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G'day. That's right, it's that time again. Time for Cinema Yuga!
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Yes! Welcome back. Yuga Nights, Cinema Yuga and your host,
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Kent Hill sometime before yesterday, or after
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tomorrow somewhere out in
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the yonder there was this guy that
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guy is astral plane
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drifter or simply the drifter to
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you and astral plane drifter
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is the brainchild the passion
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project the absolute genius work
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of my guest this week one mike caravella mike caravella is a really awesome
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fella and this is an awesome movie to astral planes drifter to get it see it
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watch it learn everything about it,
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www.astralplanedrifter.com. We'll put the links in the description.
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But for right now, the winds of change and chance have blown him in this way,
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straight, fresh off the astral plane. Here he is, the drifter himself.
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A really awesome fella. My guest, Mike Caravella.
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Welcome to cinema you again mike g'day mike thanks can't thanks for having me man it's.
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Fantastic to have you like i was saying while we
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were uh starting up there we were i think you
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were underscored there but uh i really enjoyed
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this but then again like i said it's right up my alley
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this movie tell me they not so
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much the origin story but maybe the i i
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have my i i just want to i i i was going
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to tell you what i thought that your inspirations cinematically were but i i
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don't want to i just want to sort of hear you say it and then they go oh yeah
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yeah yeah like that one yes yes yes i just want to tick them off secretly so
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what were what were the what were the cinematic inspirations.
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But yeah so i have a ton of them i mean i'm i'm a
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i mean just some of the key ones like if you had to pick three
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pick three all right you're rasky
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uh ken russell and uh
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and and maybe leon able to clean
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these words but just be any question there but i have because i heard that in
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the score a little bit spaghetti yeah terry gilliam terry gilliam for sure yeah
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yeah fear and loading is a is a favorite yeah yeah thompson is a favorite of
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mine yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's great No,
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I just, I was going to say all that and I thought, no, I just wanted to.
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He'll, he'll confirm or disconfirm, but that's all, that is all there.
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And plus space vampires, snake
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people that get, that smoke all of your weed and then steal your car.
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Terrible folk, these people. What's wrong with them?
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It's a wild, it's a wild scene. Man, crotch lasers, hand lasers, eye lasers.
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This is the kind of movie Joe Bob Briggs just goes blind for I wish I'd get
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him to watch the movie you've got to make the sequel you've got to make the sequel are you?
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So I have two more, I have a trilogy are you making them?
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So I have investors on this movie but a large part of it was me,
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so I need to make some money before I
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can make connection somebody could potentially you know
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hopefully somebody loves this movie with a lot of money says all
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right what do you got next he's like well just so happens i got two more so
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i hope so my god but i
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have this somebody anybody listening to this it has too
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much money and not enough movies to spend
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it on yeah come and see this fella and
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then don't need that much don't need that much money because this
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is a low budget indie and like i think i got a lot of time but
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i mean it's that that's a it's effective that's part
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of its charm i mean yeah yeah you know
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i mean because what i got out of it was immediately i was thinking back we're
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going back now 20 30 oh 40 years now oh my gosh we're going back and i'm thinking
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about vhs movies and i thought this would be the kind of movie that you would
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find on them shelves like,
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Yeah. In those sci-fi, you know, because I'm, it's, what is it?
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Like a sci-fi stoner, western comedy?
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Yeah, I call it a western, well, I bridged it on the poster because you can't
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fit it on the poster. Right.
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It's a western sci-fi kung fu grindhouse psychedelic stoner comedy.
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That's it. Beautiful there.
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So enough said. There you go.
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But yeah, the poster leans into those VHS days, and that's the poster right behind me.
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That's like you see that in the old old school video store and you see that
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vhs box they're like yeah what the hell is this i'm taking this home tonight
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yeah yeah exactly exactly it'd be it's it's one of the covers it's just you'd
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look at it and yeah that's one of the covers that.
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Yeah away we go and it's a
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good all that i lean into all of it i'm influenced by
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it all i homage a great pizza movie yeah
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no doubt about it no doubt about it and i think you
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know that was like my goal my goal in making this movie is like long after i'm
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dead i want two guys who are sitting around in the living room eating pizza
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and smoking tons of weed and saying yeah let's put the fucked up movie out of
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their brains absolutely in a splendid condition,
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enjoying the legend the quest of the legendary mofo who's kind of like a cross between doctor who.
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And the dude yeah i've
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gotten a lot of jeffrey lebowski references and that's
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yeah yeah it's been
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great the dude abides we actually made a film festival a weed influence film
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festival it's called the cannabis culture film festival yeah wait two main events
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on friday saturday night was the big lebowski on friday night and drift on saturday
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night so that was like the highest form which meant I could have been paid. So that was awesome.
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I'd love to go to that Lebowski fest that they have. Yeah, I would love to too.
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So what's in one neighborhood again? Those sweaters are very expensive though.
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Yeah, and they're probably more expensive. Is it Pellington's or whatever? Is it Pellington's?
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He's taken on wearing it again lately. Have you seen them?
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Yeah, yeah. He was on the talk show going, keep ice up at the streets and beverages, man.
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You know, God bless him. Jeff Bridges has become Lloyd Bridges.
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God's sake. Where's the time gone? And I love that. Most people don't realize.
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I really wish they would do like a Hot Shots 3.
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Yeah and because charlie sheen's doing
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the circuit so he's looking for work he is
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that we're not like that's what larry kellen used to say when the old movie
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stars because let's face it they're all getting old yeah uh come out and do
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the book and the talk shows they're they're looking for work they want to be
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hired they want people to put them in movies oh that i guess he.
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He's made a lot of it, but I guess he spent it alive.
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Jack Bridges can now be Lloyd Bridges, man. I got a fun Charlie Sheen story.
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So I don't live in L.A. anymore. I live out in the Mojave Desert.
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But when I lived in L.A., I was at a Taco Bell in the San Fernando Valley at like 2 in the morning.
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I'm in the driving line, and there's a bush right before the window.
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I see some rustling behind it, and somebody pops up,
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and it was charlie sheen and he's a mess and his
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shirt's ripped up and i don't know what he was doing but
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he was laying in the weeds in uh on the side of
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the taco bell and he just got up and walked away and uh you could fill in the
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blanks i've seen that clip have you seen that clip of him obviously on like
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youtube where he goes up to the car you know through the window how's it going I'm Charlie Sheen.
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Yeah. No, I almost lived that exact moment. Yeah.
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The thing was, he was like not a bad actor.
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No, he's a pretty good one, right? He was a pretty good actor.
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All of his dramatic stuff, I liked.
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How can you not like be, how can some of that. I mean, I'm a Navy SEALs fan too. So.
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I mean, he was like 12 years old hanging out with Coppola and his dad and Dennis
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Hopper and Marlon Barando.
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I mean, who gets those opportunities? Yeah.
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And as he's telling the stories, he was there when they were in the middle of
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it, in the shit, as they say.
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No, it was crazy times. They all, they, they all almost died out there.
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They need to make a movie about the making of Apocalypse Now.
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Yeah. One that wasn't like they did.
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I mean, the documentary is beautiful. I would never want more,
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but it would be such a great narrative film.
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Yeah. Yeah. That would be great. Like they did with The Offer, with The Godfather.
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Yeah, I like that. But obviously, because it's Apocalypse Door film.
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Yeah, you need more in it, though. You need lots of cocaine and lots of crazy.
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Because, man, think about the actors you were drawing for the parts,
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like who's going to play Dennis Hopper, who's going to play –.
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You know, who's going to play Martin Sheen? Who's going to play,
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you know, Lawrence Fishburne, right?
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You know, who's going to play Sam Bottoms, right? Who's going to play Frederick Forrest?
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Right. You know?
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And then plus the, you know, plus the. Harrison, Harrison Ford's in the movie
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too, right? Yeah, yeah. Harrison, yeah.
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Man, that final, I saw that final cut actually in a cinema.
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Yeah. Beautiful. I mean, I know people have their versions that they liked.
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There's a lot of people say the original theatrical is the best,
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or there's people who like the Redux.
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And then there's people. I think it's important to watch it with all the stuff with the French.
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Yeah, yeah. Seeing that's not in the original version, I think it's important
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for the context of everything that's going on.
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But I mean, just on a visual level, like the final cut projected was beautiful. Yeah.
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Oh, just like when they did the, the, when Blade Runner came out again,
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like theatrically and they'd restored it.
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And man, it's like seeing it for the first time again.
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And again, but I do it all the time. I go high definition.
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I go see the old movies now in the theater more and I go see the new movies. So yeah. Yeah.
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Well, like, uh, people, you know, I look in the mirror and I see an old man.
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Our movies and our music were better. Yeah.
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Start to sound like my father. Yeah. Uh, that's crazy.
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God's sake. What happened to the time? Where did the time go? Yeah.
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Sucked into the astral planes to fight space vampires. Tell me about,
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tell me about sitting down to write this movie. Yeah.
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So, like I mentioned earlier, and I won't get too much into my background, there's some stuff.
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So, I moved out to the desert about eight years ago, and I live about two hours east of Los Angeles now.
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I'm originally from New York City, and I lived in LA for a long time doing the
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thing in the business, you know, grinding away.
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And I got cancer, and then I was pretty sick for a while, and I didn't think
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I was going to work anymore. So, I moved out to the desert.
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And then as I got better, I started pushing towards some work and I booked some
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work and everything was going really, really good.
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I just had the best year of my career and then COVID happened.
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So I shut it down. And then I'm just out in the desert for like a year,
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just wandering day by day by day. And there's a lot of weird.
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So you've lived this.
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I've lived it. So like there's a lot of weird locations and quirky stuff and folklore.
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And uh between the i don't know if anybody's familiar
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with i'm i'm i'm being an old fart here but
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like the legend of grand parsons and when he was out in the
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desert like doing also a guy who helped start
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the eagles and the birds and all that stuff and uh ufos
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and all sorts of stuff that goes on out here
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and uh the locations really fed me
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the idea like i went i found these crazy locations and
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it gave me this mishmash of ideas and being
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the 60s 70s cinephile that i am i'm seeing
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the good the bad the ugly i'm seeing the original
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planet apes i'm seeing the 60s tv version of star trek i'm seeing i'm seeing
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chang shay and shaw brothers kung fu right right wow and like what was the what
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was the the like what was the name of the weed that you were smoking Well,
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you know, there have been dozens...
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I want to go out somewhere and see space vampires, mate.
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Well, the cool thing, we have a little secret here for Drifter.
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Drifter does a lot of smoking, but, like, because I'm a cancer survivor,
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I don't actually smoke anymore. I can't smoke.
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But I'm in California, and, like, you drink, you eat, do whatever.
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Yeah, there's always lots of stuff.
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Tinctures and edibles and beers.
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I find the edibles get you higher in some ways.
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Yeah. And the beer, like, there's this one that I get that's,
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like, it's a little bottle. It's about this big. I think it's, like, nine ounces.
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It's, like, ice cream lemonade concoction, and it's got 100 milligrams in it.
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Wow. Yeah. So, yeah.
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I still explore, man. That's a good morning app. Yeah.
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Or wherever. So, yeah, so you open your mind a little bit, and it's easy to
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do out here. Like, I set out my backyard at the stars, and you probably have some of that by you.
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Is it true the desert is really cold at night?
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It is. So, uh. So, it's a real high contrast. Like, it's really hot in the daytime,
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and it's really cold at night.
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Right. And in the wintertime, like, and we shot this thing in the winter.
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Really? I bet it's really cold, actually. It's like 39 degrees at night.
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Yeah. So, it gets, and there's no humidity, and the wind blows,
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and it cuts right through.
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So, yeah. I grew up on the East Coast of the United States.
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If it's 70 degrees out, it's 75% humidity.
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Here, humidity is 10%. There's no humidity. It's dry as hell.
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The temperature drops way down. There's the sun. It goes down.
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Even if you're standing in the sun to the shade, if you just go in the shade,
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the temperature drops for you at 20 degrees because of humidity.
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It was cold. then we were out there so as you saw we had a bunch of night shoots,
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then we're all out there in polyester.
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And the wind's cutting right through, and we were pretty free. Yeah.
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No, I first learned about that when I was interviewing Mike Marvin,
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who directed The Wraith.
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Yeah. A Charlie Sheen movie. Got it.
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And I think The Wraith might have actually used some of the same locations that we did.
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Really? I know The Hitcher did. If you remember The Hitcher with Rutger Hauer
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and Thomas Howell. All that movie.
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And we actually shot some of our scenes on Tatooine, the actual like same Spock's
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film Tatooine out in Death Valley so we might we've mentioned that there yeah
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sweet ass yeah that's fantastic,
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there's so much history out there like the Vasquez rocks and all that sort of
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thing yeah so like TV shows and movies and all sorts of stuff if you remember
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the Star Trek episode with the Gorn where Kirk is out there one on one throwing
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boulders with the yeah yeah,
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the Gorn then that's we get a lot of those comparisons yeah And at the end of Hell Comes to Frogtown.
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Yeah. I love that movie. Yeah.
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That's, yeah, God bless it. I hope they never try to remake it or something.
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They will, because they have no idea. No, they will. They'll work their way around to it.
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It's like I was horrified back when they were like, The Rock was going to do
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a remake of Big Trouble in Little China.
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Yeah, I remember those talks. Oh, my God. I was like, no, no, no, no.
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Leave it alone. Just there's heaps of shit. You can go remake what they're doing. The Jetson.
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I mean, so people, why haven't they done a feature film of the,
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you know, remake of a fifties cartoon version of the Jetsons?
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Like they did the Flintstones and.
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Right. I just read some of them. Richie Rich. Who's playing George again?
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Jim Carrey. They did Richie Rich. And they did Richie Rich. Did Macaulay Culkin do Richie Rich? Yeah.
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I actually liked the Beverly Hillbillies one they did with Jim Varney.
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Yeah, that was pretty good. I actually liked that one.
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I liked the dude, I forget his name, he's got a weird name. He plays Jethro. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, God, I can never think of his name, but man, he cracks me up.
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When they walk inside, he goes, two staircases. He goes, what's that for?
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And he goes, that's easy, Uncle G. one's for coming up the other one's for coming down.
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That's great that cracks me up every time
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yeah and lily tomlin's like what's her name mr drysdale's assistant yeah yeah
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i was like man i'm wait i was like waiting on they're gonna get around to the
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jetsons at some point like they did lost in space for god's sake right with william hurt. Yeah.
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And dude from Friends met LeBlanc with Gary Oldman for God's sake. Gary Oldman.
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Gary Oldman's not afraid that yeah he's one of the best but he's never embarrassed
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about taking a payday. Oh. Yeah.
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He didn't really like doing the fifth element, which I thought was interesting. I heard.
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Fifth element has... Apparently, nobody... I mean, I know they like to rag on...
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What's his name, Bob? From Friday.
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Because Tucker. Tucker, yeah. But he... I thought he was pretty funny in that
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movie. I thought he was pretty funny. Better than Jar Jar Binks. Yeah.
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That's true. I mean, on an annoying factor, like, you know.
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I mean there's a good amount of him but there's not too much I mean towards
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the end like when he ends up with him it's like oh shit does he have to,
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but you know but like he sort of caps it up nicely he's like enough of this
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shit I'm leaving you know,
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you know but I mean it's I mean it's a weird what's beautiful about that film
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is it's European and They have the, they're not afraid to mix like in humor.
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Like there's, there's a serious version of the fifth element that I'm sure Hollywood
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would have made that would have been bereft of humor.
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Maybe some quippy stuff, but not right. But a solid sci-fi action.
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But because this is, this is still that, right.
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But it's more like a heavy metal. Yeah. Comic.
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With Neumar. And that's right. I think it's yours too. And Bruce Willis being,
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you know, peak Bruce Willis.
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You know, I'm Corbin Dallas.
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No, I'm Corbin Dallas. I am Corbin Dallas. I am Spartacus.
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But no, so Astral Plains, tell us about the, like, so COVID was a big dent in everyone's bum. Right.
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So how did that, ultimately that, how did that affect the film and everything?
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So I wound up making a short.
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So I made a short first of Astral Plane Drifter, which was like, because of COVID.
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So it was like, I have a good friend of mine that's a professional director
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of photography. He's been around for a long time. He's worked on James Bond
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movies and all sorts of stuff.
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And for some reason, he likes to hang around me and do my crazy weird shit.
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So I brought him out to my house and I knew an actor and he knew an actress
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and they got tested and we all
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kind of came out to the desert and we had a really small team, my family,
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my wife and my kids were crew and we made the short film and I wound up winning
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35 awards with the short film and playing festivals for like a year and a half.
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I think people are interested in this character. I think I need to do more with
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it. So yeah, I wrote one script. I wrote two scripts. I wrote three scripts.
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Shopped around for a little while. I tried to raise one. And we saw your franchise.
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Yeah. Yeah. And raising money was hard, and I'm impatient. So I just decided to go at it myself.
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So I did a little Indiegogo, a little crowd funder.
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I raised some money, and then that was enough to inspire some investors.
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And then I convinced my wife to push all chips into the middle of the table and go all in.
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And we went. We went. And that was in December. God bless the fact that you went.
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He went. He went. He used every cent.
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And we're glad we has. Yeah. This is such a great movie.
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It's just like a feast. It's like, I once went to this very flash dinner and,
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as part of a sales convention, one of these sales,
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you know, if you do well, you get to go on the trip sort of trips and all of
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those is free and oh my goodness, I haven't drank so much beer before or since, uh,
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in period, because everywhere we went, there was free cold beer and to an Australian that is like, uh,
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I suppose, uh, an Irishman in his Guinness, uh, the Irishman drowning in a pool of Guinness.
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And it was fantastic. It was truly as close to Nirvana, I think, as I will ever get.
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But, yeah, incredible stuff. I really, there's nothing about it that is not enjoyable.
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I loved, what else can I talk about?
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I loved the villain, what's his name, John Jordan.
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Oh, yeah, the Aspid. With his Legion of Doom shoulder pads and a cape.
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What is available with his shoulder pads and a cape, I say?
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Fantastic. Shoes the scenery. He devours the scenery, but fantastically.
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The nipple torture. He ends up on a nipple torture.
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Yeah, the nipple. Well, people are going to enjoy that.
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People are going to enjoy it and inspire themselves. They go like,
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oh, I don't really like this, but I like it.
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Like I said I really love your narration you have,
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moments that aren't like where you're just
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you're not talking obviously in the shot but the narration is playing over you
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like looking at something it's just like we've all we've done the crazies we've
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all done crazy things on hash you know and stuff like that that was all and
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that came about out of uh like necessity is the mother of invention you know that was out of the,
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It looked like it would be hard to record sound in the wind.
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It is. And when we did the short, it was going to be hard to record sound.
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So the short was all, this is not all narration, but the short was all narration.
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And because the sound was going to be a complication, my wife,
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who's a school teacher, she was our boom operator out in the desert.
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So we were like, we know we can't really record too much sound.
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We're going to have to depend on some other stuff.
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And out of that, the people watched the short, and they loved the narration.
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So that kind of, that fed it. It's like, all right, well, we're going with that.
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That's how we're doing this. So, yeah, and people seem to like it.
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I'll also say, and I think people
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have been fed a line that voiceover and narration can be a bad thing.
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And, like, some people say too much, but, like, not... Nah, that's just because
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of Robert McKay, and everyone loves him.
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And he'll tell you, I'm not a student of Robert McKee at all.
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I haven't read any of his books or his philosophy.
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All I know about Robert McKee is, is, oh God, Brian Cox, the beautiful,
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wonderful, beautiful Brian Cox's performance as him in adaptation.
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Yeah. Where he's a sweary berry, you know, you use voice over my friends and
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I'm going to kick you in the ass, you know, that kind of stuff that's,
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bollocks. It's just bollocks so that you buy their book and look,
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oh, I've had so much success. Look at all the Oscar winners that I've nurtured into success.
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Buy the book, asshole. I can't afford it.
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But, yeah, everyone can afford to get out and see Astral Plane Drift Mike. Yeah. Tell our,
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wonderful listening audience where they can see how
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they can see how they can get how they can
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help how they can do yeah so
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i get to become a mofo that's right
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you need to become a mofo and we're gonna let you become a mofo soon we're gonna
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get that in like like about 60 seconds but first the website astroplanedrifter.com
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it's pretty comprehensive it has the trailer on there and all the laurels that
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we've won so far and where we're going, where we've been.
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There's a merch store on there. I'm wearing the merch. If you can see,
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I'm going to lower it. There's a t-shirt. There's a hat.
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We have the new, the very purple and green behind us right there.
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Can you get the posters? Can you buy those? You can buy posters and I'll sign them for free.
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You buy the poster. It comes with the signature.
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Can I buy that one behind? Can I buy one like the one behind your shoulder? Is that exact one?
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Right now I have 11x17s, but if you want the bigger one, I can get you the bigger one too. Okay, cool.
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If I get one, will you autograph it for me? Absolutely. Absolutely.
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So, yeah, that's- I would love to get one and have you autograph it.
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For sure. For sure. And we have stickers, cool stickers and hats and shirts.
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And then we're coming out. i'm coming out with a limited edition small run special
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edition blu-ray in january oh awesome only 250.
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Only 200. get in there i'll be pre-order that i'm gonna have it up on the website
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in a couple weeks and you can pre-order it so yeah we'll put all the links in
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the britt sign it so you see it's a limited edition so it'd be one out of 250 two out of 250.
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Or whatever the number is and now sign it. Awesome.
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We're just finishing up our festival run. I bet it's almost a year to the day
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that we world premiere at Horror Fest in Utah and won Best Genre Bender.
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And now we're about three dozen festivals in. We have nine wins,
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nine other nominations.
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I have about seven or eight more festivals this year, and then we're done with that.
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I have started doing roadshow screenings. I've done about a dozen screenings
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where I've been taking the movie out myself on the road and doing the red carpet thing.
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I have all the drift of red carpet stuff and merchandise, and I show up for
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pre- and post-conversations with people out in the lobby, and we sell merchandise,
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and we drink beer, and we have a party.
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So I'm doing that I'm going to be doing that for a while I have a theater in
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Palm Springs California next week it'll be an all Halloween weekend.
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October 31st November 1st and November 2nd I'm
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going to be coming to more places as we go I'm going to start doing conventions
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next year selling merchandise selling the Blu-ray and I'm not streaming just
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yet because I believe there's a movie that needs to have communal get people
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out in the theater trying to build a midnight movie did this whole thing,
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come out to see the movie. Cult status.
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It's got it. It's got it written all over it. This is the kind of movie, look, I see.
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I came away feeling like this is a movie you would find back in the video days.
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You would be looking through the sci-fi adventure, whatever section, whatever.
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And, you know, next to Buckaroo Bonsai, they might be Astral Planes Drifter
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or something like that, you know, or in between, yeah, in between that and the
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Ice Pirates perhaps, which is another good deal. Ice Pirates as well.
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That's a great movie. Oh, they don't make movies. Hey, I'm starting to say there's
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the folks again. No, I don't.
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Well, don't make movies like that anymore, do you know?
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It's true. I mean, we grew up in the time, like, you know, I was a kid in the
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70s. You never know it when you're living in a golden age.
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No, we would definitely. You never know until it's over.
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TV, I feel like the 70s were the golden age of all that stuff. Oh, man.
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Oh, man. Yeah. And I was getting a sponge just taking all that stuff.
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Take me home to the place I belong. Yeah.
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There was a time long, long ago, back when we used to, like,
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communicate by banging on drums in the jungle.
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And wanting fire, sending smoke.
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I actually still do that. I'm out in my backyard with my Bronco and my fire
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pit, looking up at the stars, looking for UFOs.
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I do that every weekend. Why not?
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Why not? Never mind there is a time. That time is just Saturday night.
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Every night is Saturday night. On the Astral Plains, you've been listening to our wonderful guest.
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He's a fantastic, talented, multi-talented individual. This is an incredible
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film down for cult status.
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Everyone, please get over, check the links in the description,
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get over and support and check out and wrap your laughing gear around Astral Plane Drifter.
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Did you ever consider Astral Planes Drifter, like High Planes Drifter?
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Right that's the reference
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that's the plane because that was talking about
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the spaghetti western stuff not so much leone but like clint eastwood broke
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off from leone and he had two movies high plane shifter and hang him high which
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are like my favorite westerns they're kind of ethereal and little ghost story-ish
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and and a little trippy and those are the ones so high
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shifter was definitely the play on the name so that's
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that's why we went with the astral plane cool as opposed to the high plane we
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were in the high plane oh i'm glad you around the high plane i'm glad you went
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i hope you get to go again mike yeah thank you for being my guest on cinema
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you again mate god bless you.
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Thank you, Ken. I appreciate the time. And everybody go to astralplanedrifter.com. Thank you.
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Yes, astralplanesdrifter. Get over to astralplanedrifter.com.
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Mike Caravella, really awesome fella. Get over there, support him,
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check out his work, because I want to see more of this.
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So I really need you to get out there and buy a poster or buy a DVD.
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Do help him out, because the more you support indie films, it helps indie film to grow strong.
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And, you know, if the winds of change and chance end up seeing the mass populace
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Hollywood fall or at least crumble and the indies rise with the new help of
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the new technology and even out the playing field, well,
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and we start making films that compete with the big boys,
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well, geez, oh what a day that'll be
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i have a dream support indie
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film support mike caravela check
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the links in the description and as always my little yugenites thank you for
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listening to us on spotify or wherever you choose to listen to your favorite
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podcasts i'm ken hill and until next time you've been listening to Cinema,
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Zero Game.