh, look at what they're doing that I don't have.
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  That became very regular. And then also I definitely
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  noticed the just wasted time. And then this one idea I want to
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  kind of drive home on the back of our smartphones.
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  If you're an apple user, you know, is 1/2 eaten apple.
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  You know, you might be have heard this before, but you know,
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  what was the lie in the garden? It was, you know, the devil
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  tempted Adam and Eve. Hey, if you at the street of
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  knowledge, you become a like God.
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  So with the smartphone, we are participating in an attribute of
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  God, namely His omnipresence that we were never designed to
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  participate in. Wow.
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  So. That's an interesting.
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  Thought, now think about that and then think about the two
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  temptations to be Omni, benevolent and then omnipotent.
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  So with the smartphone, we're present to all things.
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  And I remember feeling this like, because I remember
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  starting to see all of the world's problems in the palm of
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  my hand, the earthquakes, the tsunamis, the killings, the
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  drama, the political, I started to get so overwhelmed with
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  reality that I, I remember kind of starting to just get more
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  numb, you know, from people's pain.
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  And now mind you, I'm trying to do ministry.
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  I'm on the road. I'm experiencing a plethora of
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  human experience all over the world that I'm trying to like
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  wrestle with and pray with and minister to.
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  And then mind you, I go back to my scroll and it's just all the
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  world's problems in the palm of hand.
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  So I realized pretty early we were not designed to participate
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  in omnipresence. And the temptation is now that
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  we have to solve the world's problems, be all loving, and
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  then actually we have the power to do so omnipotent.
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  So those weren't ideas that I was thinking of them, but I look
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  back and I'm like, whoa, I was omnipresent.
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  There's multiple data points showing that empathy has
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  decreased 40% the last 30 years. Empathy has.
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  Decreased how much? 40% the last 30 years amongst
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  college students I I see it by. The way, Yep.
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  Well, I noticed. They're asking about Charlie
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  Kirk's murder as an example. Go down the list, right?
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  It's like the things that I was starting to see in this digital
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  landscape, right? We have to understand that what
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  our biology is experiencing, we've never experienced before,
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  right? It was like really 200,000 years
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  ago is like language starts to get introduced.
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  You have a whole trajectory of technologies, right?
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  That from the printing press, which took about 500 years to
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  really start to impact culture. The digital landscape that we're
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  in now literally is like 1520 years, boom entering us, putting
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  us into worlds we were never designed to be in, right.
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  So, so I'd say it was a lost, I'd say it was a social
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  comparison. I'll say it was a waste of time.
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  The overload of information. I actually noticed I was
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  consuming so much information, even really good information.
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  I wasn't retaining it, so I got super deep in the health and
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  Wellness space. I loved healing, OK.
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  I got super fascinated with like Jesus's healing ministry very
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  early on. That's why you Sean Tobin's a
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  good friend. Yes, I started praying for
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  healing pretty early on. We started to see people getting
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  healed of like real diseases and then I noticed on the road
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  traveling too. We were starting to pray away
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  things that were largely due to our lifestyles, diet, diet and
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  exercise related meaning. Like I'm obese, I need to be
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  thin and like, well, you can pray for a miracle or you can
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  stop Downing 7UP or whatever it is.
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  We were going to all these events, a lot of charismatic
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  settings and praying for people that, you know, had illnesses
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  that I believe were largely due to our lifestyles and all the
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  data I think now is pointing to that right, which is an
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  effective technology which we'll get into.
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  So during that time, I was fascinated with all these
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  topics. And I'm also like, OK, I want to
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  be a St. and I want to be holy. And if I'm being honest, I think
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  social media also is making me really focused on myself.
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  I think the best way to be unhappy in life is to focus on
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  yourself. And I noticed my posts every day
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  with all me, right? I mean, every post is me.
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  And it was always my best day. It was not my lonely.
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  I mean, it's extremely lonely doing what I've done, you know,
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  in a lot of different ways. You mean the travelling?
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  Playing music. As a as a musician.
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  As a musician, I mean, you're playing in front of hundreds of
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  thousands of people, but a lot of your time is is not with
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  people, you know. But my Instagram looked
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  incredible. Are you Were you with the band?
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  Yeah, I had a band. I've had a band.
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  Were you guys very tight or you went off to your own separate?
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  Ways everyone lived everywhere. We were kind of flying to get
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  fly out. The Catholic world is, you know.
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  But your daily routine, it's not like you like like there used to
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  be back in the day. Your daily routine is like your
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  family, your your neighbor, the butcher, you know, like whatever
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  it was today, we almost don't, we don't even know the names of
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  our neighbors. We don't see our families.
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  They go to the office, they go to the school.
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  It's like we're alone. And then in the evenings of
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  parents are working kids or by themselves.
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  So there is this incredible disintegration of human beings.
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  I want to get into that because that's all tech related
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  actually, and to be human is to be technological.
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  So what we're going to nuance here throughout this whole
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  conversation, which is why I wrestle with this stuff every
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  day, is that there's infinite good that can come out of
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  technology and infinite evil. So it's really hard for us to
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  nuance this while we're just talking earlier, like Facebook
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  Right and I'm so proud of my dining room table there's.
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  Like this extremely unique thing that was a few $100 but.
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  It's this and that. This is Neil Postman's idea.
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  He said a new technology doesn't just change this or that, it
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  changes everything. So we have to think about in
• 20:17
  regards to media, in regards to the technology of the fork and
• 20:20
  the knife and the axe and the car and the light bulb.
• 20:24
  All these technologies have impacts on us, right?
• 20:27
  They're not just one thing, it's both.
• 20:29
  And So what I'm trying to kind of dissect is the burdens and
• 20:33
  the blessings that are being unveiled to us through these
• 20:38
  different modalities, right? So back to at least my time on
• 20:43
  the road. I, I definitely noticed me
• 20:44
  sharing my day every day, sharing all my thoughts, sharing
• 20:48
  all the crowds I was in front of.
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  The question just kept coming up, am I trying to share my
• 20:53
  faith or am I just trying to share me because I'm the brand
• 20:56
  technically. And I just found that that was
• 21:00
  making me really focused on myself.
• 21:02
  And the more I started to study the lives of the Saints, I was
• 21:04
  like, Mother Teresa hated getting pictures taken of her,
• 21:08
  right? And I really love the
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  Carthusian. Carthusian, the monks, they
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  would, you know, with a spoon, this is a little intense, but I
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  love this kind of intense stuff with a spoon.
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  They dig a bit of their grave every day to remember their
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  mortality and actually at the end of their lives.
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  This is Nicholas Diaz book of time to die.
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  He goes through this. They would burn all of their
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  pictures and writings. They wanted to be solely known
• 21:31
  by the Lord instead of the world.
• 21:32
  That's a little radical. I'm not saying that we all need
• 21:34
  to do that, but I noticed that my scrolling of myself every day
• 21:38
  was making me very focused on self.
• 21:39
  So here's a Long story short. There's a lot more there.
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  But in 2018 I was like, all this is leading me to be unhappy
• 21:46
  ultimately, and I'm a I'm trying to be a student of Doctor Arthur
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  Brooks. He's, he's a hero of mine.
• 21:53
  I'd say in a lot of ways, he'll. Come on the show.
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  I think in two. Weeks.
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  Yeah, he's great. I just met him in Franciscan.
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  His whole talk he just gave it Franciscan was essentially on
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  humanality. I love it you're.
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  Like you're my spokesman. Yes, it was literally all on
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  like the meaningless crisis is largely due to our digital
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  interactions. They're just, they're shallow,
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  right? It's not real.
• 22:12
  Anyway, so I deleted everything in 2018 and here's some of the
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  fruits that happened. I went to a flip phone.
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  So this is, this wasn't cool yet, right?
• 22:20
  The digital minimalism movement hasn't really started.
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  I knew this was leading me to sin in many different ways and I
• 22:26
  wanted to be free. And I definitely felt the
• 22:28
  algorithms controlling me, which I didn't like.
• 22:31
  And so a couple things I noticed really quickly after was my
• 22:36
  friendships, right? Before you tell me about the
• 22:38
  good fruit of deleting social media, and it wasn't just to be
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  clear, you didn't just delete social media.
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  You deleted a smartphone. You deleted your, your, your
• 22:47
  supercomputer that was in your phone.
• 22:48
  So it wasn't just I, I mean, right.
• 22:51
  I mean, so, but I've got to ask you.
• 22:54
  So 2018 is an early time to do that too.
• 22:57
  I mean, I have one of my best friends also who's been on the
• 22:59
  show with you. I'm Stephanie Gray Connors.
• 23:00
  Now she went social media free cold Turkey, I think in maybe
• 23:04
  2020 maybe. And she was like, again, an
• 23:08
  early adopter for this. And but she like will ask me who
• 23:13
  has social media, Hey, can you share my book or share this or
• 23:16
  that? So she she understands still the
• 23:18
  use of the thing, right? You were in ministry, you had a
• 23:22
  band that something that was your career.
• 23:25
  That's how you made money. How when you were like just
• 23:28
  going cold Turkey and deleting everything.
• 23:29
  Did you think, I mean, you could have, you could have done the
• 23:32
  Sia thing. The artist, the musician, she's
• 23:36
  like, never shows her face. Oh, that's fun.
• 23:38
  And then? It's definitely not about her,
• 23:40
  but is she still promoting her and her music?
• 23:41
  Obviously. But how did you square that?
• 23:44
  Yeah, obviously as a single guy at the time, and still I am, but
• 23:48
  at the time I realized I didn't have a family, that I was
• 23:51
  dependent, but I had bills. This is where people, I, I get
• 23:53
  the argument they're like, we don't have a family and you
• 23:55
  don't have, I have plenty of bills.
• 23:57
  I had, you know, college debt. I mean, I had things that had to
• 24:00
  be paid, right? So I thought of all those things
• 24:04
  for sure. Here's what's crazy.
• 24:06
  What happened that year, I deleted everything.
• 24:09
  I went more places around the world.
• 24:11
  It was the wildest year. Like I got more gigs.
• 24:14
  I had too many events. I went all over Canada, South
• 24:17
  America, Europe and I think Jerusalem.
• 24:20
  How do they know about you? Word of mouth and I say God and
• 24:24
  I was playing in front of big crowds in a lot of places and
• 24:26
  people heard. You did that continue.
• 24:29
  Oh yeah, yeah. So 2020 hit.
• 24:32
  More than COVID. I was in Jerusalem in March of
• 24:34
  2020 leading worship. And mind you, that year I just
• 24:37
  played my biggest show. Yeah, it was 10,000 people in
• 24:40
  DC. It was amazing.
• 24:41
  And here's one thing that came up that really it, I felt it
• 24:48
  deeply. I remember playing the show,
• 24:51
  it's 10,000 people. It's 2020.
• 24:52
  I remember people coming like, dude, you made it, bro, this is
• 24:54
  incredible, blah blah. And this thing like came up to
• 24:59
  me that was like, I wish I could post this so people could see me
• 25:03
  that they can know that I'm doing this thing right.
• 25:08
  And when I felt that I was like, oh, you know, I didn't like that
• 25:13
  about about that experience because it was like, here's this
• 25:18
  thing I'm doing and I deeply want to be seen, known and loved
• 25:21
  like all of us. And this is when I thought about
• 25:24
  a couple ladies, you know, that I'd like to see me playing in
• 25:26
  front of all these people, you know what I mean?
• 25:28
  And and it really, it was a kind of a turning moment where I was
• 25:34
  like, well, I'm definitely noticing that me sharing me all
• 25:39
  the time is a is, is affecting my perception of reality and of
• 25:44
  myself and who I am and who I'm called to be.
• 25:46
  I was looking for affirmation. I love the like button like we
• 25:50
  all do. I was getting just as much
• 25:51
  dopamine as everybody else. I look at all my comments, I
• 25:54
  look at who liked it, who didn't, how many likes I got.
• 25:58
  I was addicted to all these things.
• 26:00
  You know, we'll get in all the mechanisms at play that are
• 26:02
  doing that to us. But that really was a kind of
• 26:06
  turning point where I'm like, I don't I don't think I'm ever
• 26:09
  going to go back to these platforms in this capacity,
• 26:13
  right. So that was 2020.
• 26:14
  I'm in Jerusalem, 2020 March. I'm playing in in the holiest
• 26:19
  places in the world, right? And COVID sitting, that's early
• 26:23
  on, right? So I'm at that point where I'm
• 26:24
  flying back, literally COVID is hitting our hotel in Jerusalem
• 26:27
  and I'm like, oh, we're all going to die at this time.
• 26:29
  I'm living. I have.
• 26:30
  No social media to talk. About right, right?
• 26:32
  An anonymous death, like the crustaceans.
• 26:35
  And I went to, I flew back home here because I'm like, if we're
• 26:38
  all going to die, I want to be surfing.
• 26:39
  At least you know while this is happening.
• 26:41
  You're not allowed to surf during COVID.
• 26:42
  I know I got we got in trouble, but anyway I went back to surf
• 26:46
  and be with my family the. Ocean might give you COVID.
• 26:48
  That's right, because there's COVID on the ocean.
• 26:50
  Yeah, I can't even. Right.
• 26:52
  Yeah, I came to very different conclusions with that whole
• 26:55
  experience, which we don't have to talk about here, but I'm
• 26:57
  home. And the fine thing is during
• 27:00
  that time, I'm like everything turned to Zoom.
• 27:02
  All my events were on Zoom and I literally started this.
• 27:05
  It was like a live. I just used the live Instagram
• 27:09
  thing where I like interviewed friends or whatever and I did.
• 27:12
  You did go on Instagram. Yeah, so I like literally went
• 27:14
  back. I'm like, OK, I'm going to do
• 27:16
  this for two months during quarantine and when quarantine
• 27:19
  is done, I'm just going to get off this, but I'm going to have
• 27:22
  these like interviews and we just talked about scripture each
• 27:25
  day and it was kind of cool. Even at that moment when I had
• 27:27
  that again, I found myself scrolling again.
• 27:30
  I found myself comparing again. I found myself seeing things
• 27:33
  online that were not helping my purity.
• 27:35
  It's like this, all the same things came back.
• 27:37
  And mind you, prior to 2018, I tried to be moderate like
• 27:40
  multiple times. I did the month fast, the three
• 27:43
  months, OK, I'm just going to go in here.
• 27:44
  I can never find that moderation.
• 27:47
  Abigail Shire says that when we talk about moderation in regards
• 27:50
  to technology, with teenagers at least, it's like nurses going to
• 27:53
  high schools telling students to moderate ecstasy.
• 27:56
  It's the wrong conversation, right?
• 27:57
  Walk us through the why that is though, like, and folks
• 28:01
  listening, you know, most people by now have heard a study or
• 28:05
  maybe they're familiar with Jonathan Heights, The Ancient
• 28:07
  Generation, his amazing New York Times wrestling book.
• 28:11
  I know there's an article that you sent us about his The
• 28:14
  Devil's Plan to Ruin the Next Generation, which we're going to
• 28:16
  talk about. But give us what are, would you
• 28:18
  say, the most compelling data points that every person you
• 28:23
  think should know about the negative consequences of social
• 28:30
  media use in terms of its drug like capacity to addict us and
• 28:36
  to short circuit our brains and harm us ultimate.
• 28:39
  And this is great. This can take us down like a
• 28:40
  very deep, long rabbit hole. So if you need to bring me back
• 28:43
  to what we were impacting prior, let me know.
• 28:45
  Let's start walking into the rabbit hole at least a little
• 28:47
  bit. I love this.
• 28:48
  You're very good at this. OK, OK, so this is a really good
• 28:51
  quote that I think you have to start with first.
• 28:53
  OK, actually there's a few things to walk into this.
• 28:56
  OK, so we have to think about this precautionary principle
• 28:59
  that has not been applied to these technologies, right?
• 29:01
  Again, think of technology as a light bulb, the car, the train
• 29:05
  media has its own technologies, the printing press, you know,
• 29:09
  computers, etcetera. So, and Neil Postman, you know,
• 29:13
  said this as well as that, you know, to begin a critique of
• 29:16
  technology, one must first acknowledge its its success.
• 29:20
  So I have to as a critic of a lot of these media platforms and
• 29:23
  technologies, I have to acknowledge technology has given
• 29:26
  us incredible, amazing goods. This is the best time to be
• 29:31
  alive, full stop, for many reasons.
• 29:34
  Now, in Anna Lemke's book, Doctor John Finucane, she
• 29:37
  quotes, he's a Johns Hopkins professor, he says, quote, we
• 29:40
  are cacti in a rainforest, simply meaning that because of
• 29:45
  the abundance the technologies have created, there's been
• 29:48
  incredible trade-offs that have happened because of this, right?
• 29:51
  So this precautionary principle looks at different technologies
• 29:55
  and actually says, OK, what's the possible trade-offs of some
• 29:58
  of these things? No one gave us any informed
• 30:01
  consent when we were given a smartphone that hey, this could
• 30:04
  actually really affect your attention.
• 30:06
  This could actually really affect your mental health.
• 30:09
  This is going to have a library of pornography that's incredibly
• 30:11
  addictive, more than methamphetamine.
• 30:14
  This is going to largely create a lot of issues with your sleep
• 30:18
  and you know, whole plethora of others.
• 30:20
  And then it'll distract you from your real world relationships.
• 30:23
  It's a physical time commitment that you're not realizing fully.
• 30:27
  You're signing up for that when you're on now, you know, with
• 30:30
  your friends, with your kids, with your spouse, with your
• 30:33
  parents. This is going to be popping up
• 30:35
  to command your attention, so. No one entered into these
• 30:38
  technologies. Any precautionary principle.
• 30:40
  What's the possible trip? We just went into this.
• 30:42
  I got my smartphone. I don't even remember for the
• 30:44
  day I got it, to be honest. It was a part of my life.
• 30:46
  There's literally a clinical diagnosis now called nomophobia,
• 30:49
  which is a phobia of being separated from your device,
• 30:52
  which I think we all experienced some capacity, but young people
• 30:55
  are literally having full on panic attacks if they have any
• 30:57
  kind of separation from the device.
• 30:59
  So it's literally becoming a part of us, right, to a certain
• 31:02
  degree. Well, mine's right here.
• 31:03
  Yeah, full. Disclosure guys, right?
• 31:06
  And my baby. Right here on the I have it in
• 31:09
  part because I like reference it for interviews, but I mean, I
• 31:12
  guess sometimes it's in my bed, but.
• 31:14
  Yeah, really fun. It's.
• 31:15
  True. It's with me a lot.
• 31:16
  Yeah, like most. But it's but it's also because
• 31:18
  the tools are so mixed together, right?
• 31:20
  Where's your phone, by the way? It's over there.
• 31:23
  My I have a light phone. It's a it's a flip phone.
• 31:25
  Or not. It's called the light Phone.
• 31:27
  It's a dumb phone. I'll show it to you.
• 31:28
  Like it? We should actually look at it
• 31:30
  during the interview. Yeah, it'd be great, Sandy, if
• 31:32
  you want to go. Get it?
• 31:33
  But you were in the rabbit hole I want to keep.
• 31:34
  Going, I'm going, I'm going to keep venturing through this
• 31:37
  intellectual realm. So this precautionary principle,
• 31:40
  we have to understand, no one told us what was going to happen
• 31:42
  to us. We really think as a as a
• 31:45
  species that convenience is the best thing in all situations,
• 31:48
  all times. My argument actually in this is
• 31:50
  in a lot of the comfort crisis with Michael Easter, his book
• 31:54
  comforts killing us in a lot of different ways.
• 31:56
  And the convenience of a lot of these communication platforms
• 32:00
  and a lot of these social media platforms are creating a lot of
• 32:05
  problems, right? So convenience we have to think
• 32:07
  is always not a good, it's not always a good thing.
• 32:10
  Think of McDonald's, right? Incredibly convenient.
• 32:12
  If you eat McDonald's every day, you're going to get incredibly
• 32:15
  sick. So right now your average screen
• 32:17
  time for young people is about 8 hours and 39 minutes a day.
• 32:20
  For young people, what's that? Age group, so that's high school
• 32:23
  and some and young adults. High schoolers are spending an
• 32:26
  average of 8 hours a day. On the screen 8 hours and 39
• 32:28
  minutes a day. But what about school Is that is
• 32:31
  some of that? There is so there's a big
• 32:33
  transition now of obviously school is getting out of or
• 32:36
  phones getting out of schools in the daytime, but this is
• 32:38
  literally after school still racking up 8 hours.
• 32:41
  OK, low income I. Mean, I believe you, but like,
• 32:43
  so just 24 hours in a day. Let's just say you're sleeping 8
• 32:45
  hours, which I know a lot of high school kids aren't.
• 32:47
  That's part of the problem. They're on their devices till
• 32:49
  like 1:00 AM. But so if they're in school for
• 32:52
  what, 8 hours? I was homeschooled.
• 32:54
  So how long do you go to school? You went to real school.
• 32:56
  I went to real school. Was it 8 hours a day?
• 32:57
  I. Guess yeah. 8 hours then I
• 33:00
  guess. Yeah, there's another 8 hours
• 33:03
  hours that you could be on that phone.
• 33:05
  Yeah, if you're sleeping 8 hours, you're on your Phone 8
• 33:07
  hours, and then you are in school for 8 hours.
• 33:10
  It's it's insane. I mean, I've, I mean, I believe
• 33:12
  it. I.
• 33:12
  Just I was on a. Retreat once and talking to, you
• 33:14
  know, kids and I was like raising if you feel like you
• 33:16
  don't hear God, you know, some kids raise their hand and I was
• 33:18
  like, what's your screen time? One kids screen time was 14
• 33:22
  hours a day. This is actually pretty common
• 33:25
  actually, so here. Sorry, sorry to interrupt you,
• 33:28
  but just to get to the bottom of this, in particular, for
• 33:31
  example, my screen time includes text time, it includes maps
• 33:35
  time. This is my like, excuse I guess,
• 33:37
  right? Yeah, text time, maps time,
• 33:39
  basically any app on the phone is considered screen time,
• 33:43
  including actually a phone call. So what?
• 33:47
  How much of that? Eight hours.
• 33:49
  Let's break those down South. About 5 1/2 hours is the average
• 33:51
  social media time that young people are on on social media.
• 33:54
  So after 30 minutes, you are 2X in your risk of depression and
• 33:58
  anxiety. 130 minutes on social media, 30 minutes on social
• 34:02
  media, you are double X ING your risk of mood disorders, anxiety
• 34:06
  and depression. Now, and I don't think this is
• 34:08
  just so here's the thing too. This is why this is so complex.
• 34:11
  It's impacting different generations in many different
• 34:14
  ways, right? So it's up to 10 hours actually
• 34:17
  screen time for low income communities, which is even more
• 34:20
  horrible I think. Well, I've noticed if when
• 34:23
  there's children after school, the parents are working a lot
• 34:27
  and, and you know, higher income families can work a lot too.
• 34:29
  So it's like, but they might be, you know, if they're like doing
• 34:32
  janitorial work or they're doing retail work, they're going to be
• 34:35
  out doing that and the kid is going to be on a screen and
• 34:38
  that's their after school program is watching cartoons.
• 34:43
  It's really hard to find good content to watch with my kids
• 34:46
  for when they are allowed to have screen time.
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  I'm always on the lookout for low stimulating, story driven
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• 36:22
  break down your life into months, right, your average 18
• 36:24
  year old with a 90 year lifespan, third of your life is
• 36:27
  asleep, right? It's like 27 months, like, you
• 36:30
  know, working. There's like 22 months in the
• 36:32
  bathroom or something hilarious like that, you know, break it
• 36:34
  down. There's about 300 and 34 months
• 36:37
  of free time that you're going to have right now for young
• 36:40
  people with an average lifespan of 90 years. 18 year olds are on
• 36:44
  pace to spend 93% of that time on a screen, which is going to
• 36:48
  amount to 27 years of their life on a screen.
• 36:52
  This is wild, but it's extremely fascinating and important what
• 36:55
  you're saying. So if you break up 90 years of
• 36:58
  life, which is a long lifespan, into months, 22 months in the
• 37:01
  bathroom. There's some fun, something like
• 37:03
  that, yeah, you breakdown like this, these amount of months is
• 37:06
  work. This is like.
• 37:07
  So the the 330 ish months of free time over a 90 year
• 37:11
  lifespan after you take out personal care, eating, sleeping
• 37:16
  and you take out work. So this would be like time you
• 37:20
  could be this. Is when you're falling in love.
• 37:22
  This is when you're going on trips.
• 37:23
  This is when you're playing an instrument.
• 37:24
  This is when you're reading a book.
• 37:25
  This is when you're learning a new recipe like Name the Human
• 37:28
  Things that we're losing. 93% of that time right now for them is
• 37:32
  going to be spent on the screen and they're going to look back
• 37:35
  on their life and look at 27 years of screen time.
• 37:39
  So really a huge part of why I'm doing what I'm doing is I want
• 37:42
  to help people get their time back into their lives.
• 37:45
  I was just on Tammy Peterson's show and share this data.
• 37:48
  I was like talked to a lot of pastors and people that, you
• 37:51
  know, accompany people on their deathbed.
• 37:53
  And what do people talk about when they're dying?
• 37:56
  I'm very interested in that topic.
• 37:57
  And guess what? It's not the company you built.
• 37:59
  It's not how much money you had. It's not how many followers
• 38:02
  you've had. It's not how much Netflix you
• 38:03
  watched even. It's not the movies.
• 38:05
  It's not anything but people. It relates to regrets with not
• 38:10
  spending enough time with people or wishing they did more things
• 38:13
  with people. And Tammy's like, I can confirm
• 38:15
  that when I was dying because Tammy, Tammy was dying cancer,
• 38:19
  she said she literally thought of her son and thought of her
• 38:22
  son having children. It's all people orientated.
• 38:26
  So I think what I'm realizing is that it's not necessarily what
• 38:30
  the phone is doing to us and screens are doing to us.
• 38:32
  It's what they're undoing in our lives.
• 38:35
  It's what they're eroding. I think that is actually more
• 38:37
  alarming than what they're giving us because they seem to
• 38:39
  give us a lot, but they're actually designed to take away
• 38:43
  more from us than they give. So this is where we maybe get
• 38:45
  back into a little bit of the history of these platforms.
• 38:48
  This is from Sean Parker. He's the founding president of
• 38:51
  Facebook with Zuckerberg. This quotes in every book.
• 38:54
  So I'm just going to give kind of high level points to help
• 38:57
  people understand the history of these technologies, how they
• 39:00
  were designed and how they're manipulating us.
• 39:02
  And then your decision on how you want to use them.
• 39:04
  Because ultimately I'm realizing, yeah, social media is
• 39:07
  not going away for me. It's been better to not
• 39:10
  participate in that. But I get for people's
• 39:12
  businesses or for Facebook Marketplace, like there's things
• 39:16
  in that that I realized people are utilizing for good, which is
• 39:18
  obviously a lot of my friends that I realize have their place.
• 39:23
  But we have to understand the trade-offs are massive for most
• 39:26
  people, right? Well, you're going to read that
• 39:28
  quote and what we're going to get to, and I know we've said
• 39:31
  and like, let's be sure to talk about this with humanality.
• 39:34
  All of what you're doing is laying the groundwork for the
• 39:36
  problem, to wake up to the problem, be very sober minded
• 39:39
  about what are we actually dealing with and then there is a
• 39:41
  solution. And so I'm excited to get to
• 39:43
  that. Yes, we're going to get to very
• 39:44
  happy stuff. This is all the intense stuff
• 39:46
  that like I read every day that's super depressing.
• 39:48
  Like it's really hard sometimes to be happy when I understand
• 39:52
  understand the amount that's happening in the world, in
• 39:54
  people's lives. And mind you, I'm on the road
• 39:56
  speaking all over the world essentially on this topic.
• 39:58
  I have 6th grade girls coming up to me telling me tik Tok's
• 40:01
  ruining their life. Yes, people are dying because.
• 40:04
  I have a story with that too. Maybe remind me that story after
• 40:07
  this. A dying TikTok.
• 40:08
  Story well, sadly connected to Snapchat, but I would like to
• 40:12
  share that story. This is Sean Parker, the
• 40:14
  founding president of Facebook. He says, quote, the thought
• 40:17
  process that went into building these alications, Facebook being
• 40:20
  the first of them was all about quote, how do we consume as much
• 40:23
  of your time and conscious attention as possible?
• 40:26
  And that means we sort of we need to sort of give you a
• 40:28
  little dopamine hit every once in a while because someone liked
• 40:31
  or commented on a post or a photo or whatever.
• 40:34
  And that's going to get you to contribute more content and
• 40:36
  that's going to get you more likes and comments.
• 40:38
  It's a social validation feedback loop, exactly the kind
• 40:42
  of thing that a hacker like myself would come up with
• 40:46
  because you're exploiting a vulnerability in human
• 40:48
  psychology. It's Kevin Systrom on Instagram,
• 40:51
  it's Zuckerberg. It's all these people understood
• 40:53
  this consciously and we did it anyway.
• 40:56
  So you have to understand the people that created these
• 40:59
  technologies were purposely trying to consume our attention.
• 41:02
  So here's the genesis of that. There's a few important names
• 41:05
  We'll get into some of the science BF Skinners, one of
• 41:07
  them, BJ Fogs, another one. I don't know what the B thing is
• 41:10
  with these like psychology professors, but it starts with
• 41:13
  Skinner cages, right? Have you heard of the Skinner
• 41:15
  cages studies with rats that actually showed that, you know,
• 41:20
  it was how they were getting addicted to different, you know,
• 41:23
  drugs and was really trying to, you know, unpack addiction
• 41:25
  science, right? So they put them in Skinner
• 41:28
  cages. They they saw.
• 41:29
  It was a Skinner cage it. Was essentially BF Skinner was a
• 41:31
  psychologist that created these environments.
• 41:33
  For rats to do test. Testing on them and they were
• 41:36
  incredibly isolated and they got addicted to the morphine and
• 41:39
  they noticed instead of just giving it a perfect hit.
• 41:41
  At the same time, they noticed that this intermittent positive
• 41:45
  feedback or variable reward system made the rats more
• 41:49
  addicted to the drug. So instead of just knowing at a
• 41:53
  perfect time they're going to get it, it was the uncertainty,
• 41:55
  the novelty that created addiction.
• 41:58
  Right now, think of every slot machine, think of every social
• 42:01
  media swipe. It's all novelty and
• 42:04
  intermittent positive feedback. So guys like BJ Vog, he's
• 42:08
  teaching in the 1990s, I think, at the Stanford Persuasive
• 42:12
  Technology Lab. Do you want to know the name of
• 42:14
  the website for this lab? I'll tell you Lila, it is
• 42:19
  machines designed to change humans.com.
• 42:23
  Machine. Is it still up?
• 42:25
  I don't know actually. Stanford designed to change
• 42:28
  humans. Designed to change humans.com.
• 42:32
  This is definitely a 90 zero 100%.
• 42:34
  It doesn't look like it exactly. They probably took it down.
• 42:37
  Yeah, I'm like, that's not, that's not a good look anymore.
• 42:39
  Yeah, not a good look anymore. Just like Google took out of
• 42:41
  actually their company. Don't Be evil.
• 42:44
  They took that out in 2018. That's a fun fact.
• 42:47
  The Wayback Machine. OK, keep going.
• 42:49
  DJ Fogg, it's. About the Wayback Machine now
• 42:51
  but. DJ Fogg has this class now
• 42:53
  called the Facebook class. Now this is all of your founders
• 42:56
  of all of the major tech platforms you can think of.
• 42:58
  He starts to teach them these Skinner principles and many
• 43:02
  other different principles on how to addict people and change
• 43:05
  their human behavior through incentives, right?
• 43:08
  He calls them put it, you know, putting hot triggers in front of
• 43:10
  motivated people was one of his main quotes.
• 43:13
  So he took this Facebook class with sharing these studies from
• 43:16
  BF Skinner and others called behaviorism.
• 43:19
  This is literally how to manipulate people's behavior and
• 43:21
  showed actually with those principles they were applied.
• 43:24
  They use them in 10 weeks they created over $16 million of
• 43:28
  revenue and like 1,000,000 users and sons some app.
• 43:32
  This was what year? This was like in the early 90s.
• 43:34
  And voila, all of your social media platforms are born.
• 43:38
  So they start with BJ Fogg. And he's tried to, you know,
• 43:41
  share that he's not, you know, he regrets.
• 43:44
  I think a lot of these things you start to find out a lot of
• 43:46
  these guys who knew what they were doing and, and knew that
• 43:49
  this would literally transform the way people thought.
• 43:53
  They relate to themselves and each other.
• 43:55
  So BJ Fox started with these kind of principles, this
• 43:58
  equation B = M AT behavior change equals motivation,
• 44:02
  ability and trigger. So now think of every social
• 44:05
  media platform to change our motivation.
• 44:07
  We're social creatures. So Daniel Lieberman, I think
• 44:10
  he's at UCLA neuroscientist talks about how actually our
• 44:13
  brains reflexively think social. And this is how God created us,
• 44:17
  right? So this is what's so amazing.
• 44:19
  God created us to be social creatures.
• 44:21
  These platforms are actually hijacking this deep gift that
• 44:26
  God has given us for the social literally, Daniel Lieberman
• 44:30
  talks about this. Our brains reflex is to think
• 44:32
  about people, right? So these platforms are praying
• 44:36
  upon us in these multiple different ways, all using this
• 44:39
  equation. Behavior equals motivation,
• 44:41
  ability trigger. What's our motivation?
• 44:42
  It's to be social. Most of social media is just
• 44:44
  people watching. When you kind of get above what
• 44:46
  you're scrolling, you're just watching people because we're
• 44:49
  social, right? So they know that they know our
• 44:52
  deepest motivation, especially for teenagers is a social right.
• 44:55
  Remember Me in high school, I changed the way I dressed.
• 44:57
  I had to start cussing. I had to start listening to
• 44:59
  Usher and do the drugs and go to the parties to fit in, right?
• 45:02
  Because as social creatures at that development time, we need
• 45:05
  connection. We can't get out of the tribe.
• 45:08
  If we get pushed out of the tribe, that's death, right?
• 45:10
  Now go into a digital framework. You're getting a dopamine hit
• 45:14
  with this intermittent positive feedback, this variable reward
• 45:17
  system because you don't know what's coming next.
• 45:19
  That keeps you in the scroll. And I know you know about
• 45:21
  dopamine, right? So dopamine is this
• 45:23
  neurotransmitter in the brain makes you feel good again, a
• 45:26
  gift from God. If you have if you don't have
• 45:28
  dopamine, you die, right? Makes you feel really good if
• 45:31
  you. Don't have dopamine, you die.
• 45:32
  Well, because you'll have no motivation, you'll lose all
• 45:35
  motivation. So Anna Lemke talks about this
• 45:37
  too in her book Dopamine Nation. But that anticipatory motivation
• 45:41
  for the social is what keeps you in the doom scroll and literally
• 45:44
  gaming. This is Doctor Nicholas
• 45:46
  Corderis's work. He wrote a book called Glow Kids
• 45:48
  and Digital Madness. He's on our board of advisors,
• 45:51
  but he talks about actually the dopamine released during gaming
• 45:54
  in 1998 was 100%. It was 100% increase from your
• 46:00
  base level dopamine state with gaming in 1998.
• 46:03
  And guess what else releases dopamine at 100%?
• 46:06
  Sex. So sex is usually a time limited
• 46:10
  thing, you know, And with gaming, it can actually be 12
• 46:13
  plus hours long of gaming on these platforms.
• 46:15
  That is increasing the Super physiological states of dopamine
• 46:19
  right now. Think of your social media
• 46:20
  platforms, super physiological. I talked a lot of people and I
• 46:24
  experienced this myself. There's this almost loss of
• 46:27
  time, right? That happens.
• 46:28
  You don't realize how long you're scrolling.
• 46:30
  Hours can go by. It's because you're getting a
• 46:32
  dopamine hit of novelty from this variable reward system in
• 46:36
  the brain that is keeping you glued to more, more, more, more,
• 46:40
  more, right? So what does that do to us after
• 46:42
  it's a crash? There's all these studies that
• 46:44
  show that Facebook depression is actually a real thing.
• 46:47
  And actually this euphoric recall is what they call it.
• 46:50
  So when you scroll for a long time after Facebook, you most
• 46:52
  likely feel depressed after. Here's the thing, Lila, I've
• 46:55
  never heard anyone in all the years I've kind of been thinking
• 46:57
  about this, talking about this after four hours of scrolling.
• 47:00
  Name is social media platform that people are like, Oh my
• 47:03
  gosh, the world is in such a great place.
• 47:05
  I love my life and I can't wait to do my 3:00 AM workout
• 47:08
  tomorrow morning. You know, most people after a
• 47:11
  scroll are like, what did I do with my time that was incredibly
• 47:14
  wasteful? And we're all going to die
• 47:16
  because AI is the world, which it might be, It might be.
• 47:20
  And we will all die, right, because we do die, right.
• 47:23
  But like. Right.
• 47:24
  But it's this thing called euphoric recall.
• 47:26
  We look back on that dopamine experience of feeling good about
• 47:29
  watching people. And again, this is what's so
• 47:31
  difficult. I love that we get to watch our
• 47:33
  grandma and I love that I can FaceTime my grandpa and you
• 47:37
  know, there is something good within that.
• 47:39
  That's why it's really hard to nuance this.
• 47:41
  But along with that viewing of what your friend is doing over
• 47:44
  there, you're also getting a really angry person is talking
• 47:47
  about something political, right?
• 47:48
  You're also getting something. I mean, I literally remember
• 47:52
  watching on my Instagram scroll like the Sri Lankan tsunamis,
• 47:56
  literally watch the guy just get hit by a 30 foot tsunami and
• 47:58
  die. And then I went on to my next
• 48:00
  scroll, right? So there's so much happening.
• 48:03
  But so these guys founding these companies knew this.
• 48:05
  Steve Jobs in the 2010 interview was asked, how are your kids
• 48:09
  loving the new iPad? He said, we do not give them
• 48:11
  these technologies. We limit their use.
• 48:13
  Shamath also worked with Facebook starting and he
• 48:17
  literally said, quote, I don't use this crap.
• 48:20
  I don't even give this to my kids.
• 48:22
  All of the founders of all these big tech platforms went to
• 48:24
  what's called a Waldorf schools, which are low tech to zero tech
• 48:28
  schools. And they don't send their kids
• 48:30
  to schools with technology. So when the they, when they
• 48:33
  aren't getting high on their own supply, it's something to
• 48:37
  acknowledge, right? Because it's shaping who we are.
• 48:40
  So that's one, two major mechanisms, right?
• 48:42
  Social approval, it's huge. I can't even dive into how deep
• 48:47
  that is, especially for young people on why we're stuck in
• 48:50
  these platforms. And then the intermittent
• 48:52
  positive feedback. Those are two really big
• 48:55
  mechanisms that are being deployed on purpose.
• 48:58
  So again, that's motivation. Now let's think of the ability,
• 49:01
  the convenience of the ease of these technologies creates that
• 49:07
  misuse of it, right? There's no friction.
• 49:09
  So if you read Atomic Habits and you look at James Clear's work
• 49:11
  on changing habits, right, a huge part of what he talks about
• 49:15
  is creating friction and some of these, you know, conveniences
• 49:19
  that are maybe detrimental in our life.
• 49:21
  What does that mean? So friction is just making
• 49:24
  something a little bit more difficult.
• 49:25
  So instead of your Instagram being on your phone, put it on
• 49:27
  your computer. So this is Tomic Habits, who's
• 49:30
  the author, James Clear, and it's his advice for how to
• 49:33
  create better habits or root out bad habits.
• 49:36
  And to root out the bad habits, you need to create the thing
• 49:39
  that you were doing that was easy and fun and comfortable
• 49:41
  that you're addicted to make it harder to do.
• 49:44
  Yes, and that's what's so hard about the addiction.
• 49:45
  So if you love to. Eat Oreo cookies.
• 49:48
  Don't put them in the house. You have to go to the grocery
• 49:50
  store. Buy the cookies.
• 49:51
  Just like you've never put alcohol in the room with an
• 49:54
  alcohol. Or if you have a porn you should
• 49:56
  install covenant eyes on your phone with the code Lila one
• 50:01
  month free. Anyways, Covenant eyes is great,
• 50:04
  but you make it harder to do the bad thing.
• 50:06
  Correct. No, this is what's so hard with
• 50:08
  the phone, with the screen, just to your point, you have maps,
• 50:11
  you have communication, you have information.
• 50:14
  The information is ubiquitous, right?
• 50:15
  But the impact of being again, omnipresent, what's happening.
• 50:19
  And this is a Nicholas Carr's book, The Shallows and his
• 50:22
  latest book, Super Bloom. I highly recommend he talks
• 50:25
  about the reality that when we were being proposed all these
• 50:28
  technologies, when Zuckerberg named the guy, we're going to
• 50:31
  connect the world, right? What were they saying?
• 50:33
  This is going to be the most incredible thing ever.
• 50:35
  We're going to connect the world, right?
• 50:37
  We didn't realize that connecting the world would have
• 50:40
  so many trade-offs, right? Polarization.
• 50:43
  Think about how many families don't talk to each other now
• 50:46
  because family members because of stuff people are posting
• 50:49
  online. Politically, it's destroying so
• 50:52
  many relationships in so many different ways, right?
• 50:55
  Just because of people voicing opinions, sometimes bad
• 50:58
  opinions, terrible opinions, but they're they see the family
• 51:01
  member doing it. They're like, well, I can't have
• 51:03
  you over for dinner. Totally.
• 51:05
  I mean, literally there's people that Nicholas Carr quotes that
• 51:07
  were talking about that electronic communication is
• 51:09
  literally going to abolish war. It's going to abolish war.
• 51:12
  It's going to create this incredible socio anomic
• 51:15
  equality. Like people are going to have
• 51:17
  more understanding and information to be empowered.
• 51:20
  We're seeing actually the complete opposite.
• 51:22
  There's a study called brain drain, I think it was 2017 that
• 51:25
  actually just showed researchers took students, they put them in
• 51:28
  a room, had them do different cognitive tests, IQ tests, all
• 51:31
  these things had the phone completely outside the room.
• 51:34
  As the phone got closer and they took cognitive tests, their
• 51:37
  scores declined. Even the phone next to them face
• 51:41
  down not on their performance on the cognitive test decrease.
• 51:45
  Because there was like a hyper alert alert.
• 51:47
  Just the mere presence is literally draining mental energy
• 51:51
  away from us, right? This is all very compelling, of
• 51:54
  course, but just to play devil's advocate part moment, I like
• 51:58
  this. There is of course the
• 52:00
  trade-offs like you keep mentioning and you know, I've
• 52:03
  seen just in my bubble, you just call it or my little anecdotes
• 52:08
  of pro-life activism. Live action has like now over
• 52:12
  combined 8 million social media followers, right?
• 52:14
  3 billion video views, all of this.
• 52:17
  And it's all this pro-life content that clearly you're not
• 52:21
  one of the followers or the views, but that's OK.
• 52:23
  But it's all this pro-life content and it's exposing
• 52:25
  abortion. It's celebrating human dignity.
• 52:27
  So the content curation is extraordinarily intentional.
• 52:31
  So this is not designed to get you to want to upgrade your
• 52:35
  house, your car, your outfit. It's not made designed to be
• 52:38
  like, look, I'm so cool and you're not.
• 52:40
  It's designed to help you feel sympathy, empathy for the unborn
• 52:45
  baby and see that abortion is bad and connect people to
• 52:48
  resources. So we're a hub to connect people
• 52:50
  to the, you know, thousands of pregnancy resource centers out
• 52:53
  there and all this, right? If you could give me a button
• 52:57
  that would I could press that would delete all social media
• 53:00
  everywhere for everyone, I would press that button.
• 53:03
  But because we live in because there's people promoting
• 53:06
  abortion misinformation relentlessly online and they
• 53:10
  have more money than we do by like 100 X and the tech Lords
• 53:14
  overlords are all pro boards, right?
• 53:15
  So you're dealing with that. So I would press the delete
• 53:19
  button for the whole world if I could, But it provided we don't
• 53:21
  have the delete button, Obviously we're we're we are out
• 53:25
  there. So I guess I'm answering my own
• 53:27
  question. I was going to do the devil's
• 53:28
  advocate of like, does the can the good outweigh the bad?
• 53:32
  Well, can the good outweigh the bad if people use it
• 53:34
  responsibly? Or if the tech overlords took
• 53:37
  out some of these incentives that are so pernicious to make
• 53:41
  people continue to click, click, click.
• 53:43
  Yes, I love this question and I want to acknowledge again, how
• 53:48
  nuanced and complex this is and, and how we're literally in a
• 53:50
  storm and we're we're, we're navigating a digital overwhelm
• 53:53
  world where there's people literally doing amazing thing
• 53:56
  like like you're doing in this realm.
• 53:59
  And then also, you know, the plethora of other things are
• 54:01
  that are happening, right? So I'm, I'm trying to look at
• 54:03
  this at a macro level and then a personal level and, and see what
• 54:06
  the data is pointing to and then really hear what is going to be
• 54:10
  the best way to move forward in your day-to-day.
• 54:13
  And so there's a lot to unpack there.
• 54:14
  Particularly, I think I want to keep diving in a little bit more
• 54:18
  to exactly how this is impacting the individual person because I
• 54:22
  think it'll connect to your, to your point with continuing to
• 54:26
  pump out all this amazing content, because if people are
• 54:28
  on these things, this is how they're going to engage with
• 54:30
  that information. Now, it's really hard to have
• 54:33
  some type of metric to say how many people have watched, how
• 54:35
  many good videos and how is that change their thinking and their
• 54:38
  life and their actions, You know, and I guarantee you
• 54:41
  there's so many conversations of really good people that we all
• 54:45
  know that are doing great things that are creating incredible
• 54:49
  fruit in a lot of people's lives, right?
• 54:51
  So I can't deny the good that can come out of it to me per
• 54:56
  person right now, depending on yeah, your relationship with
• 55:00
  this supercomputer in your pocket, it's really hard to give
• 55:05
  A1 size fits all answer to a very complex situation.
• 55:08
  Because if you are 90 years old right now, you had most of your
• 55:12
  life to develop neurologically, relationally, career wise,
• 55:16
  boomers are having a very different experience from this.
• 55:20
  Boomers got money, they got, they got, they're doing great.
• 55:24
  They have friends. They're, I see most boomers
• 55:26
  around walking, getting outside, they're doing things, they're
• 55:29
  bike riding. Like, they're so like on top of
• 55:31
  it, they're doing it. I think there's a subset of
• 55:33
  boomers who are actually really unhappy because they feel like
• 55:36
  their family ties have disintegrated.
• 55:37
  Well, that's also this whole no contact thing happened.
• 55:40
  But but generally speaking, I think I mean it would be
• 55:42
  interesting that the health actually this is a really
• 55:44
  interesting question. Are the health outcomes for
• 55:46
  boomers better than they're anticipated to be for Jetaxers
• 55:51
  and millennials? Oh, I mean, it has to be So
• 55:53
  we're also well. Yeah, there has to be, because.
• 55:55
  We're also in a chronic disease epidemic, obesity epidemic,
• 55:58
  loans and this epidemic. These are.
• 55:59
  These are that's. Hitting the younger.
• 56:01
  Demos. Harder.
• 56:02
  I mean, I like like testosterone.
• 56:03
  I've heard like younger men have dramatically lower testosterone
• 56:08
  at large than their predecessors.
• 56:10
  Yes, that's just one example. There's a lot of reasons to
• 56:12
  that, largely due to technology, Doctor Cardare said.
• 56:15
  We're not designed to be sedentary, screen staring and
• 56:17
  meaning devoid creatures. So what?
• 56:19
  What builds testosterone, Sunlight, lifting, heavy things,
• 56:22
  low level movement throughout the day.
• 56:24
  We get none of those things. We're we're sitting 8 hours a
• 56:27
  day. And Lemke talks about this.
• 56:29
  You know, 100 years ago we were out, we were outside working 6
• 56:33
  1/2 days a week, 10 to 12 hour days with about 2 1/2 hours of
• 56:37
  leisure a day. Right now, Fast forward 100
• 56:39
  years, we are indoors 97 to 90% of the time and we have about 5
• 56:46
  1/2 hours of leisure a day. We invest all that back into
• 56:50
  technology. That's the average screen time
• 56:51
  actually for the adult. So all the washing machine, the
• 56:54
  dryer, your sink, the car, all these time saving technologies
• 56:59
  have given us back incredible time, but we're actually wasting
• 57:01
  that time on mostly useless technological.
• 57:05
  Or I've noticed we are working more.
• 57:07
  That too. A lot of the white collar jobs
• 57:09
  today, and I'm not saying blue collar jobs you don't work more
• 57:11
  too, but like like if you have a boss in corporate America,
• 57:15
  whether you are an attorney or you're working in business or
• 57:19
  tech or whatever, there's this expectation of working in the
• 57:22
  evenings, yes and early mornings and weekends yes you're.
• 57:25
  Always on, you're never off. You got to check emails all day,
• 57:27
  where your messages all day. So I want to dive into more of
• 57:30
  the trade-offs still because I think it's going to better
• 57:31
  answer your question of ultimately, OK, can there, does
• 57:36
  the good outweigh the bad in these certain circumstances?
• 57:39
  So there's a lot of trade-offs happening right now.
• 57:41
  Our attention span now 2013, Microsoft had a study that
• 57:43
  showed our attention span has now fallen below the goldfish.
• 57:46
  The goldfish is at 9 seconds. The human personnel is at 8
• 57:49
  seconds. OK, so our attention span is
• 57:51
  falling. What is it supposed to be at?
• 57:53
  It's well, I don't know if it's like quote supposed to be at
• 57:55
  anything, but it's falling. What?
• 57:57
  What did it? What was it before technology?
• 57:59
  That's a great question. Yeah.
• 58:00
  That study was simply quoting that we've fallen behind the
• 58:02
  goldfish, which is unfortunate. About that.
• 58:04
  So the, So what should, Yeah, what it what should the average?
• 58:07
  I mean, I just like very anecdotally, I look at the
• 58:11
  letters that soldiers would write their families during the
• 58:14
  Civil War. I look at the letters that Roman
• 58:17
  soldiers would write their families during like the Roman
• 58:20
  wars against the Barbarians or whatever.
• 58:22
  I'm like shocked at the eloquence and the thoughtfulness
• 58:26
  of these letters. And then I look at the sorts of
• 58:29
  notes and letters that are written to each other today, and
• 58:33
  they are like, you know, love you.
• 58:35
  Thanks. You know, you're the best.
• 58:36
  I love you so much. Like we we we don't even know
• 58:39
  how to communicate in long form with each other anymore.
• 58:42
  Yes, I love letter writing. I'm trying to bring it back.
• 58:44
  We're trying to bring it back. If you want to write a letter,
• 58:46
  go to human. I mean I.
• 58:46
  Remember doing that in high school?
• 58:47
  I would write my friends, we would pen that we'd write.
• 58:49
  And I have this box in my attic of these beautiful letters that
• 58:54
  I received because I would receive and write them.
• 58:56
  And my husband, thankfully when we were dating, he would still
• 58:59
  write me beautiful letters and I would write him some, I guess
• 59:01
  not, maybe not as good as his because he's so smart and like
• 59:04
  he's so such a good writer. But I think about right now, do
• 59:07
  I write any letters? I mean, I write emails, but when
• 59:10
  was the last time I wrote a handwritten letter to somebody?
• 59:12
  I'm trying to write a card. It's hard, but.
• 59:14
  It's like because how? Why would you take time to write
• 59:17
  a letter when you could send a text and the texts say I love
• 59:21
  you and they get it immediately. You know they're going to be
• 59:23
  touched by it, they're going to feel affirmed and they got it.
• 59:26
  You did it. So why would you write a person
• 59:28
  a letter? Yeah, there's something so
• 59:29
  special about letters, though. No, I'm saying yeah, I agree.
• 59:32
  Yeah, no. But to your point too, that's
• 59:34
  again, this is a trade. Convenience.
• 59:35
  Yeah, let's go through a little bit more of the trade-offs
• 59:38
  because it's vast, right. So when you're entering in the
• 59:40
  digital landscape of a personal supercomputer, there's more.
• 59:44
  And I just want to hit this briefly because it is part of my
• 59:46
  experience too. And I think it will answer
• 59:48
  again, some of this question more.
• 59:50
  Taking into account, is this a greater risk for you to be on
• 59:54
  every platform and have a supercomputer in your pocket?
• 59:56
  Or is it better to remove yourself from these completely?
• 1:00:00
  Right now there's more views each month to pornography than
• 1:00:03
  X, Netflix, Open AI and Zoom and Amazon combined.
• 1:00:09
  Right. So there's more traffic to these
• 1:00:10
  sites than any of these other platforms, right?
• 1:00:13
  Average age is 11, getting close to 7.
• 1:00:16
  Average onset age. Onset age of exposure is 11,
• 1:00:19
  getting closer to 7. So that's a huge topic right in
• 1:00:22
  itself. The way that's warping the human
• 1:00:24
  brain, obviously dopamine, we go into that a lot with our
• 1:00:27
  curriculum and that's a you are if you are a high school student
• 1:00:34
  with no boundaries or no guardrails with that, you are
• 1:00:37
  looking at porn. There's no way you're not
• 1:00:40
  somehow being exposed at least, right?
• 1:00:43
  Massive risk going to affect your future in every way
• 1:00:47
  possible. There's literally Doctor
• 1:00:49
  Cardaris talks about this. There's different seminars he's
• 1:00:53
  been going to where physicians are literally talking about
• 1:00:55
  erectile dysfunction in high school students.
• 1:00:58
  I mean, if you want to have an amazing intimate.
• 1:01:00
  Like compulsive masturbation. Oh yeah, but if you want to have
• 1:01:03
  an amazing intimate sex life with one person for rest of your
• 1:01:05
  life, the worst thing you can do is be addicted to porn, you
• 1:01:08
  know, throughout your, your childhood, right?
• 1:01:11
  So huge risk, right? Can't even go into the depth of
• 1:01:14
  how big that risk is. Then obviously the mental health
• 1:01:16
  crisis, which is largely unfolding with Gen.
• 1:01:18
  Z, right, which all the data shows Jonathan Heinz work, it's
• 1:01:21
  100%, you know, over 100% increase anxiety since 2010,
• 1:01:25
  depression since 2010. Self harm has quadrupled amongst
• 1:01:28
  10 to 14 year old girls the last 10 years.
• 1:01:31
  These body image issues, there's literally a diagnosis now called
• 1:01:34
  Snapchat dysphoria where young girls are going to plastic
• 1:01:37
  surgeons to literally manipulate their face to look like their
• 1:01:40
  Snapchat it's an. Instagram thing too and and
• 1:01:43
  TikTok, but yeah, it's I mean, I think there's like the
• 1:01:46
  Kardashian look that everybody has to have like really big lips
• 1:01:50
  and the contractions are lovely ladies.
• 1:01:51
  I'm not trying to, you know, fault their physiques, but they
• 1:01:54
  they've obviously achieved a certain look using augmentation,
• 1:01:58
  using plastic surgery and they're they're open about it.
• 1:02:00
  They talk about it. And so it's between a certain
• 1:02:03
  shape of the nose, a certain shape of the lips, you know,
• 1:02:05
  certain even the brow. I think there's a huge popular
• 1:02:09
  wave I'm seeing. It's called, what is it called?
• 1:02:11
  It's for a blef, blef Blefest, Blefeste.
• 1:02:14
  What is it called? Blef upper blef is what it's
• 1:02:16
  called. Basically they cut their eyelids
• 1:02:19
  to lift their eyebrows. But it's all because of how you
• 1:02:24
  look in pictures. This, this is what I've been.
• 1:02:26
  So I mean of of quick rant, yeah.
• 1:02:27
  Let's go rant me. When you meet people who have
• 1:02:31
  had plastic surgery done, you can tell most of the time
• 1:02:35
  there's some very light Botox maybe that you won't notice,
• 1:02:38
  right. But with lip fillers, you can
• 1:02:40
  tell most of the time with lip fillers as an example, or you
• 1:02:44
  know, certain facial things that are done on social media, it's
• 1:02:48
  how you photograph. It looks maybe great or it looks
• 1:02:51
  like how AI would look or the Kardashians or whatever.
• 1:02:53
  But in real life. So it's like you're getting the
• 1:02:55
  plastic surgery done just for how you look on Instagram or on
• 1:03:01
  TikTok. It's not even how you look in
• 1:03:03
  real life because in real life people actually like more
• 1:03:06
  natural faces. And there's studies that have
• 1:03:08
  been done that prove this. I like that.
• 1:03:11
  I mean, so here. So yeah, let's just keep going.
• 1:03:12
  Again, technology is influencing us to literally change our
• 1:03:15
  bodies, not just to be addicted and screen time, but to change
• 1:03:17
  our bodies for how we're going to look on technology one. 100%
• 1:03:20
  and This is why it's so important to understand all of
• 1:03:24
  the tradeoffs that are happening.
• 1:03:25
  I don't think parents or millennials, I don't think most
• 1:03:28
  people know how bad it is. And that's why I think these
• 1:03:31
  conversations to me are more, I want this to be more
• 1:03:34
  informational that leads to action.
• 1:03:36
  I don't want this to be entertainment, right?
• 1:03:37
  I don't want people to view this and be like, oh, wow, that's
• 1:03:39
  really sad. Like, I'm not going to do
• 1:03:41
  anything about it. Neil Postman's greatest fear is
• 1:03:43
  that politics and religion in a new media medium, right?
• 1:03:47
  Marshall Mcluhan said the medium is the message, right?
• 1:03:49
  The medium is shaping us. Like in this digital world that
• 1:03:52
  people are viewing us, you know, right now, like this is shaping
• 1:03:56
  your thinking, your reality, your actions that his greatest
• 1:03:59
  fear was that we would turn religion and politics 2
• 1:04:01
  incredibly important topics into entertainment, right?
• 1:04:05
  And I think we're entertaining ourselves to death, right?
• 1:04:06
  If Neil Postman's book amusing ourselves to death is actually
• 1:04:09
  what's happening. But let's get going.
• 1:04:11
  So you have Tourette's, Tik TikTok, Tourette's syndrome,
• 1:04:14
  TikTok Tourette syndrome is a real diagnosis that is happening
• 1:04:18
  where people are manifesting Tourette's from TikTok, where
• 1:04:22
  influencers in the mental health space that are, you know,
• 1:04:25
  actually have this diagnosis through social contagion effect.
• 1:04:29
  I talked to Jordan Peterson about this and I asked Jordan, I
• 1:04:33
  was like, is this a real thing? And he's like, social contagion
• 1:04:35
  effect is nothing new. There's hysterical dancing that
• 1:04:38
  happened, you know, the last like 2 centuries or something
• 1:04:42
  like social contagions, a very well documented, documented
• 1:04:45
  phenomenon. There's literally people that
• 1:04:47
  don't have Tourette's that are watching these influencers with
• 1:04:50
  Tourette's and manifesting Tourette's syndromes and going
• 1:04:53
  into hospitals and being diagnosed right.
• 1:04:55
  So you. Like Tourette's?
• 1:04:56
  You mean like just having ticks? Yes.
• 1:04:58
  Yes, you know what? But they don't.
• 1:04:59
  Yeah, but they don't have them. They don't have them.
• 1:05:02
  They literally will do these detoxes for two.
• 1:05:04
  Reasons that the entire transgender ideology wave if
• 1:05:08
  that there's like AI don't know what's the number is it 1/5 of
• 1:05:11
  students or there's like some crazy percentage it's like 1010%
• 1:05:15
  to 20% of young people think they might be the other gender
• 1:05:18
  when you look it up Paris actually you you I don't know if
• 1:05:20
  you. 1900% increase at least in Ireland.
• 1:05:23
  I was just reading of transgender and and I think
• 1:05:26
  Cardaris talks about a 4000% increase once these technologies
• 1:05:29
  were released. So here's the 2010 number when
• 1:05:32
  Jonathan Heights talking about what happened in 2010 where all
• 1:05:35
  this just got ramped up. Do you actually know what he
• 1:05:37
  says in this? I think it's real.
• 1:05:39
  The front facing camera on the smartphone because all of a
• 1:05:43
  sudden life became something that was performed car.
• 1:05:47
  Nicholas Carr talks about this. We are now the watcher and the
• 1:05:49
  watched. So the sharp decline in mental
• 1:05:53
  health, the sharp increase in these social contagion
• 1:05:57
  illnesses, including, I would say, transgenderism, and I think
• 1:06:02
  LGBTQ identification has like, just mushroomed in the last
• 1:06:07
  decade. Jonathan Height says it starts
• 1:06:09
  with the front facing yes camera on the iPhone.
• 1:06:12
  Because 10 is when that came out.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah, I think it's. I mean, that makes sense.
• 1:06:15
  Because that is the the IT isn't.
• 1:06:16
  It is a curious design because I remember, I mean you mentioned
• 1:06:19
  self harm. What was the increased number
• 1:06:21
  for self harm in young? Quadrupled amongst 10 to 14 year
• 1:06:24
  old girls specifically. In the last decade or what's the
• 1:06:26
  time frame? I mean in high school I remember
• 1:06:29
  Zynga. I would journal on Zynga.
• 1:06:31
  Do you remember Zynga? Kinda yeah OK, I wasn't really
• 1:06:33
  my space, I was Zynga. But anyways, we would journal
• 1:06:36
  and I had my girlfriends and we but there was a social contagion
• 1:06:39
  of self harm in my friend group. All these girls having essential
• 1:06:43
  crises going through puberty, not get we didn't have very good
• 1:06:45
  support, some of us anyways. Everyone was self harming.
• 1:06:48
  One girl starts there. I experimented with it at a
• 1:06:50
  certain point because I was suffering depression.
• 1:06:52
  ANYWAYS, it was all connected to social contagion.
• 1:06:55
  And this was before. I mean, I didn't grow up with
• 1:06:58
  TikTok. I did not grow up with
• 1:07:00
  Instagram. Thanks be to God, I didn't have
• 1:07:02
  those things right. It would have been, it would
• 1:07:04
  have, you know, sounds like it would have ruined both of us
• 1:07:05
  even worse than, you know, our issues were.
• 1:07:08
  But I think about the fact that that existed then, like self
• 1:07:11
  harm was an issue that was growing among young girls back
• 1:07:14
  in the early 2000s. Right now it is like everywhere.
• 1:07:19
  And then there's the extreme self karma of like, I'm going to
• 1:07:21
  be the other gender. I'm going to get a double
• 1:07:22
  mastectomy. I'm going to take hormones and
• 1:07:24
  stunt my puberty and my my sexual, social, sexual
• 1:07:26
  development and everything else. And and you're saying, and
• 1:07:30
  Jonathan hates saying the real Cliff moment for the changes
• 1:07:36
  here was 2010 with the iPhones front facing camera.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah, this is some of cars, you know, critique too is like, now
• 1:07:43
  everyone is famous, right? Your life, every moment of your
• 1:07:47
  day. Just think about your TikTok
• 1:07:48
  troll, your Instagram troll. It's people communicating, you
• 1:07:51
  know, through screen ideas. Again, we're social creatures,
• 1:07:53
  so we're getting a dopamine hit from just learning what they're
• 1:07:55
  saying. But here's some of the other
• 1:07:56
  things that are being fractured, right, is our attention span,
• 1:07:59
  but also our thinking. So Doctor Carr, Doctor Cardaras
• 1:08:03
  talks about this as well. We're actually experiencing more
• 1:08:06
  dichotomous thinking compared to spectrum thinking.
• 1:08:09
  And so dichotomous is really black and white, really binary.
• 1:08:12
  We actually can't think on a spectrum anymore.
• 1:08:14
  And that's actually what creates the best, that's the best
• 1:08:17
  predictor of success. So Doctor Paul Torrance to this
• 1:08:20
  Torrance tolerance test. They followed university
• 1:08:24
  students out of Michigan like for 70 years or something like
• 1:08:26
  that and studied their trajectory, looked at their life
• 1:08:29
  and actually showed that creativity was the best
• 1:08:31
  projector, predictor, sorry of success in their life.
• 1:08:35
  It wasn't socioeconomic status, their IQ, or even the amount of
• 1:08:38
  money they made. It was the level of creativity
• 1:08:41
  that actually created the most success in their life.
• 1:08:43
  Sherry Turkles talked about this in Reclaiming attention and or
• 1:08:47
  sorry, Reclaiming Conversation and Alone Together.
• 1:08:50
  Those two books are crucial, but she's talking about this.
• 1:08:53
  We're in a creativity crisis, so we're not thinking about again,
• 1:08:57
  all the other things that are happening.
• 1:08:58
  So while you're scrolling and possibly looking at something
• 1:09:00
  amazing, possibly looking at something bad, what it's eroding
• 1:09:03
  is actually your capacity for nuance and deep thinking.
• 1:09:06
  So Doctor Arthur Brooks talks about this.
• 1:09:08
  I'm sorry, I might steal some of this stuff for this next show.
• 1:09:11
  But you know, this default mode network of the brain, actually,
• 1:09:13
  boredom is the birth place. It's the Oasis of creativity.
• 1:09:18
  So if you want to be successful in life, in business and
• 1:09:21
  relationships, you want to prioritize creativity in your
• 1:09:25
  life for many different reasons. Again, just think of your normal
• 1:09:28
  scrolling day. You're actually being inundated
• 1:09:30
  with information on such a intensive overload that you
• 1:09:35
  aren't given the capacity to deeply think through these
• 1:09:38
  ideas. So here's what I even noticed in
• 1:09:40
  the podcast world. I am obsessed with information,
• 1:09:42
  right? I have a problem.
• 1:09:44
  I'm obsessed with knowledge. I was listening to podcasts on
• 1:09:47
  my drive, on my workout, on my walk in bed.
• 1:09:51
  I wanted to learn at all times, right?
• 1:09:54
  I noticed that learning in this way, just even through podcasts,
• 1:09:57
  which are really good information, and it was Bishop
• 1:09:59
  Baron and it was named The People, and it was every health
• 1:10:01
  podcast you could ever imagine. I noticed I wasn't retaining a
• 1:10:04
  lot of information. I was indulging in a lot, but it
• 1:10:08
  wasn't actually creating real change in my life.
• 1:10:11
  It was mostly just turning into entertainment and it wasn't
• 1:10:15
  being actualized. And it was also overwhelming me
• 1:10:17
  in many ways. So that's happening along as
• 1:10:20
  well. We're in an information overload
• 1:10:22
  right today. Just today on this show, there's
• 1:10:24
  going to be over 1,000,000 downloads of the podcast onto
• 1:10:26
  the Internet. There'll be enough information
• 1:10:28
  today for anyone who's going to live the next whatever 67 years
• 1:10:33
  to not be able to listen to the amount of information just
• 1:10:36
  released today. So just think about how how much
• 1:10:40
  information is happening, the amount of quantity, It's
• 1:10:42
  overwhelming, right? You were saying something just a
• 1:10:46
  moment ago. It's all very compelling and
• 1:10:49
  important, but you were saying we are all like the number one
• 1:10:52
  predictor of success for anybody isn't socioeconomic, isn't IQ,
• 1:10:55
  isn't any of this. It is actually creativity which
• 1:10:58
  is very human, made in God's image, because what is the
• 1:11:00
  Creator design us to be? Never made that connection.
• 1:11:03
  We are we are to create like that is and that was the command
• 1:11:06
  to out of an Eve is you have dominion over the world, which
• 1:11:09
  is, you know, use the created order and good to continue to
• 1:11:12
  create and to have a life in full and abundant and then
• 1:11:16
  multiply literally Co create with me for new souls, you know,
• 1:11:19
  to populate this beautiful world that I've created.
• 1:11:22
  So creation is like is such a deeply and uniquely human thing
• 1:11:26
  because we're made in God's image unlike any other animal in
• 1:11:29
  animal Kingdom anyways. And if we are crushing our
• 1:11:33
  ability to create you, then we are hurting our own humanity and
• 1:11:37
  the future and every relationships everything else.
• 1:11:39
  But then you said something about boredom and is that
• 1:11:41
  connected? I'm going to guess to leisure
• 1:11:43
  like creating space where there's no agenda, we.
• 1:11:46
  Don't know how to have leisure? We don't know how to lab.
• 1:11:48
  Leisure, I live in Lander, WY right right now and that's
• 1:11:51
  university. The students are not allowed to
• 1:11:53
  have cell phones. There's a no cell phone policy
• 1:11:55
  at Wyoming Catholic College. I literally go there and I'm
• 1:11:57
  looking at the 90s you kids are. I remember being shocked by
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  this. I was just watching a a kid at
• 1:12:04
  the bus stop just looking around.
• 1:12:06
  It was so shocking to me because what, he wasn't looking down his
• 1:12:09
  phone? So they can't even have the cell
• 1:12:10
  phone outside of the classroom? Oh.
• 1:12:12
  There's no cell phones. You have to go to this
• 1:12:14
  university without a cell phone. It's hilarious.
• 1:12:16
  How do you call people? Can you have a?
• 1:12:18
  Can you have a dumb phone? Nope.
• 1:12:19
  Do this there a phone, A phone line.
• 1:12:21
  I don't probably. Yeah, they.
• 1:12:23
  They in the dorm? Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Probably they like tell people. Do a dial?
• 1:12:27
  Yeah, probably. They tell people, hey, go meet
• 1:12:29
  here, we're going to have a party tonight or the, you know,
• 1:12:31
  no. Computers.
• 1:12:31
  They can use computers. But that's not they can't walk
• 1:12:34
  around obviously with fear. The point is, you can go sit
• 1:12:37
  down and do a dedicated work on a workstation computer, but you
• 1:12:39
  can't be walking around with a super computer.
• 1:12:42
  They're not allowed to have cell phones, no social media, all
• 1:12:44
  that stuff. I am literally watching an
• 1:12:46
  experiment. I mean, we're all in an
• 1:12:48
  experiment. This is what we have to
• 1:12:49
  understand. If you are a modern human being
• 1:12:51
  today with the supercomputer, you are in a social experiment,
• 1:12:55
  right? That I'm trying to unpack for
• 1:12:56
  the world what's happening to to give us some real answers of how
• 1:12:59
  to move forward. And one of the other things
• 1:13:01
  that's really important on the creativity side and the boredom
• 1:13:04
  side is that again, that default mode network of the brain, it
• 1:13:08
  has to turn on and it doesn't turn on unless you're given
• 1:13:11
  space. So now think about all of our
• 1:13:13
  days, right? We're in constant communication.
• 1:13:15
  I think the text message has done more damage to human to
• 1:13:19
  humans than almost anything else.
• 1:13:21
  This is like a Oh yeah, I think the text message was so
• 1:13:24
  detrimental and so many ways and so great, right.
• 1:13:27
  This is again this infinite good and infinite bad.
• 1:13:30
  There's there's parents that tell me just text threads ruin
• 1:13:32
  their kids life and. What's the worst outcome in your
• 1:13:35
  view of the text message? I mean, we talked earlier.
• 1:13:38
  I don't write letters anymore to my friends, I text them.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah, well, this is for young people obviously more
• 1:13:42
  specifically. But the thing I even think about
• 1:13:43
  myself, how many relationships were done over texting?
• 1:13:46
  Texting late into the night, someone not responding to my
• 1:13:48
  text, me watching that they've seen the text and didn't respond
• 1:13:51
  to the text, People breaking up over text.
• 1:13:54
  Again, there's so many possibilities on just the text
• 1:13:56
  message. It would take us the whole hour
• 1:13:57
  to go through. But for young people,
• 1:13:59
  specifically cyberbullying, you know, sending bad images,
• 1:14:03
  texting, you know, just texting has this possibility of so many
• 1:14:07
  negative outcomes. And then it's great to check in
• 1:14:09
  with the family and send a fun picture and have the group text
• 1:14:11
  with the fam and send all these amazing things.
• 1:14:13
  So that's why again, it's it's so difficult to make a
• 1:14:16
  prescription per person because it's going to be so individual
• 1:14:19
  let's. Go to principles then, because I
• 1:14:21
  know this is what you do and I think it's really important you
• 1:14:24
  do obviously workshops and trainings on this, but for
• 1:14:26
  humanality, what are your prescriptions?
• 1:14:29
  Yes, I know they include these principles for how to use social
• 1:14:34
  media technology and you go back to those Wyoming Catholic kids
• 1:14:38
  as an example for the college familiar with Lander, Great,
• 1:14:41
  great spot. The you know, I think about
• 1:14:44
  them. I think OK, if you're not using
• 1:14:46
  those media forms, so much of Business Today drives is driven
• 1:14:53
  by those media forms and that's not going away likely.
• 1:14:59
  And so how do you responsibly use it not just how do you
• 1:15:02
  responsibly use social media in your personal life if you're
• 1:15:05
  going to use it at all? How do you responsibly use it if
• 1:15:08
  you are working and you are creating?
• 1:15:11
  Because a lot of a lot of creation is happening in a way
• 1:15:15
  that is more, that is less about like, you know, how many, how do
• 1:15:19
  I meet my immediate physical needs?
• 1:15:21
  Like the robots are going to do that for us in the future,
• 1:15:23
  right? And it's more about, well, what
• 1:15:24
  are the very uniquely human things that I can create that
• 1:15:28
  maybe technology can help me do? Right, yes, so we're so my idea
• 1:15:32
  obviously reading like 40 plus topics on what this is doing to
• 1:15:35
  us and we just scratched the surface of the problems that are
• 1:15:38
  unfolding right. There's insane amount of more
• 1:15:41
  and then there's a lot of good that's happening on a lot of
• 1:15:43
  these platforms. I like this one we're on today,
• 1:15:45
  right? So for a personal prescription,
• 1:15:48
  right, on how to use this tech and let it not and how to better
• 1:15:51
  not use you, you first have to understand, OK, what, what
• 1:15:56
  technologies are you going to interact with and how are you
• 1:15:59
  going to interact with them? So when you start our program,
• 1:16:01
  our detox program, you start with your digital plan of life,
• 1:16:04
  right? So I still have a little bit
• 1:16:05
  from Ascriva, Jose Maria Ascriva, but this idea of
• 1:16:08
  creating a plan, OK, So certain technologies, I would say are
• 1:16:11
  upgrading our lives and then certain technologies are down
• 1:16:14
  grading our lives. For most people, I would say our
• 1:16:19
  age and younger, most people share with me, they don't.
• 1:16:22
  I don't hear anyone saying I want to scroll more.
• 1:16:26
  I don't really hear anyone coming to me saying, you know, I
• 1:16:29
  want to be on my phone more. It's mostly OK.
• 1:16:32
  I know I have to be honest, I can't get off of it.
• 1:16:34
  I wish I could do what you're doing, but I have to be on these
• 1:16:36
  things for XYZ. How do I get my time back?
• 1:16:39
  Right? One of the things that's super
• 1:16:42
  important for longevity and health that we touched on is
• 1:16:45
  relationships. Is is relationships.
• 1:16:47
  So the longest standing study since 1938 is the adult
• 1:16:50
  development study at Harvard. The number one data point from
• 1:16:54
  that is healthy relationships is the best predictor of longevity.
• 1:16:57
  Actually more than diet, more than exercise, more than
• 1:16:59
  socioeconomic status, more than your area code, Right.
• 1:17:02
  So right now there's a study called the American usage of
• 1:17:05
  time study. It it it followed 15 to 24 year
• 1:17:08
  olds from 2000 to 2019 and showed that their FaceTime,
• 1:17:12
  their in person FaceTime dropped from 167 minutes I think to 66
• 1:17:19
  minutes a day. Wait, what?
• 1:17:21
  So their their their amount of FaceTime per day was about 166
• 1:17:25
  minutes a day at. Face what age group?
• 1:17:27
  15 to 24. So it used to be that if you're
• 1:17:30
  15 to 24 years old, you had 166 minutes of FaceTime, and now the
• 1:17:34
  15 to 24 year olds have how much FaceTime?
• 1:17:37
  It's like under 66 minutes, which per year is 400 less hours
• 1:17:41
  of relational FaceTime 2/3 of. Genz, All Americans are no.
• 1:17:44
  That's that's 15 to 24 and Jen. Is are these Americans we're
• 1:17:48
  talking about? Sorry.
• 1:17:49
  Yes. Yes, Americans.
• 1:17:50
  Yes. That is insane.
• 1:17:51
  And Gen. Z and Gen.
• 1:17:53
  Z says 2/3 of them prefer to communicate through a screen
• 1:17:57
  than in person, right? So again we have.
• 1:17:59
  To get the dopamine. Right, we have to think about
• 1:18:01
  this in. Very different.
• 1:18:02
  That's so wild. There's different prescriptions
• 1:18:04
  again for different age groups. That's why this is going to be
• 1:18:06
  kind of hard to answer, but our movement is actually addressing
• 1:18:10
  the individual need of actually every generation because the
• 1:18:13
  loneliness epidemic is happening to every generation, actually to
• 1:18:16
  a certain degree. And again, if you want to
• 1:18:18
  increase your longevity and your health, you have to choose to be
• 1:18:20
  more human. This is really what I'm
• 1:18:22
  interested in and this is what all of these topics unpack.
• 1:18:25
  So let's maybe get into the good side of this, right?
• 1:18:27
  Let's do it. There's, there's amazing
• 1:18:29
  practical daily habits you can change.
• 1:18:32
  They're going to improve your health, your mental health, your
• 1:18:35
  spiritual health, and your relational health.
• 1:18:37
  So after studying all this literature and all these
• 1:18:39
  different books, I'm like, what the heck are we supposed to do,
• 1:18:42
  You know? And I create these eleven ways
• 1:18:44
  to be more human, right? So let's unpack maybe just a
• 1:18:48
  couple of them. I won't have time to get into
• 1:18:49
  all of them. Want to list those for us?
• 1:18:51
  Yeah, So it's be free, be present, be light, be outside,
• 1:18:55
  be moving, be connected, be mindful.
• 1:18:59
  Oh so. Be simple.
• 1:19:00
  Be simple. That was what I missed.
• 1:19:01
  Be silent, be giving, and be human, OK?
• 1:19:05
  And this is really, I love the happiness literature.
• 1:19:07
  This is why Doctor Brooks is like my boy.
• 1:19:09
  Because ultimately, I would say in a lot of our social media
• 1:19:13
  platforms and interactions, they are making us unhappy and
• 1:19:17
  largely tempting us into these four historical Aristotelian to
• 1:19:23
  Mystic ideas of fame, power, pleasure and money, right?
• 1:19:26
  They're tempting us to these 4 perceptions of what's going to
• 1:19:30
  make us happy that ultimately don't, right?
• 1:19:32
  So again, this is what you, we have to think about when you're
• 1:19:34
  entering into, into an app, you're entering into a whole
• 1:19:37
  different world, right? That has a whole bunch of
• 1:19:39
  different risks. So you have to be willing to
• 1:19:42
  take on a certain amount of risks as you're entering into
• 1:19:45
  these platforms. And that's what you can only do
• 1:19:47
  for yourself. And I can't tell you what to do
• 1:19:49
  with that. This is, I want to give you the
• 1:19:50
  best information I can of what it's doing to us and then give
• 1:19:53
  you the best solution for you, right?
• 1:19:55
  And again, this it can be different for all ages.
• 1:19:58
  I've never gone up to people and said and all my friends that
• 1:20:01
  know I'm on a light phone and don't have social media.
• 1:20:03
  I've hopefully made this like pretty clear.
• 1:20:06
  I don't judge people for being on these things.
• 1:20:08
  I don't tell people. To get off of all these things
• 1:20:11
  and go live with the Amish, you know, I use technology every
• 1:20:13
  day, OK? I use it intentionally.
• 1:20:16
  That's limited with incredible intentional value orientated
• 1:20:20
  ends, right? So Carlo Cudis keeps coming up.
• 1:20:22
  I was at his canonization in Rome this year.
• 1:20:25
  That turned into Pope Francis's funeral.
• 1:20:27
  So I sadly missed his canonization.
• 1:20:29
  But Carlo limited his screen time to one to two hours a week.
• 1:20:34
  What I didn't know that Carlo Akudis, who's been called the
• 1:20:37
  digital missionary. Digital missionary computer
• 1:20:39
  programmer. He prioritized in person
• 1:20:42
  connection over digital connection.
• 1:20:44
  He only spent two hours a week on screen time.
• 1:20:46
  Max he saw what pornography was doing, he saw what gaming was
• 1:20:50
  doing, and he games himself. And listen, I love to play.
• 1:20:53
  The game for 10 minutes a week, what did he do?
• 1:20:54
  Yeah, he games really limited. FIFA's my go to game.
• 1:20:57
  What's so crazy about this is what you just said and I like
• 1:21:00
  have read some of the Carlos stuff.
• 1:21:01
  I didn't know that I even watched a documentary about.
• 1:21:04
  Him too, yeah. I don't know if that was in the
• 1:21:07
  were you in the documentary? No.
• 1:21:09
  But was that in the documentary that he only did one to two?
• 1:21:11
  Hours a week in his book. OK, well then see that's my
• 1:21:14
  retention is terrible. Obviously that's a time I'm a
• 1:21:17
  living example of that, but me? Too.
• 1:21:19
  But that's I don't see that as the take away that people have
• 1:21:23
  been using about Carlo. It's more that he's sanctifying
• 1:21:27
  the new technology and like, you know, sharing the acristic
• 1:21:29
  miracles with the world. Hot take Do you want my really
• 1:21:32
  hot? Take do it.
• 1:21:33
  And OK, you have to remember this online negative emotion
• 1:21:35
  resides longer than the human person.
• 1:21:37
  This is why if it bleeds, it leads.
• 1:21:39
  All news is if it bleeds, it leads this.
• 1:21:41
  This is what keeps us engaged. So I don't want to say this hot
• 1:21:44
  take to get more people to listen, but you just have to
• 1:21:46
  understand where there's confrontation online.
• 1:21:48
  Put it on social media. This will be one of the shorts,
• 1:21:50
  right? To keep you like, just hooked.
• 1:21:53
  But this is what keeps us engaged, right?
• 1:21:55
  Is these confrontation. Negative emotion is more potent
• 1:21:59
  than positive emotion. But is what you're going to say
• 1:22:01
  true? And is it going to help people
• 1:22:02
  in the end? Yes.
• 1:22:03
  OK, but it's a hot. Take well, that's OK, that's
• 1:22:05
  true. It's going to help people.
• 1:22:06
  What is it? I just said this at NCYC on
• 1:22:08
  stage in front of whatever 16,000 people.
• 1:22:11
  And I know this is going to make people angry, but I really
• 1:22:14
  believe that the future of evangelization is going to be
• 1:22:18
  prioritizing in person connection over digital reach.
• 1:22:23
  Agree. Like.
• 1:22:25
  No controversy with me. I think that's absolutely true.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah, I think the social capital, again, this is what
• 1:22:31
  this idea is. What are you investing in your
• 1:22:32
  day-to-day? What's your time worth to you?
• 1:22:35
  Because this is the whole idea, right?
• 1:22:36
  Our whole mission is to help people get their time and
• 1:22:38
  attention back. Invest those two finite
• 1:22:40
  resources. You're never getting those
• 1:22:42
  things back. You are never getting your time
• 1:22:44
  and attention back. Those are two really important
• 1:22:47
  resources. I want you to invest in those
• 1:22:49
  things in your life that's going to make you healthier, happier
• 1:22:52
  and live longer. That's really what I'm excited
• 1:22:53
  about. And help more souls get to have.
• 1:22:55
  And help more souls get to heaven.
• 1:22:56
  And this is the reality is that we aren't going to be here
• 1:22:58
  forever. Now you have a whole slew of
• 1:23:00
  transhumanists that want to live forever.
• 1:23:02
  They're going to put their brains into this AI, you know?
• 1:23:05
  Cloud, I do want to ask you about that at.
• 1:23:06
  The end of that, let's get to that, but let's get into some of
• 1:23:10
  the real practicals that we hope.
• 1:23:11
  So when you go through a detox program, anyone can go through
• 1:23:13
  this. We started at universities.
• 1:23:15
  We gave students light phones and they gave up their
• 1:23:18
  smartphones. I did not ask students to do
• 1:23:20
  this. They wanted to do this.
• 1:23:22
  Right now, 56% of Gen. Z wishes these technologies
• 1:23:26
  never existed. Over 48% wish that Instagram
• 1:23:29
  never existed. When you go up to young people
• 1:23:32
  and you start sharing this stuff, they wish these things
• 1:23:34
  didn't happen to them. So this is what we have to kind
• 1:23:36
  of understand. I know we're going to get to the
• 1:23:38
  possible good that can come out of it.
• 1:23:40
  There's no generation that would.
• 1:23:42
  There's no. Generation that rejected a
• 1:23:44
  technology like this, right? No one was up in arms about the
• 1:23:47
  washing machine, you know, and was like, we got to get rid of
• 1:23:50
  the washing machine. It was a good technology, right?
• 1:23:52
  It helped. This is really interesting that
• 1:23:54
  most young people wish this never existed, right?
• 1:23:58
  So here's what we do. We walked students through these
• 1:24:01
  detox protocols to get them more in person, out in nature, heal
• 1:24:04
  their relationships, get out of gaming, porn, scrolling, all
• 1:24:07
  these things, right? While we were building these
• 1:24:09
  clubs and universities, I built this curriculum out, unpacked
• 1:24:13
  all the science, all the data into these eleven ways to be
• 1:24:15
  human. So right now, how this works is
• 1:24:17
  anyone can go through this. You can go to our website.
• 1:24:20
  We're using technology as a tool.
• 1:24:21
  So you can click on our website, you can start the course and you
• 1:24:24
  will start with a journal and workbook that will help you
• 1:24:27
  create your digital plan of life.
• 1:24:29
  So here's a super important part.
• 1:24:30
  I feel like what we're experiencing to your point with
• 1:24:33
  the phone is going to be with us at all times, probably for the
• 1:24:36
  end of time and until like the chip goes in your brain if you
• 1:24:38
  want to do that, which will be an option probably soon.
• 1:24:41
  But the phone it, it, it's more like someone struggling with
• 1:24:45
  like bulimia or something, right?
• 1:24:47
  Because The thing is, if you have, if you're bulimic, you
• 1:24:49
  have to learn to have a right relationship with your with
• 1:24:51
  food. You can't not eat.
• 1:24:54
  So to me, that's a better analogy than any other addiction
• 1:24:56
  in the space. It's like you need the phone.
• 1:24:58
  I understand everyone needs a phone.
• 1:25:00
  You can create a plan around your communication, around your
• 1:25:03
  entertainment and around your relationship with your
• 1:25:06
  technology that will give you more freedom and give you more
• 1:25:09
  benefit than pain, right? So your digital panel of life,
• 1:25:14
  we break it down like this. First, choose your device.
• 1:25:16
  If you go to grayscale on your smartphone, you will decrease
• 1:25:20
  your glances to your device by 47%.
• 1:25:22
  What is grayscale? On this, grayscale on your
• 1:25:24
  smartphone literally makes your whole phone Gray, so down to the
• 1:25:28
  color of your screen tech. How do you do that?
• 1:25:32
  We actually have you walk through that.
• 1:25:33
  You can see that on Sandy's phone over there.
• 1:25:35
  There's a whole process. In settings, yeah.
• 1:25:38
  We're in settings. You know exactly I did.
• 1:25:40
  OK, I'm going. We we walk you through that
• 1:25:42
  whole process. Can I do it Right now I'm in.
• 1:25:46
  I'm in accessibility. Wow.
• 1:25:48
  So here's. OK, so you click this three
• 1:25:50
  times guys, and it goes Gray. So here's.
• 1:25:53
  The thing with Grace and then I can't see the pictures of my
• 1:25:55
  kids. No.
• 1:25:55
  So you can change it back to that.
• 1:25:56
  Oh, but then I have to go back. And forth.
• 1:25:58
  So here's the thing you can do. When you want to look at
• 1:25:59
  pictures that you want to see color, you just boom, go back to
• 1:26:02
  that and you can see your beautiful.
• 1:26:03
  Pictures. But then when I'm on like social
• 1:26:05
  media, it's less captivating. It's less captivating.
• 1:26:08
  So literally down to the color they are using to leverage your
• 1:26:12
  views. What color?
• 1:26:13
  If you were to guess what color in our evolutionary history was
• 1:26:17
  a sign of threat? Or it's red.
• 1:26:20
  What is every like button? What is every notification?
• 1:26:22
  What is everything on your e-mail, your text that what
• 1:26:24
  color are all those notifications?
• 1:26:25
  Green. They're all red.
• 1:26:27
  It's a red little thing. Let's take that out.
• 1:26:30
  Wait, but if they're But if they're red, why do you want to
• 1:26:32
  click on the threat? That's what attracts us, right?
• 1:26:34
  Negative. Oh, it's our brains are.
• 1:26:36
  Threat detectors, right? That's really what we grew.
• 1:26:39
  That's how we survived. You and me survived by looking
• 1:26:42
  at threats. If you weren't afraid of
• 1:26:43
  threats, you did not pass on your genes, right?
• 1:26:46
  If you heard a rustling in the trees and you were walking and
• 1:26:48
  you were like, whatever, you know, you got eaten by the bear.
• 1:26:51
  OK, so that threat is why every news station is praying upon
• 1:26:55
  threats, right? That you have to see in your
• 1:26:57
  environment to survive. Now think of every social media
• 1:27:00
  thing, every idea now is being turned into a threat.
• 1:27:03
  Whether that's left, whether that's right, conservative,
• 1:27:05
  literal, doesn't matter. Everything's becoming a threat.
• 1:27:07
  I think that is a problem on the right that I'm seeing.
• 1:27:10
  And being more on the right, I can say this that I think it's
• 1:27:12
  good for us to acknowledge it's all about they are out to get
• 1:27:15
  this. They, they, they, they, they,
• 1:27:17
  they, they, they, they, they. Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  Here's a ideology. Is it an individual?
• 1:27:21
  Is it an institution? But if it's the big broad, they
• 1:27:24
  this is where conspiracy theories find their root.
• 1:27:25
  And we become, we become hyper vigilant and, you know, scared
• 1:27:32
  of everything and everyone. Here's one point I want to make
• 1:27:34
  so deeply every like we're technology is largely turning
• 1:27:39
  people into a quantifiable data set.
• 1:27:43
  The views on this aren't views like you listening you're a
• 1:27:46
  person. Human persons are beautiful.
• 1:27:50
  You know it's so crazy since I've been off a lot of this
• 1:27:52
  world, I I will literally have moments.
• 1:27:55
  I live my life in airports. It's the worst right and
• 1:27:57
  everyone's on their phone, so no one looks at me.
• 1:27:58
  But when I make contact with some people, they literally get
• 1:28:01
  scared right? It happened the other day.
• 1:28:02
  I was flying like someone just looked up and I looked and I
• 1:28:05
  smiled and like, you know, they got like scared, right?
• 1:28:07
  It's. True, but.
• 1:28:08
  People are amazing. Every person you see is made in
• 1:28:13
  the image and likeness of God. And one of the things I've
• 1:28:15
  noticed getting out of these platform's and these algorithms,
• 1:28:17
  you have to remember your algorithm is dictating the
• 1:28:20
  perception of your reality, which is not likely true.
• 1:28:24
  Say that again. I think that's such a good
• 1:28:25
  point. I.
• 1:28:26
  Don't know what I just. Said your algorithm is dictating
• 1:28:28
  the perception of your reality, which is likely not true.
• 1:28:30
  Yeah. That is a good line.
• 1:28:31
  It's a good line and it's so. True, yeah.
• 1:28:34
  I mean, it's true that it's not true what you see, what X feeds
• 1:28:38
  you about what's wrong in the world or what matters What
• 1:28:40
  Instagram feeds you, what's wrong in the world, which
• 1:28:42
  matters really with any kind of feed feeds you is not really
• 1:28:47
  what's wrong in the world and what matters for you.
• 1:28:50
  One of the main books. Even though claims that it is
• 1:28:51
  100. Percent one of the main books
• 1:28:52
  that just came out called Careless People by Sarah 1
• 1:28:55
  Williams. She worked with Zuckerberg
• 1:28:56
  closely for 10 years. I highly recommend that book.
• 1:28:59
  They're trying to ban it from Amazon right now.
• 1:29:01
  It's her story. Everly going through working
• 1:29:02
  with the company. One of their main one of main
• 1:29:04
  meta's main sayings was to move fast and break things.
• 1:29:08
  Sadly, I think they happen to break the human person at a deep
• 1:29:13
  level. So here I, I want people to
• 1:29:14
  understand you're not just a number, you're not just a view,
• 1:29:16
  you're not just a comment, You're not just a transaction.
• 1:29:19
  Like every human person is so beautiful and amazing.
• 1:29:22
  And this is like, what's so weird for me is like, I'm out of
• 1:29:25
  the matrix and I start to look around and I just, I like, look
• 1:29:28
  at people. I'm like, I love people.
• 1:29:30
  Like I love people. People are so interesting.
• 1:29:34
  They really are and amazing and a gift.
• 1:29:36
  Every one of them. Every one of them.
• 1:29:38
  And right now, we're just turning all of us against each
• 1:29:40
  other. The polarization happening in
• 1:29:42
  our world is 100% due to our technology.
• 1:29:46
  There's no doubt about that. There's no doubt about that.
• 1:29:49
  So how do we help people get into reality and actually start
• 1:29:52
  to connect with themselves and nature and one another?
• 1:29:54
  There's so many more stories and so many more things I want to
• 1:29:56
  say there's one flight I was on recently where a woman next to
• 1:29:59
  me, I'll never forget this. A huge point of what these
• 1:30:02
  technologies are not giving us is getting to know ourselves.
• 1:30:05
  What's the commandment that God gave us to love our neighbor as
• 1:30:07
  our self. If I'm being honest, that second
• 1:30:10
  one is been the most difficult my entire life.
• 1:30:14
  I have a really hard time loving myself.
• 1:30:16
  That's been the hardest. I can love atheist and gaze and
• 1:30:19
  left and liberals I'm I can love them all.
• 1:30:21
  I don't care. We're better at abusing
• 1:30:23
  ourselves. I that loving yourself things
• 1:30:25
  really hard and one of the things I noticed is and if you
• 1:30:27
  look at a lot of the Saints. They were huge about entering in
• 1:30:31
  words where they can encounter God Christ in us the hope of
• 1:30:34
  glory. Felicia Wu song says in a book
• 1:30:36
  restless devices that with our technologies we're forever
• 1:30:39
  elsewhere. Oh my gosh, Joey Odom said this
• 1:30:41
  incredible quote. This is the first generation I
• 1:30:44
  quote. This is the first generation,
• 1:30:47
  meaning millennials and Gen. Z, that's going to have more
• 1:30:50
  memories of other people's lives than their own.
• 1:30:54
  Think about that for a second. Think about your scroll.
• 1:30:56
  You are looking at people's memories of moments of their
• 1:30:59
  lives, and guess what? You're missing out on your own.
• 1:31:02
  This is the first generation that's going to have more
• 1:31:04
  memories of other people's lives than their own.
• 1:31:07
  I want to get people's memories back into their own life with
• 1:31:10
  real people that when they look at the end on their deathbed,
• 1:31:15
  back at their life, they're not going to have those regrets,
• 1:31:16
  right? So give me the give me like the
• 1:31:19
  top 10 tips. I mean, we you just.
• 1:31:21
  Let's go to the 11 ways. Let's go through the Yeah.
• 1:31:22
  Look at this, you just taught me this thing.
• 1:31:25
  My screen. Just went.
• 1:31:27
  I love that. Gray.
• 1:31:28
  OK, great. So here's what you just did.
• 1:31:29
  You tell me what your glances. You decrease your glances to
• 1:31:32
  your device by 47%. Your average American is just
• 1:31:35
  glancing at the device 352 times a day to 2000 times a day.
• 1:31:40
  So the graying. Itself decreases your glance at
• 1:31:44
  how much. By 47% in that range.
• 1:31:47
  Yeah, so it's just like a boring old newspaper now.
• 1:31:48
  You're almost. Going to cut that in half.
• 1:31:50
  You know, it's funny and it's going to be kind of funny for
• 1:31:52
  you. It's going to get kind of
• 1:31:53
  boring. I mean you're not going to be as
• 1:31:55
  as interested, right? So that's a huge part.
• 1:31:57
  So in our digital plan of life, we start with a device.
• 1:31:59
  I use a light phone. So this is my cell phone.
• 1:32:02
  That's so cute. So this is a cute little phone.
• 1:32:04
  We give these out the light phone LIGHT thelightphone.com.
• 1:32:09
  This is a tool, right? So I usually.
• 1:32:10
  Should have them, we should get them.
• 1:32:12
  Are you, is that your company or is that?
• 1:32:13
  We partner with them. We should partner.
• 1:32:15
  With them on the show. I love that.
• 1:32:16
  This is so cute. Can I see your phone?
• 1:32:17
  You can. You can.
• 1:32:18
  See it? OK, so and like if you have a
• 1:32:21
  job like mine, which is a social media job, this might not work.
• 1:32:25
  So you can still use that. Here's the good news about that.
• 1:32:27
  This actually started with a lot of executives using it on the
• 1:32:30
  weekend. So that's your supercomputer for
• 1:32:32
  the week. On the weekend you want to be
• 1:32:33
  connected with just the people for emergency calls or hey, you
• 1:32:36
  got to hit a text. Or maybe I just use like,
• 1:32:39
  because the reality is I should only be working certain hours a
• 1:32:41
  day because when I'm with my kids, I'm supposed to not be on
• 1:32:44
  my phone. But there's some things that are
• 1:32:46
  like a phone call I have to make to the doctor or something like
• 1:32:48
  this. So it's still my super computer.
• 1:32:50
  So I could have a second phone that's personal and the work
• 1:32:53
  phone. You, this is such a good idea.
• 1:32:55
  I see I have hot what? So hot, so you.
• 1:32:57
  Have a phone you can text and call?
• 1:32:59
  You got an alarm clock You got. A calculator you got.
• 1:33:01
  Directions go back. Sorry I.
• 1:33:02
  Thought I just pressed the side button that middle one.
• 1:33:05
  OK. And then there's alarm.
• 1:33:06
  Great. You can download podcasts, you
• 1:33:08
  can download music. It takes a little.
• 1:33:10
  Bit can you listen on this? Oh yeah.
• 1:33:11
  So it still makes sound like like if you want to.
• 1:33:14
  I don't use it for that. I don't really listen to much.
• 1:33:16
  But you could listen to podcasts on this and then you can take is
• 1:33:20
  the camera, can you put my podcast on there?
• 1:33:23
  And then you can take pictures. Are the pictures as nice as the
• 1:33:25
  iPhone? Oh gosh, no, they're horrible.
• 1:33:27
  But they're really, they're so vintage.
• 1:33:28
  They are vintage, but what about my kids?
• 1:33:31
  They're gonna look, Really. Cool, I know, but like can we
• 1:33:33
  have one of these with a nicer camera?
• 1:33:35
  They're probably building that. OK, here's one thing too with
• 1:33:38
  like the memory thing, So. All right, it is kind of a cool
• 1:33:40
  looking thing, but yeah, I mean for.
• 1:33:41
  All the starts incredible the. Pictures I'm taking of my kids.
• 1:33:44
  I mean, again, moms should not be whipping out their phone
• 1:33:46
  every 10 minutes to take pictures of their kids.
• 1:33:49
  But if you take one pick a day, that's not too bad.
• 1:33:51
  That's actually one of our challenges is photo fast.
• 1:33:53
  So one pick a day just not of yourself.
• 1:33:55
  That's a challenge, right? That's good.
• 1:33:56
  But here's the kind of fun the. Great way to do that, by the
• 1:33:58
  way, is to have children. Yes.
• 1:34:00
  Before I got married, I was like, I had to.
• 1:34:03
  I did selfies regularly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:05
  Post marriage, I've got the love of my life.
• 1:34:08
  I've got the cutest human beings.
• 1:34:09
  I'm not interested. Anymore in taking pictures of
• 1:34:11
  stuff? But you have to.
• 1:34:13
  I mean that's even if you're single and you don't have kids,
• 1:34:15
  you should still lay off on the selfies as.
• 1:34:17
  Well, so here's The funny thing. There's actually quite a few
• 1:34:19
  studies that show that memory consolidation through a screen
• 1:34:22
  is diminished. So, and I've now heard first
• 1:34:24
  hand studies of of this as well where young people told me one
• 1:34:27
  of our clubs, Christendom, he went to Guatemala, took 500 plus
• 1:34:30
  pictures on his camera, literally came back, couldn't
• 1:34:33
  remember his trip, couldn't think of images back to memory.
• 1:34:37
  So he was relying on the device. So literally what's happening
• 1:34:39
  right now when you are taking pictures all day of your life,
• 1:34:42
  you're actually not consolidating the memory
• 1:34:44
  properly and you won't be able to recall it.
• 1:34:46
  That is true about taking pics of kids though, too.
• 1:34:49
  And I actually am sort of proud of myself sometimes when I don't
• 1:34:52
  take pics of my children for multiple days and then I get
• 1:34:54
  like a little bit, oh, I didn't take, you know, my daughter's so
• 1:34:57
  cute. I do pictures.
• 1:34:58
  So, but if you're playing with your kids or you're on and
• 1:35:01
  outing with your kids and it's all about the picture we're
• 1:35:03
  going to take as a family because pictures are a little
• 1:35:05
  bit stressful to take. Well, and even just the idea is
• 1:35:07
  that pictures being designed to be shared with others for
• 1:35:10
  quantifiable peer review. Well, that's.
• 1:35:12
  Where this if they're designed for Instagram, Yeah.
• 1:35:14
  But it's a problem. Everything people are going, you
• 1:35:17
  know, going places just to get the pick to share people.
• 1:35:20
  And, and to me, I've really like honestly, the last eight years
• 1:35:23
  of just living my life and not capturing it in a lot of ways, I
• 1:35:25
  still go on pictures. I still take pictures.
• 1:35:27
  It's not like I don't take pictures, but I'm but I'm mostly
• 1:35:30
  living my life and not sharing it with others and sharing with
• 1:35:34
  people in the moment. I can't tell you how profound
• 1:35:37
  that's been in my life in a lot of different ways.
• 1:35:39
  You feel happy. Oh well, way happier than I was
• 1:35:41
  before. Happiness is a journey, right?
• 1:35:43
  Doctor Brooks talks about this. It's not a destination.
• 1:35:46
  Come to studio. He'll be here in a couple weeks.
• 1:35:47
  That'll be awesome. Say hi.
• 1:35:48
  Yeah, that'll be great. I have a quick question.
• 1:35:50
  Sorry I interrupted you. You were going to say something.
• 1:35:52
  Else I have one story connected to getting to know yourself,
• 1:35:54
  because we were talking about that and then we got to get into
• 1:35:56
  the 11. Ways.
• 1:35:57
  Well, yeah, and I was going to ask you about this.
• 1:35:59
  I how do I do maps? So that's directions.
• 1:36:03
  So you have it, but there's is there a screen that shows a
• 1:36:05
  little line about where I'm driving and.
• 1:36:07
  There's also other, so this is 1 device we use.
• 1:36:09
  So this is part of our digital plan of life.
• 1:36:12
  So you first start with the device you have the light phone
• 1:36:13
  or you have the Wise Phone 2 by Techless.
• 1:36:16
  Techless I'd say is the best company making the best tool
• 1:36:20
  that's most applicable to most people.
• 1:36:21
  So Techless has the Wise Phone 2.
• 1:36:24
  That and we're partnering with them very deeply and some really
• 1:36:27
  exciting stuff too. It's a smartphone hardware,
• 1:36:30
  there's no Internet, but it has every app you need.
• 1:36:32
  It has driving, banking, flying, Lyft, all the stuff you need
• 1:36:36
  without a browser. So it's a 99.99% porn free
• 1:36:40
  device, No social media, no gaming, no nothing, just the
• 1:36:43
  essential tools. That's probably the best choice
• 1:36:46
  for most people. Texting, texting, everything you
• 1:36:49
  have, an e-mail, calendar, it's great.
• 1:36:51
  All the good stuff. All of what you need is a tool
• 1:36:53
  without the distraction. And then you know when you need
• 1:36:56
  to do your social stuff, you have another platform, right?
• 1:36:58
  Atomic Habits, your work phone, you have friction, right?
• 1:37:00
  That little bit of friction, that inconvenience.
• 1:37:02
  We need way more inconvenience in our.
• 1:37:04
  Life I'm totally buying one of these phones so.
• 1:37:06
  You're going to love it. Yeah.
• 1:37:07
  We'll hook you up. We could be my.
• 1:37:08
  Husband will love it too. My husband has the old school
• 1:37:11
  alarm clock by his bed. I love that.
• 1:37:13
  That's one of our challenges, Yeah.
• 1:37:14
  Because the main excuse is, well, I need my phone for my
• 1:37:16
  alarm clock. It's like Lily, we did not talk
• 1:37:18
  about this yet, but I'm pretty deep in the health and Wellness
• 1:37:20
  space. So even just regarding the phone
• 1:37:22
  5 GEMF electromagnetic fields, we have a whole episode on that.
• 1:37:28
  And in 2011, The Who came out and said that the radiation from
• 1:37:32
  your device is a Class 2B carcinogen along with lead
• 1:37:35
  gasoline. So the phone being on the ear on
• 1:37:38
  the body at all times is literally affecting our biology.
• 1:37:41
  It's a carcinogen. There's a explosion of cancers,
• 1:37:45
  particularly on the head, that are happening around the world
• 1:37:48
  from our phones being attached to.
• 1:37:50
  Our heads at all notice that the rate of an increase in brain
• 1:37:53
  cancer. Anecdotally, I know a family.
• 1:37:56
  They had two family members die of brain cancer.
• 1:38:00
  It didn't run in the family inexplicably in like a 24 month
• 1:38:03
  period. It's like a family that I grew
• 1:38:04
  up with. Yeah, but you know, brain
• 1:38:05
  tumors, brain cancer. Another girl you make, Trent
• 1:38:07
  Horn's wife has suffered a brain tumor recently.
• 1:38:10
  I know another family that we're familiar with.
• 1:38:12
  Their son just died and it's like everyone's getting brain
• 1:38:14
  tumors. So your Wi-Fi, your 5G, your
• 1:38:16
  cell phones, all of this is an electromagnetic field that our
• 1:38:19
  biology has never experienced. So that's.
• 1:38:23
  Wi-Fi in the room you're in, right?
• 1:38:24
  In the room from cell towers, we have a whole section on how this
• 1:38:27
  is affecting us biologically, largely increasing inflammation,
• 1:38:31
  chronic disease, it's releasing this calcium into our cell
• 1:38:34
  through this ion vulgated channel in our in our
• 1:38:37
  mitochondria. There is an incredible amount of
• 1:38:40
  data that the FCC and telecommunication companies are
• 1:38:43
  shutting down because there's scientists from all around the
• 1:38:46
  world that are sounding the alarm that we are living in a
• 1:38:50
  spectrum of energy that our body was not designed to.
• 1:38:53
  But you're saying it's worse when the phone is closed?
• 1:38:55
  Like just the general like. Always on speakerphone.
• 1:38:58
  You'll never see this thing on my ear.
• 1:39:00
  I have a little attachment that that's a hard wired.
• 1:39:02
  I do not use Bluetooth in my ear ever.
• 1:39:05
  So no Earpods. Nope.
• 1:39:07
  So here's the thing, they all say, well it's not thermal.
• 1:39:09
  This is all the studies. They say, well, it's creating no
• 1:39:11
  thermal effect, It's creating so much damage to our biology.
• 1:39:15
  Just because there's no thermal effect doesn't mean there's no
• 1:39:17
  effect, right? So we have a whole episode on
• 1:39:19
  EMF. We won't get into that.
• 1:39:20
  Now let's get into solutions. Yes, I we could go down that.
• 1:39:24
  Rabbit Yes. Let's start with B Light.
• 1:39:26
  That's one of my favorite ones. I love the science of light.
• 1:39:28
  I'm a light nerd. OK, so I love sunlight.
• 1:39:31
  I love light. I got fascinated with light over
• 1:39:33
  the years. We are living in a biological
• 1:39:36
  mismatch on many different fronts.
• 1:39:37
  That's affecting our Physiology, right?
• 1:39:39
  Which is part of our obesity epidemic, part of our mental
• 1:39:42
  health crisis. So in Genesis, right, what
• 1:39:44
  happens in the beginning, God separates light from dark.
• 1:39:48
  We talked about this a little bit earlier.
• 1:39:49
  So we are living in what's called now like nighttime days
• 1:39:53
  and daytime nights. So our, our biology was, was,
• 1:39:57
  was designed to evolve with the sun.
• 1:39:59
  The sun is not going to kill you.
• 1:40:00
  Just to give you a perspective. There's about 3 million people
• 1:40:03
  that die a year, give or take. In the US, there's about 12,000
• 1:40:06
  people that die of skin cancers. It doesn't even hit top ten of
• 1:40:10
  the top killers, right? There's a southern Swedish study
• 1:40:13
  that was done that literally interviewed thousands of women
• 1:40:16
  and show that actually the more time, bless you, the more time
• 1:40:22
  interviewed multiple different women and women that were
• 1:40:24
  indoors all day and women that are outdoor smoking cigarettes.
• 1:40:26
  Literally they had the same risk of all 'cause mortality.
• 1:40:30
  So you being inside all day was literally the same as poke
• 1:40:33
  smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
• 1:40:35
  So your disconnection from the sunlight, it's not just vitamin
• 1:40:37
  D, the sunlight actually releases melatonin in the cells,
• 1:40:41
  intracellular melatonin. So melatonin is not just a sleep
• 1:40:45
  hormone, it's the prime antioxidant of the body.
• 1:40:48
  Our separation from sunlight all day, particularly at the morning
• 1:40:51
  and evening hours, is creating an incredible amount of harm in
• 1:40:54
  our biology. We are designed, we are evolved
• 1:40:56
  to be in the light. Now, does that mean you go out
• 1:40:59
  and get sunburned? No.
• 1:41:00
  This is like the distinction, right?
• 1:41:02
  But there's a lot of data that's showing we are living in a
• 1:41:05
  mismatch biologically with light.
• 1:41:07
  Now, your average child, teenager and adult is losing
• 1:41:11
  about 30 minutes of sleep a night due to blue light from the
• 1:41:14
  screen. So what's blue light doing?
• 1:41:15
  Your eye is not just for sight. It's a clock.
• 1:41:18
  It connects to the pituitary gland in the hypothalamus, which
• 1:41:20
  is connected to the Super chaosomatic nucleus, right?
• 1:41:23
  The master circadian clock of the body, light literally
• 1:41:27
  dictates and tells every physiological process in the
• 1:41:30
  body what time of the day it is, right?
• 1:41:32
  So if you listen to Andrew Huberman or any of these health
• 1:41:34
  guys, light in the morning is incredibly crucial to start your
• 1:41:38
  day. We had some students actually
• 1:41:40
  recently in high schools that are going through a program.
• 1:41:42
  They're like, I just start my day and I'd scroll all day and I
• 1:41:44
  had a headache and this girl just started going and getting
• 1:41:47
  satellite in the morning. All of her headaches went away.
• 1:41:49
  She stopped scrolling and like feels way better just from her
• 1:41:52
  light environment. So we're living in in a
• 1:41:55
  biological mismatch from our light environments, right?
• 1:41:57
  Our days were indoors. We're getting less than 100 to
• 1:42:00
  like 1000 lux. Lux is just a measurement of
• 1:42:03
  light. And then in the evenings, we
• 1:42:05
  have all these fluorescent lights on which our biology was
• 1:42:07
  never designed to see. We never saw anything over 60
• 1:42:11
  lux at night. We only saw candlelight or
• 1:42:14
  fires, right? Which is a deep infrared
• 1:42:16
  frequency that we don't get anymore.
• 1:42:18
  So literally our first episode on B light breaks down the
• 1:42:21
  science of our screens in the evenings and our mismatch from
• 1:42:26
  sunlight and how to get back into the light.
• 1:42:28
  So when you say there's an episode on this, there's a
• 1:42:32
  podcast series. So it's an 11 part video series
• 1:42:35
  of me interviewing and cleaning PhDs.
• 1:42:37
  And that's all on the website Humanality.
• 1:42:39
  This is when you take the course, yeah.
• 1:42:40
  Oh, is that? Of course you can take online.
• 1:42:42
  Yeah, anyone can do it. It's an 11 ways to be human.
• 1:42:45
  You go through that. This sounds great.
• 1:42:46
  I mean, basically it's I mean it's probably connected to the
• 1:42:48
  next one to be outside. It's like the touch grass.
• 1:42:50
  I mean, that's really in a nutshell.
• 1:42:52
  I mean, in the ground, yeah. Grounding, yes, Get out the
• 1:42:55
  sunshine on you. Well, nature has an incredible
• 1:42:58
  healing modality so and there's a lot of literature too that
• 1:43:00
  talks about this and Nick Nicholas Carr talks about this,
• 1:43:04
  Michael Easter talks about this. Literally just putting more
• 1:43:06
  green in your environment will decrease cortisol.
• 1:43:09
  The color green or color? Green literally plants in your
• 1:43:12
  environment. It's my favorite color.
• 1:43:13
  It's a great. One Well, so this is great.
• 1:43:14
  So St. Hildegard of Bidgins.
• 1:43:16
  That name ring a bell. 12th century Mystic nun this woman I
• 1:43:19
  don't. Know if I'm allowed to say this?
• 1:43:20
  But she was a badass, okay? So she was a Mystic, She
• 1:43:23
  consulted kings and Queens. She was an herbalist, A
• 1:43:25
  nutritionist. This woman was talking about
• 1:43:28
  like intermittent fasting in the 12th century, okay?
• 1:43:31
  And saunas, okay. I love her.
• 1:43:33
  A country. Do Saunas.
• 1:43:34
  She's a nun. Oh.
• 1:43:35
  Yeah, and how did? She do a sauna.
• 1:43:36
  Probably is probably a different modality then, but some type of
• 1:43:39
  heat therapy and she also wrote an incredible amount of music.
• 1:43:42
  So like I'm trying to be like the dude version of her to be
• 1:43:45
  honest. Just maybe with.
• 1:43:46
  Saint Hildegard. Like with wife and lots of
• 1:43:48
  babies. Oh, actually, I, I am a little
• 1:43:49
  familiar with her. The herbalist, yeah, yes, but I
• 1:43:52
  it wasn't familiar with her. So she talked about the energy
• 1:43:58
  of greenness. So she called this very D toss.
• 1:44:00
  I'm going to say that wrong. It's a Latin word for the
• 1:44:02
  healing energy of greenness, not super woo woo.
• 1:44:05
  It's not. It's Catholic.
• 1:44:06
  And guess what? She's a doctor, the church
• 1:44:07
  holler. OK, so nature in our environment
• 1:44:10
  is incredibly important now with most of our time being spent
• 1:44:14
  indoors. And think of cities, actually
• 1:44:16
  cities, your most, your most densely populated cities have
• 1:44:20
  the lowest happiness. Now Mike Elisa talks about this.
• 1:44:24
  These complex fractals in nature actually decreases cortisol in
• 1:44:28
  the body. So when you go on a 15 minute
• 1:44:31
  nature hike, it, it does incredible physiological benefit
• 1:44:35
  to you. Just 15 minute walk a day
• 1:44:37
  outside of nature is, is going to do so much, you know, help
• 1:44:41
  with your cardiovascular health, lower inflammation, you know,
• 1:44:45
  decrease stress. Just I'm like a huge Walker.
• 1:44:47
  So I try and walk on calls. I try and walk and work as much
• 1:44:49
  as I can. And that's actually a benefit of
• 1:44:52
  the good of technology, right? So being outside, we have to
• 1:44:55
  start getting outside more and stop this whole weird thing of
• 1:44:59
  being afraid from the sun. Now, while I know you know, and
• 1:45:02
  I probably know people that are having skin cancer and different
• 1:45:04
  things, you have greater. Risk.
• 1:45:06
  We have greater risk of death. You have greater risk of death
• 1:45:08
  the more you avoid the sun. That's actually what the data
• 1:45:11
  points to. The more you avoid the sun, the
• 1:45:13
  shorter going to live. Now listen, you're going to get
• 1:45:14
  a little more wrinkly, which I realize isn't cool for our
• 1:45:17
  modern age. I'm going to be old and really
• 1:45:19
  wrinkly and really healthy is my hope.
• 1:45:22
  So being outside is huge. What else do you want?
• 1:45:24
  To hit well, what you said about the towns are the, excuse me,
• 1:45:27
  the densely populated cities and there's lowest happiness in the
• 1:45:30
  densely populated cities. And you're saying it's because
• 1:45:33
  of a lack of access to nature because being around more people
• 1:45:37
  is actually a good thing. Like I think about like the the
• 1:45:39
  way that they built towns in like Italy back, you know,
• 1:45:41
  hundreds of years ago, they were densely populated.
• 1:45:44
  You did have a lot of people living close to each other, but
• 1:45:48
  the town itself wasn't so big that you couldn't like venture
• 1:45:51
  out into nature. And I think that's the
• 1:45:53
  difference. It's like densely populated
• 1:45:54
  small groups of people. You know, the, the, the, the
• 1:45:58
  smallest version of that would be like the family home where
• 1:46:00
  hopefully there's a ton of kids and, you know, grandparents are
• 1:46:02
  living there too or whatever. But then you have quick and easy
• 1:46:05
  access and regular access to nature.
• 1:46:07
  Yeah, here's some of those quick stats.
• 1:46:08
  Five hours monthly and semi wild nature is optimal for mental
• 1:46:11
  health. 15 minutes in nature, Yeah, it drops blood pressure,
• 1:46:14
  heart rate, stress hormones, Having plants in the office, it
• 1:46:18
  increases productivity by 15%. Real.
• 1:46:21
  They have to be real, Harris. We got to.
• 1:46:23
  We got to get the real. Plant we'll get you guys we.
• 1:46:24
  Have the fake olive tree in here.
• 1:46:26
  This is wild. We don't I like, I think it's
• 1:46:28
  pretty about this, but we're living in noise decibels in
• 1:46:31
  cities that are actually. You know, I had a vision of
• 1:46:33
  having like, potted plants in my studio, like real.
• 1:46:35
  Just let's let's just go full jungle I think in.
• 1:46:37
  Here I actually like that. I think you should have a
• 1:46:38
  physical idea. I know it needs a little work
• 1:46:41
  and the green I the The thing is they say don't put green in your
• 1:46:43
  set because green does not translate well on camera.
• 1:46:46
  They are, but we can tell them about Yo St.
• 1:46:48
  Hildegard. We got this.
• 1:46:50
  By the way, I didn't sorry I'm being very ADHD with you right
• 1:46:53
  now, but Pope Benedict declared St.
• 1:46:56
  Hildegard a doctor of the Church in 20/20/2012.
• 1:46:59
  Yes, I have not studied her life.
• 1:47:02
  So you're convicting me of learning more about her?
• 1:47:04
  I mean, I'm a big fan of Sienna St.
• 1:47:06
  Caster of Sienna, Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint Teresa of these
• 1:47:09
  other doctors, but she's like a not very well known doctor today
• 1:47:13
  and she sounds amazing and especially like a St. for the
• 1:47:16
  time. So thank you.
• 1:47:17
  For introducing her, because one of her books, she has a whole
• 1:47:19
  book on nutrition, a whole book on healing on Earth.
• 1:47:21
  I mean, absolutely incredible stuff.
• 1:47:23
  Some stuff's outdated, but there's Hildegard healing
• 1:47:25
  centers all over the world, actually, of secular people
• 1:47:28
  using her prescriptions. Amazing.
• 1:47:30
  One other fun thing with cities and whatnot, actually noise
• 1:47:34
  contributes to heart disease, raises anxiety and we're
• 1:47:39
  actually living in like unhuman decibels of noise.
• 1:47:42
  So actually noise has physiological effects on the
• 1:47:45
  human person. So anyway, our, our whole
• 1:47:47
  outside topic is all again, this is all technology.
• 1:47:50
  Technology has conquered the outdoors, We've conquered nature
• 1:47:53
  action away. That's killing us.
• 1:47:55
  So again, this is this weird finding good stressors in your
• 1:47:58
  life physiologically, how does muscle grow?
• 1:48:01
  You have to lift heavy things. You have to tear muscle to build
• 1:48:04
  it. How do you get healthier?
• 1:48:06
  It's actually not sitting all day.
• 1:48:08
  You have to move right? Again, these are trade-offs of
• 1:48:11
  sitting all day. We're living in a Wall-e world,
• 1:48:13
  so I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Wall.
• 1:48:15
  E Yeah, I thought about that earlier.
• 1:48:16
  When you're living in Wall-e, it's now.
• 1:48:18
  Obesity. Those little yeah chubby guys,
• 1:48:21
  right? Yeah, 70% of our population's
• 1:48:23
  obese. That's the movie.
• 1:48:24
  With the scene where they're all fat and they're like, yeah.
• 1:48:27
  We're living in that now. But again, this is an effect,
• 1:48:29
  this is a trade off technology. While you can hit the button
• 1:48:33
  that gets you Uber Eats and brings you food to your door,
• 1:48:35
  for maybe you and me, that's not as detrimental.
• 1:48:37
  There's people that are really struggling with their weight
• 1:48:39
  that that's a really bad technology for them.
• 1:48:41
  Again, convenience is a killer. So you have to realize in your
• 1:48:44
  life right now, what conveniences are you going to
• 1:48:46
  say no to to help get your time, attention, and your health back?
• 1:48:49
  Because again, even just the light at night is suppressing
• 1:48:52
  melatonin by over 80%. Just fluorescent lighting in the
• 1:48:55
  evening is suppressing one of the most important antioxidants
• 1:48:59
  in the body, melatonin in your day-to-day.
• 1:49:01
  And all these things are connected, right?
• 1:49:03
  The amount of time you're moving outside your light environment,
• 1:49:06
  your social connection. Again, remember kind of the
• 1:49:10
  answer, your beginning point of like, well, what about the good
• 1:49:12
  that can be done in this? You have to take into account
• 1:49:15
  what it's doing to your average person, right?
• 1:49:18
  So your average person again, while they're scrolling and, and
• 1:49:20
  getting lost, doom scrolling, they're probably not connecting
• 1:49:23
  with people, they're probably not moving.
• 1:49:25
  When you're actually on technology and TV, you eat 30%
• 1:49:28
  more calories. They're probably not getting
• 1:49:31
  proper sunlight and movement. It's like we have to kind of
• 1:49:35
  look, I think at a macro level per person.
• 1:49:38
  And I'd say for most people, they're going to do better with
• 1:49:41
  limiting their technology on almost every platform.
• 1:49:44
  So very compelling. You're we talked, we're talking
• 1:49:47
  about be light, we're talking about be outside.
• 1:49:51
  Another one is be free on here. Does that have to do with not
• 1:49:55
  consuming entertainment? No, and I'm not against
• 1:49:57
  entertainment, right. Like I go and watch movies at
• 1:49:59
  movie theaters and I'll watch a Netflix movie with a friend or
• 1:50:03
  I'll watch a football game. I don't own ATV and at my cabin
• 1:50:07
  in Wyoming I have no cell reception so.
• 1:50:10
  But surely there is a you would recommend yes at humanality that
• 1:50:15
  you limit the amount of time you're consuming media content
• 1:50:18
  100. Percent and that's going to look
• 1:50:19
  different for everybody, which is why that's hard to make a
• 1:50:21
  prescription. But in general, yeah, the the
• 1:50:25
  more you can limit that to more meaningful interactions, the
• 1:50:28
  better. That might be reading a book
• 1:50:29
  that might be calling a friend that might be Facetiming a
• 1:50:31
  friend, maybe learning from a podcast that you that you really
• 1:50:35
  implement. Like my hope actually people
• 1:50:36
  listening to this is that you go and do something after.
• 1:50:39
  And I actually really encourage most of these shows I go on for
• 1:50:41
  people to have a pen and write down.
• 1:50:44
  They should have started with that.
• 1:50:45
  I know I can say that in the intro.
• 1:50:46
  So so sorry. What is B free then?
• 1:50:48
  So B free is actually all in the addiction science part which
• 1:50:50
  which we had a little bit about. So the the founding tech
• 1:50:53
  founders, their intentions, how you're being addicted.
• 1:50:55
  It goes into all the addiction signs, what we just touched on.
• 1:50:57
  But that whole episode is on how they're addicting you on purpose
• 1:51:00
  and what you can do to be free. And this is what young people I
• 1:51:03
  find really fascinating. They don't like.
• 1:51:06
  They don't like when they find out they're being used.
• 1:51:09
  All social media platforms make money by advertisements.
• 1:51:12
  So literally the camera is looking at your eyeballs on how
• 1:51:15
  long you scroll on each feed. Everything that you do on every
• 1:51:20
  social media platform is being harvested and sold to the
• 1:51:23
  highest bidder. Google has over 3,000,000 data
• 1:51:26
  points of each person on the planet, 3,000,000.
• 1:51:30
  So you have to understand that these apps aren't free.
• 1:51:33
  These algorithms are purposely engaging you to spend more time
• 1:51:38
  on platform to get you money. James or not.
• 1:51:41
  Jared Lanier wrote a book called 10 Reasons to delete your social
• 1:51:44
  media. He goes into these bummer
• 1:51:46
  principles that he talks about, but essentially your attention
• 1:51:49
  is rent is rented, it's being sold to the highest bidder.
• 1:51:52
  So I'm amazed at these young people.
• 1:51:53
  They don't like being used and they don't like to find out that
• 1:51:55
  they're being used for these guys as money.
• 1:51:57
  Your digital exhaust is making these people a lot of money.
• 1:52:01
  And Sally, they aren't concerned with your health.
• 1:52:03
  Last start with this 2021 Frances Haagen whistleblower
• 1:52:06
  came out and showed that actually met a nose from
• 1:52:09
  internal documents that their algorithms were increasing self
• 1:52:12
  harm, suicidality, body body image issues amongst young girls
• 1:52:15
  and they were asked to change it and they said no because they
• 1:52:19
  didn't want to decrease engagement.
• 1:52:21
  I remember that. I find that incredibly evil to
• 1:52:25
  know that your product is destroying lives and you
• 1:52:29
  willingly, you willingly heightening the algorithm you
• 1:52:34
  know. It's an unethical business.
• 1:52:36
  So. So be free then is what are the
• 1:52:39
  top few tools under be free? I mean, we mentioned Covenant
• 1:52:43
  Eyes as an example to protect you from pornography.
• 1:52:46
  There's this like, not a smartphone, the dumb phone,
• 1:52:49
  which I love. That's a smarter phone,
• 1:52:51
  actually. I like that smarter, even
• 1:52:53
  smarter phone than the dumb smartphone.
• 1:52:55
  Anyways, are there other tools you recommend for be free?
• 1:52:58
  Yeah, a lot of Be Free We, we help you understand the science
• 1:53:01
  of how this is affecting your brain.
• 1:53:02
  And then the whole point is each episode leans into these real
• 1:53:06
  life victories that we invite students into and then community
• 1:53:08
  adventures. So there's actual practical
• 1:53:10
  habits that we help you build out along the process.
• 1:53:13
  So that week you'll watch an episode and then you have a real
• 1:53:16
  life victory to choose from. There's six different ones.
• 1:53:18
  And you can actually, this might be fun.
• 1:53:20
  Can I have the water bottle in the?
• 1:53:22
  Real life victory from a certain.
• 1:53:24
  Social media, that's some type of habit that you're going to
• 1:53:27
  help change so. Like an bad Instagram habit?
• 1:53:29
  Is that what that? You're talking about anything
• 1:53:30
  regarding your technology. So you get the humanity water
• 1:53:32
  bottle and then you have all these challenges.
• 1:53:34
  I'll let you look at them, but for some of these, these are
• 1:53:37
  stickers. That's nice.
• 1:53:37
  So you take on the challenge, you achieve the sticker.
• 1:53:40
  So one of them that week is mindful meals, right?
• 1:53:43
  So you watch be free that week. Your challenge is to not scroll
• 1:53:46
  while you eat meals. Be present to your food, right?
• 1:53:49
  There's only about 30. For the people you're eating.
• 1:53:51
  Your food for the people you're eating your food.
• 1:53:52
  There's only about 30% of families that are eating meals
• 1:53:54
  together. Is this the Foodie 1?
• 1:53:56
  Mindful meals foodie one that's a community adventure so you and
• 1:53:59
  friends together learn and cook. Here we go.
• 1:54:00
  Mindful meals, OK. Yeah, so.
• 1:54:02
  When you So when you do the challenge and do a full week of
• 1:54:05
  it, then you get to put the sticker in your water bottle.
• 1:54:08
  And you and that's a challenge that's really hard to eat a meal
• 1:54:12
  and like not look at your phone. So you you win the challenge.
• 1:54:16
  This is hard. No, there's like little places
• 1:54:19
  on the water bottle for it. This is fun.
• 1:54:21
  Yeah, we're trying to make these things fun because it's actually
• 1:54:24
  fun. Yeah, gamify it a little.
• 1:54:25
  Bit it's fun to gamify it a little bit, and it's fun to feel
• 1:54:27
  better. This is a plastic water bottle
• 1:54:28
  though. I know this well.
• 1:54:29
  It's BPA free. Oh, OK, alright.
• 1:54:31
  We want to get to no plastic, but we're not there.
• 1:54:33
  Yet I love this OK and there's so many on here.
• 1:54:36
  Photo fast. No selfies, no pictures in
• 1:54:38
  general. 11 picture a day. Focus Fitness.
• 1:54:41
  So that's working out with no screen, just no music.
• 1:54:44
  Literally just go and work out and be present to your workout.
• 1:54:47
  Love it. Spiritual pray 10 minutes at
• 1:54:49
  least. Go to map without the phone
• 1:54:51
  essentially, which we also love. Hard.
• 1:54:53
  Yes. And listen, we partner with
• 1:54:55
  Halo, so we love a good we. Do too.
• 1:54:57
  I love you, Halo. We love Halo, but this challenge
• 1:54:59
  is to just have no phone you put.
• 1:55:00
  Halo on the smarter. Phone, no.
• 1:55:02
  That would be smart though. That would be smart, Alex.
• 1:55:06
  I'm sorry. OK.
• 1:55:08
  How about dance with somebody? I like that.
• 1:55:10
  Oh, I wanna dance. My my 4 year old loves dancing
• 1:55:13
  with me. Well.
• 1:55:13
  The whole challenge is to go out and dance.
• 1:55:15
  I love that. Don't post it just.
• 1:55:16
  Go dances. He has dance parties like swing
• 1:55:19
  dance. You know he does actual dancing
• 1:55:20
  like I. Love that.
• 1:55:21
  Literally just go swing dance Renaissance guide and go be
• 1:55:23
  there with people and dance. Don't post it.
• 1:55:24
  Servant, go do something nice for somebody and don't post it.
• 1:55:27
  Yeah, that too. I love this.
• 1:55:28
  OK, so love all of that. I just want to run through these
• 1:55:32
  because I want to leave people with this high note.
• 1:55:34
  These are all fantastic moving. We kind of talked about that,
• 1:55:37
  but like get outside and move, take a walk at least.
• 1:55:39
  Yeah, we're do something. Yeah.
• 1:55:41
  Because of technology, 80% of our population is is indoor
• 1:55:44
  sitting on screens for their job.
• 1:55:46
  So we have to 1st think about the huge shift in work, even
• 1:55:49
  defining what work is. Work for most of our history was
• 1:55:52
  movement at all. This is the weird.
• 1:55:54
  I was laughing the other day just driving here looking at a
• 1:55:56
  gym. Do you realize how weird a gym
• 1:55:58
  is that we go and pay people? If you were to have told someone
• 1:56:01
  200 years ago, hey, we're going to have these things where we
• 1:56:03
  pay people to go move and lift heavy things, and we're going to
• 1:56:07
  even pay people to watch us do that sometimes, you know, think
• 1:56:09
  about a fitness trainer. They'd be like, huh, right, Your
• 1:56:12
  day was like, and you're not. Like a professional athlete.
• 1:56:14
  Right. Your day was walking, you walked
• 1:56:17
  miles a day, right? So low level movements key.
• 1:56:20
  Most of us are so sedentary and this is a battle in my own life.
• 1:56:23
  Here's the such the ironic nature, this whole thing.
• 1:56:25
  I'm on a computer like all day trying to build this movement of
• 1:56:29
  helping people to get out of their screen addiction, to be
• 1:56:32
  more human. I have to hack this just as much
• 1:56:35
  as anybody else, right? So again, my phone calls, I try
• 1:56:37
  and walk my lunch break, It's outdoors, you know, I can make
• 1:56:40
  fun of for all the stuff. But like, I'm trying to be
• 1:56:43
  human. Like these inputs we always had.
• 1:56:46
  You got to get outside and you got to get moving.
• 1:56:48
  Every study in this master manual, in every study you're
• 1:56:52
  going to let go with, with exercises correlated to
• 1:56:54
  longevity. Just start moving.
• 1:56:55
  And here's what's so interesting to me.
• 1:56:57
  There's more information than ever about movement, fitness and
• 1:57:00
  health. I think it's the most confusing
• 1:57:02
  thing on the planet, actually, right now.
• 1:57:04
  One day you're looking online and then they're like, bananas
• 1:57:06
  are bad for you. One day you have a doctor, you
• 1:57:08
  have a PhD saying meat's bad for you, and then you have a vegan
• 1:57:10
  saying no, you know, or you know, they're saying like, yeah,
• 1:57:13
  and. Then Jordan Peterson is like,
• 1:57:16
  just eat meat. So anyway movement's key you
• 1:57:19
  have to start to implement movement.
• 1:57:20
  But I think it's very foundational, like eat more
• 1:57:23
  Whole Foods, avoid the processed section of the grocery store and
• 1:57:25
  processed foods and the outside and take a walk.
• 1:57:28
  I mean, you don't even have to go to the gym.
• 1:57:29
  You don't even have to lift weights.
• 1:57:31
  You don't. Even encourage people to go to
• 1:57:32
  the gyms. Literally just get some, like
• 1:57:34
  get some functional movement in your life, Play a sport, play a
• 1:57:36
  hobby, get outdoors. Like young people aren't doing
• 1:57:39
  these things. We have to literally reteach
• 1:57:41
  them to do some of these human things.
• 1:57:43
  OK. I want to go through a couple
• 1:57:44
  more of these before we wrap. So be connected, that's all on
• 1:57:47
  relationship. Beautiful.
• 1:57:49
  All on really how to build authentic friendship.
• 1:57:51
  You need to log at least about 200 hours with a person in
• 1:57:54
  person to build a friendship. We go through Aristotle's 2. 100
• 1:57:59
  hours in person with someone to build.
• 1:58:01
  What does that mean to build a friendship?
• 1:58:02
  I have friends that I've met only a couple times, but we stay
• 1:58:05
  in touch. Yeah, you stay in touch.
• 1:58:07
  Yeah, that's yeah, that's like an interesting.
• 1:58:08
  Are they are friends? Too right To stay in touch.
• 1:58:10
  Yeah, Really. What does that look like?
• 1:58:11
  What does that mean and is that really what we were designed
• 1:58:14
  for? So I would say the hyper
• 1:58:15
  connection is actually part of the loneliness epidemic.
• 1:58:18
  This is what's so wild. But it's not deep connection.
• 1:58:20
  It's not deep connection. This is why 68% of Gen.
• 1:58:23
  Z says that no one really knows me.
• 1:58:26
  That's while we're sharing all of our ideas and sharing all of
• 1:58:29
  our days and sharing all of our posts and get all these likes.
• 1:58:31
  We're not building intimate relationships because you can
• 1:58:34
  only build those in person. And guess what?
• 1:58:36
  You can only learn empathy. Like what we're doing even right
• 1:58:38
  now through in person, you can't learn this through a screen.
• 1:58:42
  So Doctor Robin Dunbar goes through this is an evolutionary
• 1:58:45
  psychologist that talks about friendship, how many friends we
• 1:58:48
  can actually facilitate as humans today.
• 1:58:50
  So do you know the number of acquaintances that we can really
• 1:58:53
  facilitate? Do you know the number?
• 1:58:55
  No, but I know the number for friends is like 10 or 12 right?
• 1:58:58
  You're right. So what's it about 1:50 to 2:30?
• 1:59:01
  So if you look at most of these Amish communities, hunter
• 1:59:03
  gatherer tribes, they're weirdly in this 1:50 to 2:30 room.
• 1:59:07
  It's like the biggest wedding, but that makes sense.
• 1:59:09
  Right, that's acquaintances. You want to get a little closer
• 1:59:12
  into me. Intimate friendships that you're
• 1:59:13
  seeing more regularly. It's about 50 and then it goes
• 1:59:15
  down to 15 and deep intimate friendships, it's 5.
• 1:59:20
  So here's what I found. What?
• 1:59:21
  Do you do when you have 10 people in your family?
• 1:59:23
  That's a lot of intimate friendships or yeah, that's a
• 1:59:26
  lot of connections you got. To give 10 kids, what do you do?
• 1:59:29
  It's a lot. It's a lot.
• 1:59:32
  And here's also he. Said 12 disciples, though.
• 1:59:34
  Yeah, and he invested in three. But he was Jesus.
• 1:59:36
  But he really invested in three. That's true.
• 1:59:38
  So even there's like these tears, right?
• 1:59:39
  And I found on my social media, I found this so weird.
• 1:59:42
  More people knew about my life and what I was doing than me.
• 1:59:45
  So I would go to another city. I don't like, I would wake up in
• 1:59:47
  city. I still do that.
• 1:59:48
  Sometimes I wake up and I'm like, I don't know what city I'm
• 1:59:50
  in, right? And I remember people come up to
• 1:59:52
  me like, oh, I just saw you were in Canada or you were on the
• 1:59:55
  West Coast. And I'm like, oh, yeah.
• 1:59:57
  I was like, people are starting to know more about my own life
• 2:00:01
  than me. And I found that my friendships
• 2:00:03
  online, while I knew that they got married or had a kid and the
• 2:00:06
  kid did this and that. Next thing happened, I noticed
• 2:00:09
  no one was really checking in with me as much because guess
• 2:00:11
  what? They knew what I was doing, but
• 2:00:14
  they didn't really know me. So here's what's happening right
• 2:00:17
  now. And this is deep sociological.
• 2:00:19
  There's so much depth to this idea.
• 2:00:21
  We know more about what people are doing than we actually know
• 2:00:23
  about them, so this shallowness of our relationships is actually
• 2:00:27
  causing this loneliness epidemic, I believe.
• 2:00:29
  And it's driving the polarization.
• 2:00:31
  Education because you can. Much more easily hate judge.
• 2:00:34
  Be angry at someone or something that you don't really know.
• 2:00:36
  One out of five millennials has zero friends.
• 2:00:39
  This is why dating apps are are getting a lot of traction,
• 2:00:42
  because people are incredibly lonely, largely due to our
• 2:00:44
  technologies, largely due to the car.
• 2:00:46
  One out of every five millennials say they have no
• 2:00:48
  friends. Yeah, the car did incredible
• 2:00:50
  good and incredible damage all at once, right?
• 2:00:52
  The the train, the plane. I'd say I've, I've experienced a
• 2:00:56
  lot of the damage of the plane in my life.
• 2:00:58
  I have felt like I've flown everywhere in the world.
• 2:01:02
  And I've also like live nowhere, right?
• 2:01:05
  And I and I meet friends, all of our friends all over the world,
• 2:01:08
  amazing friendships. I rarely get to really invest in
• 2:01:10
  them, you know? I mean, you remind me a little
• 2:01:12
  bit about myself before I got married because I was on the
• 2:01:15
  road 50% of the time minimum. And I was for pro-life activism.
• 2:01:19
  And I would go around the world, I'd speak, I'd do
• 2:01:21
  investigations, I would do seminars, I would do whatever,
• 2:01:23
  all these things. And I was so lonely.
• 2:01:26
  I was so lonely because I would also was living alone.
• 2:01:29
  I was not supposed to live alone for more than like a year, but
• 2:01:31
  it just like ended up happening for like 3 years.
• 2:01:33
  So I had no one in my home. It was just me.
• 2:01:36
  So I finally was like, I know I'm not supposed to do this
• 2:01:38
  anymore. I need to take decisive action
• 2:01:40
  and I want to design my life now for the kind of life that I'm
• 2:01:43
  praying to God for, which includes a husband and A and
• 2:01:46
  children. And so I wanted yes, I, I, I, I
• 2:01:49
  worked hard here. I'm going to keep working hard,
• 2:01:50
  but I'm going to now start like designing my life so I can
• 2:01:53
  sustain what I feel called to do with pro-life work and my
• 2:01:56
  culture work and stuff Will still being a wife and a mother
• 2:01:59
  and I'm still like figuring it out Like, nothing's perfect.
• 2:02:01
  But it had to do with cutting back on the the plane, actually.
• 2:02:05
  I mean, I'm in that now. And also, by the way, there's an
• 2:02:06
  incredible trade. I love aviation, so I went from
• 2:02:09
  being terrified of flying like panic attacks to like, I can't
• 2:02:12
  wait to be a pilot one day. Like I want to get my private
• 2:02:13
  pilot sizes for funsies. I think aviation is the most
• 2:02:17
  successful wild technological victory of humanity.
• 2:02:20
  When you think about what happens every day all over the
• 2:02:23
  world, it's unbelievable. Like we land.
• 2:02:25
  Like, I just went up in the sky with two random people going 500
• 2:02:28
  miles an hour and we landed. Everyone's like, OK, it's so
• 2:02:31
  bad. It's absurdly.
• 2:02:33
  Terrifying when you, but also. From a circadian rhythm
• 2:02:35
  standpoint, it is absolutely damaging to the human person to
• 2:02:38
  change time zones every day, every week, once a week.
• 2:02:42
  We were not physically designed to do that.
• 2:02:45
  That's why a lot of pilots and a lot of these people that have
• 2:02:47
  night shift workers, whether in the healthcare system or night
• 2:02:50
  shift workers have incredibly high risk of, of disease and
• 2:02:54
  cancer because we are living again, in environments, light
• 2:02:57
  environments we weren't designed to be in.
• 2:02:59
  So anyway, friendships be connected, all about how to
• 2:03:02
  create and how people can really invest in the most important
• 2:03:05
  relationships in their life. And that's the science we kind
• 2:03:07
  of dive into. Just to keep it something
• 2:03:10
  actionable for someone. You mentioned the 200 hours for
• 2:03:13
  a friend. Would you say the best advice
• 2:03:15
  you can have for somebody maybe listening in terms of building
• 2:03:19
  friendships is identify some people in your life.
• 2:03:22
  They could even be family members that you actually make
• 2:03:25
  time to spend time with where there's no screens involved 100.
• 2:03:29
  Percent. That's just that's it.
• 2:03:30
  Go walking with them, play bingo with them.
• 2:03:33
  I like playing chess. You can play chess with them,
• 2:03:36
  board games, read a book, go to, I don't know, somewhere with
• 2:03:40
  them go to church with them, go. Clay, go build pots.
• 2:03:43
  You know, go go do something that involves humans.
• 2:03:47
  Yeah, now this is terrifying. And this is what's hard is like
• 2:03:50
  if people can use technology to get in person, there's no third
• 2:03:53
  places anymore, right. So with a population going to
• 2:03:56
  less churches, there's less places for people to be with
• 2:03:59
  each other. So I'm actually interested in
• 2:04:01
  somehow being part of the movement that helps create third
• 2:04:03
  places in some way. But go to coffee shops.
• 2:04:06
  But The funny thing is, even coffee shops, that's.
• 2:04:08
  So I go to work. I go to, I go to work and I go
• 2:04:11
  into a coffee shop and sit by myself in a computer and it's
• 2:04:13
  like, it's so weird. So anyway, you have to
• 2:04:17
  prioritize this stuff is the point.
• 2:04:19
  And you have to make an intentional decision to say,
• 2:04:22
  hey, I'm going to start to spend more FaceTime with people again.
• 2:04:26
  The physiological benefit of deep social relationships is
• 2:04:30
  your #1 predictor for longevity. More than you should clean your
• 2:04:33
  You know we should stop. 60% of the population is eating culture
• 2:04:36
  processed food. That's a bad stat, right?
• 2:04:38
  6 out of 10 Americans have one or more chronic diseases. 12% of
• 2:04:42
  our population is metabolically unhealthy. 50% of the population
• 2:04:45
  is diabetes. These are bad things, but even
• 2:04:49
  more than that is increasing social capital.
• 2:04:51
  Capital in your life. Real.
• 2:04:54
  Life connections, it's going to be awkward.
• 2:04:56
  You're going to without screens, yes.
• 2:04:59
  I keep saying that because you can often, like the teenagers
• 2:05:01
  today, get together and they're all on their phone next to each.
• 2:05:03
  Other Oh literally I literally saw this.
• 2:05:04
  I see this everywhere. The other day I was just in
• 2:05:06
  Denver. Whole group of kids came in on
• 2:05:08
  their phones, sat together, good looking guys, some really good
• 2:05:10
  looking girls. I'm like, dudes, you should be
• 2:05:13
  spitting game right now, right? Like you should be like talking
• 2:05:15
  to them and flirting. They were all on their phones.
• 2:05:18
  One of them looked up out of the matrix, stood up and walked out
• 2:05:21
  and all of them got off their phones, stood up and walked out.
• 2:05:24
  They didn't say a word. I see this all over, all over
• 2:05:28
  the world, right? I mean, this is, this is what's
• 2:05:30
  hard to like really, really diagnosed.
• 2:05:34
  Like what's going to be best. I honestly, if I had to say, I'd
• 2:05:38
  say for most people, the more you can limit your digital
• 2:05:44
  interactions, social media, gaming, news, if you can limit
• 2:05:52
  that to 10 to 30 minutes a day. If I had to put a real time to
• 2:05:54
  it, to me that's what the data shows to would probably bring
• 2:05:58
  the most benefit into your life. Here's my challenge for people
• 2:06:01
  listening, if they feel this urge at all to delete social
• 2:06:04
  media, unless you are intentionally using social media
• 2:06:09
  to advance a specific cause and it could be your home business,
• 2:06:12
  because that matters for your home, that's how you're
• 2:06:14
  supporting your family, I would say delete it.
• 2:06:16
  Yeah, that's what I would say. Yeah.
• 2:06:18
  And if you are using social media to advance a specific
• 2:06:21
  cause, could be your home business or the pro-life cause
• 2:06:23
  or evangelization or something, then you have to be 100% locked
• 2:06:27
  in about how you're using it. To your point.
• 2:06:29
  Yeah. And you're not doing the doom
• 2:06:30
  scrolling. Yeah, well, even how you're
• 2:06:32
  sharing it too, like I think we forget that.
• 2:06:34
  I, I think I over, I think I, I said this the other day and
• 2:06:37
  someone said that was a good quote.
• 2:06:38
  I'll try and remember it. But they're like, I was
• 2:06:40
  consuming so much Catholic content.
• 2:06:42
  I was forgetting to be consumed by God.
• 2:06:44
  So here's also again, the trade off.
• 2:06:47
  You can listen to all the best Catholic content all day every
• 2:06:50
  day and forget to know the God that created the content.
• 2:06:52
  That's my other message for people listening.
• 2:06:54
  If you are listening to this podcast and it's getting in the
• 2:06:56
  way of you praying, spending time in silence and praying,
• 2:07:00
  please delete my podcast from your life.
• 2:07:03
  Yeah, this the goal of this is to help you live your life
• 2:07:06
  better and love God and other people better and the bottom
• 2:07:10
  line and you have this here. You have be silent in here.
• 2:07:13
  You have be mindful and others are connected to faith, but you
• 2:07:16
  need to createspace in your life.
• 2:07:19
  Yes, for Mass, I believe for going to church is is is
• 2:07:23
  essential, but for just silence, letting God speak to you.
• 2:07:26
  Lord, what do you want to say just sitting there in front of
• 2:07:28
  the blessed? Sacrament.
• 2:07:29
  This was to the one story. I was on a plane, woman next to
• 2:07:31
  me scrolling literally the entire flight.
• 2:07:33
  When I mean the entire flight, I mean literally scrolling the
• 2:07:35
  entire flight. It was at least an hour and a
• 2:07:38
  half second. We got out of Wi-Fi zone, you
• 2:07:41
  know, phone died and she like head down to sleep.
• 2:07:43
  I mean, it was so wild. I get my light fun and we land
• 2:07:46
  and I'm like, I need to get a ride.
• 2:07:48
  She's like, Oh my gosh, what is that thing?
• 2:07:50
  I was like, this is my light phone in a digital detox
• 2:07:53
  company. I run, you know, and she's like,
• 2:07:54
  Oh my gosh, I'm so addicted to my phone.
• 2:07:57
  In the back of my head I'm like, yeah, no crap lady.
• 2:07:59
  Like I saw I was, I was very nice.
• 2:08:00
  I was very generous, she said. Something I'll never forget, she
• 2:08:03
  said. I can't be with my thoughts for
• 2:08:05
  just one second. So.
• 2:08:10
  That's going to make me There's a a lot this show that's so sad.
• 2:08:13
  There's a huge reality that this is outsourcing our reality again
• 2:08:17
  of getting to know ourselves, which again cut connects back to
• 2:08:20
  loving God and loving yourself. It's really hard.
• 2:08:23
  I think one of the hardest journeys I've been on again is
• 2:08:25
  getting to love and know myself. And the more I'm on these
• 2:08:28
  things, again, it's not just what you're viewing. the US
• 2:08:30
  Surgeon general literally said that social media needs to have
• 2:08:35
  warning labels just like cigarettes.
• 2:08:37
  This is AUS surgeon General ask for warning labels on social
• 2:08:40
  media platforms because it's mostly carcinogenic and toxic to
• 2:08:44
  our psychology, right? And when I think the toxins is
• 2:08:47
  again, we're missing the journey of getting to know ourselves,
• 2:08:50
  which you were created by God. You're worth getting to know and
• 2:08:54
  you're worth getting to know yourself Now everything online
• 2:08:57
  now is getting to know yourself and self-expression and all
• 2:08:59
  these things. And Paul Kingsnorth, he wrote a
• 2:09:02
  book called Against the Machine and Philip Reef he quotes in his
• 2:09:06
  book The Triumph of the therapeutic and he quotes these
• 2:09:10
  different stages that man has been in.
• 2:09:11
  It started with a political man. So Socrates was terrified of us
• 2:09:15
  writing down things. He thought our brains would turn
• 2:09:17
  to mush. Sally, I think a lot of what he
• 2:09:19
  said has come true in many different ways.
• 2:09:21
  But he was, while he talked about this, he wrote this down,
• 2:09:24
  right? He was writing about how writing
• 2:09:26
  is going to ruin our brains, right?
• 2:09:27
  So in some capacity, we have to enter into these mediums in some
• 2:09:30
  way to help people get out of the addictive side of it, right?
• 2:09:33
  But to start with the political man, it went to the religious
• 2:09:36
  man, from there to the economic man.
• 2:09:38
  And then now we're in the psychological man phase, so
• 2:09:41
  everything's about the interior and the psychological.
• 2:09:43
  And this is where you get all these crazy ideologies that are
• 2:09:46
  coming out of these social platforms.
• 2:09:48
  There's a real history to actually why these ideas are
• 2:09:50
  happening, but we're identifying ourselves.
• 2:09:53
  It's called expressive individualism.
• 2:09:55
  Whatever I feel is what I am. That's an idea that's deeply
• 2:09:59
  rooted in Freud and Rousseau and many different atheistic
• 2:10:03
  thinkers, right? The amazing gift of Christianity
• 2:10:06
  is that you aren't your feelings and actually your deepest We're
• 2:10:09
  a body soul, composite, right? We have this hylomorphic view of
• 2:10:13
  the human person. I'm an embodied soul, and if I'm
• 2:10:15
  honest, I don't know exactly what that means.
• 2:10:17
  I thought about that a lot, but apparently that's what we are.
• 2:10:19
  It's partly a mystery. It's partly a mystery, but
• 2:10:21
  what's happening with a lot of these technologies is that they
• 2:10:24
  are creating this worldview of the interpretation of our self
• 2:10:29
  that is largely psychological and not actually understanding
• 2:10:33
  the full potential and flourishing of the human person.
• 2:10:37
  We're embodied souls, right? I'm not.
• 2:10:39
  My identity is not what I do. That's why it's always weird
• 2:10:42
  when I come on these things and people, you know, you start with
• 2:10:45
  what you do, right? Who are you?
• 2:10:47
  Oh, I'm an artist, I'm a musician, I'm a theologian.
• 2:10:49
  I'm a National Board certified health and Wellness coach.
• 2:10:52
  I'm this, and it's the deeper thing that I am is the Son of
• 2:10:55
  God. Right, it has to all come back
• 2:10:57
  to. That that's what it has to come
• 2:10:58
  down to. But I noticed this woman really
• 2:11:00
  broke open a lot, most of our escape into the digital realm, I
• 2:11:03
  think, and what a lot of the literature shows is actually
• 2:11:06
  it's it's quenching the psychological stress and fear of
• 2:11:10
  getting to know ourselves. Last at Harvard did a study
• 2:11:12
  where they put students, university students in a room
• 2:11:14
  for 15 minutes by themselves and were asked to just be alone,
• 2:11:18
  right? They started with this
• 2:11:19
  electrical shock. One student shocked themselves
• 2:11:21
  up to like 130 plus times, right?
• 2:11:24
  We're terrified of being with ourselves.
• 2:11:27
  Be mindful, be silent. Those episodes we put you into
• 2:11:29
  practical situations like one of these stickers we have is idle
• 2:11:33
  hours. So that challenges while you're
• 2:11:35
  doing the groceries, while you're at a stoplight, while
• 2:11:38
  you're waiting in between things, don't pull out the
• 2:11:41
  device. Just be present to the moment.
• 2:11:44
  And that'll be like the challenge.
• 2:11:45
  Someone can start today. You know when you're at the
• 2:11:46
  stoplight, don't pull out the phone, just look around.
• 2:11:49
  You know when you're at the airport, I dare you when you're
• 2:11:52
  at the airport in your gate to just look around and just look
• 2:11:55
  at people. Look at people, watch people, be
• 2:11:58
  present to God. God's everywhere.
• 2:12:00
  Saint Paul said to pray unceasingly.
• 2:12:02
  We didn't really get into the whole spiritual aspects of all
• 2:12:05
  this. Obviously all this angst I feel
• 2:12:07
  I got to. Have you back, Andrew?
• 2:12:08
  There's so much more to explore. It's largely I think because
• 2:12:11
  there's this huge spiritual component to this and I'm
• 2:12:14
  interested in that whole person experience.
• 2:12:16
  But that would be my encouragement is there's there's
• 2:12:19
  practical little things you can do today that's going to help
• 2:12:23
  one get that number down. I want that 27 years that you're
• 2:12:25
  in a life to not be 27 years. And I want you for the years you
• 2:12:28
  have left to spend them with the most valuable experiences you
• 2:12:32
  can have. I'm hopeful because everything
• 2:12:34
  that you recommend is so human and it's so, in a way,
• 2:12:38
  effortless. If you get back to the roots of
• 2:12:40
  how we were designed, all of this is available on your
• 2:12:43
  website. You have these great resources.
• 2:12:45
  How can people find your work? Yeah.
• 2:12:47
  So we're not on any social media platforms now.
• 2:12:49
  I'm interested, actually, this might change.
• 2:12:52
  I'm interested in going to the podcast world.
• 2:12:54
  I do think this medium can be incredibly beneficial.
• 2:12:57
  And so while we're not on any podcast, we don't have any
• 2:12:59
  social media, you can go to our website, humanality.org, and
• 2:13:03
  we're on Hollow again, you can go to Hollow, go to Digital
• 2:13:05
  detox, go through this. People are really giving
• 2:13:08
  incredible feedback there. Anyone can start this course if
• 2:13:11
  you're 90 years old and you want a better relationship with your
• 2:13:13
  phone and screens. If you're nine years old,
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  actually we probably recommend 14 years old and above.
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  There is an episode that does talk about the effects of
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  pornography. So we want to keep that for 14
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  years and older. Anyone can start this with their
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  friends. This is happening at schools, at
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  churches, at businesses. Amazing.
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  I want to help the world be human, and that's really my
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  mission. Thank you, Andrew, this is
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  incredible. Thank you.
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  Thank you so much. We will be so excited to share
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  and check out humanality.org. And what they can do instead of
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  commenting, communicate with a person.
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  About it so. Here's what I love If you feel
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  this impetus where you're like, Oh my gosh, I I got to type this
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  comment. Whether you really agree with
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  what I'm saying or you're incredibly furious about what
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  I'm saying, I want you to direct that energy towards an in person
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  interaction because that's actually going to help your day.
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  I love that, yeah. Thank you.
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  Yeah. Thank you for what you're doing.
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