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PMAD: Galway’s Dark Indie Voice on The Late Late Lunch Show · The Discussion Podcast

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This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell, supported by Talbot Learning in
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Nature's Playground. So it's Rod Maxwell on the Late Late Lunch Show and today I'm
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delighted to be speaking to a man who comes from County Galway, Portumna, I hope
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I've got that right. His name is Paul Dillon but he is the artist called PMAD,
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a post-punk and gothic indie rock artist and we're gonna find out what all that
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means and talk also about music generally. Paul thanks for joining me.
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Well thank you so much Rod and all them Radio Alty for having me, fair play to you,
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thank you very much. Well you know it's it's it's funny isn't it in that when we
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you and I were growing up in the 80s in our respective parts of Ireland you know
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you didn't have the connectivity you have today and you couldn't just do
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something like this and and the world now seems a much smaller place but when
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we were growing up music also made it a small place didn't it? Oh well it did but
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we used to have a Top 40 Dave Fanning back in on the radio back in the day and
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he was you know he'd educate you but that was only once a week and you'd get
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a song and it took a cousin to come home from the Gwaeltacht every once a year
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the Irish lads go off to go to an Irish learning for two weeks and he came home
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I believe he came home with the Smiths and there's a light that never comes out
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and he said he kissed the girl to it and I believed nothing about the kiss but he
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came home with a good tune anyway you know so and that's it I never heard of
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the Smiths and that just opened the whole world to me you know whatever age
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I was yeah and you relied on radio to open up your ears and eyes to stuff
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didn't you? People like Dave Fanning in RTE2 were big stars weren't they?
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Well he was huge but he was only what two hours a week where the rest of them
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are all big Tom and the Mainliners and you know the show bands and Dickie Rock
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and all the other stuff. I said if this is music and in our house it was
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Val Doonican and Johnny Cash Brilliant and we were lucky enough to
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have a record on Roy Orbison and a few other things as well. We had a big record
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player but you couldn't be relying on my mother and father to have any classics
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like. Well I don't think kneecap or Fontaine's DC or SEMA for example would
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have been very popular back in those days would it? No I remember putting the
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cassette in and I was into the rap at the time in a cassette into the car and
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it was Ice Cube and the father said, stop with that cassette it seems to be skipping the whole time
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it seems to be skipping and Jake his language is lethal I hope you're not
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talking like that. I actually always remember when Frankie Goes to Hollywood
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would be on and you'd be there with your parents and it would come on and even
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though it might have been filtered you had this sense of absolute embarrassment
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you know. It was like watching the Late Late Show and the stars were talking and my
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mother used to call them French letters back in the day. So let's talk about you and music
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because you are a singer-songwriter and again part of the wonders of today's
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digital age is that you can be an artist and produce music almost by
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yourself and get it out there and again when when we were growing up in the 80s
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you had to, getting the demo done was hard enough and then you would have been
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posting it to all places and you wouldn't have known where it was going.
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It's again changed so much but how do you do it today?
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I look at only for technology we wouldn't be doing it. I have a DAW and I record
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badly and my timing can be off and things like that but thanks for the God
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to the DAW and technology you can cut and paste and do the other different
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bits and pieces, perfect it. I have a great producer in Germany now as well
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Dominic of Protonaut Studios who is wonderful and we sort of work
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together great and because PMAD is, I don't know about a vocalist and all the
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other thing, PMAD is what it is. It's not trying to be Antonelle Sony but I like
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and if hopefully if I like it other people will like it as well. So you know
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the chances of creating stuff is absolutely amazing, unreal, the tech
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and you can do it very cheaply and but it needs to be done well come the end of
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it to get radio plays produced. And that hasn't really changed in a lot of ways.
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We're going to take a break and we'll be back with PMAD aka Paul Dillon
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coming in from County Galway and we'll be back with him talking about his music
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and talking about the whole songwriting process in a few minutes time.
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You're listening to the Late Late Lunch Show with... Back to the Garden Childcare where
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little explorers grow naturally. You're listening to Radio Walty, it's the Late Late Lunch Show
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and today I'm delighted to be speaking to a guy called Paul Dillon coming to
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me live from County Galway, Portumna and I know Galway is a beautiful part of the
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world on the West Coast isn't it? Yeah the West Coast, right on the West Coast
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next up America yeah and it's good job at the moment we've the Atlantic between
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us but it's gone. Yes when you hear all the things that go on in the world and
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you'd say oh it's very boring down here it's absolutely beautiful and it keeps
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us away from all the other madness that's going on a lot of the stuff you
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know so we've got to be lucky. It is madness isn't it? So what is the
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music scene like around Galway? Very good a huge huge Galway is an arty town
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anyway and there's a lot of great Rosie and Dove and you have the old 55 and
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old Monroe's and loads of different places that are playing you know you can
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get a chance to go play now of course there's gatekeepers and there's all the
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other different things like that but generally you can get a gig if you're
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willing to go out get gigs and down Limerick is another hour away and
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Dolan's and there's lots the yeah there's loads of different places which
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is it's coming back a little bit from what it was in the 80s again 80s Irish
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scene was absolutely amazing sort of died away a little then and just went
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city-centric to Dublin and then it's back again like which is amazing it's
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great. So when when did you when do you remember first playing and what was your
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first band and what were you influenced by? We were the suicidal duffel coats in the
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living room of my mother's house and we were bongos, a guitar, a bass and a
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keyboards and Lord we spent more time beating the heads of each other and we
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fell out and we did bits and pieces and covering the cure and Simple Minds and
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things like that and then we fell out with each other and then we came back as
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The Return of the Suicidal Duffel Coats. Starved of Barber was another one we all
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shaved our heads and oh it's madness you know and fun you know so. The Suicidal
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Duffel Coats that's such a classic 80s name isn't it? And who were you being
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influenced by that time in the Irish scene? Oh in the Irish scene a house
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would have been my big one. A House and Frank and Walter. A House are coming
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back now as A House is Dead and we have a new album and Frank and Walters are
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constantly gigging around they're absolutely brilliant so and they would
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have been the Irish and they would have been the Smiths and early Simple Minds
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and all that sort of stuff here you know. And then did you go through a
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period where music left you or you weren't as active in it? Yeah oh god yeah
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when the guy came out with the guitar and started whinging
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about every lad was solo guitar whinging about the girlfriend left him
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and all the other different things and not even a country style. I could
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understand the truck being stolen and the guy had coffee spilling on him and
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things like that and it's country song but these were oh I lost interest. I
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stopped listening to music for about 10 years from 90 something probably at the
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end of middle of grunge maybe all the way up to the 2000s and it was a band
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from Middlesbrough the Chapman family who I just happened to be over and went
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to a gig and Kingsley Hall who is now the benefits that is the name of the
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band not the benefit they are benefits is the name of the band up there in
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Middlesbrough absolutely amazing and that just I said music ain't dead what am I
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talking about get back into this and then it brings you down the rabbit hole
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and away you go again. Yeah it is funny how life gets in the way even though it
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shouldn't do but life gets in the way in the 90s yeah you know your life
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actually just goes faster and faster and suddenly you're you're you're finding
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yourself with a job and all these other things that when you were in your teens
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you just didn't even need to worry about. I didn't worry about much of that job
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and yeah I ran pubs and I did all sorts of different things oh no I went to
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college and I got a beer drinking degree and all the other different things that
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you get there and and we've all seen some of the greatest bands that ever
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through my college and yeah but then yes I married and kids and things and that
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that's the thing that saved me probably the most so I can't blame it at all no
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and it's funny how the full circle is gone around my 13 year old son is a
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wonderful musician as well now guitarist and piano and but he's into heavy metal
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and death metal he could tell you everything so now we go off to metal
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fests and all the different things like that and next thing you have him
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moshing a little mosh pit like I was back in the day and I'm saying I have to
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send a video of it to his of him still alive to his mother every hour on the
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hour he's gonna get killed in there but it's amazing what I find is and it's
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gone back a little bit more again to the tribes that we had back in the day that
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was the thing that I always loved that for the last 10-15 years us everybody
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looks the same North Face jacket boys trying to fit into their younger
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brothers trousers and all the other different things girls with this
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fantastic hair and it's beautiful and all the bits and pieces but we had punks
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and mods and metalers and identity everything yeah and hatred and all the
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other different things and personal you know these fight in the streets and
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things that but no with fights I never never had to hit a man in my life now in
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all fairness thanks for the God but and nor a woman no but uh when a fight when
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someone got knocked down that was the end of the fight you won
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whereas now 10 guys would cowardly go in and kick the heady air which is a
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problem no I start to see more metalers and there seems to be a going that scene
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again a little bit which is great so what would you've aligned yourself to
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them what was your thing back then I sure I was like little Britain I was the
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only got in the village you know me going around me a big black coat and and
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Doc Martens and black trousers and hair down to me chin or upward into the sky
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yeah my father used what my father used called me a teddy boy which when I
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researched it all I was no more like one but anyway it was just different and
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then I'd be sweating like at the disco and but I used to and then just really
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insulting you go up to the DJ and say will you play the cure will you pay the
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Smith's are you playing not a chance with it so I go with my CD Walkman or
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because I mean Walkman and I do the original silent disco back in the day
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that's class yeah I was a very confused mod because I like some of the music but
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I my image was all over the place I have to say and there was no image either and
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we'll take a break I'm gonna be back with Paul Dillon PMAD and we'll be
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talking about his music and post-punk gothic indie rock and we'll be back with
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him in a couple minutes time this is the late late lunch show with Rod Maxwell
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supported by where little explorers grow naturally so when did you decide to
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create this this what would you call it this this artist of PMAD then I sure
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it's my it's my name it's nice there's nothing hugely it's just a brand is
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great with the the mad they may at the end and it's Paul Martin Anthony Dillon
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as me name you know it doesn't make it anything special
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when the table quiz comes up in 30 years time and say what the PMAD stand
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for nothing good but is he mad correct probably and then sure look it I did
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these few things and met a few tunes sisters and medicine and then sort of
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sent him out to a few friends who would be honest to you you know which you
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always need I call it friends or honesty doesn't always get you many
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friends but it a friend will tell you honestly and I said cheers that's good
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yeah not my thing but it's good and then I found a Dominic the producer
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awesome checkers we put it together and then I said how do I release this and
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things that I have a good friend Liam who my other band our other band the
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greeting and we have some wonderful tunes that's more popular I suppose
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stuff and he talked yeah we do this and we do that yeah great and next thing my
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wife said I said I'm gonna release this and then she said stick on your
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tick-neck now because you're gonna get it you're gonna get it and in all
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fairness now anyway my mother I was that if you've nothing good to say
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nothing the majority of people have said nothing if they don't like it that's
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fine I don't mind you walk away if you don't like people or music man just turn
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it over to the new channel or whatever it is and it's gone out there and it's
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found its own little nation and you'll never be a star in your own town so it's
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it's Mexico Chicago all these different places that it's taken off it's mad yeah
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it is mad but it's incredible as well I love the fact that no you can you can do
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these things and you don't mean any harm to anybody you don't care about that you
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just want to fulfill an ambition a dream and it could be music it could be
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painting there could be a podcast could be radio whatever but back in the day
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when the technology just didn't didn't allow us to do it we had the creativity
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but we just didn't have the tools did we no no no just wasn't in it and you
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needed to be city-wise you know or who knows who and things like when you go
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back through the history of law it's amazing the artists never really no more
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than Da Vinci or whoever it is they weren't overly appreciated when they
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were alive it's when they died and the things I feel it none of our millionaires
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dying you know and all these all these artists someone else or see I don't know
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whatever record companies I don't know any of them but they all made the money
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and and you know you got the hero status but yeah you and you you write
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everything and do you do all the production yourself or do you bring in
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session artists or what do you do no I do most of the music myself and then
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Dominic again he's an awesome producer but he's an awesome musician as well and
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he's probably he's the full brains behind it really you know if you were
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relying on me to do anything and it wouldn't be great but no it goes off in
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a fair good demo style and then we work together then over the internet we've
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never met in person around that that's the best thing about the internet again
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so he emails me this and I email that or we do a whatsapp or we do zoom and we
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talk it through and hey voila you have a student at the end of it you know it is
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it is very much you know sometimes I get fed up with this life of you know the
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noise but when you think about what you can do with the tools that create the
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noise sometimes it's it's quite amazing yeah people go around and people
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whatever to say about my music and whatever it is but sadness is sort of a
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bit of a rebellion as well everything seems to be so fake and social media to
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be the hair and the filters and the happiness and the rest of it isn't like
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that yeah it's just but it can be good so you go out and you grasp it you know
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it's not you know if nothing is going to be perfect but the tools are there to
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make things that you want without hurting anyone else of course. I think the
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key to it is the authenticity right if you're authentic and you don't take
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yourself too seriously but you're authentic with it I can come through do
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you not think Paul? Oh god yeah yeah yeah like even meeting people around like that and you
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look them in the eye and the rest of it there's nothing like you know we can email all we
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like and do the things you can say things and the keyboard warriors but
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chatting to you here now over zoom and the rest of it is absolutely brilliant I
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can see in your eyes and I can see the enthusiasm you have for radio and all the
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other bits and pieces and it just you know and your voice and it look at you
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don't look like everything if I was going to do a video a tick tock or
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something later on on the reviews of PMAZ and the new single it's
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better than his other rubbish that's good you know and some people just don't
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get it at all it sounds too dark for me yeah well that's fine walk on go on to
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the happy 30 tunes that you hear every day exactly well look I'm gonna take a
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break and I want to come back and talk about I think it's the first album was
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who who were and who I was and we'll talk about the making of that so I'm
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absolutely delighted to be speaking with the artist who is PMAZ otherwise known
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as Paul Dillon coming from Galway coming to me live today and we'll we'll be back
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with him in a couple of minutes time this is the late late lunch show with
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Rod Maxwell supported by Paul the thing that I always struggle with when I was
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back in the 80s when I was trying to write songs was I didn't know how to
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express myself and I I didn't know how to let go so I didn't know how to find
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the words and not be embarrassed by them do you think that with the age that has
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become easier or is that something that you've never had as a constraint I get
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the feeling that's a that's a teen thing it's a teen thing a teenager thing that
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it's it's hard to express yourself you have all this anger you're raised you
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have happiness you've sadness feelings hormones running through you and you're
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you're afraid because you're trying to not make an eager to yourself in front
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of the women and things like that or whatever you're into and but things are
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more open now of course and look at the Egypt and the class that got a slap
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across the head because oh you're stupid or whatever it is that doesn't happen
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anymore there's people are being looked after and actually they turned out to be
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the electricians the plumbers the smartest men in the world and probably
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the richest people now you don't school doesn't suit everyone and and all these
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different things so yeah the one thing about I suppose me and maybe I would I'd
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never discussed my feelings with anyone and my father were close but we never
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discussed feelings of an Irish thing you know it was just the way it is yeah
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and harden up and you didn't talk to your mother talk to you but you didn't
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talk to her and stuff like that but I probably did journaling before there was
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ever journaling I just text myself stuff and if I heard probably the biggest way
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getting a lot of my lyrics is mishearing lyrics from other bands you know I was
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good when you grew up a boy in the bushes were two in the hand
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mammary glands and all the other different things with the smiths and now
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did I hear them oh lord yes that means it makes sense now and I got things all
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mixed up and I just write them down and say sure you know variations on it now
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you know and stuff of that that's the thing I remember like back in the day
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doing covers right and you had to sit down and you would have tipped a top 40
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and you had to sit down with a pen and paper and go line for line and writing
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out the lyrics and and most the time I got the lyrics wrong I didn't understand
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the context or whatever I don't were probably better what you had that what
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the original I really don't know but but but you've you've actually taken that
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and made it made it a thing that's cool yeah yeah to say okay yeah I've been
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texting myself is that right geez that's what team is no it isn't okay and then
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go back but now when all friends when I hear my 10 year old daughter or 11 year
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old she's now I suppose and she listening to the music she doesn't that
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well you don't want to be listening to the lyrics of that large filth it's it's
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it's gonna be given out about parent advisory address it just because you
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can't understand it or it's reverbs or screen you do real I mean again come
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back the Frankie goes to Hollywood you you know you thought about the the the
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controversy that was and I had a taste now and that'll be nothing yeah tell
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people actually relax now that is nothing compared to what's coming out
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now I know I'm actually he's coming to a festival here in Altrincham at the start
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of July was singing I of course you get a lot of these artists now who are
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coming mother all back yeah making more money than they ever did in the day I'm
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delighted to see a check Howard Jones was my first concert ever in in Galway I
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was into the spiky hair always probably but uh but Frankie Frankie goes to
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Holland the rest of Holly they came to live in Ireland for a while because I'd
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like the Thompson twins and a lot of them moved over tired and I think it's
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more for the peace and then quieter maybe the money and hiding and things
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like that but a lot of them moved over to Ireland yeah well go take a break and
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I want to come back and talk to you about the making of the album and you
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know that that that process if you like because you made a couple of albums now
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but we'll come back to who why were water and we're talking today to Paul
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Dylan he's coming to me from Portumna in County Galway and he is the artist
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known as P mad and we will we'll talk to him some more in a couple of minutes
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time this is the late late lunch show with Rod Maxwell supported by my Paul I
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can see you're the choice of the broken generation and aren't aren't we all in a
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way we we've probably did feel we were the broken generation but or maybe we
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didn't maybe we just thought we were the the free generation what do you think
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actually we were then we were that generation every generation thinks
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they're fucking brilliant you know it's not every like new there's like music
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new music music didn't stop being met in the 60s or 70s or 80s there's a there's
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under someone else there and there's more future classics on the floor of
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recording studios now than ever will be you know so you know it's just funny we
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were into gophers and the generations with shouldn't be any worse off no
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unfortunately with the you know the price of houses in Ireland and I think
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they're saying that somebody in England and the rest of that next generation
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there'll be more smarter and better than ever but what chances they'll have of
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improving their lives more than the previous generations I don't know so
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anyway what do you make of the music scene these days because Ireland
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definitely I think is producing more individual almost alternative artists
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than say other parts of the of the world and I often get the impression that I
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have a very simple view of this sometimes I think the artist is chosen
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the maid for the whatever's trending at the time and whatever fits on social
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media and I it may not be that simple but but Ireland I feel like the
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alternative scene in Ireland or music that's a bit more edgy is sort of coming
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out of Ireland yeah yeah you can say that but would say the population of
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Ireland is is the greater Manchester area the hospital in Manchester deals
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with more people than the whole population of Ireland yeah true so you
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know the you know you're dealing with it so it sounds like a country and it's big
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but if you were to count up all the great bands in Manchester the six
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million people that are in around it you know there's amazing bands there as well
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it just because it sounds it come from Ireland and it sounds exotic more than
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it comes from greater Manchester or whatever no more than Joy Division and
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New Order and the Stone Roses and all the other things but Ireland has a
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chance yeah but then like I said if the radio shows the best of Irish Indy with
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PMAJ all around the world and the best of world in the end I get lots of
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music and Ireland definitely punches above its weight on the scene but what
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I do find out and I don't play big bands what I find is why is that band making
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it big how if they got 500,000 people liking them on Instagram and whatever it
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is and they're selling out concerts and this band has got 500 and is looking to
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get 50 people at their gig and actually they're better so I don't know there is
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a lot of gatekeeping and there's a lot of I'm gonna somebody picking these
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people out and making a team for the the premiership or whatever it is and stuff
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like that you know so I don't know it doesn't get it but then like football
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music is about opinions and my opinion doesn't matter one bit if a billion
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other people think whoever it is is good you know so but what I do like about
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today is the access you can have right so you can see artists in small venues
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they're much more intimate I have a mate who goes by the name of Duke Special
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of course yeah fabulous yeah he was in Portumna last summer for the festival
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he went to school with me and we grew up together and then after O-Levels
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Peter went away but but I saw him last week in a like a mill complex and
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where the heck was it somewhere outside of Manchester you know and there were
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probably a hundred or so of us in an intimate setting and you know that was
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totally different from being at a venue where there's gonna be 30,000 people and
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you can't get nowhere near I like the access that you can get these days yeah
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yeah no I love that and it's brilliant we seen White Lies myself and the wife
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and there was 500 people and the following Friday night they played to
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10,000 in London for three nights you know so brilliantly got to shake their
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hands and I love that yeah but I think it's it's brilliant but I don't think
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it's fair on Duke Special or on the others that they should be playing to a
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hundred he should be filling out the 10,000 arena the whole time and get okay
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if he wants to come down and play an intimate show every so often he should
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be filling out because he's an absolute wonderful performer and Freewheel is
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probably one the greatest Irish songs ever and isn't it just so yeah so look
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at to be going around struggling not that I'm saying that he's struggling
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around like that but other artists you know Duke will set out loads of
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different shows and do really well and make it professionally but he should be
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a millionaire you know why isn't he more than others and you know and I'm
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delighted you appreciate the 100 to be one of the 100 but probably should be
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one of the 5,000 as well going to see him you know and I'd like to see that
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more for more people I think the the arena stuff and they close that off to
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taking a chance on smaller artists not as the headliners but to give them a
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chance to be before the headliners whatever it is and play to that and then
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anyway. Do you play live much? Very little now we're just trying to decide as big
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and all as I am and all the rest of us and no one really wants to come to see
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me on my own on the stage do little bits and pieces the young lad like I was
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saying he's a great musician so we're planning on that and looking at the
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autumn and just trying to piece it all together how would a one-man show two-man
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show look and studying it all on the internet and just getting the sounds
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right and things. Well take a break and come back and talk about your latest
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single which is 945 and today I'm speaking to the artist that's P-Mad Paul
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Dillon coming to me from Ireland and we'll talk about his latest single in a
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few minutes time. This is the late late lunch show with Rod Maxwell supported by
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so you produced is it two albums? Yeah no this is a third album now is we started
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out with Who Why Where What and you try to get a lot of people that I've had a
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lot of people struggle with that one Who Why Where What if you say it quick enough it's
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just the general questions in life my father was great if he wouldn't know he
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knew everyone at the end of us and funerals was his pastime but he didn't
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know you in the if he didn't know you when he met you he knew you when you're
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who you where you from what did you do and what do you like and all the other
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different things so that was where that came out and then I in power was a just
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like play on there's no I in team but I can be in power yeah I can be the power
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of myself and the new one then is a one plus one equals minus one and believe
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nothing that you hear or see or anything these days because it could be anything
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and yeah it was my first accounting job as well I'm an accountant as well and
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so much I was doing Nixers and then I said I'm gonna leave in the job I'm
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gonna do me on you've sent me on practice and I bought a few business
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cars back in the early 90s which cost me a fortune so I put them out
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sparingly and you didn't have all the printers that you have now and some guy
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came to the door about an hour later I was barely home and he just said I hear
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you're an accountant that's just yeah yeah yeah any good
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and I said I sure I'll do my best for you this is what's one plus one nice
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minus one oh jeez you're good it was a bit of I remember that all my life and
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then I just said it was actually a good explainer as well that you can't believe
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anything these days at all anymore the fakeness yeah so the three albums out
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and a remix album as well they're free on the internet as well yeah yeah look
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at me now that's called as well so yeah someone said from Hungary fair
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and the email back and said yeah we're after changing the show to another
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station or whatever it is and I said brilliant and he said we've all 68 PMA
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tunes now in the library and I said oh lord am I annoying people that much with
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68 tunes oh ha you poor devils well look and it's been absolutely brilliant to
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speak to you I have to say and I love the story I I think we were a generation
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that was slightly starved of things in the 80s but we're making it up for it
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since are we oh yeah we're looking people who it's not that long ago who
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said it's it's for it's close what do they say it's something to 2050 now it's
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closer to 2050 than it was World War one and World War two and the troubles in
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Northern Ireland and the Republic and and the UK and the rest of it you know
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so there was always that I don't know what it was it was always that just fear
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or something that was going on but now that's all relinquished thanks to the
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gods and and the world is a so much better peaceful time place as it is it
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is in our world and yeah we're lucky look at someone told me it's a
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privilege to be alive because a friend just a guy I was with a gig I only
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emailed him chatting him last week and I knew he had cancer or whatever it is and
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we're with the gigs with him this time last year actually Junebank called it
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last year and these funerals to see them tomorrow evening you know so 48 and so
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every day is a great day you can get out of bed draw a cake you know yourself you
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know yeah yeah and it it is for me every day I wake up and I'm alive and I figure
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right what we're gonna get up to today yeah and and I think you have to be in a
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bit older to appreciate that in some ways but and it feels like being 12 or
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13 or 14 again in the summer holidays isn't it to say is now what they do
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today and your mother tells you I don't want to see you till 6 o'clock in the
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evening right you'll be home for dinner but that's it but now of course it's all
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different yeah I love I can go to a gig by myself and you chat to some people or
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I'm heading down to Oxford to a festival for a few days and I just go
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myself yeah and you you chat to some people you know yeah my own best company
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as well yeah just get into the car head off drive into Galway or Limerick for an
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hour and arrive there at 11 and be home at half one and it's brilliant yeah
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buzzing buzzing you'll be well look the artist is P-Mad I'm sure if you check
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all the socials it'll be under P-Mad will it Paul? It's at P-Mad the band
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actually it's a bit like a fight I created the band's bit at the end of it
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because if anyone came at me I'd say hold on lads I have a full group of lads
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behind me don't pick on me so it's P-Mad the band or P-Mad the band dot com
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and anywhere you go it's P-M-A-D as in Paul's mad yeah well here it's been a
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real pleasure speaking to you I love the enthusiasm and it's it's quite nice to
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be slightly behaving badly when you got to be a bit older than that yeah behaving
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correctly and behaving yeah honourable nice people and enjoying life yeah and
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if that's if that's bad then that's wrong. Too care thank you very much indeed a
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pleasure Rob thank you you're listening to the late late lunch show with back to
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