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Healing Through Self-Reflection, BreathWork And Mindfulness With Dawn Bennett · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Welcome to the mindful you podcast. And today's
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guest
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Don Bennett, Don has spent over 25 years focusing on the mind
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body conversation, how the energies of the body and the
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energies of the mind work together. She's written books on
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the intimacy and the power of touch very much into neuro
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linguistic programming, and hypnosis, self hypnosis, and
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supporting people as they develop their skills and
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abilities to manage this conversation of the mind and the
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body. When you talk about the mind and the body, you bring in
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the conversation of mindfulness. So today, we're gonna be talking
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with Dawn, about the work that she does, and how her work
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applies to also the area of mindfulness. Welcome, welcome,
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Don to the mindful you podcast. So I like to find out a little
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bit about your journey. And what made you decide to do what
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you're doing now. And what realizations did you have that
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then motivated you to follow the path that you're following now?
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Dawn Bennett: So I was going to college as I was supposed to do
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for international business.
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Unknown: Right. Scrabble, I like speaking language, right? Yeah,
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exactly. International. Sure. Right.
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Dawn Bennett: So um, while I was there, I decided to take a Tai
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Chi class because I was interested in martial arts. And
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a guy came up to me and he was like, you know, I'm reading this
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book called The self esteem prophecy. And it says, if you're
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drawn to somebody, you have something to teach them and
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change their life or something like that. I was like, Oh, nice,
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like a nice pickup line. Great, awesome. But anyway, he changed
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my life. He brought me down to the nursing program where I
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learned therapeutic touch and healing touch, and started
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learning about auras and energy and how we interact as humans.
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And I was like, What is this world I've never heard about,
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right. And so I went to I dropped out of college, I went
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to massage school, and started working as a massage therapist.
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And as I was doing massage, was looking at this mind body
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connection. How come when I touch people's hands are like,
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Oh, my grandmother used to touch me like that. Or I touch their
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hip and like, oh, yeah, football injury, you know, 20 3040 years
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ago, and started doing a lot of work around like Peter Levine's
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work. And that led me into going well, how do I work with the
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emotions and the body? I got an A cranial sacral therapy, doing
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some at emotional release work. And I was like, I want more
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found out about homeopathy. I was like, Well, why not?
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Alan Carroll: Let me find I'm not quite sure. I'm familiar
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with hormone apathy.
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Dawn Bennett: homeopathy. Homeopathy is an energetic
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medicine. That's been around for many years developed by Samuel
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Hahnemann. And what it is, is you take a substance, like let's
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say you take a tree, and you titrate it and diluted down in a
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certain process that allows just the energy of the substance to
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be leftover. So if you've ever heard of like the homeopathic
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remedy, arnica is really popular. Arnica Montana is used
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for bruising and for injuries. They use it a lot with what's
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that called? Plastic Surgery, post plastic surgery to reduce
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swelling and such any kind of injury anyway, so homeopathy is
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really about, where's the energetic pattern in the body
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stuck? And how do you shift it using remedies. So there's a lot
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of thriller looking for. There's a lot of controversy about the
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science of the background, right, because it works very
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much on the quantum level. But I wanted something that worked
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with people that they could do themselves, that they could take
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ownership of that they could take power of that I wasn't
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doing to them. And so that's when I ran into Emotional
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Freedom Techniques tapping. That led me into learning about
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hypnosis and neuro linguistic programming. And so that's when
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I started taking all of those trainings and really work I
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became a relationship and intimacy coach, because my whole
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life path is about how do I help people connect to themselves and
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to others in the most true and authentic way possible? And what
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words do we use that take away from who we are that takeaway
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from our connection people? How can we use those words more
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powerfully, more purposefully? How can we ask for what we want
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and what we need? How do we become aware of what we want we
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need first, in order to connect with And with our relationships
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with our friends with our family members with the community
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around us. And that's what led me to write my books as well. So
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that's the kind of short version, my path, wow, right
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into this into this world.
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Alan Carroll: That's great, that's great, I can see the path
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of healing, the path of reducing psychological suffering, the
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path of I'm in the mindfulness business. And so what you're
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talking about also is mindfulness is to be able to be
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not seduced by the thoughts that you're thinking, being able to,
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sort of rise above and see things and be able to observe
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and and heal the body. And touching certainly is a I find
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that physical touch is healing. And often people are
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uncomfortable with physical touch, which I find a Why would
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you be uncomfortable with physical touch you? But for
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those people who are uncomfortable with physical
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touch, what would you tell? What would you? How would you
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recommend them to sort of get on that path you're talking about?
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Dawn Bennett: The biggest thing is self awareness. What about it
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makes one uncomfortable? So is there a belief somewhere or fear
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that you're going to do something wrong? Or that you're
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not a man if you want physical touch? Or that if you're a woman
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and you touch somebody, they're going to perceive it as sexual?
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Like, is there something around that, that is asking to be
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healed? Or perhaps your desire not to touch comes from being
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overly energetically sensitive? We're touching you get maybe you
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get touched all day long by your kids. And now when you go to
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touch other people, it's just it's too much like the capacity
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isn't there? Sometimes our ability to give or receive touch
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comes from cultural expectations. Sure, trauma, as
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you know, as you well know. And so we can explore what is it
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about that? And by the way, it's not wrong to not want touch in a
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certain way. It's just how do you create boundaries and make
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it safe for yourself? And sometimes the first place is
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starting with? How do you accept yourself by touching yourself?
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Like when you're in the shower? Can you actually soap yourself
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down and honor your own body? Or does that even feel
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uncomfortable? And if so, why? Like what have you learned about
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yourself and your body? That you're not even allowed to soak
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down your own arm without hurrying up and doing it?
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Because it's what you have to do to get clean?
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Alan Carroll: Right, right? Do you have a practice of I'll call
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it a mindful practice or a meditation practice or a yoga
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practice that you do to steal the energy and calm the energy
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during the day.
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Dawn Bennett: I have a bunch of them that I rotate through
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depending upon what's happening in my life. So sometimes, my
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mindfulness practice actually happens for me through movement
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often. So yoga and breath work is one big one for me. But
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sometimes for me, it's also I need to go hike in nature as
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fast and as powerfully and as sweaty as I can. Because I have
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so much just the only way that's going to release this is to
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match that energy. So that can actually be one of my most one
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of my best mindfulness practices, is just to be out and
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just work hard in nature, just
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Alan Carroll: nature. I think of Eckhart Tolle, and he talks
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about stillness. And he says, If you want to become still hang
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out where stillness is, well, where stillness. Stillness is in
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the forest, stillness is a nature. And often people I find
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are, are inside physical buildings and artificiality. And
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they don't realize taking their feet or taking their shoes off
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bare feet, grass, get back down to get back down to Mother
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Nature. As well, I want to touch on you mentioned breathing, and
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breathing is big deal with mindfulness presence, and I'd
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like you to share with our audience, maybe even some
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breathing techniques that if I'm not really aware of what I can
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do for breathing, what are some basic breathing techniques that
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I could do that would calm me and make me feel like I'm a
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better person?
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Dawn Bennett: Right? And teaching breathwork isn't one of
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my specialties. He's however, just bringing conscious
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awareness to the breath brings us within our body. Okay, first
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thing to do is just notice how you're breathing without judging
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it without changing it. You know, because the first thing
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that often happens if I say, okay, you know, tune in your
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breathing, people go, and they
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Unknown: sit up straight, and they do all the right things.
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And
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Dawn Bennett: okay, now I'm gonna take a deep breath. What's
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it, what's your natural state of breathing? If you're really
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stressed, your natural state of breathing might be really
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shallow. That's information. That's beautiful information.
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And if you're really relaxed, if you're ready to fall asleep,
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your breath might be really deep in your belly. That's beautiful
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information. So the first thing I tell people is just just tune
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into who you are, how you are right now. And then once that
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consciousness is there, now, what's your intention? Maybe
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you're exhausted, and you need to go to work. So maybe you want
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your breath work to be fast. Maybe you're trying to calm
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down, or you're desiring to calm down. And so you're slowing your
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breath, you're allowing it to expand and you're back. Or
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you're allowing it to expand downwards in your belly. And
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you're just being with that motion, with the sensation in
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your body noticing. And being curious, where's it going?
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Where's it not going? Oh, isn't that interesting? When I
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breathe, and it feels like it's all going to my right not to my
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left? Isn't that fascinating? I wonder if I can play with
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allowing it to go to my lab. And that, bringing some playfulness
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to instead of here's how it should look. I think it's one of
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the most important things, when you look at your breath, or when
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you look at your own practices. Where am I right now? What do I
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want that to look like instead, in a really gentle, loving, self
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loving way.
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Alan Carroll: So what I hear you talking about, Dawn is the self
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reflection, awareness, observation of what's going on
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inside your body. And what I find in the work that I do is
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that, that that would be embodiment. And the opposite to
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embodiment would be dis embodiment. And dis embodiment
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is the is the thoughts that you're thinking and trying to
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figure out a way to erase those thoughts and allow you to go
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back into your body. And so I find that that is a often people
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spend their entire life inside their head. They're thinking and
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thinking and thinking and thinking and thinking they don't
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even know about the breath. Don't even know that you can
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breathe and think at the same time. What do you mean you can
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breathe and think of the same focus on your breathing? And you
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can't be thinking about dinner. And I find that the the thoughts
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that you think create a lot of anxiety and tension, tension in
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the body. When you think of the word mindfulness, what would you
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how would you define in your your world, Dawn, to be mindful
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and present in the moment? What does that mean to you?
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Dawn Bennett: What that means is having a level of self awareness
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and self reflect reflection of what I'm doing. How I'm acting
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or being and why. In other words, if I'm in a, let's say,
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I'm in an intense conversation, and someone says something to me
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having a moment of anger, okay, I'm angry. That's okay, I get to
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be angry, that maybe means a boundary got push, or a
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sensitivity got triggered. That's great awareness. How am I
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going to choose to react to that? And not that I always
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react in the best way. Right? We all have our moments where it's
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like, Oops, i i That was that was that and I just reacted fast
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and quick, but also understanding like Okay, so when
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I keep finding myself getting upset, or angry or scared or
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nervous in these ways, what is actually the way that I want to
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come to this and what's the dissonance between what I'm
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doing now and where I want to be? And what's standing in the
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way of me stepping into that way of being is it a belief I have
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is the way I believe I should act. You know what's happening
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in my nervous system, in my breath, in my presence, am I
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going out of my body and just doing whatever I'm whatever
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comes out of mine. mouth without any conscious awareness of how
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it's impacting myself or others? Or am I being really purposeful
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and taking a breath and saying, Wow, that that made me angry
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right now and I need a break, or that made me really angry right
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now. So I'm going to say this as gently as I can, and making
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conscious choice. So that's what mindfulness means to me is that
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it's really easy to be mindful on our yoga mats or in our bed
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at night, it's a lot harder to be mindful. When things when
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there's chaos around us.
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Alan Carroll: Isn't that the truth? Not the truth to be to be
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able to not resist the event that's happening in the moment
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of now? No, this shouldn't be No, no, no. Yeah, no, it's, it's
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a, it's being a screen door rather than a winter. storm
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doors screen allows the energy to flow rather than No, this
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this should not be, which causes like constipation, I use the
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word to people who have become constipated, you have to have to
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loosen things up a little bit, let the energy flow a little
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bit. And so I imagine in the work that you're doing, the the
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flowing of the energy through the system? And where are the
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blocks that occur in the system? And how do you remove the blocks
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that allow the energy to flow in the system? Is that part of what
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are some of the? Am I in the ballpark? Because I'm not all
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those things that you are? What are? What are some of the blocks
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or barriers or remediation or things you can do to reduce the
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tension to open up the blocks to allow the energy to flow through
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your body?
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Dawn Bennett: Mm hmm. Well, there's a variety of different
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ways, tools and techniques that one can do. Obviously, I often
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recommend that people get support, because often we can't
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see our own blind spots, or we think we know why we're doing
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something. And as one of my instructors said, if you if you
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think you know why you're doing something, that's probably not
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it. Because you're looking at yourself from yourself. Um, so
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for example, our brain runs strategies, we have a strategy
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of how we do brush our teeth, how we decide to go to work, how
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we decide to avoid doing something, how do we decide to
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communicate to our partner, right, we're only running a
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certain amount of strategies, which is why there's that adage
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of the way you do one thing is the way you do everything,
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right, it's your brain runs certain strategies. So it
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Alan Carroll: turns out again, that went by too fast for me. So
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that one, again, your unconscious
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Dawn Bennett: mind runs certain strategies, okay? To help you
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get by in the world in a way that it believes is going to
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keep you safe. And that is going to, you know, keep you in your
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power, whatever it is it's trying to do at that moment.
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Right. So if you learn that safety when you're three, if it
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started learning a strategy, that safety when I'm three means
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means throwing a temper tantrum or making a fuss so people pay
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attention to me. If that strategy never gets shifted, all
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of a sudden, here you are, and you're 50, and you're still
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throwing an adult version of a temper tantrum.
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Alan Carroll: Isn't that the truth? Yeah. And how do you
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escape from that that pattern?
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Dawn Bennett: Well, mindfulness is definitely one. A lot of
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unconscious unconscious mind change work, like doing working
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with an NLP coach is very helpful in that hypnosis is very
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helpful in that anything that works with the unconscious mind
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that allows it to shift its idea of how or its strategy of how
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you're getting what you need. Right? Because you can do it
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through your own work to through counselors, and psychologists
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and all that stuff, right? All of those people are very, very
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helpful to bring the level of awareness, the level of
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attention to what is it that you're getting by doing this?
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And what do you want to do instead? So any support system
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that you can get that will help you bring not just the awareness
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of hey, I do this, and I'm, I'm going to try not to be angry
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anymore. I'm going to try not to let my temper get ahead of me.
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But really like what do we need to heal? That's way underneath
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that Sure. Oh, becomes easy to make that choice. That's what I
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recommend for people. It's like get the support that you need,
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Alan Carroll: then how do you dive in? To find out what's
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underneath that's motivating the the actions on the surface? What
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vehicles can you dive into it?
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Dawn Bennett: Are you telling when you ask about vehicles? Are
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you asking about like, techniques that I would use? Are
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you asking about techniques that your listeners could use? Are
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you asking about concepts helped me understand what you're
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asking? Sure,
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Alan Carroll: sure. You talked about finding out what's
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underneath the surface that's motivating the actions on top of
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the surface. And so if I'm going to take a dive into that, and I
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think of, for example, the hypnosis PhD you talked about
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hypnosis is pretty cool. I mean psychology Oh, it's been in
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psychology business hypnosis is one of those conversations that
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people have. And I know that NLP has conversations about
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hypnosis. So let's talk a little bit about what hypnosis means to
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you, and how it can apply to our listeners in the audience.
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Dawn Bennett: Great. So hypnosis to me means when I am teaching
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people, I mean all hypnosis is self hypnosis. Let's just start
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there. We put ourselves into trance and we are in trance for
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the majority of the day. Oh,
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Alan Carroll: that's a good one. I want to I want to slow down on
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that one. Okay, we put our hypnosis is self hypnosis. And
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we live in a we live in a trance. We don't know we're in a
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trance, but we're in we're in a trance. So what do you mean by
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trance?
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Dawn Bennett: What I mean is a level where we are doing things
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automatically. Okay. And without awareness. Oh, yeah. Okay. You
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know, like, have you ever driven down the road and you meant to
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go to the store, but you accidentally cow path it to
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somewhere else? Home? Oh, wait, where this wasn't where I meant
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to go.
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Alan Carroll: older I get the more that happens. Right?
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Dawn Bennett: Right. Or you drive for miles and you're like,
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Whoa, I don't even remember the last 10 minutes of drive. That's
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trance going in the refrigerator being like, where is the
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ketchup, I could swear the ketchup was here it was right
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here on your face. Like that you're in a trance, you are
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actually so deep inside of your body. There are different levels
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of trance. Of course, when we watch television, like all of
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these things, we're in this trance state. And when we're in
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a trance state, we're open to and our unconscious mind is
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still observing information. That it's creating belief
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systems around that it's acting upon. And so in hypnosis, what I
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do, or what people can do for themselves in self hypnosis is
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they can drop themselves into a level of trance and feed
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themselves the results that they want to see, they redefine who
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they are. So if my goal, for example, I'm going to use like
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lose weight, because it's one that people tend to, you know,
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quickly go to hypnosis for, you know, not only like, do I want
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to lose weight, but what what will I feel differently in my
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body? How will this empower me to be a better human? What will
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I see in my life? That will make me healthier, happier, more
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joyful? Like that's what the unconscious mind wants to learn?
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How am I more safe, more vibrant, more healthy, by
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shifting this pattern? And so as we're, as we're doing hypnosis,
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that's, that's what I'm helping encouraging people to do is what
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strategy or what belief are we running that no longer serves us
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that now we can replace with this new belief of, hey, this
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choice can be really easy. It can be easy and effective for me
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to make this change, because we've all made changes before.
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And so now, as I step into this new change, I can be I am this
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powerful person, I feel healthy. I see myself playing with my
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grandkids in the yard, and the smile on their face as they
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giggle. And I noticed my knee pain is gone, because I've made
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these different choices in how I've eaten. And Isn't it lovely?
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And the mind goes, Yeah, that's amazing. That's exactly what I
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want. And then all of a sudden, losing weight becomes easier,
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because your mind now is focused on all the beautiful things that
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you get to have. And it's much easier than just doing
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affirmations of like, I'm going to lose weight, I'm going to I'm
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going to do this thing and force myself to do it because every
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time we're forcing or fighting. So how do we shift so it's not a
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fight, but it's a both and my mind wants to be there. My body
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wants to be there. My conscious mind wants to be there. And now
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we're all working in synergy.
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Alan Carroll: Sure. Is there some hypnosis techniques that a
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person can do without a coach like in front of a mirror or
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something where they could be becoming aware of patterns
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inside themselves that they weren't aware of?
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Dawn Bennett: So hypnosis and being aware of patterns are
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separate in some in some way. So you'd bring yourself into
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hypnosis to give the suggestions to your unconscious mind to
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create the pattern that you want. So first is okay, what am
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I doing that I don't like? Or what am i Believing that I don't
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like? And then now I bring myself into trance and then I
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give myself the suggestions of what I want to see. So I teach.
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I'm a hypnosis trainer. And so I teach people how to bring
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themselves into self hypnosis to talk to themselves, their higher
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selves and actually create that life that they want.
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Alan Carroll: Can you give me an example of something that I
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could do this afternoon to become more or less pattern?
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effect or not? You didn't you said it's not. I know Tony
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Robbins talks about pattern interrupts and patterns a lot.
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Yep. And so, a simple hypnosis technique.
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Dawn Bennett: The part of part of hypnosis is learning what is
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what is it? Like when you're in trance? How do you recognize
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when you're in trance? And how do you get yourself there
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quickly? Yeah. So you'll see people go like, and then just
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like down, right, which I could do to myself right now, but I'm
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not going to.
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Alan Carroll: So you can put yourself yourself, you could put
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yourself in hypnosis right now into a trance state,
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Dawn Bennett: I actually already started pulling myself into a
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trance state as as I was talking about hypnosis. So if you felt
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if you like, when I when I teach Hypnosis Training, what I do is
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I start dropping myself deeper and deeper into trance. And so
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as I get into a trance myself, and as I start finding that
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rhythm of the energy in the trance, right, which is also how
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we talk to each other, when we're really engaged. So as I
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start bringing myself into trance, people naturally start
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dropping into trance with me. And so it's similar to
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meditation or relaxation. It's not that much different. So when
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I do deep meditation, it's very, very similar to being in trance.
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And one thing that you can play with is looking straight up,
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like towards the like, keeping your head straight, looking
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straight up towards the ceiling. And then allowing your
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peripheral vision just to expand and just imagine expanding all
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the way around your head. And once you have that, just allow
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your eyes to soften into come back to neutral. And you'll feel
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how much that relaxes you already. And even that
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relaxation can be a trance for some people can be a very light
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trance, through can calm the system, so you can play with
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that. And then once you're calm. Once you feel like you're in
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that like really lovely state of meditation or of hypnosis, self
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hypnosis, then you can start saying, isn't that going to be
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amazing? When I have this? I can envision myself or look at
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money, you know, you said in front of the mirror, look at my
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body in front of me, isn't it beautiful? I can see the
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strength in me just as I am. And want to be lovely when I make
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the choices to eat the way I'm choosing to eat. So that can
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become even more powerful. So I can become even healthier. So I
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can have more strength, more energy more joy.
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Alan Carroll: Is that like reprogramming the beliefs that
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you had at that three year old? And you're replacing those
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beliefs with a with another set of beliefs that's more in
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alignment with what you are intending to have?
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Dawn Bennett: Again? Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. And
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sometimes you have to address the beliefs more directly
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depends upon you know, if you watched your mom for her whole
28:28
life, talk about how fat she was, and how and she was always
28:31
on a diet and she's always trying to lose weight that's
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really differently ingrained in who you are as a person, then if
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you're just like, oh, I gained five pounds. I feel like my
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pants are a little tight, I kind of I will get that off. You
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know, it's a whole different energy of how much awareness or
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work perhaps it may take in order to clear that that system.
28:55
Alan Carroll: You mentioned the word meditation. Meditation is
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one of the pillars of mindfulness. Do you have a
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meditation? A way of meditating each day? A practice that you
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follow?
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Dawn Bennett: Yeah, I go through a streak. I go through streaks
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of meditation. Like sometimes I'm really great. And I'll
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meditate for a couple of months I'll do one of my instructors, a
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yoga instructor who's a master. So my master taught me different
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mudras and so there's times that I sit in, I do mudras for
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certain things. There are times where I do like third eye
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meditations and I'm visualizing or manifesting things. There's
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some times when my meditation is just like, Okay, I need three
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minutes. Okay, quiet mind. Okay, but that that pass, okay, let
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that thought pass. Okay, focus on my breath. You know, in my
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meditation is literally like just to bring me back into my
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body into some place. of functionality instead of like,
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whatever it was happening, that pulled me into the chaos.
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Alan Carroll: That's great. That's great. Meditation is the,
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in my, in my business, the managing the thoughts that you
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think. And being able to. I'll use the word, I use the word
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erase the thoughts, you have the thought you make it disappear,
30:28
you have the thought you make it disappear. Every time you you
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make the thought disappear. Whatever gravitational effect
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that thought was having on your actions is gone. And it's not,
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it's not. And so that's a, a, it's called the Sonia
30:46
meditation. And Sonia meditation is, you know, it's like Whack
30:51
whack a mole, you the thought comes up, whack it, thought
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comes out. And you whack it with a with a mantra. And so if
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you've done Transcendental Meditation, I've not, but you've
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heard of Transcendental Meditation. Yes, TM, it's the
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instant, it's a 20 minute practice for the mantra. And it
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makes all the thoughts disappear. And you replace the
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thoughts with Sonia and Sonia means means nothing. And so you
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live in this empty space of nothingness. And mindfulness is
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achieving that empty space of nothingness, which we'll call
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the space of the being, versus the space of the ego. Ego is the
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space of all the thoughts, you can make all those thoughts
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disappear. You, you come back into that space of the being,
31:35
what what a, what a pleasure being able to meet a, a person
31:41
on the path, on that path of transfer of Self Realization, in
31:47
their own reality, like you're doing Don, and taking your
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knowledge and your skills, and then giving it to other other
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people, and earning a living doing it, which is something
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that you enjoy doing. And I earn a living doing it. It's a nice,
32:03
it's a nice combination. And if I wanted to, if the listeners
32:08
wanted to read your books, or they wanted to go to your
32:12
website, how would how would they get connected with you?
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Dawn Bennett: Yes. So my website is touch remedies.com r e n e
32:23
dies. I'm actually in the process of rebranding, but that
32:27
will always work. My books are on Amazon. One's called the
32:31
touch crisis, navigating the tricky train of bringing healthy
32:34
touch back into our culture. And the other one's called What
32:37
happened to my friendships, five steps to navigate the social
32:40
distancing crisis. So those are both available on Amazon. The
32:43
second also has audible because you know, people love Audible
32:46
these days. But everything else, you can schedule appointments
32:51
with me, you can email me and everything directly from my
32:53
website. So I would say going to touch remedies.com is going to
32:56
be the easiest way to find me and find everything that I'm
33:00
doing right now.
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Alan Carroll: And you do coaching. I imagine you do
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coaching via zoom. So we don't we don't need to actually fly to
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Minnesota.
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Dawn Bennett: You don't do you doubt. And I love travel. So if
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you want to do it in person, I'll come to
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Alan Carroll: you. Well, that's great. That's great.
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Dawn Bennett: Absolutely.
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Alan Carroll: Well, I want to thank you for our time. i I'm
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going to I appreciate your taking the time to talk and
33:26
share your your journey with our audience. It's it's been it's
33:30
been fun. And I want and I want to thank you for taking the time
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to be on the PATA Palooza and allowing us to be interviewing
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you. And I am going to put all the information that you send to
33:44
me in my in the notes section. And so that will be sent out to
33:49
everybody. So they'll be able to contact you via via the notes
33:52
section.
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Dawn Bennett: Great. Well, thank you so much. This has been such
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a learning opportunity and such a pleasure to speak with you.
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Alan Carroll: Well, thank you