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2 Maccabees Chapter 6: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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  [SPEAKER_02]: I spent!
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you even have a clue where the fuck we all are when we're doing?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we haven't been on it with our episodes lately, but regular.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Regular, regular.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But the last time we did a regular episode, it was second macabees chapter five.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, fuck life.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And in that episode, we had the sky cavalry.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So there was that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then we had a bunch of like,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: murder shit or a Jason thought and Tyacus was dead and then Jason went and did some bad things and then Tyacus was like, oh shit, I'm still alive, you know, I'm going to go do some more bad things to you and then just just kind of went all all bad and then and then Judas Maccabee showed up and then they fled into the woods and then we did a Q&A over one through five because we were like,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What is going on right now?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely need that Q&A.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I was confused as fuck.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So is I.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Truth be told, I'm still a little confused.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought as much as I was, which seems about on par with the Russian people as a whole.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think there's any truly understanding where the fuck this came from.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Not in, like, told.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because you had to be there, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like a lot of you had to be there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you know, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Guess what I don't know right right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was second macabees chapter five Which means that today we're getting into second macadudos chapter six.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay All right, we are hopping into second macadudos chapter six.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so not long after this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Not after this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the Sky Cavalry, the death of everybody.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The back of Doodle, they ran into the cave.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're eating the things that they're only supposed to be eating.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the end of chapter five.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not defiling themselves.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So no long after this, the king sent out an old man of Athens, an old man of Athens.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: to compel the Jews, to depart from the laws of their fathers and not to live by the laws of God.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And also to pollute the sanctuary in Jerusalem and to call it by the name of Olympian Zeus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And to call the sanctuary in
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The reason for that is, by the name of Zeus, the protector of foreigners.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So one's going to be Zeus and one's like Zeus with an extra long title.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even as the people who lived in that place did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they are really trying to a squash Jewish stuff and be move Greek stuff in right they're like be Greek Yeah, yeah, I mean Jewish be Greek right all like Greek things yeah, yeah, Greek stuff Stop chopping up your four skins and call everything zoos my goodness right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's be wrong with you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't it's all great to me
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not Greek enough.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We about to kill you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Greeks are saying.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Be Greek.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The visitation of this evil was harsh and utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's an partial.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that is an opinion.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That is based on the writers.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, opinion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you can't just say that something is harsh and utterly grave and there's not a fact.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Although a murder of children is also harsh and utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And slavery is harsh and utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A holocaust is harsh and utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you have like an outside perspective weighing in on it, they can say that it's harsh and not really grievous, but it has to be somebody that's weighing both sides.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the Palestinians are allowed to say what is happening to us is fucking harsh and utterly grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think you have to necessarily not be the victim to be allowed to say that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What is happening to you is harsh and not only grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a hard time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's sympathizing with these folks.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess it's not that I have a hard time sympathizing with them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's that I feel like they've done a lot of the same things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a matter of who has more power in any given moment.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I mean.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I see you over there this time you're on the bottom.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I've seen you on the top.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know you are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I read the Old Testament.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I know who you are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And your God is mean.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what was the harsh and ugly grievance?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of, I don't know, fuck off a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not that we're going to me way, way, way, way, way, way, way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry that she's having sorry that people are being mean and I'll be.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll totally agree with you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What if nobody is harsh and utterly grievous?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That would be awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Peace.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So nice.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Love.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What if tranquility?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't have the rich and the lead, raping children and eating babies.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That would be much better place than we are in currently.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the opposite of harsh and utterly fucking grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That is definitely harsh.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the grievous.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: For the temple was filled with debotory and reveling by the heathen.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Not debotory.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Revealing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Revealing by the heathen.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dallied with prostitutes.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, they did, they dilly their dallies.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They dilly their dilly's.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they dilly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They had in our course with women within the sacred precincts.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they'd be fucking in the cloakroom.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, they're doing a good job at profaning those places.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that smoking in the boy's room should be fucking in the cloakroom.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't that be funny?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm talking about?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the- It was not like crew.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, I'm not like crew.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But I get that one mixed up with BC boys, like, because they had the right to party, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Was that the?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did have the right to party.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And the spoken and the boys were always kind of goes, like, I love BC boys.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah, but quick, smokes, too bad.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So those two songs and in particular, always get mixed up with my mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, so they'd be fucking all over the place, fucking prostitutes, et cetera, et cetera.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And more over, brought inside things that were not appropriate.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: More over.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They brought inside things that were not appropriate.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Beyond prostitutes and fucking in the temple.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: In the churches, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The altar was filled with those abominable things which had been prohibited by the laws.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think they were?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably Zeus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Probably Einstein.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like they were things that were not there, religion.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They were other religions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were bringing in, they were bringing in little pocket a shareable.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then also they fucked in there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't a good time for those people.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, you know, that's not what you guys do in there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're supposed to splatter blood on the east west and north wall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fuck people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but not this person anyways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a man could neither keep the Sabbath nor observe the feasts of their ancestors nor so much as confess himself to be a Jew on the day of the King's birth every month.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, the king can't be born every month.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, but he that date reappears every month.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, like if you were born on the 15th every month on the 15th.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's your birthday.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's your birthday.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Man, I want that life.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: On the day of the king's birth, every month, they were led along with bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When the Feast of Dionysia came, that's Dionysus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were compelled to go in procession in honor of Dionysus.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Waring reads of Ivy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, they had to do all the Greek things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I suppose if you're trying to convert people to your, you know, ways.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta go, you gotta go make them do your things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta go Greek hard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why when they say when in Greece.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's where that phrase.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was Rome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When in Rome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all Greek to me when in Rome.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: both of those.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a decree went out to the neighboring Greek cities by the suggestion of tolemy that they should observe the same conduct against the Jews and should make them eat of the sacrifices, and that they should kill those who didn't choose to go over to the Greek rights.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Damn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, I'm not just trying to Greek.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to Greek you up over there as well.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and we are fucking around.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, here a Greek, there a Greek, everywhere a Greek, don't be not Greek.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or we'll kill you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So the print, I could see now why the Jewish men then would go through the painful procedures of trying to... Well, yeah, it's better than dying.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, some men might die.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Or get forced to put back on your penis.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But by very pink surgery measure in ancient times or slicing it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was not we wanted to detail it was up in the Q&A.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to detail in the Q&A if you really want to squeam a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Squeam.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Husband was over here he was squeamin so hard.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So the present misery was for all to see, yeah, it was, for example, two women were brought in for having circumcised their children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These, when they had led them publicly around the city with the babes hung from their breasts, they threw down headlong from the wall, you know?
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  [UNKNOWN]: Damn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were like rough bitch by.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just were like that's what you get for chopping the four skin off of your baby's penis.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, such makes feelings because I'm like, yeah, I don't think that Fucking up your kids penis is the way to go, but not like at the cost of and now you're both going to get pushed off of the wall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I take away here is that things can get worse.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Others who had run together into the caves nearby to keep the seventh day secretly, were betrayed to fill up and were all burned together.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were keeping the Sabbath on the slide.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And because their piety kept them from defending themselves in view of the honor of that most solemn day.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That was where they were in the first macabees, where they went after them on the Sabbath and they didn't defend themselves because of the Sabbath's.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They were fighting.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I urge those who read this book, this is the book reading this, not me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making this up to this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I urge those who read this book to not be discouraged because of the calamities, but recognize that these punishments were not for the destruction but for the chasening of our race.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: for indeed it is a sign of greatness that those who act impiously are not let alone for a long time, but immediately meet with retribution.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This guy is like, it's good that we were harmed because we had it come in.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is some victim, victim, um, um, not victim blaming victim, um, like we
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  [SPEAKER_00]: we should have been better self-deprecation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it's brainwashing yourself into accepting punishment.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's tragic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, no, don't be sad.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We should be spaying to when we fuck the fuck up.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We love dying.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We love getting punished and let's be honest, they're like based on what we're reading in this book, second macabees.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like it was written after these events were happened, right?
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was written.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is someone writing about it after it's over.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: and they're trying to figure out why these things would happen to a godly people, right?
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's why also I said, you know, the first Mac of ease was, or I'm sorry, the first few chapters were like about God protects you when you are.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: good and proper, and he punishes you when you turn from him.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's saying this is this is right.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: What happened here is hard to read, but it's the right thing because these people had turned away from God.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Except for the people that died.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: being dropped in their heads after circumcising their kids.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was they were doing the right thing and they still.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the people that ran away to worship the Sabbath and the caves were doing the right thing and they died.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were alive for the right things.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is that it's the Jewish individual is being punished for the Jews as a whole having turned away.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The individual
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just it's the collective world where this God can change people's hearts and do all the things like I just don't agree with this No, I don't know.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not appropriate punishment.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I totally agree.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I stopped to make a point Yeah, this is trash right.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is grievous.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is oh, yeah, but he fucking grievous.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: For in the case of the other nations, the sovereign Lord waits patiently to punish them until they have attained to the full measure of their sins, but not with us that he may not take vengeance on us afterward, but when we have come to the height of our sins.
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, he never withdraws his mercy from us, but though he chastens with calamity, he doesn't forsake his own people.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is saying that he always loves us, but he punishes us immediately when we fuck the fuck up.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or when you do write apparently.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it's, you know, for the greater good.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, you have to look at it as the Jewish people as a whole.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: What the individual is.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Except for when it's not, sometimes it is individual.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, if the individual misbehaves the entire group gets punished, that's part of what is supposed to collectively make each individual behave because the weight of the entire group is on your behavior.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: The group will get punished collectively for your misbehavior.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your one act of goodness will not redeem either you or your group.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes them a solid people and makes each of them responsible unto each other.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I feel like punishment has changed over time because it used to be that if somebody fucked up, he would punish their family for 10 generations.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: If somebody fucked up, he would, you know, like when there was the rebellion against Moses, then he would kill the people that were rallying against Moses, right?
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was the people doing the bad act at some points, but not always.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like right now, we're punishing collectively because all of the Jewish people fucked up and we're supposed to just not remember there's other times where and sometimes he punishes the correct people but sometimes he punishes all the people well let's keep in mind
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: the historicity of this.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is, you're talking about the way that this fake God, right?
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about the way the God behaved early on when there were fewer people and so it was about each individual tribe, right?
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're talking about, I mean,
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: the Jews are like all over the place.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So in order to make it hit home better and bigger, you can't just punish the tribe.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to punish the entire people as a whole.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the greater late before it was just the Jews.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this God has been wishy-washy from the get-go.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He punished all the Jews for, they wondered for 40 years, you know, that wasn't an individual punishment.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But then somehow, there is no consistency to it as well as getting that.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree with you on that.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is more of that inconsistency in my opinion.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's always better to say, oh, these people, they all got punished.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: That, that is.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is just people, these are, these are human beings, making excuses for why they got fucked up.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's all it is.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I, yeah, definitely.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just trying to put it into context of what a believer might think.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I cobbled shit on it.
• 17:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, let this, that we have spoken suffice to remind you, but after a few words, we must come to the narrative.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's him going so anyways, or okay, but I digress, right?
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he was seeing just in.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So here goes the story.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eli is our one of the principal scribes, a man already well advanced in years, and of a noble countenance was compelled to open his mouth to eat swines flesh.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: he was compelled to eat pork.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you don't need that much effort to compel me to eat.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also get compelled to eat pork, but I don't say that somebody else compeled me.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just love bacon and it smells good.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's some pork cooking right now, actually.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We do, we're having,
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ham and beans, beans and ham, but you know what, we didn't get any cottage cheese to go with it.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's some in the fridge.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we ate it all.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Last time I made beans.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to go out and get some fucking cottage cheese.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, listen, I love cottage cheese in my beans and ham.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up eating it that way and I have been told that that is a weird thing to do.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I I approve of it.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do it when I was growing up, but I I don't know if anybody else that did.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I will give you that it is weird.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is not the norm.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's also delicious.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I fucking love it.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad to have brought that into your life.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so anyway, he wanted to eat some pork, but he's like something compelled me, but he welcoming depth with honor rather than life with defilement, advanced of his own accord to the instrument of torture.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for spat out the flash as men ought to come who are resolute to repel such things as not even for the natural love of life, is it lawful to taste?
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: see.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, I'm compelled to take a bite of this.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just going to be really smells so good.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he was like, Oh, fuck me.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it worth getting punished for eternity?
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was that show we watched with the Jewish pastor and the girl that that
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dated them and nobody wants this.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wants this, yes.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the favorites scenes from that.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's on Netflix.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the girl brought like a dish to the family gathering, the Jewish family gathering.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it had like bacon on her something.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she had no clue.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, she had no clue.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then they all got mad at her.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: The mom especially got mad at her.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, but no, I can look.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could just take the pork off and we're like, right.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you literally can't.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the mom who was the most mad took this thing into the kitchen to get rid of it.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: to quote unquote get rid of it and then the girlfriend decides to confront and be like I'm going to clear this up.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make this right and then so she walks in the kitchen and the mom is in there just like shoveling the bacon in like...
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: She went to her mouth and then the girlfriend was like, oh, I see how it is.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then they their relationship changed after that because the girlfriend never even hinted at Rating her out.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: She never read it or out.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of changed.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a little bit of respect earned that day because
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, you saw me at my lowest A and then B, you didn't tell anybody.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was a little bit of, I just thought that was funny.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, that's a really good show and it's interesting because it is about a Jewish person and a very agnostic, like, doesn't even think about it.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say atheists, like there's even think about believing.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like isn't even like what is God?
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the show isn't about their belief in God or them having like God conversations, the whole thing of their relationship.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: is about his Jewish lifestyle and whether she should become Jewish in order to be part of his life.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they talk about Judaism and Jewish life, but they never talk about God.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just find that to be one of the most fascinating parts of the show.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even brought up that they're not talking about God.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't even know that anybody notices that.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's brought up the traditions and the
• 21:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Practice of being Jewish, the lifestyle of being Jewish.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the spirituality of it, like there is a little bit the special with him.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they never talk about God.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not once.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do they talk about God?
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: The show is called Nobody Wants This.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Highly Recommended.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's highly sacrilegious.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's right up my own brother.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember his name but he's he brings home the show Honestly the brother of the pastor guy the brother of the whatever not pastor But Rabbi his name on the show is Sasha yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's talking hilarious He's the gem of the show.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right continuing on with chapter six of the macadudos right of the second macadure
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But those who had the charge of that forbidden sacrificial feast took the manicide for the acquaintance, which of old times they had with him, and privately implored him to bring flesh of his own, such as was proper for him to use, and to make as if he did eat of the flesh from the sacrifice as had been commanded by the king.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: that by doing so he might be delivered from death and so his ancient friendship with them might be treated kindly.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So basically his friends are like, bro, we don't want you to die.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm right.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're Jewish, but you're our friends.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just pretend like you hit it.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And which is kind of cool because these are like basically Greek people and their Jewish friend, right, they're like, we don't want either die over something stupid.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you don't understand, it's not stupid to me.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and they were even like, look, you don't even have to eat it, man, just like, we don't just pretend like you did.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't care just fucking go along.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, throw it through the side of your mouth and just like,
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be like, totally ate it.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw him eat it, juicy him, yeah, yeah, no, we both all needed.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he having formed a high resolve and one that became his years, the dignity of old age and the gray hairs which he had reached with honor and his excellent education from a child or rather the holy laws of gods ordaining declared his mind accordingly, bidding them to quickly send him to Hades.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether that's a place or an idea isn't made clear, but he's like, no, you know, what?
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that I was even tempted, like, I deserve what comms and I'm not going to heal a Drew his line and the sand for himself and his people and his upbringing.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can respect that.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I do feel I think that the introduction of Hades to the Jewish people kind of was some of the
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, as it stands today, so like maybe that makes sense in the context what we're talking about these people were very much a part of their lives, you know, the the Greeks were all in intermixed with all these Jewish folks and so speaking of Hades was probably the same as speaking of what the Jewish people call it it was, uh, uh, Gahanna, Gahanna, yeah, yeah, so like the the wording probably just replaced.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: the other.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the thoughts.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's like looking them straight in the eyes and saying like I really appreciate you friends taking up for me.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But listen, listen, go ahead and send me to Hades to your hell.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your hell.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I take that.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I accept that.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's really interesting.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know,
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now he's gonna say some things.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, quote, for it doesn't become our years to disemble.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, disemble meaning lie.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't become our age, how old I am to lie.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That many of the young should suppose that Elias are, the man of 90 years has gone over to an alien religion.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, damn, he's like, I'm too old.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want people to think that of me.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've been Jewish my whole life, I'm a died Jewish.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so they by reason of my deception and for the sake of this brief and momentary life would be let astray because of me.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I defile and disgrace myself in my old age.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ben, that is like strength of character, honestly.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's in his 90s and he's like, I can respond.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want kids to look at me as the model of, like, look at what happened to Elias are.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He changed out and you should too, like, no, me.
• 26:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is really impressive.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, assuming that it actually happened.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, obviously.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, like, this, this is a cool story.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cool story, bro, but for real.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: For even if,
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: For the present time, I would remove from me the punishment of men.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yet, whether I live or die, I wouldn't escape the hands of the Almighty.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's basically saying God knows my heart.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, by bravely parting with my life now, I will show myself worthy of my old age and leave behind a noble example to the young to die willingly and nobly, a glorious death for the revered and holy laws.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little bit torn here, like I love the conviction that he has for his beliefs and for what he does, everything, but at the same time,
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, it's part of my dislike of religion, right?
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like this, this belief that you, you hold to this idea of this God more than anything else in life, right?
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's such a,
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: it causes so many problems in the world.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like religiosity in general.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think in this case, it's admirable because he's being told, go with our God instead of yours and he's saying, no, I will die for my God.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I love the conviction.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not saying like, the choice isn't believe in God or don't believe in God at all.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: The choice is, you can believe in your God and die or you can switch out to our God.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, that's the difference.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a peaceful moment where he's choosing this.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like other than he's going to die.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not choosing to start a war over it or, you know, anything like that.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not like strapping bonds to his body and taking people out with him.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just saying it's a personal choice.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that I can respect.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's like margarine himself, but like, I don't know, I kind of respect it, you know?
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of like good on you, dude.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also because he's standing by his convictions.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: They always talk about like, there's no atheist and foxholes, which isn't true by the way.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, um, I don't hear the opposite phrase, which is, um, Christians being willing to die for what they believe in, like, how far will you stand on your belief?
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy is like, then to the grave.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then my opinion, those are some dangerous words, actually, because some of them are getting, yeah, very zealous.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's regard to this candidate?
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're willing to kill others.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They aren't willing to necessarily say I would die for my belief in this moment.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're saying I am willing to kill a lot of people.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nice folks.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's different.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all willing good to murder a bunch of other people.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you willing to murder yourself?
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: not taking other people out with you.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not a guy.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get your point.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get your point.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when he said these words, he went immediately to the instrument of torture.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the second time they mentioned that and I got a little bit of foreboding.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that there's an instrument of torture.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: when they changed the good will they board toward him a little before into ill will because these words of his were as they thought share madness and when he was at the point to die with the blows he groaned aloud and said
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: To the Lord who has the holy knowledge, it is manifest that while I might have been delivered from death, I endure severe pains in my body by being scorched, but in soul I gladly suffer these things because of my fear of him.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, always be a good guy, he's willing to take torture.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, never not be afraid of that.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just like a terrible way to die.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Your two thoughts are, I'm being tortured and I'm doing this because I fear my God.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I fear my God more than I fear what's happening to me.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not I love my God.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not I love not I'm I'm I can't wait to meet my maker.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: None of this not like my God's gonna save me from this by letting me let go earlier.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: None of this fear and torture are the two things went to this person's mind.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's why there was a lot of like remaking of this stuff with Christianity, not as we see Christianity today, which is full of hate, but like the whole Jesus thing, was like, you know, God is love.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus is the, you know, message of forgiveness, right?
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like,
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of Christians that are like, you know, oh, I love Jesus and I can't wait to be in his arms and like, they do talk about, they don't talk about the fear of God and like I'm scared of God.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: They talk about, no God is love.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: We should rephrase that because there are a lot of.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Christians out there that do believe in the love aspect of Christianity.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like I was definitely there definitely certain groups within Christianity that lean more towards the hate side of things that we tend to talk about them as a general oversight of Christianity.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But those those are the ones that are less juicy and more old school Old Testament like.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is weird, because I'm like, how do you reconcile that with Jesus being, you know, hate so much to hate people as so much easier to sell than love.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just, that's really what it was down to and these, and the pastors that run these churches, that are hate driven, know this, they know that hate is easier to sell.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's all really good.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what newspapers do, right?
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: That they're just feeding into the immediacy of this time in place that we are
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything comes down to rage bait, you know, it's nothing new.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this man died like this, leaving his death for an example of nobleness and a memorial of virtue, not only to the young but also to the great body of his nation, the end.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also I have a question for you.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry, who they're wrote down that that's what this man said and then carried it over to all the rest of the Jews.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the day could, you know, keep a record of L.A.S.R.'
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: 's final.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: or maybe those Greeks that were like beaten the fuck out of them at the torture machine, we're like, damn, this guy died by his convictions like that night.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: After they were at home, after having beat him up right there at home and their wives are putting nice on their knuckles.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they just found for a smoke break afterwards.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: that could be.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm saying was, um, so they're like being the fuck out of this dude, right?
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like bruising their knuckles and everything.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so as you said, then they go out for smoke break, right?
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, but then they go home that night.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And their wives are icing their knuckles because, you know, they're all sore and whatever.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, wife, I got to admit.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was beaten the fuck out of them and killing them and stuff with the torture machine, but uh, going to admire them.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the wife was like, I learned how to read, because I'm a Greek wife and she wrote it down.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: She wrote, okay.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was her.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was her.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Greek wife.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's fair.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: That could be.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, I, I guess, the reason I thought maybe they just like went out for a smoke break.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about it.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And somebody might have overheard.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that could be too.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I have a feeling that
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like just imagine that you walk by, right?
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you walk by this gaggle of Greeks, right?
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Standing around with bloody knuckles and you're just walking by like you're walking your dog down the street, right?
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this gaggle of Greeks with bloody knuckles is standing they're going, oh yeah, keep them in and you.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then one says, y'all, but it was quite noble, though, right?
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, you're the dog walker, right?
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're walking by new here that do you think, huh?
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good story.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was that dude's name?
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Each one was Ellie's dog.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean and now he comes legend we I don't know.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I yeah, I think maybe the dude at home Talking to is the wife the wife.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay because she wrote down like and then he was like no No, make him say something much more noble make it better make it
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: because I mean, he was quite cool.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this was just a historical side note that they found later.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just an injected into the story.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it's happened.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he went, like it was fan pick.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: He went to other friends read it and they were like,
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Elias, I mean, I did quite enjoy beating the fuck out of him at at the punishment machine.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you did default to a British accent because you don't know what a Greek accent sounds like?
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I imagine that Greek is similar to Italian in my brain.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, sure.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck do I know?
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anything.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, all this time, I thought that like you got British record.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got British record.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But not, you know,
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or the time I thought Portugal's will expand it.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, they, they speak fucking Portuguese.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You dumped on.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lay it, duh.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know people's accents and things, but I imagine that Greece sounds like Italian.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do Italian, so it's certainly can't do Greece.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I can do kind of faux British.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, and, and in my head, these Greeks that are beaten a fuck out of this guy at the torture machine there.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They sound British.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: well they're quite they're quite elegant right they're quite with their bloody knuckles with their bloody knuckles yeah they beat the fuck out of this boy yeah and and then so he has all his other friends read it and he's like what do you think this is what my wife wrote that would you think this captures the scene and they're like oh I say if it's all was quite admirable in that moment make sure that this gets into that second macabees story I hear with
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think it was fanficizing.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was second macabees chapter six.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was?
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that next time we will be back with, oh, actually, I should mention this.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean tomorrow?
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because this comes out of money, but tomorrow we might have another episode.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: We might not.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for sure tomorrow, there will be our live on discord.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tuesdays at 10 p.m. Easter on discord.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should be there so that you can make fun of my accents and mispronunciation.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can correct me in real time.
• 37:19
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• 37:20
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• 37:27
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• 37:31
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• 37:32
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• 37:34
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• 37:35
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