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Matthew Chapter 18: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been!
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wife!
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what we're doing today?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, last time we read Matthew chapter 17.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure's fucked it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in that episode, Jesus took Peter James and John up on a mountain.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He sure's fucked it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and you may recall it was kind of like getting the Bible band back together.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a greatest crossover event in history.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was Moses Elijah, Jesus, and God.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And God, all up there with those other, you know, three guys.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and there was on Cloudy Smoke stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So one might say that the Holy Spirit was there as well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, you know, I don't know what that was all about, but that was some crazy shit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait to talk about that in our Q&A.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is coming up when?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: After this episode.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we got this episode and then we got the Q&A after that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I too.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Very curious about this get together on top of the mountain.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because what the fuck?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It really just was a bit much.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was out of the blue.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden we just have the entire
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  [SPEAKER_00]: it was just a weird recast like hey members of those guys right from the OT.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that they were going to pop into the new team.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The part that bothered me the most though is the lack of witnesses.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They kept it real small.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it just it feels like um um
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like a branding exercise where they're like, hey, do you need to make this bigger?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep this small.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna, we're just gonna say this happened, that happened these days.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, apparently those three are like his best bros and they show up at multiple events with him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's convenient, isn't it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the same guys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know about you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I had three guys that I trusted the most, and I wanted to start a new thing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A griff?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A new griff?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably who I would invite to most events.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are a handful, two or three people that we could trust to keep our grifting secret with us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's just my thoughts on this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was Matthew chapter 17.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's book was.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that today we're going to be getting into little Maddie chapter 18.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are hopping into Little Maddie, Chapter 18.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're just going to go in, okay?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: At that time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: At that time, you know, set the church.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: After they were up on the mountain, and whatever they came back down, and they were running around the mountain probably.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember where I said that they were coming down the mountain?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: At that time, the disciples came to Jesus so the rest of the Toochie gang.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And asked, who there is the greatest
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I'm actually curious about this answer.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He called a little child to him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus loves a little children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All the children of the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And yellow black are white.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They are gorgeous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, Jesus loves a little children of the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard that song?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I have, but not because I want to church.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What about what about what about, um,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe the children are a future.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was on the radio.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And well, and that, and leave the way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Show them all the beauty they possess.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the fact that all the artists got together.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, this is, um, that was, what's your name?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was, we are the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Whitney Houston.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whitney, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Give them a sense of pride.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, what's she just got to say?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He calls a little child to him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he places the child among them, the disciples.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you gain?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's dangerous, I think.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whatever, we'll see what this group of guys and a little child.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it just doesn't sound good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, truly I tell you, oh, in red ink.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's just Jesus saying, obviously, really I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you welcome a child, if you welcome a child in Jesus' name, hand your poor, then you'll be right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what I'm gathering?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We should all have lots of children and we should name them all Jesus.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, unless they're your own family, then you got a kitchen because you got to follow the path of Jesus wherever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because like your own family doesn't matter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because your real family is your disciples.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's your church club.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Your own personal touch again.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Your own personal touch again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jesus continues, if anyone causes one of these little ones, those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's fair, because toddler stumble quite a bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, no.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Say it like, you know, this is based on stumbling.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody, he's happy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's saying, he's saying that he's saying that, he's saying that it would be better that you fucking drown for realsies than to trip up a little child, which is a little innocent believer in Jesus.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You should fucking drown before you trip them up, you must fuck.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So they weren't on Epstein Island.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Then he says, whoa, to the world, because of the things that cause people to stumble.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he called Peter a stumbling block.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: His own bestie.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he called him Satan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So get the behind me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll rebuke thee.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Such things must come.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But whoa.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, to the person through won't they come?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whoa, Peter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So you shouldn't make children stumble and you shouldn't stumble either.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you do, then you should cut that thing off.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: that thing off and put it backwards, it's better for you to enter life named or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into a eternal fire.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting because in the Old Testament if you were named or crippled you couldn't even go into the temple.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's true, which was God's, you know, room or whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's a chain.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know it's changing things up, but like here's another change.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that was not allowed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's not necessarily saying that you can go into the temple, but you can get into heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That literally makes no sense, though.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck you while you're living, but don't worry about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Cause in death, you'll be fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be great, you know?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And if your eye causes you to stumble, you know, the way your eye always falls down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta catch that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Your eye always be falling out of your head and then you trip away.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it sees those having lip vixins.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's those bitches.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They'll trip you up every time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It is better for you to enter the life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just like how it's like, you're not responsible for
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  [SPEAKER_00]: yourself you know you're not it wasn't my fault it was my I did it my I was looking over there if I really getting you know into the weeds on this it's your brain causing these things to happen so you just stab your brain stab your brain right yeah I mean I mean I didn't know that back and because you know it's science right but that's ultimately where where we're going if we
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you are having trouble some thoughts, you can just stab your brain out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't take that at night.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, don't do that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was me saying that the Bible said that because the Bible is stupid.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And don't do that for Realize, though.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Bible is wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Bible is so wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't chop off your hands either.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't gout your arms.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's lots of better way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There's lots.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But better ways to help yourself these days.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So many better ways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't have to name ourselves.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, he continues in his red ink.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he shouldn't have done it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not a fan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: See that you do not despise one of these little ones.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's saying all of this in front of a kid.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Cut off your hand.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just being metaphorical little child.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Who the fuck despises?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do people despise kids?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose that must exist, but like, I feel like that's gotta be pretty few and far between.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are people that hate kids.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but even them, they're not gonna like, I mean, I, I,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like those that they hate them like in a symbolic way, like in a generic, over-thereish way, like, you know, you know, when you go out to eat and there's kids that are gilling because their parents won't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I hate kids and I wish I wish those people would make their kids, but it's a lot harder to hate one directly to its face, you know, like, I mean, I don't know, like, if you're on an airplane and you're right in front of a little shit that's kicking the city.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I can hate that kid right to a shit, but moreover, I would hate it's mom.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or I said mom, like, I'm being so sexist, it might be it's dad.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's parent that's allowing that to happen.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said mom because generally speaking, dads are trash and they leave moms to do the parenting and then moms tired and she's done and that's why her kids a little shit kick in somebody seat, but still, parenting, get your kids under control, do not let them kick the seat on the airplane better yet, just don't even take your fucking get on the airplane.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's really no reason that kids need to be on airplanes, honestly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, like, why you've got to take your kid on the airplane so bad?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, wife has a opinion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, I'm just being honest.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why do kids need to be on an airplane so bad?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a multitude of reasons they could be visiting family if they could, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You could drive, you could rent a car.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you got to inflict your little ankle biders on everybody else?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not going to quiet them down, if you're going to let them kick seats and stuff, and then you're going to be like, there are some says 80s where we love children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we allow them to run around unattended.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this isn't that society, though.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is not that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the one where you keep your kid in a seat and quiet.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hush, hush, hush, do not let kids be kicking seats.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop it, stop it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just letting wife get this out because she apparently needs some, some of the some words about this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I had some ideas.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you would think I didn't have my own kids or something.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I didn't do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I didn't do with my kids.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Take them on airplanes.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: True.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There you have it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, if we were in a restaurant and my kids started making noise or fuss in, I was like, husband, you need to take this kid out right now and kid husband would take the kid outside until the noise stopped.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We did not inflict our noisy child on other people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: By which I mean, I sent them out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Problem solved.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Problem fucking solved.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we're going to learn about some last sheep.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Still I'm ready.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus still going.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I feel so up aty because Jesus is going so much in this one and is making me irritable.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's giving me your little balsand drum.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just got to shit all over the microphone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: God, what?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: See that you do not despise one of these little ones.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my father in heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Their angels in heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Always see the face of my father in heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, as you say, if they die?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When the kids die, those kids are angels, and they get to see y'all way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: my dad a little confused here generally you know why are we talking about kids dying right and especially like you're still talking in front of this kid like like like is he going am I gonna die guys like listen listen what's what's cool now when I was saying don't let your kids be kicking the seat in front of people I wasn't seeing go murder that child oh my god I don't want the kids dead
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you like this puts across the wrong message, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if every kid, like, can you, like, oh, I just want to say no loud, because like if every kid goes to heaven and it gets to see God's face, then that gives parents or, you know, older people for a bad idea.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It does, it does.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all dogs go to heaven and all kids go to heaven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, like,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: are we supposed to meet that happen?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that the answer is absolutely right, but let's not because I think the dogs and kids should stay here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bad that's it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a soft genocide suggestion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what do you think says Jesus still?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If a man owns a hundred sheep and one of them wonders away, will he not leave the 99 on the hills and go look for the one that wandered off?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Are they pinned up or would you be leaving them to wander away as you were to wait on the one?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I've heard this parable before, and I'm always like, but did you make sure that you like, did you ask somebody, hey, can you come watch these 99 sheep while I go search for the one?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because... Or did you be like, hey, I'm gonna watch these 99 sheep, can you go search out that one that's missing?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: God damn it.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, there's a lot of neurological ways to deal with that.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really understand.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, this gets into the Star Trek, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the fewer the one.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying let one sheep or one child, like fall off a cliff because you, you know, couldn't go for it.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you got to be smart about it, too.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't, like, okay, let's say, let's say, oh, you were in Boy Scouts, right?
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, okay, let's say the, um, your Boy Scout leader took the whole
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: out, you know, camping in the woods and shin, hiking in all over the place, right?
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then one of one of your, one of your Boy Scout friends, pro, no.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is it called when, like, um, fellow Scout members?
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: When they what?
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, your fellow Scout guy.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is he called?
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: a scout.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your fellow scout, my fellow scout, one of your fellow scout people gets lost, right?
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That leader would be irresponsible if he's like, okay, I'm going to go look for the last one and all you kids remain here on a tangent.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, that's not okay.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's why they always take two at least.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we always told the user the buddy system.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was probably like two adults with you, right?
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would think.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, really.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn, you only have one adult?
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no adults sometimes like when we want to do like We were unattended when we did the scout camp.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You were unattended.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah all the time.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is irrefuckance possible Absolutely not you don't leave kids on a tent how will we you?
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean this would have been like late middle school early high school Like middle school middle school ties to early high school.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's old enough to be on your own But I just feel like an adult should be nearby.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there was lots of adults nearby
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's just that there was a large camp like we had places we had to get down the like if you got to an area like you went down to the waterfront there'd be adults at the waterfront right if you went to the lodge there'd be adults at the lodge if you went back to base camp there'd be the adults at the base camp so adults were around they just weren't like specifically at your tent
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I still don't know how I feel, but if one of the kids got lost, they wouldn't just be like, okay, you're on your own.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta go find them.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it would be organized too.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you'd be like, okay, well, we need to, these kids need somebody with them and we need to go find this kid.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's split it up.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I'm not sure what we're getting at here.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, let's go find the last one.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But not to the detriment of the other 99.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's trying to make some sort of a fucking point here, and, you know, whatever.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although I don't know whether or was supposed to chase the one sheep or not.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, he's saying won't you go look for the one that wandered off?
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, continues.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if he finds it truly I tell you he is happier about that one sheep than about the 99 that did not wander off.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so he did chase the one sheep and leave the 99 to whatever devices they might have got into, which to me is dumb.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, listen, listen, this gets into the fucking prodigal sun story that I fucking hate.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I fucking hate it.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're happier with the guy that like wondered, you're happier than the one that was well behaved.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Get the fuck out of here with that.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is such a bad, that is such a bad lesson.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it made me so angry all my life.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is not correct.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, think about it.
• 18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this before.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you and I decided to convert to Christianity, right?
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, we were atheist podcasters.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We would be hailed probably way more than we are as atheist podcasters for switching to Christianity.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, because we're the last sheet where the ones that came back were the ones not that we were over there, but you know, but we would be we would get Acca accolades for switching sides.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're coming back to the whatever the rewards would be great.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, right going into the fold.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and there's some incentive that too, right, because if we were to switch sides and go back to the fold or whatever, then we, we're doing it publicly, we're doing it.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: with other people of knowledge that we weren't that way, understanding that we're going back to this thing, right?
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it has a tendency to grow a group.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: If one person goes, they might bring others with them.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's all right.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why there's such celebration for it in general.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing just irks me, I hate it.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's saying, we're happy you came back, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the same way your father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know why we're talking about kids so much though.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very disconnected idea in my opinion.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a lot of flaws with it.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, I don't like that.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bad analogy because you don't leave kids unattended.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's what I mean.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: She put us on the end.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This whole section is not flowing for me very well.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't be more excited.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, listen, I can understand that your emotions are on high.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because gay, I found the one that was lost.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't mean like you're happier with that one than you were with the 99 that stayed.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: That what it's saying.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I'm saying though, right?
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't, why are you happy you're with the one?
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this had anything to do with the person that was found or whatever, whatever we're alluding to here, right?
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it has to do with your own mental, your own mental take on the situation, right?
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You were able to find that one sheep, that one person, and bring them back to the flock, bring them back to the group, right?
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you have done something miraculous.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You were able to recover somebody or something.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is about...
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're, it's your high that you're having not, not this, but it's you feeling good that you were able to do this accomplish this thing.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is about the personal responsibility of each Christian or whatever follower of Jesus to go out and save somebody and bring them back to.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what we're saying that this is?
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's definitely a take that I'm sure you can get from this.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the 99 we're already there, so that's why it's not very exciting.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what's the incentive to stay then?
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds to me, like, if I really want your love that I should leave and then come back.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that that that went to the idea that most people are naturally it's easier for them to follow.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's easier for the ship.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the children in the board, the metaphor is in far from the reality, you know.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, this is so white tragic.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, he continues, if your brother or sister's sins go and point out their fault, just between the two of you.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if like me and you are hanging out right and you're sinning I should come and tell you hey bro You are sinning okay between me and you you're sinning and that's not cool Okay, if they listen to you, you have won them over.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we went when stop Sinning got it and you're like fine sure.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We both won what happens if I don't
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but if they will not listen, then take one or two others along so that quote, every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for fuck's sake, this is, so now we're doing interventions for for centers.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I should then go get a couple of other people and then we should be like, hey, remember when I told you that you're sending and you're like, yeah, well, now us two or three or four are here to tell you stop sending.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, but still no.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I told you know what makes you think that gaining up on me is going to make me change my mind.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like how about mind your own fucking business?
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's between me and God.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll figure my own shit out.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how you came up to me, not vice versa?
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Get out of my pants.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, right?
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, let's be honest.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what sin always is about your pants.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost always about your pants.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's at our murder.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's more often about your pants than it is about murder.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They care so much about pants.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why do they care about pants so much?
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, listen.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: If that guy, like, if they still refuse to listen, yeah.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tell it to the church.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're gonna help them socially.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're still saying church, this is definitely post Jesus died.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if they refuse to listen, even to the church, treat them as you would have pagan or a tax collector.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wait.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were supposed to accept tax collectors and stuff.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, because Matthew, right?
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not, okay.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Only sometimes, but not in this story.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they stop being a tax collector.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have to stop.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: See you get them.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that center center.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He keeps sinning.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: God, I, this, this chapter is bothering me.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the bossy and gross is it is.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Truly, I tell you continues Jesus.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And whatever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that means.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This whole chapter is a Q&A.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, truly, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything, they ask for, it will be done for them by my father and heaven.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where?
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two of you agree?
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: For where two or three gather in my name, they're am I with them?
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if two or three, if we just decided that we're gathering in Jesus' name and we say that we're church.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is I have heard people so like this there's a lot of like
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: house churches like house group gathering.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you don't like church-ish type things.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where this is coming.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's where that came from.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that's kind of cool.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is cool because like it's like don't forget to concentrate on why we're here, which is to learn about Jesus and not to like worry about the band and
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: sure.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say this too, and especially in this day and age, that idea of two or three people serving as a church and if they're all gathered in Jesus' name, then they will be represented in heaven or whatever the case may be is a little it allows for some
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: different version.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It allows for a lot of different versions of Christianity because you don't have to have consensus.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just have to have two or three people.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No wonder they're so fucking splintered.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't need you.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We said we only need two or three people.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So fuck off.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going home.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And why not?
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we all get to go to heaven.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: All dogs go to heaven.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's at least three of us.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're good.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: This church and that church and those churches.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all the buildings.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those churches with just two people though.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a little bit like we need to get this number.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: We need a third.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: that's so funny.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then Peter came to Jesus.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Simon called Peter.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Carlstein.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who's also Satan?
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rocky.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That guy came to Jesus and asked, Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me?
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Up to seven times?
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I bet that's fair.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: You done.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You done fucked me up seven times.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eight times is out right out.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing the answer is countless.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus answered in red, Inc.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I tell you not seven times, but 77 times.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 77.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a direct pool from the Old Testament, like early on in the Old Testament.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was that guy that, what was it?
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He, there was something about 77.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what one is now.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, yeah, I remember that.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's true.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, we're both.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, continue Jesus.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: The kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: As he, you know, I feel like Jesus is getting like real long-winded and being a blowhard here.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's two in his own horn.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like he's blowing smoke up his own ass.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very like suddenly wordy nonsense.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't like this before.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like it.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: As he began the settlement, a man who owed him 10,000 bags of gold was brought to him.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Since he was not able to pay the master order that he and his wife and his children, and all that he had, be sold to repay the debt.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: At this, the servant fell on his knees before him.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Be patient with me, he begged and I will pee back everything.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was nice.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He grabbed him and began to choke him, pay back what you owe me.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He demanded,
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: his fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him to be patient with me, I will pay it back.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he refused.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had just been forgiven like $10,000 trillion of debt and he couldn't even let $100 go.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But a fuck.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's an asshole.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you should go to heaven.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out though.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he went off and had the mom had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: How many ways money if you're in prison?
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: How?
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: How?
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then the master called a servant and you wicked servant, he said, I canceled all that dead a year because you begged me to shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait a second, servants had servants?
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: In anger, his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured until he should pay back all that he owed.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, never mind, your debt is still on, give me my 10,000, whatever.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is how my Heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the answer in a very roundabout way was, yes, just continue to forgive them no matter what.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I pass it on.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I'm all for, for giving people, I am.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes,
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes it's too much.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, this is what it's supposed to be.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's saying, God is forgiving all of your huge gigantic debts, all of them, right?
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you repent and take me as your Savior and believe all these other things that we haven't got to yet, this is what the Christians will say.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: The deal is, God is forgiving all of your big things, therefore shouldn't
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: the guy that forgives the smaller things which everything on earth is small in comparison sure right and I get I get that is such a beautiful sentiment and I love it but having said that I'm not saying that I have retribution in my heart but what does it mean to forgive and what does it mean to
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what would the actual guide guide might write what is for chemistry?
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are there this is too broad.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I it's just too broad.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's there's no there there are definitely things that I would not forgive and I wouldn't feel bad for not forgiving.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing, like, there's like people who say, like, no, you don't forgive for the person who harmed you.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You forgive so that it's not eating you up alive anymore.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that we're just using that word to Lucy Goosey.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are things that have been done unto me that I'm like dealt with and I put aside.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean that I forgive that person for what they did to me.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not allowing it to like poison my soul anymore.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like having nightmares over it anymore.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not crying over it anymore.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've moved on.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've, you know, gone to counseling at therapy and I've dealt with the things that occurred.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't forgive that person.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I-
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm not going to, and I don't feel bad about it, and I resent being told that I should.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I think that's the dangerous part.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, this is a religion telling people that you always forgive, it's not for you to not for you.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's God's judgment to make.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I'm sorry, but no, no, it's absolutely not.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is my judgment to make.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's my thing that I have to deal with.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can fuck right off with that.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm living as a good person.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not seeking retribution on the person that harmed me.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going after them.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not even thinking about them until this comes up.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, what?
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but whether I forgive them or not, is my choice.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to remain my choice,
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not, that's not anybody else's decision to make.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and I don't see the harm in that.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so far as long as you're doing it in the healthy manner and sure, you know, not letting it bestow inside of you.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, no, what we need is better counseling.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: We need better mental health options.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we live in 2026 where that could be an option and it's not.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we need, not these people saying, just forgive and be forgiven and everything's gravy.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not the way it works.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because conversely, I can forgive somebody and still be hurt by what they did and not heal over it.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know what I mean.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what I don't, that's what I'm not liking about these things.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that?
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: This Jesus thoughts, these ideas of these presenting are very much counts of some black and white ideas that are way too simplistic, way too easy to misconstru, and weaponize and or not weaponize, whatever.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can take any of these ideas and do so many different things with them that it basically is worthless knowledge.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and then we get people that take advantage of it that are like, um, you have to forgive me because, um, so we've got parents that are being abusive to their children and saying to their children, but on your parent, you have to respect me and we are all Christians.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to be a good Christian, you have to forgive me.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, I've just granted myself permission to continue doing whatever nasty deed I'm doing.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's look, I mean, even Trump weaponizes the forgiveness thing.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Trump Trump weaponizes for giving.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And any time that he he fucks up in the eyes of his followers, he starts this big religious like group prayer, having people forgive him.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: The way none of the hands is so fucking messed up.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's right there.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's right here in this book.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can be he can be forgiven a million
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like if God is real, he understands your heart and would know that you're just speaking empty words, but I also feel like if God was real, we wouldn't be in the situation.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, if God was real and believed in signs, I feel like the flaking paint and the algae growth and the reflecting pool is a big sign that God doesn't like Trump.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ghostbusters reference in three two one.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a sign all right sign we're going out of business
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I think do we have anything else or is that it?
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sorry the end that the end the end Okay, that was the end of that chapter.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I didn't like that chapter.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was bullshit and Jesus can go suck his own death.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, whatever whatever I forgetness is good, but like the Dixie chick said, I'm not sure I could You know, I'm not ready to make nice
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still a better sail.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was Matthew chapter 18.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure spoke was.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that next time we back with a Q&A who knows if it's Saturday probably not it won't be but yeah.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like singing it anyway.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right and we will see you next time.