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Desantis and Trump running for President: blessing or catastrophe for the GOP · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: We are at CEPAC twenty twenty three, and I can
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Speaker 1: tell you there is good news and there's caution. Let
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Speaker 1: me give you the good news first. There is energy
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Speaker 1: for this presidential election coming up that I can promise you. Now,
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Speaker 1: there could be a civil war that is breaking out.
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Speaker 1: The civil war that is breaking out is one that
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Speaker 1: you can see it. And I say keyword could, and
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Speaker 1: that is between Rhonda Santis and Donald Trump. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: say it here today. I want to make it clear.
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Speaker 1: There has not been announcement yet under Santis. It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: Rohnda Santis running for president Knitis of America. There I
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Speaker 1: said it. Mark your calendar March the third. You're going
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Speaker 1: to I want you to make sure you remember I
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Speaker 1: told you Rohnda Santis is running for president. Now. This
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Speaker 1: week is going to be one of the most important
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Speaker 1: weeks politically for every candidate. And let me explain basically
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Speaker 1: the lay of the land this week. There's something that's
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Speaker 1: very interesting that's happening. Club for g Growth, which is
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Speaker 1: the fine antial more who can win and who should
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Speaker 1: we put our money behind? Organization? They're financial, They're just
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Speaker 1: like how do we get to how do we win
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Speaker 1: how do we get a conservative or how do we
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Speaker 1: get anybody elected that's a Republican? And how do we
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Speaker 1: call less our money behind each other high donors so
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Speaker 1: that we're not fighting against each other wasting all our
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Speaker 1: money during a primary. These are the guys that also
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Speaker 1: can give you a Mitt Romney, a Jeb Bush, a
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Speaker 1: John McCain. That's something you do need to understand. There's
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Speaker 1: then the activist movement, which is certainly here at cepack.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the people that actually knock on doors
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Speaker 1: and postings on social media and share podcasts and go out.
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Speaker 1: The grassroots activists and organizers, the people that maybe can't
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Speaker 1: write a check for five hundred thousand to a political
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Speaker 1: action committee a pack, but they certainly are going to
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Speaker 1: be there smiling, downing on the phones on election day
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Speaker 1: and putting out yard signs and door knocking. They're the
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Speaker 1: grassroots people. These two worlds are colliding within a four
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Speaker 1: day period, which is the very interesting Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: look at them as competing groups. Let me explain why
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Speaker 1: you have to have money to win an election. If
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Speaker 1: you don't have money, you cannot win an election. If
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Speaker 1: you don't believe me, look at the what happened when
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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney got the nomination over Rick Santorum. I was
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Speaker 1: working and supporting Rick santorm at the time. We had
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Speaker 1: no money because the Club for Growth World had organized
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Speaker 1: and appointed Mitt Romney as a guy they thought could win.
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Speaker 1: That's who they thought could win. That was the one
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Speaker 1: they believed would win. And so they were wrong, and
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Speaker 1: they were They were wrong on a level that we
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Speaker 1: hadn't seen it a very long time. If you remember,
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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney was a bloodbath. They picked again next to
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Speaker 1: go around a guy never the name of Jeb Bush
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Speaker 1: that was a disaster against Donald Trump as we know,
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Speaker 1: and Ted Cruz, etc. So you gotta have money to win,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. You also have to have
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Speaker 1: people that love you. We have now a very awkward
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Speaker 1: situation because you have basically the same candidate in two
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Speaker 1: different bodies. I've never seen this before in modern political history.
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Speaker 1: There's usually a very different disconnect between the two. Let's
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Speaker 1: go back to Ted Cruze donald Trump. Donald Trump did
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Speaker 1: not have a resume of conservatism. Ted Cruz had a
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Speaker 1: resume of conservatism. Donald Trump did not have a resume
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Speaker 1: On foreign policy. Ted Cruze had a resume on foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did not have grassroots in the Republican movement.
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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz did with a Tea Party, which got him
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Speaker 1: elected when he became a Senator of the first time.
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Speaker 1: There were differences there on stage, there's differences between the
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Speaker 1: two kennets. Now, thank goodness Donald Trump, that came to
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Speaker 1: be an amazing conservative leader. No one can dispute that
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Speaker 1: he was an incredible American first president. He came out
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Speaker 1: and was better than any of us expected. But we
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Speaker 1: had worries and concerns early on. Obviously he rose to
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Speaker 1: the occasion and that's why we love Donald Trump. But
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Speaker 1: this time, if you put Donald Trump and Rick de Santas,
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Speaker 1: you know, next to each other on a stage, what
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Speaker 1: is the difference is an age? I'm being really serious here,
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Speaker 1: what is the difference? Because does Santists Rhoda Santists took
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Speaker 1: the Maga playbook and applied it to the state of
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Speaker 1: Florida and has absolutely owned it and killed it and
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Speaker 1: won with it. He took also and led on fighting
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Speaker 1: against government overreach with with COVID. He was the leader
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Speaker 1: of how to fight COVID overreach and the lockdowns and
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Speaker 1: the schools and these issues. He was a leader on
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Speaker 1: parental rights right. These are all things that you have
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Speaker 1: to look at now. He also and it's very weird
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Speaker 1: how politics has changed. Rhonda santists served his country that
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Speaker 1: used to be much more valuable than it is now.
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Speaker 1: Let me explain why there are many people that are
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Speaker 1: worried that if you're a former military person, you're in
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Speaker 1: a White House, you're gonna be a warhawk, You're gonna
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Speaker 1: be pro war. I don't actually think that's the case
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Speaker 1: at all with wrong to SA. And the reason why
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Speaker 1: I say that is because I actually think he's been
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Speaker 1: to war and he realized war is hell, and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to send a bunch of people into a war.
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Speaker 1: He also understands Reagan policy the same way that Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump understands policy. You have to have strength and you
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Speaker 1: have to be powerful. Rhonda Santis and Donald Trump would
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Speaker 1: have never allowed would happened Afghanistan to happen. They're one
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Speaker 1: and the same. They would have never pulled out. They
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Speaker 1: would have had an air base there just to keep
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Speaker 1: everything in check, and they would have never given up
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Speaker 1: that territory that literally we lost countless lies, tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of lives, defending and protecting. We should still, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, have an air base in Afghanistan, the same
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Speaker 1: way that we have air bases in Germany after World
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Speaker 1: War Two, the same way that we have Gitmo in
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Speaker 1: Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. There are certain areas strategically that
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Speaker 1: you need air support and defense. The other reason why
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Speaker 1: we should have kept that airbase in Afghanistan, and Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump talked about this, and Rhonda Santis has talked about this,
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Speaker 1: is because you need that country to be able to
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Speaker 1: fly over if you have a problem with Iraq, or
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Speaker 1: Iran or Syria. Look at the Middle East, Afghanistan and
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Speaker 1: having the ability to fly in and out of Afghanistan
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Speaker 1: is an issue that can protect and save countless lives
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Speaker 1: and kill terrorists over there before they reach us over here.
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Speaker 1: Al Kaite is still alive. We know that how Shabab
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Speaker 1: is still alive. We know that we know that these
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Speaker 1: isis is still alive and well and growing because now
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Speaker 1: they own the Middle East again and we're not there.
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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is a quote ally but very much needs
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Speaker 1: to be kept in check. And both of these individuals
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Speaker 1: understand that, both of them realize what's going on in
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Speaker 1: the Middle East. So they're the same on their foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: With defense, Let's look at what's happening in Russia. Rhonda
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Speaker 1: Santis and Donald Trump are very much one and the
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Speaker 1: same in Afghanistan and now moving to this conflict in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: In Ukraine, they understand that Rush is bad, okay, and
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Speaker 1: that you can't trust him and you gotta keep in check.
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Speaker 1: The pipeline is a great example of that. And the
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Speaker 1: pipeline that they allowed to happen when Joe Biden became
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Speaker 1: president was a disaster. That pipeline should have never happened.
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Speaker 1: That Nordstream pipeline, Nordstream two should have never happened. Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump fought against that. Ronda Santis would agree and say
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Speaker 1: the same thing. You notice what I'm doing here. They're
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Speaker 1: the same person. The only difference is age. That's it.
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Speaker 1: So how do we avoid a civil war? Because I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say it again, Ronda Santis running for president? Obviously
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Speaker 1: Donald Trumps running for president. And if you walked in
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Speaker 1: right now into a voting booth and only those two
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Speaker 1: names were there, how do you pick It's like picking
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Speaker 1: the difference between a coke and a coke, not coke
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Speaker 1: and pepsi they're different. Not coke and diet coke, they're different.
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Speaker 1: This is a coke and a coke. This is do
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Speaker 1: you want to Miller light or do you want a
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Speaker 1: Miller light? There is this isn't even the difference between
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Speaker 1: michaelob Ultra and Miller Light, or bud Light and Miller Light.
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Speaker 1: They're the same beer. One's a little bit older. Now
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Speaker 1: here's my worry about the civil war. And I've noticed
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Speaker 1: this that while we've been here at Sea Pack, and
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Speaker 1: it's clearly been a theme at Sea Pack, And that
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Speaker 1: is do I If I don't get my way, am
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Speaker 1: I going to stay home and refuse to give it
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Speaker 1: to the other guy? That is my fear. My fear
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Speaker 1: is that if you're a Trump supporter and you're dug
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Speaker 1: in that if Donald Trump doesn't get the nomination, you're
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Speaker 1: not going to vote for desantists. My fear is if
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Speaker 1: you're dug in for desantists and you and you're never
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Speaker 1: Trump or you're just tired of Trump and the Trump antics,
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Speaker 1: that you're never gonna vote for Donald Trump. We will
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Speaker 1: destroy this country if we go into tribalism like that,
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Speaker 1: because let me tell you the Democrats are united. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say that again, the Democrats are united. How unite
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Speaker 1: are the Democrats? They elected a dead guy and Fetterman
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Speaker 1: in one state just to stick it to the Republicans.
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Speaker 1: That's an unbelievable level of being united. Like that's on
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Speaker 1: a whole nother level of oh my gosh, like you're dead, yes,
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Speaker 1: let's vote for him. And they elected the dead guy
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Speaker 1: knowing that he was dead. It wasn't like he died
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours before the election. He was dead and
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Speaker 1: everybody knew was dead, and they didn't care because they
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Speaker 1: didn't want a Republican to get it. Now, when you
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Speaker 1: think about it that way, when you look at it
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Speaker 1: that way and you realize that the Democrats will vote
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Speaker 1: for a guy that cannot put coherent sentences together, obviously
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Joe Biden. They will elect Fetterman, who's
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Speaker 1: in the hospital now. And I actually feel bad for Federman.
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Speaker 1: I think the Democratic Party abused a handicapped individual. I
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Speaker 1: think his own family didn't protect a handicapped individual. I
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Speaker 1: think that Fetterman is a guy that was used and
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Speaker 1: they didn't care. Fetterman's not certain. The people of Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: they didn't care because they didn't want a Republican. Do
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Speaker 1: kind of take a back seat. They didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: They don't care. If you are an elected person and
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Speaker 1: you are a Democrat, that's all that matters. If you
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Speaker 1: have a pulse, that's all that matters. I used to
12:56
Speaker 1: think that cannet quality mattered in elections. It does now
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Speaker 1: only matter on the Republican side. It does not matter
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Speaker 1: on the Democratic side. You can be dead, you can
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Speaker 1: be senile, you can have kind of decline from a stroke.
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Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for Fetterman, and I mean that sincerely.
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Speaker 1: But the reality is, as long as you have a pulse,
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Speaker 1: they will vote for you over the other guys. So
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Speaker 1: they're united. If we are stupid, okay, if we are dumb,
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Speaker 1: If we are stupid, we have a civil war over
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Speaker 1: to Santis and over Donald Trump. That would be the
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Speaker 1: worst thing that we could possibly do is have a
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Speaker 1: civil war where we go into our tribes and we
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Speaker 1: say if we don't get it, then nobody gets it.
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Speaker 1: That is my worry, and that's why I say it
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Speaker 1: now early on. These two men are both great candidates.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that again. These two men are both
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Speaker 1: incredible candidates. I love both of them. I think Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is an amazing leader. I think to Santis is
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Speaker 1: an amazing leader. I think Desantists will be an amazing president.
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Speaker 1: I know Donald Trump is an amazing president because he
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Speaker 1: already did it. I know that, Like, this is not
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Speaker 1: hard to figure out, but we need to make sure
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Speaker 1: that we don't burn down the house because our guy
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Speaker 1: doesn't get what we want. Right Like when you have kids.
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Speaker 1: I have twins, they pitch fits. One twin doesn't get
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Speaker 1: something the other twin once and again. It's I see
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Speaker 1: this happen, and I worry about it because I'm like
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Speaker 1: everybody calmed down. Either way, we're gonna have a good candidate.
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Speaker 1: We need to look at who we think has the
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Speaker 1: best chance to be elected. That's what it really boils
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Speaker 1: down to, and if you and there is a there
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Speaker 1: is a moment happening this week where the Trump base
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Speaker 1: wants to make sure he comes out of seapack being
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Speaker 1: the leader of the party still. And I do believe
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Speaker 1: that he is still a leader of the party. But
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Speaker 1: you can't tell me that Desantist isn't a leader of
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Speaker 1: the party. At the same time, we have to be
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Speaker 1: intellectually honest about that. We need to be intellectually honest
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Speaker 1: about them and say, hey, we know they're both could
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Speaker 1: listen to both of them talk to him. I play
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Speaker 1: the other night part of that interview with Mark Levin
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Speaker 1: with Rohn de Santis. It was the most humanizing conversation
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Speaker 1: of the Santists I'd ever seen. And that's when I
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Speaker 1: knew he's running for president. He clearly was preparing for
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Speaker 1: that moment. His book is all about running for president
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Speaker 1: and who he is and his life and what he
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Speaker 1: believes in and everything else there's You could put Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's name on ninety percent of the contents of that
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Speaker 1: book and you would believe it was Donald Trump. Take
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Speaker 1: out the personal stuff like my wife and kids, right,
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Speaker 1: take that out and Rohn De Santis's book and policy.
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Speaker 1: Could you could put Trump's name on it, and you bet, man,
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Speaker 1: I love Donald Trump's new book. You could do that,
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Speaker 1: You could and it would work. That's how close they
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Speaker 1: are now. Is this something we've ever seen before? No,
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Speaker 1: not in political times modern political times. On the Republican side,
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Speaker 1: there's always been unique distinctions between candidates. We no longer
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Speaker 1: have those unique distinctions between the candidates. Okay, that's just
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Speaker 1: the way it is. I don't believe that either of
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Speaker 1: these men are a bad candidate in any capacity. I
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Speaker 1: love that Rhonda Santis has young children. I love that
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Speaker 1: he went through the military. I love that his wife
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Speaker 1: has amazing compassion for issues that deal with cancer. I
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Speaker 1: think they bring a very unique perspective the table. I
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Speaker 1: also think Donald Trump brings a very unique perspective the
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Speaker 1: table on how corrupt our government is. And going back
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Speaker 1: to his theme of draining the swamp. Those maybe the
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Speaker 1: two differences here. That's it. So enjoy the moment, like
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Speaker 1: enjoy this moment in the concernment, because what I do
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Speaker 1: know is there's a lot of people that are actually
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Speaker 1: inspired right now, and there's clearly a lot of people
16:48
Speaker 1: at SEEPAC that want to win the next election. We
16:51
Speaker 1: I talked earlier and you're gonna hear this in a
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Speaker 1: minute with Marsha Blackburn, and it was obvious that she
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Speaker 1: is very focused on one thing, and that is winning
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Speaker 1: back the Senate, which means we need the president to win.
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Speaker 1: It's very hard to win back the Senate and lose
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Speaker 1: the presidency. You get what I'm saying. Usually the Senate
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Speaker 1: goes the way of whoever ticket wins the White House.
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Speaker 1: Usually that's where the Senate goes. This election, coming up
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Speaker 1: with a Senate so close and so divided right now,
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Speaker 1: where one or two votes can make a massive difference
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Speaker 1: in this country in our future, we need to be
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Speaker 1: very careful not to screw it up, because Republicans screw
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Speaker 1: it up a lot faster than Democrats. To Democrats are
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Speaker 1: united and they'll unite behind the dead person. That's how
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Speaker 1: low the bar is. They're not having policy debates, they're
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Speaker 1: not having domestic policy debates. They're filling government positions based
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Speaker 1: on a quota. All right, we need a gay guy. Okay,
17:45
Speaker 1: and he's married. Yeah, let's put him in charge of translations.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any experience translation? No, he does not, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so he doesn't have any experience No, he doesn't. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Let's put him in there. The new FAA
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Speaker 1: guy who's a disaster that it's gone, literally, this is
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Speaker 1: going on in DC right now, has no experience running
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Speaker 1: and should have no business doing the fa But he's
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Speaker 1: a quota. Let's do it. We got dudes dressed up
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Speaker 1: like chicks who are giving medical advice at this administration.
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Speaker 1: And this isn't now the mainstream for the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we need that. There was a meeting
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Speaker 1: in the administration in the transition where they said, we
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Speaker 1: need to find a dude that dresses like a chick
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Speaker 1: and we need to give him a job in our
18:28
Speaker 1: White House. There was a conversation about that, and they
18:31
Speaker 1: found that person. So that's how easy it is for
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Speaker 1: the Democrats to win an election. When you stand for
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Speaker 1: basically everything on your side, and you don't fight, and
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Speaker 1: you don't draw lines in the sand on what you
18:43
Speaker 1: will or won't do, and you just go with the trends,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter for them who's up there, as long
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Speaker 1: as the only qualifications you actually, I forget, I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: as let's say, have a pulse. No, they elected a
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Speaker 1: dead guy in Pennsylvania, so you don't even have to
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Speaker 1: have a pulse. They would elect a dead guy for
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Speaker 1: president and figured out afterwards. That is the truth of
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Speaker 1: the party. So if you want to know what we're
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Speaker 1: up against, that's the type of unity are up against.
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Speaker 1: They will elect a dead human being to be an
19:10
Speaker 1: office on purpose. Is this a great opportunity for us? Yes?
19:17
Speaker 1: Could this turn into a nightmare for us? Yes? If
19:20
Speaker 1: Trump supporters say, if you don't give me my guy,
19:23
Speaker 1: then I'm not going to show up for your guy,
19:26
Speaker 1: that's a disaster. If DeSantis voters said I'm never voting
19:29
Speaker 1: for Trump no matter what, and Trump gets a nomination,
19:31
Speaker 1: that is a disaster. Now you notice I haven't mentioned
19:34
Speaker 1: any other names. Are there other legitimate names? Yes? Are
19:38
Speaker 1: there other great leaders that are probably gonna run for president,
19:41
Speaker 1: people like Mike Penns. Sure? Does that mean that they
19:45
Speaker 1: have a chance. I don't believe they have a chance.
19:48
Speaker 1: I really, really, really really really don't. I don't believe
19:51
Speaker 1: that Mike Penns has a chance in hell. I want
19:54
Speaker 1: to make that clear. I don't. I do not believe
19:58
Speaker 1: that there's a chance, not a chance at all. So
20:02
Speaker 1: let me just be clear about that. I don't believe
20:04
Speaker 1: there's a chance, but this isn't a very important moment,
20:08
Speaker 1: a very important time in this country. And this week
20:11
Speaker 1: with Club for Growth having their meetings and with the
20:13
Speaker 1: meetings that are taking place at Sepack, somebody this week,
20:19
Speaker 1: somebody this week is going to have an amazing week
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Speaker 1: that is going to put them into a position where
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20:29
Speaker 1: it go through Club for Growth? Or can the two
20:31
Speaker 1: worlds actually work together and they stead of against each other.
20:35
Speaker 1: That's what's going to have to come out of this
20:37
Speaker 1: week for the donors, and the donors need to understand
20:40
Speaker 1: the Republican Party doesn't like to be dictated to their candidate.
20:44
Speaker 1: And if you think you can dictate to us that
20:46
Speaker 1: this is who we choose through money, there are enough
20:49
Speaker 1: Republicans that will revolt. There needs to be a grand debate,
20:52
Speaker 1: not a coronation based on money. We did it with McCain,
20:55
Speaker 1: it didn't work. We did it with Romney and it
20:58
Speaker 1: was a bigger disaster. And then we did it with
21:00
Speaker 1: Jeb Bush and holy crap, was that terrible. That's what
21:05
Speaker 1: people need to be thinking about right now. So I
21:07
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21:10
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21:12
Speaker 1: can't get elected without money, I said at the very beginning.
21:15
Speaker 1: But you also can't get elected without there being grassroots
21:18
Speaker 1: volunteers who believe in your candidate. That's what they have
21:22
Speaker 1: to understand. The two worlds have to get together to
21:24
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21:28
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Speaker 1: at Seapack Center. It's always a pleasure to see you.
23:22
Speaker 1: It is always good to join you, and I know
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you once a year at Seapack. No
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Speaker 1: matter what it's like, it's a way to check pulses
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Speaker 1: and make sure everyone still lives like you're alive. You're alive.
23:33
Speaker 1: There is a very interesting week happening. I'm just gonna
23:35
Speaker 1: pick your brain on this because I love it, and
23:38
Speaker 1: if you're political, you love it. You've got Seapack, You've
23:41
Speaker 1: got Club for Growth, You've got people trying to figure
23:44
Speaker 1: out who the next Republican leader is gonna be. You
23:47
Speaker 1: have clearly de Santists lining everything up. How intriguing is
23:51
Speaker 1: this moment from your perspective, because it does feel like
23:54
Speaker 1: we have some momentum going into twenty twenty four. That's
23:57
Speaker 1: obviously good for you guys taking back control of the Senate.
24:00
Speaker 1: I'm sure that has to interest you just from that
24:02
Speaker 1: aspect alone. Of course it does. And it has been
24:05
Speaker 1: such an interesting week when you look at Sepick and
24:09
Speaker 1: of course Club for Growth and how we'll be there
24:14
Speaker 1: with Tennesseeans that are a part of all of this,
24:18
Speaker 1: and then also the hearings we've had in DC this
24:22
Speaker 1: week at Commerce Committee. Yesterday we had the hearing on
24:26
Speaker 1: Phil Washington, who wants to go to the FAA and
24:29
Speaker 1: tied I honor the service as a command sergeant major
24:35
Speaker 1: that he has given our country. But he could not
24:39
Speaker 1: answer my basic questions. Example, I'd play it, but you
24:43
Speaker 1: tell me explain to you yesterday. Yes. And the fact
24:47
Speaker 1: that he could not tell me that d EI was
24:51
Speaker 1: going to be uh, something that was lesser in safety
24:56
Speaker 1: was going to be primary. I mean, this is this
25:01
Speaker 1: goes back to the mayor Pete scenario. Right. He's a
25:03
Speaker 1: nice guy. I actually think he's a nice guy. Met
25:05
Speaker 1: him a couple of times. He's a nice guy. Totally
25:08
Speaker 1: unqualified to have totally his job in our governments. This
25:12
Speaker 1: is the worst. Yeah, this is the FAA. This is
25:16
Speaker 1: we have had seven near missus in our skies seven
25:23
Speaker 1: seven and just this week had won from Nashville to
25:27
Speaker 1: Boston a Jet Blue flight that nearly collided on landing
25:32
Speaker 1: with a plane that was taking off at Boston Logan.
25:35
Speaker 1: So people want competence, they want somebody who's paying attention
25:39
Speaker 1: to details, and it's qualified. Just to be clear, he
25:43
Speaker 1: has no experience in the sector at all, none. He's
25:46
Speaker 1: just been at LAX, he's been at Denver and he
25:50
Speaker 1: had problems and was listed in lawsuits to each of those.
25:55
Speaker 1: So good man, probably honorable service to our country. The
25:59
Speaker 1: other hearing he had yesterday at Judiciary Committee was with
26:03
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, and I went after him about two tiers
26:07
Speaker 1: of justice, two tiers of investigation. It depends on. If
26:11
Speaker 1: you're a person of faith, pro life person, conservative values,
26:17
Speaker 1: you get one DOJ. If you're a liberal elite politically connected,
26:22
Speaker 1: you get another. Perfe example is the abortion clinics, the
26:25
Speaker 1: bombs abortion of pro life centers not investigated by the DOJ.
26:30
Speaker 1: That was a big issue yesterday with the Attorney General.
26:32
Speaker 1: How angry are you knowing that he refused. Garland refuses
26:36
Speaker 1: to admit that there's two different justice ms. If you
26:38
Speaker 1: are a pastor, for example, or a minister that goes
26:42
Speaker 1: out and praise and someone pushes your kid, we have
26:45
Speaker 1: like a legit swat team come into your house to
26:47
Speaker 1: arrest you, even though he's willing to turn himself in
26:49
Speaker 1: for these assault charges. Meanwhile, if you go and firebomb
26:52
Speaker 1: a pro life clinic, they do nothing. At the they
26:55
Speaker 1: do nothing. And when I ask him about that and
26:58
Speaker 1: the clinic in Nashville, the Hope Clinic, because I said,
27:00
Speaker 1: you know, James Revenge Bray painted their name on the
27:03
Speaker 1: building James Revenge was here, but you say you can't
27:07
Speaker 1: find these people. And his answer was so frivolous. He said, well,
27:12
Speaker 1: crimes that are committed in the dark, they're harder to
27:15
Speaker 1: find those people, and people that are out protesting during
27:19
Speaker 1: the day, you can see their faces and get those
27:21
Speaker 1: pictures and find them. And I told him, James Revenge
27:25
Speaker 1: is all over social media, and so my team and
27:27
Speaker 1: I are we're going to step up and help him
27:31
Speaker 1: and help the FBI find these people. They are all
27:34
Speaker 1: over social media. Do you buy that excuse? I mean
27:37
Speaker 1: to me, it's I would be insulted if I was
27:39
Speaker 1: a member of Congress and you have a DJ saying basically,
27:42
Speaker 1: we only can really go after criminals in the daylight
27:45
Speaker 1: and we can at night. It was so insulting, and
27:49
Speaker 1: people know that that's not right. And I also ask
27:52
Speaker 1: him about the document request, because he gave the Democrats
27:58
Speaker 1: everything they wanted for the genuine weary sixth Committee, but
28:01
Speaker 1: he is stonewall Chairman Jordan and the House Judiciary Committee
28:07
Speaker 1: when they're asking for information about Joe Biden's classified documents.
28:14
Speaker 1: And he said, well, that's an ongoing investigation. I said,
28:17
Speaker 1: January six is an ongoing investigation, but you complied with
28:23
Speaker 1: the request anyway. There again, two different systems, two different
28:27
Speaker 1: types of investigations, for a very similarly situated event. Class question,
28:33
Speaker 1: you know you gotta go. You mentioned January six declassification
28:37
Speaker 1: of the documents, all the video being able to be seen.
28:40
Speaker 1: You think this is a transparency issue, obviously, But there's
28:43
Speaker 1: one question they've not answered yet. How many FBI agents
28:47
Speaker 1: were there at January six, how many were undercover, how
28:50
Speaker 1: many may have informated ray Apps as a name that's
28:52
Speaker 1: become more and more famous. They refuse to answer question
28:55
Speaker 1: about ray Apps or any other people that were undercover
28:58
Speaker 1: working on behalf of the federal government, maybe to even
29:01
Speaker 1: help incite what was going on in that crowd well
29:05
Speaker 1: or is this is why Speaker McCarthy has turned over
29:08
Speaker 1: so much of that video, and it is why House
29:12
Speaker 1: Oversight and House Judiciary is working on it to get
29:15
Speaker 1: those answers. It's gonna be interesting to see what comes
29:18
Speaker 1: out of it. Yes, it's always pleasure to see you.
29:20
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. I want to pivot to
29:22
Speaker 1: another important issue, and this is going to affect this election.
29:26
Speaker 1: It's a issue of foreign policy with China and I
29:30
Speaker 1: want to bring in an expert who understands China and
29:34
Speaker 1: what's happening with China revving up and possibly going into Taiwan.
29:39
Speaker 1: Gordon Jang is with me, the author of the Coming
29:41
Speaker 1: Collapse of China and the Great US China Tech War.
29:45
Speaker 1: He is a friend of mine. We get to hang
29:46
Speaker 1: out a couple of times a year together. Always a
29:48
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you, sir. Thank you so much. Ben.
29:51
Speaker 1: All Right, we're going rapid fire. I'm gonna give you accolades.
29:53
Speaker 1: We're gonna give out your Twitter account the end, so
29:55
Speaker 1: get ready for that. But this is a guy that's
29:57
Speaker 1: an expert on China. He knows a hell of a
29:59
Speaker 1: lot about it. I love getting insight from him. So
30:02
Speaker 1: let's talk about China right now, and I'm going to
30:04
Speaker 1: go through the list quickly. Let's talk about the Captain
30:07
Speaker 1: obvious moment, the fact that COVID and the US government,
30:10
Speaker 1: now from two different agencies, Department of Energy and the FBI,
30:13
Speaker 1: are admitting now that COVID origins that came from China
30:17
Speaker 1: didn't come from a wet market. It came from the
30:19
Speaker 1: Wu Hunt Institute of Virology. How under I mean, I'm
30:23
Speaker 1: not shocked by this. Many called this three years ago,
30:27
Speaker 1: and if you said it, you were conspiracy theory. Are
30:30
Speaker 1: you shocked though, how much our government seems to be
30:33
Speaker 1: protecting China right now, and also our media is protecting
30:36
Speaker 1: China and the narrative they want out there. I'm shocked.
30:39
Speaker 1: Biden had five phone or video conferences with Chinese rulers
30:42
Speaker 1: sign ping, and then he had an in person meeting
30:45
Speaker 1: last November at the G twenty in Bali. Not once
30:49
Speaker 1: did Biden raise the issues. It raised the origin of
30:53
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. That's something that's killed one million, one hundred
30:57
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand Americans and Biden wasn't curious about it.
31:01
Speaker 1: Is that because you believe he's compromised by China. I
31:04
Speaker 1: go back to the money, I go back to Hunter Biden.
31:07
Speaker 1: I don't understand why any American leader wouldn't bring that
31:09
Speaker 1: up unless they're they're compromised, their family has compromised in
31:12
Speaker 1: the way that their son is well, Cefe etc. I
31:15
Speaker 1: think so, But I also think there's other reasons. And
31:18
Speaker 1: you know that Biden is stuck in the forty years
31:21
Speaker 1: past view of China, so that you know, you try
31:24
Speaker 1: to talk to the Chinese and I guess he feels
31:27
Speaker 1: that if he raises the issue that they're gonna stop
31:29
Speaker 1: talking to him. I don't know what it is it's,
31:31
Speaker 1: but whatever it has been, it is wrong. It is
31:34
Speaker 1: strategically wrong. It is morally wrong. We're talking about Americans
31:38
Speaker 1: who have died from a disease that should never have
31:41
Speaker 1: left Central China. They didn't protect the world. I have
31:45
Speaker 1: a theory on that. And they said, basically, oh crap,
31:48
Speaker 1: this thing's gotten out, and if we're going down, and
31:52
Speaker 1: they knew how bad it was going to be, because
31:53
Speaker 1: they knew from the lab, and I'm sure that people
31:55
Speaker 1: work in the lab explained how bad this is going
31:57
Speaker 1: to be. They basically said, if we're going down, our
32:00
Speaker 1: economy is going down, and we're gonna go into lockdowns,
32:02
Speaker 1: and the rest of the world's gonna do the exact
32:03
Speaker 1: same damn thing we are, so we're still on a
32:04
Speaker 1: level playing field. Absolutely. For at least three weeks in
32:08
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty, and maybe even two weeks in December
32:11
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, they lied to the world. They knew
32:16
Speaker 1: how contagious this was. They told the world it was
32:18
Speaker 1: not transmissible human to human, and they knew it was,
32:22
Speaker 1: and they knew it was. They knew at least since
32:24
Speaker 1: the second week of December of twenty twenty that this
32:28
Speaker 1: was contagious. They knew or they should have known. And
32:31
Speaker 1: then we know that in that three or maybe five
32:34
Speaker 1: week period they were lying to the world, So we
32:38
Speaker 1: know at least three weeks, probably five. Let's talk about
32:41
Speaker 1: doctor Fauci. When do you think he knew how bad
32:44
Speaker 1: this was because he was so he knew because he
32:47
Speaker 1: had the tight relationships with Hundts in viroology. We were
32:50
Speaker 1: sending money there and should we have ever been sending
32:53
Speaker 1: money there? Absolutely not. Remember, in twenty fourteen, the Obama
32:56
Speaker 1: administration did something really terrific. They imposed a moretorium on
33:00
Speaker 1: the funding of gain and function research with federal money
33:04
Speaker 1: on US soil. They knew it was too dangerous. They
33:07
Speaker 1: did something that very few governments do. They decided not
33:11
Speaker 1: to do something they could do. So what did Fauci do?
33:14
Speaker 1: He outfulsourced this to a Chinese biological weapons lab. So
33:18
Speaker 1: that's literally why we started saying the money is because
33:21
Speaker 1: you weren't allowed to do in America. That's right. And
33:24
Speaker 1: remember there are two scientific papers, both published twenty sixteen,
33:28
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen from researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,
33:32
Speaker 1: clearly describing gain of function research. Both papers specifically acknowledging
33:37
Speaker 1: funding from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,
33:41
Speaker 1: which then Fauci headed, Let's talk about China from a
33:45
Speaker 1: national security standpoint. Now, these balloons that have been coming
33:48
Speaker 1: over the fact that we didn't shoot it down and
33:53
Speaker 1: let it do it complete its mission and then we
33:56
Speaker 1: shot it down. What does that say about our INTELI
34:00
Speaker 1: agents apparatus? And do you believe that they didn't shoot
34:03
Speaker 1: it down as they claimed, Well, we didn't want to
34:05
Speaker 1: fall on people. Is that a plausible explanation for you
34:08
Speaker 1: in any scenario? No, Remember the US military tracked this
34:15
Speaker 1: balloon when it took off a Hainan Island in China,
34:18
Speaker 1: and remember that it first entered US territorial airspace on
34:22
Speaker 1: January twenty eighth. They did not in the Pentagon notify
34:26
Speaker 1: Biden until four days later, on the fourth day of
34:30
Speaker 1: the intrusion. That balloon during those four days before notification
34:34
Speaker 1: of the president traveled over Alaska in the Allusians up
34:38
Speaker 1: to the Alaskan Landmask and then down through Western Canada.
34:41
Speaker 1: They could have shot that balloon down at any time
34:44
Speaker 1: over uninhabited territory. They told the President when it entered
34:48
Speaker 1: the lower forty eight states. I think they could have
34:50
Speaker 1: shot it down over in Montana, but you know, then
34:53
Speaker 1: they say, Okay, we don't want it to hit people.
34:56
Speaker 1: Sort of plausible but wrong decision. Nonetheless, I leave that well.
35:00
Speaker 1: If I were president, I would fire both the Secretary
35:03
Speaker 1: of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
35:06
Speaker 1: Staff for allowing a large Chinese object to transverse America
35:10
Speaker 1: surveil our sites. And we should have shot it down
35:13
Speaker 1: as soon as it hit the twelve mile limit. Off
35:15
Speaker 1: the illusions. Somebody's head has got to go, and it's
35:20
Speaker 1: not going to I think you and I both know
35:21
Speaker 1: that as well, right, I mean, they won't do that,
35:24
Speaker 1: but clearly there needs to be accountability in the Pentagon
35:26
Speaker 1: because at least for those four days when this thing
35:29
Speaker 1: was over US territorial airspace, they didn't do anything. They
35:34
Speaker 1: didn't tell the President, they didn't shoot it down. Inexplicable, inexcusable.
35:40
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this unnatural alliance that is now China
35:43
Speaker 1: and Russia being forced into becoming good friends and allies.
35:48
Speaker 1: It's all under the cover of obviously the war in Ukraine.
35:51
Speaker 1: China's helping Russia. Russia is going to help China. We
35:55
Speaker 1: pushed them and forced them together in an unnatural alliance.
35:58
Speaker 1: How concerned are you about them teaming up together, not
36:01
Speaker 1: just from possible sharing intelligence, but also from You've got
36:05
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful economies in the world, no
36:08
Speaker 1: doubt about it, and teaming up with a massive nuclear power,
36:12
Speaker 1: which is Russia. Yeah, they now have a durable relationship.
36:17
Speaker 1: And you know, the explain what you mean by that,
36:19
Speaker 1: because a lot of people to understand what they didn't
36:21
Speaker 1: have before. Well, right now China is all in on Russia.
36:26
Speaker 1: And so we can see this in any number of
36:28
Speaker 1: different ways. But of course let's talk about Ukraine because
36:30
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. You know, the Biden administration says that
36:33
Speaker 1: the Chinese are contemplating giving lethal assistance to Russia. Well,
36:38
Speaker 1: they've been doing that from the very beginning of this war.
36:41
Speaker 1: Ben And you know, I don't know what's going on
36:45
Speaker 1: in the Biden administration, but they're obviously not telling the
36:47
Speaker 1: American people the truth. Now they could say, well, we,
36:51
Speaker 1: for various reasons, don't want to punish China, but they've
36:55
Speaker 1: got to tell the American people what they're doing. Now.
36:57
Speaker 1: I believe you've got to impose costs on China for
37:00
Speaker 1: doing this because it is crossed what the Biden administration
37:03
Speaker 1: said as a red line. But what we have is
37:05
Speaker 1: the Biden team they are not imposing those costs and
37:09
Speaker 1: they are not telling the truth to the American people.
37:12
Speaker 1: Those are two sins. Last question for you, because I
37:14
Speaker 1: know you gotta run, but I want to get this
37:16
Speaker 1: one in there. What are the chances that China goes
37:18
Speaker 1: into Taiwan? And what is the calculus now? Because America
37:24
Speaker 1: is not going to stop them? And if America is
37:26
Speaker 1: not going to stop them and we're not going to
37:27
Speaker 1: get into that war and many other countries are not
37:30
Speaker 1: going to follow. Is this really just that they decide
37:33
Speaker 1: they want to be alienated by the world and have sanctions,
37:35
Speaker 1: because that's what it is. It's sanctions at that point, right, Yeah,
37:38
Speaker 1: the Sijun Ping is trying to sanction proof is regime.
37:41
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know what some side is, which
37:43
Speaker 1: is a smart move. By the way, if you're China,
37:45
Speaker 1: if you're China, if you're China, it's a brilliant move
37:48
Speaker 1: and sanctioned proof in your regime means America can act
37:51
Speaker 1: out on us, sanction us, and we're still going to
37:53
Speaker 1: be humming. Right, we know what Sijun Ping is doing,
37:58
Speaker 1: fastest military build ups in the Second World War, sanction
38:01
Speaker 1: proofing this regime, mobilizing China civilians for war, and in
38:05
Speaker 1: October he picked what is now called the War Cabinet.
38:09
Speaker 1: This guy wants to go to war. Now I'm not
38:11
Speaker 1: saying he will, but the point is he's preparing to
38:15
Speaker 1: and we're not acknowledging what the Chinese are doing. Again,
38:17
Speaker 1: you got a Biden administration that says, oh, they won't
38:20
Speaker 1: even call them an adversary. In the White House, they say, well,
38:24
Speaker 1: they're competitors. No, they're not competitors. They have talked about
38:27
Speaker 1: destroying the United States of America. They've been killing Americans
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