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E55: Taking Back The Rainbow · The Lila Rose Show

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  How do you respond to children and teenagers who identify as
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  part of the LGBTQ plus community?
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  What do I do if my kid comes home from school and he's
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  identifying that way? Yeah.
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  What do you think causes homosexual desires to originate?
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  Should I attend my son or my friend's gate wedding?
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  That is a very common question. Hey guys, welcome back to the
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  Lila Rose Podcast. Today we're going to have back
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  on Kim Zember, my friend who is phenomenal.
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  She was here before talking about her amazing transformation
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  coming out of the LGBT lifestyle.
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  Today we're going to go more into questions that the audience
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  has and about LGBT related issues, the rainbow revival.
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  We're going to talk about unforgotten faces, her ministry
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  in Ethiopia and just answer some of your toughest questions.
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  checkout for 20% off your order. Kim, thanks so much for coming
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  back in the podcast. Absolutely in person.
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  I know I thought this was the original dream to have you here
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  in person so come true. It's it's so so Kim Zember, for
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  folks that didn't get to listen to the first one or just to kind
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  of reintroduce you, tell us a little bit about who is Kim
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  Zember and your background. And I want to ask specifically
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  about these amazing ministries you're a founder of and
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  involved. With yeah I'm still being taught
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  who I am so that is but there's a lot that that the Lord's had
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  me doing so I did come out of the LGBT community dated women
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  for years also did missions work in Ethiopia have a mission in
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  Ethiopia for the last 17 years. Love the younger generation have
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  always felt kind of drawn to Gen.
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  Z and just to kind of pour into the generations behind and just
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  wanting to see like the passion come forth, like a real love for
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  Jesus. Because like for me growing up,
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  I feel like it was kind of just a lot of rules that I was trying
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  to follow. And so I think when I really
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  tasted and experienced Jesus in a like personal and profound
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  way, there was like a hunger of like, I want others to
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  experience him. Like, and then the rules and all
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  that all like fall into place. So yeah, I don't know who I
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  know. I'm a beloved daughter.
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  I've learned that recently. And so all the other kind of
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  titles and and things are all a part of it, but really like the
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  rootedness in just being a beloved daughter and learning
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  what that is like experientially, not just words.
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  So yeah, it's life changing when you actually experience what it
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  means to be a daughter or a son of God.
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  Yeah, and it's like not exhausting to try to be
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  something, right? Like just to receive an identity
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  is huge. It's it's changed my life in the
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  sense of like there's just not as much much pressure to perform
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  or pressure to impress, but you should kind of get to rest in
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  what Jesus has done and, and let him guide you.
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  So it's been a gift. In all your ministry, and I want
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  to get to the specific ministries, but in your ministry
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  time, because I'm thinking about the people that I've met over
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  the years. And when you talk about being a
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  child of God with you get to that, have that conversation.
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  How many people do you do you encounter who you know deeply
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  may be hungering for that, but they never have had that moment
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  of that just eternal peace in their soul that they are loved
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  by a Father? Yeah, sadly, I feel like with
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  how much, you know, I'm, I'm blessed to be able to go out and
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  share, you know, not only testimony, but the testimony of
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  Christ, right. And then how that's reflected in
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  my life. And I just find a lot of people
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  in that place of like just searching for their identity
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  and, and I think sometimes even more than searching for it,
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  trying to earn it, even in the Christian circles, like in our
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  Catholic circles and and non Catholic circles, just a lot of
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  striving, earning and deserving and feeling like it's kind of
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  conditional, right? When they do good, you know,
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  they're, they're now a beloved child of God.
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  But when they kind of fail or falter, it's like, you know,
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  they got to start over. And so it's been really kind of
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  it, it kind of pricks my own heart just to see how many
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  people, like I'm not the only one that struggled with with
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  this. And I think even outside of
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  Christian circles, like I get emails and messages all the time
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  from people that are like, I've been struggling with my identity
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  even outside of sexuality, right?
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  And so I think it's like an epidemic, to be honest, just in
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  our world. Like we were created to be
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  someone. And I think we've all tried to
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  become that instead of receive that from God.
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  So yeah, I see it a lot for sure.
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  I saw a survey last year that said that I think it was one in
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  four evangelical millennials identify.
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  They feel like their identity is the LGBTQ.
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  Yeah. Plus label.
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  Yeah, I would, I would say that that number is probably growing.
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  I don't want to like speak that over the generation, but unless
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  a unless a more rooted identity is presented, I think that's
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  what we do. Like if we don't know who we
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  are, we're going to go figure it out for ourselves.
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  And so you identify with your sexual desires, you identify
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  with the career you have, whatever it be.
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  And so but we were created to be seen.
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  We really were. And I think that's where
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  sometimes in the church, it's, it's hard because we, you know,
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  we want this life of humility, but we were created to be seen,
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  not so that we could have glory, but so God can be glorified
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  through us. And so I just, I don't know, I,
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  there's such a sensitivity in my heart for this generation and,
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  and for those within the LGBT community that they're like,
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  this is who I am. And to me, I'm the only thing I
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  can think is then you probably just haven't seen something
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  better, right. And so like how how well is the
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  church doing holding before for them this beautiful thing that
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  that they can receive and the world actually can't take from
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  them? And you don't have to like fight
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  for it and like defend, you know, you can just rest in it.
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  And so to me, it, it actually opens a place of compassion and
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  like a desire to want to hold this before them as like, hey, I
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  don't know what your life is. I haven't walked in your shoes.
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  But here's my story and here's what God showed me and what I
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  received and what I can rest in now.
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  So. We talked about this on the
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  first podcast we did a several months ago, but we didn't
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  actually talk about something I want to make sure we cover,
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  which is your book Restless Heart, which is that story of
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  seeking that ultimate rest of identity on God and what
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  attracted you to be part of that LGBT world?
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  And then what changed for you, You know, how you found
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  ultimately your trade identity and God.
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  We talked a lot about kind of the lead up and then we talked
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  about the beautiful message you shared you for everyone that our
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  identity is ultimately in God, but we didn't talk about those
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  moments of change for you. So I wanted to start there
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  because I even had some people saying like this is so powerful
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  and they wanted to read your book.
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  And I think some got your book, but there was like, what was the
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  what was the moment? I think it was clear why you
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  changed in the end, like God's love, but what were those events
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  in your life? So.
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  Yeah, I mean, there's a few, and I've said this, I actually just
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  did an interview not too long ago.
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  I said, honestly, I think the first event was probably my
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  baptism. I don't have a grid for when
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  that was because I was a little, you know, infant, but I believe
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  I did become a child of God at that point.
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  And there was a grace that is not something you can earn, but
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  something you receive. And so I, I believe the Lord
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  like no matter how far I ran from him, he's always pursued
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  me. It's just, it's so evident
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  people that have read the book, they're like, wow, you really
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  ran. But he ran faster, like, and you
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  know, and so just that pursuit. But something that always stands
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  out to me was when I turned, I think I was like 23 and I was
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  selling real estate and just super successful dating this one
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  guy. He was a football player and so
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  kind of had all the outside things together.
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  But I just remember there was a point when he told me that he
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  loved me and I was struggling with my own sexuality.
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  So already that was hard. I really liked the guy.
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  I thought I knew he was a great guy, but now he's telling me he
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  loves me. He didn't care about all the
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  material stuff that I had and the success in real estate.
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  So I'm like, what does this man love?
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  And it just kind of set me on this journey of like, OK, why am
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  what? What's lovable in me?
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  And when I asked him why he loved me, he's like, you
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  actually need to ask God because I love your heart and I'm like,
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  what's my heart? And he's like, ask God.
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  And so that night I laid on my bed by myself and I'm like, God,
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  show me my heart. And the details are in the book.
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  But God revealed the desire that actually, I, I don't know if it
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  got buried, got kind of stolen covered.
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  I don't know, but it was to go to Africa.
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  And so that was massively profound, not only the
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  revelation of asking God, then hearing a response and being
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  like, Oh, you really do kind of like respond.
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  You talk back like and so I ended up moving to Ethiopia.
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  It was just amazing. So God events that that brought
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  me there and LED me there, but that was profound in my journey
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  with God and really a journey into my own heart.
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  It started knocking down a lot of false things that I believed
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  about myself, you know, that I had to be, you know, make a
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  certain amount of money growing up in, you know, San Diego and
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  just kind of an image thing. And being in Ethiopia, I'm like,
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  my goodness, these kids have nothing, but they have so much
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  more than I do. Like I wanted what they had, and
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  yet the world said they had nothing.
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  And so it just started getting to deeper levels of my heart.
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  And I don't know, the Lord just moved in ways that only he can.
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  And I realize I'm like, wait a minute, I'm going to go back to
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  California and just make a bunch of money while these kids are
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  like suffering. I was like, I could probably do
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  something here. And so I sold my house, sold my
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  car, everything I had moved to Ethiopia.
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  And that was transformational. That was like a yes, I think
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  Mother Teresa says like the call within a call, right?
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  And so there's been a lot of different calls.
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  So that was impactful for sure. And it's been 17 years.
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  Ended up starting a nonprofit, had no grid for that, had no
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  desire for that. All he'd wanted to do was help
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  these kids that didn't have help.
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  There were little, little kids on the street, and God help me
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  to build something. That's where Unforgotten Faces
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  started. But I was still struggling with
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  my identity. I was still struggling with, I
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  would say, desires. When I would come back to the
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  States after living in Ethiopia to visit family, I remember
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  people would be like, oh, you're the missionary.
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  I'm like, no, no, like, I do missions, but no.
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  And so it was still like, I didn't know who I was, didn't
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  know the whole child of God thing.
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  Like, I'd heard that growing up. But I'm like, yeah, I got to
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  really do good to, like, keep that title.
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  And that's just too much. And I know I can't.
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  I honestly, I'll fail every time.
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  And so just this journey, but started dating women and
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  whatnot. And the book unpacks all the
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  details of that as well. And there was a lot of wrestles
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  there. There was a lot of hiding, a lot
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  of heartache, but it was October.
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  So there was the Ethiopia and then there was October 17th,
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  2014 that I will never forget. And is that is the night that I
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  said God, I am done being God. Like I'm messing my life up.
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  I'm messing other people's life up.
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  Like everything in my little wake, everybody's affected in a
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  negative way. And I got to experience my life
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  being a gift while I was in Ethiopia.
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  So I'm like, you didn't put me on this earth to like 'cause so
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  much turmoil and and hurt to myself and to others.
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  And so it was that night that I said, God you, I've, I've heard
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  you're good. I need you to show me like for
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  real, just tonight, whenever, but do it quick, like show me
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  that you're be you're better at being God that I am.
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  And and you know, I was in real estate.
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  So I was like, and I'm going to go on lease to own.
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  I'm like not all in yet. I'm like, but if you show me
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  that you are better at being God than I am, then you got me.
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  And I'm telling you Lila, every day since October 17th, 2014, he
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  has showed his faithfulness. Everything is one of the most
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  profound. I, I kind of consider that day
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  my birthday and it may be a strange way to to some, but it
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  is He marked me. I believe he marked me.
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  Or maybe I was willing to be marked finally.
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  And so Ethiopia was a marking October 17th, a marking and and
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  he's continued. I mean, my my side of the
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  journey has not been the most faithful, but his has and so and
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  then now leading me into another real profound one was called
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  into. I felt called into the
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  International House of Prayer in Atlanta to do an internship.
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  And that's where I really started learning about identity
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  as a beloved daughter and and really getting away from the
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  earnings, driving deserving and to rest in the finished work of
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  the cross, which now, of course involves our cooperation with
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  grace. It's not just like cool, just do
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  nothing now, like no, it's a love that stirs that you want to
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  give back. So those three things were
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  massively there's. So there's so much in between,
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  but those really had profound effect on my mind, on my heart,
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  sevenweekscoffee.com. So you're at this rock bottom.
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  It's October 2014. You say God, I'm giving you your
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  moment to be God for me. I'm not going to be God, but you
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  got to do this for me. It's like you had this openness
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  because I'm sure life wasn't easy after that.
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  No, it maybe was harder in some ways.
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  It was, you know, there was a grace, to be honest, that I had
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  never experienced. Like those things were hard.
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  It was almost like the things that I was diving into in the
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  world just kind of started to lose their flavor.
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  And but it wasn't just like God was pulling me out of something.
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  He was drawing me into himself. And so though, yes, it was, it
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  was hard. I mean, I cried.
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  There's so much happening. And I just literally put it all
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  out in the book. Like I didn't hide because I was
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  like, people need to read this because they're probably going
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  to go through it. And and if we just make it sound
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  like it's all rainbows and lollipops, when you say, you
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  know, Jesus be Lord of my life, it's just, it's not true.
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  There's going to be challenges. But, you know, through it all,
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  there was always a grace. There was always a grace.
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  So even in my weakest moments, when I'm face down in my ground,
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  you know, on the floor weeping and just saying, I don't want to
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  do this, you know, I get up and I'm like, yes, I do.
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  Like there was just a, you know, but there was the realness.
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  It was raw. It was unfiltered, you know,
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  with the Lord. And so I was just very, very
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  honest with him on the struggles and where I needed him to be
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  Lord. Like I'm not strong enough to
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  not go back to old ways. So you've got to show me that
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  there's something better. And every time I prayed that he
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  brought himself in a different way.
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  And so I did taste something that was better.
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  It's almost like totally different, you know, But just
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  for kind of to be able to relate is like when you stop maybe
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  eating like not healthy stuff, but when you've replaced it with
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  something healthy, you know it's good for you.
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  But there's also it tastes good. It's much easier to let go of
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  what's not so good when you've got something better.
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  And that that's what he's continued to do is he's
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  continued to show me, but I have to trust him.
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  Like there's a open handedness and he removes but then he
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  places, right? So yeah, not not easy at all,
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  but 100% worth it. So I remember in the book you I,
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  if I remember correctly, it was such a powerful book.
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  When I first read it was I think a year and a half ago or maybe
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  two years ago now. I was like, I remember thinking
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  I need to talk, I need to get to talk to Kim at some point.
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  So this is so great to meet you in person.
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  But I, if I remember correctly, there was this in your journey.
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  You are not wanting to identify say like I am lesbian.
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  That was something that you just, you know, maybe it was
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  your faith background or just you didn't buy that kind of
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  label stuff. Well, to explain that more,
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  because I, I think for folks listening and I'm we're going to
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  get to later on in the interview questions that people had
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  because they put out, Hey, I'm interviewing Kim again and got a
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  ton of people with their questions about what many
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  things. But what does it mean for
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  someone who recognizes at this instinctual level, OK, this is
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  not my identity, like being LGBT versus those that really do, and
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  the differences maybe in how they can come out of that and
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  find true freedom in their identity as a son or daughter of
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  God? Yeah.
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  Does that question make sense? Oh.
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  For sure. Yeah.
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  So I think too, remembering that I grew up in church, I grew up
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  hearing about God, right. And so and I remember, like I
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  said, and and people might think I'm crazy, but it's OK.
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  I'm used to that. And it's thank God they don't
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  define me. But like I said when I was
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  baptized, I believe there's been a grace over my life to not
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  receive what is not true. OK.
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  And so like. That's a gift.
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  You didn't believe the lie? Yeah, even though you might be
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  tempted to still kind of live not in the truth.
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  Even though everything in my life showed me otherwise, there
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  was something deep down which I I'm not going to take credit for
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  now. We can respond to it or not.
• 19:05
  And most of my life I didn't respond to it right, But when I
• 19:08
  did, my goodness. So I think for me when, when
• 19:13
  that grace is present and I knew, so yes, I was dating
• 19:17
  women. I, I did know that it was wrong.
• 19:20
  That didn't mean I liked the truth.
• 19:22
  But ultimately, like I always knew I had priests.
• 19:25
  I had a Catholic counselor that was telling me it's OK.
• 19:28
  But deep, deep down, and it wasn't like, oh man, it's
• 19:32
  because gay has a negative connotation.
• 19:34
  I didn't, as I just said, I didn't receive the title
• 19:37
  missionary. And in Christian circles, that's
• 19:39
  like, that could be a badge of honor.
• 19:41
  But even then I was like, no, that's just not who I am.
• 19:44
  It's yes, it's what I'm doing. And so for me, when people
• 19:47
  started calling me gay, I'm like, no, I really am dating
• 19:50
  women. I'm not going to pretend like
• 19:51
  I'm not. But it's not who I am.
• 19:53
  Just like, I'm not a missionary. And so I believe it was grace,
• 19:57
  but I also believe I was raised up to know what was true, right?
• 20:01
  And so when you do know truth, even when something looks
• 20:04
  appealing and you even want to receive it, you know it.
• 20:07
  It's just hard when you know different.
• 20:09
  You know, you, you and, and my family wasn't the type that like
• 20:12
  pushed me out when I was in the lifestyle.
• 20:15
  They did not ever celebrate what God himself didn't celebrate.
• 20:19
  But they never, I was not outcasted.
• 20:21
  I was not, you know, and so it wasn't like, oh, it's just the
• 20:24
  pressure of the family. I'm like, my family told me a
• 20:26
  lot of things that I didn't do, you know what I mean?
• 20:29
  And so this was not just this like just I got to be obedient.
• 20:32
  I mean, if you read the book, there's not a lot of of
• 20:35
  obedience in that, but I, I really think for people who you,
• 20:41
  what is truth? I mean, we're like today
• 20:44
  everybody says, oh, truth is whatever you kind of want it to
• 20:47
  be. That's not true.
• 20:49
  Like it might sound good, but I lived that way and my life was a
• 20:53
  mess when there was no real truths like rooted, grounded,
• 20:57
  not just what I want, what I feel or what other people want
• 21:00
  or feel. There's no grounding.
• 21:03
  Like we weren't created by God to be God, you know, and I
• 21:06
  ultimately just always kind of knew that though I wanted to try
• 21:10
  it out and I tried it out for sure.
• 21:12
  So my thing that people would be like, hey, do you want to hear?
• 21:15
  Like could you possibly imagine? See, because so many people are
• 21:18
  like, well, I just don't want to follow all those rules.
• 21:21
  That just sounds, it sounds like it's man made just so man can
• 21:24
  control you. And I'm like, OK, why would I
• 21:27
  freely choose that when I was in the lifestyle, doing whatever I
• 21:31
  wanted, still loved by my family, still loved by my
• 21:33
  friends, loved probably by the community even and more, right,
• 21:37
  like celebrating it. Why would I choose this other?
• 21:41
  Like there's a real experience there.
• 21:43
  And that's where some people are like, I'm surprised you don't
• 21:46
  get beat up when you do interviews.
• 21:47
  I'm like, I'm sharing my life. I'm sharing my experience.
• 21:50
  I'm not telling you you have to do it.
• 21:51
  But hey, I mean, how many times have you went and seen a movie
• 21:54
  and you're like, you call everybody, you know, you sound
• 21:57
  up blast, you know, on social media and you're like, go see
• 21:59
  this movie. That's all I'm doing.
• 22:01
  I'm like, there's something else out there.
• 22:04
  Y'all are you? Do you want to try it?
• 22:06
  Do you want to see a loving, tender, merciful father that's
• 22:09
  got good plans for you? Right?
• 22:12
  And, and I just don't know how much he's presented that way.
• 22:15
  So I think that's why a lot of people are like, this is good,
• 22:17
  this is stable, this is unchanging.
• 22:19
  And it's sad because even in the LGBT community, you know, you
• 22:23
  can say it's unchanging, but I know many people take God out of
• 22:27
  the equation. These aren't Christian people
• 22:30
  that ended up no longer having same sex desires.
• 22:34
  In the LGBT in the. LGBT so so who are you now?
• 22:38
  Like in a world that's constantly changing, we are
• 22:41
  seeking something that is consistent, something that is
• 22:44
  unchanging. And we know that the word of God
• 22:46
  says he is, he is, he was, and he always will be.
• 22:50
  He is the unchanging we're actually seeking.
• 22:52
  It really is. And then when we now our
• 22:54
  identities are tied to him, guess what?
• 22:56
  Now our identity is unchanging, but I just don't know how good
• 22:59
  of a job. I mean, I didn't remember that
• 23:01
  growing up, you know? And so I grabbed for what I
• 23:04
  could to feel confident, to feel wanted, to feel seen, to feel
• 23:10
  like someone. What do you what do you say to
• 23:13
  people like the counselor that you had, the Catholic counselor
• 23:16
  who is saying to you, no, God is accepting of being in the LGBT
• 23:21
  lifestyle and it's OK, It's all OK.
• 23:24
  And unfortunately just be monogamous.
• 23:25
  And even like, I think it was Saddleback Church here, you
• 23:28
  know, so it's not just, you know, this confusion in some
• 23:31
  Catholic circles, although the Catholic teaching is very clear.
• 23:33
  But I think there's also confusion certainly in the
• 23:35
  evangelical world. I know Saddleback here.
• 23:37
  There was a viral clip of a pastor and his wife saying,
• 23:40
  trying to give advice, I think a lesbian or a gay couple and
• 23:43
  saying, well, I don't know, would we tell you to divorce
• 23:46
  because the God hates divorce, you know, so, so I think there's
• 23:49
  confusion everywhere and like that.
• 23:52
  That's what happens when we become God.
• 23:53
  That's what happens when we become God.
• 23:55
  And so like that Catholic counselor that you mentioned,
• 23:58
  what's the message to people who say I am following God, I am
• 24:03
  seeking God sincerely, but I'm still justifying the LGBT
• 24:07
  lifestyle and identity. Well, I think sometimes we look,
• 24:12
  we've been given reason, like logic and feelings and desires.
• 24:17
  And I think sometimes we try to just stay in one of those lanes
• 24:20
  instead of realize that there God actually created us to to
• 24:24
  not ignore either. And I just feel like sometimes
• 24:26
  we just ignore logic, right? And so for me, when I went in
• 24:30
  and I was seeking help, I was like, OK, I don't want to just
• 24:33
  go to anyone. I want to go to a Catholic
• 24:35
  because I knew the teachings of the church.
• 24:37
  So I'm like, but I want someone to walk this out with me, right?
• 24:40
  Like help me, you know, so I hired this counselor.
• 24:43
  And so for me, when when he started to kind of affirm a gay
• 24:46
  identity and like, well, you know, just being monogamous and
• 24:49
  this that I'm like, hold on a minute.
• 24:52
  I came in for truth, right? And I want you to deal with my
• 24:56
  feelings and desires, but like, don't throw either one of those
• 24:59
  out. And I felt like he was throwing
• 25:01
  out truth because I was seeking someone who was rooted in the
• 25:05
  Catholic teachings, which are rooted in the Bible at right.
• 25:09
  And so for me, I, I just couldn't.
• 25:11
  And he's like, well, you don't really understand the
• 25:13
  scriptures. And I was like, OK, so I'm just
• 25:15
  going to invite logic in for a second.
• 25:17
  So you're telling me, and mind you, I'm 18 years old at the
• 25:19
  time to a, you know, a counselor who's got every degree on the
• 25:23
  wall. And I'm like, so you're telling
• 25:25
  me that I don't understand the scriptures in the only place
• 25:30
  that I struggle. So I struggle with homosexuality
• 25:33
  and the scriptures make tons of sense except for there I was
• 25:37
  like, or are you saying I'm not going to understand scripture at
• 25:40
  all because he's saying, you know, homosexuality is not what
• 25:42
  it was then when they were writing about it to what it is
• 25:45
  now. And I'm like, but God's word
• 25:47
  says that he was, is and always will be that his word will stay
• 25:50
  firm. So I'm like, if that's wrong,
• 25:53
  then what else? So you're like just pulling at
• 25:55
  threads here. So you're going to stand firm on
• 25:58
  this in whatever scripture being true.
• 26:02
  But the one that I struggle with, that one's where it's Gray
• 26:04
  and like, you're OK. I was like, that sounds amazing
• 26:07
  to my feelings and desires, but it sounds a little too
• 26:10
  convenient. And my logic won't allow me to
• 26:12
  receive that because if it's either all true or it's all not.
• 26:17
  So if I'm going to really live my life by this, I'm all in or
• 26:20
  I'm all out. Like, let's just be real.
• 26:22
  I don't think this is a buffet and just, you know, do this.
• 26:25
  And so he, there's not really much you can say.
• 26:28
  Later. Come to find out, his sister was
• 26:31
  in a union with another woman. And so I have a feeling that if
• 26:35
  he was going to share that truth with me, he would have to bring
• 26:39
  that to the dinner table around his family.
• 26:41
  I don't know for sure, but I found that out later.
• 26:43
  I thought he was probably wrestling with that, you know,
• 26:46
  on a personal level. So which doesn't make it OK, but
• 26:50
  because truth, if truth is going to be truth, it applies whether
• 26:52
  I'm talking to you, whether I'm at a university that is non
• 26:56
  Christian, whether I'm at the gas station.
• 26:58
  And I love that. I love that I don't have to
• 27:01
  create truth. I just choose to agree to it and
• 27:05
  humble myself and say, God, you do know more than I do.
• 27:08
  I mean, I it's like creation telling the creator I'm smarter
• 27:14
  than you. I mean, that's just not logical
• 27:17
  to me. And maybe maybe I'm not that
• 27:19
  smart, but you know, I if my. Actually smart, that's why.
• 27:23
  Yeah, but like my toaster, if my toaster is like, Nah, that I
• 27:26
  know what to do. No, you don't.
• 27:28
  You were created just just bowing humility to the one that
• 27:32
  loves you and created you out of that love.
• 27:34
  And I'm telling you, it would be so much easier if we do that.
• 27:36
  It takes a lot of surrender to say, OK, I'm not in, I'm not in
• 27:42
  control, I'm not in charge. Do you think that the fear of
• 27:45
  surrender is actually what sort of letting people kind of self
• 27:49
  deceive a little bit? And I think self deception,
• 27:51
  obviously today doesn't just exist on sexuality issues.
• 27:55
  It exists on everything, you know, everything regarding
• 27:59
  marriage to like, OK, rationalizing, you know,
• 28:02
  divorce, you know, rationalizing, you know, any,
• 28:05
  any falling away from God, Our power to rationalize and self
• 28:09
  deceive. It scares me because I think
• 28:11
  about that. I'm like, I have the same power
• 28:13
  as anyone else for self deception.
• 28:15
  So we all have this power to just trick ourselves into
• 28:18
  thinking that we are not just that we are God, but sometimes
• 28:21
  even that God approves of this way or how I'm living.
• 28:24
  I think deep, deep down there is a lack of peace in that.
• 28:28
  But people can cover that up with the noise of the.
• 28:30
  World. And then you rally people around
• 28:34
  you that agree, right? Some of my favorite
• 28:36
  conversations, I love this, right?
• 28:38
  Because we we agree to what is true.
• 28:41
  But I actually love the conversations where someone
• 28:43
  doesn't agree with what I believe is true, right, Because
• 28:46
  those are times is I just don't want to hear an echo of my own
• 28:50
  thing, right? Of what what I root and ground
• 28:52
  my life in which is is Jesus, right?
• 28:56
  And so I love those conversations that aren't.
• 28:58
  But I think a lot of times we do drown ourselves out.
• 29:00
  I think that's why the LGBT community is so tight too,
• 29:04
  right? Because if we just surround
• 29:06
  ourselves with everybody that agrees with us, we don't have to
• 29:08
  actually hear that still small voice that I believe everyone
• 29:12
  hears. There's no one that was not
• 29:14
  created by God. There's just not, there's no one
• 29:16
  that's not created. And so his, his voice resounds.
• 29:19
  They may not know whose it is. They may not know what's going
• 29:22
  on, but there's something because he loves them because he
• 29:25
  loves them and love doesn't give up.
• 29:28
  It's not going to give up. And so we drown it out, whether
• 29:31
  it's alcohol, whether it's drugs, whether it's just
• 29:33
  surround myself with everybody that just agrees.
• 29:35
  But deep down, and and I'll speak from my own experience,
• 29:38
  deep down inside, no matter how how much I did all of that,
• 29:41
  which I've done that voice when I lay in bed at night, I
• 29:46
  couldn't, couldn't stop. And it wasn't condemning me.
• 29:49
  It was calling me. It was beckoning me, but I just
• 29:51
  didn't want to listen. I didn't want to give up.
• 29:54
  And it was fear. You nailed it.
• 29:56
  It was fear. What's my life going to be like?
• 29:58
  I don't want to be Mother Teresa.
• 30:00
  I don't want to be this single person.
• 30:02
  She is great. But like, you know, when you're
• 30:06
  19 and even now I'm like, you know, and so in that, but, but I
• 30:09
  think that's The thing is like fear.
• 30:12
  But the Scripture says that perfect love casts out fear.
• 30:15
  See, so I think part of what we're missing here is people
• 30:19
  experiencing God's perfect love. It says that that's what casts
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  out fear. So fear of right, if I'm not in
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  Download Public Square today. So there are, there have been
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  people in my life over the years and some of them I've tried, you
• 31:07
  know, who've been involved in LGBT stuff or whatever.
• 31:10
  And one in particular I'm thinking of, you know, we, we've
• 31:12
  had these conversations about it and I tried, you know, to be
• 31:16
  like that loving, accepting friend that's not accepting
• 31:20
  necessarily of these choices they're making.
• 31:23
  But I discovered that at certain point there was kind of a
• 31:26
  doubling down with my friends. And at a certain point, it's
• 31:29
  like they didn't even want to engage anymore because it's like
• 31:33
  they're like, you can go talk to this other person if you want
• 31:35
  to, but I don't really want to just talk about this.
• 31:38
  And it's like, well, can I improve how I talk about it and,
• 31:40
  you know, change this? But at the end of the day, it
• 31:42
  was just like, I don't want to hear it anymore.
• 31:45
  What's been your experience? Have you come across that?
• 31:48
  What do you do if you come across that, especially for
• 31:50
  people listening? I mean, maybe you just love and
• 31:53
  pray and there's not much much you can do beyond that.
• 31:56
  I think a lot of times when, and you know, I can't speak for
• 31:58
  everyone, but what in my experience, when somebody is
• 32:01
  just kind of done, I feel like sometimes they just feel
• 32:04
  threatened, the very thing that they're holding on to and is
• 32:08
  precious to them and maybe defining them you're trying to
• 32:10
  take away. And so that's why for me, I feel
• 32:13
  like it's instead of like, Hey, I want to, I want to take this
• 32:16
  from you. I'm like, Hey, this is what I've
• 32:18
  experienced. And then like through their own.
• 32:21
  That's why I really try to stick with sharing my testimony,
• 32:24
  right, Not preaching at you, but like, Hey, here's what's
• 32:27
  happened with me and continuing to happen.
• 32:29
  And so and then some people, I mean, I have a family member
• 32:32
  that said until you stop sharing and spreading lies and hatred, I
• 32:38
  never want to hear from you. And this is this was a cousin of
• 32:40
  mine that I was actually the closest with growing.
• 32:42
  Recently. Oh yeah, wow.
• 32:44
  And said never. That's kind of what happened to
• 32:46
  me to some degree, because they're saying by you speaking
• 32:48
  out against the LGBT identity, you're attacking me.
• 32:53
  And I'm like, well, I love you. I'm not intending to attack you.
• 32:55
  And but it doesn't matter because this is what you're
• 32:57
  saying on social media. You know anything critical is an
• 33:00
  attack. Anything that's not in line with
• 33:03
  what they're living and if you're not supporting it and in
• 33:06
  any way speaking against it and and I could understand that and
• 33:09
  I I'm going to choose to honor what she's asking.
• 33:12
  And that was so hard to send a reply back to my cousin who I do
• 33:16
  love. She may not believe that, but I
• 33:18
  do love her. I mean, she was my best friend
• 33:21
  growing up when we were little, all of that.
• 33:22
  And so for me, I, I pray knew we were just doing an intercession
• 33:28
  set at International House of Prayer the other night and I was
• 33:30
  on my face crying for her. Like, Lord, just just show her
• 33:36
  how much you love her, you know, because I think she's just
• 33:38
  completely distanced herself from God.
• 33:40
  And you know, because God means I've got to change.
• 33:44
  If I'm with God, God means he doesn't like me the way I am.
• 33:47
  If I'm with this God you're talking about, right.
• 33:49
  And so it's, it's threat after threat after threat.
• 33:51
  And so I just was praying and I'm like, Lord, and it doesn't
• 33:54
  have to be me. But can you show up in her life
• 33:58
  like through someone else, that someone that she's willing to
• 34:01
  hear it from? Not so that she won't be gay.
• 34:04
  It's not about this. It's that she'll encounter the
• 34:06
  one that she was created for, that she will actually like.
• 34:09
  The scriptures say it like return to your first love.
• 34:13
  He is our first love. But so many of us don't know
• 34:15
  that. We haven't experienced that.
• 34:17
  And and so to me, I think you get to a place when someone cuts
• 34:20
  you out, you honor it and you pray.
• 34:23
  Nobody can ever stop you from praying.
• 34:25
  You don't need to voice memo them all your prayers like trust
• 34:29
  God. Don't do that, actually.
• 34:30
  Don't do that if. They're asking for first space.
• 34:33
  Yeah, just honor that, you know, and and think about your own
• 34:36
  situation, like if somebody came to you and was like, hey, you're
• 34:38
  not supposed to be married, you know, like the person that you
• 34:42
  love and have want a family with or have a family with, you're
• 34:45
  not supposed to love them. And so like they voice memo you
• 34:47
  all the time about how you'd be like, just please stop, Please
• 34:51
  stop. Or maybe you'd freak out on him.
• 34:53
  I probably would, you know. And so we just have to honor
• 34:56
  where people are AT and then just really trust that God's
• 34:59
  going to do what he's going to do.
• 35:00
  And you just pray and like Lord, and it's not.
• 35:03
  I think that's where we get to is we always want to draw
• 35:06
  someone out of something. But I just wonder if we actually
• 35:09
  just maybe more shared what you could be drawn into.
• 35:13
  They'll walk out of something. Does that make sense?
• 35:16
  Like if something's more appealing and, and we can't do
• 35:19
  that, it's Holy Spirit that convicts.
• 35:21
  We're not meant to convict people.
• 35:22
  We are meant to share truth. We are not meant to back down.
• 35:26
  So I'm not saying just, oh, whatever you do, but be honest.
• 35:29
  But when they say stop, just stop.
• 35:32
  You said something really interesting earlier, which is,
• 35:34
  you know, they have to see something better, You have to
• 35:36
  show something better. And the only way to ultimately
• 35:39
  authentically show something better is to be receiving it
• 35:41
  yourself from God. Amen.
• 35:43
  You can't give what? You don't have of it yourself.
• 35:46
  And that takes a tremendous amount of trust and surrender.
• 35:49
  Because what you also said earlier, which I thought was
• 35:51
  such a such a great point, is like, there's a fear of holiness
• 35:55
  as we might perceive it, like the Mother Teresa, Holiness the
• 35:58
  martyr. Holy.
• 35:59
  Yeah. I was reading about, I know I
• 36:01
  was reading about the the Uma family from Poland.
• 36:04
  I don't know if you saw this come out a few days ago, but
• 36:06
  this whole family, you know, including the children murdered
• 36:09
  by the Nazis for housing Jews, this Catholic family in Poland,
• 36:13
  and now they're all being beatified, including the unborn
• 36:15
  baby who was killed. So it's like an incredibly
• 36:17
  powerful story, but it's also like, would I have the courage,
• 36:20
  would I have the courage to endanger my family to house
• 36:23
  those that are being attacked, endangering the lives of my own,
• 36:27
  but they are being beatified for it was like, do I even have the
• 36:29
  courage to even get close to that kind of that kind of love?
• 36:33
  And for what reason? And for what reason?
• 36:35
  See, because just to die, to die, not to die for the one who
• 36:39
  died for you, who you've experienced and encountered his
• 36:42
  love and you'll do anything. Think about your own husband.
• 36:46
  When you've received love, the instant is to give it back like
• 36:50
  a pure love, right? And so even for me, I'm like,
• 36:54
  that's why I'm like, I don't want to be a Mother Teresa.
• 36:57
  I've got to work for this guy, this guy being God, right?
• 37:00
  Like now I'm going to put on this clothes the same thing
• 37:03
  every day and just work for him every day.
• 37:05
  Like, Nah, I'm good, right? And so, and I was raised in the
• 37:08
  church. Imagine those who weren't how
• 37:10
  they, you know, the perception of God.
• 37:12
  And it's no new thing that Satan's doing.
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  He did it in the garden. He's doing it now, right?
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  Just twist the goodness of God. Just make him look like he's not
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  good so that people won't be with him.
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  And so it's the same same schemes he's doing now.
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  And so to me, it's like, gosh, we have so much fear to let go
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  because we don't know the one who's asking us to hand it over.
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  We don't really know him. And I know I talk a lot about
• 37:34
  that, but it's like foundational.
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  It really is. It's relationship.
• 37:39
  It's relationship. It's not a dead just set of
• 37:42
  rules. It's relational.
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  And so if all they know is rules and I'm not allowed to be gay or
• 37:46
  I'm not allowed to do this or I'm not allowed to do that,
• 37:49
  that's why I said just hold before them.
• 37:50
  Beauty. I remember even with my mom when
• 37:53
  I was trying to help her eat healthy, right?
• 37:55
  She's like, no, you're not going to take the brownies from me.
• 37:56
  I'm like, no, no, mom, I'm not trying to take anything.
• 37:58
  Look what I have for you. And I gave her something else
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  and she's like, whoa, that's good.
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  Guess what? She was full.
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  So she didn't eat the other thing.
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  And then she wanted more of that.
• 38:07
  And so I think it's really, instead of just taking something
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  from someone holding before them what God is offering.
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  How can we help people encounter the sweetness of God?
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  Be it, I mean be it, right, he says.
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  Taste and see that I am good. How can we be the sweetness of
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  God? Get with him, get with him, be
• 38:28
  in his presence. You learn the heart of God.
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  Let's not, and I'm not saying now all the rules go out the
• 38:34
  window, but learn the heartbeat before you learn the words.
• 38:38
  Learn his heartbeat. Rest on his chest, John the
• 38:41
  Beloved, right? He rested on Jesus chest not
• 38:45
  because he was homosexual. No, there was an intimacy there.
• 38:48
  There was a closeness there. He heard the beat of his heart
• 38:52
  and then he could be the beat of his heart.
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  He was not arrogant. He didn't say I'm the beloved.
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  He knew he was loved. We have to know that we are
• 39:00
  loved to be able to tell people how loved they are.
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  But there's something that's required for what you're saying
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  that it's a very basic thing. It's what you did on that day in
• 39:08
  October of 2014, which is that you let him in.
• 39:13
  You gave him, you gave him a minute, a moment, because if
• 39:16
  we're so noisy and so distracted and so busy and so we're, we're
• 39:20
  running basically, but, and that's, that's prayer.
• 39:23
  That's prayer. People think about prayer.
• 39:24
  OK, I'm going to sit down and have this like big formal prayer
• 39:26
  moment. It's like no prayer can be a
• 39:28
  moment in the car, your worst breakdown saying God, if you're
• 39:31
  out there, hear me, be with me now, or it can be anywhere.
• 39:34
  Whatever you're doing in your life, you know, it can be as you
• 39:36
  fall asleep. But prayer is that moment of
• 39:38
  yes, God, I'm here, I am. Yeah, and being real.
• 39:42
  Being real. See, that prayer that I prayed
• 39:44
  was real. God, I I can't give up what I'm
• 39:49
  doing unless you show me something better.
• 39:51
  See. But I think in order to do that,
• 39:53
  we have to be willing. I saw what my idols were to
• 39:55
  whatever degree I could. And I said these things are not
• 39:59
  really working anymore, but they're better than nothing.
• 40:01
  So can you show me that you're better?
• 40:03
  And so I think whatever we're at, it's this is not just LGBTQ,
• 40:07
  right? There's idols within marriage,
• 40:09
  Christian heterosexual marriage. And within ministry, within
• 40:12
  ministry, because your idol can be your ministry, absolutely it
• 40:15
  can your idol can be something very good a job usually even
• 40:19
  your own kids. Look at Abraham and Isaac.
• 40:22
  We just talked to a parent last week and she was a train wreck.
• 40:27
  And I mean that with a heart that hurts for her because her
• 40:31
  son came out and he said, mom, I'm I'm gay.
• 40:34
  Her rock solid faith crumbled. She didn't even want to pray.
• 40:39
  She said she was staring at the wall.
• 40:41
  She would come home and just stare at the wall.
• 40:43
  She said, I I don't even want to do my devotional.
• 40:44
  I don't want anything. And actually it was a friend of
• 40:47
  mine that was like, it might sound like God's revealing an
• 40:50
  idol in your life, the very Son he blessed you with.
• 40:54
  You've lifted above God if you can't even pray for him.
• 40:56
  And that was not in condemnation or shame, but I just think we've
• 41:01
  like when I'm in Ethiopia, I see radical faith because they don't
• 41:04
  have anything else, right? When you don't know where your
• 41:07
  next meal is coming from, you don't have a 4O1K to dip into,
• 41:12
  you don't have an insurance plan, and your kid just hurt
• 41:15
  themselves or is coughed for a month, right?
• 41:17
  Like you rely on God. I think there's so many things
• 41:21
  we rely on and we thank God for it, right?
• 41:24
  We're like, thank you God for this, thank you God for that.
• 41:26
  Amen to that. But I'm talking like October
• 41:29
  17th, 2014. I needed God.
• 41:31
  I didn't just want him, I needed him.
• 41:34
  Everything I had gone to was breaking right If they call it
• 41:37
  rock bottom, whatever it be. So like are we at the bottom of
• 41:41
  ourselves yet? And, and I say that I'm still
• 41:44
  discovering the bottom of myself.
• 41:46
  I I need Jesus just as much as I did on October 17th, 2014.
• 41:50
  I need him just as much today to not become self-righteous,
• 41:54
  arrogant, prideful, thinking I know better, thinking that my
• 41:58
  story is everybody's story. Me, me, me right, pride, the
• 42:02
  beginning of the fall. And so in that, like, are we
• 42:05
  desperate for him or have we allowed these things to kind of
• 42:09
  just comatose, right? We're just kind of going along
• 42:12
  and we pray the prayers and and the prayers are good, but I'm
• 42:15
  talking about a real need for him.
• 42:18
  And I know that I need him because I, you know, people will
• 42:21
  ask. So like, you know, Paul and his
• 42:22
  affliction, you know, take this from me, God.
• 42:25
  And what was God's response? My grace is sufficient.
• 42:29
  Do we count on God? See, I don't date women anymore,
• 42:33
  not because I'm, I would go to hell, right?
• 42:35
  If I continue to, it's not out of the fear of hell.
• 42:38
  Hell is real. But I'm not dating women because
• 42:40
  I've experienced the love that's greater and I've experienced the
• 42:43
  strength from him, not from myself.
• 42:46
  I tried to do it in my own strength before.
• 42:49
  So like when we realize, my goodness, everything I need help
• 42:52
  with is found in him, he's going to become the source.
• 42:56
  And so we could go on for a long time about that and I'll stop
• 42:59
  there, but I just don't know how desperate we are anymore.
• 43:02
  It's so, so beautifully, said Kim.
• 43:05
  And that and it's a reminder for me and it's like anybody can do
• 43:09
  it. That moment of rawness.
• 43:10
  If you're struggling to pray, you're struggling with anything.
• 43:12
  I'm just saying here I am. Lord help me Jesus, I trust in
• 43:16
  you. Jesus help.
• 43:18
  Me. I mean, I can't do it I.
• 43:20
  Can't do it, Jesus. And you just.
• 43:21
  Oh, and then it's amazing how life changes now.
• 43:25
  It doesn't look or feel the way that maybe we think it's going
• 43:29
  to look or feel, but it leads ultimately to the peace that
• 43:32
  only can only come from God. It's like peace that brings that
• 43:36
  It can bring joy, the real joy. Absolutely.
• 43:39
  And I think that's where also, like you said, how do we bring
• 43:43
  Jesus? Are we miserable?
• 43:46
  Right? Because like if your life is
• 43:47
  miserable, I probably don't want what you have when you live a
• 43:51
  life of joy now, joy even in suffering, joy even in pain in
• 43:55
  trial, I'm talking about your joy is, and this is something
• 43:58
  I'm praying for. I'm like God, that scripture
• 44:01
  that says the joy is in my salvation, that's not on this
• 44:05
  earth right here. So may my joy be rooted in
• 44:09
  eternity with you. That's the martyr's joy, which
• 44:12
  is so. And I'm praying for it.
• 44:13
  I don't have it. Yeah, but.
• 44:15
  But ask him, he says. Ask.
• 44:17
  You'll receive seek. You'll find.
• 44:19
  He doesn't make it hard. But Satan just gets in there.
• 44:22
  And God doesn't really want to do that.
• 44:24
  God's not for you. He's against you.
• 44:26
  It's twisting of Scripture. So tell me about Rainbow
• 44:29
  Revival. Yeah, you are doing this very
• 44:33
  special thing with Freedom Marches.
• 44:35
  You've done one in Lai. Think there's going to be 1 in
• 44:37
  Dallas soon? October 21st.
• 44:39
  What is Rainbow Revival? What is this movement that's
• 44:43
  really growing? It's growing.
• 44:45
  Yeah. The Lord.
• 44:47
  It is a group of people, myself being one of them, that have
• 44:51
  come out of the LGBT community and into a surrendered life in
• 44:56
  Christ. This is not out of the LGBT
• 44:58
  community to be mad at people or tell people they're wrong.
• 45:02
  It's a radical, laid down life for the Lord and it looks
• 45:05
  different. Some have gotten married right
• 45:07
  into heterosexual marriages and have children.
• 45:10
  Some of us feel a call to singleness for the sake of the
• 45:13
  Kingdom, but we go around and we, we just intercede as a
• 45:18
  board. We intercede and say, God, where
• 45:20
  do you want to go? Where do you want us to go and
• 45:23
  share? You know, you, you know very
• 45:25
  well pro-life marches, pro-life, you know, rallies and things
• 45:30
  like that. I'm like, my goodness, the
• 45:32
  founder was a dear friend of mine.
• 45:34
  She was like, and, and some other people were talking one
• 45:38
  day and the Lord just said, like, my goodness, people March
• 45:41
  for everything. Can you March for the freedom
• 45:43
  that I've given you and continue to show you, you know, this is a
• 45:46
  this is not a one and done. This is a continued journey with
• 45:49
  the Lord, right? It's a relationship.
• 45:51
  And so it's constantly going. So we go into different cities
• 45:54
  as the Lord leads us. We do praise and worship.
• 45:57
  We do testimonies woven in of all different stories.
• 46:00
  I mean radical, I mean people who were literally some have
• 46:04
  gone through the surgeries, through trans, you know,
• 46:07
  transitioning, transitioning surgeries and then detransition.
• 46:10
  Some did not even fully detransition, but they are heart
• 46:15
  has been like seared and then slowly but surely the exterior
• 46:19
  stuff changes. But God's concerned about the
• 46:20
  heart. So we have testimonies beyond
• 46:23
  that. You're literally, my mom went to
• 46:25
  one of the events and she's like, it is still one of the
• 46:27
  most profound experiences that I've had hearing these radical
• 46:32
  testimonies and seeing people literally like she, she
• 46:35
  described it is like seeing people like David dance before
• 46:38
  the Tabernacle just unfiltered, like unto the Lord, like have
• 46:42
  really encountered love. And so, yeah, we'll go in and we
• 46:45
  we share testimony, we worship, we have prayer tents set up that
• 46:49
  if people want to just connect, be prayed with, it's not about
• 46:53
  Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
• 46:56
  It's not a negative message. It's true, it's real.
• 46:59
  The word of God says that testimony is prophecy into
• 47:03
  someone else's life. And so it's free to March FM
• 47:07
  standing for like hear this like a dial on the radio FM AM.
• 47:12
  And so the kind of slogan for freedom March is hear the sound
• 47:15
  of freedom. And so just as testimony goes
• 47:18
  forth, as worship and praise goes forth, we've had, I've, I,
• 47:21
  we could do a whole podcast on just the stories of how people
• 47:24
  have drawn in. So we go to the public square.
• 47:27
  So we'll go in Dallas, we're going to be at Clyde Warren
• 47:29
  Park. We rent out the whole park.
• 47:30
  It's free for whoever wants to come.
• 47:32
  And we just have, it's a, it's a Jesus festival kind of thing,
• 47:37
  kind of like what happened with the Jesus revolution and with
• 47:41
  the hippies. We're starting to see that
• 47:43
  there's a prophetic word that has been, it was prophesied
• 47:47
  many, many years ago that there would be 100,000 plus coming out
• 47:51
  of the LGBT community into Christ.
• 47:54
  Not just out of, but into that they will be evangelists,
• 47:57
  preachers, teachers and so. Are you seeing that now?
• 48:00
  Absolutely. Well, we're seeing the first
• 48:02
  fruits of that in a, in a big way I I've seen before and it's
• 48:07
  beautiful. Like those who have gone before
• 48:09
  us and those who will come after us, right.
• 48:10
  It's not about 1 person about Jesus, the one person, but what
• 48:13
  he's doing. But I absolutely believe that we
• 48:16
  will see something like we have never seen.
• 48:18
  I believe that there are so many sons and daughters in the LGBT
• 48:22
  community that are going to radically, radically testify to
• 48:28
  the goodness of Jesus Christ, and they will be a big part of
• 48:30
  this huge, I believe, revival that is coming.
• 48:34
  So one of the things I've noticed about Rainbow Revival,
• 48:37
  well, it's easy to notice. It's called Rainbow Revival.
• 48:40
  And, you know, there's this very colorful, beautiful
• 48:43
  presentation. I mean, I think that's one of
• 48:46
  the maybe attractions of the way LGBTQ is branded today is that
• 48:50
  it's branded in rainbows and so much positivity and so much
• 48:53
  light. And, you know, now if you go to
• 48:55
  a, you know, a Pride parade, you're going to see some dark
• 48:58
  stuff, too. It's not like it's all that.
• 49:00
  But typically in media, that's how it's very inviting.
• 49:02
  Very inviting. Yeah.
• 49:03
  So what is? What are the differences?
• 49:06
  Yeah, so Rainbow. Between, you know, a a Freedom
• 49:08
  March and a Pride parade. Yeah, so rainbow revival, we do
• 49:11
  use the rainbow. We use the seven colored
• 49:14
  rainbow, not six. So the LGBT community will use
• 49:17
  six colors and we won't unpack all that, but we can kind of see
• 49:20
  what 6 sometimes symbolizes right in Scripture.
• 49:23
  So we what? Color was taken out I.
• 49:25
  Think it was indigo. I think it was indigo.
• 49:28
  And so we do joyfully and humbly, not pridefully, wave the
• 49:35
  flag, the seven colored flag, because it is.
• 49:37
  And that's actually our slogan of rainbow revival is Remember
• 49:40
  the Promise, because that ties to Genesis when when God
• 49:44
  stretched the bow across the sky and said, I will never flood the
• 49:46
  earth again. It was his covenant between his
• 49:49
  people, right? And we are his people because of
• 49:51
  what Jesus has done. We've been grafted in.
• 49:53
  And so in that it's remember the promise, prepare the way.
• 49:56
  And so the prepare the way is for the second coming of Christ.
• 49:59
  And people would be like, oh, you know, you've Jesus people.
• 50:02
  You think he's coming back, He's coming back and he's coming back
• 50:05
  for a bride. Are we ready?
• 50:07
  Are we love sick? Are we wanting him?
• 50:09
  Are we longing our hearts longing for the lover of our
• 50:13
  soul? And so Rainbow Revival, we stand
• 50:16
  in humility and we take pride in what Christ has done, but we are
• 50:20
  humbled because it wasn't in our doing.
• 50:23
  It's in our surrender to his love that is actually re
• 50:27
  rebirthed who we are, right? And so we stand and we want to
• 50:32
  invite others to that just to just to listen.
• 50:34
  Doesn't mean you have to do it. And I think that's thing you
• 50:36
  asked me earlier, like, do you get a lot of good kickback?
• 50:38
  Or do you know, people kind of tell you to be quiet?
• 50:41
  I just share my story if you want to listen.
• 50:43
  Amen. If you don't, there's like 1000
• 50:45
  other channels you can listen to.
• 50:47
  Nobody's forcing you to listen to this, right?
• 50:50
  And so in that, that's how we stand as Rainbow Revival.
• 50:52
  We're not going to go into your space and now start preaching.
• 50:55
  No, we're going to rent out. We're going to pay more money
• 50:59
  than we have. It's a nonprofit and we don't
• 51:01
  have money. None of us get paid, but we
• 51:03
  raise the money and we rent it out and whoever wants to come, I
• 51:07
  mean, we open it up. We don't hide what we're doing
• 51:10
  when we're doing it and so. Do you go to pride parades?
• 51:13
  Is that or have a booth or something just to raise
• 51:15
  awareness? Yeah, we might end up doing that
• 51:18
  because the same thing where people can come right and be
• 51:20
  prayed with and just be loved on, right.
• 51:22
  And and to see that from a Christian standpoint, I think is
• 51:26
  not sometimes as common. I personally haven't gone.
• 51:29
  I'm not opposed to it, but I want to be led to that too.
• 51:32
  I know a lot of my friends, one of the the founders, MJ Nixon,
• 51:36
  she used to go to the pride festivals and just pray for
• 51:39
  people, ask the Lord for prophetic words and and just to
• 51:42
  love on people with the love of Christ and always point back at
• 51:45
  him, right. So that it's seed.
• 51:47
  See, I think so many time we don't want it.
• 51:49
  We don't want to just throw seed.
• 51:51
  We want to see the fruit. We're like, no, we got it.
• 51:53
  If this has to happen right now, but we are we are meant to throw
• 51:56
  seed and and God grows it. And I think it's one of the
• 51:59
  scriptures, like some sow seeds, some get to water, and some get
• 52:02
  to see the harvest. Get to harvest, which is a cool
• 52:05
  job, but they're all they're all necessary.
• 52:07
  All necessary. What you said earlier was so
• 52:09
  interesting about just the like this.
• 52:11
  So it's like overt spiritual symbolism at play here.
• 52:15
  Even just between Rainbow Revival and the Pride movement.
• 52:19
  You know, you mentioned the flag on the Pride movement.
• 52:22
  They've removed one of the seven colors, so there's only 6 and
• 52:26
  the connotation of the number six.
• 52:28
  And then Rainbow Revival has the full flag.
• 52:31
  And being the fall of man. And six, being the fall of man
• 52:34
  and the flag represents God's promise to not destroy the world
• 52:37
  for its sin. And then, you know, the flood,
• 52:40
  Noah's flood. And then in addition, the word
• 52:42
  pride, you know, pride, the seven deadly sins.
• 52:45
  And pride cometh before the fall.
• 52:47
  But your messages have pride in the glory of God, not in your
• 52:51
  own. What do you think about all of
• 52:54
  that? Even obvious symbolism I feel I
• 52:57
  mean. Well, I we're in a spiritual
• 53:02
  battle and whether we want to admit it or not, it's like you
• 53:06
  can stand in the middle of a tornado and be like, I'm not in
• 53:08
  a tornado. You are, you know, and you're
• 53:11
  going to unfortunately find out about.
• 53:12
  To hit your head. Exactly.
• 53:14
  Like there goes the cow, you know what I mean?
• 53:15
  Like, so to me, we are in a spiritual battle.
• 53:19
  I know many people don't believe that.
• 53:21
  And I'm like, just look around, OK, Just look around at what's
• 53:24
  happening in the world. We are.
• 53:25
  And so to me, it just shows. And, and that's where I think we
• 53:28
  have to be careful because a lot of times we will now point the
• 53:32
  finger at the person and forget that what Scripture says, that
• 53:35
  this is a battle not between flesh and blood, but between
• 53:39
  spirit and principality, right? And so we have to remember the
• 53:43
  enemy is not the person in front of us.
• 53:45
  The person might be operating in the enemy, the work of the
• 53:49
  enemy, but they're not our enemy.
• 53:52
  That person was still created by God and God wants them.
• 53:55
  Whether or not they're going to give their life to God is is not
• 53:58
  my job. But did I display the goodness
• 54:00
  of God, how much he wants them to turn from our ways to trust
• 54:04
  God? Right.
• 54:05
  And so in that I do I see the parallels for sure, you know,
• 54:09
  and we didn't create the seven colored flag.
• 54:12
  So it's like this was already in existence.
• 54:14
  We just well, that's the flag we're.
• 54:16
  Going to win, yeah. You know what I mean?
• 54:18
  Like, you can't, you can't deny that.
• 54:19
  And so for me, I think it's a great opportunity, though, where
• 54:23
  people are like some people within the LGBT community, they
• 54:25
  don't even know like, whoa, I thought there was always six
• 54:28
  colors in the rainbow. No, such a great conversation
• 54:32
  piece. We need to start talking more.
• 54:33
  That's like earlier in the interview I said, I love having
• 54:36
  conversations with people that we do.
• 54:38
  We are on the same page, but I really love those conversations
• 54:41
  where we're not so that hopefully we can both ask God to
• 54:46
  help us humble ourselves and just to learn because I'm
• 54:49
  telling you, the church, we can learn from the LGBT community.
• 54:53
  And some people freak out. They're like, I'm shutting you
• 54:54
  off right now. I'm like, hold on, hold on.
• 54:56
  They know how to do community. They know how to welcome people,
• 55:00
  right, come as you are. And we know Jesus says that come
• 55:03
  as you are, he will transform us.
• 55:05
  His very presence will transform us.
• 55:07
  But do we, does the church really have the like, come as
• 55:10
  you are? Or is it like, hey, come as we
• 55:12
  need you to be, come as you need to look per what we want, you
• 55:17
  know, and and I Father Mike Schmidt says it right.
• 55:19
  I think it's in the catechism. Like God loves us so much,
• 55:23
  they'll meet us where where we're at, but he loves us too
• 55:26
  much to keep us there, right? And so there's a lot though.
• 55:31
  There is a massive spiritual war going on.
• 55:33
  There always has been. And I believe it's going to get
• 55:35
  heavier and hotter and we can see it.
• 55:39
  I think this is where the banner of love needs to fly.
• 55:42
  And love. Love is not love.
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  God is love. God is love.
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  And the love of God, the banner of love In Scripture, it says
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  that his banner over us is love. Are we waving that banner?
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  And so that's what we do at Rainbow Revival.
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  That's what I pray I do every day.
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  Whether. Do you have that slogan God is
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  Love? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Perfect. Yeah, I'm not really into the
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  social media thing, but a lot of people, you know, tag love is
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  love. I'm like, I never said if
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  somebody said like, what's the color red?
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  And I'm like, red is red, they'd be like, that doesn't make again
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  logic, right? So I would never put a bumper
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  sticker on my car that says cat is cat, right?
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  But a lot of people. Woman is not woman today.
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  That's what I. Mean like well when we remove
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  logic. Right, right there was, I was
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  asked to comment on this story recently and I was like, it was
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  just overwhelmingly dark, but I wanted to share it because it's
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  connected to all of this. But there is this man who was
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  identifying as a woman, trans woman I think is the title then
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  for that. But anyway, so he's trying to go
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  through, he wants to have the first successful uterus change,
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  he was saying, and be the first man, formerly man, now woman to
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  become pregnant in order, he said.
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  And this was like a viral TikTok in order to be able to have the
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  first trans abortion. And you know, I remember looking
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  at that and just seeing like, this is like the like this is
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  where it can spiral to. And this is the kind of meeting
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  of the logical conclusion of like abortion culture with sort
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  of sex, sexuality, confusion and identity culture like marry,
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  marry together in this, you know, horrible harmony.
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  Do you when you see stuff like that or you encounter it?
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  And again, like anything could go viral on social media, like
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  the darkest stuff, right? But what it, what, how do you,
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  what's your kind of take on that when you see that?
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  Even when you just first said that, my heart just hurt.
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  It is just dead. I'm like, what happened?
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  What happened? Like to even want that?
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  Who didn't see him? And again, I'm not minimizing
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  evil, but like the reality for that person.
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  Right, because he had a real, I think he, from what I saw, had
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  this extreme hatred and and anger towards people that he
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  perceived as judging him. So he was going to get this
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  abortion out of. Spite to prove.
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  To the people that he saw as judging him.
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  Yeah, so I think there's a lot and I don't know, I don't know
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  this person, but the first thing I, I felt was hurt for him.
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  Like what happened? I mean, think about Hitler when
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  we look at the back story. I don't know if you watch the
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  Ray Charles me, there's so much when you watch the back story of
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  someone's life, you see where evil entered in.
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  I mean, nefarious, that movie that came out, that guy that was
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  possessed. I don't know if you saw that,
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  but my goodness, watching that and seeing like we want to get
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  mad at the person when you're like, no, in Jesus name, that
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  spirit needs to go. They were once a child and they
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  were once a child that probably was really hurt.
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  Absolutely. And they grew up to keep
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  hurting, and then they started hurting other people.
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  Hurt people, hurt people. Healed people heal people.
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  All right, so we got questions on YouTube and I wanted to share
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  them because I promised people I would.
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  So let's do a couple people are really excited to be able to ask
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  you, so I'm going to start for a few.
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  This is one that just said, how do you respond to?
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  We kind of touched on this, but we'll just do it more directly.
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  How do you respond to children and teenagers who identify as
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  part of the LGBT TQ Plus community without severing the
• 59:00
  all important trust that children should have in their
• 59:02
  parents? So this is particularly younger
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  kids. I think they're asking about
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  what do I do if my kid comes home from school and he's he or
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  she is identifying that way. Yeah, I think when it comes to
• 59:11
  little kids, remembering your role as a parent, like if my I
• 59:16
  don't have children, but like if my nephew came home and he's
• 59:19
  like, so tonight I'm going to eat Snickers, I'd be like, no,
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  you're not actually. And do you know why?
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  And I want to tell you why, right?
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  And so I think sometimes we're so easy to lay rules down, but
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  there's not like little people, all people, we all want to know.
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  And so to actually just have conversation or ask questions
• 59:37
  before you even lay something down, like, hey, you know what?
• 59:41
  What makes you feel like you are attracted the opposite sex?
• 59:44
  Like when did this start for you?
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  Explore. Explore and just listen.
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  Just listen, right? We OK, but I know the answer.
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  I understand. But do you want to tell them the
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  answer or do you want that answer to actually come up
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  within them? And that's when it becomes real,
• 1:00:00
  right? That's when it's going to become
• 1:00:02
  real is when someone realizes it for themselves.
• 1:00:04
  Oh my gosh, I actually feel this way because the little kid told
• 1:00:08
  me that I was gay. And then I didn't know because I
• 1:00:12
  don't really like girls right now.
• 1:00:13
  That's OK. You're 8.
• 1:00:15
  You shouldn't, you know what I mean or whatever.
• 1:00:17
  Not you shouldn't, but you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:18
  Like just explore with them, talk to him, listen, ask
• 1:00:22
  questions. What did Jesus do?
• 1:00:23
  He asked a lot of questions. Self revelation comes in.
• 1:00:27
  I don't mean. Even though he knew all the
• 1:00:28
  answers, he knew every answer, but he was doing it for the sake
• 1:00:30
  of the person, which is exactly what you're saying.
• 1:00:32
  They need to go through the process of understanding
• 1:00:35
  themselves. Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  And and somebody could take that and just, oh, so they're going
• 1:00:38
  to do whatever. No, but it's a process.
• 1:00:40
  I mean, if if my mom would have maybe done that with me, like,
• 1:00:44
  hey, why do you feel that way? Not just come quickly with an
• 1:00:47
  answer. You know what, I'm not blaming
• 1:00:49
  her anything, but we're all learning, right?
• 1:00:50
  But I don't think we let, I don't think we walk with people
• 1:00:53
  enough, even our own little people that go.
• 1:00:55
  Well, it can be scary, I think for a parent and for anyone just
• 1:00:58
  as like, where's this walk going to take me?
• 1:01:00
  And what if I'm unprepared? And that's the thing.
• 1:01:02
  It's like even if you don't know what to say with the information
• 1:01:06
  you're given, you can. It's an ongoing relationship.
• 1:01:09
  Pray, talk to a counselor, talk to the guidance, but you know,
• 1:01:11
  have the courage to dive. In absolutely and stay in right
• 1:01:15
  and not just want a quick fix and then also as they're
• 1:01:18
  struggling with that. That's a great time.
• 1:01:20
  Like, Hey, do you think God says that about you like bring Jesus
• 1:01:24
  into this, you know, when he met so and so in the Bible, like how
• 1:01:28
  do you think that person felt, you know, and, and make him real
• 1:01:32
  for the person you're raising up, right?
• 1:01:34
  Like the I the chosen, I know people have different things,
• 1:01:37
  but that kind of reveals the realness of Jesus that he felt
• 1:01:41
  he, you know, and so I think as you're you're asking these
• 1:01:45
  questions, you can gently bring Jesus into it, but not right
• 1:01:49
  away, not to, you know, put him on defense, but just this
• 1:01:52
  incorporating and pray ask Holy Spirit, how do I walk through
• 1:01:56
  this? I don't think we Bray enough.
• 1:01:58
  Like so true. Guide me, you know.
• 1:02:00
  So true. Here's another one and I've
• 1:02:02
  heard this question before. I think it was even comments on
• 1:02:04
  the YouTube video we did before, but the podcast we did before.
• 1:02:07
  But what do you think causes homosexual desires to originate?
• 1:02:12
  Does it stem from inherent proclivities towards certain
• 1:02:14
  types of sin due to fall familiar issues, abuse, other
• 1:02:17
  factors? There's actually several other
• 1:02:19
  at least another two questions about abuse.
• 1:02:22
  You know, I, my personal experience, you know, with
• 1:02:25
  friends who have not so much I think lesbian, but more
• 1:02:27
  homosexual gay men. The thing that's been common
• 1:02:32
  that I know from several in you know, my life or kind of 1
• 1:02:36
  connection to my life is child sexual abuse and trauma.
• 1:02:40
  Not saying that's every person with same sex attraction, but it
• 1:02:42
  seems to be a very prevalent theme.
• 1:02:44
  What's your take on that? So I've seen very similar right?
• 1:02:49
  In my personal experience, I didn't have any sexual abuse at
• 1:02:53
  all. I think it is very different.
• 1:02:56
  I think wounds kind of, they happen from different things and
• 1:03:01
  then they ooze differently, you know?
• 1:03:03
  And so for me, I know many people who have had sexual
• 1:03:07
  abuse, right? And that kind of led them either
• 1:03:11
  towards that. Like a gentleman was abused when
• 1:03:14
  he was young by a male. That was his first sexual
• 1:03:17
  experience, though he knew it was wrong.
• 1:03:20
  Just instinctively, not even raised in church, just knew it
• 1:03:23
  wasn't right. That was his first experience.
• 1:03:27
  So that's kind of where naturally kind of his body
• 1:03:29
  started to take him because that's when he experienced that.
• 1:03:32
  Then some go the other opposite way.
• 1:03:35
  And there's, there's so many different things.
• 1:03:36
  But I think also the realness of what's happened in your
• 1:03:40
  childhood. It doesn't always look like
• 1:03:42
  sexual abuse. It could be, man, my mom put me
• 1:03:46
  in daycare because she had to work, you know?
• 1:03:49
  And so this young girl, this little girl growing up didn't
• 1:03:52
  have a lot of mom time, didn't have a lot of the nurture that
• 1:03:56
  was needed that we actually created for.
• 1:03:58
  And so was long. And that's more my story.
• 1:04:01
  Like my mom didn't go to work, but just on the emotional level
• 1:04:05
  from her own mom. She didn't know how to give
• 1:04:07
  that. And so she could only give what
• 1:04:08
  we receive, right? And so I know I was always a
• 1:04:12
  longing for like, and it was always older women for me, which
• 1:04:14
  is kind of interesting, kind of that mom type for her attention,
• 1:04:19
  but emotional attention just see me not just like correct me and
• 1:04:23
  this and that. So I think it can be a multitude
• 1:04:26
  of things. And Satan will use anything.
• 1:04:28
  He'll use any sort of abuse, neglect to just direct us not
• 1:04:33
  just towards homosexuality, but towards, you know, just
• 1:04:37
  anything, right? That is not God's way instead of
• 1:04:40
  going towards healing. So I have found in many cases,
• 1:04:44
  myself included, when you go back to your childhood, when you
• 1:04:48
  learn that God is safe and you let him kind of review your
• 1:04:52
  childhood and maybe some areas that we're lacking that he
• 1:04:56
  actually wants to go back and heal those places.
• 1:04:59
  I mean, and he can do that. And I've experienced that and
• 1:05:01
  I'm continuing to experience that.
• 1:05:03
  And I've seen that in a lot of my friends as well.
• 1:05:04
  So it's beautiful, but I don't think there's a one answer.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, it's, it's going to be multiple experiences for
• 1:05:10
  different people. I've heard that before many
• 1:05:12
  times. And there's a famous
• 1:05:15
  psychiatrist named Joseph, Doctor Joseph Nicolosi.
• 1:05:18
  I don't know if you've heard of him, but yeah, but I was, you
• 1:05:20
  know, been reading some of his work and it's, you know, very
• 1:05:22
  countercultural, politically incorrect.
• 1:05:25
  But he has these different theories that he's seen proven
• 1:05:28
  out again again in his practice. Now, I think his son took it
• 1:05:30
  over since his passing, but that they're sort of for the he he
• 1:05:34
  focuses on like homosexual behavior in men, but he and
• 1:05:37
  attraction. But he was saying that for these
• 1:05:38
  a lot of these men, they, you know, have sometimes overbearing
• 1:05:42
  or overly emotionally involved mothers.
• 1:05:45
  And so the feminine is so familiar.
• 1:05:47
  It's almost sometimes repugnant, repugnant, like too much.
• 1:05:50
  But then they have these masculine figures that are more
• 1:05:52
  distant. And so they the thing that you
• 1:05:55
  can become sexually attracted to or you kind of eroticize is the
• 1:05:58
  thing that's mysterious to you that you're you're hungry for.
• 1:06:02
  And so if you read this book of your childhood, for a lot of
• 1:06:05
  these folks that he treats, it's like they just he discovers
• 1:06:08
  these common themes of these mothers way too entangled, like
• 1:06:11
  they never let the little boy grow.
• 1:06:13
  Up, yeah, kind of helicopter. Helicopter Well-intentioned I'm.
• 1:06:16
  Sure, Yeah, well-intentioned. I'm sure.
• 1:06:18
  The best thing? But then this father that is
• 1:06:20
  mystery, too much of A mystery to the boy, so he never can
• 1:06:23
  fully step into his manhood as a male and so he he's craving the
• 1:06:30
  masculine and it becomes eroticized.
• 1:06:32
  Absolutely. So what I would also say is I
• 1:06:34
  see this outside of homosexuality too.
• 1:06:37
  I see this when women are pursuing men to a place that is
• 1:06:41
  not how God had it right. Like we can see this in any.
• 1:06:44
  Because disorder sexuality figure and that's so true.
• 1:06:47
  That's like the common, you know, story of that young woman
• 1:06:51
  who's just seeking male attention desperately because
• 1:06:54
  she didn't get what she needed as a kid.
• 1:06:56
  Or got too much on this end. And not so our childhood, so
• 1:07:00
  many people are like, that doesn't matter.
• 1:07:02
  I was a kid. It matters.
• 1:07:04
  Our childhood matters So many of our formative years.
• 1:07:07
  I mean, like, I don't have a pH D, so I'm not trying to, but I'm
• 1:07:10
  very blessed to be around a lot of people who do.
• 1:07:13
  And I'm seeing it in my own life.
• 1:07:15
  I'm seeing it in my own life. It's not only because this is
• 1:07:18
  what the books say. Know when you've experienced
• 1:07:20
  something like I'm seeing healing in my life from kind of
• 1:07:24
  going back into my childhood. 11 ministry.
• 1:07:28
  That's so good. Is the JP 2 healing center.
• 1:07:32
  Yes, we had done Doctor Bob shoots.
• 1:07:34
  We had him on a few weeks ago. So good, so good, so true.
• 1:07:38
  Like I just so recommend that for anyone who's struggling, not
• 1:07:42
  just with homosexuality, whatever it be, don't be afraid
• 1:07:45
  to let God bring you back and show you some things in your
• 1:07:48
  childhood. And that's not to blame.
• 1:07:50
  That's not to give excuses to do whatever we want or to live a
• 1:07:53
  certain way. It's for healing.
• 1:07:55
  And I felt like the Lord showed me this years ago.
• 1:07:57
  Is Kim. I reveal to heal.
• 1:08:00
  He reveals to heal so. Beautiful not to hurt but to
• 1:08:03
  heal. Another question that we got is
• 1:08:05
  should I attend my son or my friend's gay wedding?
• 1:08:09
  Yes, that is a very common question and I think when we
• 1:08:13
  answer that one, you need to pray.
• 1:08:15
  We forget as Christians that prayer is a part of everything,
• 1:08:19
  right? Like I pray about what I'm going
• 1:08:21
  to wear. I didn't today, but usually so
• 1:08:24
  in that we need to come from a place of prayer.
• 1:08:26
  God, what are you saying in this?
• 1:08:28
  And so for me personally, I would not go to a same sex
• 1:08:31
  union. I I do not believe Jesus
• 1:08:33
  celebrates it. And so I can't celebrate it in
• 1:08:36
  the person I love either. This is The thing is this is not
• 1:08:39
  just that either I check yes or I check no, I show up or I
• 1:08:42
  don't. There needs to be conversation
• 1:08:45
  because whoever's inviting you to their wedding cares for you.
• 1:08:48
  They invited you to something that is intimate, something is
• 1:08:51
  special to them, right? And so I think to, to go about
• 1:08:55
  this relationally, if you're not going to attend, I think there
• 1:08:59
  needs to be some conversations like I love you.
• 1:09:02
  I love you. And this is hard for me because
• 1:09:06
  there is a part of me that wants to just support anything and
• 1:09:08
  everything you do. But then there's this real part
• 1:09:11
  of me that just can't. And it's not because I'm not
• 1:09:15
  allowed to, it's because I believe there's something more,
• 1:09:17
  whatever the Lord is doing. But we cannot veer from truth,
• 1:09:21
  you guys, if we just start celebrating everything.
• 1:09:24
  What did Jesus celebrate? He sat with sinners.
• 1:09:27
  He ate with sinners, absolutely, but He did not celebrate their
• 1:09:32
  sin. We have to remember that.
• 1:09:34
  So yes, we can eat with one another.
• 1:09:36
  We gather, we commune, we talk, but we don't celebrate.
• 1:09:40
  And when you go to someone's wedding, you're celebrating that
• 1:09:43
  you're not just having a meal with them, you're celebrating
• 1:09:46
  what they're doing. I mean, back in the day, right?
• 1:09:49
  Hey, if anybody disagrees, stand up.
• 1:09:51
  They don't do that anymore. Too many people be standing up.
• 1:09:53
  But in that like you are in agreement.
• 1:09:55
  You're a witness. You're a witness.
• 1:09:57
  So from that vantage point, there isn't there isn't a way to
• 1:10:02
  go to a gay wedding I I've heard in truth.
• 1:10:06
  I've heard some people say I go but they know I don't support
• 1:10:09
  him. Like, but you're going.
• 1:10:09
  And you're, what are you doing? Not sharing the champagne, you
• 1:10:12
  know, not not drinking wine and. Here's my thing.
• 1:10:14
  What about all the people that you're sitting at the table
• 1:10:16
  with? Because so some people are like,
• 1:10:18
  oh, I told them that I'm not in support, but I love you.
• 1:10:20
  So I'm going. But now when I'm sitting at the
• 1:10:22
  table, not with the bride and groom, right?
• 1:10:24
  I'm sitting amongst others and they're like, oh, so are you so
• 1:10:28
  happy for him? No, right, like are you going to
• 1:10:31
  be that brutally honest? And now you're actually, so I
• 1:10:34
  don't know to me if I was honest and said, Hey, I'm going to go
• 1:10:37
  to your wedding, but I really don't agree.
• 1:10:40
  And if anybody asks me, I'm going to be honest.
• 1:10:42
  They're going to be like, you know, why don't you just stay
• 1:10:43
  home, right? Like just don't go Because if
• 1:10:46
  I'm going to go, I'm going to go in truth, not to ruin what
• 1:10:48
  they're doing, but I'm not going to sit at the table and say,
• 1:10:50
  yes, I'm I'm so excited for them.
• 1:10:53
  But here's the here's the deal. If we're not going to go to a
• 1:10:56
  same sex union based on truth, then what are you going to do
• 1:11:00
  when your friend or your son who's dating his girlfriend
• 1:11:04
  bought a house and they have a house warming party?
• 1:11:07
  And they're going to go live together and they're going to
• 1:11:09
  live wedding. Yeah.
• 1:11:09
  You got to be consistent. You got it.
• 1:11:11
  Or you're going to take your son's girlfriend on vacation and
• 1:11:14
  you just give him one room. Like we got to be consistent
• 1:11:16
  when it comes to to sin. Yes, God is consistent and if we
• 1:11:20
  want to echo what God has put forth, we don't determine what
• 1:11:24
  sin is. We either agree or disagree with
• 1:11:26
  it, but he says what sin is. And so we get culturally really
• 1:11:30
  messed up and it's honestly hurting the LGBT community as
• 1:11:33
  well because they're like, wait, so I am sinning, but yet my
• 1:11:37
  brother who's been hooking up with his girlfriend, he's not
• 1:11:40
  she's not getting they're not getting the third degree like I
• 1:11:42
  am when I just said I was dating the same sex, right?
• 1:11:45
  And. That's where the phobia
• 1:11:46
  accusation comes. Like you are just phobic against
• 1:11:49
  this. Another one that I think is very
• 1:11:52
  controversial, and this is from especially, I think maybe it's
• 1:11:56
  more easy to understand in Catholic circles because the
• 1:11:58
  Catholic Church has very strong teachings against contraception,
• 1:12:02
  but. You better.
• 1:12:03
  You know, if you are getting married and you're like, well,
• 1:12:05
  I'm going to contracept as a married couple, I'm not going to
• 1:12:08
  have kids or I'm going to wait a long time to have kids.
• 1:12:10
  We're not ready. You know that's sterilized sex
• 1:12:13
  you're having. Well, you're playing God.
• 1:12:16
  It's playing God, but just to kind of compare it directly to
• 1:12:18
  like the LGBT stuff, like what's the big problem with
• 1:12:21
  homosexuality in God's eyes? It's not one man, one woman with
• 1:12:25
  fertility. You can't have fertility
• 1:12:26
  naturally. Well, if you're a heterosexual
• 1:12:29
  couple but you're sterilizing the sexual act, how is your
• 1:12:32
  sexual act different than a same sex sexual?
• 1:12:35
  Act exactly. And that's why we are actually
• 1:12:39
  self destructing because we're standing so firm in certain
• 1:12:42
  areas of sin and even sexual sin, but we're not in others.
• 1:12:47
  And we've accepted things that God never accepted and never
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  laid forth. So if sexual sin hurts, it hurts
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  everybody, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual sin.
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  And there's a reality of both. So when I have parents reach out
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  and they're like, my daughter came out as a lesbian, what do I
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  do? I said, you have a son, like
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  yes, but my daughter, I'm like, does your son have a girlfriend?
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  Yes, great girl, great. You know, they try to bring it
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  right back. I'm like, are you just as
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  concerned about your son and his girlfriend as you are about your
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  daughter? And if you're not, I'm concerned
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  for you. Sexual sin is prevalent and we
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  need to pay attention to it no matter what, in our own lives
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  and in others. First and foremost in our own
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  lives and the places that we are maybe sinning and justifying so.
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  OK, so how can people learn about Forgotten Faces
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  Unforgotten? Yeah, that's good.
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  Not forgotten. Or not unforgotten.
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  Thank you to Kim. Well, I don't think that's a
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  word. That's the problem.
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  Did. Unforgotten, I don't believe is
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  even actually like a word. Somebody told me that I'm like,
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  well, great, that's how you make new words.
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  So I love. It I think it's great.
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  How could you unforget? Well, God sees them, you see
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  them. I love that because you, I mean,
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  you went there at 23. You started this ministry.
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  Yeah. We didn't even talk about it a
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  lot. But I want people to hear a
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  little more. And then how can they support
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  unforgotten faces in Ethiopia? Absolutely, and we do.
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  And what do you do? What are you doing on the ground
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  there? Amen.
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  So we the very call I felt was to help little kids with single
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  moms. And so then as I went there and
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  the Lord was just opening up more and more and showing me it
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  also opened up to single dads and then single grandmas and
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  single grandpas. So it's single caregivers is
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  really where I felt the Lord was asking me to go in and help.
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  And it's such an I know people's like it's so cliche, but we
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  really do teach eat them out of fish.
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  We don't want to just hand fish because if we ever have to
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  leave, where they, how are they going to live?
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  And so we're all about self sustainability within the
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  family. So we take care of the little
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  kids of the single caregiver while we're working with the
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  single parent on what do you like to do?
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  What do you gifted at? Can we help you find a lane that
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  you can actually run in like God has gifted you, right?
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  And so we walk beside the parent while we're doing that.
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  We take care of food, education and health care for their child
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  to just kind of relieve a little bit of that financial pressure.
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  Their child is taken care of. We do not take them into another
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  home. We want to build up family.
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  And so we teach the kids how to be helpful around the house, you
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  know, and so we do a lot around working with the children and
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  then the single parent. And it's been incredible.
• 1:15:21
  We have testimonies after testimonies of these single moms
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  that are now helping other people in their village.
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  We didn't even know about it. And it's been incredible.
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  So we have a little over 450 kids.
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  And so, yeah, so a couple 100 moms and single dads and some
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  single. Grand.
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  So can you sponsor a mom? You can.
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  Still, we did that for a long time.
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  I love that idea, but so it is. A lot of admin.
• 1:15:45
  It's yeah, it's a not-for-profit and that means I don't get paid
• 1:15:48
  either. So all the book sales go
• 1:15:50
  towards. Rainbow revivals not paying you
• 1:15:53
  and they're not paying you. Who's?
• 1:15:54
  Thank God I got a father that pays me.
• 1:15:56
  Real estate was really good to me.
• 1:15:57
  Wow. But he he's just God continues
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  to take care. But yeah, I don't get paid so.
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  How can people donate? They go to unforgottenfaces.org.
• 1:16:05
  It is a 5O1C3 and every penny goes.
• 1:16:08
  So that was something the Lord put on my heart.
• 1:16:10
  Every penny goes. So we have a team in Ethiopia,
• 1:16:13
  but they're all Ethiopian, right?
• 1:16:14
  And so everything is Ethiopian run.
• 1:16:16
  I'm the only American and I'm not paid either.
• 1:16:18
  And so, yeah. But we do need help, especially
• 1:16:21
  as the Lord, because that's what I was doing for a long time.
• 1:16:23
  I could raise support and fundraise and do different
• 1:16:25
  events, but now with sharing about my testimony, you know,
• 1:16:29
  and going everywhere, I don't have a lot of time to do that.
• 1:16:33
  So that is a way that people can support.
• 1:16:35
  But it's such an exciting opportunity to know that your
• 1:16:38
  money can go directly to help those in need.
• 1:16:40
  That's really because I know, I mean, there's other amazing
• 1:16:42
  organizations like World Vision or, you know, all of these
• 1:16:45
  things, but. Admin costs aren't bad.
• 1:16:47
  No, it was just the call I felt. But there's something really
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  special about getting to directly serve in that way A.
• 1:16:52
  Dollar given a dollar. Unforgottenfaces.org and then
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  Rainbow Revival. How can people support Rainbow
• 1:16:59
  Revival? Because I want to see the
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  Freedom March in every city in America.
• 1:17:03
  Amen. Come on.
• 1:17:04
  So how do we support Rainbow Revival?
• 1:17:06
  We kind of have three points and it's prey partner and so, so
• 1:17:12
  none of us are paid on the team either.
• 1:17:14
  And so all the money that is raised goes directly to whatever
• 1:17:17
  the costs are to do these, you know, pop up events.
• 1:17:21
  And so yeah, go to rainbowrevival.org and you can
• 1:17:25
  check out, we're A5O1C3 as well. So that's separate and.
• 1:17:29
  I want to pay you cash like here full time.
• 1:17:33
  It's kind of incredible. Yeah, I love it.
• 1:17:35
  I love it. You know what?
• 1:17:37
  And it's not, I love when people get paid for things I do.
• 1:17:39
  I totally support that. I help support people who do get
• 1:17:42
  paid for ministry. But I do love that I'm in a
• 1:17:45
  position where I don't have to. Incredible, you know?
• 1:17:47
  And so in that, I mean, I'm not loaded either, but I, I've got
• 1:17:50
  pretty low, low, I, I can live low level.
• 1:17:53
  So, but in that with Rainbow Revival, you can show up, you
• 1:17:56
  can spread the word. We're going to do the event
• 1:17:58
  October 21st in Dallas. So you can come.
• 1:18:02
  What we want to see is we want to see not only the body of
• 1:18:05
  Christ come together, but when I say that ecumenical, we want to
• 1:18:08
  see Catholics, evangelicals, Protestant, all the different
• 1:18:11
  Lutherans, Baptist, like we need to pull together.
• 1:18:14
  And you, my dear, have seen how when the body of Christ comes
• 1:18:18
  together, giants. Fall, it's true.
• 1:18:21
  You watched an arm of a giant fall off with in the pro-life
• 1:18:25
  circle right? We believe the other arm is the
• 1:18:28
  LGBT. Not people, but the agendas.
• 1:18:32
  Ideology. We have to come together as a
• 1:18:34
  body of Christ. That's true. 5050 years of
• 1:18:37
  marching against Roe V Wade and it with prayer, I mean, so many
• 1:18:41
  like little ladies praying their rosaries in church and you know,
• 1:18:46
  the International House of Prayer, tons of prayer.
• 1:18:49
  Christina, the live action team praying with Lou Engel since she
• 1:18:52
  was like 20 years old and she's on our team.
• 1:18:54
  And but those prayers for the end of abortion, that fall of
• 1:18:57
  Roe. Obviously our fight's not over
• 1:18:59
  yet in the fight for life, but you are doing the same in this
• 1:19:02
  fight. We're we're partnered in these
• 1:19:04
  different parts of the cultural spiritual battle.
• 1:19:07
  So how can you donate? To go to
• 1:19:09
  rainbowrevivalrainbowrevival.org. We we are paying out bills and
• 1:19:14
  we thank God. He helped Kim pay those bills,
• 1:19:16
  guys. He does it every time, but it's
• 1:19:18
  a little close, closer than we'd like.
• 1:19:20
  So it's coming off October 21st. So if you feel.
• 1:19:22
  When's your next big event? It is October 21st.
• 1:19:25
  You got it. OK.
• 1:19:25
  Yep. All right.
• 1:19:26
  Great. Well, we'll be releasing this
• 1:19:27
  before then, so hopefully that will help.
• 1:19:29
  Thank you, Kim. I mean, so amazing.
• 1:19:31
  And then to follow you, your speaking, your writing, your
• 1:19:34
  ministry, where do people do that?
• 1:19:37
  I guess I have a social media it's.
• 1:19:39
  Good, it's. Starting, I don't really love
• 1:19:42
  that stuff, but it it's helpful and I'm thankful for those who.
• 1:19:45
  So yeah, you can just look up Kim Zember and I love to hear
• 1:19:48
  from people. My turn around time.
• 1:19:50
  I'm only one person, so it's not the greatest, but eventually I
• 1:19:53
  will get back to you and try to plug you into places that will
• 1:19:57
  walk with you, journey with you if you're struggling or whatever
• 1:20:00
  it might be. There's some beautiful
• 1:20:01
  ministries out there that I'm I'm just honored to be able to
• 1:20:04
  tell people about so. Beautiful.
• 1:20:06
  Thank you. Thank you so much, Kim.
• 1:20:09
  Hey guys, Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the
• 1:20:12
  Lila Rose Podcast with Kim Zember.
• 1:20:15
  I hope the conversation was encouraging and inspiring for
• 1:20:17
  you. It was for me.
• 1:20:18
  It's always so good to talk to Kim.
• 1:20:20
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• 1:20:25
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• 1:20:28
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