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Rushion Interviews Emayatzy Corinealdi, Jax Stewart on Hulu’s REASONABLE DOUBT | New York Times Bestselling author, Steve Phillips · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: be seen on the as a powerful attorney. I've seen
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Speaker 1: this series. I'm I'm in love with I can't wait
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Speaker 1: to start talking to him because the character is really edgy,
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Speaker 1: smart and little street in her too. Um Attorney Steward
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Speaker 1: On who lose Reasonable Doubt. She's in their star with
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Speaker 1: my board Michael Eally, we're talking about that relationship when
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Speaker 1: the interview starts to produced by and directed the pilot
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Speaker 1: episode by Carry Washington and also my man Larry mill
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Speaker 1: wilmore So, she got a lot of names in this
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Speaker 1: series I'm very familiar with. She plays the character Jack's prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: who was also a wife and mother who is balancing marriage,
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Speaker 1: kids and a murder trial. I want to ask about
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Speaker 1: that marriage because I don't know if, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know what she's balancing there. Please welcome to Money Making
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Speaker 1: Aaron on Hulu Ema Cornalty, How you doing, Hello, I'm
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Speaker 1: doing great. How are you well? First of all, you know,
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Speaker 1: when when I see a face like it, because I'm
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Speaker 1: a TV person, the TV person and uh and as
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Speaker 1: we go through this business, you know, you know, you
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Speaker 1: have scenes here and there, And so I started watching.
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Speaker 1: I got an early preview of the series. They sent
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Speaker 1: me a link, and I'm watching it, going she looks
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Speaker 1: so familiar, she looks so familiar. And so so I
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Speaker 1: go back to the bio and it says ballers, you
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Speaker 1: know at starting opposite Dwayne Johnson. So you were that
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Speaker 1: representative for the NFL, like Players Association and Ballers correct? Correct? Now,
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Speaker 1: when you when you get a role like that, because
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Speaker 1: that's you know, because you worked with Miles Davis, my
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Speaker 1: man David or Yellow you know, so you work with
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Speaker 1: a lot of individuals who command, you know, screen attention.
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Speaker 1: But you have to make your place on the screen
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Speaker 1: as well, not someone not using the words being intimidated.
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Speaker 1: How do you prepare for these relationships, these own screen
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Speaker 1: relationships with actors of that magnitude. Um, well, I think
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Speaker 1: that the best way that I've learned to prepare it
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Speaker 1: is just by being prepared, doing my best work. Um,
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Speaker 1: doing all the work that I can leading up to
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Speaker 1: you know, the first day of filming, because that gives
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Speaker 1: you a sense of freedom, you know, being able to
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Speaker 1: relax and being confident knowing that I've done my my
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Speaker 1: part to this point. And then once you get on set,
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Speaker 1: you know it's time to play. You know, I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: you know, at my best, my co stars at their best,
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Speaker 1: and then it's just that's where all the fun happens,
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Speaker 1: you know. And so I think it's the preparation is
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Speaker 1: what allows you to have the confidence to just be
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Speaker 1: the preparations just key, I'll be honest. I cannot act.
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Speaker 1: You know. I started out my career my degrees in mathematics.
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Speaker 1: I I left IBM to pursue a career as a
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Speaker 1: stand up comedian. Um so I thought I was gonna
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Speaker 1: be the next Edit Murphrey. Definitely was gonna be the
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Speaker 1: next Richard Pride. And so you know, I found my
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Speaker 1: niche behind the screen, you know. And so so you know,
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Speaker 1: I produced talent Steve Harvey, one of my clients, you know,
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Speaker 1: Steve and one of my clients, and so a lot
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Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of other clients that I
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Speaker 1: have on the roster. But that's that's where I was at.
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Speaker 1: And then you see a talent like a Carry Washington
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Speaker 1: who's directing the pilot, and we know what she can
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Speaker 1: do in front of the camera. Absolutely, what will you
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Speaker 1: see that is it? Is it preparing you for the
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Speaker 1: next move, maybe for you to be a producer or
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Speaker 1: a director, or what do you do when you see
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Speaker 1: what Karrie Washington is doing? Well, it's definitely inspirational, you know,
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Speaker 1: to see what Carry has done with her career and
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Speaker 1: how she navigates her career, you know, and to see
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Speaker 1: her now, um, fledgling out into different things like producing
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Speaker 1: and and directing. Um, it's very inspiring and encouraging and
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Speaker 1: and surely it is something that I would be interested
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Speaker 1: in doing at some point, because it's great to see
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Speaker 1: someone like Carrie who is taking charge of her career
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Speaker 1: and who wants to just do things. I'm in a
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Speaker 1: different space outside of just acting. She wants to, you know,
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Speaker 1: put her hands in other things, and I think it's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I heard the word taking charge, you know. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've always that was one of the reasons why I
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Speaker 1: stop acting. Where I stopped doing stand up, I always
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Speaker 1: felt I was auditioning, and you know, I go in
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Speaker 1: and I thought I killed the audition and then they
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Speaker 1: come back well when with somebody else, which is really depressing.
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Speaker 1: It's really depressing. But I always felt that when I
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Speaker 1: went behind the camera, I felt I had a little
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Speaker 1: bit more control. I felt like, I know what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but but let me say this though, because I think
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Speaker 1: that even as an actor you still have control. There
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Speaker 1: is still a sense of being in charge. It's all
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Speaker 1: about the power of no. That's what I've learned in
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Speaker 1: my career. You know, actors can sometimes think that you
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Speaker 1: just have to take every role, you have to take
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Speaker 1: every audition, but you don't. You do not. You can
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Speaker 1: navigate and create the kind of career that you want
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Speaker 1: to have and know that you do have the power.
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Speaker 1: You are in charge, and it doesn't necessarily mean that
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Speaker 1: you have to, you know, go and be a producer
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Speaker 1: or a writer to to be in charge of your
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Speaker 1: career as an actor. It's knowing that you have your
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Speaker 1: own agency to make your own choices. And I find
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Speaker 1: that that the one thing that I realized. Um a
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Speaker 1: lot of actors starting out, they think that, well, I
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Speaker 1: have to do this audition, I have to do what
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Speaker 1: my agent says, but you're paying them you're paying them
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Speaker 1: to get to the kind of roles that you want.
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Speaker 1: These everyone is working on your team so that you
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Speaker 1: can be the best that you can be. And so
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Speaker 1: I think once we as actors really realize that, that's
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Speaker 1: where the power comes and that's where the agency comes
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Speaker 1: in for you to create the kind of career that
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Speaker 1: you want, rather than sitting around and just waiting for
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Speaker 1: things to fall in your lap and then the next
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Speaker 1: thing you know, you looked up and you've got this
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Speaker 1: career that's not really what you wanted. Um And so
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Speaker 1: there's there's a way to navigate, and it's by having control. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's go back a little bit before we really get
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Speaker 1: into reasonable Doubt. Because of the fact that I see
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Speaker 1: a polished actress, I see a confident actress on Reasonable Doubt,
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Speaker 1: and I see an age actress. Where did you're coming
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Speaker 1: out of high school? Was it? Did you college? Talk
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Speaker 1: about some of the steps that encourage you to realize
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Speaker 1: that this not only was a dream but possibly can
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Speaker 1: become a career. Well, you know, it's it's funny. There's
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Speaker 1: a reason why this is full circle for me in
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Speaker 1: terms of playing the character of Jack's on Reasonable Doubt,
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Speaker 1: was because she's this powerful defense attorney. And I always
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Speaker 1: thought I wanted to be an attorney when I first,
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Speaker 1: you know, when I was as a kid and what
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Speaker 1: do I want to do? I think I want to
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Speaker 1: be a lawyer. Um. And so that was my dream,
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Speaker 1: you know, all the way up through high school and
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Speaker 1: you know, now praying for college. And thankfully I realized early,
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Speaker 1: oh no, you don't want to be a lawyer, you
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Speaker 1: just want to play the lawyer. I realized I liked
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Speaker 1: the power of the strength in the core room. I
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Speaker 1: like the bad suits. I liked all of that, but
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Speaker 1: I liked nothing about the study of law, you know,
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Speaker 1: so before wasting all my money doing that. But it
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Speaker 1: was it was a real dream. It was my girlfriend
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Speaker 1: and I and we had already decided our firm was
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Speaker 1: gonna be core Naldi and Sweeney Incorporated. And I realized, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what her name was, Tony, Tony, I think
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Speaker 1: I just want to be an actress. And she went
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Speaker 1: on to become an attorney. So we both found our space. Um.
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Speaker 1: But that was a pivotal moment for me because I
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Speaker 1: really realized, oh, you like the drama of being an attorney,
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Speaker 1: of being in that courtroom, you know. And by that
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Speaker 1: time I had already always um done a lot of
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Speaker 1: you know, theater and summer theater and was plays all
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I didn't know at that
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Speaker 1: moment that I wanted to be an actor, um just yet.
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Speaker 1: So it all kind of came together once I made
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Speaker 1: that realization in high school. And then from there it
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Speaker 1: was just full throttle, all throttle, just figuring it out
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Speaker 1: from there, you know, hitting the payment, all kinds of
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Speaker 1: you know, classes and auditions and everything, and and and
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Speaker 1: and I'm very proud to put on my resume today.
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Speaker 1: But again it's still it is that community that you
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Speaker 1: have to get with and people the hustle, you know,
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Speaker 1: When did you you know this is what we want
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Speaker 1: And I mean later on you know that day we
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Speaker 1: you were absolutely correct, and I think you for coming
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Speaker 1: to me. And I even told him that gave me
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Speaker 1: so much confidence because it let me know that I
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Speaker 1: can trust my instincts, Um, that I do have the
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Speaker 1: is right, you know, opposite someone who has all of this,
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Speaker 1: this experience and everything. UM. So it gave me a
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Speaker 1: lot of courage and I think that would would be
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Speaker 1: on YouTube or extreaming somewhere, is that that's the moment
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Speaker 1: that we all have in life. You know what we
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Speaker 1: have fear, you know, whether it changing jobs or you know,
10:54
Speaker 1: because you can say that and other people on the say,
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Speaker 1: the actress or actors will look at you, going, she tripping, Okay,
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Speaker 1: she need she needed chill, she would need a chill.
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Speaker 1: She's not gonna be working no more. Because that's the
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Speaker 1: fear of what can happen in any job. Really, you know,
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Speaker 1: when you when you share your opinion, especially when they
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Speaker 1: said that this is how you want to go. I
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Speaker 1: remember I was working at IBM when I realized that,
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Speaker 1: and IBM and I said, when I realized that this
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Speaker 1: is how they wanted to do IBM, they didn't want
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Speaker 1: any extra new ideas. I went, that's not my job.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I gotta go. And so you live in
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Speaker 1: the space where you can't be creative. And I talked
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Speaker 1: about your journey because you know, now being the star
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Speaker 1: of a serious Reasonable Doubt, there is another level of
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Speaker 1: responsibility to come to that. So let's go to the
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Speaker 1: part when they said you are the one to screens.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Talk about the audition process and how
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Speaker 1: many times you went in? Did you put it on
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Speaker 1: tape when you sit in? How did the guy did
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Speaker 1: you get this opportunity to be the start Reasonable Doubt
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Speaker 1: which is now on Hulu. Um, well, you know it's
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Speaker 1: that is it's just another story because um, when it
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Speaker 1: came to me, I was already ready to do another project.
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Speaker 1: It was signed and delivered. In my opinion, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was this was it, this is what I was doing.
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Speaker 1: I had already had a yes, I was ready to
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Speaker 1: sign and that was that. And then my team brought
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Speaker 1: this and said you should take a look at this,
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Speaker 1: and I told them, no, I don't need to take
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Speaker 1: a look at this. This is what I'm doing. I'm
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Speaker 1: fine with this and that is it. But they were persistent,
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Speaker 1: and I think maybe about two weeks or so went
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Speaker 1: by and they said, you need to read this. We
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Speaker 1: liked this too, but we think that this is really
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Speaker 1: the one. Um. But I was gonna have to fight
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Speaker 1: for this one, and I just didn't know if I
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Speaker 1: wanted to fight for it. I had this one that
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Speaker 1: was great, I'm gonna do that, UM, but once I've
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Speaker 1: read it, that just changed everything. I saw what they saw, UM,
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Speaker 1: and I said, well, in me, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: just pull it out of you right now and do it,
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Speaker 1: because I didn't feel like I had it in that moment.
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Speaker 1: I was in a space where, you know, the other
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Speaker 1: opportunity I had was great, and you know, there was
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Speaker 1: no need to have to go and fight for something else.
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Speaker 1: And but once it became clear that that's what I
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Speaker 1: was gonna have to do, that was it. That was it,
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Speaker 1: you know. So I went in. This is obviously during
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Speaker 1: pandemic still, so everything is zoom UM. And so I
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Speaker 1: had an initial meeting with UM, with with the team,
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Speaker 1: with carry and everyone UM, and then I did the
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Speaker 1: first audition on tape and UM in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the audition and my camera went out, bone went out,
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Speaker 1: and I just said, you know what, that's it. You
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Speaker 1: just mess up the whole thing. You should have just
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Speaker 1: been up, you know, UM. And you know, by the
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Speaker 1: time it did come back going eventually, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I finished finish it. And after I finished, I felt,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I think you I think
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Speaker 1: you got that. I don't know. I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: the camera went out. You know, I'm having this whole
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Speaker 1: internal monologue. But I felt like that like I had,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I went to my to my prayer closet,
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Speaker 1: as I tend to do, you know, and just kind
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Speaker 1: of left it there. And then I find out that
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Speaker 1: I remember maybe a few days after that, and Carrie
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Speaker 1: and everyone called me, and I didn't know that's why
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Speaker 1: they were calling me. I thought they were just calling me,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, they did the FaceTime video
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Speaker 1: and that's when they told me I got the parts.
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Speaker 1: And then not to mention, I find out later from Ramla,
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Speaker 1: you know when your video went out, we already knew
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Speaker 1: you had the part. By that time, you know, we
14:24
Speaker 1: had another lesson, you know what I mean, Just just
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Speaker 1: trust the process, trust what you what you're doing. Because
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Speaker 1: she said, yeah, we were all commenced. I was it.
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Speaker 1: You didn't even need to come back on the screen. Um,
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Speaker 1: So that was that was it. That was the process.
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Speaker 1: The next thing, I know, where year enough to start filming. Okay, Loud,
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Speaker 1: did you know a little history about it. You know,
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Speaker 1: she didn't want to be a lawyers. She always wanted
14:48
Speaker 1: to be a lawyer on TV. Okay had a law
14:51
Speaker 1: firm all picked up. But guess what law firms picked
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Speaker 1: out on TV? Um, this character you said, you said
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Speaker 1: you saw it, I gotta be there is a character
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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta push myself. Talk tell us about
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Speaker 1: this character, Ema, y'all ten that you play as the
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Speaker 1: attorney Attorney Jack's as short for there's a nickname, that's
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Speaker 1: what it's called j X on this show. And why
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Speaker 1: you went, I gotta be Attorney Steward Man for the
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Speaker 1: same reasons that all of you have seen the show
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Speaker 1: when you watched the pilot, That's what I felt when
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Speaker 1: I when I read it, it was just so exciting. Um,
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Speaker 1: it was it had a kinetic energy to it that
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Speaker 1: I hadn't felt in a long time. And this lead character,
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Speaker 1: Jack's hadn't seen a woman like her in this way
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Speaker 1: on TV. You know, we've, thankfully, we've had a lot
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Speaker 1: of strong black women on TV, you know, especially the
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Speaker 1: number one being you know, um carry with Olivia Pope.
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Speaker 1: But what what happened We've had quite a few, Um, but
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Speaker 1: Jack's is very different. Jack stands in a league of
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Speaker 1: her own, and she's very different from the others that
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Speaker 1: we've had, and that attributed to Ramla and the way
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Speaker 1: that she's crafted this this story in this world around Jack's,
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Speaker 1: you know, we get to see her interpersonal life in
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Speaker 1: a way that we don't often get to see with
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Speaker 1: black women, especially professional black women, who are supposed to
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Speaker 1: be just polished and put together and you know, you
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Speaker 1: don't have time for any of the any of the mess,
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Speaker 1: any rough ends, and we get to see all of
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Speaker 1: her you know, rough edges and all of the mess
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Speaker 1: and coming up part of the seams. And that is
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Speaker 1: what I love the most about Jack's because that's that's life.
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Speaker 1: You know. Those are the women that I know who
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Speaker 1: are trying to juggle a marriage, a career, a family,
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Speaker 1: you know, dynamics with with your parents, you know, girlfriends,
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Speaker 1: all of the things, and maybe not holding all the
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Speaker 1: balls up in the air at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 1: because that's part of the burden of being a woman,
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Speaker 1: and part of the burden of being a black woman
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Speaker 1: for sure, is that we have to keep all the
16:54
Speaker 1: balls up in the air. Um. So we get to
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Speaker 1: see Jack trying to figure out what happens and feel
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Speaker 1: them start to fall. There's three friends of mine that
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Speaker 1: you remind me of because of their life. You know,
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Speaker 1: high profile attorneys. I know, I know that culture surrounded
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Speaker 1: by white men. You know, I want to be partners
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Speaker 1: or partners at these law firms. But the part that
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Speaker 1: really separates is that this is a very sexually aware
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Speaker 1: of character. So who she is, and I think that's
17:25
Speaker 1: what that's what really separates it from a lot of
17:27
Speaker 1: other characters that you've seen white are Black on TV
17:31
Speaker 1: is that this character is willing to go there and
17:34
Speaker 1: when that was part of the script, what ran through
17:37
Speaker 1: your mind? And I'm not saying anything selations anybody, but
17:39
Speaker 1: she knows what I'm talking about. This is a character
17:41
Speaker 1: that understands she's beautiful, understand what she wants. Sometimes she
17:46
Speaker 1: made demand what she wants and she would be frustrated
17:49
Speaker 1: if she doesn't get what she wants and later be known.
17:52
Speaker 1: But more importantly, that's what successful people do. But usually
17:56
Speaker 1: that's a man that's doing it. In your case, your
17:59
Speaker 1: woman to death play on your mind like that? Well, yes,
18:03
Speaker 1: you know because just being a woman, especially again a
18:08
Speaker 1: black woman on TV, we don't get to live in
18:10
Speaker 1: in that kind of space. You know. It generally is
18:12
Speaker 1: you know, the the white actresses who get to have
18:16
Speaker 1: all of the mess and everything going on and you know,
18:18
Speaker 1: sexually free and what happened without any judgment and at times, um,
18:23
Speaker 1: there there's judgment that can be attached, you know. And
18:25
Speaker 1: so with this they're just there's such a relatability to
18:31
Speaker 1: to Jack's you know, um that a lot of women
18:34
Speaker 1: have said that they that they feel you know about
18:36
Speaker 1: her in her um, in her freedom of being, you know,
18:40
Speaker 1: very aware of her sexuality or what have you, you know,
18:43
Speaker 1: and that's what is most exciting to me because women
18:46
Speaker 1: are connecting to that very thing, and that is the
18:49
Speaker 1: very thing. When I read the script, I said, oh
18:50
Speaker 1: my god, you know, because I'm not necessarily as you know,
18:55
Speaker 1: free as that. Um. That's what I look forward to
19:00
Speaker 1: to to to play with, you know, because that is life,
19:04
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we find ourselves in
19:05
Speaker 1: these situations and and what are you going to do?
19:08
Speaker 1: And so it's fun to see how Jack's navigates the world.
19:12
Speaker 1: I love. She said said, Look, I'm free, but ain't
19:16
Speaker 1: thing it's free. I'm not just freaking if I'll be
19:18
Speaker 1: stopping the streets. This is a character I play on TV. Now,
19:21
Speaker 1: don't be messing with me. Now, let's be clear. Let's
19:23
Speaker 1: be clear. This is a character. Jack Stewart is a
19:25
Speaker 1: character I got. I got. I play a different car,
19:30
Speaker 1: different cars. And that's what I love about the character.
19:32
Speaker 1: I love about the fact that you know there there's
19:35
Speaker 1: a lot of mystery with the men in your life too. Okay,
19:38
Speaker 1: you know your husband there, I really don't understand him.
19:42
Speaker 1: I really don't get him. And then Michael Eally, I
19:46
Speaker 1: really don't understand him either. When you're in and then
19:51
Speaker 1: when you're in the boardroom with the white men, they
19:54
Speaker 1: might be nervous. There's a little edge to you, you know.
19:58
Speaker 1: So so if you can and you can kind of
20:00
Speaker 1: wrap me up. First of all, let's start with your
20:02
Speaker 1: not trying to give away much of us the plot line,
20:04
Speaker 1: but all but there is an interesting relationship with there.
20:08
Speaker 1: We used the word marriage in here, but it's not
20:10
Speaker 1: really a marriage in the story. And then Ealie, who's
20:13
Speaker 1: introduced basically in a lot of half of the pilot,
20:16
Speaker 1: there's something dynamic there and he's he wants to leave jail.
20:23
Speaker 1: And then the men that you work with and then uh,
20:26
Speaker 1: you know it's really I would just tell you something.
20:30
Speaker 1: Your skill level, it's fantastic. You do a natural confidence
20:36
Speaker 1: and sexuality that is not offensive. But we know it's there.
20:40
Speaker 1: We know you, BEAUTI we know you. You know you
20:42
Speaker 1: you struct your stuff while you have the ability to
20:44
Speaker 1: do it, but it has nothing to do it I
20:46
Speaker 1: can be me. But it does impact your your husband,
20:50
Speaker 1: it does impact the job, and also Michael Eally and
20:53
Speaker 1: his decision making. Let's start with your husband. Well, you
20:56
Speaker 1: know how to disagree with you when you say, you
20:59
Speaker 1: know that is it's not a marriage. It is a marriage,
21:02
Speaker 1: and I think it represents, um, a lot of the
21:04
Speaker 1: marriages right now, you know where you just don't even
21:08
Speaker 1: know anymore what's wrong. But something is wrong. You can't
21:11
Speaker 1: quite put your finger on it. It's been so many
21:14
Speaker 1: things building up and it's just you you don't even
21:16
Speaker 1: know anymore. UM. And that's kind of what what Jackson
21:20
Speaker 1: Lewis are going through right now, you know. And and
21:22
Speaker 1: when the show starts, they are separated, um, and they're
21:25
Speaker 1: trying to figure out do they have something to get
21:28
Speaker 1: back too. But in the midst of that they don't
21:32
Speaker 1: even know they don't know, you know. And that's what
21:35
Speaker 1: I love about the representation of the marriage is because
21:38
Speaker 1: I think it's very realistic, you know, because you just
21:40
Speaker 1: don't you're you're you aren't quite always able to put
21:44
Speaker 1: your finger on the thing. It's not just you know,
21:46
Speaker 1: you didn't squeeze the toothpaste up, you didn't put the
21:49
Speaker 1: toe down. You know, it's a series of things that
21:51
Speaker 1: have now gotten you to this point where you know
21:54
Speaker 1: you're thinking about throwing it all the way. Um. And
21:57
Speaker 1: I do think that Jackson's um her confidence, you know, Um,
22:03
Speaker 1: the very things that make her the woman that she
22:06
Speaker 1: is in her career can kind of cause a bit
22:09
Speaker 1: of friction in her marriage, you know, because she's she
22:12
Speaker 1: can just steamroll and go, you know, straight ahead and
22:16
Speaker 1: not realize that she may be hurting people in the process. Um.
22:20
Speaker 1: And I think as it pertends to to to damon
22:23
Speaker 1: you know, that's a relationship where you know, professionally, UM,
22:27
Speaker 1: they have this this history, you know, and you start
22:30
Speaker 1: to see over the course of the show, UM, a
22:32
Speaker 1: lot of different things come out that are informing um
22:37
Speaker 1: who they are where they are now. UM. So I'm
22:40
Speaker 1: just gonna leave the demon one right there I'll tell
22:44
Speaker 1: you something, my fans. I'm telling fans, listen to me
22:46
Speaker 1: now when you watch reasonable doubts starting emmy, I'll take carnality.
22:52
Speaker 1: It's oh, Lou, you're gone. The pilot probably the second
22:54
Speaker 1: episode would probably have air, um where where for four
22:58
Speaker 1: episodes right now? Apologists, right, that's correct, And uh, I
23:02
Speaker 1: just I just saw that. They just sent them all
23:04
Speaker 1: to me and so I'm just watching them. So I
23:06
Speaker 1: don't know when they're aired or not, but just don't
23:08
Speaker 1: currently on Hulu right now streaming now. The marriage, I
23:14
Speaker 1: want you to tell me what y'all think of that marriage? Okay,
23:17
Speaker 1: I want y'all tell I want y'all tell, tell Emma,
23:20
Speaker 1: y'all on on on social media, what y'all think of
23:22
Speaker 1: that man's isn't a traditional marriage? Isn't a typical marriage
23:25
Speaker 1: like you just exposed to us on our show? Rishan said, maybe.
23:32
Speaker 1: But more importantly, you, my friend, are a star. Let
23:37
Speaker 1: me go. Let me gonna get your flowers. Okay, get
23:39
Speaker 1: your flowers. I can't take my eyes off on your
23:42
Speaker 1: on screen. That's a positive. I don't know who you are,
23:45
Speaker 1: and that's a mystery to the character. When I say
23:47
Speaker 1: that that's a good thing because I don't know where
23:49
Speaker 1: you're going sometimes, you know, I feel that your character
23:52
Speaker 1: exudes confidence and can intimidate what you support the character
23:55
Speaker 1: is supposed to do. When you're certain environments and they
23:58
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to you, are you there and
24:00
Speaker 1: you and feel compromised because women have been talking in
24:03
Speaker 1: a certain way in the boys club, not to have
24:06
Speaker 1: a powerful female in the room, and they don't want
24:08
Speaker 1: to always talk like they want to talk in the
24:10
Speaker 1: boys club. But what you're doing is changing television in
24:14
Speaker 1: a good way. And uh, I can all I can
24:16
Speaker 1: say is being the star reasonable doubt, working with a
24:19
Speaker 1: good friend of mine Michael Eally, directed and produced by
24:23
Speaker 1: Kara Washington Larry Willmore. You're surrounded by talent that people
24:26
Speaker 1: who have a history of creative success, and you just
24:30
Speaker 1: shining life for the next level of stars. Uh, not
24:33
Speaker 1: only with your skin tone, I don't know what your
24:35
Speaker 1: your talent, but not only with the ability to be
24:37
Speaker 1: able to communicate. Do not stop and keep growing your brand.
24:42
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Well, I appreciate
24:44
Speaker 1: more that I can get to watch you and streaming Hulu.
24:47
Speaker 1: She said my name correctly. I said her name colors. Y'all,
24:51
Speaker 1: I think I think we want on this show, right.
24:54
Speaker 1: We really did so again Hulu, reasonable doubts start and
24:59
Speaker 1: y'alls a carnaldy and my boy Michael ellis coming in.
25:03
Speaker 1: He's coming in strong. He's coming to Strong and I
25:05
Speaker 1: work with him and he did my two of my
25:06
Speaker 1: movies Thinking like a Man, Thinking like Man too. That's
25:09
Speaker 1: our history. So y'all, you keep winning. We're talking soon, okay,
25:12
Speaker 1: keep being the star. Bye, Thank you and thank you
25:15
Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass. We'll be right
25:18
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Speaker 1: This week, I Said That With comedian actress host producer
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Speaker 1: Arthur Kim Whitley. She explains why it is important to
25:39
Speaker 1: make sure you feel good inside and out. I'm a
25:43
Speaker 1: firm I'm a really really firm believer in how you
25:45
Speaker 1: feel on the inside will come out on the outside.
25:48
Speaker 1: A lot of water is what they really make you drink.
25:52
Speaker 1: You stay hydrated, skin is gonna look good. Being happy
25:55
Speaker 1: on the inside. Um, I think it comes out because
25:57
Speaker 1: people are always like, You're always so happy. You try
26:00
Speaker 1: to maintain that because I like to be an inspiration
26:03
Speaker 1: to so many people. And when I look good and
26:06
Speaker 1: feel good, then I'm even happier. You know. It's it's
26:09
Speaker 1: an up and down thing. You know. Even if I
26:11
Speaker 1: lost through the college, you know, I might have gained
26:13
Speaker 1: something back right now, and now it's just I get
26:15
Speaker 1: back on the journey. I mean, I never stopped. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this four interview with Kim Whitley. It's available on
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26:23
Speaker 1: Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. My guest is Steve Phillips.
26:29
Speaker 1: He is a New York Times bestselling author, columnist, and
26:32
Speaker 1: leading national political thought leader, and that's why he's on
26:36
Speaker 1: the show. He is the author of New York Times
26:38
Speaker 1: and Washington Post bestselling Brown is the New White How
26:42
Speaker 1: the Demographics Revolution has created a New American Majority. He's
26:46
Speaker 1: on the show discuss his new book, How We Win
26:49
Speaker 1: the Civil War? How We Win the Civil War? Does
26:52
Speaker 1: that sound time? I think so? The book is available
26:55
Speaker 1: for purchase in storage right now and online. Please walk
26:58
Speaker 1: on the money Making Conversation Master asked the one and
27:00
Speaker 1: only Steve Phillips. How you do, Steve, I'm good, Thanks
27:03
Speaker 1: for having me. I ain't glad to be here where
27:05
Speaker 1: you based that, Steve, it's San Francisco, California, your West
27:09
Speaker 1: Coast guy. When I when you, when you're here West Coast,
27:11
Speaker 1: you're here. You know liberalism, you know they very uh
27:16
Speaker 1: want to want to protect the earth. You know the
27:19
Speaker 1: electric car came out of there, you know they you know,
27:22
Speaker 1: uh right of the woman has to have the right,
27:26
Speaker 1: you know, abortions and all these things are favorably received
27:30
Speaker 1: in that part of the country. I'm in the South.
27:33
Speaker 1: I'm born and raised in Houston, Texas. I now live
27:36
Speaker 1: in Georgia. I just want to get that perspective because
27:39
Speaker 1: you're living in that environment. I'm living in this environment,
27:42
Speaker 1: so really being inundated by two different messages. So I
27:46
Speaker 1: think that's really gonna help our conversation because I want
27:48
Speaker 1: to talk to you because in your book, I feel
27:51
Speaker 1: that it's necessary. The messages you're trying to say is
27:55
Speaker 1: that there's a denial being happened out there, and it's
27:57
Speaker 1: happening out there because there is a white majority out there.
28:02
Speaker 1: They really wants to keep status quo no matter what.
28:06
Speaker 1: And then maybe and they've shown in January six that
28:09
Speaker 1: violence is an option and they will use it. When
28:12
Speaker 1: you wrote this book, what is your perspective? Yeah, very
28:15
Speaker 1: much so and and just uh so, I don't fully
28:19
Speaker 1: get distored in terms of my I live in San Francisco,
28:22
Speaker 1: and I've been out here since I went to college
28:23
Speaker 1: and then fully realized reading the Stanfordshire. But I grew
28:26
Speaker 1: up in Cleveland, Ohio originally. My grandfather was a minister
28:29
Speaker 1: at Glenville Church of God there. My nephew and his
28:34
Speaker 1: family live in Houston, and one of the states that
28:36
Speaker 1: we feature is Georgia in the book, Yes You Do,
28:40
Speaker 1: Yes and So Uh. Fundament I went to it for
28:42
Speaker 1: two reasons. One is I wanted to try to explain
28:45
Speaker 1: what is going on in the US politics at this
28:47
Speaker 1: point in time in this country and to have people
28:51
Speaker 1: understand the intensity and ferocity of the opposition, uh, and
28:55
Speaker 1: that there really are people. And the title how We
28:58
Speaker 1: Win the Civil War is I show try to show
29:02
Speaker 1: that the Confederates have never stopped fighting. The actual civil
29:06
Speaker 1: War and ins and have not stopped the efforts to
29:09
Speaker 1: try to make this fundamentally a white country. In that
29:14
Speaker 1: that battle about whether it's gonna be a white country
29:16
Speaker 1: or multiracial democracy continues to rage. It continues to rage
29:20
Speaker 1: most intensely in the South because that is where people,
29:24
Speaker 1: that is where slavery took place. That's where the majority
29:27
Speaker 1: of people of color, both Afrimericans and uh Latinos and
29:31
Speaker 1: large numbers ofvations are. But it's also because of that
29:35
Speaker 1: those are the areas that also for the most promise
29:38
Speaker 1: in terms of really being able to change this country
29:40
Speaker 1: and being able to make the kind of society that
29:45
Speaker 1: we say that we want to have. And it is
29:47
Speaker 1: places exactly like Harris County, places like Georgia as well
29:51
Speaker 1: as Arizona, Virginia that are on the cunning edge of
29:54
Speaker 1: this fight to make the country finally the multiracial democracy
29:58
Speaker 1: that uh IT professors to be. Well, Steve, I didn't
30:02
Speaker 1: want to like to say that that that was your
30:04
Speaker 1: you were born and raised in California, apologize if that was.
30:08
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to set this conversation tone for right
30:10
Speaker 1: now present because it allows us to have a perspective,
30:13
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, in California, and what's going
30:16
Speaker 1: on in Georgia, which is featured in the book. And
30:18
Speaker 1: I happened to be front and center. You know, at
30:21
Speaker 1: the time this, uh, this interview is happening, you know,
30:24
Speaker 1: early election is starting for the Brian Kemp and the
30:28
Speaker 1: with just Day Abrahams and then the Herschel Walker and
30:31
Speaker 1: their uh Raphael Wanac for the Senate seat to highly
30:35
Speaker 1: contested things that are going on. This really can change
30:38
Speaker 1: the face of politics in this country on this date.
30:41
Speaker 1: It's also how it may happen in other states. Philadelphia
30:43
Speaker 1: is one of the other states out there as well
30:45
Speaker 1: Texas as a central It's a totally different animal. And
30:48
Speaker 1: I I lived there, my daughter went to school there,
30:50
Speaker 1: I graduate from there. That's a whole different conversation. Now
30:54
Speaker 1: when you talk about your perspective, what's going on in California,
30:57
Speaker 1: when you when you sit down, you see politics as
31:00
Speaker 1: they have been played on in California. Well, it's interesting
31:05
Speaker 1: because it's on both on levels and so on one level,
31:08
Speaker 1: California has been a breakthrough. And then my previous book,
31:12
Speaker 1: Ground is the New White I talked about how California
31:15
Speaker 1: is an example of what is possible going from a
31:17
Speaker 1: state that was a formerly very conservatives, the political birthplace
31:23
Speaker 1: of Roald Reagan and Richard Nixon, and had been the
31:27
Speaker 1: one of the bastions of um you know, frankly pro
31:31
Speaker 1: white politics within this country. Reagan got elected in the
31:35
Speaker 1: governor in nine sixty six by running out a platform
31:39
Speaker 1: of law and order in response to the urban rebellions
31:41
Speaker 1: and places like Watts and so that the California has
31:46
Speaker 1: now gone through its own demographic revolution. Californy, there was
31:50
Speaker 1: there's actually a book by the author Joel Taylor Gibbs
31:53
Speaker 1: called Preserving Privilege where she talks about the early nineties
31:56
Speaker 1: in California, and there was an anti bidngal education, antiimm
31:59
Speaker 1: A grace, and an anti um UH three strikes legislation
32:04
Speaker 1: that all passed, which were all reactions to the changing
32:07
Speaker 1: diversity within the state. But we're we've gone through that
32:12
Speaker 1: now in California has an overall very progressive majority able
32:17
Speaker 1: to you know, I think Biden one by like thirty
32:19
Speaker 1: points here in California, Republican has on one statewide in
32:22
Speaker 1: twenty years. And so on the one hand, we are
32:26
Speaker 1: through that initial fight to say that yes, there should
32:29
Speaker 1: be a multiracial democracy, but then we're facing the next
32:32
Speaker 1: level of challenges now. And so we were like me
32:35
Speaker 1: still even on the electoral Biden when we did not
32:37
Speaker 1: pass a ballot measure around UM institutionalizing a format of
32:41
Speaker 1: action in California. And then now there's a lot of
32:43
Speaker 1: controversy in Los Angeles where there's tensions between Latinos and
32:47
Speaker 1: African Americans about who's gonna have which group is going
32:51
Speaker 1: to have more powers. So the challenges of building multiracial
32:55
Speaker 1: unity are some of the things that we're confronting in California.
32:58
Speaker 1: But I do highlight the San Diego experience I think
33:01
Speaker 1: as a real model and example people from African Americans
33:05
Speaker 1: and Latinos doing civic engagement work to change the composition
33:09
Speaker 1: of that electorate. Electing many more progressive people, passing progressive policies,
33:14
Speaker 1: moving more money UM to UH social services, and more
33:19
Speaker 1: socially progressive endeavors is an example of what we should
33:23
Speaker 1: be doing. But I think with California reflects is kind
33:26
Speaker 1: of this next level of challenge. Once you make some
33:29
Speaker 1: of these original breakthroughs, Thank you for responding like that.
33:32
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know are born in an inner city. You know,
33:35
Speaker 1: six sisters, two brothers. H father was a truck driver
33:38
Speaker 1: for third grad education. So shotgun house too, very shotgun house.
33:43
Speaker 1: So that's where I was born, and so there's a
33:46
Speaker 1: lot of people perceive people where I was born like them,
33:48
Speaker 1: not us. And so that to me is always champions
33:52
Speaker 1: the the the inability to unite in communi edication. First
33:57
Speaker 1: of all, you know, you know, you section off who
33:59
Speaker 1: you don't want to be associated with, and it looked
34:01
Speaker 1: just like you, and then you worry about your crabbing
34:04
Speaker 1: the barrel moment. I'm just trying to hold on to me,
34:07
Speaker 1: and so you start section with a group of people
34:08
Speaker 1: who really don't care about you, but need your participation
34:12
Speaker 1: so they can have power. And so that was a
34:15
Speaker 1: signal that I read from your book in the sense
34:17
Speaker 1: of I live in the state of Georgia, which flipped
34:21
Speaker 1: and now it's trying to flip back. And I tell
34:24
Speaker 1: you right now, Steve, watching television is horrible. It is
34:28
Speaker 1: the the the you know, herschel Walker, his wife talking about,
34:32
Speaker 1: you know, putting the gun to his head. He's a liar,
34:36
Speaker 1: you know. You think back to Donald Trump. He was
34:39
Speaker 1: talking about grabbing women's private areas. Somehows like, oh, that's
34:43
Speaker 1: what you did in the past, that's not him today.
34:45
Speaker 1: What shifted that? When? When when moral content conduct didn't
34:51
Speaker 1: matter anymore politics? Well, this is the point that I was,
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make it around. They're not playing
35:00
Speaker 1: of the same set of rules. And so if we
35:02
Speaker 1: were all in the same society and the same social contract,
35:07
Speaker 1: in the same constitution, there would be some level of
35:10
Speaker 1: morality and shame and and and and consequence. But that's
35:16
Speaker 1: not what we're doing. And that's one of the most
35:18
Speaker 1: dangerous things of what Trump discovered is that he could
35:21
Speaker 1: get away with anything so long as he was seen
35:24
Speaker 1: as the champion of white people. And that I recently
35:26
Speaker 1: would a column about this in terms and for The Guardian.
35:29
Speaker 1: In terms of Trump was pulling at four percent in
35:33
Speaker 1: the polls before he got into the presidential race back
35:35
Speaker 1: in May with two thousand fifteen. When he started attacking
35:38
Speaker 1: Mexicans and starting sending the signal that he was going
35:41
Speaker 1: to be the champion and the defender of white people,
35:43
Speaker 1: he zoomed up in the pulse and he became the
35:47
Speaker 1: front runner within him a month and obviously never looked back.
35:51
Speaker 1: And so what and then so he consistently found that
35:56
Speaker 1: the rules did not apply, and as long as the
35:58
Speaker 1: only rule was he continued champion whiteness, including the national
36:02
Speaker 1: election where all fifty governors say you lost. You don't
36:05
Speaker 1: have to listen to that either. And so Herschel Walkers
36:09
Speaker 1: and his recruit in finding again somebody who has absolutely
36:13
Speaker 1: zero qualifications to be in any kind of elected office,
36:16
Speaker 1: let alone the United States Senate. But because he's the
36:19
Speaker 1: champion of the Trump wing of the country, they overlook everything.
36:24
Speaker 1: And that's one of the fundamental messages. I think that
36:27
Speaker 1: that is a reflection of the fact that we are,
36:29
Speaker 1: in fact, in the Civil War. They're engaged in the
36:31
Speaker 1: civil war where there no rules matter except can they
36:36
Speaker 1: actually get power and advance their objectives. I speaking to
36:40
Speaker 1: Steve Phillips, New York Tasks best selling author Brown Is
36:42
Speaker 1: the New White. We're on the show the day talking
36:44
Speaker 1: about how we can win the civil war, securing the
36:47
Speaker 1: multiracial democracy and an Indian white supremacy for good. Um,
36:52
Speaker 1: I wish we could do that. I think that Indian
36:55
Speaker 1: white supremacy is so good because we don't back in
36:58
Speaker 1: the day. They well, who's back in the day, and
37:00
Speaker 1: they still do it. But but there's another group of
37:03
Speaker 1: white supremacist who um control social media, who drove banks,
37:08
Speaker 1: who have always there but blatelyly doing it, and and
37:12
Speaker 1: with social media kind of like flaunting it. We all
37:14
Speaker 1: know that through social media, one can say that that's
37:16
Speaker 1: how Donald Trump won his electorate. And I think that
37:19
Speaker 1: when you talk about the moment of Donald Trump and
37:22
Speaker 1: there and the whole Mexican migration to the Texas was
37:25
Speaker 1: when he flew down into the helicopter, landed and pointed,
37:29
Speaker 1: this is where I'm gonna build the wall. When he
37:31
Speaker 1: said that moment, that was one of the great moments
37:33
Speaker 1: of marketing. And that's when you know what you cannot
37:36
Speaker 1: take away from Donald Trump. He's a marketing genius and
37:39
Speaker 1: he went to marketing instead of running. He said, I'm
37:42
Speaker 1: gonna play on those different people. Now, I wanna switch
37:44
Speaker 1: to another more recent person who made a statement and
37:47
Speaker 1: not a major debate with a friend of mine, Stephen A. Smith,
37:51
Speaker 1: and he said that this moment that you talked about,
37:53
Speaker 1: President Biden says that we're in a battle for the
37:56
Speaker 1: soul of the nation. Biden specifically named and called Donald
38:00
Speaker 1: Trump and mega Republicans as the ones attacking our democracy.
38:05
Speaker 1: This is an important step in the right direction. I agree.
38:09
Speaker 1: I was excited that President Biden did that. He totally mean.
38:14
Speaker 1: Stephen Asmith totally disagree. I felt it was time for
38:18
Speaker 1: the the Democratic Party to acknowledge there's a problem racism exists.
38:23
Speaker 1: I feel they've always said on the Southern on the sideline,
38:26
Speaker 1: oh me, it's all good, we can all get along.
38:30
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Well, I think, but I think
38:33
Speaker 1: what Biden did was actually correct and necessary and also
38:39
Speaker 1: not even going far enough. So the introduction to the
38:43
Speaker 1: title of my book is titled a choice between Democracy
38:46
Speaker 1: and the Whiteness Yes, and that that is drawn from
38:49
Speaker 1: a phrase that Taylor Taylor Branch, the author of the Party,
38:53
Speaker 1: Party in the Water series, said in reflection about the
38:57
Speaker 1: rise of white domestic terrorism during the Trump administration, and
39:01
Speaker 1: so that people would not stand for becoming a minority
39:03
Speaker 1: in their own country. The real question is offered a
39:06
Speaker 1: choice between democracy and whiteness. How many would choose whiteness?
39:09
Speaker 1: And so it's very clear that Donald Trump and Tatanessy
39:12
Speaker 1: coachs is written eloquently about this in the in the Atlantic,
39:15
Speaker 1: is that the essence of Trump's power is whiteness. And
39:18
Speaker 1: this is and he continually displayed it throughout his administration,
39:22
Speaker 1: defending the Confederates, talking about, you know, people of Congress
39:27
Speaker 1: with women of colors, go back where they came from, etcetera.
39:31
Speaker 1: And so the country had a choice on January six
39:36
Speaker 1: between democracy and whiteness, and and many people stormed the
39:40
Speaker 1: capital to stop democracy, and they stormed the capital to
39:44
Speaker 1: put in place this champion of white people. And that
39:49
Speaker 1: the majority of Republicans in the in the Congress actually
39:52
Speaker 1: supported that, and the vast majority of Republicans in the
39:56
Speaker 1: country support that. That's so that's what President Biden was
40:00
Speaker 1: talking about, was this grouping of people who do not
40:02
Speaker 1: subscribe to the Constitution. And we have and that is
40:06
Speaker 1: the battle for the soul of the nation. Are we
40:08
Speaker 1: gonna be a white country? Are we going to be
40:09
Speaker 1: a multiracial nation? And it needs to be both called
40:13
Speaker 1: out and engage. And the irony is that the way
40:17
Speaker 1: to maximize white support in the battle to make America
40:23
Speaker 1: multiracial country is to challenge and summon them to stand
40:27
Speaker 1: on the side of multiracial devices. And there have always
40:29
Speaker 1: been progressive whites who have been there throughout the years.
40:32
Speaker 1: Um but they've been a minority, call a meaningful minority.
40:36
Speaker 1: But as that's what Obama did when Obama gave this
40:38
Speaker 1: race speech and in April two thousand and eight, where
40:41
Speaker 1: he said that racism is a real thing and it's
40:44
Speaker 1: an ongoing present piece. But then he challenged and inspired
40:47
Speaker 1: people to step up and to try to overcome it.
40:50
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what President Biden was trying
40:52
Speaker 1: to do and he's I think position to do it.
40:55
Speaker 1: As a white person. I definitely think that that is
40:58
Speaker 1: where we are at in this country. We'll be right
41:01
Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now,
41:09
Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Well,
41:15
Speaker 1: you know interesting, Um, in your book, you said the
41:17
Speaker 1: Civil War never ended, and I agree with that because
41:20
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with being black in this country. I'm
41:23
Speaker 1: not comfortable with being a person of color in this country.
41:25
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with a police person stopping me in
41:28
Speaker 1: this country. I'm not comfortable, Um, just just mingling with
41:32
Speaker 1: white people. Are walking with a white woman and somebody
41:36
Speaker 1: think we're dating in this country. Um, So how do
41:40
Speaker 1: you so you know we like to see you know,
41:44
Speaker 1: white supremacy in but wen can once start getting comfortable.
41:48
Speaker 1: I would ask you the question, Steve, you know, when
41:50
Speaker 1: do you want transition to the fact that they are
41:53
Speaker 1: not being judged by the color of the skin, because
41:56
Speaker 1: we do every day, as you know yourself, you're judged
41:58
Speaker 1: by the color of your skin. How do we get
42:00
Speaker 1: past that as a race? Well, that there's levels to it,
42:06
Speaker 1: and Dr King used to talk about that you can't
42:10
Speaker 1: legislate um attitudes, but you can legislate behavior, and so
42:15
Speaker 1: I think that's the initial standpoint. So is really being
42:18
Speaker 1: able to build a multiracial majority that can take governing
42:23
Speaker 1: power and can create institutions which govern in the interests
42:28
Speaker 1: of the actual multiracial majority, That we have police forces
42:31
Speaker 1: that are about public safety for people of all races
42:34
Speaker 1: and not about confining and attacking black people, that have
42:38
Speaker 1: schools that are about educating all children of all races
42:43
Speaker 1: about the realities of this country and not whitewashing history.
42:47
Speaker 1: So when we get the positions of power through this
42:51
Speaker 1: multiracial majority, then governing in the interest of the society
42:56
Speaker 1: is probably Obama one. Obama had very little support from
43:01
Speaker 1: Republicans and the minority of support from whites, but he
43:05
Speaker 1: passed the health care bill which benefited everybody. Yes, and
43:08
Speaker 1: so that I feel is a lot of what the
43:10
Speaker 1: way forward is. And then if we do, in fact
43:14
Speaker 1: um also lean into the education UH system and the
43:18
Speaker 1: content of the education, the people understand the true nature
43:21
Speaker 1: of the history and the challenges we face in this country.
43:24
Speaker 1: All polls so that younger people are in fact more
43:27
Speaker 1: progressive by and large around these types of issues, and
43:30
Speaker 1: that they're more diverse. The majority of people under eighteen
43:33
Speaker 1: are people of color, and so that bodes well. But
43:37
Speaker 1: in the in this particular moment, we have to really
43:39
Speaker 1: engage to orient our society towards that population, which is
43:44
Speaker 1: a big part of why I'm glad they did the
43:45
Speaker 1: debt relief piece for the student UH student loans part
43:48
Speaker 1: because that's a key population within this country that has
43:51
Speaker 1: offers great hope for the future. Well, you know, the
43:53
Speaker 1: thing about it is that when you talk about white
43:57
Speaker 1: person white supremacy, what they control the media and the
44:01
Speaker 1: you know, the Obama passed the the medical relief program,
44:06
Speaker 1: it became the Obama Healthcare program, which means that the
44:09
Speaker 1: white supremacists made it a racial issue. They made it
44:11
Speaker 1: seem like it was a black people were the only
44:13
Speaker 1: people benefiting from this, when the welfare program has always
44:18
Speaker 1: been seen as a program that's only benefit minority. Are
44:21
Speaker 1: black people as white supremacy working working working behind the
44:26
Speaker 1: scenes on that not not acknowledging that they benefits the
44:29
Speaker 1: entire country. It seems that whenever their programs that benefit
44:33
Speaker 1: all the white person, white supremacy, since organizations are working
44:37
Speaker 1: in the background and say, yeah, but we won't tell
44:40
Speaker 1: everybody that. Just make it just pro black. Just make that.
44:43
Speaker 1: Let's make the Obamacare just pro black. In fact, we're
44:46
Speaker 1: gonna put Obamacare, We're gonna put the name Obama attached
44:48
Speaker 1: to it to make it really sound black. And then
44:51
Speaker 1: welfare system, let's make it black to all these programs
44:54
Speaker 1: to get out there. You know, they have a good way.
44:57
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the white supremacists that we're trying to end,
45:00
Speaker 1: have a good way of flipping the script and making
45:02
Speaker 1: it black. That is a hard problem to overcome when
45:05
Speaker 1: they have that much power. Well, that's the battle that
45:09
Speaker 1: we're in. That we're the we're in this moment. We're
45:12
Speaker 1: in an existential fight over is this gonna be a
45:15
Speaker 1: white country or multiracial country. Are we going to? Which
45:18
Speaker 1: direction we're gonna go? We had the first black president
45:21
Speaker 1: that was then followed by one of the most pro
45:23
Speaker 1: white nationals presidents that we've had in a long time.
45:28
Speaker 1: He was fortunately ousted. So what direction are we going
45:30
Speaker 1: to go in? And that's the battle of this moment,
45:32
Speaker 1: that's really gonna be the battle of twenties, is that
45:35
Speaker 1: can we in fact enshrine this multiracial majority that exists
45:40
Speaker 1: in the country but doesn't yet necessarily have governing and
45:44
Speaker 1: political power. And that's why I wrote this book and
45:46
Speaker 1: trying to send this message that we have that we
45:49
Speaker 1: are in this fight, but we also have ways to win,
45:53
Speaker 1: that we are in fact the majority, and we are
45:55
Speaker 1: winning in places like Harris County, like Georgia, like Arizona.
46:00
Speaker 1: If we look to those lessons and those leaders, people
46:02
Speaker 1: like Stacy Abrahams, then we'll be able to make the
46:05
Speaker 1: type of progress we need to be able to win
46:08
Speaker 1: this fight. Let me have I'm a whole of that state. Throw.
46:11
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Steve Phillips how we win the Civil War?
46:14
Speaker 1: His book is incredible. Are reading them interviewing them on
46:16
Speaker 1: the show about this book? Stay if stay because this
46:19
Speaker 1: interview will air prior to the midtern of elections. If
46:23
Speaker 1: Stacy Ace Abrams loses, are we have we lost in
46:29
Speaker 1: your mission to end the Civil War or to end
46:32
Speaker 1: a win the Civil War, or to end white supremacy
46:35
Speaker 1: If she loses, No, because this is a long term struggle,
46:40
Speaker 1: and so that we've been engaged is taking all of
46:45
Speaker 1: these different levels. And then we didn't have the right
46:49
Speaker 1: to vote, we didn't have the right to walk the
46:52
Speaker 1: streets free. And so Stacy's is the latest battle in
46:59
Speaker 1: this really four hundred years struggle for us to have
47:03
Speaker 1: h democracy and freedom within this country. And she is
47:06
Speaker 1: all in many ways, Stacy has already one through the
47:11
Speaker 1: work that she did to transform the electorate, that won
47:14
Speaker 1: the state for Biden, and that elected Warnock and Ausa,
47:17
Speaker 1: and transformed the composition of the entire United States Senate
47:21
Speaker 1: in the United States Congress. That's Stacy's work, and so
47:24
Speaker 1: that work goes on regardless of what the specific results
47:27
Speaker 1: are um just coming November, and that she is clearly
47:31
Speaker 1: one of the brightest, most courageous leaders that exist within
47:35
Speaker 1: the country, and she will continue to lead and continue
47:38
Speaker 1: to help us make progress whatever happens in November. There's
47:42
Speaker 1: been said that Steve that we are a two party country,
47:45
Speaker 1: Republican and Democrats. You got the independence that this in
47:49
Speaker 1: the Libertarians, but they don't really have power. All they
47:51
Speaker 1: do is kind of like coming in and make noise.
47:54
Speaker 1: They said that because we have a two party country,
47:56
Speaker 1: we have two party count Republicans. That's the problem. That's
48:00
Speaker 1: the problem. You know, we made promises to commit, especially Democrats,
48:04
Speaker 1: they have made promises after promises to black people and
48:06
Speaker 1: then they kind of like resind those so they can
48:09
Speaker 1: hold on to the white volte. Is a two party
48:12
Speaker 1: system a major default in what you're trying to achieve
48:17
Speaker 1: and win into civil war. I don't think it's the
48:20
Speaker 1: party issue, and that my political baptism was in the
48:24
Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition days Jesse Jackson's campaigns, where he was working
48:28
Speaker 1: in the context of the Democratic Party. But I think
48:30
Speaker 1: that's a greater reflection of what the coalition should be.
48:34
Speaker 1: The Rainbow Coalition ideal that people of colored, progressive whites,
48:37
Speaker 1: when the old minorities come together, they comprise a new
48:40
Speaker 1: majority and can manifest that through whatever or whichever political
48:44
Speaker 1: party man exists. So it's not fundamentally party as much
48:49
Speaker 1: as vision of what the country is. There is a
48:53
Speaker 1: party which thinks this is primarily a white country, and
48:57
Speaker 1: there's a party that thinks this is primarily a multiracial country.
49:01
Speaker 1: But I would argue they don't lean enough into that,
49:03
Speaker 1: which is what my work has been. But I think
49:05
Speaker 1: that there is the greatest potential there and the current structure,
49:10
Speaker 1: and it allows us to the possibility to transform this country.
49:15
Speaker 1: And I don't think that the party's structure that's holding
49:18
Speaker 1: us back. It's participating in the electoral process where we
49:21
Speaker 1: still have millions of people of color who are not
49:24
Speaker 1: voting in the fact, if and when we do, that's
49:26
Speaker 1: when we can have the greatest changes. Absolutely, That's what
49:29
Speaker 1: got the President of Obama in office was when we
49:32
Speaker 1: all step to the play now. So President Biden got
49:35
Speaker 1: in the office, especially when he named uh uh Vice
49:38
Speaker 1: President Kamala Harris as his running mate. And so so
49:42
Speaker 1: those moments of you know, like I said that, you know,
49:45
Speaker 1: we see um the way they they alter voting laws,
49:49
Speaker 1: how they alter voting a redisteranting. All these things are
49:54
Speaker 1: done when you have power. When we talk about ending
49:56
Speaker 1: the civil war, I talk about my color, I talk
49:58
Speaker 1: about my child's color, as she lives his life beyond there.
50:01
Speaker 1: If you had to say a couple of things, and
50:03
Speaker 1: you say this in your book, and my goal when
50:05
Speaker 1: I would do influential authors like that not to give
50:08
Speaker 1: away your book. I want them to buy your book.
50:10
Speaker 1: So I would like for the author to put in
50:12
Speaker 1: the words that would allow people to understand what you're
50:15
Speaker 1: trying to say. Are we talking about a hundred years
50:18
Speaker 1: from now? Are we talking about two hundred years from
50:21
Speaker 1: now that we have to live in this horrible life
50:24
Speaker 1: of uncertainty where your color does matter, especially in racial situations.
50:30
Speaker 1: How does one win the Civil War? Is it certain
50:34
Speaker 1: pockets like in San Diego other other identifiable cities that
50:38
Speaker 1: to understand the value of racial harmony wins for everybody?
50:43
Speaker 1: How what is that timeline? Sir? I really believe that
50:47
Speaker 1: the twenties are in fact the key area in terms
50:53
Speaker 1: of what we're actually facing, and that this next four
50:56
Speaker 1: or five years are going to be critical and in
50:58
Speaker 1: that and we cant and we continue the progress of
51:01
Speaker 1: the places like Texas, Georgia, Arizona. Can we continue to
51:04
Speaker 1: flip places like Florida, North Carolina, which are in fact possible.
51:09
Speaker 1: And if we do that, then we will in fact
51:12
Speaker 1: be able to be far along on the road towards
51:15
Speaker 1: winning the Civil War. We at one point this country
51:18
Speaker 1: was white. Now I think that number is down to
51:22
Speaker 1: so that only encourages white supremacists that say, we have
51:27
Speaker 1: to save ourselves, we have to protect our rights, we
51:29
Speaker 1: have to carry our guns, we have to throw, as
51:32
Speaker 1: they say, not only fear mongerers, but white mongerers. They're
51:36
Speaker 1: holding onto their place in line. And so as that
51:39
Speaker 1: number keeps shrinking, I honestly believe this is my thoughts,
51:44
Speaker 1: is that if something negative was to happen from the
51:47
Speaker 1: Standford legally for Trump, he would only add more fear
51:52
Speaker 1: to the fire. I really believed that he could leave
51:55
Speaker 1: this country down a path of violence. M I overreacted
51:58
Speaker 1: to that, Steve, or use every shard. I hope my breath,
52:01
Speaker 1: because you may be right. No, well, we already had.
52:05
Speaker 1: They already happened that they stormed the United States capital,
52:09
Speaker 1: tax law enforcement officers, UM, multiple people died and so
52:14
Speaker 1: and then Trump was quite pleased with all of that.
52:17
Speaker 1: So there's absolutely that that potential exist. But again, if
52:22
Speaker 1: we participate, if we run, if we vote, if we win,
52:26
Speaker 1: if we could control of our socibal institutions. Then we
52:29
Speaker 1: can enforce the laws. We can enforce equality in ways
52:34
Speaker 1: that will move us forward. You know that it's always
52:38
Speaker 1: like when you read a great book Steve, how we
52:40
Speaker 1: win the Civil War, security and multiracial democracy and Endian
52:44
Speaker 1: white supremacy for good. That means I gotta go get
52:47
Speaker 1: the other book, Brown is the New White, another one
52:49
Speaker 1: than your best sellers. I want to thank you for
52:51
Speaker 1: coming on Money Making Conversation Date. I'll do these interviews
52:54
Speaker 1: all the time. It feels like I've only been talking
52:56
Speaker 1: to you for five minutes. We're at twenty six minutes
52:58
Speaker 1: and counting. And this is not only your book as
53:01
Speaker 1: a brilliant read, but the information that we're talking about
53:04
Speaker 1: is so rivetine that the time just flies. And I
53:08
Speaker 1: hope that we are able to create change with books
53:11
Speaker 1: like this. And I do believe what you're saying, and
53:13
Speaker 1: this the time is now for us to start changing.
53:15
Speaker 1: The time is now for us to be honest. And
53:17
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53:20
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53:23
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53:25
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