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Who will be champ in the next year? · Boxing B-Sides

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a gem. Come on, guys. This one's lacking. This
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than any Sean Porter podcast. Oh. Saying that
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to Sean Porter, that's like... Yeah, of course.
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I'm sorry. I love Sean Porter. I do, too. Sean
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Porter is no shit. The first... boxer I ever
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met in person. Really? Yeah, Sean Porter. Must
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have been memorable, huh? It was. He was super
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cool. Talked about whatever. He was fun. I even
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asked him about the Cleveland football team.
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Just whatever. He was cool. He was with his wife.
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I didn't know that was his wife at the time.
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But I was like, yeah, sorry to take your dude
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for a few minutes. What point of his career was
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he in? He was no shit about to fight Andre Berto.
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Oh, shit. Okay. Right then. He was like two weeks
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out from fighting. Andre Berto, and he looked
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good. He didn't look drained or anything like
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that. His face wasn't all sulking and sullen.
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It was fine. He looked fine. He looked good.
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That's good. I got a little overexcited first
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handshake. grabbed his arms like god damn god
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damn dog i'm touching his arm yeah like i i just
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i didn't even think about it like i just i yeah
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like we went for the handshake i just grabbed
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i didn't even think about it i just grabbed his
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arm and he and he grabbed my hand sorry you probably
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made his wife jealous a little bit too too eager
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central i went a little bit too far there Yeah,
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I should have. Can I please cut you, Sean Porter?
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It was really cool. He was really gracious. It
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was to date of all the boxers I've met. It was
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the best experience ever. It was Sean Porter.
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Oh, man. We don't have a whole lot in our recaps
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here. There's two cards. We'll get to the smaller
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one first, and that was Tony Harrison picks up
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a dub over who? I think that Dazone was being
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really generous when they were talking up how
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this performance was. I don't know. Josh, you
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watched this one too, right? And you had some
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concerns? Yeah, Harrison... I'm not telling you
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your business, but Harrison should... He's not
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looking... He's never been sturdy, but... Not
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to say that in any way he even looks it anymore.
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Yeah. Some guys should hang him up, but not out
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of any other thing. There's a lot of life to
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live. at 34. That's how old Tony Harrison is?
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He's 34. There's a lot of life to live. He's
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still younger than Uson can pack, man. Come on,
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guy. Yeah, but I mean, the miles on the clock
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there. Hold on. I want to pull up who's at 154
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because I feel like... That was a 160. He's not
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154 anymore. Oh, shit. Okay, my mistake. That,
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even better, like, that does give him some options.
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Yeah, he does have a contention window. It's
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just, like, man, you gotta... It's just really
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steep. The peak, the summit is extremely steep.
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Yeah, like, he's just, like, he's just... He's
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never been all that durable. Still is. And he's
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less durable than he was. Mm -hmm. It's just
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not a good idea for him. He'll get himself a
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few more fights. They'll be fine. They'll be
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whatever. Pick a random guy from France or from
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Ireland. And there you go. You got some Tony
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Harrison opponents. Yeah, I just don't think
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it's in his best interest anymore. He said himself
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that he felt better as a coach than he has as
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a fighter. Yeah, Harrison actually might be a
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good coach. Yeah, from what he says, if nothing
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else, he enjoys it better. And so, like he said,
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a lot of life to live. Yeah, dude. If you want
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to coach, don't let anything stop you. Yeah.
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Moving up. Clarissa Shields versus Lonnie Daniels.
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This was fine. It is what it is, man. Clarissa,
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it was fine. It is what it is. Clarissa needs
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to start fighting men at this point because there's
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no one in her, like, remotely close to her weight
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that can hang with her. I think that's a fair
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point. Like, that's where we're at. Her maybe
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versus Virgil Ortiz? I think the level of...
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contender that she would be fighting is not gonna
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be I think what some what some people would like
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expect I think that they would overestimate Clarissa
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Shields and say like oh she should be fighting
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Terrence Crawford or yeah like no No, we're not
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there. Something fucking ridiculous like that.
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Like, no. Jojo Diaz. Hey, like, Nico Ali. Jojo
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Diaz. You know what? Nico Ali Walsh. Jojo Diaz.
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Regis Progray. Whatever. Guys, guys. Like, guys
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who at least, like, you know what? Like, it's
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a fight. It's a fight. It's all right. It's fun.
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It's not, like. It's not like my younger brother's,
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like, it's not like my younger brother's science
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teacher who's, like, she happens to weigh 175
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pounds and have half a career. She's the best
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at her box fit class. Yeah. Crazy. Well, that's
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what it is in heavyweight. For women? Yeah, dude.
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Like, there ain't really shit going on. I just
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never, I know that. I never would have thought
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of him. Box fit. Boxer size. That's just how
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it is. It's like that lady that Senecia Estrada
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got the fastest knockout record or whatever with.
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She was a no -shit coffee barista. She was a
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no -shit barista. That was her primary job. Yeah,
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like, again, like... No, no like Clarissa's fighting
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who she can Estrada had no excuse because she
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was in a weight class that actually had people
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But my point stands being like holy shit there
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needs to be like He did like I don't know if
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there's anything anything left you gotta try
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and Fight men at this point there's no one for
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you It's either people you already beat at a
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worse weight class or like... Nothing. Give her
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Usyk. She's at heavyweight. You know what Usyk
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can be? Usyk can be a double undisputed champion
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at heavyweight. Men's and women's. Oh my god,
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guys, I got it. I got it. I got it. You kill
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two birds with one stone? Laurenza Coley versus
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Clorsa Stills. That would be a decision. That's
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actually not the worst. That's not the worst.
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It's not terrible. I would put The House on Shields
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just because I hate Okoli that much. Yeah. I
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would probably be against Okoli because I cannot
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be for him winning. No. I feel bad even thinking
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about him winning. We do not need him to perpetuate
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himself. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Jesus. Like,
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start fighting guys. Straight up. She rates.
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She does. This is like a skill for skill situation.
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We're taking the gender. Out of rankings. For
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just like. Suspending disbelief. And now we're
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talking like. Clarissa dude. You could probably
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beat some dudes. You probably could. Yeah. You're
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good enough to do it. And more importantly. There's
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nobody good enough. Yeah. You are like the chosen
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one. You can do this. The chosen one. I believe.
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He's the quote. She's the quote. I fucking believe
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it. I believe she could beat a dude. That would
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bring Lila out of fucking retirement. I would
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prefer that they not waste. How many millions
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was that? Too many. Just pay a guy. Pay a guy
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and actually challenge yourself. They're just
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saying that to bullshit. They're not really going
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to bring her out. Oh, I know. Like, just pay
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a guy. Actually do it. Joey Spencer. I think
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we were talking about him. Like, Joey Spencer
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is bad enough. Wait, who knocked your own sporting?
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Some Ukrainian guy. Okay. Some guy, literally.
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Yeah, Joey Spencer. Well, we'll leave that there.
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Moving up to the top -ranked card, also on July
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26th, I'm going to point out some shit that happened
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on the undercard because I felt it was important.
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Juanma Lopez, the second, gets a stoppage into
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over Jorge Sanchez. Emiliano Vargas KO1 over
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Alejandro Espinoza. That was super quick. I'm
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not sure what else to say about it. Yeah, Emiliano.
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It looked pretty cool. Full counter, boom. Damn,
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that was nice. It looked pretty good, too. I
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mean, it was a pretty standard top -ranked card.
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Like, all the guys who were supposed to win won.
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Yeah, that's true. But, I mean, come on. That
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was a solid enough card, I would say. Not bad.
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Sick knockout for Vargas. Yeah. Like, I didn't
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mind this card. It's just, like, very, like,
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there's not much to say. Everyone looked how
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they always do, which is good. It was weird in
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the Juanma fight where it was, like, The ref
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kind of stopped it for a weird reason. I don't
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know. Just for everyone looking how they're supposed
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to. That was a little bit of a deviation from
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the script, as it were. Yeah, I would say that
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I think Emiliano himself, I think he'll probably
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step up soon. He should. I think maybe within
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the next year. I think he should step up. Because
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that last fight was an eight -rounder, right?
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Was it a 10 -rounder? Eight. Yeah, so I think
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he should be stepping up to a 10 -rounder with
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maybe like a whoever loses the Regis program
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versus Jojo Diaz. Maybe fight the loser of that
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fight. Yeah. So fight Jojo Diaz and then work
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your way up from there. Maybe fight a... What's
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his name? The guy that people fought a couple
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years ago. The Crawford. Spence on your card.
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Right. No, no, no, no. Giovanni. Oh, Giovanni
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Cabrera. That would be a good step up high for
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him. I'd say. I like that. This was. Actually,
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the beginning of the main portion, the last fight
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on the undercard was Rohan Polanco versus Quentin
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Randall. Polanco was fine. I came into this pretty
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high on him. I was expecting something a lot
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better than this. He showed some flaws here.
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If you can negate the power punch, then this
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guy's not really that much of a threat. But what
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are you going to do? Sorry, Rohan. Maybe it was
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just an off night. I think there's also better
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prospects for up -and -coming guys than Rohan.
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But I still think Toppin can still make him a
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solid enough contender, maybe even a champion.
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Yeah, that's how they are. That's the relationship
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they have with WBO. They might be able to work
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him into a belt. That's what I'm saying. I think
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if you're a prospect, the best promotional company
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to work for is obviously Top Rank. Hands down.
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They got that WBO route on lock. I mean, I think
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the majority of the WBO champions are under Top
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Rank. I don't protect you all the way up, dude.
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Exactly. Whatever Bob orders. Whatever Bob orders.
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Whatever Bob orders, yeah. And honestly, like,
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I mean, after like a couple years, you could
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move to another promotional company like PBC,
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even Matchroom, you know? Make yourself a little
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more money. I think Top Ring is needed with the
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promotional companies right now. They're the
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prime prospect promotional company. I think that's
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what they do best. They've always done that very
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well. Building guys up from the ground. Exactly.
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They built guys up to the ground very well. Whereas,
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in my opinion, something like the PBC doesn't
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really do well at all. You know? Well, that was
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the whole Showbox thing back in the day. Well,
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yeah, but I'm saying, like, current PBC right
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now. Yeah, current PBC, yeah. Well, everything's
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in a rough spot because there's no fucking TV
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deals for anyone anymore. Yeah, which is, yeah.
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It's either you go Probox or you go PBC, you
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know? Yeah. Honestly, Probox might go. Also,
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you've seen a shocking amount of guys come out
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being Probox guys and showing that they're actually
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good. Yeah, they deserve the title contention.
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Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I think Top Ring
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is the best for that right now. It also kind
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of used to be a little bit... Kind of like Golden
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Boy used to be a good... prospect builder but
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obviously not not as much anymore i think that
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they were helped when they were financed by what's
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his name um richard schaefer schaffer yeah when
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they were like financed by him and he was basically
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an arm for al hayman yeah so like he was building
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prospects then because he had fight of You had
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the capital to do it. Yeah, exactly. He had the
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money. And now they don't have them anymore.
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They don't have them. Golden Boy, we did. I feel
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like Golden Boy is going to be the first out
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of the major promotional companies in the United
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States to capitulate. They're already basically
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gone. Yeah. Right now, yeah. They're basically
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already, in a sense, kind of done for. They're
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off the map. They're stuck with the zone in Turkey
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until the end. Exactly, yeah. Oscar needs to
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clean Turkey's shoes as much as possible at this
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point. He needs to suck up his pride and do that
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or suck up the jig ball. Because otherwise, his
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promotional company is at its weakest point it's
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ever been. Right now, especially how he has only...
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I think we talked about this earlier with Zurdo.
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as a champion for the males. For the males, you
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have Gabby Fandora, which I love Gabby. Don't
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get me wrong, but at the same time, at the same
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time, unfortunately... That being your only champ
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is not great. Exactly, yeah. No, it would be
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her and Oscar Collazo. Oh, boy. I know that really
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adds a lot to the whole defense, but... But still,
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that's still champion. But at the same time,
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yeah, it's something. But at the same time, it's
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like you can't – no disrespect, but Oscar can't
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sell pay -per -view. Gabby can't sell pay -per
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-view. Giorno can't sell pay -per -view unless
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it's with J -Paul or with Riyad. With anyone
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else. Besides themselves, yeah. Right. We just
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saw Queensbury do their own pay -per -view. Yeah,
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I mean, it was with Usyk and Dubois, but it was
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still – you know, in -house. They'd have to sell
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out to Riyadh. Matchroom, they haven't had a
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pay -per -view in God knows how long. I would
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say, I think last time was with Canelo. You know?
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Matchroom's been fucked for a while, though.
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Like, ever since Blatnovic stopped paying for
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Matchroom USA. Mm -hmm. Yeah, they've been kind
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of cooked for a while. They've been cooked for
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a bit. But they themselves haven't been too pay
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-per -view heavy. Unless it came with Anthony
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Joshua. Yeah. I don't know. Matchroom's tough
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to ascertain because they were bankrolled by
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Blatnovic and now it's Turkey. So they've always
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had just blank checks to throw the piss away.
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The gravy train, yeah. Yeah. And even then before
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Eddie Hearn had Sky Sports, bankrolling is bullshit.
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It's been tough to see how capable they actually
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are of running events. I mean, at the same time,
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even them, I see what you're saying, but they
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still have young talent. They have pretty good
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young talent. It's crazy to say that a British
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promotional company is doing better in the United
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States than a United States promotional company
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like Golden Boy. I mean, come on. Golden Boy
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has what? Pacheco's brother? Yeah. I mean, say
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what you want about Matchroom, you know, we make
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fun of Eddie Hearn all the time, but he's doing
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better than Oscar right now. Oscar is on his
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last legs. Unfortunately. Fortunately, unfortunately,
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because, you know, the story, you know, how Oscar
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is. But, I mean, come on. Yeah. Another, too,
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I think, I think PBC also is kind of, they themselves
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are kind of going on the downturn a little bit,
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too. pvc's always gonna have a home though that's
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the thing like the way the way pvc runs things
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they'll always have a home just because like
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they always they don't they don't they go out
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of their way like the others to burn bridges
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with former uh tv deals no yeah you're honest
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you're out well i don't know we have inside information
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from a guy that was from the pc mr uh mr abs
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but But I'll tell you this, that PBC, they're
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also at their weakest, in my opinion, at one
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of the weaker moments in their history. Because
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right now, they don't have a lot of pay -per
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-view stars. I mean, Benavidez is being sent
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to freaking ring four. Yeah. And then Tank, we
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don't even know what's happening with Tank. And
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then besides them two, they had to pull old man
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Pacquiao out of retirement to sell pay -per -view.
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You know? Which, yeah, they were... Do you guys
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even know the pay -per -view numbers from that
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event? Not yet, probably. I haven't seen anything
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come out. Yeah, I mean, me neither. At max, I
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would say probably $300 ,000, $400 ,000 max.
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Yeah. In my opinion. I don't know. That's still
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pretty good for right now compared to how bad
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Turkey's pay -per -views have been doing. Yeah.
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But Turkey is bankrupt by now. Turkey's been
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doing horrific. by the government, you know.
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But it's still not sustainable. Like, they're
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not, they need to see a return someday. For sure,
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yeah. Like, it's what happened with the previous
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guy giving the blank checks out. Like, the Russian
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oligarchs are the, like, the war started and
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then it's like, okay, we're not making, we're
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literally, like, leaving money here. We're not
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doing this anymore. Yeah. No, yeah. I totally
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see what you're saying. But PBC is a standalone
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promotional company. They lost a lot of their
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pay -per -view stars. They have almost none right
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now. And again, one's fighting in DAZN, one's
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in limbo because he beat his fucking wife and
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potentially maybe his one -year -old child just
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because his toddler couldn't... I guess he was
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gay or whatever. I don't know why Tank did that.
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I don't know why Tank liked that. But that's
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costing the pay -per -view stars a lot of money.
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Yeah. Yeah, you can do the Roach rematch and
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you're just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, then you beat
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your fucking wife. Come on, dude. Fucking sick
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of this shit. Let's keep it rolling here. Bruce
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Carrington, UD over Mateus Hayta. I didn't see
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anything very special from Bruce Carrington that
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makes me think, oh, yeah, you can challenge.
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Stephen Fulton. And that'll be fine. Nah, man.
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Not seeing it. I have the same opinion as I've
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always had of Bruce Carrington. I just think
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he's average. He's a fox, so I still gotta respect
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him. He's fine. Yeah, he's just fine. He's like
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a McDonald's cheeseburger, you know? It's fine.
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It does the job. So, To get to the level that
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he's at, I would say that's 80 % top -ranked
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protection system, 20 % he's actually above average,
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if nothing else. Yeah. I mean, he still fought
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to get where he's at right now. Right. If he
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was completely dog -ass, he would be another
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ham and cheeser, you know? Yeah. So, I don't
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know. I'm not big on Bruce Carrington. He is
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a ring ambassador, surprisingly. What? Yeah,
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he's an ambassador for the ring. Along with Keyshawn
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and Zilla, I think. And out of those guys, Zilla's
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going to be the only one that's going to be a
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champ. Well, no, I still think Keyshawn's very
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good. It's just he's had a very bad PR for a
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couple months. Yeah, you're right. You know?
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So... I mean, yeah, whatever. Either way, Shushu,
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he's just... He's just painfully average, I would
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say. And... I don't know if... Speaking of painfully
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average, question mark, Xander Zayas versus Jorge...
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Oh, they called him Garcia. That's what they
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went by. Painfully average, like... It was just
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like... Xander Zayas had all the answers necessary
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to solve this very textbook problem. I don't
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know if that's calling him hyper -average is
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hyperbolic. No, I don't think... Look, I'll say
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this. I would call Xander Zayas, and I believe
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I said this last time, that I'm not too high
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on Xander Zayas. I wanted Horace to win. so that
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we could get a version fight. But at the end
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of the day, I mean, Xander did show me levels
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that I hadn't seen from him previously. And the
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fact that he's only 22 years old, he has a lot
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of time to grow. You know, even Keyshawn, even
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before he turned, when he gave the weed, he became
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kind of mythical. You know, but before then,
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he kind of looked a little, yeah. So there is
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room for growth, no doubt about it. But I believe
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Xander, he does need some, he does need some
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work. But he did, in my opinion, have a good
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performance. Yeah, he had a good night. He just
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doesn't have the ceiling that some of the fellas
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at the apex of 154 do. He's totally not going
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to match up with Virgil well. That doesn't mean
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he's bad at all. Madrimov, etc. Well, I mean,
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again, he's still young. You can't say he has
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a high ceiling yet. Again, I agree with what
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you're saying, but we don't know. how high he
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can get, you know? We don't know what his limit
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is. He's a world champion now. Yeah, and I will
28:57
say that with Brian Norman Jr., everybody was
28:59
calling him, same thing, painfully average. You
29:02
know, he's not worth a shit. He became champion,
29:05
got potentially a knockout of the year. People
29:08
are raving about him right now. So, what does
29:10
that tell you? It just takes a bit of time. Yep.
29:16
Yep, you're right. Anything more for the top
29:21
-ranked card at the Madison Square Garden Theater?
29:28
All right. Well, then, let me do this. Oh, fuck.
29:36
We are heading into a weekend with... We have
29:40
nothing. Nothing. We have nothing. On the fucking
29:46
docket. So... We're going to do... Hold on, real
29:51
quick. How much time do we have right now? God,
29:55
it's a lovely segment. Lovely segment when we
29:59
start with that. What time are we at? 38. 38?
30:05
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that could be cut out. That's
30:07
only for the patrons. Yeah, of course. That's
30:10
a little half the day of editing. Who will be
30:14
a champion within one year? This is a fucking
30:19
loaded -ass question, I feel. I got some picks.
30:27
All right. So we're going to work our way up.
30:30
So I got to pull up the rankings for every weight
30:35
class? You probably will. Yeah, I might need
30:38
to use the Dritterbox trick. Yeah, I'm using
30:42
Boxerick. Fuck this. How the situation works
30:45
is who's going to be champion within one year?
30:48
The question is, will the current champion or
30:54
the best in the division, will they still be
30:57
the best of the division? Are we starting with
31:01
minimum weight? We are. Oh, my God. If the current
31:06
best guy is going to remain the best guy, then...
31:13
It goes as simple as that. So like minimum weight,
31:19
if you're either going with Oscar Collazo or
31:23
you're thinking CP Freshmart. Yeah, I was about
31:27
to say, where's the Huckout CP Freshmart? He's
31:30
got a rebound. My gold. It's the only play I
31:36
know of minimum weight. Yeah, that's pretty much
31:39
all there is to minimum weight. Koyazo might
31:43
just stay champion. That's it. Knockout CP Freshmart
31:48
is going to regain his title and reign for many
31:53
more years. Someone's got to do it. Someone's
31:56
got to ride for the opposite side. We've got
32:00
to ride for Knockout CP Freshmart. I'm saying
32:02
we should probably do the same thing. We should
32:05
pay Ty Boxer to be called Lux Media or something.
32:12
Oh, sponsor one of them. Yeah, we sponsor one
32:16
of them. That way we get a world champion named
32:21
Lux Media. Yeah, in a fight with CP Freshmark.
32:26
Yes. Light Flyweight. I don't know who anybody
32:32
is here, so I got nothing. That's 112, right?
32:39
108. 108? Carlos Canizales, I believe, is fighting
32:47
somebody. What is it? Which weight class are
32:53
we at again? 108. Still minimum? Light fly, okay.
32:59
Can I still, can I knock out CP Freshmart as
33:03
my pick still? Honestly, yes. You really can.
33:07
Let's go! I'm gonna ride that train too. All
33:09
right, cool. Moving up to flyweight. Francisco
33:19
Rodriguez. Kenshiro Taraji. I think Taraji keeps
33:24
it for the next year. Yeah, I think he keeps
33:26
it for the next year. All right. For the next
33:29
year? How about that? Super flyweight. Bam or
33:36
Puma. That's pretty much what you're... What's
33:38
your pick in here? Well, Bam, obviously. Well,
33:44
I don't think Bam. I think Bam moves up. I think
33:47
he beats Puma and takes one more fight, and that'll
33:51
be the next year. Yeah, it's going to be Bam
33:53
unless he moves up, basically. The thing with
33:58
Bam is that, and I think this is a pretty good
34:00
timeline, is that once Bam fights Puma, from
34:04
what he said, he wants to fight for Undisputed.
34:06
So that gives you about a four -month interval
34:09
until his next fight from November. Normally,
34:13
I'd believe in Ioka usually, but he's old and
34:18
kind of lost. We'll see. But, you know, Garcia,
34:25
he's got the type. I've never seen the guy fight,
34:27
really. But that's the fight that Vampire will
34:31
take next year and become a disputed. And I know
34:34
that... In a way, Nakatani are fighting next
34:37
year as well. If everything goes to plan. I think
34:40
sometime in, I believe, May, right? Next May?
34:44
I think so. Yeah, so by the time they fight,
34:49
you could probably potentially get a Bam Nakatani
34:52
fight end of next year, early 2027. Yeah. That's
35:00
my prediction. Moving up. To ban some weight.
35:08
Looking at... Within one year, is Junto still
35:13
going to be here? No, but also, like, out of
35:17
everyone here, no one's beaten him. Yeah, for
35:19
sure. So, like, it really... Not even in their
35:22
fucking dreams, they're not beating Nakatani.
35:25
So, we're going to take Nakatani out the picture
35:27
here, and it's what Yoshihita Kei... Say Yasutsumi,
35:35
if you want to throw Takuma Inoue back into the
35:39
mix. And then David Cuellar or Estrada, if you
35:44
want to throw... Estrada is ancient. I have faith
35:48
in Cuellar, actually. Cuellar is, I think, better
35:53
than people give him credit for. Yeah, like,
35:56
yeah, he got iced by Nakatani, but also... That's
35:59
Nakatani. Like, what the fuck? Wow, wow. Again,
36:04
not even in his dreams. So, case in point. Between
36:12
Takei and Tsutsumi, for them to unify, like,
36:17
oh, shit, well, Tsutsumi was the WBA titleist
36:20
that lost his shit. All weirdly. But Takei versus
36:32
Tsumi. Brawler versus the boxer puncher. What
36:40
are you thinking? What are we thinking? What
36:44
are you thinking between a brawler and a boxer
36:47
puncher? I'll tell you. I think there's a kind
36:53
of... Easy answer, but also a very hard answer.
36:57
I think, in my opinion, a box puncher beats a
37:00
brawler if they have more power. You know what
37:07
I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's just like the two
37:10
styles that I was looking at. Who would beat
37:12
the guy at 118? Right now, that's what it comes
37:18
down to for me. It's Tommy Hearns versus Roberto
37:22
Duran. Oh, shit. Let's keep it rolling. 122.
37:35
Is it anybody other than Inouye? No. Unless Inouye,
37:42
like, tears ACL in the ring. Unless, yeah, it
37:45
gets, like, MJ or something. Like, MJ again?
37:51
Or no, not MJ. I thought just my head went to
37:56
Marlon Topolos. No, no, no. Maybe MJ, but that's
38:03
only... I don't know. Yeah, it's probably going
38:08
to be Inouye. Yeah, Inouye's going to keep it.
38:11
Nobody is like two, three fights away and they're
38:15
going to beat him or some shit. okay featherweight
38:20
126 we got uh this is just on box rec you know
38:24
so beloved listener take it with a grain of salt
38:27
at the very top we have rafael espinoza nick
38:31
ball steven fulton luis netty brandon figueroa
38:35
and that's the top five is anybody gonna not
38:38
that's gonna stay espinoza yeah yeah for sure
38:41
like nick ball espinoza is gonna be hilarious
38:45
that'll be comical Straight jokes. Straight jokes.
38:50
But, yeah, it'll be fun. I think it'll play out
38:53
similar to Fundora versus Tim Zhu, to be honest
38:56
with you. I actually got a – I would think, honestly,
39:01
in a way, probably be the new champion. At 26?
39:05
Yeah. Yeah, actually, you're right. You're right.
39:07
You're right. When he moves up. That's who I
39:10
think will probably be the new champion. I think
39:13
he'll kind of just stay the same. So Espinoza
39:15
is going to be the guy that greets Inouye. What
39:19
about if we take Espinoza out of it? Nick Ball.
39:23
Do you think Nick Ball keeps the top seed? I
39:26
don't believe. I don't think so. Call me a hater.
39:31
Call me a hater. I can't fucking stand Nick Ball.
39:34
Fulton beats Nick Ball. Fulton knows. Are you
39:38
guys saying that Inouye will fight Nick Ball
39:39
or Nick Ball will win? Who is going to be the
39:42
next top guy? When Inoue moves up. If it's not
39:46
Espinosa. Fulton's going up. Fulton's going to
39:50
go up. Fulton again? No, no. Fulton's going up
39:53
to 130. I'll talk about it right now. Oh, that's
39:56
right. You're right. He's going up. You know
39:59
what? After Nakatani beats Inoue, he's going
40:03
to come beat up 126. I highly disagree. That's
40:08
right. Stephen Fulton is moving up. So then it's
40:15
Nick Ball, Luis Neri, Brandon Figueroa, Angelo
40:18
Leo, and then Bruce Carrington to make it a number
40:22
five. I would say probably if you bring Espinosa
40:28
in... Espinosa wastes all of these dudes. Well,
40:34
yeah, but... Bring Espinosa in, that would be
40:38
a lot harder, but we can take Espinosa out. It's
40:40
taking Espinosa out. Stephen Fulton's leaving
40:43
the division. I mean, probably maybe even Shushu.
40:55
I'm not his biggest fan, but at the same time,
40:57
if he fights for the vacant belt, he might just
41:01
fight. He could make himself the top dude. Yeah,
41:05
exactly. So, you never know. I think the new
41:09
champion is going to be for whoever gets that
41:11
bacon belt. Super featherweight. 130. Yeah, 130.
41:20
The guy at the top is Emanuel Navarrete. It's
41:26
not going to stay Navarrete. His going down box
41:30
rec, 2345. Kakachi, Oshaki Foster, Ray Ford,
41:35
and Eduardo Nunez. Ray Ford, for sure. I think
41:43
Ray Ford gets the title. I think Foster can beat
41:46
Nav and Ray Ford. Well, I think if Fulton goes
41:50
up, I think he beats Foster. Oh, true. I would
41:54
also rate Fulton to beat Nav, Kakachi, Ray Ford.
42:01
Pretty much everyone. I glaze Stephen Fulton
42:05
unapologetically. Yeah, I understand. I think
42:10
Stephen Fulton does take it. I think he does
42:13
beat Shaggy Foster. I think Stephen Fulton's
42:16
a little more dynamic than Shaggy Foster. Does
42:19
he beat Nav? Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Nav is
42:23
just... You know what? What we say about Barrios...
42:28
Is what Nav is. Nav is worse. Yes. You're absolutely
42:32
right. Nav is the worst champion. Oh, yeah. I
42:34
think... Yeah, you know what? I think I will
42:36
say that. That Nav is the worst champion in...
42:39
Oh, shit. You're probably right. Fuck. For one
42:46
up and lost to a Keyshawn... Lost to Keyshawn's
42:49
dude. With a top ring protection program. Calvin
42:55
Davis? No, no, Keyshawn. Oh, shit. I thought
43:01
you were... Baranchik. Baranchik beat... That's
43:04
right. Navarrete. Navarrete. But yeah, you know,
43:10
I take back what I said. Maybe Navarrete might
43:12
be one of the first to lose. You never know.
43:17
Yeah. All right, let's keep going. 135. This
43:26
is interesting. 135 is constantly in motion.
43:29
I think it will honestly be between Andy Cruz
43:32
and Keyshawn when it all sorts itself out. I
43:38
disagree with you. Mainly because if Tank retires
43:43
within the next year, which I feel like is...
43:44
Tank's basically not in the picture, though,
43:48
for 135. Like, realistically. You can hate me
43:52
for saying this. Lloyd Schofield is rated very
43:55
highly in the WBA. I think, honestly, if Tank...
44:00
Yeah, but do either of them beat... Let's go.
44:03
Do either of them beat Keyshawn or Andy Cruz?
44:07
Keyshawn's going up to 140. And Andy Cruz is
44:09
probably going to be fighting Murataya. That's
44:15
kind of where it stands right now. Whereas the
44:17
WBA is kind of... It's kind of held by Gervonta
44:22
for so long. That I think that when he's gone,
44:26
it's kind of like a power vacuum, you know? That
44:29
probably Floyd can pick up, you know? That's
44:36
how I see it. That's how I see it, though. I
44:39
don't know if you guys agree, disagree. I'm inclined
44:45
to agree with you. Okay. Let's keep... Rolling.
44:55
140. 140. Right now, BoxRed has Teofimo, Subreal
45:04
Matias, Andy Hiraoka, Richardson Hitchens, and
45:08
Adam. Oh, Jesus. You know what? Wait. We just
45:16
fought and lost to Matias, but... I'm not gonna
45:21
lie. I don't, yeah, it could be Antoine. I believe
45:26
in Matias more than anyone. Just because, like,
45:31
Lopez is probably moving up to 147, and Matias
45:35
kind of runs over everyone else. Well, no, I
45:39
disagree with that. I highly disagree with that,
45:42
actually. Yes, I understand he's a fun fighter,
45:44
but to think that Matias beats Richard Hitchens,
45:47
I don't know about that. I think Hitchens out
45:50
-jabs. He's outboxed the hell out of Matias.
45:53
We can expect that fight soon, can't we? Does
45:57
Hitchens gas hold up? Well, I don't know. We'll
46:06
see what happens with Donald Smith and Matias
46:08
because that's probably the next likely fight.
46:09
They literally told him, no, no, no, you're fine,
46:12
Donald Smith. You can't do shit about it. I mean,
46:16
we all want the Gary Antoine -Russell -Matias
46:17
fight, right? That's the fight we all want. Of
46:20
course. But that's not going to happen, most
46:22
likely. I don't think. Unless, like, Turkey just
46:26
wakes up one day and says, you know what? Fuck
46:29
you, Eddie Hearn. Let's go with PBC. You know?
46:33
But that's, you know, Eddie Hearn's a little
46:35
s***, though. I'm sorry, that was too far. That
46:40
was too far. That's fine. I'll bleep it. Yeah,
46:43
you can bleep it. Alright, moving up to Welterweight.
46:51
Jerron Ennis has already moved up. So the top
46:54
five. Oh, fuck. You know what? Fuck this. Roley.
47:02
Roley's the best. No. No. Brian, no. I don't
47:07
want to admit. I'm going to have to say Roley.
47:10
Who else? Who else? And I'll tell you why. Brian
47:13
Norman Jr. What? The guy who priced himself out
47:17
of Boots? No. Yeah. He beats Roley. That boy
47:22
beats Roley. Yeah, that boy beats Roley. Brian
47:24
Norman, like, yeah, I'm not doing that in good
47:26
conscience because he literally priced himself
47:28
out of boots. Just because he priced himself
47:30
out of... That's fucking boots, Dennis, dude.
47:33
Yeah, so fight and lose the boots then. That's
47:37
a lamp to the slaughter, okay? Fight and lose
47:40
the boots then. Okay, let me ask you this. You
47:42
think Brian Norman Jr. is a better boxer than
47:45
Rolando Romero? No. I mean, yes, yes, actually.
47:48
I think he's better. But you know what? Roley
47:50
isn't a bitch, though. Roley will look like shit.
47:56
He'll make his funny fucking Eric Carvin noises.
47:58
He'll get knocked out, and then he'll be back.
48:02
It's not all. You're only giving me triple my
48:05
career high to fight boots. None of that. But
48:09
you know what? Brian Norman Jr. is the king of
48:10
the division, no doubt about it. Come on. Yeah,
48:13
only because I can't. Who else is there? I can't
48:18
support Haney. Well, I'm going to tell you right
48:22
now that as much as I... This is very controversial,
48:25
too. I've voiced this opinion many times in the
48:28
server. I feel like they're going to do some
48:32
fighters dirty this year. I got a feeling that
48:34
they're going to have Ryan... What? You're telling
48:37
me this sport is corrupt? I can't believe you're
48:42
implying this. No way. No way. No way. I'm thinking
48:48
what's going to happen is Devin Haney, yeah,
48:52
twice. And I'll tell you who it's going to be.
48:54
Devin Haney, they're going to get Devin Haney
48:56
to get the title from Norman. Because Devin Haney,
48:58
if Norman doesn't knock out Devin Haney, I feel
49:00
like Devin Haney's probably going to take that
49:01
title. I have to say, Norman can punch too well.
49:05
Yeah, yeah. I think... It ain't happening. I
49:09
think Norman knocks him out, but if he doesn't
49:11
knock him out, they're going to give it to Haney
49:12
for sure. And then once they do that, with Ryan
49:17
and Roley, I got a feeling, and you can hate
49:20
me for this. You can hate me for this, okay?
49:22
I understand. But they might just drop Roley
49:27
if they do that rematch in Riyadh. I think Roley
49:30
just fucking sucks. So if Ryan shows up and actually
49:34
boxes and isn't the... I don't think you need
49:38
the job, Broly. He's terrible. But yeah, exactly.
49:42
But the thing is, if Ryan looks better than a
49:46
corpse, you know, he might just take that title.
49:51
Then they do a unification bout between Ryan
49:54
and Haney at Welterweight. I think that's what
49:56
they're trying to do. I got a feeling. Because
49:59
how the hell does Devin Haney... Why is Devin
50:01
Haney doing a title fight with Brian Norman Jr.?
50:04
You could have fought Mario Barrios. You could
50:08
have fought Rowley. You could have fought...
50:11
You know what? Good for Haney, at least. Brian
50:16
Norman is the... I got to give it to Haney. Yeah,
50:19
you're right. He's the hardest... Yeah, I'll
50:21
give it to Haney. The hardest competition in
50:23
that division, so I got to give it to him. It's
50:25
very tough. I think he's going to pull out. I
50:28
think he's going to pull out. I think it's going
50:30
to be hilarious to see how bad Haney gets beaten,
50:34
but fine. Well... I just think that it's either
50:38
Haney pulls out or these are the three options.
50:41
Okay, Haney pulls out, Ryan Norman Jr. knocks
50:44
him out, or Haney takes the decision. Those are
50:50
the three options. I don't know. I don't like
50:54
this whole Riyadh shit with putting Haney as
50:59
the challenger against Norman. I think there's
51:03
other people that you could have put against
51:04
Norman. No? It would have been better. All right.
51:13
154. Is it even tougher, dude? This is the last
51:17
division that we're going to do for this round.
51:19
We'll have to pick up the second half another
51:22
time. Virgil. So, on BoxRec, number one is Terrence
51:30
Crawford. Crawford's getting beaten in retirement.
51:33
He's not valid. And I disagree with you, but
51:37
we'll get to that another time. Number two is
51:39
Ortiz. Three is Mortazaglia. Four is Zayas. Five
51:43
is Fandora. Six, Bohachuk. Seven, Madrimov. That's
51:49
about... Those are all relevant to the conversation.
51:56
Well, I think Virgil Ortiz, he has a good chance
52:02
of becoming champion. The realist... tile shot.
52:07
It's going to end up being between Virgil, Bokrum,
52:10
and Fundora. Like, Zayas is more or less a non
52:13
-factor because all three of those guys kind
52:16
of beat his ass bad and it's no... Like, again,
52:19
no hate to Zayas. There's just three really,
52:23
really good champs. Like, really, really good
52:26
guys in this weight class. Who all happen to
52:29
be you. I would not want to be put with those
52:33
guys because... Zayas would get done bad. They're
52:37
all offensive menaces, which is the problem.
52:44
There's no guys where you can say you gave it
52:48
a go when you lost the decision or whatever.
52:50
These are three guys who will just beat you.
52:54
I mean, Zayas, I'll tell you this, Zayas, you
52:56
could fight someone like a Majima. You could
52:58
fight someone like a... Yeah, but I'm saying
53:02
for like a... Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him.
53:08
Yeah. I think Bohachuk beats him pretty soundly.
53:10
Madrimov also gives him a decent run for his
53:12
money. But it would be a good test for him. Yeah.
53:16
But even if Bohachuk beats Zayas to get himself
53:19
into the top whatever, just because he's a bellholder,
53:24
I don't see Bohachuk making it very far beyond
53:29
that. Yeah, no. Bohachuk, he's a good gatekeeper.
53:34
Yes, yes. He's a guy for younger fighters to
53:38
fight to see how good they are. Yeah, good test,
53:41
yeah. Which, I mean, we need those type of guys
53:44
in the sport. There's two of them. Bohachuk is
53:47
like the brawler test, and Madrimov is the boxer
53:51
test. Well, to an extent. Yeah, but they're on
53:58
those particular spectrums. I don't have a good
54:05
pick for who will become champion, but I got
54:08
a good pick for who will lose their title. And
54:11
it's not Pandora and it's not Zayas. I think
54:13
it's going to be Murda Zayas. Loser of their
54:16
title this year. To who? I think he might just
54:21
lose to Erickson Lubin. Interesting. And honestly,
54:26
I feel like that's for Virgil. I think that's
54:28
the direct. That's the direct. path for title
54:33
shot is going to be more dialogue because but
54:36
nor is fighting spence for some fucking reason
54:39
i don't know why spence is even the conversation
54:41
still confirmed like i've seen that as a rumor
54:44
for a long time i think it's but they're fighting
54:47
in october oh shit i don't know why they're letting
54:52
that happen i don't know why either that's not
54:54
a good fight to make yeah so again if there's
54:58
another person that i think might become champion
55:02
If, for some reason, Spence pulls it off, then
55:04
I guess Spence, but that's a disgusting fight.
55:06
I don't want to see. Yeah, I don't want to consider
55:09
that as an option. Especially with a Pandora
55:13
that uses a jab. That might just be scary. Yeah,
55:17
he's just going to piston fucking Errol Spence
55:20
to death. I mean, yeah, I don't know what's going
55:25
to happen with that fight, but I'll tell you
55:27
this, it doesn't end good for Spence. That's
55:30
probably the worst person you could put him with
55:31
in that division. Especially for your first comeback
55:35
fight in how many years? Two years? Two and a
55:38
half? Come on, that's ridiculous. Yeah, about
55:45
two years. On the nose, almost. A little over
55:51
two years, yeah. He last fought in July of 2023.
55:55
He's fighting in October this year. No tune -ups
55:59
for Spence? I know he's always been about no
56:01
tune -ups, but come on. There's a tune -up you
56:03
need to order now. Especially with how long he's
56:06
been out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the way
56:09
he got knocked out last time? Jesus Christ. To
56:13
fight Sebastian Fundora, that's fucking ridiculous.
56:16
That was like... Terrence Crawford tried to snipe
56:19
Mikey Garcia when Mikey Garcia had been out for
56:22
like two years. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'll
56:26
fight you on your get back. Dude, you just want
56:30
to beat an undefeated fighter. A very solid,
56:36
like, all -time in his own right type of fighter.
56:40
Like, what the fuck? It's also kind of, like,
56:45
ridiculous how they do this. If they do do it,
56:47
if I could put Spence with Pandora, I mean, come
56:51
on. It's the same thing with Pacquiao and Mario
56:54
Barrios. Why have Spence skipped the line? I
57:00
guarantee you that there's going to be some fuckery
57:03
with those decisions, dude. Because Spence was
57:06
an old pay -per -view star and he still might
57:08
sell a little bit of pay -per -view. Enough to
57:12
where PBC might just want to have some fuckery
57:15
go on with those cards. How much of fuckery...
57:20
Do you think there was for the Barrios and Pacquiao
57:26
cards? Again, like we talked about this last
57:31
time, I think there was a good amount of fuckery
57:34
going on with those cards. I just wanted to reaffirm
57:39
it. I feel like they could screw over Pandora
57:44
if they wanted to. Because again, Pandora, as
57:48
much as... Well, yeah, because, I mean, I don't
57:52
know, dude. Like, Benz, even though he hasn't
57:57
fought in a while, he's still kind of a name,
57:58
you know? He should be. I still think he could
58:02
sell pay -per -view. I mean, he's beloved by
58:04
many in Texas, right? That's a Texas boy right
58:07
there. For sure. But I don't know, you know?
58:14
It really depends, because the PBC, they pick
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and choose when they want to rob certain fighters.
58:20
Guaranteed. Guaranteed. If Spence put up a decent
58:24
performance against Crawford and went to decision,
58:26
they probably would have robbed Terrence Crawford.
58:29
Guaranteed. But that didn't happen, of course.
58:34
Fortunate that Terrence Crawford didn't leave
58:36
it up to the fucking judges. Oh, yeah. Unfortunate
58:41
it happened the way it did. Unfortunate for me,
58:44
because I was on fucking Team Spence. Oh, yeah.
58:50
You could check the records in Discord. I always
58:56
participate. I was mad team spent. I've been
59:00
a Crawford hater day one pretty much. Damn, dude.
59:03
I could tell. I could tell. So, yeah, you can
59:07
check in the Hall of Fame on Discord, and you
59:10
can see. You can scroll up, and you'll see who
59:15
was on team what. Josh, how are you going to
59:18
feel when Crawford beats Canelo? It's not happening.
59:24
Oh, my God. I think I'm pivoting the Canelo hating
59:28
full -time. If Canelo fucking chokes this fight.
59:34
So this time around, you'll actually be rooting
59:35
for Canelo? Yeah. That's crazy. Why do you hate
59:41
Crawford so much? I'm curious. What's the little
59:44
reason behind that? I just don't. Listen, I was
59:47
somewhat alright with Crawford and then he re
59:51
-signed with Top Rank. That Top Rank extension
59:55
to fight fucking Amir Khan and Kell Brook while
59:58
complaining about getting criticized for his
1:00:02
opposition was like, what are you doing? An extension
1:00:07
with Top Rank after alleging them of racism against
1:00:10
you? extension was like that extension room for
1:00:16
me like dude i was like like yeah yeah okay okay
1:00:19
okay his 140 his fucking nikki mouse 140 run
1:00:24
whatever right you can only fight the champions
1:00:26
of your time whatever yeah you show up to welterweight
1:00:29
you fight jeff horn and you fight jose benavidez
1:00:32
jr both of them fucking suck whatever okay what
1:00:36
do you do next your contract's up You're alleging
1:00:39
that Top Rank is racist towards you. All of Welterweight
1:00:42
is at PBC. I'm going to sign an extension with
1:00:45
Top Rank and fight fucking Mean Machine and Kell
1:00:47
Brook. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. And continue to
1:00:52
complain the whole time and then only fight Errol
1:00:56
Spence after he's been in a fucking car accident
1:00:58
and destroyed his eyeballs. Yeah. Well, let him
1:01:05
cook. Let him fucking cook. Like, imagine the
1:01:09
fucking Errol Spence fight happening in 2019.
1:01:13
You know what? That's a different Errol Spence.
1:01:16
That's a different Errol Spence. And you know
1:01:18
what? Crawford can still most likely pull it
1:01:21
out. But it's not like Crawford's still like,
1:01:26
no one gives you respect. Yeah, because you fought
1:01:28
one guy your entire career. Yeah, yeah. Like
1:01:37
Gamboa, okay. His first real fight was against
1:01:42
Gamboa. Obviously probably his best win. Which
1:01:47
like, okay. That's still like his best win. Because
1:01:50
like Sean Porter came out of retirement to fight
1:01:53
him. And was up before the 10th round. Alright.
1:02:03
We're gonna... Errol Spence. Errol Spence. You
1:02:06
can argue he's lost, but whatever. Whatever.
1:02:09
Second good win. Madrimov. Like, Madrimov ages
1:02:13
worse as we speak. I mean... And then, like...
1:02:20
I would say, hey, Spence, you got into a car
1:02:25
accident and you beat Ugas, so... I mean, come
1:02:29
on. The same Ugas who got his ass beat by Barrios?
1:02:33
Please. Yeah. Please. And, like, a Danny Garcia
1:02:38
who clocked in the work and clocked out? Like,
1:02:41
I'd do it a fucking line cook to shift. Okay.
1:02:46
Like, I can't get behind Crawford just because,
1:02:49
like, the talent is obviously there. Why the
1:02:52
fuck did you extend with top rank? Imagine if
1:02:56
you didn't go to PBC. You wasted four years doing
1:03:00
nothing. With the PBC, that would have been a
1:03:03
legendary move. Yeah, because you take down Spence,
1:03:07
you take down a better order, you probably take
1:03:10
down Thurman, Pat, like, again, you just run
1:03:13
through the division if you're actually that
1:03:14
good. Yeah. Because they had all the guys. They
1:03:20
had all the fights. All the fights. And he chose
1:03:23
to re -sign with fucking Top Rank. Yeah. God,
1:03:28
that shit makes me so fucking upset. And that's
1:03:31
why I can never be behind Crawford, because literally,
1:03:35
like, just that extension with Top Rank, who,
1:03:38
when the extension happened, again, he was alleging
1:03:41
that they were discriminating against him. Isn't
1:03:45
it 2018, right? Yeah. This shit was already happening.
1:03:49
He still signs the extension and fucks up the
1:03:52
entire division. Like, the division is, like...
1:03:55
Literally still in hell because you didn't fight
1:04:00
anyone when they were in their primes. You fucked
1:04:03
the division up and then left. And now, like,
1:04:06
and you've denied Boots, who was the rightful
1:04:09
challenger to the titles, a chance. So now the
1:04:13
whole, like, you're stuck with fucking Devin
1:04:15
Haney, Roley, Brian Norman as champs. Yeah, I
1:04:20
mean, I see what you're saying. You ruined an
1:04:24
entire Glamour division for no reason other than
1:04:28
Bob Arum jingled some keys in front of your fucking
1:04:32
face. I will say that probably at the time when
1:04:36
you re -signed, was this before or after Manny
1:04:39
Pacquiao fought Jeff Horn? This was after, because
1:04:43
he beat Jeff Horn for the title. Yeah. Yeah,
1:04:47
so... So Pacquiao had jumped ship. Oh, yeah.
1:04:52
So, yeah, Pacquiao went to BBC, too. Yeah, that's
1:04:55
what I mean. He could have had Pacquiao, Prime
1:04:58
Porter, Prime Spence, Boots, Thurman, Danny and
1:05:04
Mikey Garcia. That's seven guys who were all,
1:05:07
like, top ten at that time. I would have been
1:05:11
a pay -per -view star at that point. Yeah. And
1:05:14
then he would have been able to move up to the
1:05:16
current strong 154. And instead of fighting Madrimov
1:05:21
for an interim title or whatever, he would have
1:05:23
moved up straight to fight a guy like Fundora.
1:05:26
Charlo. Charlo. Like, that's what I mean. Tim
1:05:31
Zhu. At the time of 154 in 2022. And by that
1:05:38
point, we're here. We're here now at that point
1:05:41
with like the 8 to 10 fights. So he's fighting
1:05:45
Virgil, he's fighting Canelo, except now he's
1:05:47
probably the A -side against Canelo. No, I think
1:05:51
Canelo's still the A -side. That's a big step
1:05:55
to take there. Yeah. Think of the stardom of
1:06:00
Canelo spends those years going on a Euro tour
1:06:04
with DAZN. Basically, his profile starts getting
1:06:10
smaller and smaller going on that Euro Tour at
1:06:12
168 and he's fighting Berlangas and stuff after
1:06:15
plans. Compare the Crawford in this timeline
1:06:19
who has been on pay -per -view for the past five
1:06:22
years beating all the next biggest stars in the
1:06:25
sport. Back to back to back to back. Am I wrong?
1:06:31
It's like, we still get the Canelo fight at 168,
1:06:34
but Crawford is, like, this is a super fight
1:06:36
instead of a... How the fuck is he doing this?
1:06:40
Fight. Yeah, but it's like... No, but I'm saying
1:06:47
in terms of, like, a super, super fight in terms
1:06:50
of earnings potential and eyes on it. And Crawford,
1:06:53
instead of, like... This guy's, instead of you
1:06:56
look at it and you're like, this guy's best win
1:06:58
is still probably Yuryokis Gamboa. And he's fighting
1:07:03
Canelo while Canelo continues to hold up an entire
1:07:06
weight class. I see what you're saying. Like,
1:07:11
two weight classes are being held up for this
1:07:14
fight. Well, at this point, it's kind of mainly
1:07:18
one, just because of Canelo. Canelo's been holding
1:07:20
the division positive for years. Like, 154 is
1:07:26
also, like, his guys, like, again, Crawford has
1:07:29
just attained enough of a profile for it to,
1:07:32
like, he's a meal ticket for some of the guys.
1:07:35
Yeah, for sure. But that's just, like, if he
1:07:41
doesn't sign the extension with top rank, a lot
1:07:43
of things are a lot better. Yeah, no, you're
1:07:47
right. Like, odds are Showtime's probably still
1:07:51
in boxing. But the amount of pay -per -views
1:07:54
you do at welterweight. So you're saying that
1:07:57
Crawford killed boxing, huh? Crawford allowed
1:08:00
the Saudi invasion. What are you saying? He's
1:08:03
the catalyst. Yes, you know what? That extension
1:08:06
with top rank ruined like three fucking weight
1:08:09
classes. I'm sure there's a separate for this
1:08:12
where you could do like the follow -on results
1:08:15
of... What? Fuck, man. This shit kills me. Literally,
1:08:21
you can point at that extension and how many
1:08:24
things went wrong since the extension. You're
1:08:28
kind of right. Three weight classes. I do not
1:08:32
disagree. I can't disagree. That was pretty good.
1:08:38
That was very well laid out. Alright, let me...
1:08:48
There, I've changed the outline. Yeah, so we
1:08:51
finished up with what was 154, like who will
1:08:57
be champ, and then we descended into a fuck Bud
1:09:02
Crawford. Well, he said that. It's so deserved.
1:09:08
Just objectively look at how the timeline laid
1:09:12
itself out. No, yeah, that's valid. I can't even
1:09:17
agree. I'm not even saying opinions because it's
1:09:21
like, okay, which version of Spence is better?
1:09:24
2019 Spence or Spence after a car accident and
1:09:28
one of his eyes falling out? Well, Spence got
1:09:31
in his first car accident after Porter, right?
1:09:33
Like a week after Porter. Yeah, because he fought
1:09:37
Porter after the extension happened. So, I mean,
1:09:44
either way, he probably was going to still fight
1:09:46
a weak Spence. No, but the thing is that the
1:09:49
way it happened was he signed to fight Porter
1:09:55
after Crawford signed the extension. Yeah. So
1:10:01
we get the best version of Spence with the best
1:10:03
version of Crawford. Yeah. Instead of five years
1:10:07
later and like six injuries and Spence has fought
1:10:09
all killers. And Crawford has basically been
1:10:13
on cruise control fighting washed -up Eurofighters.
1:10:18
Yeah, you're right, man. Like, it's just the...
1:10:21
Like, it's not... Like, yeah, it's an opinion
1:10:24
that I hate about Crawford, but it's also, like...
1:10:28
How do you not hate him? When you look at it,
1:10:31
like... Objectively wrong. When you look at what
1:10:34
he's done, like, for a fighter that good... To
1:10:38
piss on that many careers and that many weight
1:10:40
classes is ridiculous. Sport itself, too. Yeah.
1:10:44
Like, if you like this sport, Crawford is one
1:10:47
of those guys that, like, you really have to
1:10:49
hate just because, like, there's, like, yeah,
1:10:54
he's good. But the amount of time wasting, like,
1:11:00
if you don't, if you like, if you like, if you
1:11:02
hate Tyson Fury, but you like Crawford, like,
1:11:05
they're basically the same. in how they hold
1:11:08
the weight class hostage until everyone bends
1:11:12
to them and their wills yeah i will be uh hold
1:11:18
on a second let me let me do this i'm gonna figure
1:11:23
out a way to cut that ahead of What I would hope
1:11:28
would be your parting words. Like, how do we
1:11:31
leave this? You're right. I went on another rant.
1:11:35
No, I know. That's very neat. Yeah. I do know
1:11:39
that. Should we talk about the Oliac this time
1:11:42
or no? No, we can save that for next time. Because
1:11:45
the thing is that the recap for this one is going
1:11:49
to be dead too. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. We're
1:11:54
going to have an empty recap segment so we can
1:11:56
save it. Okay, I'll see you next time. Yep. Alright,
1:12:03
so... No! You don't get parting words. You already
1:12:08
gave them. No, don't get me started again. It
1:12:12
will happen. That's it for this edition of The
1:12:17
Boxing B -Sides. We will see you on the other
1:12:20
side.