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Marcellus Wiley (2nd Appearance) Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: My next guest was raised in South central l A.
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Speaker 1: There you go, and earned his sociology's degree from Columbia
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Speaker 1: University that's in New York City, y'all. He was an
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Speaker 1: all pro who played ten years in the NFL for
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Speaker 1: four different teams. He currently lives in Los Angeles with
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Speaker 1: his wife and son and a baby on the way.
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Speaker 1: Because we read the books. If you read the book,
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Speaker 1: you know about that his daughter attends his daughter's oldest
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Speaker 1: daughter attends uh A Tract Scholarship. I believe at the
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Speaker 1: University of Connecticut. He can find. You can find him
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Speaker 1: starring on Foxes TV show Speak for Yourself, co hosted
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Speaker 1: by Marcellus Wiley, That's Who's on the Phone and Jason
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Speaker 1: Whitlock on Fox Sports. Please work with the money making
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Speaker 1: Conversation for the second time Return of Parents. Marcellus Wiley,
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Speaker 1: my man, that's love right there. Well, well, I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you some man um. First of all, this you know
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Speaker 1: your sociology degree. My mind was the sociology. We always
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Speaker 1: got that let's let's let's talk a little bit about that,
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Speaker 1: because I feel that because you've got a degree in sociology,
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Speaker 1: which is a plays a part in your book, that
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Speaker 1: that that really allowed you to tap into what you
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Speaker 1: see in everyday life and also how you how you
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Speaker 1: the person on the day. How is it important to
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Speaker 1: getting that degree in sociology has been to you for you? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's been critical because it's it's a degree that
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Speaker 1: gives you a universal understanding of people and the patterns
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Speaker 1: of life and what really shapes us and influences us
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Speaker 1: as as individuals. Um you really learn something that I
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Speaker 1: think comes back from biblical times where there are more
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Speaker 1: similarities than differences and everyone so I'm able to find
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Speaker 1: those commonalities and try to bring like mind together even
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Speaker 1: though we may have different experiences. So the sociology background
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Speaker 1: really points out those elements in our everyday existence, whether
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Speaker 1: it's going to the the grocery store and why are
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Speaker 1: certain items in the front and certain items in the back,
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Speaker 1: And when you open the magazine, why do they have
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Speaker 1: certain articles here and certain articles there? Every single facet
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Speaker 1: of life. Someone that has studied that behavior to try
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Speaker 1: and have the most impact the maximum impact. And I'm
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Speaker 1: able to know some of those things. Yeah, and that's
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Speaker 1: really amazing. Now, your book, that's why you calling me.
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Speaker 1: You know, I know we gotta love for each other,
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Speaker 1: but you call about this book. We gotta sell some books.
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Speaker 1: That's why most tell Never Shut Up. The Life, Opinions
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Speaker 1: and Unexpected Adventures of an NFL Outlet. My man, why
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Speaker 1: did you write this book? I wrote this book to
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Speaker 1: inspire everyone, no matter what a verse they face, no
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Speaker 1: matter what age group, what circumstances you come from. Uh
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Speaker 1: and simple. I'm a guy from Compton who whose mother
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Speaker 1: and father wanted a better life for me, and they
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Speaker 1: scraped together their pennies and took us from Compton to
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Speaker 1: South Central. And that may now say it seemed like
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Speaker 1: a huge leap to people, but you know, in our reality,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy. My grandmother started this mindset. She moved from
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Speaker 1: Watts in the sixties to Compton with the same mindset.
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Speaker 1: She wanted a better life for her family. And my
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Speaker 1: my story is just the fork in the roll kid
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Speaker 1: who decided to use his talents to plant and plan
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Speaker 1: away out of the neighborhood to give himself and his
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Speaker 1: family a chance to live a better life in better
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Speaker 1: experiences and circumstances. So I became very responsible for my talents.
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Speaker 1: I didn't raced them, I didn't take them for granted.
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Speaker 1: I try to maximize them and allow them to give
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Speaker 1: me an opportunity to make it, to to realize my dreams.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I wrote the book is just simply
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Speaker 1: I'm a kid who figured this out, made sure he
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Speaker 1: understood his identity, what his role was in the family,
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Speaker 1: and took full advantage of it. And I want to
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Speaker 1: empower everyone in their circumstances, no matter how dire that
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Speaker 1: those circumstances may look, that you can become anything you want.
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Speaker 1: And I know it sounds cliche, but trust me, man,
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Speaker 1: I am a walking, living existence of that same cliche.
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Speaker 1: And I want to inspire others. Well you do that
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Speaker 1: for me, because it's really funny. When I read the book,
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Speaker 1: Well you have me at the opening. You know, here's
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Speaker 1: the funds day. They sent me a link to get
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Speaker 1: the book for free, right, and so I couldn't figure
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Speaker 1: it out. And I read the opening where you were
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Speaker 1: sitting in your house waiting to be called, and then
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Speaker 1: then I clicked the little parts to read sample and
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Speaker 1: it just took me to that part that hold on,
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Speaker 1: hold On, hold hold on, and I bought the book.
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Speaker 1: I went on and bought the book because first of all,
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Speaker 1: you're my boy. Secondly, you had me in the beginning,
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Speaker 1: so I had to read this book now, and so
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Speaker 1: so the things that this is the thing about it.
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Speaker 1: It was very similar because I come from the hood.
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Speaker 1: I grew up in Hereford, and just like you, your
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Speaker 1: parents they moved me to Northeast and somebody said that
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Speaker 1: wasn't much of an upgrade, but they thought they wanted
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Speaker 1: to give me a better opportunity to succeed. But things
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Speaker 1: that the things that I stood out for me was
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Speaker 1: that you said, athletes took your athletics took you out.
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Speaker 1: But you're a very smart guy. Let's not unders sail
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Speaker 1: your intellect, your intelligence, your your ability to get grades
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Speaker 1: under the circumstances. And that's what I think that on
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Speaker 1: our last call that we talked about, is that so
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Speaker 1: many times standing in the hood, growing up in the hood,
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Speaker 1: people only see one type of person, and we know
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Speaker 1: there are so many diamonds in the hood that can
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Speaker 1: sometimes be you know, the be damaged because of the
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Speaker 1: fact they're not giving the proper opportunity to succeed. Sports
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Speaker 1: gave you your opportunity and you got out and uh,
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Speaker 1: and then you own this radio show talking about your
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Speaker 1: life ten years in NFL. You know, beautiful daughter who's
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Speaker 1: attending a tract scholarship at the University of Connecticut, a
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Speaker 1: wife who's a nurse anesthesiastic and it's thesis. Right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, man, I was working with him, and I
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Speaker 1: was working with him, man, But but you know, you
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Speaker 1: don't even know that if you read the book. Don't
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Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. You don't know that. If you
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Speaker 1: read the book. You gotta read the book. But it's
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Speaker 1: the funny part. But in the beginning, in the early
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Speaker 1: parts of the book, because I'm not gonna tell everybody
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Speaker 1: the book, but there's certain things that you have to
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Speaker 1: know about this young man and in his journey. And
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Speaker 1: it was like when I was his sister. There used
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Speaker 1: to there, used to come walk through school. They get
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Speaker 1: beat up every day from the fact they got beat
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Speaker 1: up for four straight weeks, okay. And in my when
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Speaker 1: I was growing up in the hood, it was just guy.
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Speaker 1: This guy would pas me down on the corner like
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Speaker 1: I like he like I was like he was the
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Speaker 1: police every day our dread walking. I mean, see, at
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Speaker 1: least Marcellis just tell his sister to go another way.
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Speaker 1: She wouldn't go another way. We're gonna walk down the street. See,
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Speaker 1: I tried to go on the way. He found me.
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Speaker 1: He found me every time. So I found that so
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Speaker 1: relatable to to that. That's how the hood is. The
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Speaker 1: hood is is that either stand up and deal with
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Speaker 1: it or runaway and become a victim of it. And
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Speaker 1: that's and you never became a victim of it. And
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Speaker 1: that's why I really appreciate at the beginning of the book,
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Speaker 1: and tell me about that said a lot there, brother,
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Speaker 1: let me go back to the beginning point. Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: my talents. When I say talents, I mean to plural
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Speaker 1: one and two. My talents were academics and my talents
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Speaker 1: were athletics. So I was a very good football player,
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Speaker 1: amn good, super fast as a kid, and I was
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Speaker 1: super smart, um smart because I not so much. I
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Speaker 1: was born a genius, but I was a kid in
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Speaker 1: the front of the class, raised in his hand asking
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Speaker 1: why I was a curious kid. So I coupled my
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Speaker 1: two talents, which was my academics and athletics, and I
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Speaker 1: decided to play the game of life in a short
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Speaker 1: and in a long game. My short game was gonna
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Speaker 1: play football. That was gonna be my means to an end.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people in the hood look at sports
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Speaker 1: and entertainment as the end game, and I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: it's a means to an end. Um. So I used
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Speaker 1: football to get us immediately out of the hood, to
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Speaker 1: give me scholarship opportunities, to get me the millions of
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Speaker 1: dollars initially to help my family and start generational wealth.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me. That was that was football, But the long
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Speaker 1: game was Columbia. The long game was my Ivy League education.
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Speaker 1: A long game was opening up doors, having people respect
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Speaker 1: my intelligence, to presume my intelligence before they even meet me,
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Speaker 1: based off a degree, based off of schooling. And that's
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Speaker 1: the game I'm playing now, to the tune of I
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Speaker 1: played football in the NFL for ten years and now
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Speaker 1: I'm in my twelfth year of broadcasting. So for all
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Speaker 1: the kids in the hood and everywhere out there thinking
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Speaker 1: that sports is the end all of everything, it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's the beginning ahead start to whatever else you want
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Speaker 1: to do. Be hell, let's all my seller's we're gonna
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Speaker 1: go to a quick break and we're gonna come right
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Speaker 1: back because I want to talk about that dude. D
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Speaker 1: a T dude. He's on the phone, and I'm happy
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Speaker 1: to have him one show. It's the second time I've
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Speaker 1: had him on the show. A fan from you know,
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Speaker 1: you look at people, you meet them from a far
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Speaker 1: and you become a fans. And this show has allowed
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Speaker 1: me to actually speak to people that I've I've admired
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Speaker 1: and because I admired him for his attic talents, which
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Speaker 1: I didn't possess, but I equally admired him for his
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Speaker 1: academic talents, which I like to believe I do possess.
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Speaker 1: So we were able to share that stage. But he's
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Speaker 1: on my show. If you he for many years, it
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Speaker 1: was you could see him on ESPN. Uh, I should
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Speaker 1: laugh at him. He has a sense of humor. And
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Speaker 1: I watched his career grow on ESPN. And right now
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Speaker 1: you can find him on Fox Sports TV show called
11:25
Speaker 1: Speak for Yourself. It's co hosted about him. It's myr
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Speaker 1: sell Us Wildly and the and the. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: say Jason Woodlocke, who a lot of people love him
11:33
Speaker 1: and a lot of people hate him, but he's a
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Speaker 1: guy within an opinion on Fox Sports. Please welcome back
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Speaker 1: to money making Conversation. The author of the show That's
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Speaker 1: Hot Off. The book That's Hot Off the presses just
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Speaker 1: got released October twenty three. Uh never shut up by
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Speaker 1: Marcellous Wildly my sellers. Now, you was in college Wait wait,
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Speaker 1: Columbia University or about six four with two sixty and
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Speaker 1: you are, I got there. I was that was that
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Speaker 1: was going that was going to college. Now, but you
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Speaker 1: were typing eighty two words a minute. Yeah, man, I
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Speaker 1: was a national and everybody in the boot win. Huh huh.
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Speaker 1: So you gotta read the book. I'm telling you. Read
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Speaker 1: the book, man, You read the book. See see the
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Speaker 1: interesting thing. The only thing you thing about that was
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Speaker 1: that you know, here's the funny thing about Marcella's Marcella
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Speaker 1: the first year on the radio is the real deal. Okay.
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Speaker 1: He he was able to walk that line of being
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Speaker 1: who he is, but also let you understand when you're
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Speaker 1: when he's aarticular enough to let you know that he
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Speaker 1: is not who you think he is to hear me clear, okay,
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Speaker 1: And that's very important because you know, it's a very
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Speaker 1: intelligent guy. He has the degree, the matches that, and
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Speaker 1: then Joan let that hood flavor, but he doesn't lose
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Speaker 1: that hood flavor. So we got to Columbia. You know,
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Speaker 1: they were out of you playing. He was doing this,
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Speaker 1: a n w A here doing this thing. He was,
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Speaker 1: he was, he was a one of b DJ in
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Speaker 1: the dorms all those all when they weren't feeling him,
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Speaker 1: they weren't feeling him in the dorms, they complain, they complained,
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Speaker 1: and so you know they see that stereotype coming. Man,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy because from Columbia's perspective, the stereotypical Columbia student
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Speaker 1: was stereotyping me from Compton, and then everybody from Compton
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Speaker 1: was stereotyping me for going to Columbia. And it was
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Speaker 1: just like I'm called up in the crosshairs, just like
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Speaker 1: warfare of stereotypes, and I'm like, look, man, first of
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Speaker 1: all my people, black people, whatever you want to say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: stop trying to lock us into only one one, one
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Speaker 1: facet of being black, only one level of blackness. Like
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Speaker 1: our expressions are are in multitude, Like we can be
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Speaker 1: anything and express and still be a black person. Like
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Speaker 1: I hated that, Like if you you were too articulate
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Speaker 1: at the time, that was not black enough. There was
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Speaker 1: a time where you were too intelligent. Oh man, you're
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Speaker 1: trying to sound like the white people. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: hey man, y'all, y'all need to calm that down. And
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Speaker 1: then when I get to Columbia, they looking at me like, um,
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Speaker 1: that T shirt you wearing in those baggies khakis and
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Speaker 1: and the Cortez's and that look like that's a little
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Speaker 1: too urban hood gangster for us. And I'm like, look,
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Speaker 1: y'all need to call that down because I'm in the
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Speaker 1: same class with you. I got better grades than you,
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Speaker 1: and I'm killing it on the football field. Y'all need
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Speaker 1: to relax on how y'are judging cats. So I was
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Speaker 1: able to like kind of pull them both both sides
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Speaker 1: and make him understand, stop trying to judge this man.
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Speaker 1: Read it. But it's but the skill level, it's typing
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Speaker 1: door that that was That was the game changing for
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Speaker 1: him though. That was a game changing with the typing though,
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Speaker 1: because that allowed them a you use you, they they
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Speaker 1: use you in a positive manner because you know, it's
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Speaker 1: the thing about respect is I always tell people, is
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Speaker 1: that you get paid on what people value or you
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Speaker 1: get treat it on what people value and when you
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Speaker 1: when you show them that you had the skill that
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Speaker 1: they actually needed, then your value and the and their
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Speaker 1: approach to you totally change. Talk to the talk to
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Speaker 1: the listeners and how that what I'm talking about as
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Speaker 1: far as you from a personal experience. And this is
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Speaker 1: a this is a statement from the book Never Shut
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Speaker 1: Up by Marcella's Wilet. Yeah, man, I was so being
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Speaker 1: a national champion in typing. I had a skill that
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Speaker 1: was invaluable. I mean it was something that I never
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Speaker 1: thought with materialized to. Really, they're laughing so hard in
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Speaker 1: this booth man. They I ain't messing with them. Paid
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Speaker 1: that I was winning up in that dorm room. But
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Speaker 1: long story short, man, you know you see me coming.
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Speaker 1: I'm big black, I'm playing in w what. I'm comfident
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Speaker 1: l A. But no one saw that I could type
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Speaker 1: like that. These kids over there looking at their their keyboards,
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Speaker 1: typing one word a minute, taking forever to write their papers.
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Speaker 1: They found out that I was a national champion in typing.
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they're giving me five dollars to
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Speaker 1: type their papers, ten dollars to type their papers. Next thing,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm in there basically writing paper for everyone
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Speaker 1: else based off their notes, just because I could type
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Speaker 1: so fast. And it really bridged the gap between those
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Speaker 1: kids who would have never ever felt comfortable coming up
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Speaker 1: to a guy like me based on stereotype, based on perception,
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Speaker 1: And it just closed that gap, man, And it was
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Speaker 1: It did wonders in terms of my mindset and understanding
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Speaker 1: that once again we have more in common than we
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Speaker 1: do indifference. You know, the interesting thing about this book
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Speaker 1: is he talks about the role that his parents played,
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Speaker 1: you know, his mom and his dad Steady Eddie as
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Speaker 1: he calls him in the book, and and and and
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Speaker 1: how that reflected on what you try to be as
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Speaker 1: a man, you know, in the various relationships, you know,
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Speaker 1: the imagery you try to try to put out there
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Speaker 1: that you discussed the book and until you finally found
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Speaker 1: yourself and in the end you could only trust yourself
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Speaker 1: and be the man that you believe that you are.
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Speaker 1: Can you talked about fans about what I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: say from the standpoint from the book, from a realistic
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Speaker 1: sampoint of you know, the life that you were squeezed into,
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Speaker 1: and from the from the hood didn't going to climb.
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Speaker 1: You have been being this high draft pick and and
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Speaker 1: you're able to take your your parents out of the
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Speaker 1: hood and to Lada Heights, which I know because I
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Speaker 1: lived in l a And fifteen years so I know
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Speaker 1: exactly where you took him. Talk about that change game, man. Uh. First,
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Speaker 1: I owe everything that my parents were, just them being there,
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Speaker 1: being a nuclear family, my mother and father in the home.
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Speaker 1: As we know how the family motto is being undermined
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Speaker 1: and the road, and especially in the black community, to
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Speaker 1: a point where, uh, it's more likely you grow up
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Speaker 1: in a single family home than you do in a nuclear,
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Speaker 1: two parent family home. So I was at a huge advantage, uh,
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Speaker 1: compared to my peers. Beyond that, I learned so many
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Speaker 1: lessons from my parents just because of that stability, that
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Speaker 1: security it gives you as a kid. I noticed it
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Speaker 1: now with my own family, Uh, just because my kids
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Speaker 1: just have a different level of confidence because their their
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Speaker 1: foundation hasn't been shaken to the point where a divorce
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Speaker 1: or single parent home obviously stresses of family. So my
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Speaker 1: dad was all principal, I mean, no emotion, I mean
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Speaker 1: all principle. My dad is writer, he don't care. If
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Speaker 1: it's you, you don't care. If it's his mama, his daddy.
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Speaker 1: If you're right, you're right. If you're wrong, you're wrong.
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Speaker 1: And that did wonders in terms of helping me navigate
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Speaker 1: my moral compass. My mother all emotion, all energy, charisma. Uh,
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Speaker 1: she could win the room over in five seconds. And
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Speaker 1: I learned from her kind of like a combo effect.
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Speaker 1: My dad was the coloring book when you buy it,
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Speaker 1: no crayons, just outline, just like, oh, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of good pages in here. My mom was the Crayola
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Speaker 1: crayons with the sharp the sharpener in the front. Like
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Speaker 1: my mom had every single layer of emotion, of energy, uh,
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Speaker 1: of pozzas. And that combo between my dad being the
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Speaker 1: outline my mom coloring it in is what I materialized into. Man.
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Speaker 1: So I had a great balance in that growing up. Well,
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Speaker 1: I want to mention that, first of all, the arny
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the articulation and the characterization
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Speaker 1: he has for both his parents in the book is
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Speaker 1: rather amazing. Now, the book title never Shut Up, I
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Speaker 1: have to assume that that title came from You're not
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Speaker 1: You're not shutting up with the Dallas Cowboys is is.
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Speaker 1: That's where that title came from. It was just your
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Speaker 1: whole lifestyle because you didn't shut up when your teammate
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Speaker 1: told you to shut up. Yeah, that was one. It
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Speaker 1: certainly has shown this ugly head and at times this
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Speaker 1: beautiful head in my life. But the core of never
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Speaker 1: shut Up is for everyone. Um. This world tried to
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Speaker 1: tell me, the world tried to tell me at a
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Speaker 1: young age, who I had to be, who I could be,
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Speaker 1: and who I couldn't be. Uh. The stereotypes, the statistics,
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Speaker 1: everything was telling me what I was going to be.
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Speaker 1: But my essence was saying something different. My responsibility to
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Speaker 1: my family and to myself was saying something different. So
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Speaker 1: never shut Up comes from the fact that you tell
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Speaker 1: the world who you want to be. Don't let the
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Speaker 1: world tell you. Don't let the world dictate certumstances to you,
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Speaker 1: dictate terms and they will. The world would tell you
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be a gang banger, bro. The world would
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Speaker 1: tell you all you are as a football player. The
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Speaker 1: world would tell you all you're gonna be is just
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Speaker 1: this rapper or or you know what the world's gonna
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Speaker 1: gonna be anything in this world like this world would
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Speaker 1: tell you so much. Never shut up telling the world
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Speaker 1: what you're gonna be, and don't stop till you go
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Speaker 1: get it. It's just that simple, Marzellis. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: know I support you and everything that you do man.
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Speaker 1: daughter at Yukon. And keep winning, Keep winning, Marcellos. You
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