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Resonance and Enlightenment: Exploring the Zen Experience with Lee Carlson · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I'm
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  And
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  we're
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  here
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  with
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  our
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  guest
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  Lee
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  Carlson,
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  who
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  is
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  a
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  10
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  practitioner
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  student
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  of
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  Peter
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  Mathiason,
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  who
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  was
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  a
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  student
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  or
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  a
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  dharma
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  heir
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  of
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  my
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  Zumi
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  Roshi.
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  And
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  before
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  the
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  break,
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  Peter,
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  you
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  going
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  to
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  teach
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  at
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  a
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  private
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  school
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  about
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  10
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  mindfulness
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  and
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  about
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  how
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  the
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  private
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  school
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  was
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  sort
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  of
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  in
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  an
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  uproar
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  because
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  they
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  banned
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  cell
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  phones.
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  But
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  you
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  know,
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  that
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  brought
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  me
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  back
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  to
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  this
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  idea
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  about
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  the
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  four
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  noble
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  truths,
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  that
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  there
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  is
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  suffering,
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  but
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  there's
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  also
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  an
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  end
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  to
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  suffering.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  breakthroughs
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  that
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  I
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  had
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  after
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  an
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  intense
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  period
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  of
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  some
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  suffering
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  was
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  to
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  go,
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  wait,
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  you
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  know,
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  there's
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  the,
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  the
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  koan
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  of
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  the
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  mosquito
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  biting
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  the
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  iron
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  bull,
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  and
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  the
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  mosquito
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  has
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  to
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  bite
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  and
• 1:00
  the
• 1:00
  iron
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  bowl
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  can't
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  be
• 1:01
  bitten.
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  And
• 1:02
  Alan
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  Watts
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  was
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  talking
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  about
• 1:04
  desire.
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  And
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  the
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  problem
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  is
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  that
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  when
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  we
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  desire
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  something,
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  we
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  separate
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  ourselves
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  from
• 1:09
  it.
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  And
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  I
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  went,
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  oh.
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  And
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  the,
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  and
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  the
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  problem
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  is
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  that
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  there's
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  really
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  no
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  separation
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  and
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  that
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  breakthrough
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  similar
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  to
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  yours.
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  And
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  I
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  went,
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  oh,
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  there's
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  no
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  separated
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  Anthony.
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  There
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  is
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  no
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  Anthony,
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  huh?
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  There's
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  just
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  what's
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  happening
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  here
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  now
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  and
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  then
• 1:27
  what's
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  happening
• 1:28
  with
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  Peter
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  and
• 1:30
  what's
• 1:30
  happening
• 1:30
  with
• 1:30
  Adam.
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  And
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  again,
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  another
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  breakthrough
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  point
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  that
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  can
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  come
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  anytime
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  for
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  any
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  of
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  us.
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  It's.
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  I,
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  if
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  you
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  remember
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  about
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  the,
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  the
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  story
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  about
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  the,
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  the
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  monk
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  that
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  was
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  walking
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  along
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  a
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  path
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  and
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  he
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  kicked
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  a
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  stone
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  and
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  the
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  stone
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  hit
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  the
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  fence
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  and
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  the
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  sound
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  of
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  the
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  stone
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  hitting
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  the
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  fence,
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  he
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  cracked
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  open.
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  About
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  that.
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  So
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  how
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  do
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  we
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  prepare
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  for
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  that
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  opening?
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  So
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  I
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  love
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  that
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  story.
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  And
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  it's
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  interesting.
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  It
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  comes
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  in
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  a
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  number
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  of
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  different
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  versions.
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  In
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  some
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  versions,
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  he
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  has
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  that
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  opening
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  when
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  he,
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  when
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  he
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  kicks
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  the
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  stone
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  and
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  he
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  gets
• 2:08
  the
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  pain
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  in
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  his
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  toe,
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  so.
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  Oh,
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  right.
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  Okay.
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  You
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  know,
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  and
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  some,
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  but
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  some
• 2:12
  stories,
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  it's
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  when
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  the
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  stone
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  hits
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  the
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  fence
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  post.
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  And
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  I
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  love
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  that.
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  So
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  how
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  do
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  we
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  prepare?
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  So
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  it
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  depends.
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  I
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  always
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  say
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  to
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  people,
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  it's
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  like
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  being
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  a
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  being.
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  Learn
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  to
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  play
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  the
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  piano,
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  right?
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  There's
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  so
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  many
• 2:29
  different
• 2:29
  reasons
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  to
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  learn
• 2:30
  to
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  play
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  the
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  piano.
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  You
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  can
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  learn
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  to
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  play
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  the
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  piano
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  just
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  because
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  you
• 2:33
  want
• 2:33
  to
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  play
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  a
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  few
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  songs
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  at
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  parties
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  or
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  that
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  you
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  just
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  want
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  to
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  sort
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  of
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  play
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  for
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  yourself.
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  You
• 2:37
  can
• 2:37
  learn
• 2:38
  to
• 2:38
  play
• 2:38
  the
• 2:38
  piano
• 2:38
  because
• 2:38
  you
• 2:39
  want
• 2:39
  to
• 2:39
  be,
• 2:39
  you
• 2:39
  know,
• 2:39
  then
• 2:40
  you
• 2:40
  can
• 2:40
  take
• 2:40
  the
• 2:40
  next
• 2:40
  step
• 2:41
  because
• 2:41
  you
• 2:41
  want
• 2:41
  to
• 2:41
  be
• 2:42
  part
• 2:42
  of
• 2:42
  a
• 2:42
  band.
• 2:43
  And
• 2:43
  you
• 2:44
  know,
• 2:44
  and
• 2:44
  then
• 2:44
  if
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  want
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  go
• 2:45
  all
• 2:45
  the
• 2:45
  way
• 2:45
  you
• 2:46
  can
• 2:46
  want
• 2:46
  to
• 2:46
  be
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  great
• 2:47
  concert
• 2:47
  pianist
• 2:48
  and
• 2:48
  being
• 2:49
  a
• 2:49
  spiritual
• 2:50
  seeker
• 2:51
  or
• 2:51
  Zen
• 2:51
  person,
• 2:51
  whatever
• 2:52
  you
• 2:52
  want
• 2:52
  to
• 2:52
  call
• 2:52
  it,
• 2:53
  to
• 2:53
  me,
• 2:54
  it's
• 2:54
  all
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  okay.
• 2:55
  Like,
• 2:55
  all
• 2:55
  those
• 2:56
  choices
• 2:56
  are
• 2:56
  okay,
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  right?
• 2:57
  Like,
• 2:57
  there's
• 2:58
  nothing
• 2:58
  wrong
• 2:58
  with
• 2:58
  being.
• 2:59
  Just
• 2:59
  learning
• 2:59
  a
• 2:59
  few
• 3:00
  songs
• 3:00
  to
• 3:00
  play
• 3:00
  at
• 3:00
  parties.
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  That's,
• 3:02
  you
• 3:02
  know,
• 3:02
  if
• 3:02
  that's
• 3:03
  what
• 3:03
  you
• 3:03
  want,
• 3:03
  and
• 3:03
  that's.
• 3:04
  That's
• 3:04
  great.
• 3:04
  That's
• 3:04
  not
• 3:05
  any
• 3:05
  better
• 3:05
  or
• 3:05
  worse
• 3:05
  than
• 3:06
  being
• 3:06
  a,
• 3:06
  you
• 3:07
  know,
• 3:07
  know,
• 3:07
  famous
• 3:07
  concert
• 3:08
  pianist.
• 3:09
  And
• 3:10
  I
• 3:10
  think
• 3:11
  with
• 3:11
  Zen,
• 3:11
  it's
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  same
• 3:12
  way
• 3:12
  for
• 3:12
  myself.
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  have
• 3:14
  thrown
• 3:14
  myself
• 3:14
  into
• 3:15
  it
• 3:16
  in
• 3:17
  very
• 3:17
  intense
• 3:17
  ways.
• 3:18
  I'm
• 3:18
  at
• 3:18
  the,
• 3:18
  you
• 3:19
  know,
• 3:19
  I'm
• 3:19
  at
• 3:19
  the
• 3:19
  one
• 3:19
  end
• 3:19
  of
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  spectrum.
• 3:20
  I'm
• 3:20
  at
• 3:20
  the.
• 3:21
  I'm
• 3:21
  not
• 3:21
  claiming
• 3:22
  to
• 3:22
  be,
• 3:22
  you
• 3:22
  know,
• 3:22
  the
• 3:23
  concert
• 3:23
  pianist
• 3:23
  of
• 3:23
  Zen,
• 3:24
  but
• 3:24
  I,
• 3:24
  you
• 3:24
  know,
• 3:25
  I've
• 3:25
  studied
• 3:25
  really
• 3:26
  hard
• 3:26
  and
• 3:26
  very
• 3:26
  long
• 3:27
  and
• 3:27
  spent
• 3:28
  countless
• 3:28
  tens
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  thousands
• 3:29
  of
• 3:30
  hours
• 3:30
  in
• 3:30
  silent
• 3:31
  meditation
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  studied
• 3:32
  with
• 3:32
  some
• 3:32
  great
• 3:32
  teachers.
• 3:33
  And.
• 3:35
  Yeah,
• 3:35
  so,
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  know,
• 3:36
  so
• 3:37
  there's
• 3:37
  that.
• 3:38
  But
• 3:38
  at
• 3:38
  the
• 3:38
  same
• 3:38
  time,
• 3:39
  you
• 3:39
  know,
• 3:39
  my
• 3:39
  book
• 3:40
  has
• 3:40
  appealed
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  a
• 3:40
  lot
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  people
• 3:41
  who
• 3:41
  aren't
• 3:41
  even
• 3:42
  Zen
• 3:42
  practitioners
• 3:43
  who
• 3:43
  just.
• 3:43
  They
• 3:44
  read
• 3:44
  it
• 3:44
  and
• 3:44
  they
• 3:44
  love
• 3:44
  it.
• 3:45
  And
• 3:46
  so,
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  know,
• 3:46
  that's
• 3:47
  the
• 3:47
  other
• 3:47
  end
• 3:47
  of
• 3:47
  the
• 3:47
  spectrum.
• 3:48
  So
• 3:48
  how
• 3:48
  do
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  prepare
• 3:48
  yourself?
• 3:49
  Well,
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  could
• 3:49
  prepare
• 3:49
  yourself
• 3:50
  like
• 3:50
  me
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  sit
• 3:50
  on
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  black
• 3:51
  cushion
• 3:51
  for
• 3:52
  tens
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  thousands
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  hours
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  meet
• 3:53
  with
• 3:54
  amazing
• 3:54
  teachers,
• 3:55
  or
• 3:55
  you
• 3:55
  could
• 3:56
  prepare
• 3:56
  yourself
• 3:56
  by
• 3:56
  reading
• 3:57
  a
• 3:57
  book
• 3:57
  and
• 3:57
  thinking
• 3:58
  about
• 3:58
  it.
• 3:58
  Or,
• 3:59
  you
• 3:59
  know,
• 3:59
  there's
• 4:00
  a
• 4:00
  local
• 4:00
  Zen
• 4:00
  group.
• 4:01
  I'm
• 4:01
  in
• 4:01
  Buffalo,
• 4:01
  New
• 4:01
  York,
• 4:02
  right
• 4:02
  now,
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  there's
• 4:02
  a
• 4:02
  local
• 4:03
  Zen
• 4:03
  group
• 4:04
  that
• 4:04
  meets
• 4:05
  once
• 4:05
  a
• 4:05
  week,
• 4:06
  Tuesday
• 4:06
  nights.
• 4:07
  That's
• 4:07
  all
• 4:07
  they
• 4:07
  meet.
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  mean,
• 4:08
  when
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  was
• 4:08
  at
• 4:08
  Peter,
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  would
• 4:09
  sit
• 4:09
  almost,
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  know,
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  would
• 4:10
  sit
• 4:10
  several
• 4:10
  times
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  week
• 4:11
  with
• 4:11
  him,
• 4:11
  and
• 4:11
  then
• 4:11
  on
• 4:12
  my
• 4:12
  own
• 4:12
  at
• 4:12
  home.
• 4:12
  And.
• 4:13
  But,
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  know,
• 4:13
  this
• 4:14
  group,
• 4:14
  most
• 4:14
  of
• 4:15
  them,
• 4:15
  once
• 4:15
  a
• 4:15
  week
• 4:16
  is.
• 4:16
  Is
• 4:16
  fine,
• 4:16
  and
• 4:17
  that's
• 4:17
  good.
• 4:17
  And
• 4:17
  that
• 4:17
  will
• 4:18
  still.
• 4:19
  And
• 4:19
  then
• 4:19
  some
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  them
• 4:20
  also
• 4:20
  sit
• 4:20
  at
• 4:20
  home.
• 4:20
  But
• 4:20
  that
• 4:21
  will
• 4:21
  literally
• 4:22
  change
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  physical
• 4:23
  structure
• 4:24
  of
• 4:24
  your
• 4:24
  brain.
• 4:25
  It
• 4:25
  will
• 4:25
  create.
• 4:26
  So
• 4:27
  as
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  traumatic
• 4:27
  brain
• 4:27
  injury
• 4:28
  survivor,
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  am
• 4:30
  well
• 4:30
  versed
• 4:31
  than
• 4:31
  moral
• 4:31
  verse
• 4:32
  than
• 4:32
  most
• 4:32
  people
• 4:33
  about
• 4:33
  what
• 4:34
  they
• 4:34
  call
• 4:34
  neuroplasticity
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  ability
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  the
• 4:36
  brain
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  change
• 4:36
  and
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  reform
• 4:38
  itself.
• 4:38
  And
• 4:39
  so,
• 4:40
  you
• 4:40
  know,
• 4:41
  it's.
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  always
• 4:41
  say,
• 4:41
  people
• 4:42
  say,
• 4:42
  what
• 4:42
  is
• 4:42
  that?
• 4:42
  I
• 4:43
  say,
• 4:43
  it's
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  training
• 4:43
  method.
• 4:44
  It's
• 4:44
  really
• 4:44
  a
• 4:44
  training
• 4:44
  method
• 4:45
  to
• 4:45
  train
• 4:45
  your
• 4:45
  brain
• 4:46
  to
• 4:46
  be
• 4:46
  a
• 4:46
  little
• 4:46
  more
• 4:47
  compassionate,
• 4:47
  a
• 4:47
  little
• 4:47
  more
• 4:48
  mindful,
• 4:48
  and
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  can
• 4:49
  take
• 4:49
  it
• 4:50
  as
• 4:50
  far
• 4:50
  as
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  want.
• 4:50
  You
• 4:50
  know,
• 4:51
  it's
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  opposite
• 4:51
  of.
• 4:52
  Of
• 4:53
  going
• 4:53
  into
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  army
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  being
• 4:54
  trained
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  shoot
• 4:55
  guns.
• 4:56
  And,
• 4:56
  you
• 4:56
  know,
• 4:57
  Fight
• 4:57
  with
• 4:57
  people.
• 4:57
  And,
• 4:57
  you
• 4:58
  know,
• 4:58
  that's
• 4:58
  a
• 4:58
  different
• 4:58
  kind
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  training.
• 4:59
  It's
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  training.
• 5:00
  So
• 5:00
  it's
• 5:00
  a.
• 5:01
  How
• 5:01
  do
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  prepare
• 5:02
  yourself?
• 5:03
  You
• 5:03
  can,
• 5:03
  you
• 5:03
  know,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  can
• 5:04
  find
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  local
• 5:05
  meditation
• 5:05
  group,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  can
• 5:06
  read
• 5:06
  books,
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  can
• 5:07
  go
• 5:07
  on
• 5:07
  YouTube.
• 5:08
  There's
• 5:08
  plenty
• 5:08
  of
• 5:09
  people,
• 5:09
  you
• 5:09
  know,
• 5:10
  teaching
• 5:10
  on
• 5:10
  YouTube.
• 5:11
  But
• 5:11
  at
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  end
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  day,
• 5:11
  I
• 5:12
  do
• 5:12
  think
• 5:13
  it
• 5:13
  is
• 5:14
  important
• 5:14
  to
• 5:14
  get
• 5:14
  with
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  group
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  people
• 5:15
  and
• 5:16
  with
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  teacher
• 5:16
  at
• 5:16
  some
• 5:16
  point,
• 5:17
  because
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  really
• 5:18
  are
• 5:18
  going
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  feel
• 5:18
  things
• 5:19
  and
• 5:19
  see
• 5:19
  things
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  just.
• 5:20
  And
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  teacher
• 5:21
  is
• 5:21
  going
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  see
• 5:21
  things
• 5:21
  in
• 5:22
  you
• 5:22
  that,
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  know,
• 5:23
  a
• 5:24
  teacher
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  not
• 5:24
  going
• 5:24
  to
• 5:24
  see
• 5:25
  through
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  camera
• 5:26
  over
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  Internet
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  they're
• 5:26
  going
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  make
• 5:27
  suggestions
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  you.
• 5:28
  And,
• 5:28
  okay,
• 5:28
  this
• 5:28
  is,
• 5:28
  you
• 5:28
  know,
• 5:29
  think
• 5:29
  about
• 5:29
  this
• 5:29
  now
• 5:30
  or,
• 5:30
  you
• 5:30
  know,
• 5:30
  here's
• 5:30
  this,
• 5:32
  here's
• 5:32
  this
• 5:33
  mantra
• 5:33
  that
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  should
• 5:33
  use
• 5:34
  or,
• 5:34
  you
• 5:34
  know,
• 5:35
  or
• 5:35
  you
• 5:35
  should,
• 5:36
  whatever.
• 5:36
  So
• 5:36
  I
• 5:37
  think
• 5:37
  that
• 5:38
  there's
• 5:38
  a
• 5:39
  lot
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  things
• 5:39
  you
• 5:39
  can
• 5:39
  do.
• 5:42
  So,
• 5:43
  Adam
• 5:44
  and
• 5:44
  you,
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  had
• 5:45
  had
• 5:45
  a.
• 5:45
  In.
• 5:46
  In.
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  remember
• 5:47
  you
• 5:47
  talking
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  me
• 5:48
  about
• 5:48
  this
• 5:49
  when
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  were
• 5:50
  early
• 5:50
  on
• 5:50
  in
• 5:51
  college.
• 5:51
  You
• 5:51
  had
• 5:51
  had
• 5:51
  an
• 5:51
  open
• 5:52
  with
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  philosophy
• 5:52
  teacher.
• 5:54
  Yeah.
• 5:54
  As
• 5:55
  you
• 5:55
  were
• 5:55
  speaking,
• 5:55
  Lee,
• 5:55
  I
• 5:56
  was
• 5:56
  very
• 5:56
  curious.
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  do
• 5:58
  want
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  circle
• 5:58
  back
• 5:58
  on
• 5:58
  how
• 5:59
  your
• 5:59
  practice
• 5:59
  helped
• 6:00
  your
• 6:00
  healing
• 6:00
  process.
• 6:01
  That
• 6:01
  sounds
• 6:01
  very
• 6:01
  interesting
• 6:01
  to
• 6:02
  me.
• 6:02
  But
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  the,
• 6:04
  the.
• 6:04
  The
• 6:04
  spiritual
• 6:05
  journey,
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  think
• 6:05
  is
• 6:06
  one
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  most
• 6:06
  fascinating
• 6:07
  things
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  all
• 6:07
  our
• 6:08
  guests
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  we
• 6:08
  have
• 6:08
  two,
• 6:08
  two
• 6:09
  themes
• 6:09
  come
• 6:09
  up
• 6:10
  over
• 6:10
  and
• 6:10
  over.
• 6:11
  Healing
• 6:11
  and
• 6:11
  spiritual
• 6:11
  journey.
• 6:13
  The
• 6:13
  spiritual
• 6:14
  journey,
• 6:14
  for
• 6:14
  me,
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  think,
• 6:15
  as
• 6:15
  you're
• 6:16
  talking
• 6:16
  about
• 6:16
  preparing
• 6:17
  first
• 6:17
  is
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  make
• 6:17
  a
• 6:18
  choice,
• 6:18
  like
• 6:19
  you're
• 6:19
  tired
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  this
• 6:20
  pattern,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  want
• 6:20
  to
• 6:21
  try
• 6:21
  something
• 6:21
  new.
• 6:22
  So,
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:23
  when
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  had
• 6:23
  sick
• 6:23
  when
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  was
• 6:24
  16,
• 6:24
  I
• 6:24
  tell
• 6:24
  this
• 6:24
  story,
• 6:24
  I
• 6:24
  went
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  go
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  library
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  start
• 6:26
  researching
• 6:26
  Buddhism
• 6:26
  out
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  blue
• 6:27
  because
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  was
• 6:27
  tired
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  my
• 6:28
  patterns
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  puppy
• 6:29
  love
• 6:29
  that
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  was
• 6:29
  in
• 6:31
  then.
• 6:32
  Then
• 6:32
  it
• 6:32
  was
• 6:32
  really
• 6:32
  interesting
• 6:33
  though,
• 6:33
  because
• 6:33
  then
• 6:33
  teachers
• 6:34
  started
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  appear.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  think
• 6:35
  your
• 6:35
  point
• 6:35
  about
• 6:35
  having
• 6:36
  a
• 6:36
  teacher
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  just
• 6:38
  invaluable.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:40
  it's.
• 6:41
  It's
• 6:41
  like
• 6:41
  when
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  pupil's
• 6:42
  ready,
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  teacher
• 6:42
  appears
• 6:42
  kind
• 6:43
  of
• 6:43
  saying.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:44
  then
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  think
• 6:44
  when,
• 6:45
  when.
• 6:45
  When
• 6:46
  someone.
• 6:46
  Not
• 6:46
  to
• 6:47
  get
• 6:47
  into
• 6:47
  a
• 6:47
  guru
• 6:47
  worship
• 6:48
  type
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  thing,
• 6:49
  but
• 6:49
  I
• 6:49
  think
• 6:49
  we've
• 6:49
  all
• 6:49
  had,
• 6:50
  all
• 6:50
  three
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  us
• 6:50
  had
• 6:50
  an
• 6:50
  experience
• 6:51
  where
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  teacher
• 6:51
  was
• 6:52
  just
• 6:52
  so
• 6:53
  profound
• 6:53
  for
• 6:53
  us,
• 6:54
  there's
• 6:54
  just
• 6:55
  nothing
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  could
• 6:56
  replace
• 6:56
  that.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  so
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  think
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  want
• 6:58
  to
• 6:59
  encourage
• 6:59
  people
• 7:00
  that
• 7:00
  when
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  find
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  teacher
• 7:01
  that
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  really
• 7:02
  resonate
• 7:02
  with,
• 7:04
  it's
• 7:04
  almost
• 7:04
  like
• 7:05
  put
• 7:05
  a
• 7:06
  lot
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  stuff
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  side,
• 7:08
  dive
• 7:08
  right
• 7:08
  into
• 7:08
  that,
• 7:09
  really
• 7:09
  embrace
• 7:10
  that.
• 7:10
  And
• 7:11
  if,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  think
• 7:12
  that's
• 7:13
  one
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  best
• 7:13
  ways
• 7:13
  you
• 7:13
  can
• 7:14
  make
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  lot
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  progress
• 7:14
  is
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  point.
• 7:15
  But
• 7:16
  going
• 7:16
  back
• 7:16
  to
• 7:16
  your
• 7:16
  healing,
• 7:17
  your
• 7:17
  healing
• 7:18
  journey,
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  just
• 7:21
  find
• 7:21
  it
• 7:21
  so
• 7:21
  fascinating.
• 7:22
  I
• 7:22
  assume
• 7:23
  you
• 7:23
  were
• 7:23
  already
• 7:24
  into
• 7:25
  Zen
• 7:25
  Buddhism
• 7:26
  before
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  had
• 7:26
  your
• 7:26
  accident.
• 7:28
  Yes.
• 7:28
  So,
• 7:29
  so
• 7:29
  then
• 7:29
  after
• 7:30
  you
• 7:30
  had
• 7:30
  your
• 7:30
  accident,
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  want
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  know
• 7:33
  more
• 7:34
  about,
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  I'm
• 7:34
  so
• 7:35
  sorry
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  happened
• 7:35
  by
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  way,
• 7:36
  but
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  want
• 7:36
  to
• 7:37
  know
• 7:37
  more
• 7:37
  about
• 7:37
  what
• 7:37
  the
• 7:38
  process
• 7:38
  was
• 7:38
  of
• 7:38
  your
• 7:38
  meditation
• 7:39
  and,
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  your
• 7:40
  healing
• 7:41
  process.
• 7:41
  And,
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  I
• 7:42
  know
• 7:43
  my,
• 7:43
  my
• 7:43
  brother
• 7:44
  in
• 7:44
  law
• 7:44
  had
• 7:44
  tbi
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  they
• 7:45
  said
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  first
• 7:46
  year
• 7:46
  or
• 7:46
  so
• 7:46
  is
• 7:46
  where
• 7:47
  all
• 7:47
  this
• 7:47
  progress
• 7:47
  made
• 7:48
  is
• 7:48
  made.
• 7:49
  My
• 7:49
  father
• 7:49
  had
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  stroke.
• 7:50
  It
• 7:50
  was
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  similar
• 7:51
  thing.
• 7:51
  So
• 7:52
  I
• 7:52
  want
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  ask
• 7:52
  you,
• 7:52
  could
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  really
• 7:53
  give
• 7:53
  us
• 7:53
  a,
• 7:54
  you
• 7:54
  know,
• 7:55
  behind
• 7:55
  the
• 7:56
  scenes
• 7:56
  inside
• 7:56
  baseball
• 7:57
  about
• 7:57
  how
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  meditation
• 7:58
  went
• 7:58
  for
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  and
• 7:58
  how
• 7:58
  you,
• 7:59
  how
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  helped
• 8:00
  your,
• 8:00
  yourself
• 8:00
  heal?
• 8:01
  Sure.
• 8:02
  So
• 8:04
  you're
• 8:04
  right.
• 8:04
  I,
• 8:04
  I
• 8:05
  first
• 8:05
  stumbled
• 8:05
  across
• 8:06
  being
• 8:07
  interested
• 8:07
  in
• 8:07
  Buddhism
• 8:08
  and
• 8:08
  Zen
• 8:08
  in
• 8:09
  college.
• 8:09
  I
• 8:10
  had
• 8:10
  a
• 8:10
  really
• 8:10
  wonderful
• 8:12
  teacher,
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  comparative
• 8:13
  religion
• 8:13
  teacher.
• 8:14
  I,
• 8:14
  I
• 8:15
  read
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  Snow
• 8:16
  Leopard
• 8:17
  by
• 8:17
  Peter
• 8:17
  Madison.
• 8:18
  It
• 8:18
  had
• 8:18
  just
• 8:18
  come
• 8:19
  out
• 8:19
  like,
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  know,
• 8:19
  a
• 8:20
  couple
• 8:20
  years
• 8:20
  before.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  whole
• 8:21
  story
• 8:21
  of
• 8:21
  how
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  read
• 8:22
  it
• 8:22
  is
• 8:22
  in
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  book.
• 8:22
  It
• 8:22
  was
• 8:22
  this
• 8:23
  amazing
• 8:23
  sort
• 8:23
  of
• 8:24
  coincidence,
• 8:25
  but,
• 8:26
  but
• 8:26
  it,
• 8:27
  it
• 8:27
  was
• 8:27
  between
• 8:28
  my
• 8:28
  junior
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  senior
• 8:29
  years
• 8:29
  in
• 8:29
  college
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  so
• 8:30
  I
• 8:30
  went
• 8:30
  back
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  school
• 8:30
  and
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  enrolled
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  never
• 8:32
  had
• 8:32
  any
• 8:32
  rel.
• 8:32
  You
• 8:33
  know,
• 8:33
  religious
• 8:33
  interest
• 8:34
  really.
• 8:34
  But
• 8:34
  after
• 8:34
  reading
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  Snow
• 8:35
  Leopard,
• 8:35
  I
• 8:35
  was
• 8:36
  like,
• 8:36
  wow,
• 8:36
  this
• 8:36
  is
• 8:36
  really
• 8:36
  cool,
• 8:37
  this
• 8:37
  whole
• 8:37
  Buddhism
• 8:37
  stuff.
• 8:38
  So
• 8:38
  I
• 8:38
  enrolled
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  this
• 8:39
  comparative
• 8:39
  religions
• 8:40
  course
• 8:40
  taught
• 8:40
  by
• 8:40
  a
• 8:41
  wonderful
• 8:41
  teacher,
• 8:41
  Dr.
• 8:41
  Joel
• 8:42
  Smith.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  he
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  are
• 8:43
  still
• 8:43
  friends,
• 8:43
  we're
• 8:43
  still
• 8:44
  in
• 8:44
  touch.
• 8:44
  He's
• 8:45
  retired,
• 8:45
  but,
• 8:46
  but
• 8:46
  anyway,
• 8:47
  so,
• 8:48
  so
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  started
• 8:49
  me
• 8:49
  down
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  path
• 8:50
  when
• 8:50
  I'm
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  my,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know,
• 8:51
  21
• 8:52
  years
• 8:52
  old
• 8:52
  and,
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  then,
• 8:53
  but
• 8:54
  I'm
• 8:54
  still
• 8:54
  too
• 8:54
  young.
• 8:54
  I'm
• 8:55
  still
• 8:55
  like,
• 8:55
  you
• 8:55
  know,
• 8:56
  into
• 8:56
  girls
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  sports
• 8:57
  and
• 8:58
  drugs
• 8:59
  and
• 8:59
  whatever.
• 9:01
  So
• 9:02
  anyway,
• 9:02
  so
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  get
• 9:03
  married
• 9:03
  and
• 9:03
  my
• 9:03
  wife,
• 9:04
  you
• 9:04
  know,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  took,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:05
  started
• 9:05
  to
• 9:05
  get
• 9:05
  more
• 9:05
  interested
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  when
• 9:06
  you're
• 9:06
  in
• 9:06
  New
• 9:06
  York
• 9:07
  City,
• 9:07
  there's
• 9:07
  some
• 9:07
  really
• 9:08
  amazing
• 9:08
  teachers
• 9:09
  there.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  started
• 9:10
  and,
• 9:10
  but
• 9:10
  my
• 9:10
  wife
• 9:11
  was
• 9:11
  a
• 9:12
  reformed
• 9:13
  Catholic
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  she
• 9:13
  wanted
• 9:14
  nothing.
• 9:14
  She
• 9:14
  thought
• 9:15
  anything
• 9:15
  having
• 9:15
  to
• 9:15
  do
• 9:15
  with
• 9:16
  any
• 9:16
  kind
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  religion
• 9:16
  she
• 9:16
  wanted,
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  know,
• 9:17
  so
• 9:17
  I
• 9:18
  sort
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  put
• 9:18
  it
• 9:18
  on
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  back
• 9:18
  shelf.
• 9:19
  And
• 9:20
  so
• 9:20
  when
• 9:22
  we
• 9:22
  started
• 9:22
  having
• 9:23
  problems
• 9:23
  in
• 9:23
  our
• 9:23
  marriage,
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  remembered
• 9:27
  reading
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  Snow
• 9:27
  Leopard
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  Peter
• 9:28
  Matheson
• 9:29
  lived
• 9:30
  kind
• 9:30
  of
• 9:30
  near
• 9:31
  where
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  was
• 9:31
  living
• 9:31
  at
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  time,
• 9:32
  out
• 9:32
  on
• 9:32
  eastern
• 9:32
  Long
• 9:33
  island.
• 9:34
  And,
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  the
• 9:35
  Internet
• 9:35
  was
• 9:35
  just
• 9:35
  coming
• 9:35
  online
• 9:36
  and
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  googled,
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  found,
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  found
• 9:37
  his,
• 9:37
  his
• 9:37
  address
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  sent
• 9:38
  him
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  letter
• 9:39
  saying,
• 9:39
  hey,
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  could
• 9:39
  use
• 9:40
  some,
• 9:40
  you
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:40
  Some
• 9:41
  grounding.
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  need
• 9:41
  something
• 9:42
  right
• 9:42
  now.
• 9:42
  And
• 9:42
  I
• 9:43
  hear
• 9:43
  you
• 9:43
  have
• 9:44
  students.
• 9:44
  Are
• 9:44
  you
• 9:44
  taking
• 9:44
  new
• 9:45
  students?
• 9:45
  And
• 9:45
  he
• 9:45
  said,
• 9:45
  yeah,
• 9:45
  come
• 9:46
  on
• 9:46
  over.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  started
• 9:48
  a
• 9:48
  really
• 9:48
  won,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  know,
• 9:50
  15
• 9:50
  years
• 9:51
  with
• 9:51
  him.
• 9:52
  And,
• 9:52
  and
• 9:52
  it
• 9:52
  was
• 9:53
  about.
• 9:53
  So
• 9:53
  I'd
• 9:53
  been
• 9:53
  studying
• 9:54
  with
• 9:54
  him
• 9:54
  for
• 9:54
  about
• 9:55
  two
• 9:55
  years
• 9:55
  when.
• 9:58
  When
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  had
• 9:58
  my
• 9:58
  accident.
• 9:59
  And
• 9:59
  my
• 9:59
  accident
• 10:00
  was.
• 10:01
  For
• 10:01
  those
• 10:01
  who
• 10:01
  don't
• 10:01
  know
• 10:02
  who
• 10:02
  read
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  book,
• 10:02
  it's.
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  was
• 10:04
  hit
• 10:04
  by
• 10:04
  a
• 10:04
  car,
• 10:05
  but
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  was
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  pedestrian.
• 10:06
  And,
• 10:06
  and
• 10:07
  when
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  was
• 10:07
  hit
• 10:07
  by
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  car,
• 10:08
  I,
• 10:08
  I
• 10:08
  like
• 10:08
  to
• 10:08
  view
• 10:08
  it
• 10:08
  as
• 10:09
  like
• 10:09
  a
• 10:10
  old
• 10:10
  Wiley
• 10:11
  Coyote
• 10:11
  Roadrunner
• 10:12
  cartoon
• 10:12
  where
• 10:12
  I
• 10:12
  went
• 10:12
  flying
• 10:13
  through
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  air
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  came
• 10:14
  down
• 10:14
  on
• 10:14
  my
• 10:14
  head,
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  there's,
• 10:15
  like,
• 10:15
  circles
• 10:15
  and
• 10:16
  stars,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:16
  flying
• 10:17
  around
• 10:17
  my
• 10:17
  head.
• 10:18
  But.
• 10:18
  But
• 10:18
  the
• 10:19
  reality
• 10:19
  was
• 10:19
  I
• 10:19
  had
• 10:20
  a
• 10:20
  traumatic
• 10:21
  brain
• 10:21
  injury.
• 10:21
  There
• 10:21
  was
• 10:22
  cerebral
• 10:22
  spinal
• 10:22
  fluid
• 10:23
  coming
• 10:23
  out
• 10:23
  from
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  crack
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  my
• 10:24
  head
• 10:24
  on
• 10:24
  the
• 10:25
  sidewalk,
• 10:25
  and
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  was
• 10:26
  unconscious.
• 10:27
  And
• 10:28
  so
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  got
• 10:29
  taken
• 10:29
  to
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  neurological
• 10:30
  icu,
• 10:31
  and
• 10:32
  after
• 10:32
  being
• 10:32
  there
• 10:33
  for
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  little
• 10:33
  bit,
• 10:35
  they
• 10:35
  let
• 10:35
  me
• 10:36
  out.
• 10:36
  They
• 10:36
  said,
• 10:37
  you
• 10:37
  can't
• 10:38
  go
• 10:38
  home
• 10:38
  because
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  just
• 10:39
  can't.
• 10:40
  You
• 10:40
  can't
• 10:40
  handle
• 10:41
  that
• 10:41
  atmosphere.
• 10:41
  It
• 10:42
  would
• 10:42
  be
• 10:42
  terrible
• 10:43
  for
• 10:43
  your
• 10:43
  recovery.
• 10:43
  Where
• 10:44
  are
• 10:44
  you
• 10:44
  going
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  go?
• 10:44
  So
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  went
• 10:44
  to
• 10:45
  Florida
• 10:45
  where
• 10:45
  my
• 10:45
  father
• 10:46
  lived,
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  lived
• 10:46
  with
• 10:47
  him
• 10:47
  while
• 10:47
  I
• 10:48
  went
• 10:48
  to
• 10:48
  rehab.
• 10:48
  And
• 10:49
  you're
• 10:49
  right,
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  first
• 10:49
  year
• 10:50
  is
• 10:50
  a,
• 10:50
  like,
• 10:50
  key.
• 10:51
  But
• 10:52
  there's.
• 10:52
  You
• 10:52
  know,
• 10:52
  everybody
• 10:53
  thinks
• 10:53
  Zen
• 10:53
  is
• 10:53
  so
• 10:53
  serious,
• 10:54
  and
• 10:54
  it
• 10:54
  is,
• 10:54
  but
• 10:54
  there.
• 10:54
  You
• 10:55
  have
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  find
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  humor
• 10:55
  in
• 10:55
  this
• 10:56
  stuff,
• 10:56
  too.
• 10:56
  So
• 10:56
  I,
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  get
• 10:57
  to
• 10:58
  Florida,
• 10:59
  and
• 10:59
  I.
• 10:59
  And
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  have
• 11:00
  my
• 11:00
  first
• 11:00
  meeting
• 11:00
  with
• 11:01
  my
• 11:01
  new
• 11:01
  neurologist.
• 11:02
  And
• 11:02
  I'm
• 11:03
  very
• 11:03
  sheepishly,
• 11:04
  I
• 11:04
  go,
• 11:05
  I
• 11:05
  go,
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  know,
• 11:06
  he's
• 11:06
  telling
• 11:06
  me
• 11:06
  what
• 11:07
  I
• 11:07
  tested
• 11:07
  out
• 11:07
  and
• 11:07
  what
• 11:08
  happened
• 11:08
  to
• 11:08
  me
• 11:08
  and
• 11:08
  all
• 11:08
  this
• 11:09
  stuff
• 11:09
  and
• 11:09
  all
• 11:09
  this
• 11:10
  jargon,
• 11:10
  and
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  kind
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  go,
• 11:13
  excuse
• 11:13
  me,
• 11:15
  Mr.
• 11:15
  Neurologist.
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  have
• 11:16
  this
• 11:16
  thing
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  do.
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  try
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  stop
• 11:18
  my
• 11:18
  brain
• 11:19
  from
• 11:19
  thinking.
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  try
• 11:20
  to,
• 11:20
  like,
• 11:20
  stop
• 11:20
  all
• 11:21
  thought.
• 11:21
  And,
• 11:22
  And
• 11:22
  I.
• 11:22
  That
• 11:23
  sounds
• 11:23
  like
• 11:23
  that's
• 11:24
  not
• 11:24
  really
• 11:24
  good
• 11:24
  for
• 11:24
  my
• 11:24
  recovery,
• 11:25
  like,
• 11:25
  you
• 11:26
  know,
• 11:26
  because
• 11:26
  you're
• 11:27
  gonna
• 11:27
  have
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  retrain
• 11:27
  me
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  rethink
• 11:28
  again.
• 11:28
  Literally.
• 11:29
  Like,
• 11:29
  you
• 11:29
  know,
• 11:29
  I,
• 11:30
  I.
• 11:30
  And,
• 11:31
  and
• 11:31
  he
• 11:32
  started
• 11:32
  laughing.
• 11:32
  He's
• 11:33
  like,
• 11:33
  no,
• 11:33
  no,
• 11:33
  no.
• 11:33
  He
• 11:33
  goes,
• 11:34
  actually.
• 11:34
  And
• 11:34
  he
• 11:34
  was
• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  young
• 11:35
  guy,
• 11:35
  thank
• 11:35
  God.
• 11:35
  He
• 11:35
  was
• 11:36
  up
• 11:36
  on
• 11:36
  all
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  latest
• 11:36
  literature.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  he
• 11:37
  said,
• 11:37
  no,
• 11:37
  all
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  literature.
• 11:38
  Show
• 11:39
  that
• 11:39
  that
• 11:39
  is
• 11:39
  really
• 11:40
  good
• 11:40
  for
• 11:40
  your
• 11:40
  recovery.
• 11:41
  Meditation
• 11:41
  will
• 11:42
  be
• 11:42
  really
• 11:42
  wonderful.
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  want
• 11:44
  you
• 11:44
  to
• 11:44
  keep
• 11:44
  doing
• 11:44
  it.
• 11:44
  Don't
• 11:45
  stop.
• 11:45
  Like,
• 11:46
  you
• 11:46
  know,
• 11:46
  it
• 11:46
  will
• 11:46
  help
• 11:46
  your
• 11:47
  brain
• 11:47
  heal.
• 11:48
  And
• 11:48
  then
• 11:49
  he
• 11:49
  said
• 11:49
  something
• 11:49
  really
• 11:49
  interesting,
• 11:50
  which
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  love.
• 11:50
  This
• 11:50
  is
• 11:50
  another
• 11:51
  funny
• 11:51
  part.
• 11:51
  He's
• 11:51
  like.
• 11:52
  He's
• 11:52
  like,
• 11:52
  yeah,
• 11:53
  he
• 11:53
  goes,
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  might
• 11:53
  end
• 11:54
  up
• 11:54
  being
• 11:54
  like
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  Stevie
• 11:55
  Wonder
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  Zen
• 11:56
  students
• 11:57
  said,
• 11:57
  you
• 11:57
  know,
• 11:58
  just
• 11:59
  because
• 11:59
  you've
• 11:59
  injured
• 12:00
  certain
• 12:00
  parts
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  your
• 12:00
  brain,
• 12:01
  other
• 12:01
  parts
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  your
• 12:01
  brain,
• 12:02
  like
• 12:02
  your,
• 12:02
  your,
• 12:03
  your
• 12:03
  spiritual
• 12:03
  side
• 12:04
  will
• 12:04
  get
• 12:04
  stronger
• 12:04
  to
• 12:05
  compensate
• 12:05
  and
• 12:06
  you
• 12:06
  might
• 12:06
  have
• 12:06
  all
• 12:06
  sorts
• 12:07
  of
• 12:07
  great
• 12:07
  things.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:08
  I
• 12:08
  just
• 12:08
  laughed.
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  thought
• 12:09
  that
• 12:09
  was
• 12:09
  really
• 12:09
  wonderful.
• 12:10
  So,
• 12:12
  you
• 12:12
  know,
• 12:12
  not
• 12:12
  to
• 12:12
  get
• 12:12
  into
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  neurological
• 12:13
  weeds
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  what
• 12:14
  happens,
• 12:14
  but
• 12:14
  with
• 12:15
  neuroplasticity,
• 12:16
  there's
• 12:17
  a
• 12:17
  number
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  things
• 12:17
  that
• 12:17
  can
• 12:17
  happen.
• 12:18
  Like
• 12:18
  literally
• 12:18
  there
• 12:19
  is
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  part
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  my
• 12:19
  brain
• 12:20
  that
• 12:20
  is
• 12:20
  dead.
• 12:21
  You
• 12:21
  can
• 12:22
  still
• 12:22
  see
• 12:22
  it.
• 12:22
  Like,
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  have
• 12:22
  a
• 12:23
  new
• 12:23
  neurologist
• 12:23
  and
• 12:23
  he
• 12:23
  looked
• 12:24
  at
• 12:24
  my,
• 12:24
  my
• 12:25
  recent
• 12:25
  brain
• 12:25
  scans
• 12:26
  and
• 12:26
  he
• 12:26
  was
• 12:26
  like,
• 12:26
  oh
• 12:26
  my
• 12:26
  God.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  I
• 12:26
  said,
• 12:27
  no,
• 12:27
  no,
• 12:27
  that's,
• 12:27
  that's
• 12:28
  been
• 12:28
  there.
• 12:28
  Like,
• 12:28
  that's
• 12:29
  okay.
• 12:30
  Because
• 12:30
  other
• 12:31
  parts
• 12:31
  of
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  brain,
• 12:32
  you
• 12:32
  know,
• 12:33
  kind
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  take
• 12:33
  over
• 12:34
  and,
• 12:34
  and,
• 12:34
  but
• 12:35
  also
• 12:35
  when
• 12:35
  you
• 12:35
  sit
• 12:36
  every
• 12:36
  day
• 12:36
  and
• 12:37
  you
• 12:37
  meditate
• 12:37
  and
• 12:38
  you're
• 12:38
  calm
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  you
• 12:38
  really
• 12:39
  develop
• 12:40
  focus
• 12:40
  and,
• 12:41
  and
• 12:41
  presence
• 12:41
  and
• 12:42
  mindfulness
• 12:42
  and
• 12:42
  all
• 12:42
  those
• 12:43
  things,
• 12:44
  you
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  developing
• 12:45
  those
• 12:45
  parts
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  your
• 12:45
  brain
• 12:46
  that
• 12:46
  can
• 12:46
  do
• 12:46
  that
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  you're
• 12:47
  making
• 12:47
  them
• 12:47
  stronger.
• 12:47
  Just
• 12:48
  like,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:49
  if
• 12:49
  you
• 12:49
  want
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  do
• 12:49
  bicep
• 12:50
  curls
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  make
• 12:50
  your
• 12:50
  arms
• 12:51
  stronger.
• 12:51
  What,
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  know,
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  mean,
• 12:52
  you're
• 12:52
  doing
• 12:53
  something
• 12:53
  to
• 12:53
  make
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  part
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  your
• 12:54
  brain
• 12:54
  stronger,
• 12:55
  which
• 12:55
  is
• 12:56
  you're
• 12:56
  developing
• 12:57
  that
• 12:57
  mindfulness
• 12:58
  part.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:59
  you
• 12:59
  know,
• 13:00
  they've
• 13:00
  done
• 13:00
  studies,
• 13:00
  they
• 13:00
  see
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  it,
• 13:01
  it
• 13:01
  literally
• 13:02
  can
• 13:02
  change
• 13:02
  the
• 13:03
  structure
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  your
• 13:03
  brain
• 13:04
  at
• 13:04
  a,
• 13:04
  at
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  microscopic
• 13:05
  and
• 13:05
  a
• 13:05
  macroscopic
• 13:06
  level.
• 13:06
  So.
• 13:07
  Yeah.
• 13:07
  Well,
• 13:08
  we
• 13:08
  have
• 13:08
  to
• 13:08
  take
• 13:08
  a
• 13:08
  short
• 13:09
  break.
• 13:09
  I'm
• 13:09
  Anthony
• 13:09
  Wright
• 13:10
  and
• 13:10
  I
• 13:10
  am
• 13:11
  your
• 13:11
  co
• 13:11
  host
• 13:11
  with
• 13:12
  Adam
• 13:13
  Dietz.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:13
  we
• 13:14
  are
• 13:14
  talking
• 13:14
  with
• 13:14
  our
• 13:15
  guest,
• 13:16
  Lee
• 13:16
  Carlson.
• 13:17
  And
• 13:17
  how
• 13:17
  can
• 13:17
  people
• 13:18
  contact
• 13:18
  you,
• 13:18
  Lee?
• 13:19
  So
• 13:19
  my
• 13:20
  website
• 13:20
  is
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  best
• 13:20
  way.
• 13:21
  It's
• 13:21
  Lee
• 13:21
  Carlson.life,
• 13:22
  not
• 13:22
  dot
• 13:22
  com,
• 13:23
  but
• 13:23
  Lee
• 13:23
  Carlson
• 13:23
  life.
• 13:24
  Because
• 13:24
  that's
• 13:24
  what
• 13:24
  we're
• 13:24
  talking
• 13:25
  about
• 13:25
  here.
• 13:25
  And
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  want
• 13:26
  to
• 13:26
  say
• 13:26
  one
• 13:27
  more
• 13:27
  thing
• 13:27
  about
• 13:27
  my
• 13:27
  website.
• 13:28
  If
• 13:28
  people
• 13:28
  go
• 13:28
  there,
• 13:28
  because
• 13:29
  we
• 13:29
  were
• 13:29
  just
• 13:29
  talking
• 13:29
  about
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  importance
• 13:30
  of
• 13:30
  teachers
• 13:30
  and
• 13:30
  finding
• 13:31
  a
• 13:31
  good
• 13:31
  teacher,
• 13:32
  one
• 13:32
  of
• 13:33
  those
• 13:33
  little
• 13:33
  boxes
• 13:33
  will
• 13:34
  pop
• 13:34
  up
• 13:34
  asking
• 13:34
  for
• 13:34
  your
• 13:35
  email.
• 13:35
  If
• 13:36
  you
• 13:36
  want.
• 13:36
  You
• 13:36
  don't
• 13:36
  have
• 13:36
  to,
• 13:37
  but
• 13:37
  if
• 13:37
  you
• 13:37
  want
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  enter
• 13:38
  your
• 13:38
  email,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  will
• 13:39
  get
• 13:39
  sent
• 13:39
  to
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  a
• 13:40
  25
• 13:40
  page
• 13:41
  guide
• 13:41
  to
• 13:42
  finding
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  good
• 13:42
  teacher.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:44
  it
• 13:44
  covers
• 13:45
  everything.
• 13:45
  And
• 13:45
  it
• 13:46
  comes
• 13:46
  from
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  chapter
• 13:46
  in
• 13:46
  my
• 13:47
  book.
• 13:47
  Because
• 13:47
  a
• 13:47
  friend
• 13:48
  of
• 13:48
  mine
• 13:48
  who's
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  Tai
• 13:49
  chi
• 13:49
  master
• 13:49
  read
• 13:50
  my
• 13:50
  book
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  he
• 13:50
  read
• 13:50
  that
• 13:51
  part
• 13:51
  of
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  book.
• 13:51
  He
• 13:51
  goes,
• 13:51
  oh
• 13:52
  my
• 13:52
  God,
• 13:52
  I
• 13:53
  wish
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  could
• 13:53
  give
• 13:53
  this
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  my
• 13:54
  students.
• 13:54
  So
• 13:54
  many
• 13:54
  people
• 13:54
  ask
• 13:54
  me,
• 13:55
  how
• 13:55
  do
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  find
• 13:55
  a
• 13:55
  good
• 13:55
  teacher?
• 13:56
  And
• 13:56
  I'm
• 13:56
  like,
• 13:56
  well,
• 13:56
  then
• 13:57
  let's
• 13:57
  take
• 13:57
  it
• 13:58
  out
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  book
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  let's
• 13:59
  give
• 13:59
  it
• 13:59
  away
• 13:59
  free
• 14:00
  to
• 14:00
  people.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:01
  so
• 14:01
  that's
• 14:01
  something
• 14:01
  that
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  can
• 14:02
  get
• 14:02
  if
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  go
• 14:02
  there.
• 14:03
  Great.
• 14:04
  All
• 14:04
  right.
• 14:04
  We'll
• 14:04
  take
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  short
• 14:05
  break
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  be
• 14:05
  right
• 14:05
  back.
• 14:06
  So
• 14:06
  stay
• 14:06
  tuned.
• 14:07
  I'm
• 14:08
  Anthony
• 14:08
  Wright
• 14:08
  and
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  am
• 14:09
  your
• 14:10
  co
• 14:10
  host
• 14:10
  today
• 14:11
  with
• 14:12
  Adam
• 14:12
  Dietz.
• 14:13
  Welcome
• 14:13
  back.
• 14:13
  And
• 14:14
  we're
• 14:14
  talking
• 14:15
  with
• 14:15
  our
• 14:15
  guest,
• 14:16
  Lee
• 14:16
  Carlson.
• 14:19
  And
• 14:19
  Lee,
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  were
• 14:20
  talking
• 14:20
  about
• 14:20
  your
• 14:21
  traumatic
• 14:21
  brain
• 14:22
  injury
• 14:23
  and
• 14:26
  did
• 14:26
  you
• 14:28
  so
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  found
• 14:29
  that
• 14:30
  sitting
• 14:30
  on
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  black
• 14:31
  cushion
• 14:31
  had
• 14:32
  helped
• 14:33
  with
• 14:33
  the
• 14:34
  rehabilitation.
• 14:39
  Can
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  speak
• 14:40
  a
• 14:40
  little
• 14:40
  bit
• 14:40
  more.
• 14:40
  About
• 14:41
  that
• 14:42
  because
• 14:42
  it
• 14:42
  seems
• 14:42
  like
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  made
• 14:42
  such
• 14:43
  an
• 14:43
  amazing
• 14:43
  recovery
• 14:43
  from
• 14:44
  such
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  traumatic
• 14:44
  event.
• 14:46
  Well,
• 14:46
  that's
• 14:46
  why
• 14:46
  I
• 14:47
  wrote
• 14:47
  my
• 14:47
  first
• 14:47
  book,
• 14:47
  because
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  neurologist
• 14:49
  said
• 14:49
  to
• 14:49
  me,
• 14:50
  he
• 14:50
  said,
• 14:51
  you're
• 14:51
  really
• 14:51
  lucky.
• 14:52
  He
• 14:52
  said,
• 14:52
  you
• 14:53
  one
• 14:53
  of
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  few
• 14:53
  people
• 14:53
  that
• 14:54
  went
• 14:54
  to
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  edge
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  came
• 14:55
  back.
• 14:55
  He
• 14:55
  said
• 14:55
  a
• 14:55
  little
• 14:56
  bit
• 14:56
  more
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  you
• 14:57
  would
• 14:57
  have
• 14:57
  been
• 14:57
  in
• 14:57
  a
• 14:57
  wheelchair,
• 14:58
  drooling
• 14:58
  for
• 14:58
  life.
• 14:59
  He
• 14:59
  said,
• 15:00
  a
• 15:00
  little
• 15:00
  bit
• 15:00
  less,
• 15:00
  you
• 15:00
  would
• 15:00
  have
• 15:00
  had
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  concussion.
• 15:01
  Not
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  bad
• 15:02
  question.
• 15:02
  But
• 15:02
  it
• 15:02
  wouldn't
• 15:02
  have
• 15:02
  been,
• 15:03
  you
• 15:03
  know,
• 15:03
  what
• 15:03
  you
• 15:04
  had.
• 15:04
  And
• 15:05
  he
• 15:05
  said
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  fact
• 15:05
  that
• 15:06
  you
• 15:06
  have
• 15:06
  recovered
• 15:07
  so
• 15:07
  well
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  fact
• 15:09
  you're
• 15:09
  a
• 15:09
  writer.
• 15:10
  So
• 15:10
  now
• 15:10
  a
• 15:10
  lot
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  people
• 15:10
  know
• 15:11
  about
• 15:11
  tbi.
• 15:11
  This,
• 15:12
  this
• 15:12
  was
• 15:12
  before
• 15:12
  the
• 15:13
  NFL
• 15:13
  and
• 15:14
  before,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  know,
• 15:14
  all
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  stuff.
• 15:15
  And
• 15:15
  so
• 15:16
  TBI
• 15:17
  wasn't
• 15:17
  known
• 15:17
  as
• 15:18
  well.
• 15:19
  So
• 15:19
  he
• 15:19
  said
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  could
• 15:20
  really
• 15:20
  help
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  lot
• 15:21
  of
• 15:21
  people
• 15:21
  by
• 15:21
  writing
• 15:22
  a
• 15:22
  book
• 15:22
  about
• 15:22
  it.
• 15:22
  And
• 15:23
  he
• 15:23
  said
• 15:23
  also
• 15:23
  that
• 15:23
  would
• 15:23
  help
• 15:23
  your
• 15:24
  recovery
• 15:24
  because
• 15:24
  it
• 15:24
  will
• 15:24
  get
• 15:24
  your
• 15:25
  writing
• 15:25
  again.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:27
  and
• 15:27
  so
• 15:28
  I
• 15:28
  was
• 15:28
  very
• 15:29
  fortunate
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  I
• 15:29
  had
• 15:30
  a
• 15:30
  really
• 15:30
  good
• 15:30
  set
• 15:30
  of
• 15:30
  doctors.
• 15:31
  Not
• 15:31
  everybody
• 15:31
  gets
• 15:32
  that.
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  had
• 15:32
  good
• 15:33
  insurance
• 15:33
  and
• 15:33
  I
• 15:33
  had
• 15:34
  a
• 15:34
  neurologist
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  neuropsychologist
• 15:36
  and
• 15:36
  a
• 15:37
  physical
• 15:38
  therapist
• 15:38
  and
• 15:39
  a
• 15:40
  brain
• 15:40
  therapist.
• 15:41
  And
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  was
• 15:42
  really
• 15:42
  great.
• 15:42
  So
• 15:42
  I'm
• 15:42
  sure
• 15:42
  they
• 15:43
  help
• 15:43
  some.
• 15:44
  But
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  also
• 15:45
  am
• 15:45
  sure
• 15:45
  that
• 15:48
  my
• 15:49
  Zen
• 15:49
  practice
• 15:49
  and
• 15:50
  my
• 15:50
  meditating
• 15:50
  every
• 15:51
  day
• 15:51
  and
• 15:52
  meeting
• 15:52
  with
• 15:52
  teachers,
• 15:52
  I
• 15:53
  ended
• 15:53
  up
• 15:53
  having
• 15:53
  a
• 15:53
  different
• 15:54
  teacher
• 15:54
  because
• 15:54
  I
• 15:54
  wasn't
• 15:55
  in
• 15:55
  Long
• 15:55
  island
• 15:55
  where
• 15:56
  Peter
• 15:56
  was.
• 15:56
  So
• 15:56
  I
• 15:57
  found
• 15:57
  another
• 15:57
  really
• 15:58
  wonderful
• 15:58
  teacher
• 15:59
  in
• 15:59
  Florida
• 15:59
  where
• 15:59
  I
• 16:00
  was
• 16:00
  who
• 16:00
  had
• 16:00
  been
• 16:00
  he
• 16:01
  had
• 16:01
  lived
• 16:01
  at
• 16:01
  Plum
• 16:02
  Village.
• 16:02
  He
• 16:02
  had
• 16:02
  been
• 16:03
  given
• 16:03
  transmission
• 16:04
  by
• 16:04
  Thich
• 16:04
  Nhat
• 16:04
  Hahn.
• 16:05
  But
• 16:05
  he
• 16:05
  is
• 16:06
  an
• 16:06
  American.
• 16:06
  He's
• 16:06
  like
• 16:07
  from
• 16:07
  Rochester,
• 16:07
  New
• 16:08
  York.
• 16:09
  So,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:10
  know,
• 16:11
  having
• 16:11
  people
• 16:11
  like
• 16:11
  that
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  encourage
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  to
• 16:14
  support
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  and
• 16:15
  tell
• 16:15
  you
• 16:15
  that
• 16:15
  everything's
• 16:16
  going
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  be
• 16:16
  okay
• 16:16
  and
• 16:17
  to,
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  know,
• 16:17
  help
• 16:18
  you
• 16:18
  with
• 16:18
  your
• 16:18
  practice,
• 16:18
  that
• 16:19
  was
• 16:19
  also
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  was
• 16:21
  very,
• 16:21
  very
• 16:21
  important.
• 16:21
  At
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  same
• 16:22
  time,
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  know,
• 16:24
  it.
• 16:24
  Strikes
• 16:24
  me
• 16:25
  that
• 16:26
  particularly
• 16:27
  now
• 16:27
  in
• 16:27
  this
• 16:28
  time
• 16:28
  of
• 16:30
  real
• 16:30
  difficulty
• 16:31
  when
• 16:31
  there
• 16:31
  is
• 16:31
  a
• 16:32
  lot
• 16:32
  of
• 16:32
  trauma
• 16:32
  going
• 16:33
  around
• 16:33
  in
• 16:35
  our
• 16:35
  everyday
• 16:35
  life
• 16:36
  and
• 16:36
  social
• 16:37
  life
• 16:37
  and
• 16:37
  national
• 16:38
  life.
• 16:40
  What
• 16:41
  do
• 16:41
  we
• 16:41
  do?
• 16:42
  And
• 16:43
  I'm
• 16:43
  very
• 16:43
  grateful
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  be
• 16:45
  talking
• 16:45
  with
• 16:45
  you
• 16:46
  and
• 16:47
  doing
• 16:47
  this
• 16:48
  work
• 16:48
  with
• 16:48
  Adam.
• 16:50
  It
• 16:50
  seems
• 16:50
  like
• 16:51
  it's.
• 16:52
  We're
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  ones
• 16:53
  that.
• 16:53
  That
• 16:53
  are
• 16:54
  offering
• 16:54
  assistance
• 16:55
  in
• 16:55
  this.
• 16:56
  In
• 16:56
  this
• 16:57
  way.
• 16:59
  And
• 17:00
  it
• 17:00
  came
• 17:00
  to
• 17:01
  me,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  didn't
• 17:02
  know
• 17:02
  this
• 17:02
  before
• 17:02
  the.
• 17:03
  Before
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  interview,
• 17:05
  but
• 17:05
  when
• 17:05
  you
• 17:05
  were
• 17:05
  talking
• 17:06
  about
• 17:06
  playing
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  piano.
• 17:07
  I've
• 17:07
  been
• 17:07
  a
• 17:08
  piano
• 17:08
  technician
• 17:09
  for
• 17:09
  55
• 17:10
  years
• 17:10
  and.
• 17:10
  And
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  piano.
• 17:11
  God
• 17:12
  has
• 17:12
  taught
• 17:12
  me
• 17:12
  so
• 17:12
  much
• 17:13
  about
• 17:13
  the
• 17:14
  nature
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  universe
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  about
• 17:16
  how
• 17:16
  resonance
• 17:16
  works
• 17:17
  and
• 17:18
  about
• 17:18
  actually
• 17:19
  how
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  go
• 17:19
  into
• 17:19
  a
• 17:20
  flow
• 17:20
  state.
• 17:21
  And
• 17:21
  I
• 17:22
  think
• 17:22
  that
• 17:22
  people
• 17:23
  go
• 17:23
  into
• 17:23
  a
• 17:23
  flow
• 17:23
  state
• 17:24
  part
• 17:25
  of
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  time
• 17:26
  every
• 17:26
  day.
• 17:27
  And
• 17:28
  in
• 17:29
  Chinese
• 17:29
  philosophy,
• 17:30
  and
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  think
• 17:30
  in
• 17:30
  send
• 17:31
  to.
• 17:31
  There's
• 17:32
  this
• 17:32
  idea
• 17:32
  about
• 17:33
  forgetting
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  self.
• 17:34
  Yes.
• 17:35
  And
• 17:36
  talk
• 17:37
  to
• 17:37
  us
• 17:37
  about
• 17:37
  what
• 17:37
  your
• 17:38
  experiences
• 17:39
  are
• 17:39
  about
• 17:40
  forgetting
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  self
• 17:41
  in.
• 17:42
  In
• 17:43
  sen.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:43
  I
• 17:43
  bet
• 17:43
  this
• 17:44
  happens
• 17:44
  when
• 17:45
  you're
• 17:45
  sailing.
• 17:47
  You
• 17:48
  see
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  idea
• 17:49
  of
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  flow
• 17:49
  state.
• 17:49
  Well,
• 17:49
  not
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  idea.
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  mean,
• 17:50
  it's
• 17:50
  a
• 17:50
  certainty.
• 17:51
  It's
• 17:51
  not
• 17:51
  just
• 17:51
  an
• 17:52
  idea.
• 17:52
  It's
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  real
• 17:53
  thing
• 17:54
  is.
• 17:54
  Yes,
• 17:55
  you
• 17:55
  see
• 17:55
  it
• 17:55
  musicians,
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  see
• 17:56
  it
• 17:56
  in
• 17:56
  athletes.
• 17:58
  You
• 17:58
  see
• 17:58
  it
• 17:59
  in
• 17:59
  average
• 17:59
  people
• 17:59
  like
• 18:00
  us
• 18:00
  who
• 18:00
  are
• 18:01
  playing
• 18:01
  music
• 18:01
  or
• 18:03
  playing
• 18:04
  tennis
• 18:04
  or
• 18:04
  whatever.
• 18:05
  And
• 18:06
  yes,
• 18:06
  people
• 18:06
  feel
• 18:07
  it.
• 18:07
  And
• 18:07
  then
• 18:08
  you
• 18:08
  see
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  in
• 18:09
  spiritual
• 18:10
  seekers
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  practitioners.
• 18:11
  When
• 18:11
  you're
• 18:11
  sitting
• 18:12
  on
• 18:12
  your
• 18:12
  cushion,
• 18:12
  there
• 18:13
  are
• 18:13
  many
• 18:13
  different
• 18:13
  ways
• 18:14
  that
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  manifests
• 18:15
  itself.
• 18:15
  And
• 18:17
  it
• 18:18
  just.
• 18:18
  It's
• 18:18
  a.
• 18:19
  When
• 18:19
  it
• 18:19
  happens
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  when
• 18:20
  it
• 18:20
  happens
• 18:21
  in
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  spiritual
• 18:25
  sense.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:26
  when
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  have
• 18:26
  an
• 18:26
  opening
• 18:27
  that.
• 18:27
  Where
• 18:27
  you
• 18:28
  literally.
• 18:28
  The
• 18:28
  self
• 18:29
  drops
• 18:29
  away,
• 18:31
  it's
• 18:31
  an
• 18:32
  amazing
• 18:32
  thing.
• 18:32
  But
• 18:32
  what
• 18:33
  happens
• 18:33
  when
• 18:33
  the
• 18:33
  self
• 18:33
  drops
• 18:34
  away?
• 18:34
  You
• 18:34
  know,
• 18:34
  there's
• 18:34
  also.
• 18:35
  There's
• 18:35
  sort
• 18:35
  of
• 18:35
  this
• 18:35
  misconception.
• 18:36
  There's
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  lot
• 18:36
  of
• 18:37
  emphasis
• 18:37
  on.
• 18:38
  On
• 18:38
  emptiness.
• 18:40
  And
• 18:40
  people
• 18:41
  think
• 18:41
  emptiness
• 18:41
  is
• 18:42
  emptiness.
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  say,
• 18:44
  no,
• 18:44
  it's
• 18:44
  not.
• 18:44
  It's
• 18:44
  fullness.
• 18:45
  It's
• 18:45
  like,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:46
  when
• 18:46
  the
• 18:47
  self
• 18:47
  drops
• 18:47
  away,
• 18:48
  what
• 18:49
  is
• 18:49
  there
• 18:50
  and
• 18:50
  what
• 18:50
  is
• 18:50
  there
• 18:51
  is
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  become
• 18:52
  so
• 18:52
  aware
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  your
• 18:53
  place
• 18:53
  in
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  universe
• 18:54
  and
• 18:54
  your
• 18:54
  connection
• 18:54
  to
• 18:54
  other
• 18:55
  people
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  this
• 18:56
  incredible
• 18:57
  love
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  underlies
• 18:58
  all
• 18:58
  things.
• 18:58
  And,
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  know,
• 18:59
  you
• 18:59
  talk
• 18:59
  about
• 19:00
  resonance,
• 19:00
  you
• 19:00
  know,
• 19:01
  from
• 19:01
  a
• 19:01
  panel,
• 19:01
  same
• 19:01
  thing.
• 19:01
  It's
• 19:02
  like
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  resonance.
• 19:03
  That's
• 19:03
  one
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  my
• 19:04
  favorite
• 19:07
  sort
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  visual
• 19:09
  aids
• 19:09
  is
• 19:09
  Indra's
• 19:10
  jeweled
• 19:10
  Net.
• 19:11
  And.
• 19:12
  And
• 19:12
  it
• 19:12
  were
• 19:12
  all
• 19:13
  these
• 19:13
  nodes
• 19:13
  with
• 19:14
  all
• 19:14
  these
• 19:14
  little
• 19:14
  nodes
• 19:15
  in
• 19:15
  this
• 19:15
  net
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  that
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  vibrations
• 19:17
  are
• 19:17
  traveling
• 19:18
  along
• 19:18
  all
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  lines
• 19:19
  that
• 19:19
  connect
• 19:19
  all
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  us
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  that
• 19:20
  we're
• 19:21
  all
• 19:21
  connected
• 19:21
  in
• 19:22
  vibrations
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  the
• 19:23
  universe.
• 19:23
  And
• 19:24
  I
• 19:25
  love
• 19:25
  that.
• 19:25
  And
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  always
• 19:26
  say
• 19:27
  too,
• 19:27
  like,
• 19:27
  I'm
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  conservative
• 19:28
  guy,
• 19:28
  believe
• 19:28
  it
• 19:29
  or
• 19:29
  not,
• 19:29
  like
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  was
• 19:29
  raised
• 19:29
  in
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  conservative
• 19:30
  household.
• 19:31
  My
• 19:31
  dad
• 19:31
  was
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  businessman,
• 19:32
  my
• 19:32
  mother
• 19:33
  was
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  homemaker.
• 19:34
  You
• 19:35
  know,
• 19:35
  I'm
• 19:35
  not
• 19:36
  like,
• 19:37
  you
• 19:37
  know,
• 19:38
  Age
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  Aquarius,
• 19:39
  like,
• 19:39
  woo
• 19:39
  Woo
• 19:40
  person,
• 19:40
  but
• 19:41
  which
• 19:41
  is
• 19:42
  what
• 19:42
  makes
• 19:42
  it
• 19:42
  all
• 19:42
  the
• 19:43
  more.
• 19:43
  You
• 19:43
  know,
• 19:43
  I'm
• 19:43
  very
• 19:43
  skeptical.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  the
• 19:45
  fact
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  I've
• 19:46
  learned
• 19:46
  these
• 19:47
  things
• 19:47
  and
• 19:47
  seen
• 19:47
  these
• 19:48
  things
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  experienced
• 19:48
  these
• 19:49
  things,
• 19:49
  to
• 19:49
  me
• 19:49
  is.
• 19:50
  Is
• 19:50
  really
• 19:52
  more
• 19:54
  testament.
• 19:55
  It's
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  testament
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  fact
• 19:56
  that
• 19:56
  it's
• 19:57
  real.
• 19:57
  That
• 19:57
  it's
• 19:57
  very
• 19:57
  real.
• 19:58
  Yeah,
• 19:58
  absolutely.
• 20:00
  Yeah.
• 20:00
  I
• 20:01
  remember
• 20:02
  I
• 20:02
  was
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  Japan
• 20:03
  and
• 20:03
  with
• 20:04
  one
• 20:04
  of
• 20:04
  these
• 20:04
  little
• 20:05
  handheld
• 20:06
  translators,
• 20:07
  and
• 20:08
  I'd
• 20:08
  just
• 20:08
  been
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  Kyoto,
• 20:09
  to
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  wonderful
• 20:10
  temples
• 20:10
  there,
• 20:10
  and
• 20:11
  it
• 20:11
  was
• 20:11
  so
• 20:12
  amazing.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  then
• 20:13
  I
• 20:13
  went.
• 20:13
  I
• 20:13
  saw
• 20:14
  on
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  Google
• 20:14
  map,
• 20:15
  you
• 20:15
  know,
• 20:15
  central
• 20:16
  Zen
• 20:17
  temple
• 20:17
  of
• 20:18
  Nara,
• 20:19
  which
• 20:19
  was
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  large
• 20:20
  city,
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  it
• 20:21
  happened
• 20:22
  to
• 20:22
  be
• 20:22
  like
• 20:22
  a
• 20:22
  little
• 20:22
  neighborhood
• 20:23
  church.
• 20:24
  And
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  went
• 20:25
  up
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  the.
• 20:27
  The.
• 20:27
  The
• 20:27
  Zen
• 20:28
  center
• 20:28
  and
• 20:29
  met
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  monk.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:30
  I
• 20:31
  didn't
• 20:31
  speak
• 20:31
  any
• 20:31
  Japanese
• 20:32
  and
• 20:32
  he
• 20:32
  didn't
• 20:32
  speak
• 20:33
  any
• 20:33
  English,
• 20:34
  but
• 20:34
  I
• 20:34
  began
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  say,
• 20:36
  to
• 20:36
  study
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  Buddha
• 20:37
  way
• 20:37
  is
• 20:37
  to
• 20:38
  study
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  cell.
• 20:38
  To
• 20:38
  study
• 20:39
  the
• 20:39
  self
• 20:39
  is
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  forget
• 20:39
  the
• 20:40
  self.
• 20:40
  He
• 20:40
  went,
• 20:40
  ah,
• 20:42
  which
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  the
• 20:43
  Japanese
• 20:43
  name
• 20:43
  for
• 20:44
  Togen.
• 20:44
  Yes.
• 20:45
  So.
• 20:45
  And
• 20:46
  there
• 20:46
  was
• 20:47
  such
• 20:47
  warmth
• 20:47
  there.
• 20:48
  It.
• 20:48
  I'll
• 20:49
  never
• 20:49
  forget
• 20:49
  it.
• 20:50
  It
• 20:50
  was
• 20:50
  the,
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  kindness
• 20:52
  and
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  compassion
• 20:53
  and
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  care
• 20:53
  that
• 20:54
  I'd
• 20:54
  actually
• 20:54
  taken
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  time
• 20:55
  to
• 20:56
  learn
• 20:56
  about
• 20:57
  Dogen.
• 20:58
  It
• 20:58
  was
• 20:58
  so,
• 20:59
  so
• 21:00
  wonderful.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:00
  I.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  can
• 21:01
  imagine
• 21:01
  that
• 21:02
  you've
• 21:02
  had
• 21:03
  similar
• 21:03
  experiences,
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  know.
• 21:06
  Yeah,
• 21:07
  I
• 21:07
  think.
• 21:07
  I
• 21:08
  mean,
• 21:08
  in
• 21:08
  a
• 21:08
  number
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  ways.
• 21:09
  First
• 21:09
  of
• 21:09
  all,
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  love
• 21:10
  Japanese
• 21:11
  monasteries
• 21:11
  like
• 21:12
  that.
• 21:12
  I
• 21:12
  mean,
• 21:12
  I
• 21:12
  love
• 21:13
  giant
• 21:13
  cathedrals
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  Europe
• 21:14
  too.
• 21:14
  I
• 21:15
  mean,
• 21:15
  I,
• 21:15
  you
• 21:15
  know,
• 21:15
  when
• 21:15
  I
• 21:15
  travel,
• 21:16
  I.
• 21:16
  But.
• 21:16
  But
• 21:16
  at
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  same
• 21:17
  time,
• 21:18
  even
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  big
• 21:18
  Japanese
• 21:19
  monasteries,
• 21:20
  they
• 21:20
  feel
• 21:20
  like
• 21:20
  little
• 21:20
  villages.
• 21:21
  Yeah.
• 21:22
  You
• 21:22
  know,
• 21:23
  there's
• 21:23
  a
• 21:23
  lot
• 21:23
  of
• 21:23
  buildings
• 21:24
  and
• 21:24
  there's
• 21:24
  monks
• 21:24
  wandering
• 21:25
  around
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  there's,
• 21:26
  you
• 21:26
  know,
• 21:26
  people
• 21:27
  tourists
• 21:27
  wandering
• 21:28
  around.
• 21:28
  And.
• 21:28
  And
• 21:29
  even
• 21:29
  if
• 21:29
  it
• 21:30
  has
• 21:30
  a
• 21:30
  big
• 21:30
  hall,
• 21:30
  like
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  main
• 21:31
  hall,
• 21:31
  there's
• 21:32
  all
• 21:32
  these
• 21:32
  little
• 21:32
  other
• 21:33
  buildings.
• 21:33
  And.
• 21:33
  And
• 21:34
  I
• 21:34
  just.
• 21:34
  It's.
• 21:35
  It's
• 21:35
  very
• 21:35
  cool.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:36
  the
• 21:36
  other
• 21:36
  part
• 21:37
  that
• 21:37
  I,
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  love
• 21:38
  is
• 21:38
  that
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  will
• 21:39
  find
• 21:39
  that
• 21:39
  most
• 21:40
  advanced
• 21:41
  spiritual
• 21:41
  teachers,
• 21:42
  practitioners,
• 21:44
  I
• 21:44
  think,
• 21:45
  are
• 21:45
  like
• 21:45
  that
• 21:45
  monk
• 21:46
  that
• 21:47
  they're
• 21:47
  just
• 21:47
  really
• 21:48
  have
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  little
• 21:48
  twinkle
• 21:49
  in
• 21:49
  their
• 21:49
  eye
• 21:49
  and
• 21:49
  a
• 21:50
  smile
• 21:50
  on
• 21:50
  their
• 21:50
  face.
• 21:50
  I
• 21:50
  mean,
• 21:50
  the
• 21:51
  Dalai
• 21:51
  Lama
• 21:51
  has
• 21:51
  it,
• 21:52
  my
• 21:52
  teachers
• 21:52
  had
• 21:52
  it.
• 21:53
  Hopefully
• 21:53
  I
• 21:54
  have
• 21:54
  it.
• 21:55
  And
• 21:56
  it.
• 21:56
  Because
• 21:57
  you.
• 21:57
  You
• 21:58
  get
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  this
• 21:58
  place
• 21:59
  where
• 21:59
  you
• 21:59
  just
• 21:59
  realize
• 22:00
  just,
• 22:00
  yeah,
• 22:00
  everything
• 22:01
  is
• 22:01
  pretty
• 22:01
  wonderful
• 22:01
  and
• 22:02
  pretty
• 22:02
  cool
• 22:02
  and
• 22:02
  everything
• 22:03
  is.
• 22:03
  Is
• 22:03
  like,
• 22:04
  you
• 22:04
  know,
• 22:05
  and
• 22:05
  again,
• 22:05
  you
• 22:05
  smile.
• 22:06
  There's
• 22:06
  a
• 22:06
  saying
• 22:06
  that,
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  know,
• 22:07
  you're.
• 22:07
  The
• 22:07
  first
• 22:08
  time
• 22:08
  you
• 22:08
  experience
• 22:08
  that
• 22:09
  as
• 22:09
  A
• 22:09
  when
• 22:09
  you're
• 22:10
  sitting
• 22:10
  on
• 22:10
  your
• 22:10
  cushion
• 22:10
  is
• 22:11
  your
• 22:11
  soul
• 22:11
  smiles.
• 22:12
  And
• 22:12
  the
• 22:13
  first
• 22:13
  time
• 22:13
  your
• 22:13
  soul
• 22:13
  smiles,
• 22:14
  you're
• 22:14
  like,
• 22:15
  whoa,
• 22:16
  what
• 22:16
  was
• 22:17
  that?
• 22:19
  So
• 22:20
  I
• 22:20
  love
• 22:20
  it.
• 22:20
  The
• 22:21
  words
• 22:21
  in
• 22:21
  Chinese
• 22:22
  for
• 22:22
  resonance
• 22:23
  are
• 22:23
  ganying.
• 22:24
  And
• 22:24
  I've
• 22:25
  translated
• 22:26
  them
• 22:26
  to
• 22:26
  say
• 22:27
  to.
• 22:28
  To
• 22:30
  be
• 22:30
  so
• 22:31
  sincere
• 22:31
  that
• 22:31
  it
• 22:32
  almost
• 22:32
  wounds
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  heart
• 22:33
  so
• 22:33
  that
• 22:33
  we
• 22:34
  can
• 22:34
  fly
• 22:34
  from
• 22:34
  a
• 22:34
  cliff
• 22:35
  together
• 22:36
  like
• 22:36
  a
• 22:36
  flock
• 22:36
  of
• 22:36
  birds.
• 22:38
  And
• 22:38
  that's,
• 22:39
  that's
• 22:40
  that
• 22:40
  experience.
• 22:41
  So.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:42
  Adam,
• 22:43
  your
• 22:44
  experience
• 22:45
  with.
• 22:46
  There's
• 22:46
  so
• 22:47
  much.
• 22:47
  There's
• 22:47
  so
• 22:47
  much.
• 22:47
  There
• 22:48
  are
• 22:48
  two
• 22:48
  things
• 22:48
  that
• 22:48
  are
• 22:48
  coming
• 22:48
  to
• 22:49
  mind
• 22:49
  right
• 22:49
  now
• 22:49
  is
• 22:50
  one,
• 22:50
  when
• 22:51
  in
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  Confucian
• 22:52
  tradition,
• 22:52
  which
• 22:52
  deeply
• 22:52
  influenced
• 22:53
  Zen
• 22:54
  Buddhism,
• 22:55
  I,
• 22:55
  I
• 22:56
  just
• 22:57
  wrote
• 22:57
  an
• 22:57
  article,
• 22:57
  I
• 22:58
  submitted
• 22:58
  an
• 22:58
  article
• 22:58
  talking
• 22:59
  about
• 22:59
  how
• 23:00
  the
• 23:01
  Analects
• 23:01
  almost
• 23:01
  read
• 23:02
  like
• 23:02
  koans.
• 23:02
  This,
• 23:03
  Confucius
• 23:04
  and
• 23:04
  this,
• 23:04
  this
• 23:04
  student
• 23:05
  teacher
• 23:05
  relationship.
• 23:07
  In
• 23:07
  that
• 23:07
  tradition,
• 23:08
  when
• 23:09
  we
• 23:09
  investigate
• 23:10
  things,
• 23:11
  we
• 23:11
  extend
• 23:11
  our
• 23:12
  knowledge
• 23:12
  into
• 23:12
  all
• 23:12
  things.
• 23:13
  When
• 23:13
  we
• 23:13
  extend
• 23:13
  our
• 23:13
  knowledge
• 23:14
  into
• 23:14
  all
• 23:14
  things,
• 23:14
  we
• 23:15
  realize
• 23:15
  the
• 23:15
  oneness
• 23:16
  that
• 23:16
  we
• 23:16
  have.
• 23:17
  So
• 23:17
  then
• 23:17
  we
• 23:17
  could
• 23:17
  have.
• 23:17
  We
• 23:18
  can
• 23:18
  make
• 23:18
  our
• 23:18
  thoughts
• 23:18
  sincere.
• 23:19
  And
• 23:19
  that
• 23:19
  when
• 23:20
  you,
• 23:20
  when
• 23:20
  you
• 23:20
  were
• 23:20
  speaking
• 23:21
  it
• 23:22
  about
• 23:22
  the
• 23:23
  different
• 23:24
  sense
• 23:25
  that
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  get
• 23:25
  from
• 23:25
  a
• 23:26
  high
• 23:26
  level
• 23:26
  spiritual
• 23:27
  practitioner
• 23:27
  is
• 23:28
  that
• 23:28
  they
• 23:28
  realize
• 23:29
  we
• 23:29
  are
• 23:29
  all
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  same.
• 23:31
  Right?
• 23:31
  We
• 23:31
  all
• 23:32
  have
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  same
• 23:34
  oneness
• 23:34
  underneath
• 23:35
  us.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:36
  so
• 23:36
  how
• 23:36
  in
• 23:37
  a
• 23:38
  sense
• 23:38
  of
• 23:38
  reverence
• 23:39
  comes
• 23:39
  through.
• 23:39
  It's
• 23:40
  like,
• 23:40
  how
• 23:40
  could
• 23:40
  you
• 23:41
  not
• 23:41
  just
• 23:41
  revere
• 23:42
  everything
• 23:42
  so
• 23:42
  deeply
• 23:43
  when.
• 23:43
  When
• 23:43
  you
• 23:43
  know
• 23:43
  the
• 23:44
  source
• 23:44
  that
• 23:44
  they
• 23:44
  have
• 23:45
  within
• 23:45
  them?
• 23:46
  That
• 23:46
  was
• 23:46
  one
• 23:47
  thing
• 23:47
  that
• 23:47
  came
• 23:47
  to
• 23:47
  mind.
• 23:47
  Another
• 23:48
  thing
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  was
• 23:48
  clear
• 23:49
  as
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  were
• 23:49
  speaking
• 23:49
  as
• 23:50
  well
• 23:50
  was
• 23:51
  when.
• 23:52
  This
• 23:52
  is
• 23:52
  previously
• 23:53
  when
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  students
• 23:54
  would.
• 23:55
  We
• 23:55
  have
• 23:55
  a
• 23:55
  lineage
• 23:56
  now
• 23:56
  in
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  west
• 23:56
  where
• 23:56
  we
• 23:57
  could
• 23:57
  think
• 23:57
  like
• 23:57
  people
• 23:57
  like
• 23:57
  Carl
• 23:58
  Jung,
• 23:59
  who
• 23:59
  opened
• 23:59
  up
• 24:00
  Eastern
• 24:00
  philosophy
• 24:01
  for
• 24:01
  us.
• 24:01
  So
• 24:01
  now
• 24:02
  everyone
• 24:02
  knows
• 24:02
  Zen.
• 24:03
  So,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:04
  know,
• 24:04
  knows
• 24:05
  Zen,
• 24:05
  they
• 24:05
  say,
• 24:05
  oh,
• 24:05
  that's
• 24:06
  so
• 24:06
  Zen
• 24:06
  is
• 24:06
  the,
• 24:06
  the
• 24:07
  thing
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  young
• 24:07
  people
• 24:08
  say
• 24:08
  now.
• 24:08
  Right.
• 24:09
  So
• 24:10
  my
• 24:10
  third
• 24:10
  year
• 24:11
  or
• 24:11
  second
• 24:11
  year
• 24:11
  of
• 24:11
  teaching,
• 24:12
  I
• 24:12
  decided,
• 24:12
  okay,
• 24:13
  these
• 24:13
  students
• 24:14
  all
• 24:14
  have
• 24:14
  beginner
• 24:14
  mind.
• 24:15
  So
• 24:15
  I'm
• 24:15
  gonna
• 24:16
  ask
• 24:16
  them
• 24:17
  what
• 24:17
  is
• 24:17
  Zen?
• 24:19
  And
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  answers
• 24:19
  were
• 24:20
  unbelievable.
• 24:20
  It
• 24:21
  was
• 24:21
  beautiful.
• 24:21
  I
• 24:21
  mean,
• 24:22
  they
• 24:22
  all
• 24:22
  had
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  sense
• 24:23
  of
• 24:23
  what
• 24:23
  Zen
• 24:23
  was
• 24:24
  from
• 24:24
  their
• 24:24
  beginner
• 24:24
  mind.
• 24:24
  And
• 24:25
  it
• 24:25
  was
• 24:25
  all
• 24:25
  so
• 24:25
  similar
• 24:26
  to
• 24:26
  flow
• 24:26
  state
• 24:27
  when
• 24:27
  I'm
• 24:27
  out
• 24:27
  walking,
• 24:28
  when
• 24:28
  I'm
• 24:28
  playing
• 24:29
  music,
• 24:30
  this
• 24:30
  kind
• 24:30
  of
• 24:30
  thing.
• 24:31
  So
• 24:31
  I
• 24:31
  just
• 24:32
  wanted
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  make
• 24:32
  that
• 24:32
  connection.
• 24:33
  And
• 24:34
  yeah,
• 24:35
  I
• 24:35
  don't
• 24:35
  really
• 24:35
  necessarily
• 24:36
  have
• 24:36
  any
• 24:37
  more
• 24:37
  questions,
• 24:37
  although
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  do.
• 24:38
  Okay.
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  will
• 24:40
  be
• 24:40
  a
• 24:40
  kind
• 24:40
  of
• 24:40
  a
• 24:41
  stickler
• 24:41
  here
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  tradition,
• 24:43
  actually
• 24:43
  Confucian
• 24:44
  philosophy,
• 24:44
  there's
• 24:45
  no
• 24:45
  evil,
• 24:46
  there's
• 24:46
  only.
• 24:47
  From
• 24:47
  Mencius,
• 24:47
  there's
• 24:47
  no
• 24:48
  evil,
• 24:48
  there's
• 24:48
  only.
• 24:49
  There's
• 24:49
  only
• 24:49
  going
• 24:50
  your
• 24:50
  wrong
• 24:50
  way.
• 24:50
  So
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  have
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  proper
• 24:51
  way
• 24:52
  or
• 24:52
  deviation.
• 24:53
  Also
• 24:53
  in.
• 24:54
  In
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  yin
• 24:55
  and
• 24:55
  Yang
• 24:55
  theory,
• 24:56
  yin
• 24:56
  is.
• 24:57
  Is
• 24:57
  good.
• 24:58
  There's
• 24:58
  no
• 24:58
  good
• 24:58
  and
• 24:59
  evil.
• 24:59
  It's.
• 24:59
  It's
• 24:59
  that
• 25:00
  there's.
• 25:00
  There's
• 25:00
  light
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  dark
• 25:01
  only.
• 25:01
  So
• 25:02
  yin
• 25:02
  is
• 25:02
  just
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  dark
• 25:03
  side
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  mountain.
• 25:04
  So
• 25:04
  I
• 25:04
  want
• 25:05
  to.
• 25:05
  I
• 25:05
  want
• 25:05
  to
• 25:05
  go
• 25:05
  back
• 25:05
  to
• 25:06
  what
• 25:06
  you
• 25:06
  were
• 25:06
  talking
• 25:06
  about
• 25:06
  in
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  very
• 25:06
  beginning
• 25:07
  when
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  were
• 25:09
  talking
• 25:09
  about
• 25:09
  these
• 25:09
  are
• 25:10
  darkness
• 25:10
  in
• 25:10
  people.
• 25:11
  And
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  think
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  can.
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  can
• 25:12
  kind
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  sense
• 25:13
  that,
• 25:13
  like,
• 25:13
  you
• 25:13
  can
• 25:13
  see
• 25:13
  people
• 25:14
  kind
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  grappling
• 25:15
  with
• 25:15
  things,
• 25:15
  is
• 25:16
  what
• 25:16
  I'm
• 25:16
  thinking,
• 25:16
  or
• 25:17
  maybe
• 25:17
  their
• 25:17
  anger
• 25:17
  or
• 25:18
  their
• 25:18
  fears
• 25:18
  and
• 25:19
  anxieties.
• 25:20
  But.
• 25:21
  Yeah,
• 25:21
  how
• 25:21
  do
• 25:22
  you.
• 25:22
  How
• 25:22
  do
• 25:22
  you
• 25:23
  synthesize
• 25:24
  the
• 25:24
  sense
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  the
• 25:25
  good
• 25:25
  and
• 25:25
  evil
• 25:26
  type
• 25:26
  of
• 25:26
  feeling
• 25:26
  that
• 25:26
  you
• 25:27
  had
• 25:27
  and
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  sense
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  the
• 25:28
  darkness
• 25:28
  in
• 25:28
  people?
• 25:29
  With
• 25:29
  this
• 25:29
  idea
• 25:30
  in
• 25:30
  Chinese
• 25:30
  philosophy
• 25:31
  that
• 25:31
  there's
• 25:31
  just
• 25:31
  deviation,
• 25:33
  even
• 25:33
  trump
• 25:33
  or
• 25:34
  whoever,
• 25:34
  just.
• 25:34
  They
• 25:34
  went
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  wrong
• 25:35
  way.
• 25:35
  They
• 25:35
  didn't
• 25:36
  follow
• 25:36
  their
• 25:36
  own
• 25:36
  way.
• 25:38
  So
• 25:38
  in.
• 25:39
  In
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  Zen
• 25:40
  tradition
• 25:41
  that
• 25:41
  Peter
• 25:41
  taught,
• 25:43
  there's
• 25:43
  a
• 25:44
  very
• 25:44
  famous
• 25:46
  chant.
• 25:47
  It's
• 25:47
  a
• 25:48
  poem,
• 25:48
  some
• 25:48
  people
• 25:48
  call
• 25:49
  it
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  poem
• 25:50
  that
• 25:50
  gets
• 25:50
  chanted
• 25:51
  at
• 25:52
  a
• 25:52
  lot
• 25:52
  of
• 25:52
  Zen
• 25:52
  centers
• 25:53
  every.
• 25:54
  You
• 25:54
  know,
• 25:54
  every
• 25:54
  day.
• 25:54
  And
• 25:55
  it's
• 25:55
  called
• 25:55
  the
• 25:55
  Sandakai.
• 25:56
  And
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  Sandakai
• 25:57
  translates
• 25:58
  as
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  identity
• 25:58
  of
• 25:59
  relative
• 25:59
  and
• 25:59
  absolute.
• 26:01
  And
• 26:02
  so
• 26:03
  what
• 26:03
  it
• 26:04
  means
• 26:04
  is
• 26:04
  that
• 26:05
  there's
• 26:05
  really
• 26:06
  two
• 26:06
  parts
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  life.
• 26:08
  There's
• 26:08
  the
• 26:09
  relative,
• 26:09
  which
• 26:09
  is
• 26:10
  what
• 26:10
  we're
• 26:10
  living
• 26:10
  in
• 26:10
  every
• 26:10
  day,
• 26:11
  which
• 26:11
  is,
• 26:11
  you
• 26:12
  know,
• 26:13
  how
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  relate
• 26:14
  to
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  world
• 26:14
  and
• 26:14
  how
• 26:14
  the
• 26:15
  world
• 26:15
  relates
• 26:15
  to
• 26:15
  us,
• 26:15
  how
• 26:15
  we
• 26:16
  relate
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  other
• 26:16
  people.
• 26:16
  And
• 26:17
  it's,
• 26:17
  you
• 26:17
  know,
• 26:17
  anger
• 26:18
  and
• 26:18
  sadness
• 26:18
  and
• 26:19
  even
• 26:19
  evil,
• 26:20
  if
• 26:21
  you
• 26:21
  want
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  call
• 26:21
  it
• 26:21
  evil,
• 26:22
  I'd
• 26:22
  prefer
• 26:22
  to
• 26:22
  just
• 26:22
  call
• 26:23
  it
• 26:23
  darkness.
• 26:23
  But.
• 26:25
  And
• 26:25
  then
• 26:25
  there's
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  Absolute.
• 26:28
  And
• 26:28
  the
• 26:28
  absolute
• 26:29
  is
• 26:29
  what
• 26:30
  many
• 26:30
  of
• 26:31
  us
• 26:31
  strive
• 26:31
  to.
• 26:32
  To
• 26:34
  be
• 26:34
  exposed
• 26:35
  to,
• 26:35
  to.
• 26:36
  To
• 26:36
  understand.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  Absolute
• 26:39
  is.
• 26:40
  Is
• 26:40
  beyond
• 26:40
  our
• 26:40
  understanding,
• 26:41
  but
• 26:41
  just
• 26:41
  to
• 26:42
  experience
• 26:42
  it
• 26:43
  is.
• 26:43
  Is
• 26:43
  amazing.
• 26:44
  And
• 26:44
  when
• 26:44
  you
• 26:45
  experience
• 26:45
  it,
• 26:45
  it's
• 26:45
  just
• 26:46
  this
• 26:46
  pure
• 26:46
  energy
• 26:47
  of
• 26:47
  love.
• 26:48
  And.
• 26:48
  And
• 26:49
  there
• 26:49
  is
• 26:49
  no
• 26:49
  evil.
• 26:49
  There
• 26:50
  is
• 26:50
  no
• 26:50
  dirt.
• 26:50
  It's
• 26:50
  just
• 26:51
  like
• 26:51
  this.
• 26:51
  Everything
• 26:51
  is
• 26:52
  perfect.
• 26:52
  Everything
• 26:52
  is
• 26:53
  correct.
• 26:53
  Everything
• 26:53
  is.
• 26:54
  Is
• 26:54
  right
• 26:55
  exactly
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  way
• 26:55
  it
• 26:56
  is.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:57
  in
• 26:58
  the
• 26:58
  sandecai,
• 26:59
  there
• 27:00
  are
• 27:00
  a
• 27:00
  couple
• 27:00
  lines.
• 27:00
  One
• 27:01
  line
• 27:01
  is
• 27:01
  that
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  relative
• 27:02
  and
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  absolute
• 27:03
  meet
• 27:03
  like
• 27:03
  two
• 27:03
  arrow
• 27:04
  points
• 27:04
  high
• 27:04
  in
• 27:04
  the
• 27:05
  air.
• 27:05
  Or
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  relative
• 27:06
  and
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  Absolute
• 27:07
  fit
• 27:07
  together
• 27:07
  like
• 27:07
  a
• 27:08
  box
• 27:08
  in
• 27:08
  its
• 27:08
  lid.
• 27:09
  And
• 27:10
  so
• 27:10
  that
• 27:10
  is
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  ultimate
• 27:11
  goal,
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  synthesize
• 27:12
  these
• 27:13
  two
• 27:14
  into
• 27:15
  your
• 27:15
  understanding,
• 27:16
  into
• 27:16
  your
• 27:16
  life.
• 27:16
  That,
• 27:17
  yes,
• 27:18
  there
• 27:19
  is
• 27:20
  messiness
• 27:21
  and
• 27:22
  evil
• 27:22
  and
• 27:23
  darkness,
• 27:24
  and
• 27:24
  there's
• 27:25
  also
• 27:25
  light.
• 27:25
  And
• 27:26
  that's
• 27:26
  sort
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  relative.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:27
  how
• 27:27
  does
• 27:27
  that
• 27:28
  synthesize
• 27:28
  with
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  fact
• 27:29
  that
• 27:29
  there
• 27:30
  is
• 27:30
  no
• 27:30
  Evil.
• 27:30
  There
• 27:31
  is
• 27:31
  no
• 27:31
  darkness.
• 27:31
  That
• 27:32
  everything
• 27:32
  is
• 27:33
  perfect
• 27:33
  and
• 27:33
  complete
• 27:34
  just
• 27:34
  as
• 27:34
  it
• 27:34
  is.
• 27:36
  It's
• 27:37
  really
• 27:37
  hard
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  do.
• 27:37
  It's
• 27:38
  hard
• 27:38
  to
• 27:38
  explain.
• 27:39
  It's,
• 27:39
  it's.
• 27:40
  You
• 27:40
  got
• 27:40
  to
• 27:40
  experience
• 27:40
  it
• 27:41
  and
• 27:41
  do
• 27:41
  it,
• 27:41
  do
• 27:41
  the
• 27:42
  work.
• 27:42
  And
• 27:42
  it's
• 27:42
  not
• 27:43
  something
• 27:43
  most
• 27:43
  people,
• 27:45
  you
• 27:45
  know,
• 27:45
  will
• 27:46
  ever
• 27:46
  experience.
• 27:47
  To
• 27:47
  most
• 27:47
  people
• 27:47
  it
• 27:48
  will
• 27:48
  be
• 27:48
  a
• 27:48
  theory,
• 27:49
  but
• 27:50
  if
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  some
• 27:51
  people
• 27:51
  who
• 27:51
  have
• 27:51
  experienced
• 27:52
  it,
• 27:52
  it's
• 27:52
  a
• 27:52
  reality,
• 27:53
  I.
• 27:53
  Think
• 27:53
  it
• 27:53
  could
• 27:53
  be
• 27:54
  available
• 27:54
  in
• 27:54
  a
• 27:54
  flow
• 27:55
  state.
• 27:55
  Would
• 27:55
  you
• 27:55
  say?
• 27:56
  Yeah,
• 27:56
  I
• 27:57
  would
• 27:57
  say
• 27:57
  if
• 27:57
  you
• 27:58
  know.
• 27:59
  But
• 27:59
  it's
• 27:59
  even
• 27:59
  more
• 27:59
  than
• 28:00
  a
• 28:00
  flow
• 28:00
  state.
• 28:00
  It
• 28:00
  takes
• 28:01
  flow
• 28:01
  state
• 28:01
  like
• 28:01
  one
• 28:01
  step
• 28:02
  further.
• 28:02
  It
• 28:02
  just.
• 28:03
  And,
• 28:03
  and
• 28:03
  it's.
• 28:04
  I,
• 28:05
  I
• 28:05
  wrote
• 28:05
  about
• 28:06
  it
• 28:06
  in
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  last
• 28:06
  chapter
• 28:07
  of
• 28:07
  my
• 28:07
  book
• 28:07
  because
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  book
• 28:08
  is
• 28:08
  set
• 28:08
  up.
• 28:08
  It's
• 28:09
  sort
• 28:09
  of
• 28:09
  like
• 28:09
  a
• 28:09
  two
• 28:09
  act
• 28:10
  play
• 28:10
  where
• 28:11
  it's
• 28:11
  like
• 28:11
  dramaturgy.
• 28:12
  Like
• 28:12
  it
• 28:12
  kind
• 28:12
  of
• 28:13
  builds
• 28:13
  to
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  action,
• 28:14
  builds
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  this
• 28:15
  amazing
• 28:16
  moment.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:17
  the,
• 28:18
  in
• 28:18
  the
• 28:18
  first,
• 28:18
  the
• 28:19
  end
• 28:19
  of
• 28:19
  the
• 28:19
  first
• 28:19
  half
• 28:19
  of
• 28:19
  the
• 28:20
  book,
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  that's
• 28:20
  that
• 28:21
  moment
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  talked
• 28:21
  about
• 28:22
  was
• 28:22
  seeing
• 28:22
  the
• 28:22
  energy.
• 28:23
  And
• 28:23
  then
• 28:23
  it
• 28:23
  kind
• 28:24
  of
• 28:24
  goes
• 28:24
  down
• 28:24
  again.
• 28:24
  Then
• 28:24
  the
• 28:25
  action
• 28:25
  builds
• 28:25
  again
• 28:25
  to
• 28:26
  this
• 28:26
  last
• 28:27
  moment
• 28:27
  on
• 28:27
  Ocean
• 28:28
  beach
• 28:28
  where
• 28:29
  I
• 28:29
  was
• 28:29
  able
• 28:30
  to
• 28:30
  really
• 28:30
  see
• 28:31
  and
• 28:31
  understand
• 28:31
  this
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  experience
• 28:32
  it.
• 28:32
  And
• 28:32
  it's,
• 28:33
  it's,
• 28:33
  it's
• 28:33
  pretty
• 28:34
  amazing.
• 28:35
  I
• 28:35
  will
• 28:36
  say
• 28:36
  too,
• 28:36
  I
• 28:36
  want
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  say
• 28:36
  one
• 28:37
  more
• 28:37
  thing,
• 28:37
  since
• 28:38
  you
• 28:38
  guys
• 28:38
  are
• 28:38
  both
• 28:39
  very
• 28:39
  well
• 28:39
  versed
• 28:40
  in
• 28:40
  this,
• 28:40
  which
• 28:40
  I
• 28:40
  love,
• 28:41
  because
• 28:41
  not
• 28:41
  everybody
• 28:41
  interviews
• 28:42
  me,
• 28:42
  you
• 28:43
  know,
• 28:43
  knows
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  lot
• 28:43
  of
• 28:44
  these
• 28:44
  things.
• 28:46
  There's
• 28:46
  another
• 28:46
  moment
• 28:47
  in
• 28:47
  the
• 28:47
  book,
• 28:48
  and
• 28:49
  this,
• 28:49
  this
• 28:49
  could
• 28:50
  be
• 28:50
  controversial
• 28:51
  with
• 28:51
  some
• 28:51
  Zen
• 28:52
  teachers,
• 28:52
  I
• 28:53
  will
• 28:53
  readily
• 28:53
  admit
• 28:53
  that.
• 28:55
  But
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  four
• 28:57
  Noble
• 28:58
  Truths,
• 28:58
  the
• 28:58
  truth
• 28:58
  of
• 28:58
  suffering,
• 29:01
  it
• 29:01
  in
• 29:02
  my
• 29:02
  mind
• 29:03
  is.
• 29:03
  Well,
• 29:04
  it's,
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:05
  not,
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:06
  not
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  it's
• 29:06
  taught
• 29:08
  wrong,
• 29:10
  but
• 29:10
  it's
• 29:10
  just
• 29:10
  not
• 29:11
  taught
• 29:11
  as
• 29:11
  far
• 29:11
  as
• 29:11
  it
• 29:12
  could
• 29:12
  go.
• 29:13
  So,
• 29:14
  and
• 29:14
  it's
• 29:14
  again,
• 29:14
  this
• 29:15
  idea
• 29:15
  of
• 29:15
  relative
• 29:15
  and
• 29:16
  absolute.
• 29:16
  Most
• 29:16
  teachers
• 29:17
  teach
• 29:17
  about
• 29:17
  suffering
• 29:18
  like
• 29:18
  relative
• 29:19
  suffering.
• 29:19
  You
• 29:19
  know,
• 29:20
  the
• 29:20
  suffering
• 29:20
  we
• 29:20
  experience
• 29:20
  in
• 29:21
  our
• 29:21
  everyday
• 29:21
  lives.
• 29:22
  You
• 29:22
  know,
• 29:22
  the
• 29:23
  loss
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  loved
• 29:23
  one,
• 29:24
  the
• 29:24
  loss
• 29:24
  of
• 29:24
  a
• 29:24
  job,
• 29:25
  you
• 29:25
  know,
• 29:25
  money
• 29:25
  problems,
• 29:27
  brain
• 29:27
  injury,
• 29:27
  you
• 29:28
  know,
• 29:28
  whatever,
• 29:29
  divorce.
• 29:30
  And,
• 29:31
  and
• 29:31
  that's
• 29:31
  certainly
• 29:31
  true
• 29:32
  as
• 29:32
  far
• 29:32
  as
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  goes.
• 29:32
  And
• 29:33
  there
• 29:33
  is
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  way
• 29:33
  out
• 29:33
  of
• 29:33
  that.
• 29:34
  And
• 29:34
  the
• 29:34
  way
• 29:34
  out
• 29:34
  of
• 29:34
  that
• 29:34
  is
• 29:35
  to
• 29:35
  sit
• 29:35
  and
• 29:35
  meditate
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  to
• 29:36
  become
• 29:36
  more
• 29:38
  mindful
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  happy
• 29:38
  and
• 29:39
  have
• 29:39
  your
• 29:39
  soul
• 29:39
  smile.
• 29:40
  But
• 29:41
  the
• 29:41
  Buddha
• 29:41
  was
• 29:41
  talking
• 29:41
  about
• 29:42
  something
• 29:42
  even
• 29:43
  more
• 29:43
  profound.
• 29:44
  The
• 29:45
  Buddha
• 29:45
  was
• 29:45
  talking
• 29:45
  about
• 29:45
  suffering
• 29:46
  in
• 29:46
  an
• 29:47
  absolute
• 29:47
  sense
• 29:49
  and
• 29:50
  suffering
• 29:50
  in
• 29:50
  an
• 29:50
  absolute
• 29:51
  sense.
• 29:51
  And
• 29:51
  I've
• 29:52
  only
• 29:52
  seen
• 29:52
  it
• 29:52
  a
• 29:52
  couple
• 29:53
  times,
• 29:53
  but
• 29:53
  when
• 29:53
  you
• 29:54
  see
• 29:54
  it
• 29:54
  and
• 29:55
  again
• 29:55
  a
• 29:55
  switch
• 29:56
  flips
• 29:56
  in
• 29:56
  your
• 29:56
  brain
• 29:58
  and
• 29:58
  everybody
• 29:59
  around
• 29:59
  you,
• 29:59
  even
• 29:59
  the
• 30:00
  happiest
• 30:00
  person
• 30:00
  in
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  world
• 30:01
  or
• 30:01
  you
• 30:02
  think
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  the
• 30:02
  happiest
• 30:02
  person
• 30:02
  in
• 30:03
  the
• 30:03
  world,
• 30:04
  exhibits
• 30:04
  some
• 30:04
  suffering
• 30:05
  on
• 30:05
  their
• 30:05
  face
• 30:05
  and
• 30:06
  in
• 30:06
  their
• 30:06
  body
• 30:06
  and
• 30:06
  in
• 30:06
  their
• 30:06
  being.
• 30:07
  You
• 30:07
  see
• 30:07
  it,
• 30:07
  you're
• 30:07
  kind
• 30:07
  of
• 30:08
  like,
• 30:08
  oh,
• 30:08
  my
• 30:08
  God.
• 30:08
  And
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  first
• 30:09
  time
• 30:09
  it
• 30:09
  happened
• 30:09
  to
• 30:09
  me,
• 30:09
  it
• 30:10
  was
• 30:10
  some,
• 30:10
  some
• 30:10
  people
• 30:11
  that
• 30:11
  were
• 30:11
  much
• 30:12
  serious
• 30:12
  Brent
• 30:12
  technicians
• 30:13
  than
• 30:13
  I
• 30:13
  was.
• 30:14
  And
• 30:14
  I
• 30:15
  thought
• 30:15
  to
• 30:15
  myself,
• 30:15
  they
• 30:16
  can't
• 30:16
  be
• 30:16
  suffering.
• 30:17
  Like,
• 30:17
  how
• 30:17
  can
• 30:17
  this
• 30:18
  be?
• 30:19
  But
• 30:19
  they
• 30:19
  were.
• 30:20
  And
• 30:20
  I
• 30:20
  think
• 30:21
  that
• 30:21
  Christianity,
• 30:22
  a
• 30:23
  lot
• 30:23
  of
• 30:23
  other
• 30:24
  spiritual
• 30:25
  traditions
• 30:25
  try
• 30:25
  to
• 30:25
  explain
• 30:26
  this
• 30:26
  in
• 30:26
  other
• 30:26
  ways
• 30:26
  in
• 30:27
  spirit.
• 30:27
  In
• 30:27
  Christianity,
• 30:28
  it's
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  idea
• 30:29
  of
• 30:29
  Adam,
• 30:29
  Eve,
• 30:29
  it's
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  idea
• 30:30
  of
• 30:30
  original
• 30:30
  sin.
• 30:31
  Like
• 30:31
  we
• 30:31
  have
• 30:32
  something
• 30:33
  original
• 30:34
  that
• 30:34
  just
• 30:35
  causes
• 30:35
  us
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  suffer.
• 30:37
  And
• 30:37
  the
• 30:38
  Buddha
• 30:38
  saw
• 30:38
  that.
• 30:39
  That
• 30:39
  was
• 30:39
  what
• 30:39
  his
• 30:41
  incredible
• 30:42
  breakthrough
• 30:42
  was.
• 30:43
  Sitting
• 30:43
  under
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  Bodhi
• 30:44
  tree
• 30:44
  that
• 30:44
  night.
• 30:44
  He
• 30:45
  saw
• 30:45
  the
• 30:45
  truth
• 30:46
  of
• 30:46
  suffering
• 30:46
  is
• 30:47
  what
• 30:47
  he
• 30:47
  taught.
• 30:47
  And
• 30:47
  that's
• 30:47
  why
• 30:47
  the
• 30:48
  very
• 30:48
  first
• 30:48
  teaching
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  he
• 30:49
  gave
• 30:50
  after
• 30:50
  that
• 30:51
  happened
• 30:51
  was
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  truth
• 30:52
  of
• 30:52
  suffering,
• 30:52
  because
• 30:52
  he
• 30:53
  saw
• 30:54
  this
• 30:54
  absolute
• 30:55
  suffering
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  is
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  human
• 30:57
  condition.
• 30:57
  Some
• 30:57
  people
• 30:58
  call
• 30:58
  it
• 30:58
  malaise,
• 30:59
  some
• 30:59
  people
• 30:59
  call
• 30:59
  it,
• 31:01
  oh,
• 31:02
  I
• 31:02
  don't
• 31:02
  know,
• 31:03
  you
• 31:03
  know,
• 31:03
  existential
• 31:04
  angst,
• 31:05
  but
• 31:05
  it's
• 31:06
  there.
• 31:07
  And,
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  we
• 31:07
  all
• 31:08
  know
• 31:08
  it
• 31:08
  deep
• 31:08
  down,
• 31:09
  we
• 31:09
  all
• 31:09
  feel
• 31:09
  it.
• 31:10
  And,
• 31:11
  and
• 31:11
  what
• 31:11
  the
• 31:11
  Buddha
• 31:12
  taught
• 31:12
  was
• 31:14
  there
• 31:14
  is
• 31:14
  a
• 31:14
  way
• 31:14
  out
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  suffering.
• 31:15
  And
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  way
• 31:15
  out
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  suffering
• 31:16
  is
• 31:16
  to
• 31:16
  sit
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  meditate
• 31:17
  and
• 31:17
  you
• 31:17
  gotta
• 31:18
  really
• 31:18
  work
• 31:18
  at
• 31:18
  it.
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  mean,
• 31:19
  he
• 31:19
  worked
• 31:19
  at
• 31:20
  it
• 31:20
  like
• 31:20
  crazy,
• 31:21
  but.
• 31:21
  But
• 31:21
  it
• 31:22
  is
• 31:22
  something
• 31:22
  that
• 31:22
  you
• 31:22
  can
• 31:23
  experience
• 31:24
  so.
• 31:25
  Well,
• 31:26
  I'm
• 31:26
  afraid
• 31:26
  we're
• 31:26
  out
• 31:26
  of
• 31:27
  time.
• 31:27
  I'm
• 31:28
  so
• 31:28
  grateful,
• 31:29
  Lee,
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  be
• 31:30
  able
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  talk
• 31:30
  with
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  about
• 31:31
  this.
• 31:32
  I'm
• 31:33
  Anthony
• 31:33
  Wright
• 31:34
  and
• 31:34
  I'm
• 31:34
  your
• 31:34
  co
• 31:34
  host
• 31:34
  today
• 31:35
  on
• 31:35
  the
• 31:36
  Living
• 31:36
  Conversation
• 31:37
  with
• 31:37
  Adam
• 31:38
  Dietz.
• 31:38
  Thanks
• 31:38
  for
• 31:39
  joining
• 31:39
  the
• 31:39
  conversation.
• 31:40
  And
• 31:40
  we've
• 31:40
  been
• 31:41
  talking
• 31:41
  with
• 31:41
  our
• 31:41
  guest,
• 31:42
  Lee
• 31:42
  Carlson.
• 31:42
  And
• 31:42
  how
• 31:43
  can
• 31:43
  people
• 31:43
  contact
• 31:43
  you,
• 31:43
  Lee?
• 31:45
  So
• 31:45
  best
• 31:45
  way
• 31:46
  is
• 31:46
  my
• 31:46
  website,
• 31:46
  which
• 31:46
  is
• 31:47
  Lee
• 31:47
  Carlson
• 31:48
  life,
• 31:48
  not
• 31:48
  Lee
• 31:48
  Carlson.com
• 31:49
  Lee
• 31:50
  Carl's
• 31:50
  now
• 31:50
  Life,
• 31:50
  because
• 31:51
  that's
• 31:51
  what
• 31:51
  we're
• 31:51
  talking
• 31:51
  about
• 31:51
  here.
• 31:52
  And,
• 31:53
  and,
• 31:53
  and
• 31:53
  on
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  website
• 31:54
  is
• 31:54
  lots
• 31:55
  of
• 31:55
  contact
• 31:55
  info,
• 31:56
  email,
• 31:56
  phone,
• 31:57
  how
• 31:57
  you
• 31:57
  can
• 31:57
  reach
• 31:58
  me
• 31:58
  in
• 31:58
  social
• 31:58
  media,
• 32:00
  all
• 32:00
  that
• 32:00
  good
• 32:01
  stuff.
• 32:01
  And
• 32:02
  right
• 32:02
  over
• 32:02
  my
• 32:03
  shoulder
• 32:03
  here,
• 32:03
  there
• 32:03
  are
• 32:04
  my
• 32:04
  two
• 32:04
  books.
• 32:04
  That's
• 32:07
  a
• 32:07
  single
• 32:08
  excellent
• 32:08
  Night
• 32:08
  is
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  one
• 32:08
  close
• 32:09
  to
• 32:09
  me
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  Pastor
• 32:10
  Nirvana
• 32:11
  is
• 32:11
  the
• 32:11
  other
• 32:11
  one.
• 32:11
  That's
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  green,
• 32:12
  the
• 32:13
  green
• 32:13
  cover.
• 32:13
  So
• 32:14
  great.
• 32:15
  Well,
• 32:15
  thank
• 32:15
  you
• 32:15
  so
• 32:16
  much
• 32:16
  for
• 32:16
  listening,
• 32:16
  everyone,
• 32:17
  and
• 32:17
  we
• 32:18
  will
• 32:18
  see
• 32:18
  you
• 32:18
  next
• 32:18
  time.