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- 0:01It's
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- 0:01second
- 0:01part
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- 0:02our
- 0:02conversation
- 0:03with
- 0:03author
- 0:04and
- 0:04educator
- 0:05Reuben
- 0:05Britt
- 0:06Jr.
- 0:07A
- 0:07new
- 0:07episode
- 0:07of
- 0:08the
- 0:08Wheelhouse
- 0:08begins
- 0:09right
- 0:10now.
- 0:21Thank
- 0:22you
- 0:22so
- 0:22much
- 0:22for
- 0:23taking
- 0:23time
- 0:23out
- 0:23of
- 0:24your
- 0:24busy
- 0:24day
- 0:24to
- 0:24give
- 0:24us
- 0:25a
- 0:25listen.
- 0:25Season
- 0:26nine
- 0:26features
- 0:27a
- 0:27panel
- 0:27of
- 0:27four
- 0:28like
- 0:28minded
- 0:29friends
- 0:29and
- 0:29colleagues.
- 0:30Kathy
- 0:30Mone,
- 0:31Michael
- 0:31Pipa,
- 0:32Dr.
- 0:33Alicia
- 0:33Monroe,
- 0:34and
- 0:34yours
- 0:35truly.
- 0:36We've
- 0:36opened
- 0:36up
- 0:36the
- 0:37conversation
- 0:37this
- 0:38season
- 0:38to
- 0:38think
- 0:39about
- 0:39empowering
- 0:40educators
- 0:41to
- 0:41cultivate
- 0:42hope.
- 0:43In
- 0:43our
- 0:43sixth
- 0:44episode,
- 0:44we
- 0:45welcomed
- 0:46Ruben
- 0:46Britt
- 0:47Jr.
- 0:47A
- 0:48master
- 0:48educator
- 0:49and
- 0:49co
- 0:49author
- 0:50of
- 0:50an
- 0:50amazing
- 0:51text
- 0:52that
- 0:52he
- 0:52wrote
- 0:52with
- 0:53Dr.
- 0:55Don't
- 0:55dismiss
- 0:56my
- 0:56Story,
- 0:57the
- 0:57Tapestry
- 0:58of
- 0:58Colonized
- 0:59Voices
- 0:59in
- 1:00White
- 1:00Space,
- 1:01currently
- 1:01available
- 1:02on
- 1:02Amazon
- 1:03and
- 1:03Cognello.
- 1:04We
- 1:04had
- 1:05an
- 1:05amazing
- 1:06conversation
- 1:08about
- 1:08what
- 1:09it
- 1:09means
- 1:09to
- 1:11extend
- 1:12empathy
- 1:12to
- 1:13our
- 1:13students
- 1:13and
- 1:14to
- 1:14really
- 1:14understand
- 1:15who
- 1:15they
- 1:15are
- 1:16with
- 1:17all
- 1:17of
- 1:17the
- 1:17complexities
- 1:18that
- 1:19a
- 1:19multidimensional
- 1:20identity
- 1:21brings
- 1:22with
- 1:22it.
- 1:23Their
- 1:23book,
- 1:24Don't
- 1:24Dismiss
- 1:24My
- 1:25Story
- 1:25is
- 1:25a
- 1:26counter
- 1:27dismissal
- 1:28narrative.
- 1:29Now
- 1:29if
- 1:30you're
- 1:30not
- 1:30sure
- 1:30what
- 1:30a
- 1:31counter
- 1:31dismissal
- 1:32narrative
- 1:32is,
- 1:33take
- 1:33a
- 1:33listen
- 1:34to
- 1:34episode
- 1:35six.
- 1:35But
- 1:36in
- 1:36this
- 1:36episode,
- 1:37as
- 1:37we
- 1:38wrap
- 1:38up
- 1:38that
- 1:39amazing
- 1:39conversation
- 1:40with
- 1:41Ruben
- 1:41and
- 1:42Alicia
- 1:43as
- 1:43well
- 1:43as
- 1:43the
- 1:43rest
- 1:44of
- 1:44our
- 1:44panel,
- 1:45we're
- 1:45going
- 1:45to
- 1:45look
- 1:45at
- 1:46seven
- 1:46questions
- 1:47that
- 1:48they
- 1:48offer
- 1:49us
- 1:49as
- 1:50a
- 1:50reflective
- 1:50exercise
- 1:51toward
- 1:51the
- 1:51end
- 1:52of
- 1:52their
- 1:52book.
- 1:53It
- 1:53is
- 1:53an
- 1:54amazing
- 1:54conversation.
- 1:56I
- 1:56thought
- 1:56it
- 1:56was
- 1:56so
- 1:57powerful
- 1:57I
- 1:58wanted
- 1:58to
- 1:58split
- 1:59it
- 1:59up
- 1:59into
- 1:59two
- 2:00episodes
- 2:01so
- 2:01that
- 2:01you
- 2:02could
- 2:02savor
- 2:03the
- 2:04genius
- 2:04that
- 2:05comes
- 2:05from
- 2:05both
- 2:06of
- 2:06them
- 2:08together.
- 2:09Let's
- 2:09cultivate
- 2:10hope
- 2:10for
- 2:11each
- 2:11and
- 2:11every
- 2:12student.
- 2:13And
- 2:13now,
- 2:14episode
- 2:15seven
- 2:15at
- 2:15the
- 2:16second
- 2:16part
- 2:16of
- 2:16our
- 2:17conversation
- 2:18with
- 2:18our
- 2:18special
- 2:19guest
- 2:19Reuben
- 2:20Britt
- 2:20Jr.
- 2:21Talking
- 2:22about
- 2:22this
- 2:22amazing
- 2:23text,
- 2:24Don't
- 2:24Dismiss
- 2:25my
- 2:26the
- 2:26Tapestry
- 2:27of
- 2:27Colonized
- 2:27Voices
- 2:28in
- 2:28White
- 2:29Space.
- 2:30You're
- 2:30not
- 2:30going
- 2:30to
- 2:31want
- 2:31to
- 2:31miss
- 2:31this.
- 2:32Take
- 2:32a
- 2:32listen.
- 2:37So
- 2:38in
- 2:38the
- 2:38book,
- 2:39Dr.
- 2:39Munro
- 2:40and
- 2:41Ruben
- 2:42identified
- 2:43these
- 2:43really
- 2:44powerful
- 2:45questions.
- 2:48It
- 2:48was
- 2:48a
- 2:48reflective
- 2:49exercise
- 2:49in
- 2:49one
- 2:50of
- 2:50the
- 2:50chapters.
- 2:50But
- 2:51I
- 2:51think
- 2:52it's
- 2:52just
- 2:52really
- 2:52important,
- 2:54these
- 2:54questions
- 2:55that
- 2:55really
- 2:56form
- 2:56the
- 2:56basis
- 2:58of
- 2:59any
- 2:59relationship,
- 3:00of
- 3:00any
- 3:01relationship,
- 3:02human
- 3:02to
- 3:03human.
- 3:03And
- 3:03they're
- 3:03absolutely
- 3:04brilliant
- 3:05questions.
- 3:06And
- 3:06so
- 3:06I
- 3:06want
- 3:06to
- 3:06throw
- 3:07those
- 3:07into
- 3:07this
- 3:07space
- 3:08to
- 3:09continue
- 3:09this
- 3:10conversation
- 3:12around
- 3:12this
- 3:13amazing
- 3:13book.
- 3:14And
- 3:14these,
- 3:14these
- 3:14were
- 3:15the
- 3:15questions
- 3:16that
- 3:16I
- 3:16thought
- 3:17were
- 3:17just
- 3:18genius.
- 3:20Simple,
- 3:21yet
- 3:21so
- 3:21powerful.
- 3:23Do
- 3:23you
- 3:23know
- 3:24me?
- 3:26What
- 3:27do
- 3:27you
- 3:27know
- 3:28about
- 3:28me?
- 3:29Do
- 3:30you
- 3:30care
- 3:31about
- 3:31me?
- 3:33Do
- 3:33you
- 3:34want
- 3:34to
- 3:34know
- 3:35more
- 3:36about
- 3:36me?
- 3:38What
- 3:38are
- 3:38your
- 3:39assumptions?
- 3:41How
- 3:42can
- 3:42we
- 3:43better
- 3:43understand
- 3:44each
- 3:44other?
- 3:46Finally,
- 3:47Do
- 3:48I
- 3:48matter
- 3:48to
- 3:48you?
- 3:49I'm
- 3:50just
- 3:50gonna
- 3:50open
- 3:51this
- 3:51up
- 3:51to
- 3:51say
- 3:52I
- 3:54just
- 3:55love
- 3:56those
- 3:57questions.
- 3:58Why
- 3:59are
- 3:59those
- 3:59so
- 3:59powerful?
- 4:00I
- 4:00think
- 4:00the
- 4:00silence
- 4:01in
- 4:01the
- 4:02room,
- 4:02you
- 4:02know,
- 4:03often
- 4:04I
- 4:04know
- 4:05when
- 4:05you're,
- 4:05you're
- 4:05editing.
- 4:06You
- 4:06will,
- 4:06you
- 4:07know,
- 4:07you'll,
- 4:07you'll
- 4:08cut
- 4:08those
- 4:08out.
- 4:08But
- 4:08I
- 4:09think
- 4:09that
- 4:10that
- 4:11pause
- 4:11is
- 4:12so
- 4:13important.
- 4:14I
- 4:14think
- 4:15those
- 4:15questions
- 4:16are,
- 4:18are,
- 4:18are
- 4:19simple.
- 4:19And
- 4:19I
- 4:19know
- 4:19I
- 4:20said
- 4:20this
- 4:20earlier,
- 4:20but
- 4:20they're
- 4:21the,
- 4:21they're
- 4:22so
- 4:22profound.
- 4:24And
- 4:24to
- 4:24really
- 4:25think
- 4:25about
- 4:26as
- 4:27educators,
- 4:28asking
- 4:29those
- 4:30questions
- 4:31of
- 4:32our
- 4:32students
- 4:32that
- 4:33we're
- 4:33entrusted
- 4:33with
- 4:35and
- 4:36being
- 4:36willing
- 4:38to
- 4:39listen
- 4:40to
- 4:41have
- 4:41that,
- 4:42that
- 4:42pause
- 4:42that
- 4:43we
- 4:43just
- 4:43had
- 4:45and
- 4:45let
- 4:46that
- 4:46take
- 4:46up
- 4:47space.
- 4:50Yeah,
- 4:50I
- 4:50was
- 4:51reading
- 4:51them
- 4:51and
- 4:51thinking
- 4:52about
- 4:53the
- 4:53story
- 4:53that
- 4:54Ruben
- 4:54told
- 4:55us
- 4:55earlier
- 4:55about
- 4:56Jamal.
- 4:58And
- 4:59what
- 4:59comes
- 4:59to
- 5:00mind
- 5:01right
- 5:01away
- 5:02is
- 5:03if
- 5:03you
- 5:03didn't
- 5:04know
- 5:04something
- 5:06so
- 5:07simple
- 5:09about
- 5:10Jamal,
- 5:11what
- 5:12else
- 5:12are
- 5:12you
- 5:13missing?
- 5:14And
- 5:14how
- 5:16can
- 5:16you
- 5:17answer,
- 5:18you
- 5:18know,
- 5:18how
- 5:18can
- 5:19you
- 5:19say,
- 5:19right,
- 5:20I
- 5:20care.
- 5:21About
- 5:21you,
- 5:22I
- 5:23just
- 5:23feel
- 5:23that.
- 5:23Again
- 5:24and
- 5:24again,
- 5:26we're
- 5:27asked
- 5:27as
- 5:27educators
- 5:29to
- 5:31examine
- 5:32our
- 5:33motives
- 5:34for
- 5:36taking
- 5:36the
- 5:37position
- 5:37of
- 5:37teacher.
- 5:41And
- 5:41if
- 5:42you're
- 5:42going
- 5:43to
- 5:43serve
- 5:44in
- 5:44this
- 5:45profession,
- 5:48who
- 5:48are
- 5:48you
- 5:49serving?
- 5:50What
- 5:50are
- 5:50you
- 5:51serving?
- 5:52And
- 5:54if
- 5:55you're
- 5:55going
- 5:55to
- 5:56prioritize
- 5:56something
- 5:57over
- 5:58the
- 5:58development
- 5:59of
- 5:59a
- 5:59relationship
- 6:01with
- 6:01the
- 6:02young
- 6:02people
- 6:02with
- 6:02whom
- 6:02you're
- 6:03going
- 6:03to
- 6:03work,
- 6:03I
- 6:03feel
- 6:04like
- 6:04your
- 6:05service
- 6:05has
- 6:05gone
- 6:05awry
- 6:06right
- 6:06from
- 6:06the
- 6:06get
- 6:07go.
- 6:08And
- 6:08those
- 6:09questions,
- 6:11they
- 6:11go
- 6:12deeper
- 6:12than
- 6:13simply,
- 6:14you
- 6:15know,
- 6:15I
- 6:15want
- 6:15to
- 6:15get
- 6:16to
- 6:16know
- 6:16you.
- 6:17They
- 6:17get
- 6:18to
- 6:19the
- 6:20literal
- 6:20and
- 6:21figurative
- 6:22heart
- 6:23of
- 6:24the
- 6:24matter
- 6:24of
- 6:24learning.
- 6:26I
- 6:26want
- 6:26to
- 6:26get
- 6:26to
- 6:27know
- 6:27you
- 6:28because
- 6:29you
- 6:29matter.
- 6:32And
- 6:32I
- 6:33want
- 6:33to
- 6:33understand
- 6:34all
- 6:34of
- 6:34the
- 6:35ways
- 6:37that
- 6:38you
- 6:38experience
- 6:39the
- 6:39world.
- 6:40Your
- 6:41take
- 6:41on
- 6:42as
- 6:42much
- 6:42as
- 6:43I
- 6:43can
- 6:43hear,
- 6:48that's
- 6:48where
- 6:48it
- 6:48begins.
- 6:50But
- 6:50it's
- 6:51a,
- 6:52that's
- 6:52why
- 6:52relationships,
- 6:53when
- 6:53we
- 6:54decide
- 6:55to
- 6:55invest
- 6:56in
- 6:56their
- 6:56creation,
- 6:57become
- 6:57so
- 6:58powerful
- 6:58and
- 6:58so
- 6:58rewarding
- 6:59and
- 7:00they
- 7:00have
- 7:00this
- 7:00duration
- 7:02because
- 7:03they,
- 7:03they
- 7:04start
- 7:04in
- 7:04the
- 7:04right
- 7:04place
- 7:05and
- 7:05they're
- 7:05made
- 7:05of
- 7:05the
- 7:05right
- 7:06things.
- 7:06But
- 7:07how
- 7:07is
- 7:07it
- 7:07that,
- 7:09how
- 7:09is
- 7:09it,
- 7:12it's
- 7:12possible
- 7:12to
- 7:13even
- 7:13think
- 7:13we're
- 7:14doing
- 7:14this
- 7:14work
- 7:15without
- 7:16prioritizing
- 7:17and
- 7:18using
- 7:18questions
- 7:19like
- 7:19this
- 7:20as
- 7:21our
- 7:21origin,
- 7:22as
- 7:22our
- 7:22beginning,
- 7:22as
- 7:23our
- 7:23outset,
- 7:24as
- 7:24our
- 7:24roadmap.
- 7:26Mike,
- 7:28well
- 7:28said.
- 7:30What's
- 7:30interesting
- 7:31in
- 7:32terms
- 7:32of
- 7:32what
- 7:33you
- 7:33said
- 7:33is
- 7:33that
- 7:34sometimes
- 7:36they
- 7:36may.
- 7:39You.
- 7:39Know,
- 7:39they
- 7:40may
- 7:41respond
- 7:42to
- 7:42a
- 7:43couple
- 7:43of
- 7:43those
- 7:43questions
- 7:44in
- 7:44a
- 7:44positive
- 7:45way,
- 7:45but
- 7:45you
- 7:45gotta,
- 7:45you
- 7:45gotta
- 7:46be
- 7:46all
- 7:46in.
- 7:46You
- 7:47can't
- 7:47be,
- 7:48you
- 7:48know,
- 7:49half
- 7:49here
- 7:49and
- 7:49half
- 7:50there.
- 7:51And
- 7:52sometimes
- 7:52because
- 7:53they
- 7:53do,
- 7:54they're
- 7:54not
- 7:54all
- 7:54in.
- 7:56Many
- 7:56of
- 7:56these
- 7:57students
- 7:57are
- 7:57traumatized,
- 8:00and
- 8:01because
- 8:01of
- 8:01that,
- 8:02it
- 8:02prevents
- 8:03them
- 8:03from
- 8:04being,
- 8:05prevents
- 8:06them
- 8:06from
- 8:06learning.
- 8:07And
- 8:08statistics
- 8:08are
- 8:09showing
- 8:09the
- 8:09students
- 8:09are
- 8:09traumatized,
- 8:11they
- 8:11are
- 8:11unable
- 8:12to
- 8:12learn.
- 8:12It
- 8:13even
- 8:13affects
- 8:13the
- 8:13iq.
- 8:14I
- 8:15mean,
- 8:15it
- 8:15goes
- 8:16on
- 8:16and
- 8:16on
- 8:16and
- 8:16on
- 8:17about
- 8:17that.
- 8:17And
- 8:18I
- 8:18call
- 8:18these
- 8:19folks
- 8:19dream
- 8:20killers.
- 8:21And
- 8:23I
- 8:23can
- 8:23tell
- 8:23you
- 8:24another
- 8:24story
- 8:25that
- 8:25happened
- 8:26even
- 8:26at
- 8:27this
- 8:27college
- 8:27that
- 8:27I
- 8:27work
- 8:27at.
- 8:28You
- 8:28had
- 8:28a
- 8:28young
- 8:29lady
- 8:29who
- 8:29had
- 8:29taken
- 8:30a
- 8:30professor
- 8:31taking
- 8:32a
- 8:32couple
- 8:32of
- 8:32classes
- 8:32with
- 8:32this
- 8:33professor.
- 8:34So
- 8:34she
- 8:34knew
- 8:34him
- 8:34and
- 8:35he
- 8:35knew
- 8:35her.
- 8:36So
- 8:36she
- 8:37was
- 8:37looking
- 8:38at
- 8:38applying.
- 8:39She
- 8:39was
- 8:39applying
- 8:40to
- 8:40the
- 8:40University
- 8:40of
- 8:41Pennsylvania.
- 8:42And
- 8:42so
- 8:42she
- 8:42went
- 8:43to
- 8:43him
- 8:43and
- 8:43asked
- 8:43him
- 8:43for
- 8:44a
- 8:44letter
- 8:45of
- 8:45reference.
- 8:46And
- 8:46he
- 8:46told
- 8:46her
- 8:47she
- 8:47wasn't
- 8:47penned
- 8:48material.
- 8:52And
- 8:52she
- 8:52was
- 8:53devastated.
- 8:53Fortunately,
- 8:54she
- 8:54knew.
- 8:55She
- 8:55went
- 8:55to
- 8:55somebody
- 8:56who
- 8:57looked
- 8:57like
- 8:57her,
- 8:59who
- 8:59encouraged
- 8:59her
- 9:00and
- 9:00said,
- 9:01I
- 9:01will
- 9:01write
- 9:01you
- 9:01the
- 9:02letter
- 9:02of
- 9:02recommendation.
- 9:04I
- 9:05believe
- 9:05it
- 9:05was
- 9:05about
- 9:05five
- 9:06or
- 9:06six
- 9:06years
- 9:06ago.
- 9:07She
- 9:08completed
- 9:08her
- 9:08doctorate
- 9:08degree.
- 9:09Oh,
- 9:09my
- 9:10gosh.
- 9:11At
- 9:12the
- 9:12University
- 9:12of
- 9:12Penn.
- 9:13Right.
- 9:16But
- 9:16that's
- 9:17just
- 9:17probably
- 9:18one
- 9:20trillionth
- 9:21if
- 9:21there's
- 9:22such
- 9:22word
- 9:23of
- 9:23stories
- 9:23like
- 9:24that.
- 9:24Absolutely.
- 9:25You
- 9:26know,
- 9:27and
- 9:27then,
- 9:27you
- 9:28know,
- 9:28it's
- 9:29so
- 9:30do
- 9:30they
- 9:30really
- 9:31matter?
- 9:31Do
- 9:32you
- 9:32really
- 9:32care
- 9:32about
- 9:33me?
- 9:34All
- 9:35these
- 9:35types.
- 9:35And
- 9:35then
- 9:35going
- 9:36back
- 9:36to
- 9:36this
- 9:37person's
- 9:37assumption,
- 9:38yeah,
- 9:38she's
- 9:39a
- 9:39good
- 9:39student.
- 9:39She
- 9:40did
- 9:40well
- 9:40in
- 9:40my
- 9:40class.
- 9:41But
- 9:42I
- 9:43don't
- 9:43think,
- 9:43see,
- 9:44going
- 9:44back.
- 9:44To
- 9:45personal
- 9:45bias,
- 9:46personal
- 9:46bias
- 9:47and
- 9:47this
- 9:48idea
- 9:48that
- 9:49when
- 9:49you
- 9:49live
- 9:50an
- 9:50unexamined
- 9:51life,
- 9:51you.
- 9:51You're
- 9:52totally
- 9:52numb
- 9:53to
- 9:54when
- 9:55bias
- 9:55is
- 9:55operating.
- 9:57And
- 9:58it's
- 9:58that
- 9:58power
- 9:59structure
- 10:00that
- 10:00Alicia
- 10:01talked
- 10:01about
- 10:01earlier,
- 10:02right?
- 10:03So
- 10:03it's
- 10:03this.
- 10:04I.
- 10:04I
- 10:04hold
- 10:05this.
- 10:05This
- 10:06power
- 10:06over
- 10:07you
- 10:09and
- 10:11enough
- 10:11to
- 10:11be
- 10:12able
- 10:12to
- 10:12kill
- 10:12these
- 10:13dreams.
- 10:15And
- 10:16I'm
- 10:16ashamed
- 10:16to
- 10:16say,
- 10:17Reuben,
- 10:17I.
- 10:18I
- 10:18know
- 10:18that
- 10:18story
- 10:19in
- 10:19another
- 10:19school,
- 10:20in
- 10:21another
- 10:21setting.
- 10:24I
- 10:25think,
- 10:25I
- 10:25think
- 10:25we
- 10:25all.
- 10:26Right.
- 10:26I
- 10:27think
- 10:27we
- 10:27all
- 10:27have
- 10:28countless
- 10:29examples
- 10:30of
- 10:32whether,
- 10:32you
- 10:32know,
- 10:33Alicia
- 10:33said
- 10:33it
- 10:33in
- 10:34the
- 10:34very
- 10:34first
- 10:34episode
- 10:35of
- 10:35this
- 10:36season.
- 10:36We
- 10:36continue
- 10:37to
- 10:37say
- 10:37it.
- 10:37Reuben
- 10:38just
- 10:38said
- 10:38it,
- 10:38right?
- 10:39Are
- 10:39we
- 10:40in
- 10:40the
- 10:40business.
- 10:42Of
- 10:43cultivating
- 10:43hope
- 10:44or
- 10:45killing
- 10:45dreams?
- 10:46Because
- 10:46it's
- 10:46not.
- 10:47You
- 10:47don't
- 10:47get
- 10:47to
- 10:47do
- 10:48both,
- 10:48right?
- 10:49You
- 10:50don't
- 10:50get
- 10:50to
- 10:50do
- 10:50both.
- 10:51Maybe
- 10:51you
- 10:51get
- 10:51to
- 10:51do
- 10:52one,
- 10:52right?
- 10:53So
- 10:53which
- 10:53one
- 10:53are
- 10:53you
- 10:54choosing?
- 10:55Which
- 10:56one
- 10:56are
- 10:56you
- 10:56choosing?
- 10:56And
- 10:56who
- 10:57are
- 10:57you
- 10:57choosing
- 10:57it
- 10:57for?
- 10:58Right?
- 10:58Who
- 10:59are
- 10:59you
- 10:59choosing
- 10:59it
- 10:59for?
- 11:00And
- 11:00then
- 11:00own
- 11:01it,
- 11:01right?
- 11:02So
- 11:03if
- 11:03you're
- 11:03here
- 11:05and
- 11:06you
- 11:06cultivate
- 11:07hope
- 11:07and
- 11:08you
- 11:08promoting
- 11:08hope,
- 11:09own
- 11:09that.
- 11:10If
- 11:10you're
- 11:11here
- 11:11and
- 11:11you
- 11:12killing
- 11:12dreams,
- 11:13own
- 11:13it,
- 11:14right?
- 11:14But
- 11:14don't
- 11:15mask
- 11:16dream
- 11:17killing
- 11:17with
- 11:18cultivating
- 11:18hope,
- 11:19right?
- 11:20Then
- 11:20you're
- 11:20lukewarm,
- 11:21right?
- 11:22And
- 11:22that's
- 11:22the
- 11:23state
- 11:23of
- 11:24education
- 11:24today.
- 11:25If
- 11:25you
- 11:26want
- 11:26to
- 11:26sit
- 11:27and
- 11:27collect
- 11:27a
- 11:28check
- 11:28and
- 11:29do
- 11:29two
- 11:29months
- 11:30off,
- 11:30like,
- 11:31be
- 11:31true
- 11:32to
- 11:32yourself,
- 11:33right?
- 11:34Because
- 11:34students
- 11:35are
- 11:35coming
- 11:35into
- 11:36space
- 11:36damaged.
- 11:37Educators
- 11:38are
- 11:38coming
- 11:38into
- 11:39space
- 11:39damage.
- 11:40There
- 11:40is
- 11:41a
- 11:41whole
- 11:41section
- 11:41in
- 11:42the
- 11:42book
- 11:42dedicated
- 11:43to
- 11:43discussing
- 11:44and
- 11:45Deconstructing
- 11:45the
- 11:46invisible
- 11:46backpack,
- 11:47right?
- 11:48And
- 11:49our
- 11:49space
- 11:50here
- 11:51is
- 11:52dedicated
- 11:52to
- 11:53powerful
- 11:53student
- 11:54care
- 11:54and
- 11:54dignity
- 11:55and
- 11:55respect
- 11:56and
- 11:56hope.
- 11:57But
- 11:58we
- 11:58have
- 11:59some
- 11:59real
- 11:59damaged
- 12:00educators,
- 12:01right,
- 12:01that
- 12:01are
- 12:02coming
- 12:02in
- 12:02with
- 12:03adult
- 12:03childhood
- 12:04experiences,
- 12:05right?
- 12:05Those
- 12:05aces.
- 12:06And
- 12:07they
- 12:07haven't
- 12:07even
- 12:08unpacked
- 12:08their
- 12:08stuff,
- 12:09right?
- 12:09But
- 12:09then
- 12:10they
- 12:10stand
- 12:10in
- 12:11front
- 12:11of
- 12:11our
- 12:11students
- 12:13in
- 12:14this
- 12:14attempt
- 12:14to
- 12:15develop
- 12:16relationship.
- 12:17Well,
- 12:17if
- 12:17you
- 12:17have
- 12:18damage,
- 12:19right,
- 12:19then
- 12:20all
- 12:20you
- 12:20can
- 12:20give
- 12:20is
- 12:21damage,
- 12:21right?
- 12:22But
- 12:22at
- 12:22least
- 12:23center
- 12:23that
- 12:25and
- 12:25be
- 12:25able
- 12:25to
- 12:26have
- 12:26those
- 12:26transparent
- 12:27conversations
- 12:28and
- 12:28know
- 12:28that
- 12:28you
- 12:29can
- 12:29do.
- 12:29But
- 12:29so
- 12:29much
- 12:32and
- 12:32no
- 12:33more.
- 12:33But
- 12:34I
- 12:34think
- 12:34what's
- 12:35missing
- 12:36is
- 12:36what
- 12:36centers
- 12:37the
- 12:37book,
- 12:37which
- 12:37is
- 12:38a
- 12:38truth
- 12:38narrative.
- 12:40So
- 12:40those
- 12:41questions
- 12:41that
- 12:41you
- 12:42lift
- 12:42so
- 12:43nicely,
- 12:43Grant,
- 12:45we
- 12:46have
- 12:46located
- 12:47towards
- 12:47the
- 12:47end
- 12:48of
- 12:48the
- 12:48book
- 12:49because
- 12:50we
- 12:50were
- 12:51deliberate
- 12:51and
- 12:51mindful
- 12:52because
- 12:53the
- 12:54book
- 12:54is
- 12:54developed
- 12:55like
- 12:55a
- 12:55curriculum.
- 12:56It's
- 12:56a
- 12:56build
- 12:56up,
- 12:57right?
- 12:58Every,
- 12:59every,
- 13:01every
- 13:01chapter
- 13:01starts
- 13:02with
- 13:02a
- 13:02quote,
- 13:02an
- 13:03epigraph.
- 13:04Then
- 13:04you
- 13:05have
- 13:05some
- 13:05pre
- 13:06questions,
- 13:07then
- 13:07you
- 13:07have
- 13:07some
- 13:08narrative,
- 13:08then
- 13:08you
- 13:09have
- 13:09some
- 13:09takeaways,
- 13:10then
- 13:10you
- 13:10have
- 13:10some
- 13:10reflection
- 13:11questions.
- 13:12So
- 13:13in
- 13:13order
- 13:13to
- 13:14shift
- 13:14paradigms,
- 13:15we
- 13:15know
- 13:16that
- 13:16everyone
- 13:16is
- 13:16sitting
- 13:17in
- 13:17a,
- 13:17in
- 13:17a
- 13:18really
- 13:19deeply
- 13:20entrenched
- 13:20mental
- 13:21model.
- 13:22They
- 13:23really
- 13:23have
- 13:23to
- 13:24sit
- 13:24with
- 13:24themselves.
- 13:25Even
- 13:25a
- 13:25resistor
- 13:26that
- 13:26resists
- 13:27needs
- 13:27to
- 13:27sit
- 13:27with
- 13:28themselves
- 13:28if
- 13:29they
- 13:29really
- 13:29want
- 13:30to
- 13:30be
- 13:30impactful,
- 13:31positively
- 13:32impactful
- 13:33and
- 13:33cultivate
- 13:34hope
- 13:35for
- 13:35the
- 13:35students
- 13:36that
- 13:36we
- 13:36serve.
- 13:38You
- 13:38know,
- 13:39and
- 13:40Dr.
- 13:40Munro
- 13:41knows
- 13:41about
- 13:41this
- 13:42story.
- 13:44I
- 13:44remember
- 13:45back
- 13:45in
- 13:46my
- 13:46days
- 13:46when
- 13:46I
- 13:46was
- 13:46teaching
- 13:47Boston
- 13:47public
- 13:48school
- 13:48system
- 13:49and
- 13:51there
- 13:52was
- 13:52this,
- 13:53you
- 13:53know,
- 13:54we
- 13:54were
- 13:54getting
- 13:54ready
- 13:54to
- 13:55go
- 13:55on
- 13:55a
- 13:55spring
- 13:55break,
- 13:56so
- 13:56I
- 13:56would
- 13:56go
- 13:56around
- 13:56and
- 13:56ask
- 13:57the
- 13:57students
- 13:57what,
- 13:57what
- 13:58are
- 13:58they
- 13:58going
- 13:58to
- 13:58be
- 13:58doing
- 13:59during
- 13:59the
- 13:59Easter
- 14:00break?
- 14:00And
- 14:01so
- 14:02this
- 14:02one
- 14:02young
- 14:03lady
- 14:03said,
- 14:04Mr.
- 14:05Brett,
- 14:05I'm
- 14:05going
- 14:05to,
- 14:06I'm
- 14:06going,
- 14:07going
- 14:07to
- 14:08Dominican
- 14:09Republic
- 14:09to
- 14:09visit
- 14:09my
- 14:10grandmother.
- 14:10And
- 14:11I
- 14:11said
- 14:11oh
- 14:11really?
- 14:12And
- 14:12I
- 14:12said
- 14:12so,
- 14:13so
- 14:14is
- 14:15there
- 14:15anything
- 14:15special
- 14:16you're
- 14:16going
- 14:16to
- 14:16be
- 14:16doing
- 14:16when
- 14:17you're
- 14:17visiting
- 14:17your
- 14:17grandmother?
- 14:18Oh,
- 14:18she,
- 14:19she
- 14:19likes
- 14:19to
- 14:19cook.
- 14:19And,
- 14:20and
- 14:20so
- 14:21you
- 14:21could
- 14:21see
- 14:21the
- 14:21look
- 14:21on
- 14:22her
- 14:22face
- 14:22that
- 14:22she.
- 14:24Of
- 14:24excitement
- 14:24that
- 14:25I
- 14:25was
- 14:25listening
- 14:25to
- 14:25her,
- 14:26that
- 14:26I
- 14:26cared.
- 14:27And,
- 14:28and
- 14:29I
- 14:29said,
- 14:29you
- 14:29know,
- 14:30your
- 14:30whole
- 14:30family
- 14:30going.
- 14:31So
- 14:31I
- 14:31kept
- 14:31asking
- 14:32a
- 14:32question.
- 14:32So
- 14:33it,
- 14:33it.
- 14:33And
- 14:34also
- 14:35went
- 14:35back
- 14:35body
- 14:36language
- 14:36too,
- 14:37because,
- 14:38but
- 14:38anyways,
- 14:39what
- 14:40was
- 14:40really
- 14:40touching
- 14:41about
- 14:41this
- 14:41story
- 14:41was
- 14:42when
- 14:44she
- 14:44came
- 14:45back
- 14:45to
- 14:45school,
- 14:47she
- 14:47brought
- 14:47me
- 14:47back
- 14:48a
- 14:49T
- 14:49shirt
- 14:50from
- 14:50the
- 14:50Dominican
- 14:51Republic.
- 14:52I
- 14:52didn't
- 14:52ask
- 14:52her
- 14:53any,
- 14:53but
- 14:53I
- 14:53was
- 14:54touched
- 14:54by
- 14:54that.
- 14:55And
- 14:55I
- 14:55remember
- 14:55her
- 14:56facial
- 14:56expression
- 14:57when
- 14:57I
- 14:57was
- 14:57asking
- 14:58all
- 14:58these
- 14:58questions.
- 14:59And
- 14:59she
- 14:59said,
- 14:59I
- 15:00brought
- 15:00you
- 15:00something,
- 15:00Mr.
- 15:00Britt.
- 15:01And
- 15:01I'm
- 15:01like.
- 15:02And
- 15:03she
- 15:03brought
- 15:04me
- 15:04This
- 15:04T
- 15:05shirt
- 15:05from
- 15:05the
- 15:05Dominican
- 15:06Republican.
- 15:08I
- 15:09was
- 15:09moved
- 15:09by
- 15:09it.
- 15:09That's
- 15:10one
- 15:10of
- 15:10those
- 15:10moving
- 15:10stories
- 15:12that
- 15:12happened
- 15:13in
- 15:13my
- 15:13career.
- 15:15But
- 15:16that's
- 15:16just
- 15:18a
- 15:18small
- 15:19story
- 15:20of
- 15:21many
- 15:22that
- 15:22I
- 15:23could
- 15:23share
- 15:23with
- 15:23you.
- 15:23But
- 15:24it
- 15:25goes
- 15:25back
- 15:25to
- 15:25those
- 15:25questions.
- 15:26Grant,
- 15:28do
- 15:28you
- 15:28care?
- 15:29And
- 15:29I
- 15:29did
- 15:29care.
- 15:31And
- 15:31also
- 15:32we
- 15:32have
- 15:33this
- 15:34thing
- 15:34where
- 15:35when
- 15:35teachers
- 15:36will
- 15:37tell
- 15:37students
- 15:38information
- 15:39that
- 15:40can
- 15:40be
- 15:40helpful,
- 15:41but
- 15:42the
- 15:42way
- 15:43they
- 15:43deliver
- 15:44it,
- 15:45if
- 15:45they're
- 15:45saying,
- 15:45yeah,
- 15:46you
- 15:46go
- 15:47down
- 15:47here
- 15:47and
- 15:48get
- 15:48an
- 15:49application,
- 15:49fill
- 15:50up
- 15:50final.
- 15:51If
- 15:51I'm
- 15:51not
- 15:52showing
- 15:53enthusiasm,
- 15:54if
- 15:54I'm
- 15:55not
- 15:55showing
- 15:56that
- 15:56I
- 15:57really
- 15:57care,
- 15:57I'm
- 15:57just
- 15:58kind
- 15:58of
- 15:58giving
- 15:58you
- 15:58information.
- 15:59It
- 15:59also
- 16:00attributes
- 16:01to
- 16:02their
- 16:02success
- 16:02as
- 16:03well
- 16:03as
- 16:03their
- 16:03faith.
- 16:06I
- 16:06mean,
- 16:07absolutely.
- 16:08This
- 16:09is,
- 16:09this
- 16:09is,
- 16:10this
- 16:10is
- 16:10the
- 16:11moral
- 16:11imperative
- 16:12or
- 16:12the
- 16:13moral
- 16:13obligation
- 16:14that
- 16:15we
- 16:15bring
- 16:16to
- 16:17you.
- 16:17Not
- 16:17everybody
- 16:18can
- 16:18be
- 16:18a
- 16:18teacher.
- 16:19Not
- 16:20everybody
- 16:20can
- 16:21be
- 16:21an
- 16:21educator.
- 16:22Not
- 16:22everybody
- 16:23should
- 16:23be
- 16:24an
- 16:25educator
- 16:26because
- 16:27with
- 16:28accepting
- 16:29that
- 16:29role,
- 16:30we
- 16:31should
- 16:31be
- 16:32accepting
- 16:33the
- 16:33moral
- 16:34imperative
- 16:35of
- 16:36doing
- 16:36what
- 16:36we've
- 16:37been
- 16:37talking
- 16:37about
- 16:38today
- 16:39for
- 16:40each
- 16:41and
- 16:41every
- 16:42student
- 16:43who
- 16:43comes
- 16:44in
- 16:44our.
- 16:44Door,
- 16:45regardless
- 16:46of
- 16:46who
- 16:46they
- 16:46are,
- 16:47where
- 16:47they
- 16:47come
- 16:47from,
- 16:48how
- 16:48they
- 16:48identify.
- 16:49Because
- 16:50at
- 16:50the
- 16:50end
- 16:50of
- 16:50the
- 16:51day.
- 16:52As
- 16:52educators,
- 16:53right,
- 16:53it's
- 16:54our
- 16:54job.
- 16:55It's
- 16:56our
- 16:56job
- 16:56to
- 16:56care.
- 16:58It's
- 16:58our
- 16:59job
- 17:00to
- 17:00cultivate
- 17:01hope
- 17:03in.
- 17:03This
- 17:03crazy
- 17:04world
- 17:04we
- 17:04live
- 17:04in
- 17:05in.
- 17:052025,
- 17:06my
- 17:06friends,
- 17:07right?
- 17:07If
- 17:08we
- 17:08don't
- 17:08do
- 17:08it,
- 17:10who
- 17:10will?
- 17:12Who
- 17:12will?
- 17:12I
- 17:13want
- 17:13to
- 17:13say
- 17:13thank
- 17:13you
- 17:14so
- 17:14much
- 17:15to
- 17:16Reuben
- 17:17Britt
- 17:17for
- 17:17joining
- 17:18us
- 17:18today
- 17:19and
- 17:20talking
- 17:20about
- 17:21that
- 17:21amazing
- 17:22book
- 17:22that
- 17:22he
- 17:22wrote
- 17:23with
- 17:23Dr.
- 17:23Monroe.
- 17:25Don't
- 17:25dismiss
- 17:26my
- 17:27the
- 17:27Tapestry
- 17:28of
- 17:28Colonized
- 17:29Voices
- 17:30in
- 17:30White
- 17:30Space
- 17:31that
- 17:32is
- 17:32available
- 17:32at
- 17:32Amazon.
- 17:33It's
- 17:33available
- 17:33at
- 17:34Cognella.
- 17:34I'll
- 17:34put
- 17:35the
- 17:35link
- 17:35in
- 17:36our
- 17:36show
- 17:36notes.
- 17:37Thank
- 17:37you
- 17:37so
- 17:37much
- 17:38for
- 17:38gracing
- 17:38us
- 17:39with
- 17:39your
- 17:39presence
- 17:40today,
- 17:40sir.
- 17:41It
- 17:41has
- 17:41been
- 17:41an
- 17:41honor
- 17:42to
- 17:43have
- 17:43this
- 17:43conversation
- 17:44with
- 17:44you
- 17:45and
- 17:46I
- 17:46hope
- 17:46that
- 17:46we
- 17:47will
- 17:47continue
- 17:48that
- 17:48conversation
- 17:49in
- 17:49the
- 17:49future.
- 17:50So
- 17:50this
- 17:50wraps
- 17:50up
- 17:50this
- 17:51episode
- 17:51of
- 17:51the
- 17:51Wheelhouse.
- 17:52I'll
- 17:52see
- 17:53you
- 17:53next
- 17:53week.
- 17:59And
- 17:59that's
- 18:00a
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