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Recapping Eubank-Benn and what makes an ATG? · Boxing B-Sides

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Podcast. Well. Did Thrinco de Mayo just happen?
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So, let's get into... We only have one recap,
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and this one I think is going to get fucking
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spicy. Oh my god. Let me clear out the bottom
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of the card first. Vidal Riley, UD over Shavon
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Clark. Chris Billum -Smith, also UD over Brandon
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Glanton. Which one were you... Josh, you were
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talking about one of those two. Was it Glanton
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or... I think it would be fun. Yeah, I'm not
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saying you were called a win or anything, but
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you had high expectations. Again, Glenn's just
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not good enough, but Will Smith, it's not like
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he made it boring. Aaron McKenna beats Liam Smith.
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It's kind of sad. The old war horse finally had
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one too many. No, he's the trap for now. Yeah,
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that's the stage. He was in the hamper, and he
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was hanging on for dear life, but not no more.
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It's Oprah. Hopefully. Hopefully he hangs it
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up before the sport makes him. And co -main Anthony
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Yard versus Lyndon Arthur. Anthony Yard wins
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again. Can this fucking rivalry be done? I actually
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had a pleasant surprise. Not that it went well,
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but the Yard actually looked like he could box.
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True, he did show different dimensions. Yard's
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career has been heroic stands against the top
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of the division or beating the shit out of scrubs.
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So getting like an actual win against someone
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who isn't in like 600th in the world. That's
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a good, good point. Looking good is pleasant.
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All right. Okay. That's a little better. I still
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like for this rivalry to end. We don't have to
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do this shit anymore. The yard, Arthur, that
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story's over. But there's still... Boring story,
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too. There's a lot of good options for Anthony
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Yard. Let me... Ben Whitaker. Forgot about that.
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Ben Whitaker, you're right. That's a Ben Whitaker
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room. Looking at these options here... Just on
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BoxRec, take the rankings with a grain of salt.
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So, Yard is at 10. Zack Parker at 9. Albert Ramirez
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is at 8. I'm not sure who that is. Vozdik at
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7. Boazzi at 6. Morell, Callum Smith, Beterbiev,
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Beeble, and Benavidez. Yard vs. Smith wouldn't
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be a bad fight. well for British people probably
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no yeah that would be a good like all British
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thing yeah I think Tom would take that fight
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but my opinion uh now main event gonna try my
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best to moderate this one so you guys don't get
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too too out of pocket here oh my god so Chris
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Eubanks Jr. Gets the UD over Conor Benn. It's
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8 -4, 8 -4, and 7 -5, I think it was. Were the
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cards... They were a little too close. You took
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that pretty clearly. Right. I was going to say,
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were they emblematic of the fight? No. It was
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a really competitive fight, but it was not at
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all close. 8 -4. 8 -4 is like best case scenario
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for Conor Benn, in my opinion. Chris Eubank just
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did everything better. He's bigger. He's smarter.
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Not necessarily faster. Was he stronger? Because
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Benn landed some solid shots on him. Of course.
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He's a rear middleweight, super middleweight.
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A really shitty welterweight moving up. Exactly.
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Now, you both have different opinions of how
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you perceived this. So, Josh, I want to start
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with you. I thought the fight was fun. I'm not
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going to say the fight wasn't fun or like fight
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of the year material, but it's been a slow year
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so far. I will say that... The fight had no right
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to go the way it was. Like, they both had to
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suck in different ways for the fight to go out
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like that. Like, if there were any other actually
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okay middleweight, Ben would have been gone.
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But also, like, I acknowledge Eubank was dried
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up as shit. And, like, if you're Conor Benn,
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how the fuck do you not even drop the skeleton,
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the skeleton of a man at least once? He was close,
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though. He was close, but, like, also, like,
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like, I don't know. Like, it went as good as
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a fight between a really shitty middleweight
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and a really shitty welterweight can go. Was
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it the Hagler Leonard? Hagler. Hagler Leonard?
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No way. The shit version of Hagler Leonard. It
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was, like, the shit version of Homo. Maybe a
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shit version of the second one. I just don't
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know. Yeah. I just don't know how Eubank couldn't
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even drop Dan, bro. That's crazy. Like, this
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fight should not have, like, the way it went
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for Eubank, it should not have even been close
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to competitive. He just, like, I get he's winning
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winnings, but also, come on, bro. Anything more?
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Hold in. Before we, uh... I just... You know,
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my too long, my recap is, like, the fight was
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fun, but it was really shitty. So you can pass
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it over to Alex. Let her rip. I agree completely
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with Josh. I don't know if you guys want me to
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argue with him or not. That's what I thought
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was going to happen. I thought you were going
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to argue with me. No, like, I just want to talk
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about the fight. It was really, really good.
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it was it was the thing is it was a shitty it
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was a shitty fight with two shitty fighters but
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man that's why i was like oh we're gonna disagree
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and the thing is we were all dogging on him but
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we were all dogging on both fighters and honestly
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like there's still shit but man that was a fight
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between two shitty fighters and that's like the
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average pro box card man hey hey listen man this
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is probably be connor ben Honestly, yeah, like
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Kelvin Davis, bro. An actual pro box middleweight
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who doesn't punch with the strength of a grandma's
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gentle kiss on the forehead, you'd probably get
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Conor Benn out of there. I mean, it was a fight
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that I think you could show a casual audience
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and say, this is boxing right here. This is how
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it is, you know. It's like, yeah, it's like good.
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To coerce them to watch the sport. Rocky movie.
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Yeah, but you got to say it's boxing. Because
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if you say it's British boxing, they're going
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to kill themselves the first British card they
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watch. Yeah. It was a damn good fight. It shouldn't
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have been that good at all. It was good. I liked
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it a lot. Well, fuck. I was expecting fireworks.
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I thought you guys were going to be talking about...
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I misinterpreted him saying it was good as him
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interpreting the fighters as good. I think I
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did the same thing. I don't want to see Eubank
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anywhere near Canelo, though. I want to see Eubank
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maybe fight Shiraz if he's going to fight someone
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else worthy. Shiraz. I need Eubank at 168. I'm
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sick of this game at 150 where he's always a
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top contender because the rest of the division
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is just worse. Fuck Eubank. Fuck Conor Benn.
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I'm sick of this shit. I need boots to fight
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Conor Benn. so that way Condor Ben can actually
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know what it is to get hit by opposition. Okay,
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Condor Ben versus Majumov. Eubank versus Jannabek.
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Eubank versus Jannabek. Eubank might die. I'm
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failing to see the downside. Okay, you're right,
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actually. Sorry, Chris, I didn't want you to
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die, buddy. Eubank versus Jannabek. Gabby Pandora.
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No, I got no... The conclusions are... Either
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they should fight each other for the rest of
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time or fight someone meaningful and then retire
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because they lost so bad. Preferably the latter.
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Yeah. I don't know, man. If they fight each other
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every six months for the rest of time, I don't
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think it'd be that bad. I wouldn't complain.
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Every six months, we're guaranteed to get an
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alright fight between two shitters. But they're
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levels of shit. Their variety of shit is different
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enough that it makes for a good time. The shit
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mixes well in the toilet. I was thinking of that
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episode of South Park where Cartman smears poop
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on everyone's walls as the Child Revenge Center
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of America smears all the walls with poop. Well,
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fuck. Guess that's that. A short podcast every
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once in a while is not a bad thing. Yeah. What
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did you think, beloved listener? 833 -589 -7637.
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What did you think of Eubank vs. Ben? You can
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always run all the ads back to back to back to
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back. Oh, yeah. Fill in time. I usually do. On
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short ones, I usually throw in like three or
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four instead of one or two. It's all right. This
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OTX one isn't that bad. No, it's all right. In
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our previews. Let's move into the previews here.
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We're going to start first with an overtime card.
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This one's going to be on DAZN. So if you have
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a subscription, enjoy. I don't really know who
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these guys are. And overtime has not started
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their 2025 tournament yet. But Andreas Katsourakis
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won the 154 bracket last year. So that should
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be enjoyable. He's fighting another undefeated
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guy, Roberto Cruz. That's a pretty good watch.
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Yeah, he's good. Pretty good for where he's at
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in the promotional landscape. I don't know. Do
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you see anybody on the other ones? On the undercard,
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I mean? I mean, it's a start, man. I mean, I
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just, I can't speak on it until we've seen it
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more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man, this is
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going to be a short -ass podcast. It is. Yeah.
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Same day. Yeah. Go on. I don't know what to say.
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That's the thing. They're all like prospects.
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I'm like, these are all pro box cards. They're
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like, yeah, they're going to be cool to watch,
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but also I'm not invested. Yeah. I'm just going
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to be, like, watching it while I'm doing some
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work. Yeah, like, what is it? Andreas Katsarakis
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beat Brandon Adams. Yep. Pretty cool. That's
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a good win. Pretty cool. Good win. Yeah. I mean,
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Brandon Adams did beat Boa Chuck. Sparked him.
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Yeah. So, that's a good win. Katsarakis. But,
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like, otherwise, I'm like, my analysis goes that
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far. well then less analysis uh mdp that's jake
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paul's outfit in orlando florida this is a most
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valuable prospects series i think this is their
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12th or 13th card so these are all pro box level
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without the pro box quality matchmaking yeah
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So I'm not sure what to make of them. It's bad.
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Those two were on May 9th. On Saturday, May 10th,
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Queensberry at the Nottingham Arena. I think
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it's like the Motor Point or some fucking shit
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or other. I don't really care. There's a whole
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lot of fights on this card. There's not very
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many that stand out. Sam Noakes was a prospect.
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He's got a good record. He's been decent every
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time I've seen him. But I can't really tell you
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who Patrick Balazs is. British guy. Hmm? British.
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Some British guy. I don't think he's British.
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Well, you know, he's fighting Sam Noakes on a,
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what is it, maximum cards or Queensberry card.
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Yeah. So that means he's British to me. So Euro
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bum? Yep. Moving up to the other one I recognize,
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Liam Davies versus Kurt Walker. Is Liam Davies
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the dude that lost to Barroso? Ooh, I kind of
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think you might be right. It's a Davies. No,
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it's not. It's a different Davies. Ohara Davies.
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You're right. He lost to Shabazz Massoud. Who
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is fighting Peter McGrail? Really? In June. In
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June. Oh, that's a decent little scrap. Yeah.
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Lee Wood still kicking it? I like this fight.
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Yeah, Anthony Kakachi versus Lee Wood. Yeah,
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I don't mind it. I think the IBO title is on
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the line here. The real title? Yeah, the one
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that everyone cares about. Admiration is also
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on the line and equally valuable. The I, the
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obsolete title? The obsolete. Hey, Sam Noakes
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is on this card. Yeah. Sam Noakes is on this
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card and it's actually not that bad. Yeah, like
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I said, it's a decent little scrap. Not sure
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who his opponent is, but Sam Noakes, he's decent.
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Yeah. Pretty standard British fare, but whatever.
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Yeah. This whole card is making me want to watch
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Pro Box. Yeah, where the fuck is Pro Box? Pro
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Box, come back to me. Let me make sure I didn't
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miss anything. Yeah, look at their website right
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now. I think the next one is actually Luba, right?
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Yeah, Luba. How did I fucking miss this? What
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is the matter with me? Yo, what the hell? That's
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the only highlight this entire week. Yeah, how
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did I miss this? I am ashamed. Okay, we're hijacking
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this now. Provox at Silver Spurs Arena in Florida.
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Erickson Lubin fights Rodrigo Holmes Jr. Not
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related to Larry Holmes. Been saying it for ages.
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I've been keeping up with Ardrell Holmes for
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a long time now. And I always bring him up, and
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one of the guys that used to be on the show would
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always be like, who the fuck is this? Why are
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you talking about him? Because, look, this guy's
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going to be on your TV screen soon. Yeah. You
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know what? Lubin isn't even that washed either.
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No, he's not. Lubin's still definitely a player
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here. Can they get stinky, unfortunately? Well,
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you know what? It's pro box, so it's never stinky.
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True. Exactly. We love pro box. Yeah. Hey, Darrell
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Valsaint fights Rodolfo Arcozo, too. The Valsaint
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boys are pretty solid. Like, they're all good
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matchups. And like adequate matchups. I like
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it. Dominic Valle. Also good. I don't think Valle
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is the brothers that I was thinking about. Yeah.
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Well matched. Well matched. That main is going
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to be good. Say the same thing about Pro Box
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every time. You may not recognize their names,
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but you're getting quality matchups. That's usually
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free. Yeah, Probox is good about that. Yeah,
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it'll be free. I'm pretty sure it'll be on their
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YouTube channel. Like, nothing. You're not gonna...
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It's on their website and their YouTube channel.
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Also, their app. They got an app. They got an
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app called Probox TV. It's probably the best
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quality shit you'll find. Consistently, at least.
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Seriously, this is the best card of the weekend.
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It's the same as those other two prospect cards.
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I don't know who these people are, but if you
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like knockouts... I understand Canelo's got to
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be on Cinco de Mayo, but couldn't you have just
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put Brian Garcia on the next week? Continue your
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Fatal Fury extravaganza. Yeah, like, come on.
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You got two weeks of it instead of just one.
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You can charge people twice. Yeah. Instead of
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one and a half. Yeah. I think Maze is going to
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be a little better. Hopefully. Hopefully. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah, I was going to say, hopefully. We're
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talking about hopefully. We want to be, like,
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February again. Yeah. Oh, we want it. I thought
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you said it is going to be. I was like, oh. I
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don't want to be like February, dude. We don't
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want to be beer. And anything more for this Queensberry
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card? Or for the Probox card? No. Alright, last
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one. Sunday, May 11th. This starts at like fucking
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1 in the morning on the West Coast. It's Shisei
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Promotions. What? Did it say gymnasium? Yes.
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Otashi Gymnasium. It was an Olympic thing. I
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would say for this quality of fight, the gymnasium
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is criminal, but if it's a good venue, it's a
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good venue. It's a good venue. It's at the Ota
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City gym in Ota City. From the bottom up, I've
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only got three of them on here. Are there more?
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Let me check, because I'm not sure. Yeah. Okay,
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so what I did was remove the ones that were TBA.
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So, starting from the bottom, this one I don't
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have listed. Masahiro Nakata vs. Zen Takeyama
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at Super Bantamweight. Daida Kira. Versus Jackson
22:18
Zapata. Yeah. Eight rounds at flyweight. Hayato
22:26
Tsutsumi versus Jaime Arboleda. Ten round lightweights.
22:31
And Fernando Martinez versus Kazuto Ioka. This
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is for, I believe, the WBA super flyweight title.
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But I thought it was going to be for the vacant
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IBF. Oh, good. I mean, they both fought for the
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IBF title last time, and then they stripped him,
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and now they get to fight for it again? Okay.
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Is it for the IBF titles as well, or no? Probably.
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Okay. Yeah, good fight. It is. The first one
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was really exciting. Even though they're smaller
23:11
guys, it's still very enjoyable. I can hear the
23:15
damn tumbleweeds. Yeah. I mean, it's still a
23:19
good fight. This has got to be the most bear
23:23
podcast we've had in so long, dude. Yeah. Well,
23:26
I mean, part of it's the schedule, too. Like,
23:28
we just, like... It's just how the schedule ends
23:31
up. Like, it's a bunch of... A bunch of fights
23:33
that you're like, yeah, it's a good fight. But
23:36
I got no strong opinions. Like, Yoka's good.
23:38
You're probably on the wrong side. Yeah. Maybe
23:44
it's because we got so blessed with so many damn
23:47
good fights. Because it used to always be like
23:49
this, you know? You used to have, like, one fight
23:51
a month that was really good. Yeah, the news
23:54
has also been there because, like, the usual
23:56
troublemakers are either fighting or just out
23:59
of the spotlight right now. Yeah. Like, last
24:02
year, it was after April. From April till, like,
24:05
July, August. It was amazing. I think that was
24:10
probably one of the best times in boxing I remember.
24:14
Even all the way to September last year. 2024
24:17
was just a good year. 2025 had a good run from
24:21
the beginning until like February to March. But
24:26
now it's kind of like kind of just rip bumps
24:29
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Oh, I wasn't done. It wasn't just the one topic.
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Ray Leonard? I'm sorry, what? What the hell?
27:57
Who writes these, bro? Okay, we'll put this shit
28:01
in there. Who put that shit in there? I think
28:03
this was made by AI. Because it doesn't have
28:06
a byline. Because I'll tell you, he's going to
28:10
be, not just Ray Leonard, he's going to be someone
28:13
like Hagrid. He's going to be like Hagrid, I
28:16
think. I think he'll be Splenda Ray Leonard.
28:20
Yeah, true. He'll be good. He's like, please
28:24
do not make any mistake. Keyshawn Davis is great.
28:27
I very much enjoy him as a fighter, as a person.
28:32
He seems like a really good head on his shoulders.
28:35
But, like, to say he's the next Ray Leonard,
28:38
like, come on, dude. Like, let me see some titles
28:41
first. Well, yeah, I was about to say, yeah.
28:44
I will say that we're probably saying the same
28:47
thing with Terrence Crawford. You know, he's
28:50
going to be the next Ray Leonard. We're saying
28:51
the same exact thing, probably. So, yeah, I would
28:54
say give him some time. True. Yeah, give him
28:56
some time. Because Terrence Crawford might be
28:57
better. If he beats Canelo. He might be up there
29:00
with Ray Leonard. I just saw the headline and
29:04
I was like, this is potentially one of the dumbest
29:08
fucking things I've seen on this website. They
29:10
put up some dumb shit. Chisora? IBF mandatory?
29:21
Somebody needs to step in and help that man.
29:24
It's so bare that we're talking about fucking
29:26
Chisora. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Imagine
29:30
how funny it would be if... Dubois beats Usyk
29:34
and Chisora beats Dubois and retires undisputed.
29:39
I think, like, storybook ending to the heavyweight
29:43
division. I never watched another fucking fight
29:45
in that division again. Honestly, I'm going to
29:49
be honest with you, dude. I'm going to be honest.
29:51
Let's talk about Usyk versus Dubois. I think
29:52
that's something new that we could probably talk
29:54
about. It is. That's coming up. In July. I think
29:58
me and Josh can have a differing opinion on this
30:01
one. It might cross some flames. So let's start
30:04
this off with the foundation set. Was it a low
30:07
blow? No. Yes. No. No. Hold on. Let's get this
30:19
started. Let's get this started. I was looking
30:20
at the Boxing Hall of Fame so I could start being
30:24
like, this guy shouldn't be here. This guy shouldn't
30:26
be here for, like, a rage bait for you guys.
30:32
We'll get to that right now. Was it a low blow?
30:34
It was. It was actually a low blow. Oh, yeah.
30:37
It was low. I suppose it was a low blow. That
30:40
being said, I don't think there's anything Dubois
30:43
has for Usyk this time. Unless Usyk gets old
30:46
overnight. Do you guys have your phones handy?
30:51
Yeah, I have two monitors on my computer. Alright,
30:54
so if you go to the Lux Media Instagram, go there,
30:59
scroll down a bit on the page, and you will see.
31:08
I took one still. I found it. It's not mine.
31:13
Can we look at the picture? The picture of the...
31:16
The knockdown? The alleged low blow? Yes. Alleged,
31:23
not alleged. I don't know anymore. Let me find
31:26
it. There it is. It's below the beltline. You
31:31
think? What if his trunks are high? No, I don't
31:35
care. Usyk's trunks are not high, though. That's
31:39
the way I'll put it. If they were up to his nipples...
31:42
Like Tyson Fury? Yeah. No fucking low blow. But
31:47
Usyk, Usyk, like you can see Usyk's belly button.
31:51
It was a low blow. Like below the belt, like
31:55
it could have, like now I don't agree that Dubois
31:58
just jumped the gun and punched him right in
32:00
the cock. It definitely was like the cup that
32:04
he's wearing pushing into his balls. But also,
32:07
like Dubois is like a... 200 and whatever pound
32:12
dude punching you in full force. Of course it's
32:18
gonna hurt. Of course it's gonna hurt. Even if
32:20
it's like the cups are there to make sure your
32:23
fucking balls don't burst. But it's still gonna
32:27
hurt. So it looks on the beltline from this angle.
32:33
From this angle? Oh my god. I also don't... I
32:38
will say, Usyk, if he had started counting, Usyk
32:41
would have just gotten up. Yeah. That's what
32:45
I'm saying, yeah. It probably wasn't even, like,
32:47
even if he did get hurt by it, and, like, they
32:50
still had the fight go on, Usyk probably would
32:52
have went through it. Yeah. Would have went through
32:55
the damn storm. I'll tell you. You know what,
33:00
though? Dude, watch and try punching him in the
33:02
balls more this time. Can we talk about the...
33:06
Can we talk about the comeback that Dubois had,
33:08
actually? It's probably one of the best. He has
33:12
transformed as a person. Exactly. He's a totally
33:16
different person now. The comeback that Dubois
33:19
has had is probably one of the best comebacks
33:21
in boxing since forming, in my opinion. Honestly,
33:24
the Hergovich win was probably more impressive
33:27
to me than the AJ win, just because of how it
33:30
happened during the fight. Well, the fight started
33:35
with Dubois just getting clocked in the face
33:38
with right hands for two rounds straight. But
33:41
it's dynamite, man. He has dynamite in his hands.
33:44
No, that's what I mean, though. But in previous
33:47
ones, he just kind of kept getting clocked in
33:50
the face and quit. You know, what's funny is
33:53
that I remember that everybody was rooting for
33:57
Hergovich. They really wanted him to win because
34:00
they really believed he was going to be the...
34:01
Everybody thought he was the boogeyman, remember?
34:03
On the server? Everybody thought he was the boogeyman.
34:05
Hergevich? Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Yeah.
34:08
Nobody gave Dubois a chance. Except me, of course.
34:11
Actually, if you go back in the server and look,
34:15
I actually was the one that was saying that Dubois
34:18
was going to win. I don't want to toot my own
34:20
horn, but... I just had little faith in Dubois.
34:23
I was of little faith. Nah, after I saw what
34:28
he did to Jarrell Miller, I know it's fucking
34:30
Jarrell Miller, but still. It's Jarrell Miller,
34:33
bro. The last 10 seconds, he had... He knocked
34:37
someone out within the last 10 seconds. You gotta
34:39
ask the dog in you. You have to have a killer
34:41
instinct. You know what I mean? And after I saw
34:44
it, I was like, damn. I never knew Dubois was
34:47
like that. I mean, obviously, after Usyk, for
34:49
sure, but... You know what I mean? Losing to
34:53
Usyk, it's Usyk. You know what I mean? It's not...
34:56
I mean, it's also on how he lost. Like, he just
34:59
got his ass beat. There was nothing. Like, the
35:01
low blow was the only moment of success he had.
35:06
Yeah, but that's Usyk, bro. Usyk. Usyk body fury.
35:11
Twice. You know what I mean? Yeah. So to do as
35:16
well as he did against Usyk does say quite a
35:18
bit. Yeah. He was really competitive in the beginning.
35:23
I just switched it. My opinion of Dubois entirely
35:26
changed in the Hergovich fight, because Hergovich,
35:28
for two rounds straight, just pieced him up.
35:31
And I'm like, okay, Dubois is going to get pieced
35:34
up, maybe have some moments, and then quit, right?
35:38
The usual. You can't stop talking to him, dude.
35:43
Yeah, you know, he crawled back and beat the
35:45
shit out of Hergovich, and then he didn't even
35:47
let AJ have a single moment. transformation.
35:53
The only moment AJ had was his last. Yeah, that
35:56
was... Boxer -sized Ben does him again, guys.
36:04
I'm glad that... You gotta do that rear right
36:11
uppercut with both your hands down. I wonder
36:16
who taught him that. They should have been given
36:19
trainer of the year. They were robbed. Fuck Robert.
36:23
They should have given it to him. Who the hell
36:24
that wet was? Ben Davidson. I love Robert. Ben
36:30
Davidson was a secret agent for the Dubois camp
36:32
there. Yeah, it was horrible. That was horrible.
36:37
Fucking bonehead performance from the corner.
36:42
Dubois, I'm glad he's been given Usyk again.
36:45
I think he well deserves it. He's the most deserving,
36:49
I guess. I think he deserves it more than Joseph
36:54
Parker. He deserves it more than a furry trilogy.
36:57
I wanted to see him fight Parker. Parker kind
36:59
of got fucked. I don't want to see that fight.
37:05
I'm not a big fan of Joe Parker. I think, yeah.
37:13
We'll see what happens with Usyk. If he beats
37:16
him, that would be awesome. If not, that would
37:18
also be awesome because I love Usyk. I love both
37:21
guys. I want to see Usyk. I just want to see
37:29
Usyk retire undefeated. It'd be so nice to just
37:33
have a guy. The man. The man of the generation.
37:39
No blemishes. Literally cleaned everyone out.
37:43
Twice, usually. Still Britain. Retired on top.
37:49
And then... Like, at least... Yeah. Destroyed
37:55
British heavyweight boxing forever. Retired.
38:00
You want to... You want to go a little further
38:02
since we have to extend this out? I'll give you
38:04
something to ask. Okay? Out of all the heavyweights...
38:08
Oh, no. I'm not sleeping. What am I saying? Out
38:11
of all the heavyweights of all time, what would
38:16
you play Tuesday? If he retires undefeated, he
38:18
defeats... It's Dubois by knocking him out again.
38:22
What would you rate him? Amongst all heavyweights.
38:26
I'm saying top 10. Top 10? Top 10, and then I
38:32
need to actually think about it and put together
38:34
a top 5, top 10. Yeah, I would say top 20. Easy
38:41
top 20. Depends how much you value pre -Ali boxing.
38:51
I value very much. That's why he's top 20 for
38:55
me. Because I go like, I understand the accolades
39:00
of some of these guys, but then you watch the
39:03
fights and you watch the Usyk fights and you're
39:05
like, okay, Usyk is a giant in this era and also
39:10
just beats the shit out of these guys on skill.
39:14
I think we're about to argue right now. Because
39:16
the amount of guys from back then, I get it,
39:21
they were smaller, but... They were like 170.
39:24
They're light heavyweights. And like 5 '7", light
39:27
heavyweights. And Usyk is 6 '3", and like...
39:31
220. Which is like... Ali looked big. And Ali
39:40
weighed like 215. Yeah, like he beat Sonny Liston
39:48
weighing 210 and 206. And he was 6 '3". It's
39:55
like, like, I don't know. Like, I feel like we've
40:01
reached a point in this, like we've reached a
40:03
point, especially I feel like Lennox Lewis onward
40:06
where like you really, you like, you have to
40:08
split up your list between like. legacy and actual,
40:14
like, head -to -head skill and, like, ability
40:17
to beat each other. The heavyweight division
40:20
right now can be split up into two eras. The
40:24
BL era and the AL era. Before Lewis and after
40:28
Lewis. Yeah. Because, like, Lennox Lewis is,
40:31
like, the first... I feel like Lennox Lewis is,
40:33
like, the first actually top 10 huge heavyweight.
40:38
Yeah. Yeah, like, top 10 pound -to -pound huge
40:40
heavyweight, yeah. And it hasn't been the same
40:43
since. Because now they're all fucking British.
40:46
Yeah, but U6 also, like, I don't know. Like,
40:50
I understand. Like, even in BoxRec, you look
40:53
at their top ten heavyweights and you have, like,
40:55
Jack Dempsey at number nine. And I'm like, I
40:57
understand. Legacy -wise, Jack Dempsey's probably
41:00
top ten. But also, you were not going to tell
41:04
me to my face that he beats, like, anyone like
41:07
Ali and beyond. No, I don't think he would. No,
41:12
you can't. But for the times, there's two top
41:19
ten lists you can make. There's a legacy one
41:22
and a realistic one. There's another one where
41:27
you put Mike Tyson at the top and it says that
41:28
he beats everybody else. And then I say that
41:34
Riddick Bowe would have beat him in the same
41:36
era. I counter you by saying Ali needs everybody.
41:41
Riddick Bowe. See, that's what I mean. If you
41:43
pick skill for skill, where do guys like Riddick
41:46
Bowe who don't have the accolades or the resume
41:49
but so obviously have the skill? If Holyfield
41:57
is a top 10 heavyweight or top 15 heavyweight
42:00
and Riddick Bowe being the guy who comprehensively
42:04
beat him in his heavyweight prime... Well...
42:08
I'll tell you this, I think that Bo would struggle
42:12
in certain eras and do better in certain eras.
42:15
I think he was right where he should have been.
42:17
He did both in the same era, though. Yeah. Just
42:21
on focus. Yeah. So there's a conversation I had
42:28
with Shannara a while ago, and it was actually
42:30
about how do you rate people? Because when you
42:35
think about... Like, comparing Ali, how much
42:39
of it is out -of -the -ring stuff that gets him
42:42
so high up on people's lists? Ali's a rare case,
42:51
though, because he beat so many genuine... Most
42:56
of the guys he beat probably could have been
42:59
that guy of the era. Joe Frazier could have been
43:06
that guy. No, it would have been Foreman. It
43:08
would have been Foreman. But the Foreman, I feel
43:10
like the win that makes his legacy the most is
43:13
a Foreman and the third Frazier win, though.
43:16
No. No. Like, that's where his legacy is in terms
43:21
of, like, being, like, because... I think every
43:26
fight, most fights he had were legacy fights.
43:28
I consider all Frazier fights were legacy fights.
43:32
Yeah, but, like, the number one... number one
43:35
for being, like, the greatest? Well, I would
43:40
say there's two fights when I think of Ali. The
43:42
two first fights I think of might be a little
43:44
controversial is obviously Sonny Liston and George
43:48
Foreman. Yeah. Now, obviously, yeah, the Frazier
43:53
fights were great, and, you know, as a knower
43:57
of boxing, obviously, I know how great it is,
44:00
but... As a casual, if I were to see it from
44:04
the casual standpoint, I think the most well
44:06
-known Ali fights and the most legendary ones
44:10
are the listing and Foreman fights. Yeah. And
44:14
honestly, Ali was a damn good heavyweight. I
44:19
don't know what you guys are talking about. Saying
44:21
that, you know, you don't know what you'd rate
44:23
him on. No, but the thing is that, like, the
44:26
thing is you can rate him really highly, but
44:28
also, like, I see Leo's point where how much
44:33
of his accolades and how the accolades are reflected
44:36
upon are looked at as kindly because of the out
44:42
-of -the -ring stuff. I think he had great accolades.
44:45
I don't know what you're talking about. I understand
44:49
he has the roster of Hall of Famers. But there's
44:55
also guys that are propped up as Hall of Famers
44:57
as a result of existing in the same area that
45:00
may be... Yeah, like, because they existed alongside
45:04
Ali. Because Ken Norton's a Hall of Famer, right?
45:07
Like, I don't mean Ken Norton, because he still
45:10
had legendary fights with Larry Holmes and stuff.
45:14
I'm saying guys like Jimmy Young or Ron Lyle.
45:23
Well, don't tell me that Ron Lyle... How much
45:24
rep do guys like Ron Lyle get off of... I think
45:29
Ron Lyle was a good puncher, but the thing is,
45:31
I agree with you, is that... I mean... Yeah,
45:34
I think he's in the Hall of Fame because of the
45:36
era he was in. Like, how much rep do these guys
45:39
get? But, I mean, that just tells you how good
45:41
the era was. How fun it was. Imagine we had an
45:45
era like that. Yeah. I'll tell you, I mean, I
45:50
think Ali would do good in most areas. Oh, he
45:53
absolutely would. I think he would beat Mike
45:57
Tyson. He would beat, in my opinion, it might
46:00
be a little controversial. I think he'd probably
46:04
beat Usyk. That's a good one. Usyk -Ali is like
46:10
an actual dream. It's actually a dream fight,
46:13
though. Just because they're similarly sized.
46:19
like, skillful, quick heavyweights. Like, that's
46:22
one for the purists. Also, they would, I know
46:27
this might sound silly, but they would also rob
46:28
Usyk even if he won. They would still rob him.
46:31
Depending on where it's at. Knowing how Don King
46:34
would do that shit. I don't know. Like, historical
46:38
revisionism is always funny because, like, you
46:42
know, like, you just have to, you do, end up
46:47
having to take the out of the ring stuff with
46:49
ali well the thing is ali ali you can see the
46:54
merit in the argument at least for him being
46:56
good this whole time right yeah but you can't
46:59
properly but you can't properly gauge his opponents
47:02
because of how because they're next like they're
47:06
fighting ali like they all have name value see
47:11
i understand that and the thing is i see i see
47:14
what you're saying i agree with what you're saying
47:16
My thing is, I think a better example is Mike
47:21
Tyson. That's the one where I hear that people
47:25
say he's one of the greatest heavyweights of
47:27
all time. Where I can see, again, I can kind
47:29
of see merit, but I don't agree at all. I really
47:33
do not agree at all. Mike Tyson is the most hype
47:37
moments and aura heavyweight of all time. Mike
47:42
Tyson, if Mike Tyson was fighting now, he'd be
47:45
like Ben Whittaker. Like, that type of, like,
47:47
hype job. Hype moments and aura. That's true.
47:52
Like, that's so true. He was a good fighter.
47:56
Yeah, he was, like, he had a TOP syndrome. I
47:59
mean, after... He's not, like, an all -time great,
48:02
I agree, actually. Yeah, yeah, he's not an all
48:05
-time great. No, he is an all -time great, but
48:07
he's not, like, a top 10. Yeah, exactly. That's
48:11
my point, yeah. He's, like, a legendary all -time
48:14
great fighter. But it's not the same as being
48:16
one of the best fighters of all time. One of
48:19
the best heavyweights. He was. I feel like a
48:21
more interesting... With heavyweight, though,
48:23
you always end up with the same selection of
48:26
guys, basically. I feel like light heavyweights
48:28
were... Like, lower weight classes, you have
48:30
more fun with the historical ratings. Like...
48:33
Oh, yeah. Because... Like, would a... Like, a
48:38
light heavyweight, like, obviously... Like, my
48:41
take for light heavyweight is that Roy Jones
48:43
Jr. at his absolute peak destroys anyone ever
48:47
to compete at 175. Um... Well... That's my take.
48:54
Bar none? Like, it's like at his absolute, absolute
48:59
peak. Yeah. Like, there's just... It's just not
49:05
even a contest. Come on, man. I would, like,
49:11
you can't say Andre Ward because I already have
49:14
guys that I rate above him. Like, I'd argue Matthew
49:19
Saad Mohamed. Yeah, I'm trying to play devil
49:24
out of kit. Yeah, no, like, Roy Jones Jr. was
49:27
just... Yeah, like, just... Like, God. Like,
49:33
just watching the fights is like... Like, this
49:38
is the closest we get to, like, holy fuck. Like,
49:42
it's just perfect. This is a superhuman? Yeah,
49:46
like, stuff we get about, like, Sugar Ray Robinson
49:51
is word of mouth because his prime was before
49:55
the recorded video. But, like, Roy Jones Jr.
49:59
was just legit superhuman. He'd knock guys out
50:05
before they would realize they were knocked out.
50:09
They'd be on their feet and they wouldn't even
50:10
know. Yeah, no, they were superhuman. Like, my
50:13
favorite guy of all time is, like, Dwight Muhammad
50:15
Kaui, right? But, like, I got to admit, like,
50:20
glaze aside, Roy Jones Jr. was just, like, like,
50:23
at light heavyweight, there's no one. Literally
50:25
no one. I think... Roy Jones being a superhuman
50:31
is a good place to leave it. Yeah. Positive note.
50:36
Yeah, very positive. Roy Jones, to me, is also
50:40
one of the top three, not three types. Maybe
50:44
not top three, but you get the picture. Thanks.
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