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March 22nd and April 5th, two big boxing days · Boxing B-Sides

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indeed. Joan Bae, Shanada, and the one and only
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Alex. How are you all doing? Well, it's a Sunday
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for us, Alex, but Shanada, she's playing hooky
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from work. Yeah, I skipped out. Always. It's
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been a week without boxing. It has not in Japan.
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No, there's been a lot going on. I mean, a week
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without the boxing besides. Oh, yeah. It's been
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a few weeks. We will not go quietly into the
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night. We will not vanish. We didn't give up.
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Without talking more about the fights. Today's
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our Independence Day. Starting off with the olive
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branch to the MMA guys. I wanted to bring up
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a few things that were coming up. uh, review
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or preview section, there's going to be the beginning
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of PFL's 2025 season. The first event is going
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to be 170 pounds and 145 pounds. Um, those are
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glamor divisions over on that side of the street.
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And just like they are for us actually thinking
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on it, it's about light heavyweight and, or super
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middleweight and what welters. So cool. Some
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decent names in here. But if you're trying to
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get into watching MMA, this is actually a pretty
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decent place to start. One other one. Sean Brady
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submits Leon Edwards. Holy poo -poo. Who saw
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that coming? I sure didn't. Even with it being
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a late replacement. But still. Ultimate effing
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casuals if you want to check that out. And...
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Separate plug, Shanada and I talk about this
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on the Boxing Before Dark, the secondary show
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that we have going on here, where we talk about
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1 -170 quite a bit. You actually tuned in for
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this one. Yeah, I did. 1 is much more interesting
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than UFC, in my opinion. Yeah. Why is that? It's
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a lot of kickboxing instead of MMA, I guess.
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They wear gloves and they can't grapple. And
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if they go to the ground, they stand them right
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back up. There's no homoerotic cuddling on the
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floor. Yeah. Yeah. No, one FC is much more interesting
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to me. I like that. I tell people over on the
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MMA side, if you want to start like easing into
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boxing, kickboxing is a good start because it's
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boxing style gloves. With kicks added in. And
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for boxing fans crossing over to the MMA side,
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Muay Thai, there is a little bit of clinching
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allowed, but you have to be actively kneeing
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or elbowing while you're in the clinch. Otherwise,
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they break you up immediately. Muay Thai is fun.
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I do like it. It's just hard to find the fight
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sometimes. Yeah. But the cuts and the knockouts,
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Jesus Christ. Yep. Man, I keep telling people,
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1FC is where it's at. But that's enough of that
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stuff. Let's get into the reviews. This is going
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to be going, for March 22nd, we're going to be
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going in order of just how much weight these
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things have versus the actual timeline. So really
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quickly, overtime. starts back up this is they're
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not doing their tournament format yet but they
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did have some of their tournament winners or
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finalists compete on this card kurt scooby gets
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a stoppage in five over brian jimenez jeremy
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hill over ud over malik montgomery and jonathan
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mansour ko1 over marcus bose party scooby looked
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good yeah he is he is good uh he was on uh showbox
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and he was just starting to break into the boxing
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zeitgeist, and then Showtime got out of boxing
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not long after. It's very unfortunate for him,
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but he's still out there doing his thing, so
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good on Kurt. I have a bone to pick with Starboxing.
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Their fucking website is not very good. Like,
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how in the fuck does mine work better than yours?
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This is unacceptable. But Mickey Scala squeaks
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by majority decision over Victor Tony. It's the
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only fight that I really care about on that whole
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thing. Joe Smith Jr., for whatever reason, decided
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not to fight. So that's fun. God damn it, Mickey
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Scala. Supposed to do better than that. I do
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not know who Mickey Scala is. He's a local Smokey
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for me. He lives out in the East Valley. So my
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city, we refer to it as the Valley. So East Valley.
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I'm in the West. West Side? Yeah. Very much.
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I'm actually from West Side. Provox on YouTube.
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If you're not watching Provox, you should be.
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Provox is awesome. I was so close to go. I was
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about to buy a ticket for this fight. I was so
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close. You should have. I regret it afterwards.
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There's a lot of good fights on here. Even though
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you may not recognize a lot of the names, I'm
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not going to read them all, but even if you don't
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recognize them, still a lot of great fights.
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Just going from number four from the top, Kelvin
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Davis, DB3. KO4 over Jose Marufo. He looked pretty
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good. Yeah, he is. He's the oldest and the tallest,
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biggest, or whatever. He still looks good. He's
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still a Davis brother, and I've yet to see one
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of the three that doesn't look good. Jesse Magdaleno,
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TKO3, we're so back. So fucking back. Super featherweight
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Magdaleno. We'll see what he can leverage this
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into. They were talking about him the same way
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they were talking about Angelo Leo, like taking
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this and pivoting into... getting back into title
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contention. Not so sure that's going to happen
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for him, but... It would be good, though. It
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would be good for him, of course. But I don't
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see that going very well for him. Vladimir Hernandez
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split decision over Isaias Lucero. I was thinking
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going into like round five or six. It's like,
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man, I think Vladimir is about to lose. He's
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having spots of success, but he's not able to
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string anything together to really win the rounds,
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at least as I was seeing it. So I went back to
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I got myself a little camp stove and I've been
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using it outside just because cooking outside
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is just cooler for some reason. It is. And gas
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grills or a gas stove is way better than a fucking
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electric one. Anyway, so I went back to cooking
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outside, and then I come back, and I see, like,
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okay, Vlad's turning it on here. He's got the
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gas tank, and so, cool. And he ends up getting
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the split decision, so good for him. Ooh, I was
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worried for him. Was that the fight with the
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cut, or was that the main event? I can't remember.
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I think it was. Somewhere in there, yeah. Somewhere
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in there, they were yelling that they forgot
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their smocks, which always makes me laugh. Yeah,
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that's right. It was a head clash, I think in
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like the third or fourth round. And Vlad got
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it on his eyebrow. Yes, right through his eyebrow.
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Yep. And main event, Lester Martinez finally
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gets in the ring with Joshan James, KO4. Talking
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all that shit. And he didn't even make it halfway.
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Sad times. Pretty sad. uh well speaking of sad
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matchroom in sydney uh tara moana tko1 this is
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not sad he gets the tk he gets the stoppage over
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james singh dude this is like the first person
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i've ever seen that's from fiji all the way around
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here fiji you can't get any further away before
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you start coming back that's fucking dope i thought
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that was cool So Terra Moana keeps the winning
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streak going. Starts off 2025 with a bang. He'll
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probably get another four more fights in for
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this year, at least. Well, he's not taking any,
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like, any damage because he's knocking people
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out so fast. Yep. But that's what you do. You
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probably fight, like, six times. Yeah. That's
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what you do when you're a prospect. That's what
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you got to do. Moving up. Keep them busy. Everybody
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likes watching them. Sure. Sharnika Johnson,
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TKO7 over Nina Hughes. Fun. Sharnika's an Australian,
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I would say domestic level type, but she could
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work her way up into something bigger. Sky Nicholson.
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Much to Shanada's disappointment. Inconsolable.
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Sky Nicholson loses her title. Split decision
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to Tiara Brown. Not at all. Not a jobbing or
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anything like that. That was... Skye Nicholson's
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the princess of Australia, pretty much. Yep.
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And they didn't even bother to buy her a win.
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I was about to say, I was so surprised they didn't
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even attempt to rob her, to rob the other girl.
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Well, somebody had it the other way. Yeah, it
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was... It wasn't, like, crazy, though. No. You
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know how a matchup can be. Where it's 118 -110.
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I remember that Cal Smith fight on the Bevo -Better
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Bevo undercard. It was 118 -110. It's pretty
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wild. Oh, with Boazzi. Yeah. That's right. That
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was otherworldly. You know who else is... I'm
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so happy that Skye Nicholson got exposed. She's
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not that good. I don't know if exposed is the
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right word. She lost a competitive fight, but
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yeah, she's like not that great. I think if they
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run it back, she'll lose it more clearly. She's
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not horrible, but she's not that good. Everybody
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was talking like she was going to be the next.
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She's just good looking. Whatever. That's really
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it. That's why it's because she's good looking.
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Who cares? Well, Tiara Brown didn't care. Not
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so good looking now. Yeah, she got beat up, huh?
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Yeah. Good looking after the beating. Man, speaking
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of good looking or not good looking, George Cambosos
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Jr. That was embarrassing. You think he's a hottie?
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No, not looking good. I even have the wrong name
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on here. I didn't correct it, but he gets a UD
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over the late replacement. It was like Lee Wiley,
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I think it was. Something Wiley. I remember someone
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jokingly calling him Wiley Coyote. And Kambosis
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went life and death with this guy. Yeah, like
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super late replacement. Kambosis should not have
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gone to the distance with this guy. He looked
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so nervous and out of his element in the last
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first... The last first. The first three or four
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rounds. That Wiley guy was just like, holy shit.
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I'm here. He held his own. He did. Afterwards,
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yeah. He finished the fight really strong, but
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Kambosa should have got him out in the first
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five rounds. Sure. We spend a lot of time talking
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about this one on Boxing Before Dark, so I recommend
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checking that one out. You can definitely get...
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less restrained thoughts. And let the reins off.
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Well, it would just be a repeat of what I said.
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Yeah. But Kambosa should be doing better than
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this. Absolutely. If he thinks he's world class,
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he should not go to decision with a local guy
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on two weeks notice. Was it even two weeks notice?
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No. I think it was less, right? I think it was
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less than a week. Yeah, that's fucking crazy.
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Like, Cambosos should do better. That was, like,
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the gist of what we were talking about over there,
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was that if we need to let go of the illusion,
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whoever it is that's still trying to hold on
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to it, we need to let go of the illusion that
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George Cambosos is world -class. Because he fucking
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isn't. No. For Aussie domestic level? Oh, sure
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he did. That was great. So that automatically
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means that he's the best in the division. Yeah,
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but then Lomachenko made him look fucking stupid.
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He embarrassed him. Absolutely clowned on him.
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Argument destroyed. Struggles with Maxie Hughes.
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Struggles with Lee Wiley. I thought Maxie Hughes
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beat him. I thought Maxie Hughes won. I absolutely
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thought he won. And Maxie Hughes is not really
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world -class either. Right. No. Keep him, keep
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Cambosos to these like domestic dust -ups and
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we're, you're cooking with something there. Like,
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yeah, I guess he's a name, but like, why? I think
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what they could start doing with him is they
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could probably put him with fighters that are
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being built up and they could be like a, I guess
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like a Gamboa or a Delorme, you know what I mean?
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Like a gatekeeper? Yeah, something like that.
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You know what I mean? Exactly. To test these
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young kids out. Well, Wiley took him to decision
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on a week's notice. I don't even know how good
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of a fucking gatekeeper he is. Wiley's a pound
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for pound guy. I tried to be... I did a to be
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fair or to give Kambosis the benefit of the doubt.
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over on Boxing Before Dark and Shanada just fucking
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ripped into me. Like, no. You don't do that.
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You do not do that for Cambosos. Even I wouldn't
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say that. I depend upon Schofield. You guys are
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way too nice over here. Speaking of nice. We
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have to get to a heated car. We gotta get heated.
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Eventually, yeah. There's one that's gonna come
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up. So, yeah, speaking of being too nice, Jesus
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Ramos, Merckx, Guido Schramm, not as good as
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Vladimir Hernandez did it, but it was also much
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less competitive than Vladimir Hernandez's win.
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So Jesus Ramos is going to keep piling up those
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wins. He did not lose to Erickson Lubin. You
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can take that to the bank. Fucking not nice.
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Elijah Garcia. Ah, that's right, huh? Drops the
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decision to Terrell Gachet. Homeboy just did
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not have answers for anything. For anything.
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And I'm very disappointed. You better rep my
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zip code, bitch. You better win. The thing is
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that with Elijah Garcia, I don't get why they're
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robbing people for him, specifically. Like, what's
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their goal here with him? Right. Are they going
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to try to build him into another Mexican -American
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fighter that sells pay -per -view? Like what?
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He's never going to be like that. He's slow.
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He has no skill. No respect to him. He's a boxer,
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and obviously there's all the respect. But he's
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never going to be with the elite. Not even with
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the George Kimboses of the world. I don't understand
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why you let him lose to Kyron Davis. Or let.
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That's a strong word. But now you're going to
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pull it out against Terrell Gauchet. Drops the
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fucking ball. That was a loss, man. He should
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be 16 -2 right now. Yeah, for sure. And he's
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not even that fun to watch. No. He was okay against
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Jose Resendiz, but that's only because Resendiz
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comes to brawl. So that's where the fun was.
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It takes two to tango. Right. Chiron and Terrell
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Gachet were not interested in letting him settle
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into his shots. That's my main part. He's 21,
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so he's still got time. Like, this whole, I've
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got to be a champion before I turn 22 or whatever
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shit. No. No, dude. He might feed him to Lara,
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maybe, but... That would go very horribly for
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Garcia. I would rate Erislandy Lara to stop him.
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Well, the thing is that if it goes to decision,
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they might just give it to the kid. Yeah. Extra
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pay on the backside. I don't know. Lara should
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have enough power to stop him. He does. I would
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not bet money on that one. having the option
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of being a robbery i think lara stops him i would
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put money on on the decision though just because
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it's probably gonna be so high and you know knowing
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pvc they love to do that shit yeah but i just
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i i don't see garcia going to a decision oh hell
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no but if it does you make a lot of money yeah
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hamburger bits A hamburger with cheese on it.
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A cheeseburger. Add a little extra. Add the 50
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cents. So you could pay the transaction fees.
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I should have put 50 pizza bets on Tank Roach.
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You should have. You had that one. You called
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that one. I did. I'm sad. That's it. Anything
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more for Elijah Garcia? Because I wanted to give
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most of the time. To Sebastian Fundura. And Cordell
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Booker. Fuck the BBC. Alright. So Sebastian Fundura.
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Stops Cordell Booker. Exactly what you'd expect.
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Retains his WBC WBO titles. The world's his oyster.
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He's the. I'm trying to think of how to phrase
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this. Is he legit? Or is he still like a freak
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show? Is he somebody that like. more to zalif
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one of the other champions is he somebody he
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should be worried about i think is a problem
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for most people and not just because he's a freak
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show tall like fandora doesn't use his height
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no like he gives up that advantage all the time
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and he just brawls on the inside so he can be
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beat but he's pretty good on the inside for what
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he is the more i watched from the world the more
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he pissed me off Because I'm not even joking.
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I love the kid. I think he's a really humble
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fighter. I respect him a lot. I like watching
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him. He's fun to watch. Except it's just his
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body size is his potential that he has. I mean,
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if he was with a different trainer, if he was
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with freaking Sugar Hill, you know what I mean,
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or even Robert Garcia, where they would utilize
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his specialties, he would be a problem. Like,
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dude, there's no hitting a guy that tall with
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a damn good jab, you know what I mean? Like,
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if he had a Tommy Hearns jab, oh, he would be
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a killer. But he doesn't. He's an inside fighter
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when he's 6 '7". Okay. I have a theory on this.
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Because Fandora's the one that wears glasses,
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right? Yes. I don't think Fandora can see far
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enough to jab. Ooh. Oh, my God. I think he's
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got bad eyes. If you see him with his glasses
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on, they're pretty thick. Gabby has some pretty
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thick glasses too. I just think Pandora can't
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see that far. Holy shit. You just changed the
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game for me. Holy crap. i didn't realize he probably
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could have had a disability like i i legitimately
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think that's part of why he fights the way he
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does is that you can't wear contacts yeah like
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that would be yeah i i think he has to get close
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enough to see them before he can hit them okay
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you know what you're right you're right i'm maybe
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i'm being a little too harsh Everybody always
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talks about it, but nobody brings up that he
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has shit eyes. I literally never thought about
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that. Honestly, I'm going to be honest. I just
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thought it was like a, you know, like not a trend,
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but what's the quote? What's the word? Fashion
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statement? A fashion, you know, fashion thing.
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I mean, obviously he's wearing glasses, but you
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know, a lot of people, they wear the glasses
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because, you know, it makes them look, you know
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what I mean? Maybe, but like he wears them all
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the time. I bet you he can't really read without
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his glasses on. I think he's pretty blind. That's
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so true. You know what? I kind of just showed
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him a whole argument. Yeah. That changes the
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way that I look at him altogether. Yeah. Actually,
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yeah, exactly. You just blew my motherfucking
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mind. I'm like, damn. Everybody's out here making
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fun of a disabled guy for doing the best he can
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with what he's been given. You're right. You're
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right. I just... Damn. Damn. But you're right.
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If he had a good jab, he'd be fucking unstoppable,
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but I don't think he can see people to hit them.
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Oh, yeah. That's sad. If that's the case, then
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I wish he had better eyes. He could see Tim Zhu
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because he was completely covered in blood, so
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he was totally red, which stood out from everything
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else. He'd be colorblind, too. Oh, man. Does
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he even have eyes? He makes people wear little
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bells so he can hear where they are. There have
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been deaf fighters before, but a blind one, that's...
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Have you ever watched the wheelchair boxing?
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No, I've seen clips of it, but I haven't seen
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it. That looks like madness. I don't know if
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that's even a sport. It's fun. Yeah, no, my theory
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is Fandora just has shit eyes. My theory is he
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can't see far enough to jam people. Either way,
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even with that, that kind of cements my point
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even further than that. Again, I love the kid,
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but I think he's pooed. I seriously think that
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most people in that division eats him up. Virgil,
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I think, kills him. Bokrum definitely knocks
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him out. Tim Zhu, I think the whole Tim Zhu fight
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was kind of... I get props for the kid, but Tim
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Zhu was kind of on a... They got to do it again.
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He was on a debuff. I think they should have
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ran it back immediately after, but he was on
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a debuff that whole fight with blood raining
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in his eyes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Tim
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Zhu was winning that fight until he got lightheaded
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from loss of blood. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which kind
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of sucks, but, you know. What can you do about
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it? The fight's already over. It's passed. He's
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got the titles. I'm still pissed off. I'm still
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pissed off at Zeus Corner. And the ref. And the
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doctor. Somebody should have fucking stopped
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that fight and made it a no contest. At least
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by round 5 or 6. You know what I mean? Early
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decision. That cut, they should have just called
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it there. No contest. That cut was huge. It was
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going to rain in his eyes the whole fight. Any
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idiot could see that. But the thing that makes
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me laugh is that Tim Zu didn't run in the corner
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mid -fight. He stood right there and fought,
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even though he had blood in his eyes. That was
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burning his eyes when a so -called tank couldn't
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even handle the grease. He didn't take a knee,
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didn't lean out and get his face wiped. Exactly,
26:47
yeah. I mean, fucking tank, he... I'm not going
26:50
to rant, I'm sorry. I'm about to go rant about
26:52
tank. This is not tank's time. This is Fundora's
26:53
time. Fundora, again, I think... If they want
26:57
to, they can make money off him by giving him
27:00
to a more profitable fighter that can make more
27:02
money, but we'll see. People have been saying
27:05
this forever, though. What? That he's food? Yeah.
27:12
People keep saying it, and he's only lost once.
27:16
The way he lost is kind of bad, though. Yeah,
27:20
but... I don't know. Where's the guy he lost
27:25
to done since? You know what I mean? Got his
27:28
ass kicked by Bo Huchuk? Yeah. Yeah, but Bo Huchuk's
27:32
a fucking tank. I don't care what anybody says.
27:35
But Bo Huchuk can eat some damn good shots. See,
27:39
that's the thing. I think that Bo Huchuk versus
27:41
Virgil fight was, like, not intended to be, um...
27:44
Like, what was the word? I think if Bo... Well,
27:48
not just that, but I think, um... Both fighters,
27:51
if they were more built up, like, I don't know.
27:54
I feel like that could have been, like, in a
27:57
different universe. A blockbuster, yeah. If a
27:59
lot of people were watching, it would have been
28:01
easily a blockbuster. You know what I mean? I
28:03
was excited for that fight. So was I. I guess
28:06
we're degenerates. We're sickos, so of course.
28:09
We're casual degenerates. Yeah. That was an amazing
28:13
day. That was an amazing day. Xander Zayas was
28:17
there. I assume he's with top rank. I assume
28:20
because he's next in line for WBO. I'm not sure.
28:28
Xander was really nice in his last outing against
28:32
Slowa. Was it Spomer? But I don't know. I think
28:40
Fandora could beat him. I think Fandora can beat
28:43
him. I think it's 50 -50. Really? I think it's
28:49
a competitive but clear win for Fundora. I think
28:53
Zayas is overrated. And I don't think he's rated
28:57
that high. He's not. But I still think he's overrated.
29:02
Most people in the division beat him as well.
29:04
I mean, it's two guys that are kind of not the
29:07
greatest. I mean, that always can't create a
29:09
good fight. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I
29:14
just, I think Fundora takes it. Yeah, I slightly
29:21
agree with you. I think maybe it's like 51 -49,
29:23
Fundora. Just because of his height. But you
29:26
can't count on Zayas. Fair enough. I would watch
29:30
that fight. I think it's a good matchup. Yeah,
29:32
I think it's a good one. What about Keith Thurman?
29:35
That seems like it's in the... Why is Keith Thurman
29:38
still around? Because he just beat Brock Jarvis.
29:42
Yeah, but come on, dude. Keith Thurman is way
29:46
past his prime. And the boxing theory that we
29:49
have for the hamper. Hamper. The unified boxing
29:54
laundry theory. The boxing laundry theory. He's
29:58
past the hamper. He's already in the washing
30:01
machine. He just hasn't been turned on yet. I
30:05
think he's in the thrift store, dog. They sold
30:09
him to Goodwill and then someone else bought
30:11
him. And now he's back. And they're going to
30:15
be used every so often. He's never going to stay
30:18
healthy long enough to do anything. Not anything
30:22
of note, anyway. it's sad but it's a big what
30:27
if keith thurman is a huge what if type of person
30:30
you never know maybe he can come back and win
30:34
no he's fucking yo i don't think he's either
30:37
but i mean what if he does he could pull manny
30:39
pacquiao pacquiao was built different like physically
30:44
built different pacquiao had very few injuries
30:47
his entire career and steroids I'm joking, I'm
30:52
joking. Are we though? I'm joking. I love Pacquiao.
30:56
So do I. But I'm sure he did. I always say it,
31:01
whoever your favorite fighter is, I'm not asking,
31:04
I'm saying your favorite fighter probably is
31:07
taking PEDs. Probably. It's more likely than
31:11
not. There is a really cool scientific paper
31:15
that I don't think is super scientific, but they
31:18
measured wrist size. in boxers and punching power
31:22
output and pacquiao's wrists are giant like his
31:27
bone structure is solid and his wrist size is
31:31
up in the heavyweight division size -wise and
31:34
that's why he hits like a brick yeah like he's
31:38
got huge wrists and calves his calves are crazy
31:43
yeah that's how he generates he was malnourished
31:50
Pacquiao with good nutrition throughout his childhood
31:52
was probably supposed to be like five inches
31:56
taller. Then you'd be a killer. A real, real
32:00
killer. Pacquiao's calf power and wrist thickness
32:07
punching power versus Isaac Cruz's neck. Who
32:14
do you got? You get Canelo. You get Canelo is
32:17
what you get if you put those two together. That's
32:23
crazy. I can't imagine that. Wow. So one thing
32:29
that they were talking about for Fundora, I think
32:31
it was just a general press release from the
32:34
camp. Whenever Spence dropped out the last time,
32:38
he said, I'll come back when I'm ready or whatever
32:40
the fuck. Spence is retired. Yeah. Fuck you,
32:43
Spence. It's, I think. That second car crash
32:47
fucked him again. He got in another one? Yeah.
32:51
Yeah, so he had the bad car crash. Then he had
32:54
the retina surgery. Then there was another car
32:57
crash a couple years ago. Wow. They should have
33:01
taken away his license. Well, he should stop
33:04
drinking and driving. Yeah, exactly. It's so
33:09
sad to think about what could have happened with
33:11
him and Crawford, really. Why the fuck just pay
33:15
someone to drive you home? Like, if you don't
33:19
want somebody driving your fucking fancy car,
33:21
put it on a trailer. Have it towed to your house.
33:24
You have millions of dollars. Don't be a fucking
33:26
idiot. Well, he did fight Crawford. Yeah, and
33:32
you saw how he looked in that fight. Yeah, he
33:34
did another, yeah. According to me, that fight's
33:37
still yet to happen, so I'm still excited for
33:39
that ring walk. I'll be ready. I'll be ready
33:42
with a sixer of something. Well, when... He was
33:48
supposed to fight Pacquiao, wasn't he? And that's
33:50
when he had the retina surgery? That's when Uga
33:53
stepped in, right? Yeah. Yes. I'm pretty sure
33:57
that's what happened. That's right. Honestly,
33:59
I think Pacquiao would have beat him. He had
34:01
a detached retina in his... Yeah. That's right.
34:05
I don't think Pacquiao would have beat him. Pacquiao
34:08
was way past his prime. Yeah, but Earl Spence
34:11
was fucked from the car crash and just had eye
34:14
surgery. Well, after that, I mean, Spence beat
34:20
Uga's pretty bad as well. I guess. You know what
34:22
I mean? I don't know. Maybe Pacquiao would have
34:26
won and would have stunned the world. That would
34:27
have been crazy. That would have been amazing.
34:31
In a different timeline, we really could have
34:33
seen Pacquiao, Crawford undisputed, 147. Holy
34:36
fuck, that would have been cool. I would have...
34:39
Crawford would have murdered him, but it would
34:42
have been cool. I think a wet dream of mine is
34:44
Crawford Pacquiao. I got to stop thinking about
34:48
it. I'm sorry. I'm trying to think. I need to
34:53
check who's in the WBC rankings. WBC, you said?
35:02
Yeah. So Virgil Ortiz is the interim champ. Sergei
35:07
Bohachuk is number one. Xander Zayas is number
35:10
two. Charles Conwell, Jesus Ramos, and Israel
35:14
Madrimov. That's... Wow. You got your work cut
35:19
out for you. Yeah. 154 is going to be the glamour
35:23
division. Yeah. This period. It already is, I
35:28
think. After Charlo, you've been a couple years
35:32
by me, too. Back. It's Ioannis Tellis. Tejas?
35:40
Tejas. What card was he on? Was it the Roach?
35:47
Was it? I don't know. Maybe it was on the Roach?
35:51
I think it was the Roach. I see his name on a
35:53
PVC card. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I recognize his
35:57
face, I think. The Roach or Benavidez. I don't
36:03
know why I said Kimo. I meant Benavidez. Sebastian
36:06
Fundura at the WBO. The interim champion is Terrence
36:12
Crawford. Xander Zayas is number one. Charles
36:17
Conwell is number two. Jorge Perez, I don't know
36:21
who this is, is number three. Josh Kelly and
36:25
Cordell Booker. Basically a bunch of top -ranked
36:30
guys, probably. Xander, yes. Charles Conwell's
36:35
Golden Boy. Josh Kelly, I think, is Queensberry.
36:39
I sometimes think Golden Boy is a little bit
36:42
of an arm. It's an extension of Top Rank. Oh.
36:50
I know it sounds silly, but I just always put
36:55
Oscar De La Hoya with Top Rank, you know what
36:58
I mean? Right. I don't know. It's hard to explain.
37:01
My reasoning with that is dumb. I will admit
37:05
it's very dumb to think like that. But people
37:08
who are listening, tell me how dumb I am. And
37:10
call in. 833 -589 -7637. I want to check. Because,
37:18
of course, the ideal is Mortizaliv for unification.
37:27
Or who's... WBA? Well, WBA was Crawford. Crawford,
37:33
that's right. So then they're going to have –
37:35
he's going to vacate the title. But who gets
37:39
the title then and vacates? Let's see. Right
37:43
now, Erickson Lubin is – for Mortazali of Erickson
37:49
Lubin, Josh Kelly, Xander Zayas, those are the
37:53
top three. Erickson Lubin is about to fight Ardriel
37:57
Holmes. Oh, IBF? Yeah, that'll be an IBF eliminator
38:02
for those two. What about the WBA? Yeah, let
38:05
me check. You can't use Boxer for that one, unfortunately.
38:08
Yeah, I'm going straight to the source. The WBA
38:14
has Abbas Baro, number two's not rated, and Erickson
38:19
Lubin, number three. I have Javon Estes at number
38:23
two. Oh, I see. I feel like, without even thinking
38:29
about it, he's probably a Cuban, huh? Yeah. Damn.
38:34
I'm good. His name is Ioannis. Yeah, of course
38:38
he's Cuban. Only other option would be Dominican.
38:44
Some sort of islander. Right. This website must
38:51
be older. Those are the options for... Man, Fundora,
38:58
that is not a list of names who want my head.
39:04
That's not a list of names that I would want
39:07
to see. To keep the title, definitely fight Xander.
39:12
But the thing is that everybody else has a really
39:15
good chance of beating his ass. Like, hard, too.
39:18
Yes. Virgil will kill him. I'm biased in this.
39:24
But I think Virgil is the top guy in the division.
39:28
I'm very, very biased, but I think he beats everybody
39:31
else. I like Virgil, but I don't know if he beats
39:34
everybody else. Who would beat Virgil? Bohojack
39:40
almost did. Yeah, I was going to say, like, I
39:44
think Mert. I think if they rematch. Mertaz,
39:47
Zaliev. Yeah. Mertz, Mertz, Mertz. Mertz, Zaliev.
39:53
I don't know I really like Virgil but sometimes
39:56
he's stupid like you can really get Virgil into
40:01
just a fight where he kind of shuts his brain
40:05
off and I think if you can take a bunch of punches
40:08
like you can get your punches in back I will
40:14
say that his last fight Virgil I'll be honest
40:16
his last fight was really good I think he showed
40:19
me a lot of defensive maneuvers that I didn't
40:22
think he had before. Yeah, he is improving. I
40:27
do agree with you in the aspect, like, before,
40:29
that he would just resort to straight -up, straightforward
40:32
Mexican fighting when things got rough, especially
40:34
with Boachuk. Because you guys remember in the
40:38
first couple rounds, Virgil was kind of boxing.
40:43
He was boxing pretty well. No, no, with Boachuk.
40:49
Oh, yes. And then Boachuk cracked him and got
40:52
him to just shut his fucking brain off. Yeah,
40:54
exactly. Yeah, he just stopped after that. Which
40:57
the thing is that, I mean, Virgil's never been
40:58
a boxer like that, like slick. But, I mean, it
41:03
was interesting to see for a couple rounds. And
41:05
he did pretty good for what he did. In that aspect,
41:10
like, and only that aspect, he reminds me of
41:12
Arturo Gatti. He could box. If he wanted to,
41:16
and if you could get him to decide to box, he'd
41:19
be way better, but he just fights. Like, Gaddy
41:24
in the second half of his career, when he started
41:26
boxing, looked good. He looked slick. But then
41:29
you throw him in with Mickey Ward, and he just
41:31
shuts his brain off and does the stupidest shit
41:34
you've ever seen in the ring. See, I agree with
41:37
you. I agree with you. Because Virgil, if you
41:41
watch the way Virgil boxed, he... He boxed pretty
41:44
well. He had some things he needed to fix, but
41:47
the way that Boa took him back to reality was
41:50
just sad. You know, kind of sad to see. Because
41:53
he could have lost that fight really easily.
41:56
Especially near the later half. Because he was
41:59
getting really tired. You know? Yeah. I really
42:04
like Virgil Ortiz, but I think he's a little
42:07
hit or miss whether he's actually going to use
42:09
his head or not. You know, during the Bevo -Betterbeave
42:15
card with him and Madrimov, you guys have probably
42:20
seen this clip many times, but that one moment
42:23
where he pulled down Madrimov's hand. Yeah. That
42:26
was beautiful, huh? I said this last podcast.
42:29
That was beautiful. It was so great. It's always
42:33
nice. Yeah. But, like, Madrimov never hit him.
42:38
enough to get him to to fight because madrimov
42:43
only boxes but if you throw him in with another
42:45
fighter i don't know i think you could still
42:48
trick virgil into being stupid i don't even know
42:52
what kind of fighter madrimov is some fights
42:55
he's a boxer some fights he's just a puncher
42:57
his last couple fights he's been a boxer though
42:59
but but he's never a fighter he's either a boxer
43:03
or a boxer puncher, but he's never a fighter.
43:07
If you stick Virgil back in with Boa Chuck, it's
43:09
going to be the same. Virgil's going to shut
43:11
his brain off and do something stupid. Yeah.
43:16
I kind of agree. I agree and disagree at the
43:19
same time. But I'm very biased in that aspect
43:22
because I love Virgil. I really like Virgil.
43:25
I'm just saying that you can trick him into being
43:27
stupid. I love Virgil. I'm super biased. what
43:35
do you think leo um i think it's an interesting
43:40
point to say virgil is the top of the division
43:46
right now that really stood out to me because
43:48
it's it's definitely arguable um based but that's
43:53
based off of like potential right the eye test
43:56
stuff that we tried i try not to get myself drawn
44:00
into because right now Who has the wins? Who
44:03
has the belts? Sebastian Fundura. Oh, come on,
44:08
dude. I think that if they were to fight, I would
44:11
very much lean towards Virgil, like, really heavily.
44:18
I think Virgil probably wins, but I think it
44:21
becomes a fight. I think Fundura tricks him into
44:24
just standing and trading blows. And if you're
44:26
going to do that, you can get knocked out. No,
44:30
see... See, the thing is, I kind of disagree
44:32
with you because I know you say that Fandora's
44:36
the man because he has the belt, but the way
44:38
he got the belt wasn't in the most legit aspect.
44:42
Again, he earned it, but the thing is, he earned
44:45
it against a new, a Tim Zhu that was, that he
44:49
couldn't even properly function in the fight.
44:51
Right. You know what I mean? So I think it's,
44:54
I think we might need more time to see how Fandora
44:56
is against a higher level opposition. Because
45:00
Cordell Booker ain't it. No. Now, Bokrum fought
45:05
a healthy Tim Zoo and knocked him the fuck out.
45:08
Yes. Now, that one, Virgil's biggest opposition
45:13
is going to be Bokrum. No doubt about it. I don't
45:17
know if that was a healthy Tim Zoo, a physically
45:21
healthy Tim Zoo, but he was fucking shook about
45:25
head clashes. He was worried. Yeah, that's true.
45:31
Like, that got in Zu's head. I'm interested to
45:35
see if he gets over it. He might just be ruined
45:39
mentally. Yeah, that happens to a lot of boxers,
45:44
you know. Sometimes it's inevitable. Can't come
45:46
back from it. Sad, but it just happens. Yeah,
45:50
well, and I'm not, like, making fun of him or
45:52
anything, but he looked scared every time their
45:55
heads clashed. And with Baccarin? Yes. That was
46:00
the last fight, right, Leo? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
46:04
like, they had a head clash, and Zu backed way
46:07
up, and he was pawing at his head with his glove
46:09
and checking for blood, and it wasn't even a
46:13
bad head clash. It was pretty minor. Sports therapy.
46:18
That's what that's for. Yeah, I'm just saying,
46:22
like, I think Tim Zu has a mental... Yeah, mental
46:26
block. trauma from that cut which i don't blame
46:31
him that was disgusting and i'm sure that hurt
46:35
yeah it was definitely one of the worst cuts
46:38
i've seen in the last 20 years well and it opened
46:41
back up afterwards too because he had to delay
46:44
that fight because it didn't heal properly yet
46:47
yeah i mean let me tell you it was fun to watch
46:53
but it was also very hard to watch It wasn't
46:56
fun for me to watch. I like bloody, like, drag
46:59
-out fights, but that was just unnecessary. I
47:02
watched Muay Thai, and that was hard to watch.
47:06
Yeah, that was so much blood. That was disgusting.
47:09
I don't know what the fuck the doctor was doing.
47:12
I don't know what the fuck Tim Zhu's corner was
47:14
doing. Zhu's not gonna say he can't fight, but
47:18
his corner could have said, our boy can't fight
47:21
with that cut. Like, that's fucking ridiculous.
47:24
Yeah, that's sad. That was like BK bare knuckle
47:27
FC levels of fucking horror. Disgusting. Yeah.
47:33
Yeah. Last words. Last words for Sebastian Fedora
47:38
and Cordell Booker. I mean, Fedora looked good,
47:42
but you expected him to. Right. Especially against,
47:46
yeah, Cordell Booker. It's unfortunate. He did
47:49
what he was supposed to do. Yes. Yeah. You retain
47:52
his titles. Take notes, Cambosos. That's how
47:55
you're supposed to do it. Yeah, you don't go
47:57
to a fucking decision with a late replacement
47:59
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Alright, cool. Into the previews. Uh, Queensberry.
50:27
This is a... I've been calling this Ape Day.
50:32
Instead of May Day, it's April 5th. There's a
50:35
lot of good fights on. I thought you were calling
50:39
them monkeys. No. No. Apes. Like April. Or it
50:46
could be Ape Day because we're going to be all
50:48
chimping out watching these. But in Manchester
50:54
at the Co -op Live, Queensberry. I'm only going
50:57
to pick the top three that I think are really
51:00
worth paying attention to. From the bottom up,
51:03
Jack Rafferty versus Corey O 'Regan. This is
51:05
for the 140 -pound Commonwealth title. Is it
51:12
that great of a fight? No, not really. But this
51:17
Jack Rafferty, he's going to be coming into your
51:20
feed soon, so start paying attention a little
51:22
bit. On Boxwork, these could be the same person
51:26
in two different pictures. Generic British man
51:32
number two, please. Moving up, David Adelaide
51:38
versus Jimmy, I think it is. I bet you it's Jamie.
51:46
I think that's what I thought. I'm betting that's
51:53
just Jamie spelled funny. And that's for the
51:57
British heavyweight title. Again, same situation.
52:02
These are guys that are going to come into your
52:04
feeds soon enough. Adelaide is pretty well -known,
52:09
isn't he? Yeah, he's been around a bit. I've
52:14
never seen his alias. He is Big D. Big D? That
52:20
is an interesting name right there. That's what
52:25
Dudley Dursley went by. with his uh with his
52:31
gang uh main event joe joyce versus philip hergovich
52:38
10 rounds at heavyweight did you see the video
52:45
they put out to hype this of them fighting i
52:47
assume in the amateurs maybe that doesn't sound
52:51
like it would be very good no but joe joyce looks
52:55
like like You know those men that look like babies,
53:00
but they're full -grown men? Like, their face
53:02
looks like a baby? Yes. Joe Joyce looks so young
53:06
on this giant body, and it's fucking hilarious.
53:10
Fun. I don't know what to say about this. I don't...
53:17
Is... I feel like Joe Joyce is kind of done.
53:21
He's like 40 years old, which... That's the...
53:25
later stages for heavyweights, but I don't know.
53:30
I think he's done. I like Joe Joyce. I'm going
53:33
to watch this. I want him to win. But yeah, I
53:36
agree. He's not going to get back to world level.
53:41
Usually, I would queue up the Joe Joyce theme
53:46
song, but I need to get like a down -tempo sort
53:50
of sad version. Oh. No. All right, moving on.
53:59
Top rank in Astana, Kazakhstan. Motherfucking
54:04
only two fights on here that I recognize. That's
54:09
Baturzan Jukambayev versus Kane Gardner. I think
54:15
it's Kane. It might be Kane. But Baturzan, he's
54:19
a Pro Box alumni, so check him out. He's fun
54:24
to watch. And Johnny Beck, Alim Kanuli versus
54:28
Anuel. Oh, man. I struggled with this on... It's
54:34
hard to say. Boxing Before Dark. Ngami Senge.
54:38
I think that was it. Ngami Senge. Sounds good.
54:44
That'll work. Let me know if I've messed that
54:46
up. I'll definitely be watching that fight. I
54:48
love watching you get in a big fight. Yeah, Johnny
54:50
Beck's cool. I think he's one of the most underrated
54:52
title holders in boxing right now. You know?
54:56
Yeah, I like watching Janabek. Yeah. You know?
54:59
He's what Hamdashiraz is talking about. Like,
55:03
you know how people say Hamdashiraz is this,
55:04
this, and that? Janabek is that. Hamdashiraz
55:08
is Shadas. All right. So he is him? Is that what
55:12
we're... Oh, he is him. Janabek is him. He is
55:15
him. I love Janabek. I have a pretty controversial
55:18
opinion about Janabek. I honestly think that
55:21
he has the potential to beat Canelo. Ooh, that
55:25
is a little controversial. That's a hot one.
55:27
If he goes up to 168, if he goes to 168, he beats
55:30
Canelo, I think. Canelo struggles really hard
55:33
against boxers, and a boxer with some power like
55:38
that, like Janabek, Canelo is going to, I don't
55:42
know. It will be a fun fight to watch for sure.
55:46
Canelo did beat two boxers, though. Lately, though?
55:51
Huh? Oh, lately? No. Johnny Beck, I would say,
55:56
is not as slick as Caleb Plant or even... About
56:00
to throw up in my own mouth saying this. Billy
56:03
Joe Saunders is a little bit more slick than
56:05
that. Yeah, but that's a different Canelo than
56:08
what we got now. Oh, right. That was Canelo.
56:11
This is Dinero. Yeah. This is post -vivo Canelo.
56:16
Right. Also, I have a theory about Canelo. I
56:19
think... Can I say it? Go on. I think... Canelo,
56:24
he could lose his next fight. And the only reason
56:27
why I think that is because there's a Marvel
56:29
movie releasing that same week. And there's an
56:32
MCU movie. And I think the last time that happened
56:35
was with people. That is the dumbest correlation
56:40
I have ever heard. No, okay, okay. Hold on, hold
56:43
on, hold on, hold on. I think it might have some
56:45
merit. It might have some... Well, obviously,
56:47
Canelo's gonna win, but if he loses, it's because
56:50
there's an MCU movie releasing that week. It's
56:52
because of Marvel. Yeah. What movie's releasing?
56:56
The Thunderbolts. I have not even heard of this
57:00
one. That sounds terrible. I like comics and
57:03
I haven't heard of this. I'm excited to see...
57:08
I'm excited to see a fight in Kazakhstan. I want
57:12
to see what a Kazakh crowd looks like. You should
57:15
go watch it. I should go? I don't think... I
57:22
don't think women do very well in Kazakhstan
57:24
by themselves. Oh, you're probably right. Yeah,
57:31
it's a date. LVX will pay for it. Totally. There
57:36
you go. Yeah, there you guys see. Business right
57:38
off. My expense account is all but ready for
57:41
this. Moving on. Let's save that one for the
57:50
end. And we'll go to the next top -ranked card.
57:53
Same day. This one's going to be... The top -ranked
57:56
in Kazakhstan is going to be starting around
57:58
2 on the West Coast. 2 in the afternoon. Queensberry
58:06
starts at about 11. So, with the way the cards
58:11
line up, you should be getting to the end of
58:14
the Queensberry card. At the time that the end
58:20
of the Kazakhstan card comes up. And then that
58:26
will carry you into... Ah, fuck it. We'll do
58:30
it in the order I have it here. PVC on Prime
58:32
coming from... What is this? Broadmeadow, New
58:37
South Wales. So this one I picked out again.
58:41
Just cherry -picked on my way up. Andre Mikhailovich.
58:45
This is the guy that just fought Johnny Beck.
58:47
So he's fighting on this card at six rounds.
58:51
How the mighty fall. Damn. That's bad. I didn't
58:58
even notice that. I remember when there were
59:01
people making edits of him. Right. You guys remember
59:04
that one edit where that guy was talking shit
59:07
to him? And then you beat them the fuck up. And
59:12
then they got beat up by Jannabek. Yep. Dad.
59:16
Jannabek's is only lost, too. It's really weird
59:19
to go down to six rounds. Let me make sure that's
59:22
not a typo on my part, because I'm very professional.
59:25
No. BoxRec says six rounds. BoxRec has it open.
59:29
Yeah. That's crazy. That is unfortunate. Maybe
59:38
they just couldn't find anybody to fight him.
59:42
Blake Wells is the only one that could step up.
59:46
I have no idea who Blake Wells is. I assume I've
59:51
never seen him before. Let's have a look. 11
59:55
and 2. That's not horrible. He's never fought
1:00:01
outside of Australia. There you go. That's Andrei
1:00:09
Mikhailovich. Yeah, I'm guessing this is the
1:00:12
best they could do. His last two fights were
1:00:16
at a hotel. At the Pullman. That's not good.
1:00:21
No. Moving up to Cohen Mazudier versus Dan Hill.
1:00:27
That's at 154. Mazudier's an Australian 154 guy
1:00:34
coming up. He's alright. I would say better than
1:00:39
Cambosos. Honestly. Better. Is he gonna beat
1:00:45
somebody good? Depends. Are they gonna be in
1:00:48
the middle of a depressive episode? In the throes
1:00:51
of bipolar disorder? In the middle of a divorce
1:00:55
and fucking all kinds of other shit? At the same
1:00:58
time? Probably not. So he's probably not gonna
1:01:01
win. Yeah, I don't know if... This guy's not
1:01:07
that good. No. I'm really trying to jazz this
1:01:10
one up, but. He lost to Nikita Zoo. That's where
1:01:14
I saw him. He's not that good. If you guys are
1:01:17
saying that, I'll go for the underdog and I'll
1:01:19
root for him. He's going to win. Watch. Oh, I'm
1:01:22
pretty sure he's going to win this. I think Dan
1:01:24
Hill is in over his head. But then again. Dan
1:01:27
Hill has less losses. Oh, well. Then might as
1:01:31
well be the top of the division at this point.
1:01:34
Just saying. He's got less losses. He also fought
1:01:40
at a hotel his last fight. And Tim Zhu versus
1:01:45
Joey Spencer headlining. Tim Zhu has to look
1:01:51
really good. Tim Zhu's got to knock him out in
1:01:53
the first half of the fight. This is a must win
1:01:57
for Tim Zhu. Not just win, but win really decisively,
1:02:02
really emphatically. There's no room for error
1:02:07
right now with Tim Zhu. He's got to win people
1:02:09
back. Right. Yeah. I saw that Zhu has banned
1:02:13
his father from attending his fights as well.
1:02:17
Really? Yeah, they don't get along. They don't
1:02:21
get along. They were estranged for a long time.
1:02:23
They had just started talking again, and Costa
1:02:26
Zhu was at his last fight. But before the fight,
1:02:30
Kostas Zu said in an interview, I think maybe
1:02:33
in Russian, that his son wasn't ready for that
1:02:36
fight and was like really talking shit. And then
1:02:40
he was ringside and Tim looked like shit. Tim
1:02:44
always loses when his dad's there. But was Tim
1:02:48
Zu, he usually works with his uncle, right? Is
1:02:51
that wrong? I don't think it's uncle. Yeah, I
1:02:57
don't. I don't know if he works with any of his
1:03:01
family, but I do know him and his dad have not
1:03:04
good history. Yeah. And his dad was at the Myrta
1:03:08
Zalia fight, and Kim Zoo's head was just fucked
1:03:13
for that fight. He looked bad. A lot of pressure,
1:03:17
plus the recent events. Yeah. Well, and Kosta
1:03:22
Zoo is not a supportive father in any... Thing
1:03:27
I've ever seen so fucking fathers at its finest
1:03:30
Like real bad. Yeah, I am a hundred percent sure
1:03:36
that Costanzo had Quite a bit of family problems
1:03:42
But anyways Tim Tim has banned him from the events
1:03:48
again, so maybe that will help Yeah, good Joey
1:03:55
Spencer. I hope Tim looks good. Yeah, I do too.
1:03:57
Tim looks good. As much as I like to clown on
1:04:00
him. We need an Australian to clown on. I like
1:04:06
to clown on him. Yeah, Moses is going away. Because
1:04:08
he's Australian, that's really the only reason.
1:04:11
And just because Ruby would get all up in her
1:04:15
feelings about it whenever I do it. So I'd need
1:04:20
her to come back. She is so dramatic. I shit
1:04:24
on Obitai and she gets mad. She gets big mad.
1:04:29
Oh, yeah. Sometimes she'll come and DM me about
1:04:33
what dicks you guys are. Oh. Obitai's not the
1:04:39
greatest, so. I don't know who Joey Spencer is.
1:04:47
Yeah, you don't. To be honest. He's okay. He's
1:04:52
from Fenton? He's just been floating around PBC
1:04:57
cards for a while. So, no surprise here. An appetizer?
1:05:04
Yeah. They're trying to spin this. He lost to
1:05:08
Jesus Ramos, if that puts him into any kind of
1:05:11
perspective. Jesus isn't terrible. No, he's not.
1:05:17
Other than this is a get -back, this is something
1:05:20
Tim Zhu really needs. I do not begrudge him taking
1:05:24
a less -than -stellar opponent for this situation.
1:05:27
Because Joey Spencer is the kind of guy that
1:05:29
you could spin as being more than he is. And
1:05:34
I think that's what's happening here. Yeah, he's
1:05:37
19 -1. He's got 11 knockouts. On paper, he looks
1:05:41
decent. They need to build him up to be some
1:05:46
fearsome enemy so that Tim Zhu can dominate him
1:05:50
and get his confidence back. At least that's
1:05:53
what I think is happening. And Joey Spencer gets
1:05:54
a free trip to Australia. Free trip to Australia.
1:05:57
Sounds like a win -win. Gets paid. Sounds like
1:06:01
a good time. Gets to be on TV. Yep. Looking at
1:06:04
these names, I don't think he's probably been
1:06:06
on TV before. He has. Oh, maybe at the Armory?
1:06:13
Yes. When he fought Jesus Ramos, when he fought
1:06:18
at the Armory after that. Fair enough. I didn't
1:06:24
go down far enough. I'm just pretty sure that
1:06:26
the Dort Financial Center in Flint, Michigan
1:06:28
doesn't broadcast their fights. Or the Linden
1:06:32
High School. Linden High School? Probably not.
1:06:37
Dort Financial Center? Yes. That's on DAZN. That
1:06:42
hardly counts. It counted for me because I watched
1:06:49
it. Anyways, I hope Tim Zhu looks good. So the
1:06:59
timeline, Queensberry starting at 11, should
1:07:02
be wrapping up about the time the main events
1:07:04
start for Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan card should
1:07:08
be wrapping up. about the time the televised
1:07:12
portion like the main card main part of the card
1:07:15
starts in australia which should be wrapping
1:07:19
up about the same the main the same time like
1:07:23
the main card begins for the top ranked card
1:07:26
in las vegas this is like a prospects delight
1:07:29
um jahai tucker Art Barrera Jr., fucking DJ Zamora.
1:07:38
Oh, he doesn't go by DJ anymore. Steve Navarro.
1:07:43
A lot of these dudes are always on the undercards
1:07:47
of top rank. What really matters, Abdullah Mason
1:07:50
versus Carlos Ornelas. Ten rounds at 135. Originally
1:07:57
Giovanni Cabrera. Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure
1:08:03
it was Giovanni Cabrera that dropped out, correct?
1:08:06
I knew it was a replacement. I didn't know it
1:08:07
was this one. Am I wrong or am I thinking of
1:08:11
a different fight? I don't know off the top of
1:08:14
my head, so you might be right. I remember talking
1:08:17
to the guys that it was... I mean, for Abdullah
1:08:20
Mason, that's a really good step up early in
1:08:23
his career. Because Williams had paid a problem
1:08:25
last year. That's right. And knocked him out.
1:08:30
Abdul Mason is, I think, 19 right now. And fighting
1:08:33
him at that stage, would have been amazing to
1:08:37
see him knock him out. You know what I mean?
1:08:40
Yeah. I'll tell you, Abdul Mason is going to
1:08:43
be the real deal. I'm banking hard on him right
1:08:45
now. You are right. He was supposed to fight
1:08:48
Cabrera. That would have been really good. If
1:08:53
he won, of course. It's boxing, so you never
1:08:55
know. But it is Giovanni Cabrera. Ornelas isn't
1:09:02
terrible. I don't recognize his name. Never fought
1:09:09
outside of Mexico, but considering how big Mexico
1:09:12
is, doesn't really... Yeah, that doesn't mean
1:09:17
as much as never fighting outside of Australia
1:09:20
or Thailand or something. Yeah, it's different.
1:09:25
He's okay. He probably has good pop. Yeah. Right.
1:09:33
Depends why, I don't know. Four losses, three
1:09:38
losses by KO. He's 15 for 28 on stoppages. Okay.
1:09:48
I kind of expect Abdullah to knock him out. Yeah,
1:09:52
that's what I'm expecting as well. Pretty easily
1:09:55
as well. It's all right. Abdullah Mason looking
1:09:58
awesome is always a good thing in my book. Okay,
1:10:03
help me out with Spanish again. So Carlos Ornelas,
1:10:08
his alias is Chinito. Because in Japanese, chin
1:10:13
means penis. So that's a little penis if I mix
1:10:17
my two languages together. I'm going to be able
1:10:20
to bleep myself on this. So El Chinito is like
1:10:23
calling somebody like the little Chinese person,
1:10:25
the little ****. Because they got almond eyes.
1:10:28
That was my other guess. He does. That's all
1:10:31
it is. Take a distinctive feature and make it
1:10:36
your nickname. That's getting on the Patreon
1:10:38
right there. Yeah. It's the only place you'll
1:10:41
hear that. It just made me laugh because in Japanese,
1:10:46
chin is penis. Yes. So, small penis. I'm going
1:10:50
to use that with my Japanese friend. Well, the
1:10:54
Ito is Spanish, though, so he probably won't
1:10:56
get it. Oh, that's a lot of good boxing talk
1:11:03
right there. Yeah, I know. We'll see how much
1:11:05
of that ends up. Sorry. No, it's fine. We can
1:11:07
get back on topic. Richard Torres. No, I like
1:11:10
his dick talk. It's nice. After doing that one
1:11:18
and a half hours of boxing talk, you have some
1:11:20
willy talk. Willie Pep. Willie Pep. There you
1:11:26
go. There you go. All right. It's fucking Richard
1:11:31
Torres versus Guido Vianello in the main event.
1:11:36
It's a 10 -rounder. How quickly does Richard
1:11:41
Torres stop him? I'm banking on a stoppage, and
1:11:46
I'm thinking it's going to be a bit late. I was
1:11:49
just thinking five. Yeah. Fifth round. I'm going
1:11:53
to bet on it goes to Decision. Wow. Not because
1:11:58
he's not good, but I don't know. Isn't the guy
1:12:03
ranked on BoxRec like 78? Guido? Yeah, Guido.
1:12:09
You might look on his BoxRec. He's ranked 78.
1:12:15
You might have the wrong Guido. Yeah, he's 25.
1:12:20
Oh, he's 25? Yeah. Oh, shit. It's even crazier.
1:12:23
Richard Torres is... What's his record, then?
1:12:25
He is 13 -2 -1. Okay, well, how did he lose the
1:12:31
two times? One by knockout, one by split decision.
1:12:36
It was a close decision to FA at Jogba. Oh. Oh,
1:12:40
okay. No, I'd say it's probably a different Guido,
1:12:42
then. There is a surprising amount of Guidos
1:12:46
that box. Yeah. I did not know it was a name.
1:12:50
I didn't either. Until recently. Like, I always
1:12:52
heard it as a slur. But it's just a first name
1:12:55
in Italy. We do. Yeah. In North America, it's
1:13:00
a slur. In Italy, it's a first name. Like, a
1:13:02
very common first name. Yeah. Like, calling all
1:13:06
Mexicans Jose, I guess. That's like cat by family
1:13:10
right there, though. Just saying. Richard Torres,
1:13:17
12 -2 -0. Of those 12 wins, 11 by knockout. Some
1:13:24
of them have been against scrubbity scrubs. Most
1:13:29
of them have been against pretty scrubs. Yeah.
1:13:31
One of them is going to be fighting Wilder. Who's
1:13:35
fighting Wilder? Henderson? I don't know who
1:13:42
it is, but it's nobody that they kind of dug
1:13:45
up for him. Yeah. I mean, that's how Wilder's
1:13:49
doing with that. I don't know if Richard Torres
1:13:53
is going to be among the elite, but he'll be
1:13:57
in the contention for the title every now and
1:14:00
then, probably in the future. I like Richard
1:14:03
Torres. I do, too. I like him, too. He's a pretty
1:14:06
good guy. I follow him on Instagram. He seems
1:14:10
nice. Yeah. He takes dance lessons. It's very
1:14:14
cute. Tap recitals. Every once in a while, he
1:14:21
puts up videos of him practicing his tap dancing.
1:14:24
You know who else was a tap dancer? Gregory Robinson.
1:14:27
Really? Tap? Yeah. I didn't know that. I always
1:14:32
say the Cubans have such nice footwork because
1:14:34
they do salsa. Salsa is some complicated footwork.
1:14:38
Yeah, that's pretty good reasoning right there.
1:14:42
Richard Torres looks like you could place him
1:14:43
in the late 80s, early 90s and put him against
1:14:45
George Foreman. Yep, 100%. I don't know, it just
1:14:49
reminds me of that every time I see him. He looks
1:14:51
like a typical, like, top -ranked 90s fighter.
1:14:55
He kind of looks like a bunch of my dad's friends
1:14:58
in the 80s. Like, you could sepia him a little
1:15:03
and put him in those pictures. It would be perfect.
1:15:06
He needs to buy bell bottoms. So, like, 80s brown
1:15:14
bell bottoms with, like, a jacket and shit. Be
1:15:19
good. Well, anything more for the ape day? I'm
1:15:25
excited. I'm going to have to stay awake from,
1:15:27
like, 2 a .m. to fucking 2 p .m., though, which
1:15:32
is hard. Worth it. Worth it. I guess. I'll do
1:15:37
it, but it's hard for me. I'm old. Oh, speaking
1:15:41
of staying up all night, I just got a text from
1:15:45
my Japanese, my old man, Japan Bar, and they're
1:15:50
like, okay, guys, there's times for the Inoue
1:15:55
fights in May. Who wants a seat? I was like,
1:15:58
Jesus fuck. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I already saved
1:16:03
a seat. so i'm good but and they're like yeah
1:16:07
usual time which i think the usual time american
1:16:09
cards usually start about 2 a .m here so i'm
1:16:13
just gonna have to go to tokyo and spend the
1:16:16
night at the bar oh no it's a whole night yeah
1:16:22
being away from my own bed overnight it's not
1:16:26
very fun And then you got to ride that first
1:16:29
train with all the super drunk kids on Sunday
1:16:33
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1:18:00
into Ape Day. Parting words. Is the weather getting
1:18:08
nice in America yet? Is it warming up? It's getting...
1:18:11
It's already starting to become insufferable
1:18:14
here. But I also... You're in Arizona. Yeah,
1:18:19
it's also getting warm here. Where am I? It's
1:18:23
pretty cold. Go do something outside is my parting
1:18:28
words. Go for a walk. I'm gonna go cook outside
1:18:31
again. That's what I'm gonna do. Are you cooking
1:18:36
ramen? No, not this time. Setting you up for
1:18:40
an advertisement slot. Yeah, I do use the products
1:18:45
that I advertise. That's the whole fucking point.
1:18:47
You're so bad at these, Leo. I know. I set you
1:18:50
up all the time. Oh, well, let me hold up the
1:18:53
bag that I just so happen to have with me. You
1:18:55
can use the dried egg and the beef mix, and it
1:19:01
makes for a really good, rich, and hearty broth.
1:19:08
I'm terrible. All right. Well, Alex, you got
1:19:12
anything? I have a barbecue for apetite. Enjoy
1:19:16
it. You got to wait till the following week.
1:19:18
Oh, it's coming up soon. We'll talk about the
1:19:23
next podcast. For sure. I am going to quote big
1:19:29
George Foreman here. Heroes always have their
1:19:32
scars. Some you can see, some you read about
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later on. I just thought that was nice. We haven't
1:19:40
had a memorial yet, huh? Not here. Oh, shit.
1:19:47
Rest in peace, Big Torch Foreman. You know. He
1:19:52
was one of the greatest of all time. He really
1:19:54
was. Here's another good one that I found of
1:20:00
his just now. Sure, the fight was fixed. I fixed
1:20:04
it with the right hand. Fucking baller ass. That
1:20:09
was good. I think George has some great one -liners.
1:20:13
Oh, yeah. All right. Well, with that, we're out
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of here. See you next time. Bye. welcome to the
1:20:34
fucking show all right just a quick blurb uh
1:20:37
just so you can get back to what you were doing
1:20:39
uh why would a boxing fan let's just let's assume
1:20:45
assume they're like a purist or some shit why
1:20:48
would they want to watch mma why would they want
1:20:51
to listen to an mma show i'm going to come out
1:20:54
this from sort of like a primal level so i will
1:20:58
admit there are like some very unique and like
1:21:02
stark differences between mma and boxing and
1:21:06
it seems like one of the main things that uh
1:21:08
keeps boxing fans away from mma is the grappling
1:21:12
aspect and yes sometimes it can be you know a
1:21:16
lay and pray uh type of fight and it can get
1:21:19
old but man like it's just instinctual man some
1:21:24
of these people the way they find an mma Is just
1:21:28
brutal. And I feel like that's what it comes
1:21:29
down to. When it comes to being a combat fan.
1:21:31
A combat sports fan. I mean. We saw just recently.
1:21:38
Mauricio Rufi. Versus Bobby Green. Spinning back.
1:21:42
Or spinning a wheel kick. Man. I mean they went
1:21:48
viral. And it's something that everyone can appreciate.
1:21:50
Even boxing fans. I know a few. I have a few
1:21:53
friends that are boxing fans. who I sent him
1:21:57
that clip. I mean, and they were amazed. One
1:22:01
even told me that they wish they would have seen
1:22:03
it live because seeing that type of stuff live
1:22:07
just elicits a euphoric feeling that you can't
1:22:12
get. I mean, it happens in boxing, too, whenever
1:22:14
you see an amazing fight. But I just got to say,
1:22:17
in MMA, you get those type of fights as well,
1:22:22
just in a different type. It's different, but
1:22:25
sort of the same. It's sort of weird how I describe
1:22:29
it, but it's different, but the same. It comes
1:22:32
down to that same like carnal or primal instinct
1:22:34
of just like fights. Yeah, I always think like
1:22:39
the biggest, the easiest transition that I always
1:22:43
recommend, I say this all the time on Ultimate
1:22:45
Fucking Casuals, is if you're not too keen on
1:22:50
the grappling, Muay Thai and kickboxing. are
1:22:55
exactly where you want to start. Like, you start
1:22:57
working on the kicks, the elbows, the knees,
1:23:00
all that stuff, and you can come to learn to
1:23:04
appreciate grappling. I never thought I would,
1:23:07
and here I am. Yeah. Like I said, some of it
1:23:12
is very boring, some of the grappling. It depends
1:23:14
on the fighters, but sometimes, man, there's
1:23:16
boring boxing fights all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
1:23:19
no, yeah, you're true. I mean, you're right.
1:23:21
But, man, some of these grapplers, man, these
1:23:24
scrambles that they do, it is, like, pretty crazy
1:23:27
just to see it. Like, you know, rolling around
1:23:29
the floor. I mean, you can see the stuff that
1:23:32
they're doing in between the scrambles. I mean,
1:23:33
it's sort of crazy. Flipping someone over, the
1:23:36
trips. I mean, it can be fun. But, yeah, you're
1:23:38
right. The easiest transition is definitely start
1:23:41
out with Muay Thai, kickboxing, and, you know,
1:23:44
slowly work your way into MMA. And, you know,
1:23:47
this is the thing about the ultimate fucking
1:23:49
casuals. We will let you know which fights are
1:23:52
going to be good. Which ones, you know, if you're
1:23:55
not too in tune with the grappling, we can get
1:23:58
maybe a little tag or a little asterisk on certain
1:24:03
fights saying, like, this is a boxing purist
1:24:06
type of fight. You can watch this and enjoy this.
1:24:10
Like, we'll let you know. Yeah, we always try.
1:24:13
Like, I came into this. The whole show was started
1:24:16
with me. I didn't know shit. about MMA I'd never
1:24:19
really seen an MMA fight in its entirety in my
1:24:22
entire life and I came into this with nothing
1:24:25
and yeah that's where we're at now is like we're
1:24:28
talking like I make sure I go out of my way to
1:24:31
bring up Muay Thai and bring up kickboxing so
1:24:35
that people know like this for boxing fans to
1:24:38
know this is what this is where you can start
1:24:41
all right well yeah that was about it um I really
1:24:46
appreciate your time Thanks, Isaac, for jumping
1:24:49
on real quick. Thanks for having me on. All right.