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Under Siege 2... But With Raccoons: The Madness of Killer Raccoons 2 · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right. It's that time again. Time for Cinema Yugen.
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Yo hey hey hey welcome
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back eugenite cinema eugen your
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host can't heal back killer raccoons too dark
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christmas in the dark i must claim
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ignorance for i have not seen
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travis o'rion's original killer raccoon film
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and this factor i confess crossed my mind as killer
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raccoons 2 dark christmas in the dark began how much would not knowing the players
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and their origins affect my enjoyment of the sequel truth is in this reviewer's
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opinion not at all once of course I realized what this movie really is.
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And that is what this conversation is all about. Ladies and gentlemen,
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the mastermind behind Killer Raccoons 2, Dark Christmas in the Dark, is my guest.
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Please, put your hands together, welcoming him to Cinema Yugen,
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the wonderful, the magnificent, he's a beautiful powerful man with killer raccoons
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and a love of bad 90s action sequels on the brain we're happy to have him welcome
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to cinema you again travis.
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G'day travis hey thank you so much for having me it's good to be back down under
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i've never been down under, but I'll, I'm good for going down. Maybe not under.
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Anywhere which way you get there will be a good day because we'd be glad to have you.
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Just as I was so thrilled to watch Killer Raccoons, Dark Christmas in the Dark,
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potential cult Christmas film on the rise up there with Die Hard and Gremlins
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and all that good stuff. Mate, this is a great film.
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Thank you for going there. Thank you for doing it. tell us
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a little bit about the journey of killer raccoons to
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dark christmas in the dark well i
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appreciate the comparison to gremlins because i think between diehard
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and gremlins were definitely one or the other there but it is inspired by a
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bad action sequels uh the first movie is a real don't give it away because if
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you give it away then everyone will just jump on that and yeah You know what I know. I know. Right.
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Yes. For the people who know, that's what's nice. For the people who know, they know.
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Yeah. Like I said at the start of my review, I said that I was worried because
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I have to confess, I've not seen the previous Killer Raccoon movie.
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And I was worried about that. Should I go back and watch it?
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You know, that whole thing. Should I watch the first one before I watch the sequel?
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But as I'll say, and I won't divulge it. But once I realized what you were doing.
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I, I, I love it because the, the homage that you're homaging, I, I dig it.
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So yeah, please, sorry for coming you off.
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No, no, that's great because there is a first movie. We made the first one in
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college, uh, when we were all undergraduates at Ohio university in Athens,
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Ohio, in the foothills of Appalachia here in, in the States.
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And, you know, it basically started, I'd never seen a zombie movie and I was
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camping in Florida with my comedy troupe in college.
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And we were camping with some surfers and they were doing surfing and we were
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up to other things, mainly enjoying substances and then going to the movie theater, not the beach.
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And this was early 2000. So I had seen the new remake of Dawn of the Dead and
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I had never seen a zombie movie before.
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And it was very dark. This is the Zack Schneider one you're talking about.
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Yeah. Yeah. Very, yeah. Very dark comedy meets gore.
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And I never really seen, I've seen a couple of movies like that,
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like Bubba Hotep, maybe even going back a long ways.
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Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein is very funny, but very dark as well. Maybe not as gory.
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So I was always drawn to those kinds of movies, but zombie movie,
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never seen one until college right there. And we're camping there in Florida
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and late in the evening, enjoying more college substances and- Vaccines?
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Yeah, absolutely. We start to hear this chatter from around the camp and it's raccoons.
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It's raccoons and they're talking to each other and they're like,
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you know, kind of working their way around the camp. It's like in that movie,
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The Great Outdoors. Yeah.
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Yeah, very much. And yeah, and raccoons have been in films and film lore and
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comedy, things like that for a long time.
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But I basically, enjoying the substances and being inspired by a zombie movie
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for the first time in my entire life, asked my comedy true buddy who was still
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up with me at that time of the night, I said, hey, has anyone ever made a killer raccoon movie ever?
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And this is early 2000s, so none of us had the smartphones the way we do now,
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and we're camping anyway.
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So I wasn't even able to look on Internet Explorer or whatever it was on my
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desktop computer until I was back in the dorms in college. And sure enough,
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no one had ever made a Killer Raccoon movie ever before.
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So we got to work. We made the first one. We were the first undergraduates to
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ever make a feature-length film and finish it and then get a distribution deal
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with Troma Entertainment.
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And for those who know, if you know, you know, Lloyd Kaufman.
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You're like a John Carpenter with Darkstar back in the day.
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I wish, man. I just saw him live in concert, by the way, here in L.A. for Halloween.
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That was very cool. He's still got it, even at 80-plus years old.
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He's incredible. God bless, John.
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Yeah. And I was familiar with Troma, familiar with their work,
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familiar with the fact that they distributed Trey Parker, Matt Stone's college movie. Cannibal.
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Cannibal the Musical. and so Troma was on my radar and I basically just set out to make this movie,
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the first movie with my college comedy troupe and to get it done and get it
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to Troma and all three of those things worked out and Troma,
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Lloyd I remember specifically,
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loved the first movie and so if you want to find the first movie it is findable
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with Troma Entertainment but it is just, you know,
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it's tucked in between their, I think they just
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have it on their Vimeo channel now you know for
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a long for a long time it was on amazon it was on
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youtube and it was it was more findable but poor
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trauma they just got deplatformed from all kinds of
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things in the last few years so if you get their subscription
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i think it's like 4.99 a month and you have
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access to all 800 plus make your
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own damn movies if you will in their catalog
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so that's where you find the first one if you want to know
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the lore of the characters and things like that but as you
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pointed out correctly to see Killer Raccoons 2 you do not need to see the first
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movie because like any good sequel especially bad action sequels in the 90s
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we explain exactly what happened in the first movie to you over and over and
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over in the first 20 minutes of the second movie as you saw right yeah.
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No it's it's beautiful but the way this movie crept up on me once i realized
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what was going on what what what the director was up to i was like because the
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like again i sent the the homage,
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that you present here is is a movie i enjoyed i saw it at the cinema and look
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like oliver stone once talked about cheese in movies there's good cheese and
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there's bad cheese but you you chose some really good cheese to, uh,
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to have a, to have a crack at.
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And the fact that you did it like note for note, I was waiting for it to like,
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veer off the track, pardon the pun, but I was waiting for it to veer off the tracks,
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but you stuck through right to the end, not missing a single beat as far as
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hitting all the, the notes, uh, that you were going for there.
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And man, some of the, like some of the lines, like when Ty slash Casey is saying
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to, uh, Darlene, sorry for that stuff up too, by the way, some of these things
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all start to blend together.
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You know, when you watch too many movies like me, but yeah, when he,
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when he says to her, you know, at the near the end where he says,
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oh damn, you look when I realized like he didn't have time to tell her about how her sister died.
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Like, you know, I want to tell you about my dead girlfriend,
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how your dead sister died.
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Like, I think he actually says that line. That's how he says it.
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He says, I'll get around to telling you how your dead sister died.
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And yeah, just, just great. And the fact that you, the fact that he,
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and then Ron Jeremy shows up.
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Right yeah talk about on
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talk about wrong jeremy's involvement in this man how did
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that happen oh well very tangential honestly
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we i i guess i i almost like you said don't want to spoil it but after we finished
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the first after we finished the first movie and and sold it signed it away to
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troma and by sell it i mean like for zero dollars and they informed us up top
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when we We were 21 years old that we'd never make any money on the movie.
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But, you know, for trauma, again, to distribute our college movie that we made
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for five grand or whatever, it was a big deal. Right.
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And so I remember the summer after we graduated, you know, we'd have TNT on or whatever.
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You know, it was the post-senior year, post-graduation summer in sleepy Athens, Ohio.
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And under siege two was on the
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tnt like 24 hours a day just like over
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and over and over right one of these 90s action sequels
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yeah and i remember seeing under siege two in
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a family van the bork family had invited me
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down after sixth grade for a trip to north carolina
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and we had a bunch of movies on
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vhs so we pop them in and so i first saw
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under siege two when i was 12 years old and that's in
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a van and even that i
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on this small tiny tv i was like this movie sucks
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and then when it came back after college after we had finished you know the
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first killer raccoon movie sure enough me and my friends again post-college
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probably a few more substances we're just watching you know hanging out and
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just watching under siege 2 like over and over every day.
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And I'm just like, Under Sage 2 is like your troll too.
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Very much. I mean, I would say it's even worse. It's even, you know, it was just something.
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And I remembered it from seeing it when I was 12.
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Me and my friends, shout out to my friends when we all, you know,
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some of my actors and some of my crew from the first movie, we were all watching it.
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And we were all just, we kind of had that same idea at the same time.
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It's like, if we ever make a sequel to this stupid ass killer raccoon movie,
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it should just be Under Siege 2. and the bad guys are raccoons and we replace
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the good guys with all of our characters.
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Like we mapped it all out way back in early 2000s,
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And then all went our separate ways after college. Troma released the movie
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and, you know, it never really made any money.
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But, you know, it kind of gained cult status in the Troma fan world.
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And it must have been like seven years later.
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Me and my college buddies got together in Chicago to shoot, I think it was a
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pilot that my friend was making for his graduate degree.
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And we all got together and they were like, so what are we making?
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What are we doing raccoons to?
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What are we doing that? I'm like, whoa, whoa, fellas, you don't want to do this.
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And they're like, yeah, we actually, it was such a fun idea.
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It was just going to be Under Siege 2, but with raccoons, right?
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And I was like, so we're in Chicago, and this must have been, like, 2013.
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And sure enough, we rent, or, you know, I think someone even had a VHS tape
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of it. Right. Under Siege 2, and we pop it in.
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And now we're adults, but we're still enjoying some substances.
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And we just are cracking jokes the entire movie, just like. And it all kind
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of came back to me of how it was supposed to work.
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So 2015, I had some time.
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I was living in New York in between getting a journalism degree and hustling freelance work.
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And I was just like, you know what? It's time to make this happen.
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And it was the dead of winter.
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And in New York, it's very cold. So I rented Under Siege 2 on streaming.
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And the script writing process was literally watching
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under siege to pausing writing the
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script with our characters and then hitting play again
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and then pause again and just it was just that play pause right play pause right
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and i got basically i i want to say a couple drafts done to copyright it in
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2015 and then you know we had some crazy political stuff happen here in the
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States over the next few years.
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Yeah. But by 2017 with the script, basically, you know, the, the core of it was there.
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That's when my production company finally.
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Did enough branded content work and other things in
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new york that we had raised a chunk of
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money and i told all my business partners like hey
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nobody touched this because this is for killer
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records too if and when we can make it happen and 2017 was the year that we
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just i don't know you know how it is money it's lightning in a bottle when you
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make a movie yeah but we we in 2017 was when I went back to the script and we
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added diehard two and equally,
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some people say diehard two is good.
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I don't see it. I, you know, diehard.
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Yeah, nah, I've always had a problem. I always skip and just go to diehard with
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a vengeance, which I prefer. Yeah.
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Yeah. Diehard two, even though, even though, you know, the story behind that,
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that wasn't, that was originally never a diehard movie.
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They're just cross-section did it into a diehard movie, but yeah.
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Yeah. I do prefer that to Die Hard 2, which is, I'm not saying it's lame,
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but it's kind of like, it's not like Under Siege 2 is to Under Siege.
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It's not like Die Hard 2 is to Die Hard because Under Siege 2 kind of tries
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to hit all the same marks that Under Siege did, except instead of on a battleship, it's now on a train.
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In but it's essentially the plot of the first film rehashed yet again but now
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it's on a train whereas with diehard 2 it's not.
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It's not kind of the same plot as the, the Nakatomi building thing.
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Cause you've got the stuff going on the plane and you've got the Franco Nero
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thing, and then you've got the William Sadler thing.
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So it's multiple, there's multiple stuff going on as opposed to like,
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oh yeah, he's trapped in a building with a bunch of terrorists, you know? Right.
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Even though they do hit some of the same jokes, you know, like,
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you know, when it's a same fucking time of year, same fucking air shaft or whatever it is, you know?
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Yeah well in fact that's that's a line john mcclain
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says in diehard 2 that i lifted directly and put
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it into killer raccoons 2 is how can the same shit happen to the same guy twice
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yeah yeah yeah you know so diehard 2 was it added that christmas element before
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we were just going to do killer raccoons 2 as another summer movie right and
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then quickly after seeing diehard 2 i I was like, oh,
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this, we got to just, I just fused the two together.
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Took a few elements from Speed 2, which is also comically bad.
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But you're right. It was this thing in the 90s where they were like, the franchise works.
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And so the strategy is, let's just do the same thing again, but different.
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And that was kind of the idea. Obviously, in between our first movie and the
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second movie, it's completely different.
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But it's fun to, again, hit those notes of the, the, uh, the bad nineties action
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sequel as if, you know, he's fighting raccoons again.
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So here we go. And that's kind of. I had an interesting interview once with
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John Ottman, the composer slash editor who used to work a lot with Brian Singer.
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And he talked, when I was interviewing him, he was talking about a score,
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one of a score he was very proud of for a film he wrote that starred Jason Patrick.
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And in the film, he was playing a forger, like an art.
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Forger you know and he said
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man that movie was going to be so huge and it was really
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going to he thought propel jason patrick and
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he said but then speed two came out
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oh no speed two
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is i mean that will willem dafoe is
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good as the bad guy obviously who sleeps in
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the bath full of leeches yeah or whatever
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yeah that's their homage to sadler's character
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in diehard 2 where he's just doing yoga naked
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inexplicably at the at the beginning of the movie but yeah
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like i remember seeing speed 2 and just like
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wow jason patrick's hairline is so bad they just zoom
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in on him on every single a shot so but there's all those same elements you
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know like morris chestnuts the uh the black sidekick in under siege 2 um sandra
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bullock they have a black sidekick who works on the boat and speed to is just,
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I don't know what it was in the nineties and then computers.
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It was always like a Willem Dafoe had the computer programming for the cruise ship.
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There was always, yeah. There was always a guy who was like the evil hacker, part of the team.
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Yeah. Like even in, even in GoldenEye, like the, the, the first of the Pierce
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Brosnan Bonds, you had Alan Huming as the, the evil.
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Yeah. Well, even Dennis, you could say Dennis Nedry from, from the first Jurassic Park too.
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Right. Yeah. But there was an element. Seinfeld. yes
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of course i figured his name but you know who i'm talking about
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now yeah of course wayne knight he was wayne knight that's
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him yeah it is not the 90s for wayne knight were very good
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to him it's yeah yeah i don't know what he's doing
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now the the difference is like night and day thanks so
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much i also like him in that tim allen movie uh
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for richer or poorer where he's the dude who embezzles all that's
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money oh he plays like
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he's he plays his financial advisor or something it's yeah
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yeah but but to
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your point like yeah the 90s they especially in sequels
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they were just like boy computers can really disrupt a lot of stuff so the guy
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who knows the computer and that's the thing with under siege too it's eric bogosian
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yes to this day because my name's travis and i remember seeing the movie when
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i was 12 and be like the bad guy's name is travis which is still so funny because he is.
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Again, they got to build them up. He has no link to the first movie.
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And that's where we thought, you know, in our movie, we're actually making Under
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Siege 2 better because we're actually building on stuff that happens in the
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first movie. There's a connection.
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Yeah, exactly. I love how all the evil dudes in your movie have eye patches too.
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Yeah, that was the thing we definitely came up with on substances,
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either in college or as adults.
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No, I love it. I'm still hoping to write a film or work on a film where one
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of the characters has an eye patch.
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It's a it's a thing or make all of them have eye patches yeah why not and what's
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fun is when they all weren't in the same shot together i think we only had like
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two or three eye patches so we never really you know that we just i'm sorry
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you're gonna have to share an eye patch yeah i mean it was a low budget movie you know yeah so.
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What do you want? Your own eye patch? Are you kidding? No, can't do that here.
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You'll be sharing with, uh, with the, but we have a buddy system here.
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When he's not on camera, he's got that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah.
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Same with the little guns that the raccoons had.
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Um, and for, by the way, for people who can't tell, those are dead frozen raccoons in the movie.
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And the reason we do that is because dead frozen raccoons,
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especially in the state of ohio where i'm from uh are zero dollars because um
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pest control companies have to capture the raccoon and then kill it legally
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because it's a pest yeah they don't just release it back to the wild somewhere
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else they have to gas it freeze it and throw it away to kill all the diseases,
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and this was the trick we learned on the first movie when we were in college
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because we were going to taxidermy them and every time i read a review you know
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letterboxd or whatever somebody's like, oh, they're taxidermy raccoons.
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Nah, taxidermy raccoons would be like $600 a pop.
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And we don't have that kind of money. But in the biology community,
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raccoons are very famous for playing pranks on each other.
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Biologists will use dead frozen raccoons to play pranks on each other because
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you get a dead frozen raccoon, they're usually like curled up in a ball because
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they've been gassed and, you know, killed that way.
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But they're very malleable if you thaw them out and You can put them in fun
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positions and then refreeze them.
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And then they stay like that, you know, until they start to thaw out again.
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So the first movie, again, we shot in the summer in the early 2000s.
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And those raccoons, by the end of the shoot, would get quite droopy.
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And I'm happy to report that for Killer Raccoons 2, because we shot it around Christmas time.
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Those raccoons would stay frozen the whole time, holding their little guns.
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And then we put them back in their freezer to work another day.
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We called the freezer their green room and I'm told they were very happy with it.
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Awesome. That's,
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You learn something new every day. Frozen raccoons. No money.
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So if you're really, really, if you're really, really hungry, can you eat them?
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I would not recommend it. First of all, as it's evolved as raccoons have been, I'll never eat.
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Yeah. I'll never eat raccoon. I'll never turn on my own kind is how I feel about
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it. Right. Yeah. But apparently because.
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But if I'm in a plane crash in the Andes and there's only like frozen raccoons
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and, you know. They are. Yes, they are.
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Edible it's just like any raccoon they
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are what they or like any animal they are what they eat and
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raccoons eat garbage and so raccoon meat is
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known to be very stringy and
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greasy and oily and there is so weird you know when raccoons are in the news
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people send me articles all the time there is a place in ohio in my home state
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where they've had a raccoon dinner an annual raccoon dinner every year for almost
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a hundred years, like since the 1920s.
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And because the raccoon meat's so greasy and oily and stringy,
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it's apparently really good for chili.
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So that would be, if you're in the Andes and you got dead frozen raccoons and
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you got to eat, make it into chili. Instead of people. Don't try to eat it.
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Yeah. Oh, please. Well, you know, that's a different movie entirely.
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Yeah. Yeah, but another, speaking about, since we're on the subject of homage,
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is the spacecraft, you know, with the ray gun on it, is that Austin Powers inspired,
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the fact it looks like a Woody Harrelson? Yeah.
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Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. What was Austin powers too? I think that was our nod to Austin powers too.
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I forget when they had that satellite, but no, I mean, that was kind of a dumb
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joke for, from under siege too, that I think I had that joke when I was 12,
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you know, my brain was immediately like, I forget what they call it.
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You know yeah well we call it the
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pen 15 yeah and now you know since penis yeah
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exactly so you know
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and we but we call it the pen 15 the whole time and we only call it the pen
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15 yeah no it's good it's good you know that's that's what that's what like
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what that's what people don't realize that's what make these things work is
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like the more serious the characters play it that's what where you get that
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unintentional comedy from like people people think like it's just comedy but.
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Unintentionally funny is pretty tough to do and it
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usually relies on the actors playing it like dead
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serious like this is real they're right they're in
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it you know because yeah well that's where
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you'll get the laughs from is the fact that they're so serious yeah
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and that's why you mentioned it earlier but
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that's why we always our hero we always call his
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first love interest that girl's dead sister
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he always refers to her as the dead girl i lost
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my virginia yeah my dead girl your dead sister i'll tell
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you how your dead sister died and that's we just that was
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kind of born on set and then we kind of just like
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made sure it was like okay every time you mention her you have to mention she's
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dead yeah you gotta yeah part of her pronouns at this point yeah no it's it's
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it is it is important that that there is this sincerity there because like even
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in under siege too, like Eric Boghossian is a great actor.
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He's fantastic. Great actor. And he's playing that scenery chewing...
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To the hilt, like balls deep. He's, you know, like even at the end,
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like, I love the fact that even, you know, that bit at the end where he like
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jumps right back, right back,
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you know, right before he like, you know, falls into the explosion,
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but an Everett McGill, let's not forget the mighty Everett McGill.
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The heavy. Yeah. Yeah.
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Pying that to perfection. I love that bit where she, where, uh,
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Catherine Heigl maces him.
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And he like just goes, oh, and then he takes it off and goes, pepper spray, you know.
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Cause he's so hardcore. He can just like, you know, he drinks mace for breakfast.
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Right. Yeah. Well, and like you said, under siege too.
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Yeah. It, it, it started Catherine Heigl's career.
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It started Morris Chestnut's career and it ended Eric Bogosian's career. He still does TV.
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In fact, I do want to tell a quick story. And he was really good in uncut gems as well.
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Yeah oh yeah i deep down
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i wish i could have gotten eric bogosian that would have
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been fantastic to play to play ron jeremy's role ron
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jeremy unfortunately was the only one he is ron has done trauma movies before
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he's actually in trey parker and matt stone's yes second movie um orgasmo orgasmo
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that's right yeah as jizz master zero and he yeah he was the only guy who would do it for $500.
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And, you know, and then like literally right after we shot with him,
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that's when he, he got charged with all kinds of terrible things.
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So we're not condoning anything he's accused of doing, but I do know for a fact
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that this is going to be his last movie because we couldn't take him out.
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We didn't have money to take him out.
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And then our distributor was like, you know, I remember saying to our distributor,
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like, Hey, we can reshoot that stuff or whatever you guys want to do.
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And they're like, Oh, when he dies in prison, this is the last movie he's ever
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going to make, which makes it even weirder and cultier and, and all that stuff.
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You know, I look at how people are just now waking up to the fact that he's
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in Ghostbusters, like in the background.
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Yeah, exactly. So. He did a lot. Did you ever read his book?
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He wrote a book a ways back called the hardest working man in show business.
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Yes, I heard of it. I had not read it. Yeah, but man, he did everything.
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He would go to the opening of an envelope, that dude.
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He wanted to be an actor so bad, regardless of what he's done and how it's all ended up.
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Man, he did work hard. Look, he turned up for anything.
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That's why he's in Ghostbusters in the background.
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You see him pop up randomly in films like Boondock Saints.
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Right. You know, it's like, hey, that's what you do.
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And again, it's just, you know, like you said, we're a small,
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low-budget movie, and the best we can hope for is to be a cult Christmas classic over the years.
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And this, just him being in that movie, and it's going to be his last movie
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ever, it just adds that weird extra cult layer on top of the whole thing.
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But I did want to- What's kind of poetic about this, though,
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sorry for cutting you off again, what's kind of poetic about this though is,
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is this film could be like, it could become the under siege too, for like someone else.
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But one day your kids are going to be like you went like you,
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when you were watching under siege too, they're going to be watching killer raccoons too.
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And then one day want to make a film that homage is.
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Killer raccoons to yeah thinking that
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they're only homaging raccoons to not knowing that
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they're also homaging under siege to well especially
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with tubi gen z and gen alpha they are
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discovering killer raccoons too and and so
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that's what's nice about you know when the movie's on tubi and
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people can watch it with ads for free it really
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you know we our letterbox reviews exploded you
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know in number and well it's it's kind of like you
29:52
pointed out people either love it or they hate it it's
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all five star reviews or one star reviews and there's no
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in between it's a it's a very divisive film oh
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well you know what we live in divisive times we
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definitely here in this we do don't we there's like two sides
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and no in between but yeah which is sad that's no way to make a sandwich you
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need stuff in the middle otherwise just two slices of bread and that's kind
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of boring yeah but there's nothing boring ladies and gentlemen about killer
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raccoons to dark Christmas in the dark.
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I love how, yeah, you even got the dark territory in there with the dark Christmas.
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You got it all in there. You did the whole nine yards. This is a love letter.
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Or as I said in my, my review, a Valentine.
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Hey, there we go. That'll be a good holiday for the third one.
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It's Valentine's day. A Valentine to Halloween.
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What some might say a, a very crappy sequel, but look, one man's garbage is
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another man's Greek yogurt. I don't know.
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That's the, that's the raccoon rule. One man's garbage is another raccoon's
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dinner. So thank you. There you go. There you go.
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So yeah, before we get too far off the rails, mate, tell our,
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our wonderful listening audience the best place to get their killer raccoons on.
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Well, here in the States, it's on TubeBee. It is available this year in Great Britain and Australia.
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Cool. The nice thing is you type in Killer Raccoons into your streaming device,
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and it will be the only movie that pops up.
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Yeah. So YouTube, it's for sale.
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Amazon Prime, it's for sale. Cool.
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We've found it everywhere. Going physical?
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What's that? Are you going for a physical, Blu-ray, DVD, anything like that?
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DVDs are available from our distributor, Indican Pictures.
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So if you go to their website, indicanpictures.com, we are in the,
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I believe, older releases.
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They move us around on their website accordingly, but we will be there.
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We are a very findable movie, I will say. Awesome.
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We'll put all those links in the description. Travis, God bless you. Thank you so much.
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I really love this movie. I like Under Siege 2.
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I, I love the fact that the poster had him in his whites, like in his dress
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whites, and he doesn't get into them until that last shot, standing at the brother's grave. Yeah.
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But there was no mention of a brother in under siege.
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And now all of a sudden he's got a brother who's dead and he's got to go home
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for the funeral with his niece who doesn't like him.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah i know they couldn't even yeah don't get me started there's there's no
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crossover between under siege one and under siege two yeah step stephen seagal
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and that's it yeah and i mean they couldn't bring back tommy lee jones because
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he got stabbed in the face.
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But you know maybe they should have maybe let's see they never they never they
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never think like that far or they never used to think that far ahead you know
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like what happened with right And Highlander two, um,
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you know, it's just like, if you, you, if you close off the ending and it's
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an, it's ended, um, you know, well, that's the end. Like, it's okay.
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You bring the character back.
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But, you know, as you said, it was a trend back in the 90s to just do the first
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film again. But, oh, this time it's on a boat instead of a bus.
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Right. Right. It's on a train instead of a boat. Yeah, there you go.
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Now it's on a bus instead of a train. Yeah.
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Or it's in outer space instead of the old west.
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But. That'll be the third one. We, we. Oh, yes.
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Do like Tremors. Was it Tremors 4? Yeah, I think it was Tremors 4.
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Yeah, or one of the leper. Five, it
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went back to like, it's called Back to Perfection or something like that.
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Yes, yes. Yeah, we would just be moon base on the moon and it'd be Aliens 3
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and a couple other things. Awesome.
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Where we're going, we don't need raccoons. Exactly.
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Mate, it's been fantastic to talk to you. I wish you all the best with your future productions.
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Thank you. Thank you. Making this movie and thank you for being on Cinema Yugen.
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Thank you so much yes killer raccoons
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to dark christmas in the dark travis
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vine this is such a splendid splendid
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movie folks if you didn't listen to this and want to go out and see this picture
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well i don't know christmas is coming and this this is technically a christmas
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movie and I think the burgeoning of a cult Christmas classic.
34:48
Killer Raccoons 2 Dark Christmas in the Dark.
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Travis Irvine. What a legend. Check the links in the description.
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And as always, my little Eugenites, thank you for listening to us on Spotify
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