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All Things Jigger Johnson - Hardest Ultra in US? · Run Mountain Peaks

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  All right, welcome back to another episode of Run Mountain
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  Peaks. This week we're talking all
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  things Jigger Johnson Ultras related.
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  We're going to talk to 50, the 100, the old 100K, the new 20
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  mile race we're going to talk about, is this the hardest ultra
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  marathon in the country? Some say yes, some say maybe.
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  I'll give my thoughts there. And I have run this race twice,
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  so I did. I ran it the first year they
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  ever had the Jigger Johnson, the 50 mile and the 100 Ki ended up
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  winning that race. The inaugural year, Hold the
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  applause, there was only eight people in it.
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  And then the next year they added on the 100 mile race.
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  They got that permitted. I ran it the first year they had
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  the 100 mile race and I came in third.
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  Little bit of an applause because that was the hardest
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  thing I've ever done, probably the most pain I've ever been in.
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  And I did finish that race and that's an out and back.
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  So I've been on this course between running the 50 and 100
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  training like I went on most segments when I was training for
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  these races, you know, once or at least once, sometimes
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  multiple times. So I've been on all pieces of
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  this course. I volunteered one year, very
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  invested in the Jigger Johnson Trail races.
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  I mean, it was one of my first ultra marathon race that I went
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  like to the event and raced. So today we're going to talk
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  about all things Jigger Johnson and I think so I've ran the race
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  twice. I think I'm going to tell the
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  story of running it my first year.
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  So the 50 mile and I'll probably save the whole 100 mile when I
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  ran it, the whole 100 mile story for a different podcast, maybe
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  like a Part 2 of this. But today we're going to, I'll
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  break down all the races, all the different distances, my
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  thoughts on the races, some of the good times, some of the
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  course changes that I feel like hurt the race a little bit.
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  Yes. And then I'll talk about my 50
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  mile run and yeah, we'll see how it goes.
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  So I guess for anyone who doesn't know the Jigger Johnson
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  Ultras, it's a fairly newer race.
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  I think this was the 2025 was the 4th year that they ran it.
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  And it's one of it's one of the White Mountain endurance races
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  and it's one of there's a handful of ultra marathons that
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  are permitted run, you know, as a race event in the White
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  Mountains. And this is one of them.
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  And it is a beast of a route. It's probably, it's got the
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  reputation for being the gnarliest hardest ultra, at
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  least around here, I think. And I think it is definitely one
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  of the hardest ultras in the country.
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  Now, there's different, you know, the 50 mile to the 100
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  mile, we'll get into each races, but it's on the same course, the
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  100 miles and out and back of the 50.
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  And I think as far as the actual terrain in the course itself,
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  like what you are running on, it has to be one of the toughest
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  ultras out there just because as everyone knows in the White
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  Mountains, no switchbacks. You go straight up, you go
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  straight down. It's all rocky.
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  It's eroded, it's Rudy, it's remote and as far as like how
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  technical the courses, how steep the climbs are and having some
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  bonus miles for each of the races.
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  So the 50 mile race is really a 5758 mile race and 100 mile
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  race. I think it now it's about a
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  hundred 510. The first year they ran it, it
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  was 110 hundred 15. I'm on a local Rd. here, so I
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  just kind of got to stare down by that person, but whatever.
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  OK Oh, another person. All right.
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  This should be this should be quiet.
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  I mean, I've been here a while and this first people that drove
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  by. All right, so, so yeah, the
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  technicality, the remoteness. I mean, that's another thing
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  too. Like a lot of these trails on
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  this course in particular, like the white mounds in the 4000
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  footers are super popular. You know, there's lots of if you
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  go on a weekend, you're never going to be alone on the trail,
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  but some sections of this course you are.
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  If you go on the weekends, you would be alone.
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  Like you see maybe one or two people out there when you go.
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  So there's a very much remoteness to this course.
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  Like some of the segments are 15 plus miles in between aid
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  stations, which is not typical for for an ultra.
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  So you have to pack extra gear. You have to be ready for the,
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  the, the terrain and then the weather can change so rapidly
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  like this. You know, this summer you, you
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  can get legitimate snowfall at the top of these, some of these
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  high peaks in the summer. And then it can be 80° and
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  humid, you know, the next day or the day before on those same
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  mountains. So the weather, the terrain, the
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  remoteness, all of these things gritty.
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  I mean, no one, no one wants to run in the Northeast.
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  Like the Northeast is like the middle child esque of of like
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  the country for like trail running.
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  All the fast people are out West.
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  They're in Colorado up high Arizona's, California's like
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  there's not a ton of people who want to run out in the Northeast
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  mountains because they're so gnarly.
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  It's like you can't, you cannot run ultra marathons and run
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  every step of these courses too steep, can't do it.
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  Even the best in the world. They're power hiking a lot of
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  it. It's super gnarly.
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  It's super slow. And the Jigger Johnson itself.
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  So there's a couple of long distance ultras in the whites,
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  like Kilkenny is another 50 Miller that I think is very
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  comparable to the Jigger Johnson 50 Miller.
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  But the Kilkeny Ridge race is 40 and I've run that too.
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  It's 46 miles, 16,000 feet of climbing.
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  It's a little less technical, like it's it's kind of smoother.
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  It's not as steep like it's more runnable stuff.
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  And so the first year when they came out with this race, it was
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  hyped up to be an extremely hard ultra, like just super gritty.
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  And the first year it was a 50 mile race and 100K race.
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  And so the courses were, I mean, similar.
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  The 100K was basically all of the 50K plus an out and back to
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  an extra mountain. And then the 50, the 50 Miller
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  or 50 Miller, excuse me. And then the 50 Miller was just
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  point to point. And I think the point to point
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  factor of this race makes it makes it pretty cool for the 50
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  mile. You start in Conway, essentially
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  you're going up S Moat Mountain to start and then eventually you
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  end up in Waterville Valley across the White Mountains 50
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  miles away. And when you get up on some of
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  these peaks and you can't even see, you know, from one point to
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  the other point. And so yeah, I think I think
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  it's just it is a is a say, super tough race.
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  And so it was cool when they first got it permanent.
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  It was like it was the longest ultra that was an official race,
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  like the 100K. Jigger Johnson was the longest
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  ultra that had ever been like permitted in the White
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  Mountains. So it was a really big deal.
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  I think that first year that we ran it, so I ran it in that
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  group, there was eight people in the 50 mile and then I think 12
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  people in the 100K. So there's 20 total people
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  between the two races. And I think this last year
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  between the 50 mile hundred, 100 mile and 20 mile race, there was
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  like at least a couple hundred. So the race has gotten way
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  bigger. The first year they put it on,
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  it was White Mountain Endurance. This was before Aravaipa came in
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  and like bought White Mountain Endurance.
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  Christina Fulsic and Rimstone were like the race directors
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  when they were just running White Mountain Endurance.
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  And so it was smaller it it had that kind of remote, just
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  typical White Mountains feel to it.
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  So yeah, before we dive into the course, like I said, the first
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  year, 50 mile, 100K. The next year they added the 100
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  mile race and that was like, I think that's what kind of put
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  this on the map, the 100 mile race.
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  So that second year they ran it, they did the 50 mile, the 100K
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  was still a race and then the 100 mile and I think the 100
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  mile got like the spotlight that year.
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  The year after that they got rid of the 100 Ki think the out and
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  backs and we'll talk about the courses, but the out and back to
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  Kerrigan was kind of just too much.
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  There was a lot of stuff going on, different timing.
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  It was probably just easier to do the 50 mile one way, the 100
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  mile out and back. And then they added a shorter
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  race, which is just like people are on course for less amount of
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  time. The 20 mile or so, that was last
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  year and then this year they kept the 20 mile, 50 mile and
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  100 mile. So it seems like they're going
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  to keep going with a 5000 and 20 Miller.
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  And so the 100K, the 100K is no longer ran that for two years
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  and I think it's retired officially.
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  So that was kind of the history of the race.
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  And, and again that first year it was just Christina and R.E.M.
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  running it. And then the next year when they
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  did 100 Miller, that is when Air Viper running the people that
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  put on Coca Dona Javelina, all these huge ultra marathons, they
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  bought the White Mountain endurance races and then they
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  were kind of running the race. So, and I think they really
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  hyped up that 100 mile race because the first year they ran
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  100 Miller, it was 115 miles, It was 32,000 feet of climbing.
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  This was before they modified the course.
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  We'll talk about that. And I think they were really
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  like this. This is the hardest 100 Miller.
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  This is probably the hardest, one of the hardest 100 Millers
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  in the country. I mean, obviously Hard Rock, you
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  raise super hard. But I think if you look at the
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  time, the course records, like for these courses, Deirdre
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  Johnson I think is the longest. So I mean, obviously I'm biased,
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  but one of the hardest 100 miles in the country, maybe the world.
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  So those are the races. And so when Era Viper stepped
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  in, it got a lot of press and more people ran it.
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  So that that second year, a lot of there was a lot of strong
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  people that came out and ran that 100 mile race.
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  And that was the race that I had run.
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  And then after that, so that's that race went that year.
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  I think it was success, success. They made a couple maybe like a
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  documentary in it. Yeah, they made a documentary of
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  it for Air Vaipa. And then the year after that
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  they made a course change. So the third year, which was
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  last year, the road to Mount Kerrigan basically got washed
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  out from like the one of the hurricane storms and it got
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  closed. And one of the aid stations for
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  the race was on that road. So obviously they, they can't
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  just, you know, the whole Rd. was so the whole Rd. was shut
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  down. So they couldn't get any help
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  out there. I think they tried to be like,
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  oh, we'll just have a couple people go out there and you
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  know, the, the Forest Service was like, no, you can't do that.
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  So what they ended up doing instead of having like a 30 mile
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  section without aid, they basically rerouted the course to
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  pop out to the Cank a little bit before the old Kerrigan Rd. aid
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  station and then go through Hancock Notch, come back out to
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  the Cank. And then for the 50 mile, they
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  kept the course the same. So you added, I think it added
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  like a mile or two on the 50 mile and then the 100 mile they
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  got rid of going over E Osceola, Osceola and Tecumseh to end the
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  race. And so last year when they ran
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  it, the 100 mile or had like 6000 less feet of climbing and
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  it was like 10 miles shorter. So, and then again this year
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  they didn't change. I don't even know.
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  I don't yeah, the Carrigan Rd. isn't open, but they they kept
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  the same course. The last two years it's been the
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  same. It's been that shorter modified
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  course. And personally I just think that
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  that was AI. Just think, you know, obviously
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  I ran the harder race. So I'm like, you know, back in
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  the day when I run, when I run that race, but they marketed
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  this, this course is like the gnarliest.
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  It had the one of the most overt like Uray and Hard Rock are the
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  only courses that I really know of, maybe I'm wrong, but that
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  have similar elevation gain, but they're not as technical and
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  they're probably not as steep like of the climbing sections of
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  it. And so they had this race that
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  was the gnarliest terrain and the craziest stats.
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  Like there's a lot of people that haven't run out here.
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  Just look at the stats on paper and see you oh wow, that is a
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  lot of climbing 32,000 feet. That is big vert and they
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  dropped it down to 26,000. Like there are a ton of races
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  that have 20 + 1000 feet of climbing 100 mile races that
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  have 20 + 1000 feet of climbing. So on paper you get rid of that
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  like just intense. Holy smokes, wow factor and so
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  like and just my thoughts are you have this crazy race that
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  you market as you could you could easily that first year,
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  say this is the gnarliest 100 mile race in the country, market
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  it as that. And then they just change it and
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  make it easier because everybody knows the hardest 20 miles of an
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  ultra is the last 20 miles of 100.
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  Miller is the last 20 miles, and they just made the last 20 miles
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  of cakewalk into the end. Like, yeah, it's still on kind
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  of technical terrain, but you don't have big climbs.
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  When I ran it that first year, my watch hit 100 miles and I was
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  at the base of the East Osceola climb.
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  If anyone knows that climb, it's like 17 or 1800 feet in a mile.
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  Straight up rock climbing, bouldery, slabby, gnarly
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  terrain. And then you have the Chimney
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  going from East Osceola to Osceola, which is just rock
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  climbing. And then you have descending
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  Osceola, which is easy grade, but one of the like one of the
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  most technical rocky eroded trails in the whites.
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  And so you just get rid of that. You get people in pain and then
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  say do a cakewalk in like, I just think that's super lame.
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  And then after you do that, when you're over 100 miles, you had
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  to go up and down Tecumseh. Like not a hard 4000 footer, but
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  a 2400 foot climb straight up, straight down, like that kind of
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  thing. It broke me in the 100 mile race
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  for sure. And I think ending a race on
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  that terrain is like just, that's what makes the course so
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  gnarly. And so they got rid of the extra
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  climbing and they got rid of like the gut punch at the end.
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  And why did they do it? I don't know, honestly, I could,
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  I could ask like I've talked to Marilyn Stiles, who's the race
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  director now. I don't, I assume it wasn't her
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  decision. She may have had some input, but
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  like, why did they, why did they think to make the race easier to
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  make the hardest 100 Miller in the country, not the hardest 100
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  Miller? Part of me thinks like that
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  first year that they run it, people were saying, I don't even
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  know if anyone on this list can finish this race.
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  Like maybe it wasn't drum, but so there was a couple of people
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  saying like, I don't even know if anyone can even finish this
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  race in one go. I don't know what the time cut
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  offs were that first year, but and then obviously like every
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  ultra, people surprised, people shocked the world and like I
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  think 10 or 12 people out of like 50 finished that year.
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  But that is a yeah, think about that 10.
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  Like it was like a 20% finish rate of that race.
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  Everyone DNF. And so I think that Air Viper
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  was probably like, you know, when you have something so
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  gnarly and insane, it it gets this kind of good, you know, a
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  little bit of, oh, this, you know, I don't know what the word
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  is, but like, there's a reputation for it being so hard.
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  But I don't think a lot of people actually want to do it.
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  Like, it's kind of like some of these crazy routes in the White
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  Mountains, like the Deeratissima, like FK
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  Deeratissima FKT. They had talked about this
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  Andrew Drummond and Lexi Jackson, who set those records
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  this year. They were kind of talking like,
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  yeah, not a lot of people do it because it's such a big hard
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  endeavour. And there's like such, you have
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  to train so hard, it's going to probably destroy you, get you
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  injured maybe. And so I think if you have a
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  race that's so, so hard, they probably won't, not as many
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  people sign up. But if you have that kind of
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  description of the race and it has that reputation, that's the
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  word reputation. Sometimes my brain will just
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  work for 30 seconds a minute to try to come up with a word.
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  The word before I wanted to say was reputation.
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  When you have a race with that's part of a reputation, but you
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  make it a little easier now. And a lot of people are
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  finishing, like I think the finish rate is probably like 50
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  or 60% now. You get more people who one
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  think they can do it and two are going to try to do it.
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  So I don't know, was it business smart for them to make the race
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  easier? Ever make the race easier?
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  Probably like I don't know that they're very much in the in the
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  like they are a business. And I sure I'm positive that
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  they do the right things like they have so many of these
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  races. But I don't know, I think it's
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  kind of lame that they made it easier.
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  So that is my that is my two cents on the court.
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  The 100 mile course change, but OK, so we'll we'll go through,
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  like I said, we talked about all the races.
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  We'll go through and do a deep dive right now of what is the
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  actual course. And then I'll talk about the
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  course and then I'll talk about some of the times.
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  So I know I said I wanted to eventually do a recap.
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  If anyone's watching the podcast, did you see that skill
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  right there? OK, I just opened a water bottle
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  with no hands essentially or actually one hand, so not really
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  OK, but the course itself. So I'm doing a lot of yapping
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  blah, blah, blah, blah. What is the course?
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  The 50 mile race starts. You go up S motes and I have and
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  I have the distances here. So I'm just going to do like a,
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  a section by section distance, elevation gain.
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  So if you're running the race, this would be a good review and
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  I'll talk about each section like my experience from it as
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  I've run it multiple times. So the 50 Miller, I believe it
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  starts how they've been doing it.
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  Now. The 50 Miller starts on like a
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  Saturday and the 100 miles 100 Miller starts on on a Friday.
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  So the 100 Miller starts in Waterville Valley.
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  They go out to the South MO trailhead and then they come
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  back. So that's the course.
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  But it's cool because you know, the course about takes about 48
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  hours. A lot of people do it around 48
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  hours, maybe in the 40s. Hours is like the most finishing
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  time. So there's a lot of 100 miles
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  going with the 50 miles when they start, but the 50 miles
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  start going up S Twin S Mote. You have like a 2.4 mile climb
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  up to South Mote in about 2400 feet.
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  Like it's a good little climb. It's not a 4000 footer, but it's
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  like equivalent to like a small, like a Tecumseh kind of climb.
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  This climb, actually the beginning of this climb is very
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  smooth, like the first mile going up to South Mote, very
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  smooth, very runnable. Obviously you don't want to kill
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  yourself on that section, but just know it's pretty smooth,
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  pretty runnable. As you're going up the
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  second-half of the South Mote climb, it gets very slabby and
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  there's a couple sections where the the markings aren't super
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  good. Like I definitely kind of get
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  turned around or not turned around, but you kind of just
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  make your own way up the slabs and that's the only thing there.
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  It's a good little climb and then you get out.
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  S MO is is a beautiful view. So you get up there and I think
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  they usually take pictures like that's where they do the course
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  pictures. So they take pictures of the
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  area. You got Conway, you got all the
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  mountains, Shakur on the back. You can see over to the Osceolas
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  and the Hancocks where you're going eventually and.
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  It's just good views up there. Then you make your way over to
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  Middle Moat and then South and then N Moat.
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  And so once you get to the South Moat summit, I think to get to
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  the North Moat summit, it's another 2:00-ish miles.
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  So it's like two 2 1/2 miles of mostly undulating terrain on the
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  Moat. Now, every time I go to the
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  Moat, you're going to move a little bit slower than you
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  think. Like it is very rocky.
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  I think in the whites when you're going up and down a lot,
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  you don't, it's not as hard physically as just going
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  straight up. But I do think there is
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  something to like losing the rhythm as you go up and down a
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  lot. So it's very rocky.
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  There's some like hand scrambly stuff, but it's pretty good.
• 20:47
  There's no water from South Mote to North Mote.
• 20:50
  You know, on a dry on like a dry year, obviously if there's, if
• 20:54
  there's a lot of rain, there's there's water everywhere, but
• 20:56
  there's no water there. So plan to not get water until
• 20:59
  you descend N Mote at the base of that climb, which is about
• 21:03
  like 778 miles in, 6-7 miles in. So no water up on the up on the
• 21:10
  moats. It's pretty up and down.
• 21:12
  Try to stay smooth, keep it flowing and then you have a big
• 21:15
  descent. The descent off of North Moat
• 21:18
  Down, I don't know what the trail car, I don't know the
• 21:20
  trail names here, but down to the river it's pretty steep.
• 21:24
  It's pretty long. And I remember the the year that
• 21:28
  I ran the 50 Miller, it was wet and 100 mile it was really wet.
• 21:32
  There's a little bit of running water on the trail and there's
• 21:34
  some slabs up top that you kind of got to go slow if they're
• 21:37
  wet. So just expect a good descent
• 21:40
  like that's, that's like a 2520420500 foot descent there.
• 21:45
  Now the moats are very popular. You can do the moats coming up S
• 21:50
  mode or up north mode. So you're going to see a lot of
• 21:52
  or like other hikers while you're out there.
• 21:54
  Once you turn up to the next mountain, which is Attitash, you
• 22:01
  are off the popular trails in the White Mountains.
• 22:04
  So from Attitat, from that junction at the river going up
• 22:08
  to Attitash and then over to Table Mountain, that is a very
• 22:12
  remote section. People do not go on this
• 22:15
  section. Like aditash is not on any list.
• 22:18
  There's no, I don't know if it's aditash or big aditash or if you
• 22:21
  do both, but they're not on any lists.
• 22:24
  People don't, there's no like view or like cool history out
• 22:27
  there. People don't go out there.
• 22:29
  You're going to be alone. And it's got a very moussy feel
• 22:33
  to it. Like I remember I ran a couple
• 22:36
  times. There was one year, I swear to I
• 22:37
  smell I smelled a bull moose in the ruts.
• 22:41
  It was stanky, but I didn't see him.
• 22:43
  Lots of moose poop. You feel like you're out there.
• 22:45
  Obviously during the race there's lots of people, but it
• 22:47
  is remote. So you head up to add a Tash.
• 22:51
  The first little bit is there was a couple like blow downs.
• 22:55
  You kind of go across the river a couple times.
• 22:57
  So this is where you want to fill up water because I think
• 22:59
  this is the this is the the only place for for good water.
• 23:04
  And so you get over table, so you cross the river a couple
• 23:07
  times, you have a basically an easy climb.
• 23:09
  And then like on a map, I don't know if the Strava segment shows
• 23:13
  like not a crazy steep climb or like Gaia.
• 23:15
  If you put it in Gaia, it doesn't show a super steep
• 23:16
  climb, But the the last thousand, the last mile up to
• 23:21
  Attitash, very steep. It is very steep.
• 23:24
  Like part of it's like straight dirt.
• 23:26
  I remember thinking like, is this the wrong mountain?
• 23:29
  Like this is way steeper than I thought the first time I ran it.
• 23:34
  So that's a steep little climb. Don't underestimate it.
• 23:37
  That climb is going to put you about a 8-9 miles.
• 23:40
  You're probably at about 5000 ish feet of climbing so far on
• 23:44
  the day. And then from there you get
• 23:47
  pretty much downhill. It's a little bit of ups and
• 23:50
  downs, but you you just pretty much get good kind of remote,
• 23:54
  not super rocky, but kind of like Rudy back, back woodsy kind
• 23:59
  of trails, like good runnable trails on and you head down
• 24:05
  there. I think some years there's some
• 24:07
  good blow downs back there depending on the winter months.
• 24:11
  And yeah, like trail maintenance because like on this non popular
• 24:17
  trails, they're not going to have a ton of trail maintenance.
• 24:19
  But so expect maybe some blow downs back in that section.
• 24:23
  And then you get down. I think there's a stream.
• 24:26
  So there is another place to fill up water.
• 24:27
  I think there's a stream that if there is a decent amount of
• 24:29
  water, it will be flowing in between.
• 24:32
  Add a Tash and table. Then you have a climb up to
• 24:35
  table. It's a very short climb.
• 24:36
  It is pretty steep, but it is like not even 1000 foot climb
• 24:40
  and Table Mountain. I will say I think it's a 3052
• 24:44
  with a view. It's not a 4000 footer.
• 24:46
  Beautiful view. Like I really like the views
• 24:49
  where you're kind of like in the mountain and you're kind of
• 24:51
  close to the big ridges and that's your table is like one of
• 24:54
  those views. So I mean, all these mountains
• 24:57
  are good views. So it's like very scenic, very
• 24:59
  good. And yeah, one big thing I forgot
• 25:02
  to talk about in that section at once, you get to Aditash Summit.
• 25:07
  I think there's a Karen or a little something up there, like
• 25:10
  maybe .1 miles away. There's a big bog and the only
• 25:14
  way through is straight through. I think you could try
• 25:18
  bushwhacking around. You're probably just going to
• 25:20
  get wet. It's going to be a waste of
• 25:21
  time. A lot of people if they're
• 25:22
  running, they're trying to just go straight through.
• 25:24
  Your feet are going to get soaked.
• 25:26
  It is never dry and there's no, there's a couple logs, but
• 25:30
  there's no way to tiptoe it. You just got to go through it.
• 25:34
  So I think the one year, actually the first year like
• 25:37
  that when I ran the 50 mile, I just went through it.
• 25:39
  The 100 mile, I think I brought like trash bags on one way
• 25:43
  through it because I didn't want my feet to get super wet.
• 25:46
  I don't know. So like you could do like the
• 25:48
  whole trash bag technique and like little waders for your feet
• 25:53
  to keep them dry because it's a long day.
• 25:55
  If you don't have a shoe trains like shoe change getting your
• 25:58
  feet wet. But just know at the top of big
• 26:01
  aditash, you will have to walk through a bog.
• 26:04
  And if you're thinking like, is this, this can't be it.
• 26:07
  This is it. So yeah, that's that's the one
• 26:10
  thing in that section. And then coming off table, it is
• 26:12
  a very OK. So Table Mountain is about 11
• 26:15
  miles in at this point. You're at about 6000 feet of
• 26:18
  climbing. So that's a good like that is a
• 26:21
  good little traverse. It's comparable to like, I
• 26:24
  wouldn't say a Carter Mariah, but like at the end of the table
• 26:27
  when you get out to the to the road near the Bartlett
• 26:31
  Experimental Forest, you're at like 14 miles, 6000 feet of
• 26:34
  climbing. Like it's a good it's a good
• 26:36
  traverse, pretty remote, good terrain.
• 26:40
  I wouldn't say it's a super slow, super technical section,
• 26:43
  but I will say it is it is it's a good one.
• 26:47
  From there, you pretty much go into the and this was they
• 26:52
  tweaked it one year, but you pretty much go into the Bartlett
• 26:54
  experimental forest. And so you have a couple miles
• 26:57
  of just like dirt Rd. which is nice runnable stuff.
• 27:01
  And then they have an aid station.
• 27:03
  I believe they have the aid station at this little out and
• 27:05
  back that you have to go to. All right, and we're back.
• 27:09
  I'm going to hopefully I edit this that out.
• 27:12
  I just ran out of storage, had to delete some files, but we're
• 27:15
  back. Sometimes I feel like, you know,
• 27:18
  as people are listening to these to these podcasts, I'm I'm I
• 27:21
  know that there are points where I'm like, I should probably cut
• 27:23
  that and then I don't go back and cut it and it's starting to
• 27:27
  creep into the back of my mind. Oh man, what it like are those
• 27:31
  are those points really bad? Is that are those the points
• 27:34
  where everyone drops off and stops listening and I hope I
• 27:37
  didn't say anything stupid and haven't cut it in the past so
• 27:40
  but no, I don't I think it's fine.
• 27:42
  But we got to we hopefully I cut that.
• 27:45
  OK, so the Bartlett Experimentals force that aid
• 27:49
  station. Yeah, is about 17 miles in, 1617
• 27:54
  miles in. So that's your first aid
• 27:55
  station. So when you start off at the
• 27:58
  South MO trailhead, you got to have, like I said, there's a
• 28:01
  couple places to get water, but you got to have a lot of snacks.
• 28:04
  You got to have a lot of snacks. You got to have all your gear
• 28:06
  because it is 1617 miles in the White Mountains that do not go
• 28:11
  fast. So you go in and out of the aid
• 28:14
  station, you head out of the Bartlett Experimental Forest.
• 28:18
  You do a bit of road running, which I think the first year I
• 28:22
  kind of got yelled at. You're supposed to, I think
• 28:25
  you're supposed to have like a high vis vest on.
• 28:27
  And I, I, I took my momma's high vis vest and I think it was like
• 28:33
  white. It was like a white, like it's
• 28:35
  like a thing at night. So it's like reflective, but it
• 28:38
  was white. And I, I think that they really,
• 28:41
  they wanted a yellow or some sort of like bright color that I
• 28:45
  guess I just didn't compute in my head that like white is not a
• 28:48
  daytime hi viz. And I think I yelled at and I
• 28:52
  think there was like some cop the first year that said, Hey,
• 28:54
  they all need to have things. And I think that was me, so I
• 28:57
  apologize, I didn't read the rules exactly.
• 29:00
  But so get your high vis on that section.
• 29:02
  So it's like a section of Rd. there.
• 29:04
  And then you climb up to Mount Tremont, Tremont Tremont.
• 29:08
  This is this is a steep climb, guys.
• 29:10
  This is again, this is not, I think it's a 52 with the view.
• 29:14
  It's not a 4000 footer. But again, this is a 2 1/2,
• 29:18
  three mile climb with 25 to 3000 feet of climbing and it goes
• 29:23
  straight up very steep. It's got some switchbacks at the
• 29:27
  top that are just like Super Rudy.
• 29:28
  You're taking huge steps, it's super steep, and it's just all
• 29:33
  of these climbs are bears. It's like you're either climbing
• 29:36
  straight up, straight down, or running flat.
• 29:38
  On this course. There's no moderate climbs
• 29:41
  really. So you go to Mount Tremont and
• 29:45
  so when you go from the road, it's a popular show.
• 29:48
  When you go off the backside of that, you're back into no man's
• 29:52
  land of the course. People don't really go back into
• 29:55
  that section back there. Some overnight campers, some red
• 29:58
  liners, some really hardcore people trying to get away from
• 30:01
  the crowds. But it is lonely back there, and
• 30:06
  that descent off of Tremont is for me, one of the harder to
• 30:12
  sense. I remember that first year in
• 30:14
  the 50 Miller my I always have problems with toenails.
• 30:17
  Like my toenails always fall off on big efforts.
• 30:20
  I think it's something to do with how I run and how my feet
• 30:23
  anatomy is or whatever. But my toenails just always get
• 30:28
  a lot of pressure on the downhills and eventually they
• 30:30
  fall out because they're like pounding into my BA, you know,
• 30:34
  into my foot on the downhills. That section is super steep and
• 30:37
  it's super a dirt. It's not like rocky.
• 30:40
  So your feet are just going straight down.
• 30:42
  I remember that first year my toes were killing me.
• 30:45
  And then at 100 Miller, I remember I got down that that
• 30:48
  section just on my poles because like my, I could not, I could
• 30:51
  not take the downhill at that point.
• 30:53
  So I was like 80 miles in or whatever.
• 30:55
  So that's a steep descent. That is a steep descent and you
• 30:59
  have a little, you have a steep descent for like 1000 feet
• 31:01
  almost and then you go do a little climbing and then you
• 31:04
  have 1000 feet of steep descent from there.
• 31:07
  You have a lot of very easy runnable flat stuff.
• 31:12
  I think there's a little bit on like forest roads, but you kind
• 31:14
  of are going on these trails that are not Rudy, They're not,
• 31:19
  they're not super rocky. They're kind of like just your
• 31:22
  local kind of undulating up and down trails.
• 31:25
  And so this is where you can run pretty good.
• 31:28
  Like I think the like this course, like I said, it's up,
• 31:31
  down or flat. So if you're on the flat
• 31:34
  sections, this is your time to make up.
• 31:37
  Like on the up and the downs, you're not going to be, you're
• 31:39
  going to be going 234, maybe 5 miles an hour right in some
• 31:43
  sections. But on these other sections you
• 31:45
  can get like if you can run 12111098 minute paces, do it
• 31:51
  while you got it. Like I said in the Whites, run
• 31:54
  it while you got it. Even if you have a .1 mile of
• 31:57
  like runnable stuff, no matter if you're tired, run it if it's,
• 32:00
  if it's not super technical because that's all the, the fast
• 32:04
  stuff you're going to get. So on the new course here, you
• 32:08
  used to just go to the old Kerrigan Rd.
• 32:11
  That's where the 100K you'd go up, you bump out to, they call
• 32:16
  it the Sawyer River aid station at about mile 31.
• 32:19
  So you're 50K in and you're probably a little over 10,000
• 32:24
  feet of climbing and maybe like 10 to 11,000 feet of climbing
• 32:29
  and you come out to the Canc, you ate up and 011 point on
• 32:34
  these back roads. This would be some of the trails
• 32:38
  back there. There's just kind of a a decent
• 32:40
  amount of trails, like it's kind of like a trail network.
• 32:43
  It's not a lot of these mountains.
• 32:44
  You just have one trail up or like a couple trails up and
• 32:47
  that's it. But here there's like some
• 32:50
  trails crossing, some trails going like this.
• 32:52
  So it's more of like a trail system back there.
• 32:55
  And I don't know if it'd be hard to get lost, but I would
• 32:58
  recommend going back on these trails just to get familiar with
• 33:01
  what it looks like. And while you're back there,
• 33:03
  there is one crossing when you're on one of those dirt Rd.
• 33:08
  like Class 6 roads, fire roads that has water.
• 33:13
  And so this section is very long.
• 33:15
  I think it's another 60 mile section.
• 33:17
  You're going to be in the middle of the day on the 50 Miller.
• 33:20
  And instead of carrying a gallon, not a gallon, I don't
• 33:25
  know, 2 liters of water, 2 1/2 liters of water.
• 33:30
  If you can find that little that there's one, it's hidden because
• 33:33
  it's super like bushy on each sides.
• 33:38
  But if you go out there, listen to the water flowing and find
• 33:41
  and mark on your map where that water is.
• 33:44
  And that is going to be a spot where you can refill with the
• 33:46
  filter while you're out there. And you can save yourself from
• 33:49
  carrying a lot of water. Or if you run out of water, you
• 33:52
  can get a drink of water. Even though the Soy River aid
• 33:55
  station is like a little bit closer than the old than the old
• 33:59
  Kerrigan Rd. aid station was, I think it's a it's a worth
• 34:04
  worthwhile effort to grab water there.
• 34:08
  OK, so 31 you're 50 KN at an aid station.
• 34:11
  You head back out, you go kind of back through this trail
• 34:14
  network and you eventually go through Hancock Notch.
• 34:18
  Hancock Notch is a is notorious. I think it's one of the reasons
• 34:21
  to why this race gets a lot of hype or I don't know, it's one.
• 34:25
  I think there's something about it being like kind of haunted
• 34:28
  spooky. I don't know if there's a story
• 34:30
  associated with like if there was like a murder back in the
• 34:33
  day or something like that or somebody got lost or something,
• 34:36
  but there's some sort of like reputation of Hancock Notch
• 34:40
  being kind of spooky. It's in the middle of nowhere.
• 34:43
  It's very like Moosey back there.
• 34:45
  Very you know, you're probably going to run into wild, more
• 34:47
  likely to run into wildlife than people.
• 34:50
  It's not. And it's not super a little
• 34:54
  chipmunk. It's not super Verdi like you.
• 35:01
  It's only like 1000 foot climb over like a couple miles.
• 35:03
  So it's very easy, but it's super rocky.
• 35:07
  It's super rocky. Like the trail is just an old
• 35:10
  eroded stream bed for like 2 miles and for a mile or two
• 35:14
  miles of this section. If it is a wet year, which the
• 35:17
  last two years have been dry. If it's a wet year, the whole
• 35:20
  thing is just water. Like you're literally running
• 35:23
  down a A6 inch to foot deep stream and you're like, this
• 35:28
  can't be this. This is this is the section and
• 35:33
  it's 1 of it is very flat, but it is one of the slowest moving
• 35:38
  trails. It's overgrown.
• 35:40
  It's super technical, but flat, like not a technical.
• 35:43
  You can jump over miss the rocks.
• 35:45
  It's like you can't. It's so slow moving.
• 35:48
  So you're going to be running like fifth, you know, I don't
• 35:52
  know, 15 minute mile maybe being like, how is this possible?
• 35:55
  It's flat. I'm running and I'm blogging 15
• 35:58
  minute miles. It's just a beast in its own
• 36:02
  way. Honestly, though, there's there
• 36:05
  are definitely some trails like in the Whites.
• 36:07
  I think it happens. I think it has to do with like
• 36:09
  your experience out there. And there's some trails that I
• 36:12
  don't like other more than others that are kind of creepy
• 36:15
  that maybe get a little like, oh, you know what's going to
• 36:17
  happen out here. Hancock Notch has never been one
• 36:20
  of those trails. I've been out there alone on
• 36:22
  course. I've been out there.
• 36:25
  Yeah, I guess alone on course in the middle of the night.
• 36:29
  I've been out there in the day on on recruiting or scouting
• 36:36
  missions, sheepers, creepers. Should I even have a podcast
• 36:41
  scouting missions? And I've never been creeped out.
• 36:43
  Like I actually like it back there.
• 36:44
  It's very calm, like you're running along a river for a good
• 36:48
  like before you get running on the stream.
• 36:50
  It's like a nice it's like a nice running.
• 36:53
  I like it out there. And there are some miles that
• 36:54
  are flat non-technical. So you can definitely you can
• 36:57
  move it. And so here's the thing too.
• 36:59
  So once you get up, down Tremont, you have like almost
• 37:04
  12, maybe 1/2 marathon ish, give or take of easy flat running.
• 37:11
  So you can kind of push the climb and push the descent
• 37:14
  knowing like my climbing and descending legs are not about to
• 37:19
  blow out because I, I don't have much of that left.
• 37:24
  So that's another kind of tip there.
• 37:26
  And then Hancock Notch, you're no matter how dry of a year it
• 37:29
  is, there's going to be water there.
• 37:31
  So I, you don't need to carry a bunch of water through that
• 37:33
  section. Carry less water, 1 bottle maybe
• 37:36
  and fill up as needed. I mean, that's, that's me.
• 37:39
  Don't that's how I would do it. OK.
• 37:43
  And then you bump out to basically you come down the
• 37:46
  trail to the Hancocks, the 4000 footers on the canks.
• 37:50
  So there's like a big trailhead there and you come up to the
• 37:55
  Hancock Notch, a aid station at mile 40.
• 37:58
  So now you're 40 miles in and you have the Osceola's left and
• 38:04
  Tecumseh left. Like I kind of mentioned before,
• 38:08
  the East Osceola climb. So you go to the East Osceola,
• 38:12
  which is a 4000 footer. So E Osceola, Osceola and
• 38:15
  Tecumseh are the 34000 footers on this route.
• 38:19
  E Osceola climb is a bear. It's steep.
• 38:23
  You have like a a flat kind of technical runny section up to
• 38:28
  Greeley Pond trailhead intersection.
• 38:31
  That's like nice. And then you just have straight
• 38:33
  up, straight up. It's kind of some hand over hand
• 38:36
  stuff very steep. And that climb is going to it's
• 38:39
  going to kick your butt. But you haven't been climbing
• 38:41
  steep in a while. So I don't know, push it, you
• 38:45
  know, don't, don't be, try not to be a baby.
• 38:47
  I've definitely been a baby on that climb.
• 38:48
  But you definitely try to push it.
• 38:51
  But it is a hard climb. It's only it's like 2220320400
• 38:55
  feet of gain. So it's actually not the
• 38:57
  longest, like highest climb, but it's just really steep and
• 39:01
  really technical. And then like I said, in between
• 39:04
  E Osceola and Osceola. So once you get up to East
• 39:07
  Osceola, you're at like 43 miles, Osceola is about 44 miles
• 39:11
  and then you have the chimney in between that.
• 39:13
  The chimney is kind of like a notorious, like it's a rock
• 39:16
  climbing like, you know, it's not like rated, I don't think,
• 39:19
  but but hiker, you know, it's a fun little challenge to go out
• 39:22
  when you're hiking in, in climate.
• 39:25
  There's a bypass, so there's like an easier route around the
• 39:27
  chimney and there's a bypass for the bypass.
• 39:30
  So it's like three ways up when I'm racing, honestly, I, I think
• 39:33
  I've always just taken like the bypass of the bypass.
• 39:35
  Like I, I don't need to be rock climbing while I'm racing, so I
• 39:41
  just go around it. But yeah.
• 39:44
  And then Osceola, coming down of Osceola at mile 44, you have
• 39:49
  like a 2 1/2 mile out. It's an easy grade, but it is so
• 39:55
  rocky and technical. When I go there fresh and run
• 39:57
  it, I'm like, Oh my God, this trail is getting.
• 39:59
  We need to reroute this trail. This is one of the worst trails
• 40:01
  in the Whites for because it's a super popular.
• 40:05
  Hike, it's one of the easier ones, one of the the best views.
• 40:09
  So a lot of people come up. It's like one of the closest if
• 40:12
  you're coming up from Mass or New Hampshire.
• 40:14
  So it's just gotten super eroded over the years and it's just
• 40:17
  just so annoying. Like so, so rocky.
• 40:21
  There's part of it where you're like running on an angle for
• 40:24
  like a 1/4 mile. It's, it's really not a super
• 40:28
  fast descent, even though it looks like it on paper.
• 40:31
  So you get down that you get to the Osceola aid station at mile
• 40:35
  46 and then you go about a mile on Triple I road and then you
• 40:40
  head up to Tecumseh. So Tecumseh from Triple I Rd. is
• 40:43
  like A2, a little over 2 1/2 mile climb.
• 40:47
  It's a very, it's a decent grade.
• 40:49
  It's like a 17 or 18% grade the whole way.
• 40:51
  It's very like straightforward. You have a little dip at the end
• 40:55
  and then you go up to the top and once you get to the Tecumseh
• 40:59
  at the top, you're so once you're on the Osceola, you're
• 41:02
  probably at like 13,000 feet of climbing.
• 41:05
  Once you get up to Tecumseh, you're about at about 1516
• 41:08
  thousand feet of climbing on the day and you hit mile 50 going up
• 41:13
  to Tecumseh. A lot of people are, you know,
• 41:16
  get 50 in the washer. Like what is this like where I'm
• 41:19
  not even at the top of this mountain.
• 41:20
  I'm done. I've been moving 3 1/2 miles an
• 41:23
  hour all day. What this this race is this race
• 41:26
  stinks. Not, not stinks in a bad way,
• 41:28
  but this race is tough. I want to be done.
• 41:32
  I can't believe I'm 6 miles from the finish.
• 41:34
  That's like the surprise of the it's super hard.
• 41:37
  And also it's 6 miles longer. So yeah, Tecumseh is at mile 51.
• 41:43
  And then you have the granite staircase down, which is just
• 41:46
  like a mile of just staircases down the ski slope side of
• 41:50
  Tecumseh. And then you you finish the last
• 41:53
  like 3:00-ish miles going on the kind of like cross country ski
• 41:58
  trail trails through the woods out to Waterville Valley.
• 42:04
  And then you're done. And I remember the first year.
• 42:09
  Yeah, No, I'll tell the story. I'm going to go through the, the
• 42:13
  kind of like the race results. And then I'll just tell a quick
• 42:16
  story of my first year running it.
• 42:21
  Yeah, there's just kind of something funny that happened at
• 42:23
  the end of my first year that I'll, that I'll talk about
• 42:25
  there. But first we'll just go through,
• 42:30
  no, I guess, I guess, I guess I will say my story.
• 42:33
  All right. We're going to do the story 1st
• 42:35
  and then we're going to talk times and then we're going to
• 42:38
  get out of here. OK, So yeah, when I so that's
• 42:41
  the race and then you go into Waterville Valley.
• 42:43
  It's like the central the of the the I don't know what you call
• 42:48
  it. Like the big Plaza area with the
• 42:49
  pond. They got the big finish line
• 42:53
  thing. You run through it, bunch of
• 42:54
  people cheering you or if you just finishing them all night,
• 42:57
  no one's there kind of thing. That's how you end the race and
• 43:02
  you made it to the end of the Jigger Johnson 50.
• 43:07
  So what I just described was the back half of the 100 Miller, the
• 43:12
  100 Miller, you basically start at that pond, you go out, same
• 43:16
  course just backwards and then you come back and that's the
• 43:19
  course. But OK, so my 50 mile, my 50
• 43:24
  mile experience, I've told the story of my first fifty mile
• 43:30
  ultra marathon that I ran kind of like the virtual one a couple
• 43:35
  weeks ago and then this. So this was my second ultra
• 43:38
  marathon in my first race where like other people were there
• 43:43
  like a race event. And like I said, I was going to
• 43:46
  do, like I said in the previous episodes, I was going to do the
• 43:49
  mid state massive this year. But when I had that year, I kind
• 43:54
  of got into training. I didn't want to go run in
• 43:56
  Massachusetts. I was just every weekend I
• 43:58
  wanted to go run up in the White Mountains, go hiking on the 4000
• 44:00
  footers, run up there. So I was just really getting
• 44:04
  into all the trail running. I was really excited about it.
• 44:07
  And three different people over the course of that year when I
• 44:11
  was running and hiking had separately mentioned this.
• 44:14
  Oh, did you hear about this new Jigger Johnson Trail race?
• 44:17
  It's a long distance race. It's a new one.
• 44:21
  It's the first year, it's the inaugural year.
• 44:22
  It'd be cool to race it. And I was thinking like, yeah,
• 44:25
  it would be cool. I had done a Pemi loop that
• 44:28
  summer and I that was kind of like my, you know, I am, I'm a
• 44:32
  trail runner kind of pen, you know, I finished the Penmi loop
• 44:36
  and I was like, yeah, they would be cool to do the, the first
• 44:38
  year that they did it. So I signed up.
• 44:40
  I had no idea what to expect. I remember my knee, I had like
• 44:44
  runner's knee, like my knee had been really hurting me or I had
• 44:46
  like twisted it or something like so my knee had been hurting
• 44:51
  me. I was kind of training.
• 44:51
  I was, I was probably running like 20 ish or 25 miles a week,
• 44:55
  like trying to, I don't know. This was, I didn't know what I
• 44:58
  was doing. I would just go to the
• 44:59
  unkanoonics a couple times a week and that was it.
• 45:03
  And so yeah, I didn't really know what to expect.
• 45:06
  I didn't know if I could finish it.
• 45:07
  I didn't have a pacer. My mom was going to come out and
• 45:10
  meet me at one of the two of the aid stations and it she she had
• 45:16
  run that 50 mile virtual with me a little bit, but she was kind
• 45:19
  of new to like crewing me and or she was crewing.
• 45:22
  I don't know if I said that crewing, not pacing.
• 45:25
  Yeah. I had no Pacers and so I didn't
• 45:27
  know what to expect. I remember being like, oh man,
• 45:29
  I'm kind of nervous about the knee.
• 45:30
  Is it going to hold up? I have no idea.
• 45:32
  Like 50 miles along and I knew it was a little bit longer.
• 45:35
  I'm like, I have no idea if I can even run 50 miles in the
• 45:37
  White Mountains. So I show up to this race and
• 45:41
  one of my buddies was doing it. This is the guy that I paced at
• 45:43
  the at the hamster wheel 100. You just got his 100, Kevin.
• 45:47
  He was doing the race with me that that year.
• 45:51
  And like I said, there was eight people in the 50 and 12 mile, 12
• 45:54
  people in the 100K. And I remember showing up to the
• 45:57
  start line. My mom dropped me off and all of
• 45:59
  these people, I was very much just new to the sport and all
• 46:02
  these people like, you know, had had the vest and have all the
• 46:05
  stuff and I don't even I think I was wearing just like big
• 46:07
  basketball shorts. I I think I kind of got made.
• 46:10
  I used to just wear basketball shorts when I was running on the
• 46:13
  trails, which honestly swag. I mean Courtney Dalton wears
• 46:15
  baggy shorts like that. So but yeah, just show up in my
• 46:19
  basketball shorts, like didn't really know.
• 46:21
  Like something is hurting me, my knees hurting me.
• 46:24
  And like, you know, a lot of the ultra runners have like tattoos.
• 46:26
  They just look like these bad ass people.
• 46:28
  And I remember thinking like, oh, I don't think I can do this.
• 46:31
  Like I think I'm in the wrong place.
• 46:35
  And so anyway, so we start that race, some people take off up
• 46:39
  the mountain and I'm like, I just got to, I just got to get
• 46:41
  through this. And I definitely start out like
• 46:44
  I didn't really know about pacing, like I wasn't in really
• 46:46
  good shape. And so I just, I don't know, I
• 46:49
  sent it up the first climb and basically over the course of the
• 46:52
  day, my knee felt better and better.
• 46:54
  And I was always like pretty good at down her running.
• 46:56
  So like the downhills I was doing decent at and I just kind
• 46:59
  of felt the knee felt better and better as I went.
• 47:02
  And I kind of, I don't even remember like the whole I was
• 47:06
  running with a couple people and then I passed a couple people
• 47:10
  and then I think I and was in like maybe second at the end of
• 47:14
  the, once I got over the moats at attached table.
• 47:17
  And then eventually I caught up to the first place runner in the
• 47:20
  50 mile, Matt Carbone, who who's a crusher.
• 47:24
  And he's I see him at a bunch of he does a bunch of these races.
• 47:29
  And I think we had met up a little.
• 47:30
  We were running almost coming into the Hancock Notch aid
• 47:34
  station. So like on the backside of
• 47:35
  Tremont. And it was kind of nice to see
• 47:37
  somebody because I didn't, it was a very small race and I
• 47:39
  hadn't seen someone in a long time.
• 47:41
  But I, I remember like feeling good.
• 47:43
  It was probably like 8:00-ish hours in.
• 47:46
  And I remember like, all right, my knee is good.
• 47:48
  I'm definitely going to finish. Like, I think this is good.
• 47:51
  And it was just getting dark. And that's kind of when I
• 47:53
  started going through Hancock Notch.
• 47:55
  And yeah, and the race really went good.
• 47:57
  Like I said, coming down Tremont, my toes really hurt.
• 48:00
  That first year was super dry and it was really warm out.
• 48:04
  And so I remember being pretty thirsty coming through Hancock
• 48:07
  Notch, but finally got some water there.
• 48:09
  And then. Yeah, I remember my mom was at
• 48:13
  the aid station at the at the at the Kank, which was cool.
• 48:17
  She gave me new shoes. And what else do I remember?
• 48:21
  I guess I don't really remember too much.
• 48:25
  Yeah. So she gave me new shoes.
• 48:26
  That was the first time I'd seen her.
• 48:27
  It was like a good boost. And then I went up and over the
• 48:29
  Osceola's. That climb kind of killed,
• 48:32
  killed me up east of Osceola. But I remember I did do that
• 48:35
  climb pretty good. And I ran down the Osceola
• 48:38
  descent, that rocky descent, fairly fast.
• 48:41
  And I remember like being very set.
• 48:43
  Like I was like, I ran this whole thing like almost at 50
• 48:46
  miles and I'm still running, like feeling pretty good.
• 48:49
  And so that went well. And then I got to triple I Rd.
• 48:54
  so the last aid station before Tecumseh and then the finish and
• 48:59
  my mom was there and Christina was there.
• 49:02
  I think that was it for an aid station.
• 49:04
  I kind of refuelled. I was kind of getting like
• 49:07
  getting a walk. I mean, it was, it was dark.
• 49:09
  I was getting tired, but I was like, I feel good.
• 49:11
  Like I just ran down that refuelled, went up Tecumseh.
• 49:15
  And I remember Tecumseh, I brought poles for that race.
• 49:18
  So I was, this was when I was still, I'd still use poles a
• 49:20
  lot. And yeah, the poles, pretty
• 49:25
  much. I remember I was climbing Mount
• 49:27
  Tecumseh on those poles. Another truck.
• 49:32
  Oh, my God. I just keep waving.
• 49:36
  I just keep getting letting nobody waving back at me.
• 49:39
  Oh, my gosh. OK, yeah, I remember I was
• 49:43
  climbing Tecumse on those poles. I was so dumb with climbing the
• 49:46
  descend down to come. So it wasn't super bad.
• 49:48
  The steps are actually actually kind of nice if you can keep
• 49:50
  kind of like a running pace there.
• 49:52
  And then the end, just the ski trails were easy, but I remember
• 49:55
  coming to the ski trail. So you have like a GPX.
• 49:58
  And this race was way smaller back then that the website
• 50:00
  wasn't like as good. It was more like, I don't know,
• 50:02
  it had that rustic feel to it, inaugural race feel.
• 50:05
  And I remember getting to the end of my watch on the GPX and
• 50:10
  my phone so much Mark. And yeah, I get to the end on my
• 50:17
  phone and I don't see anybody. I there's no one.
• 50:21
  There's no lights. I'm at the pond at Waterv
• 50:23
  Valley. I'm at the dot at the end of the
• 50:24
  GPX file. No one's here.
• 50:26
  And I'm just thinking like, what did I miss a turn?
• 50:29
  Like, what is going on? I don't think I have service.
• 50:32
  And I see some guy walking. He's like, hey, are you OK?
• 50:34
  I'm like, I'm in a race. Like, is it the finish line?
• 50:37
  And I remember I don't know who this guy was.
• 50:39
  I remember the guy said it was like 1216 hours plus nine.
• 50:44
  It was like very late at night, 11 or 12, I don't know.
• 50:47
  And this guy was like, I'm a race director and there are no
• 50:50
  races going on. I don't know where you are.
• 50:51
  And I was just remember, just panic because like I got there,
• 50:55
  I was in. I knew I was in first.
• 50:56
  Like I was like, I should be winning this race.
• 50:58
  I thought there would be maybe like a cheers, cheers or
• 51:01
  something. And there's nobody here.
• 51:04
  Am I lost? I have finally I'm on the phone.
• 51:06
  I'm like call my home. Like where are you?
• 51:08
  I'm at the end. Like how are you not right here?
• 51:10
  Because this is the, the end of the file.
• 51:12
  She's like, oh, you're across the lake.
• 51:13
  And I was like, oh, I think I, I know what you're talking about.
• 51:15
  So I end up running and yeah, over the race, over the, over
• 51:22
  the across the pond is where the finish line was.
• 51:25
  And I don't even know if there was like the thing set up yet.
• 51:28
  There was like a couple ribbons. It was just Christina and my
• 51:31
  mom. I don't think they were
• 51:32
  expecting somebody to come in that soon.
• 51:34
  At least that's what Christina said.
• 51:36
  Like because no one had run the race, so no one really knew how
• 51:39
  quickly the race would go. And yeah, I remember being it,
• 51:44
  it was fairly anti climactic. There was nobody there.
• 51:47
  It was just my mom and like middle of nowhere and she's
• 51:51
  like, it's dark. Like, I don't know, it was no
• 51:53
  lights or anything, but but that was the race.
• 51:56
  And that first year I, I hopefully I had the picture as a
• 52:01
  thumbnail or whatever, but Christina gave out these 10
• 52:05
  foot, 8 foot saws for the Jigger Johnson winners for those races.
• 52:09
  So I still have that saw. I've been moving around a little
• 52:12
  bit like apartments and it is kind of a pain to move that
• 52:15
  thing. Like it is so big guys.
• 52:17
  And it's like rusty. It's like a rustic.
• 52:19
  But it's very cool. The inaugural Jigger Johnson
• 52:22
  first place male saw. So I'm going to keep it forever,
• 52:25
  but hopefully I don't have to move it too, too much.
• 52:30
  But yeah. And then so that was kind of the
• 52:32
  finish line story. And then I remember I sat down
• 52:35
  on the in the chair. And if and if anyone knows
• 52:37
  Christina Folsic, very outgoing, funny, like, like she'll come to
• 52:43
  the some of the races, like crash something, costumes or
• 52:45
  whatever, say whatever is on her mind.
• 52:48
  And I just sit down and she just looks at me and she just goes,
• 52:50
  you smell like shit. I remember being like, OK, like
• 52:55
  I knew I was like, OK, but that was funny.
• 52:59
  And yeah, that was that. That was me in the the Junior
• 53:03
  Johnson the first year. So I ran it in 1622, which I
• 53:07
  think is probably maybe like a top, I don't know if it's top
• 53:10
  five, but maybe like a top 10 ish time still.
• 53:14
  So it was a it was a fairly good time.
• 53:15
  This course is a little bit shorter than it was now, but
• 53:19
  yeah, I had a good year. And I think this was when I
• 53:22
  started to realize like, oh, I actually like like that was kind
• 53:25
  of fun. I like ultra running.
• 53:27
  I like ultra running in the mountains.
• 53:29
  And I'm fairly good at this. I want to get better at this.
• 53:34
  And so somebody had said to me, and so after this race, I ended
• 53:40
  up talking with Christina full Sycamore White Mountain
• 53:44
  Endurance, and she actually ended up coaching me for a year
• 53:47
  when I because I, I was like, I've been running like I don't
• 53:49
  really know exactly what I'm doing.
• 53:51
  My knee kind of hurts, like was hurting coming into this.
• 53:55
  And she was kind of like who like, what are you?
• 53:57
  Like, how did you do that? Like, you don't know what you're
• 54:00
  doing. And so, yeah, she'd offered to
• 54:04
  coach me and I, I did a year with her and like, learned a
• 54:07
  lot, met a lot of people. And that's really when I
• 54:10
  started. That was when I started actually
• 54:12
  training running, which was, that was 2022.
• 54:14
  So like 3 was that 2022 or 2021? Anyway, three or four years ago
• 54:21
  when I actually like started training seriously and yeah,
• 54:28
  somebody had said to me once, like when we were kind of on a
• 54:31
  run, he was like, yeah, that that Jigger Johnson that first
• 54:34
  year, like it kind of changed your life in a sense.
• 54:36
  And honestly, it actually kind of did like I I don't really
• 54:41
  remember it. Like obviously it didn't feel
• 54:42
  like a life changing moment. It was cool to win the first
• 54:44
  race, but it wasn't like, you know, I knew I wasn't like a
• 54:47
  super crazy runner and but it really did put me on this path
• 54:54
  of like I am very much down the rabbit hole of ultra running,
• 54:57
  mountain running. I mean, I spent I I've trained
• 55:00
  six days a week for three straight years.
• 55:02
  Like every like I say, everyday I'm trying to get faster, I'm
• 55:05
  training, I'm in the mountains. I mean, it's a huge, it's the
• 55:09
  biggest part of my life. And yeah, that first race really
• 55:13
  like if I just went in there and like it didn't.
• 55:18
  How's it going? Good.
• 55:20
  I'm shooting a little video. I'm just taking a little video,
• 55:24
  talking to myself. Yeah.
• 55:29
  And, and so, yeah, I mean, if I went there and like, maybe it
• 55:33
  didn't go well, I didn't have fun or I got hurt or, or
• 55:36
  whatever happened at that race, like maybe I didn't train.
• 55:40
  Maybe I didn't train with Christina, maybe I didn't meet
• 55:43
  the people that I meet. And you know, who knows where I
• 55:46
  would be, but that's kind of like, yeah, somebody said to me
• 55:49
  once and like, wow, it it kind of did.
• 55:51
  So that the race means a lot to me.
• 55:54
  And and I have unfinished business at this race.
• 55:57
  So let's just say that for the 50 mile and the 100 mile, I have
• 56:02
  unfinished business. We'll keep it at that.
• 56:05
  I don't know when the business will be finished, but it will be
• 56:08
  finished. OK, so that was that was my
• 56:12
  fifty mile race. And yeah, just a really cool
• 56:16
  race if you're into the White Mountains, if you're into ultra
• 56:19
  running, I think this is one of the, like I said, one of the
• 56:21
  gnarliest races. And yeah, I, I, I just think, I
• 56:27
  just think it's a great race. So we'll just go through some of
• 56:29
  the results. So like I said, that first year
• 56:31
  I ran, I ran at 1622. And then Marilyn Stiles, who's a
• 56:34
  race director now, she was the first female.
• 56:36
  She ran it in 2439, that first year, the 100K winner, Tyler
• 56:41
  Koontz, he ran it in 1957. So just under 20 hours.
• 56:46
  And then Veronica Leeds won it in 22 hours, 46 minutes.
• 56:52
  And those were kind of, I mean, those that was like the standard
• 56:55
  was that was the first race. So those were those were the
• 56:58
  times. Super strong.
• 57:02
  Like, yeah, there were, it wasn't big races, but super
• 57:05
  strong runners went out to that. Like I just, yeah, like a lot of
• 57:10
  experienced ultra marathoners. I think everybody finished that
• 57:13
  race. Like Crushers.
• 57:16
  Tyler Koontz, is he he's a gritter, just a super strong,
• 57:19
  great athlete in the Whites. Veronica Leeds Crusher, I think
• 57:23
  she won a big fifty mile. Like she's won some big races.
• 57:29
  Yeah, just some, just some good runners in that that first year
• 57:33
  and yeah, the second year. So the second year comes for the
• 57:38
  50 mile race. Claudine Sousi won it overall,
• 57:41
  men and women in that second year in the 50s.
• 57:45
  She ran at 1656. So that was the the female
• 57:48
  record. And I think the word on the
• 57:49
  street was she took a wrong turn or something like she ran up to
• 57:54
  East Osceola, ran down and then made sure she was on track and
• 57:57
  then ran back or some something like this where she she a lot of
• 58:02
  time was off that time. So she and I look at her, I
• 58:05
  mean, we can just look right now.
• 58:07
  She 2023 finished top three at the UTHC in Canada, the 125K.
• 58:14
  She's won a couple of big races, like super strong runner, so
• 58:18
  it's cool that she came down and ran that.
• 58:20
  But like I said that that next year, I think the 100 Miller the
• 58:23
  second year was run the 100 Miller was like the big race,
• 58:27
  the biggest promoted race. But I will say what the the two
• 58:31
  most impressive times. So we'll do this in order.
• 58:33
  But the 100K mark young that second year in the 100K.
• 58:37
  So he has the course record forever on the Jigger Johnson
• 58:39
  100K. He ran 17 hours and 35 minutes,
• 58:43
  which is smoking fast because the 100K that first year was 70
• 58:48
  miles and 20,000 feet of climbing.
• 58:52
  You go up Mount Kerrigan. So when you got to the Kerrigan
• 58:54
  Rd. you go up and down Mount Kerrigan, like I said, and he
• 58:58
  was flying. Zach McCarthy came in second
• 59:01
  that year, and I think that was the year after Zach had run 11
• 59:05
  hours at the Kilkenny Ridge race and Zach ran 2040.
• 59:09
  So yeah, that's 17 by mark. I mean, he's super fast.
• 59:15
  That was a smoke of time. He had a good day.
• 59:17
  And then Adelina, Adeline Casali, she ran 27 hours in the
• 59:24
  100K that second year, won it and then the 100 mile.
• 59:29
  So yeah, I guess we're just going to go through all the,
• 59:31
  we'll just go through quick at the end of of this.
• 59:33
  I don't even know how deep we are here. 32 OK, so we're about
• 59:37
  an hour. All right.
• 59:38
  So we'll just go we'll just go quickly through some of these
• 59:40
  results and some of the the the big stories, I think from these
• 59:42
  races. So the 100 mile that first year,
• 59:45
  the inaugural year, which I will tell my entire story because I
• 59:49
  think there's more of a story to it.
• 59:50
  We'll just go through the times here.
• 59:52
  There were some crushes in this race.
• 59:53
  Air Viper came in, promoted the heck out of it.
• 59:56
  And Justin Kowski on a rainy, the rainiest summer, super wet
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  day, he comes and runs and finishes it in one day and seven
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  hours. So 30 basically 31 hours.
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  The 100 mile course, which I think is one of the top three
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  ultra marathon White Mountains runs of all time.
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  I think probably Jack Kenzel, the 100 mile will the Whites
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  100. Justin Kowski, Jigger Johnson,
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  100. He crushed that year in insane
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  conditions. The gnarliest course he was.
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  I mean, he was floating out there.
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  He's a stud. I I think I've talked about on
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  the podcast before. Go look at his old sign up.
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  Guy wins literally every single race the last five years he's
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  gone into and if he doesn't win, he comes in like 70th because
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  he's he runs with his whole family.
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  Like you can see it's just like 5 Kowski's come in, they're
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  super, they're like 8 years old or whatever.
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  Super young already crushing ultras.
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  So he ran a crazy time that year.
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  Steven Young, who's a super strong runner.
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  I think he's stuck with Justin almost through the first half,
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  but then finished, you know, faded a little bit, but still
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  had a super strong run. I mean, he's a great athlete.
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  He finished in a day and 12 hours and I came in 3rd.
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  I finished in 3845, so he so Steven came in two hours ahead
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  of me. I was 20 minutes behind.
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  I think it was 2 hours at the halfway point behind Steven at
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  Hancock Notch. I was 251525 minutes behind him
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  and he finished strong and I cratered.
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  I wimped out but came in third. Like I said, the hardest thing
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  I've ever done. I had a ton of adversity going
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  to that race and I just had a great like I had a good day out
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  there, but it was so hard and I'm I'm really proud.
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  That's definitely one of the I mean, I only have two belt
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  buckles, but super proud of that race.
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  Some other crushers came out. Lee Connor was the female
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  winner. The two only two people finished
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  in the female. She came in 52 hours and 13
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  minutes. She's done.
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  Look at her ultra sign up. She's done a billion.
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  She's done all the races. So yeah, that was that first
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  year with the 100 mile race. Crazy, crazy, crazy.
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  Like I said, 50 people in that 100 mile race the first year and
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  like only 40 finished 2024 the next year.
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  This is when they introduced the 20 mile race.
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  I think. Here you go.
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  You start at the same spot and then you pretty much just go up
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  and over the Osceola's, up over Tecumseh.
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  You do like a big loop. Daniel Kurtz won at 323 and
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  Lauren Gregory run at 342. Two of the best mountain runners
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  on the planet for sure. I mean, these guys compete at
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  the World Trail Champs. Super cool that they came out
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  and ran. I mean a ton of crushers came
• 1:02:53
  out and ran that 20 mile race the first year.
• 1:02:54
  Like over 120 people did it, which is super cool.
• 1:02:58
  Like this is like all these races are growing very fast, but
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  Peter Benito, Max Perezik, Mike Conley, Austin Frank, Hayley
• 1:03:05
  Heinrich, Caroline Winkler, Lindsay Wiegel, I mean, all
• 1:03:09
  those people are are crushers super fast.
• 1:03:11
  So that was a 20 mile race. It's cool to see the shorter
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  distance races getting a lot more like stronger runners and
• 1:03:17
  more coming out because I think you can only do a few ultras
• 1:03:21
  really hard in a year, but you can do these shorter races more
• 1:03:26
  frequently so more people are doing them.
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  Super cool. The 50 mile race in 2024.
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  Mead Ben Hammer runs 1310. So this crushes my time.
• 1:03:36
  So that second year, I don't know if I'd said it, Ryan
• 1:03:38
  Grimaldi, I think he ran 17 hours, maybe close to 18.
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  Mead Ben Hammer comes in 2024. Destroys my course record.
• 1:03:46
  Makes me look, makes me look like a snail.
• 1:03:50
  Connor Brown came, he ran 14 something very fast.
• 1:03:53
  Larissa Danis McFadden, if you don't know her top, top 2 adult
• 1:03:58
  Western states back in the day, legitimately one of the best
• 1:04:02
  ultratrill women. She, she, she doesn't race much
• 1:04:07
  anymore. But yeah, she ran this in 15
• 1:04:09
  hours flat. So she has the course record
• 1:04:11
  there. And so the that year, the 2024
• 1:04:14
  year, the 50 mile race got way faster even though the course
• 1:04:18
  got like a mile or two longer. You got, yeah, like I said, 13
• 1:04:21
  hours, 14 hours. Jack Buffington goes under 16.
• 1:04:24
  Carter Tracy goes a little over 16.
• 1:04:26
  Erika Lubera goes under 17. Yeah, race is just getting
• 1:04:33
  faster. Very cool.
• 1:04:34
  And the 100 mile race, Keith Naidu sets a course record on
• 1:04:39
  the modified course. So Justin Kowski was only 1/2
• 1:04:42
  hour or so behind Keith. Keith won 100 mile that year in
• 1:04:46
  3027. But Justin Kowski, I think in
• 1:04:50
  the hearts of the people has that course record that first
• 1:04:52
  year, 6000 feet more of climbing the just crazy weather and
• 1:04:57
  nothing against Keith. Keith is a stud.
• 1:05:00
  Keith, I mean, go look at his ultra sign up.
• 1:05:02
  He's done a billion things and he is the guy.
• 1:05:05
  If you go to some sort of New England ultra, you're
• 1:05:09
  volunteering, you're racing or whatever and you're there at
• 1:05:12
  night, Keith will be running and just be in the best mood, super
• 1:05:16
  happy, super positive. He races all the time.
• 1:05:20
  He's super fast and he's just like such a nice person, very
• 1:05:23
  sweet to talk to. He's just like super positive
• 1:05:26
  and nice and and instead of runners so but he ran it that
• 1:05:30
  next year in 3027 on the shorter course.
• 1:05:33
  Patrick Hallahan. He's like a top 10 finisher at
• 1:05:37
  one of the big two hundreds Crusher Tanner Tanner Honan He
• 1:05:44
  he he is a super tough. What did he run?
• 1:05:47
  He I thought he had some crazy time, but he's a super strong
• 1:05:51
  runner. Stephen Kerr short distance guy,
• 1:05:53
  but comes out and finishes. Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  So times are getting way faster, lots of strong people coming out
• 1:06:00
  and that second year 27 people had finished.
• 1:06:03
  So yeah, the finishing rate was about 50% that year on the
• 1:06:08
  easier course. And then this year, 2025, the 20
• 1:06:16
  mile race, Eli Nixon won at $334 naked, which I think it's Steven
• 1:06:23
  Young. I don't know the whole story on
• 1:06:24
  that, but he ran 3 hours, 46, Carter Tracy 350.
• 1:06:29
  And then Samantha Stiemack, she won in 436.
• 1:06:34
  She's a super, super strong athlete.
• 1:06:36
  I've seen her her name on a bunch of things.
• 1:06:38
  Oh top 30, Top 40 UTMB stud yeah, but she's won a bunch of
• 1:06:44
  races one catamount yeah, they're all sign up is is very
• 1:06:47
  long so fast times there in the 20 and then the 50.
• 1:06:53
  Ben Quatronimo comes out he runs 1314 so he's 4 minutes behind
• 1:06:58
  the course record from me BIM hammer the the prior year who
• 1:07:03
  both I mean Ben look at his he is super fast yeah top three at
• 1:07:09
  canyons 100. He won the cruel Drool 100.
• 1:07:13
  This is Ben. He's done a bunch of things.
• 1:07:15
  He's just a absolute crusher, super fast.
• 1:07:19
  And so he was 5 minutes behind me.
• 1:07:21
  Ben Hammerstein, who me this year, went to CCC and got I
• 1:07:26
  think top 30. So if you don't know, like I
• 1:07:30
  think we talked about David Sinclair, he came in second,
• 1:07:32
  which is so CCC is like the 60 mile version of UTMB and it is
• 1:07:38
  the 100K version of UTMB, the biggest ultra, one of the
• 1:07:41
  biggest ultra marathons in the world, most competitive.
• 1:07:45
  If you come top ten at UT MB, at AUT MB race, you are a
• 1:07:49
  professional runner. You're getting paid to run full
• 1:07:51
  time. If you come 10 to 20, you're on
• 1:07:54
  the fringe of like working to be a like you for sure have the
• 1:07:58
  potential to be a professional runner full time.
• 1:08:00
  And if you come 20 to 30, you are also close to being like one
• 1:08:06
  of the best runners and, you know, especially if you're
• 1:08:10
  young, like close to being one of the best runners in the
• 1:08:13
  world. So, yeah, Mead Mead, who is a
• 1:08:16
  who's that absolute crusher, comes out and sets a really good
• 1:08:20
  standard. Ben follows up with a good time.
• 1:08:22
  And then Brianna Russell runs 1651.
• 1:08:24
  She run this year in the 50 mile.
• 1:08:27
  She's won the Kilkenny Ridge race a couple of times.
• 1:08:30
  She's got a long ultra sign up list, top two in the mid state
• 1:08:34
  masses. Lyle Cordes, I just heard his
• 1:08:36
  name was talking to some friends.
• 1:08:37
  He's a new, he's from Pennsylvania, I think now.
• 1:08:40
  He's a local though, so watch out.
• 1:08:41
  He ran 1716. Taylor Miller, I mean, super
• 1:08:45
  fast. She came in second for the
• 1:08:46
  women's. Jordan Spear, Clark Plummer,
• 1:08:49
  Ashley Uland. These are all the 50 mile, some
• 1:08:53
  of the 50 mile from this year. And then the 100 mile winner
• 1:08:58
  from this year was Peter Benito. He ran 3126.
• 1:09:01
  So I think that would be the third fastest time in the
• 1:09:03
  course. Everyone knows Peter.
• 1:09:06
  He can do short, he can do long. He's a grinder.
• 1:09:09
  I saw him one, I saw him at 11 race.
• 1:09:13
  It was the frozen Yeti Tark race and I think it was very cold.
• 1:09:17
  It was at the end of the 30 mile.
• 1:09:18
  Like you just run until you can't run anymore.
• 1:09:20
  Everyone's just tired and finishing up and packing up
• 1:09:22
  their things. And he comes in with like, not
• 1:09:25
  that much time left on the clock.
• 1:09:27
  He looks at the race director. He's like, can I go one more?
• 1:09:29
  And they're like, yeah, if you want to.
• 1:09:30
  He's like, I'm going. So just robotic behaviour.
• 1:09:34
  Ben Chisholm, 20 year old from Salem, NH, comes in second at
• 1:09:37
  the 100 mile this year. And then Erika Notini, she wins
• 1:09:42
  the 100. Miller this year and 3913.
• 1:09:45
  Did she run the 50? I thought we already said her
• 1:09:47
  name once. I've seen her name before,
• 1:09:50
  though, so strong runner. But oh, Ed Clifford.
• 1:09:54
  I heard this is a crazy Ed Clifford who is the Bubba's like
• 1:09:57
  legend. He ran the 100 Miller.
• 1:10:00
  He ran it at 4123 and I I think there was some sort of he came
• 1:10:04
  in hurting, but but just absolutely just tough as nails
• 1:10:11
  finishing it out this year. They had 27 finishers and it
• 1:10:15
  looks like, yeah, 50 or 60 people.
• 1:10:18
  So finishing rates still about 5050% ish, 5060% maybe for the
• 1:10:22
  100 Miller. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  So that was that was the Jigger Johnson Ultra's breakdown.
• 1:10:32
  We talked about the course, my experience in the 50 mile race.
• 1:10:36
  We went through all the times. Yeah, like I said, I guess just
• 1:10:40
  in summary, it's a beast of a race.
• 1:10:42
  I think it should keep getting pressed.
• 1:10:45
  I think it should be a Hard Rock.
• 1:10:48
  It should be some sort of qualifier for these UT MB Hard
• 1:10:51
  Rock, one of these races. I really hope the Air Viper
• 1:10:54
  pushes it to be a Hard Rock qualifier or a UT MB.
• 1:10:58
  Like, I don't know, they do like golden ticket or golden stone
• 1:11:01
  races or whatever, but the day that they make that a stone race
• 1:11:05
  or you can get a UT MB bib, I'm getting in that thing.
• 1:11:08
  So yeah, it's just an awesome race.
• 1:11:11
  It's cool that we have one of these races that are that is
• 1:11:13
  local, especially the 100 mile version.
• 1:11:18
  And if you haven't do it, done it and you're looking for
• 1:11:21
  something tough and gnarly in the whites to test yourself,
• 1:11:23
  test your soul, test your mountain legs, I recommend the
• 1:11:27
  Jigger Johnson trail races. I'm wearing the shirt too.
• 1:11:30
  Actually, I didn't even say that wearing the shirt.
• 1:11:32
  That was that was kind of planned, but wearing the shirt.
• 1:11:34
  So yeah, it's a great race and all I like I said, unfinished
• 1:11:38
  business. We'll leave it at that.
• 1:11:40
  And I always try to like go down at least volunteer henno bibs or
• 1:11:44
  something at the races. So yeah, that was the Jigger
• 1:11:48
  Johnson Trail race. Like I said, eventually I'll get
• 1:11:50
  to all of the races that I've done and recap all the races
• 1:11:53
  that I've done and talk about all the results from this year.
• 1:11:58
  Like in the White Mountains, we can go through each of the races
• 1:12:00
  like I I definitely have lots of thoughts on all the races.
• 1:12:03
  So there's going to be more of these.
• 1:12:06
  So hopefully if you like this breakdown, yeah, more will be on
• 1:12:11
  the pipeline. If you have any races or
• 1:12:13
  specific things you want me to talk about, leave it in the
• 1:12:15
  comments like and subscribe as always.
• 1:12:18
  If you made it this far, you're a true warrior.
• 1:12:20
  I appreciate you and yeah, we'll see you next time, please.