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Matthew Chapters 19-20 Q&A: Bible Study by Atheists · Sacrilegious Discourse - Bible Study for Atheists

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  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been, wife.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what we're doing to do?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have taken a bit of a break.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we, if you listen to the previous episode, really we said thank you to that explain some of it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The other part was I was sink.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You were sick and we have some shit to take care of that all at the same time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the 4th of July still outside.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It is, which just for the record and I think we say this for most years, which the fact I can say years in this podcast is kind of cool, but I, if you're not aware, fireworks are very detrimental to wildlife and pets and people with PTSD.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I prefer it to support drone shows or not at all, one of the, one of the two.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, but we live in Dayton, Ohio, where they are going off next door in multiple next doors.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are out in the street.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's our street.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They are out in our street that we live in.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the best question that we can ask will be, will the mess be there in the morning?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So if there are fireworks going off the background, we apologize.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's why I don't apologize.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say my fucking fault.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I acknowledge that it might be difficult listening.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you would have listened to the last episode, there's reasons why we don't have a soundproof
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a room to record in, but since we don't, you might hear some fireworks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we thought about moving down to the basement again just for this, but it wouldn't hide the sound of the fireware.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, it's easier for us to do the event.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But we don't have to plan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We just jump over here and do the episode.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But all of that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, notwithstanding.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what we're doing today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I forget actually.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm yeah, go ahead and tell me we're doing a Q and a not on Saturday.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're covering Matthew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Little Maddie.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's 19 and 20.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, long overdue long overdue.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, remember what happened.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm actually kind of looking for me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is fun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, don't keep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's hop into a little matty, chapter 19 and 20 Q&A.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, chapter 19 teaches about Jesus' take on marriage, divorce, riches, and discipleship.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And chapter 20, Jesus teaches us about grace, greatness, and service.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all there is ready.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not doing it, I can tell you that right now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, no, I have many things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We had thoughts in the episode.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember vaguely.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: We did.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd even wrote down some questions from the chat.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's do a little bit about chapter 19.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: First, I said he teaches about marriage, divorce, and celibacy was in there as well.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This was where Jesus is leaving Galilee, he's headed towards the coast of Judea and Jerusalem.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's followed by great multitudes and he heals some of them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then while that's all happening, the Pharisees attempt to quote unquote trap him and test him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, verse three says, some Pharisees came to him to test him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They asked, is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We had some thoughts immediately, and somebody in the chat, I believe, probably pointed out, like, wasn't it common for the rabbis to question each other?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, that was a discussion about, they were, they were, they would discuss, yeah, so we're they tested and have normal.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: wrapping him and trying to get a gotcha, no Matthew, call me your tits.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Historically, the question itself wasn't weird in any way whatsoever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: For them to compensate, hey, you're a teacher.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We acknowledge this and it's kind of actually even respectful that we're coming up to talk to you about this at all.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I am the feeling I'm getting though is that the Jesus movement was a little bit more
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The Jesus movement was contentious, but they want to make it seem like it was the Jewish rabbis not in the movement that were the gotchas, and that's where I'm going with this is that they were like, no, actually, we recognize you are a teacher.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We recognize, you know, you sit down to teach.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We have talked about that in previous.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing the thing that we do,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I will actually get into some of the questions that they ask here momentarily.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But they commonly debated, questioned and debated each other on Sabbath rules, purity laws, divorce, oaths, taxes, resurrection, and Messiah expectations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: None of this was anything we're not talking about amongst themselves.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus was not exceptional in this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't, again, call me a kid's Matthew.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Except that Jesus has kind of refused to take part in this up until now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is the problem here, not the guy's questioning him for being the problem.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Jesus was a narcissist.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Jesus might have been a narcissist, giving that his dad as a dick that trash.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Got a bit of a God complex.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm trying to get out here is that the argument, the questionine itself wasn't this respectful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was literally how Judea is on work.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what all of the missionists know, the mid-Rash.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The mid-Rash.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what all of those are about.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The starting through their learning ideas.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorting through and tossing ideas.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, hey, this is what we've agreed upon up till now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: When this comes up, this is what we think about the mission.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Still do it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we were looking through, when we were doing the Jewish stories, we were looking through some other story books.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and actually that one that we had, there were stories up until like, and that was an older book, but like up until like in the 1940s and stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, there's still something that goes on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They still deal with their religion.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I love, like it's not done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a forever evolving, it's a living tradition.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Much like language, a living language, constantly reinvented self and creates new words, like LOL, or as kids like to say ruffle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so a rabbi becoming famous because he interprets Torah differently, that's definitely going to attract a lot of questions and a lot of attention and a lot of the rabbis, the leaders, the teachers are going to come and be like, hey, let's do let's do what we do.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's sort this out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you seem not just like to have opinions, but to have like really fucking what can do to ones, which normally might not be an issue except that you have garnered quite the probably my good stuff, what's say you about these things.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Matthew wants readers to think that the Pharisees are villains.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's portraying and by he again, we've already said multiple times, but the writers of Matthew.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Matthew is portraying them as these mustache twirling evil villains who are out to get to Jesus, but it's like, no, actually they were doing what they do.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what nothing to see here, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Historically, this looks like a perfectly ordinary ribbon at debate.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I really appreciate that that question was brought up because we can know that we can know that this is what the rabbis do, but then to apply it, no, actually,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it kind of reframes when they were questioning him about the miracles and stuff too, because that would have been like, we'll show us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, if you can do it, they weren't attacking him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, doing what they do, what they do to each other.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't they do it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're making a claim, you know, great.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's sort this out and figure this out, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they were us who's about it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But the action in and of itself was not weird.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: whether they were assholes about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and would they only be on the work we can take for?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, is that Jesus wasn't asshole?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: the only word we can take is from the Bible, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that's our means and Christians, means or some information about this, is the fucking Bible.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, that's going to be a skewed point of view.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I really appreciate that this was re-mentioned and re-brought up in our discussion to reframe how how we take these gospels.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: These gospels are not the gospel.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: because you want to be in a Jewish tradition, this is not abnormal.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we should continue to remember again and again that just because this is what these people are saying happened doesn't mean that that's the way it went down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I can know that, but to actually, oh yeah, yeah, these guys did come up in
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  [SPEAKER_01]: but that's not weird, that's actually normal.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the beginning of understanding is same, I don't have to take this Bible's word for it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And humans wrote it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you can acknowledge those two things, and look, that doesn't mean you have to lose your faith if you're a Christian either.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But the idea of
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  [SPEAKER_00]: building your faith up, if you are a Christian, should involve getting the most correct information, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And the fairies are not that guys.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So understand that humans wrote the fucking book because they did.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then understand that humans can be fallible because they are.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and then go from there, you know, and then draw whatever conclusions you conclude, but understand that this is human.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it human beings?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was not a God book.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's that was what I took from this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but moving on, let's talk about the questions themselves.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So now that we know that them asking Jesus was like actually normal like to be expected.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So at that time period, there were two famous divinity and philosophical schools among the Jews.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One was called Shami and one was called Hello.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So what they were doing was, and I'll tell you what those are in a second, but what they were doing was walking up to Jesus and saying, Hey, you're a teacher.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You've garnered a large following, not all we agree with, but we need to find out which school of thought do you belong to?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is fair.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So on the question of divorce, the school of Shamai was very strict.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It maintained that a man could not legally put his put away his wife except for sexual immorality, aka hoardum.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It bitch fucked around.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She's out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So he can't just say, I'm tired of your ugly nagging face.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: too bad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You're married forever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, the woman can't divorce because of that.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, she wasn't a human.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So guys could free to do whatever they want.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if she fucks somebody else, she's out.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's her pussybee tainted.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So very strict.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Now the school of Hello, top by Hello, the elder.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He taught that a man might put away his wife for more
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  [SPEAKER_01]: i.e.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: when he sold that another woman pleased him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So he could say I'm tired of your ugly fucking nagging face.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get the fuck out of here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with that sweet sweet pussy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, that today, anybody can divorce anybody for any reason for the most part, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are different laws and different states in the United States, but generally speaking, divorce is allowed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that that light this it's phrase differently, but it is somewhat more in line with how we treat divorce today and that you can divorce for a multitude of reasons right now this was a very male oriented version what that's not what this was about no, yeah, this was about protecting a man's right to morally fuck whom he want to fuck sure this was not that that's what was getting to it was this is not that but
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  [SPEAKER_00]: in the way that it reads, it reads more like the secular version that we have today, and so far as it's not.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Shamai, even though it was Strictor, would have been
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, ironically, more protective of women and their children because of the times because of the times.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, being less restrictive, more flexible, more compassionate, more practical, more adapted law to ordinary people was actually more harmful to women and their children because he could just tell people when you should say men.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly, exactly.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Hello school interpreted due to on a mean chapter 24, which is, you know, where the rules about the force were originally stated.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It interpreted them.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: very broadly, a husband could divorce for almost any serious dissatisfaction and some later traditions exaggerate this into burning dinner.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Those scholars debate whether that caricature actually reflects
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This bitch cannot even fucking cook.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Her brand tastes like shit.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so dumb with her.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So when the Pharisees are asking, is it lawful to divorce for any cause?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What they were actually doing was saying to which school of thought do you subscribe?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They were, it's a legitimate act.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because these were the two schools of thought.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they were basically like today it would be 10 to mount to walking up to somebody and saying are you liberal or conservative?
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily a trap.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a gacha.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to understand where he sits so that they can even start the questioning or the debate.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do this in conversations with people who are religious all the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm like well, what?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: what denomination, what group of Christians are you from?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it matters where the conversations go like that contextualizes for me, how this conversation is going to go.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There are certain base lines you have to acknowledge before the conversation can start so that you can understand what
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  [SPEAKER_01]: things can or can't be said.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: For example, if I understand ahead of time that somebody is Southern Baptist, I know that if I'm going to be around them, I probably don't want to drop F-bombs if I don't want to invite.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: ridicule, ridicule, or squirt, what?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I may intentionally drop them, but that's a choice.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I need to know that going in so that I can decide how to proceed.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just knowing your audience.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's all they were doing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, fuck Matthew, what I'm saying here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: By responding to the question, though, Jesus doesn't say either Shamay or Huell.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He claims Moses.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I kind of, it's been a while, so I then, I'll need a refresher.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of side steps because they didn't say which school are you from, specifically, they said, is it lawful to divorce from any God?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And he starts by, have you not read?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's like, I'm not going to answer you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say, Moses has the answer for you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: it's a classic rabbinic move what he did though is a non-answer answer.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, like I don't have to answer your question because if you go back and read this, then you'll know, right, stand and then we don't have to talk about it.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of debating Deuteronomy, which is the law that they're asking about, he jumps to an earlier text and argues that the later law should be interpreted in light of God's original creation.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So he just...
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: is like, I'm totally pulling out the OT here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not even going to talk about this, which to be fair.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, before I said it was normal of the rabbis to ask questions, now I'm going to be fair to Jesus.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was normal to sidestep the questions.
• 17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they're playing a conversational chess here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, if you guys can hear background noise like the finale or whatever is going off right now or something because I think Dayton's big show is tonight.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know that there's a big bombing raid going on I'm not sure.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, Dayton's big Fourth of July show is tonight, so the finale is shaking houses.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It really is wow I gave it to the boy where we can't look at each other that last couple of seasons is like Should we go in cuz damn
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: think we're done.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Back to Jesus.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Back to the Bible.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'm going to read verses four and five so that we can talk about those.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Jesus's answer is get back to marriage.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So haven't you read he replied that at the beginning, the creator quote made the male and female and said for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and the two will become one flesh.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So of course, since he's quoting the old Testament, I have to look up in the old Testament just to be sure what the fuck is he quoting?
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did he quote it correctly?
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: As I've done every chapter of thus far when we do a Q&A.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This came from Genesis chapter 1 verse 27,
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So God created mankind in His own image, in the image of God He created them, male and female, He created them.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he got that one right.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Genesis chapter two, verse 24 says, that is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Jesus, He quoted correctly all men.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, hey, hey, so Jesus pulls out the Old Testament sometimes when it's convenient, but also dismisses it.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: When it's convenient, it's very much a cherry picture.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and you'll notice, yeah, he went from Genesis chapter one to Genesis chapter two, and he just pulled a verse from each.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And toward that end, he quotes Genesis, as though it's one continual statement by God.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he went from this to this to this.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's often what like pastors and preachers would do and they mix and match statements in the Bible to make the message that they want for people to understand.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And here the argument that he's making is male and female from the one and the two become flesh from the other.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He combines them into one sentence basically.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, oh, okay, good on you, I guess.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he blends them together into one argument.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that shows how Jewish teachers often interpreted scripture by combining passages rather than reading them in isolation.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that too is normal and it's still normal and I hate it.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking hate it.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not okay.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not just a Jewish tradition.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a Christian tradition as well.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we even have we even have the way.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go figure Jesus was doing a Jewish tradition that is now a Christian tradition.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it involves not.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not understanding things in context.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not understanding things to the fullest that you can.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're taking things in your creating a message that you want to create with these snippets from the Bible.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Old Testament or New Testament doesn't matter, but you're taking these snippets in your creating a message of your own choosing from the Bible without allowing for context.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is not, and I feel like that is not okay.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's, um, underhanded.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's sneaky.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not cool.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's sinister when might say.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it allows people to feel like they're informed when they're actually not.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a side note here, the word one flash where the two became one flash that didn't originally just mean sex, okay, we think of it now as they pounded so hard and he was inside her and in that moment when the penis entered the vagina they were one, right, like that's the image of one flash, okay, sure.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're acting like I'm weird saying it, but it's true.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what we think of, right?
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The sexual moment when they are connected.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the war spirit, your version of that is more of the joining of two people, not necessarily the, like when you're at a wedding, you're not imagining the pounding of flesh, you're imagining them, the love joining them.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like, and I'm not trying to,
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: take away from your imagery.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say I don't I don't feel like that's what the preachers try to invoke when they're married in a couple.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes yeah, sometimes yeah they are actually.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he owns her.
• 22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The the seed.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have to have children which consummates them.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: The marriage is not consummated till they have the sex, right?
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get, I get it.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: She must immediately become pregnant with a male child, a male heir.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get your his largest state.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get your point.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean,
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually think about this too, like in the royalty in England, they had people fucking stand around watching them consummate the fucking marriage.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they didn't just have sex to consummate the marriage.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: People had to stand around and watch to make sure it happened and also to make sure that she bled.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you look up this information?
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you just taking this from Game of Thrones?
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is not a Game of Thrones.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is literal history.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's well known little.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew like that was something that happened in Game of Thrones.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they did not just Game of Thrones.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I got it.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I didn't know that that was actual.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I assume they probably had happened in human history at some point, but I didn't know that it was English history.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that was very much a no that was actual or not.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that is actual history.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would watch and then they would immediately remove the sheets to prove that she had blood showing that she was a virgin on the wedding night.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So not only must the marriage be consummated, it must be consummated with that
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's something happened when you were younger.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't even sexual that caused that.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope she didn't write any horses.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jesus.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, when I say one flesh didn't just mean sex, because that's the image that we think is sex.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, it didn't always mean that.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, actually, it kind of did.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have a very sweet modern heart.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are a Renaissance man.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are a
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: wonderful feminist ally and I appreciate that you think that that's not true.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, but let's just say it doesn't sound like the way you put it when they're on there.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, but it was.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I promise.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I give it.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but although, um, it's come to mean sex.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And how?
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those of us who don't know better picture is, ancient Jews also did mean something broader, which your sweetheart picked up on.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one household, the one family unit, the one economic partnership, and the one kinship on the combining and everything into one.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The sexual aspect was certainly part of it, though, just not the whole squishy picture.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, moving on to verses eight and nine.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jose, not Joseph.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I can't read my own notes.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard, but it was not this way from the beginning.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality and Mary's another woman commits adultery.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, I'm not going to tell you that I am in the school of Shemai, but then I'm going to tell you, oh, definitely school of Shemai.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You better hold on to that girl forever.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no reason to toss her aside.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And anyway,
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you interpret it any other way, Moses was a little loosey goosey on it and listen to me.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jesus, I'm God, Son, I know better than Moses did, okay?
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He Moses allowed you to get away with shit.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, Jesus pisses me off.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, who's the fuck?
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you is my good son?
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, do you really want him to answer that?
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this phrasing though, like we reacted to it and I remember being pissed, but this phrasing is so astonishing, because he says Moses permitted you to do some shit, right?
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moses permitted you to divorce your wife because your hearts were hard, but it was not this way from the beginning.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying this phrasing is not, Jesus was an asshole, okay?
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is an asshole because he's trying to reinterpret what Moses said.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Moses was letting me all be willy nilly and I'm coming down and saying no.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay Moses was wrong.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, got it.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so God supposedly gave them gave Moses the law and now Jesus is saying yeah, but that wasn't ideal though So let's That's really don't what I don't I don't like the fact that Jesus is just like
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: What he wants and not what doesn't you know like my dad is the father the all the wonderful top dog Except also fuck that guy.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had a wrong do it my way.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know better right but like why did God let these people run around for thousands of years doing it wrong without correcting them Yeah, you know like I had white
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they said Moses didn't say he was doing it because he was hardening the heart.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, these things didn't happen.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moses is like, was not this what God said.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was not stated that these were the case when, like, in the Bible.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what the fuck?
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is all fantasy bullshit, and I hate it.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate the New Testament.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: The New Testament is a bunch of fucking lives.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And moreover, we saw how the Bible dramatically changed from the Pentatouk until closer to the New Testament, right?
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like there was so many things that,
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: drifted.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could watch how people felt about things.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could watch the writing style, the morals, the stories that were told, the stories that weren't told.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: The shit that got left out.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could tell how it changed.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then like 400 years after the last one, the new testament just walks in and picks up the football and is like, hey, this looks cool.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's change everything about it though.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It all is.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, and this is the culmination of all that change, right?
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's really what's going on here.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I fucking hate it.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking hate it.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like how I can equate it to if the old testament was like wrong, but understandable, but it led to the new testament, if we want to put that into days terms, the Republicans were wrong, but understandable, but I hated them the whole time and they fucking led to mega.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I'm saying, like Republicans are equivalent in this analogy.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Republicans are equivalent to the Old Testament, like, they aren't always right, but they're mostly harmless, I guess, but they're kind of fucked up, but they literally both laid the stepping stones for the eventual shit storm that came Christianity in one and fucking Magda in the other.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it so fucking much, okay.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Christians usually like to explain this away.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you know, Moses gave a concession to human sin.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is restoring God's original intention.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is fine.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see no problem here.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a change from one to the other.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a change because it's okay, but there's not a change, but there is, but it's okay.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the fucking pretzel that's
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a change, but there isn't it's okay, but there's not, but there's not, but it's okay that there is.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, how do you make those two be okay in your head?
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You use the magical, I'm God's son.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm asking like, my neighbors, how do you do that?
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, a secular observation, like somebody, you know, us, we would note that Jesus is fucking implying that Moses didn't get it right.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not cool, because then why did God supposedly give Moses that law in the first place?
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: but Matthew never resolves this reading.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, obviously, because this is... No, and that's more of the cherry picking the hand-weight patients that they go on.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm writing, don't like.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, then he gets into celibacy and marriage, and Jesus answers, and he talks about unix.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have questions.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We were like, excuse you?
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus says that there are three kinds of unix, born unix, made unix, and self-made unix.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Born unix would be men who were born unable to reproduce.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, ancient people lacked modern biological vocabulary.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would not have been able to...
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're a unix?
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: they did clearly however recognize that some people are born sexually different and that this would encompass various congenital differences.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they were slightly less scientifically stupid in some ways because they did recognize it.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nowadays, like, if you mention the word intersects, they're like, well, it's lia.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when you say, well, some people are born with different amount of chromosomes, or different body parts, or blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's problematic insofar as trying to slap a label on it and call it done, and, you know,
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: sex agenda make it um confusing because you want binary and it's just not so blah blah blah and they're like that's not all thing and it's like no but actually though it is right it it literally is and the Bible recognizes that it's a thing sure the problem yeah you fucking back with dumb dumb right like even the Bible knew it yeah okay so
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the differences that they acknowledged would include now what we would call some intersex conditions.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus doesn't condemn them.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He simply acknowledges that they exist.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They can't get married, but they're not bad or anything.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just can't get married and not kids.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I'm not saying that that's a good stance.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying it's still a step up from how women and slaves were treated.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's at least a recognized stance.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a recognition that it exists and not an insult.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus was fine with intersects people.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Happy Pride Month.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bandit, we're in July, but I didn't get enough.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So still happy continued Pride Month into July.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that was born Unix.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then we get made Unix.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty straightforward.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is referring to castrated servants and slaves, which we do be chopped enough when we're all the time.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, yeah.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The practice that was common throughout the engine world.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially in royal courts.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, because you don't want your slaves to be reproducing, right?
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's growth task.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can't have them making more of themselves, you, right?
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They sure.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying all this, I'm saying all this tongue and cheek, obviously, because that's growth task.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, maybe you next because we like the chop winners.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then there's self-made unix, okay, and these are people who made themselves unix for the kingdom, okay?
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a metaphorical castration.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jesus is telling his unmarried followers to voluntarily avoid having sex.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is like Catholic priest so they can have sex and we see all of that work down.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, not recommend.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says, no marriage means celibacy.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the way it be.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sex is only for marriage, okay?
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you choose lifelong singleness, live sexually abstinent.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no option for dating, casual sex, or long-term unmarried partners.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So because they were like, dude, I can't divorce this bitch for cooking my dinner and burn in it.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh fuck that, I'm just never gonna get married.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's write it upside down.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not an option.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, uh, uh, no, right.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, once you get married, you can't have sex until you're married.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then once you're married, you can't have sex with anybody else.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just your wife, period.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And cannot ship her out.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anagami.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anagami.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Zero or abstinence.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anagami.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are your choices.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that the disciples react so strongly shows that Jesus is teaching was actually a lot more radical than Jews at that time would have expected.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this shows that the Pharisees leaned more toward the, um, hello.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: School of thought where they could divorce for late dinner.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: They could divorce because fuck this fuck that, but those fuck these right like I don't I don't like her anymore And divorce everybody sure.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they just wanted to fuck got it.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's what that was about that fun.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So right after we talk about sex and unics, remember, that's when the children are brought in.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, we were like, verse 13, then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the disciples were beefed them.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Children.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: The disciples.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: The disciples rebuked the children.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be bugging him even though they're brought in.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, don't be bugging him.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we haven't read Luke yet because we're reading this in order of where it is in our Bible, which Matthew's first.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently when we get to the book of Luke, he will describe them as infants, not children.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was probably on this account that the disciples were rebuking the parents, not the children themselves, thinking that babies were too young to receive blessings, but the parents wanted Jesus blessings.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, get the fuck out of here.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's busy.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got some serious healing and explaining to do.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to learn about, you know, when we can fuck, we don't want babies up in here.
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have questions about sex and divorce and sex.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So take your babies and leave.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a common custom among the Jews to lay their hands on the heads of those whom they blessed or for whom they prayed, you know, the laying on of hands as a thing, right?
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This seems to have been done by way of dedication or consecration to God.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: The person being considered as the sacred property of God, okay?
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: ever after, right?
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like once I lay my hands on you, you're in like Flynn, whatever that means.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: This rate has long been practiced among Christians when persons are appointed to any sacred office.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I touched you with my stinky dirty ass hands.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are blessed my child.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then we move on from kids and we get into the riches.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus, test because there's a man he asked Jesus about gaining eternal life.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do I do it?
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been good on my life.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do I gain eternal life?
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus tests him by the aspects of the mosaic law that deals with man's relationship to men.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So verses 18 and 19 read which ones he inquired, which one should I follow, which mosaic rules, those they have laws.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I follow.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus replied, you shall not murder, you shall not commit a don'tary, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony on your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That all comes from Exodus, chapter 20.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: versus the 12 through 16 on your father and mother so that you may live long in the land of the Lord.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your God is giving you.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You shall not murder.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You shall not commit adultery.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You shall not steal.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then in Leviticus 19 verse 18, he adds, do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people but love your neighbor as yourself.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the Lord.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when dude asks which commandments do I keep, right?
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we had questions about that because somebody in our discord for and I believe, um, was saying, commandments, there's, uh, mosaic law, and then there's the, um, the other, the commandments, like there's this whole list of laws.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit of kiss, a little bit of go law.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was confused.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, the fuck are you talking about, like, the commandments or the commandments, right?
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: False.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wrong.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: those commandments, right?
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like, what?
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's 10 fucking commandments, follow them.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's two versions.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they overlap.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're still only 12, but okay, okay, okay, worst case scenario.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's 20 fucking commandments, right?
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: But no, there's not a shrimp.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's the mixed thread.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's the, yeah.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Traditionally, there are 613 commandments.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: 613.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK. Jesus, or I'm sorry, Jews often used the word, quote-unquote, commandments.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: More broadly than just the 10, 12 or 20 that we think of.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They use the term commandments to encompass literally hundreds of roles, 613 to be exact.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So asking which ones here actually makes a lot of sense, because he's like, which rules do I follow?
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, 10, 12, 20, 613, apparently.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Follow 613, all of them.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Follow them all.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still not understanding the question.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, to get into heaven, you follow all the rules.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which rules?
• 41:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The answer is the rules, not which rules, all the rules.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: One would think that anyway, right?
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm a dumb dumb.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that could very well be.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I probably am.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the other part of it.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus has not died for our sins yet.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So just just putting that out there.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're a Jew.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there's heaven.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really got into that.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is some kind of act which I still don't understand how Jesus dying for our sins negates some of the rules, but not all of the rules.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that makes no sense, right?
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like how does that even like, word, I know it doesn't.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, that's what Christians pretend, right?
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's so they're like, hey, yeah, there's the 10 commandments.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, Jesus died for a sense of like all that other shit that's to the way side.
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unless we want to pick one here and there to make, you know, some point, some of the little bit of one's not all of us.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the little bit of the ones we want to, we want to re-gurgitate, but that's all of them.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what's interesting, though, is that Jesus doesn't quote all the 10 commandments.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He selects mostly the interpersonal ones.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't murder, commit adultery, or steal, or lie.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do on your parents and do love your neighbor.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The things that are missing are things about Sabbath, idols, blasphemy, and kosher foods.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And those are the ones that Christians decided, yeah, those are gross.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to do those anyway.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: because God didn't hurt Jesus and didn't say him.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay now.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not convenient.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't mention him as well.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, except that they're missing a whole 600 others that he also didn't mention.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that leads the question.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if there's 613 fucking commandments, didn't Jesus break some of them then?
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Without a doubt.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He broke several.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all over the fucking place.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He basically masturbated all over God's commandments throughout the whole testimony.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: They certainly worked on the Sabbath.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I know that one for sure.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the word commandment here doesn't just mean the 10 commandments or the two drafts of the 10 commandments, and it actually means the 613 Levitical laws that are recognized as
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Commandments, then yes.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: His opponents repeatedly accuse him of violating Sabbath regulations, as you pointed out, and Jesus generally replies, I'm violating your interpretation, not God's intention, which, again, that was revolutionary.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it's, okay, there's a guy, this guy's, this guy's,
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: you're so bad.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, Jesus is a fucking rebel, apparently.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like for the time for for with regard to God's viewpoints and whatever, Jesus is like rebelling against institution, right?
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just walks in and decides what the rules are going to be now.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at first he's like, fuck your rules.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, y'all can
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it or lump it, I don't give a shit.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then later he's like, hey my dudes, just so you know, don't tell anybody what I'm the son of God.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he just he just continues to break fucking rules and it's like, I
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like if you're a god, right?
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a little, no, no, no, you know what, actually skip that.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's skip the whole god thing.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to the legend right out.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see you're a fucking manager.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a manager, trying to keep your people in line and teach them how to do things correctly, do you just start breaking all the fucking rules?
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, let's let's even make this no.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, right, no, yeah, fucking don't.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 44:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say that there's a company like I don't know McDonald's right McDonald's as a whole has all of these fucking rules right that we just all recognize.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say that there's 613 of them.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just McDonald's as a whole has 613 rules.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to follow if you wanna be allowed to put a fucking sign up that says, we are McDonald's, okay?
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then this dude buys this fucking McDonald's franchise, right?
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he walks in and he says, actually, we're gonna keep the sign, but we're gonna do everything else different.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna start calling it, I don't know Wendy's, right?
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know, but he's gonna start calling it Wendy's and then and then everybody's like, okay
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he still got the golden arches outside.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: How does that work?
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer McDonald's.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the manager is like, I know we're Wendy's now.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We still follow some of the tenants of McDonald's.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we get to keep the golden arches.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: like no literally you don't my guy let me call up the franchise people right now hey they're breaking 600 to the 613 rules right um can you pull their franchise and they'll be like yeah okay and then and then and then they'd be like we are so McDonald's we are so McDonald's so you're like okay okay I have a coupon for McDonald's free fries if I order a sandwich right that's when they turn around and say oh we're not actually McDonald's
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: What the ever-loving fuck!
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: They get to have it both ways.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're both McDonald's and Wendy's, not necessarily, not necessarily, not necessarily, not necessarily.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is totally Wendy's.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I just wanted to see that because I think that's a great analogy.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you don't get to be both burger joints, my guy.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, the hell you say, did you like my Frosties?
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna do it his way.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's the king, there's the king.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so anyway, Jesus sucks, okay?
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So moving on to verse 24, again, I tell you, it is easier for a fucking camel to go through the eye up a fucking needle than for someone who is rich to enter the fucking kingdom of God.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really you really emphasize that with fucking a lot because I'm so worked up.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate Jesus I hate the New Testament I hate it so much.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's literally pissing me off.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know we've been talking about this But every time I read it, I'm like no, that's not that's not correct I understand why the Jews fucking crucify them They were like
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this personally offends you because you are very much a rule person.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like lists and you like things to be correct.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they're doing it.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus is like, I'm going to take all the rules and throw him in the goddamn air.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Only in the tent.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wants you to pretend he's following some.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why does he pretend and wife doesn't like things out of order?
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, just be like.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing that anymore because we have a new religion like just be a friend and don't steeple the old testament to the new testament Right then no just be like We're done with that But we're moving along yeah something else and don't tell me that Jesus and Yahweh are the same fucking guy because they are so clearly not right there's so
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fucking camel, fucking needle, fucking kingdom of God.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then we know just because we know that this gets torn up at some point in the Detestment, too.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like this doesn't even hold up the whole the whole, you know, you know, or poor people.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's prosperity.
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not there yet.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, but like
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I wanted to talk about this because this is really cool.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's an expression similar to this one in the Quran.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The impious, I always want to say, impious when I see that word, but no, it's impious.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who in his arrogance shall accuse our doctrine of falsity, shall find the gates of heaven's shut.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nor shall he enter there till a camel shall pass through the eye of a needle.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is thus that we shall recompense the wicked.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it was also a mode of expression common among the Jews and signified just an impossible thing.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was just a phrase to mean, that's ridiculous.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That'll happen when pigs fly.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you put a camel through the eye of a needle, right?
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That kind of silly.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there was also another proverb, a camel in media, dance, not common social media, media, the city media, yeah, a camel in that city dances in a cave, a measure which held about three pints.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was like a common thing, like camels don't they use camels as metaphors.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the way we say pigs will fly sure they were like camels always.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Freezover and say it's just in every day.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just in every day ridiculous when that ridiculous thing happens.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was another one that when no man sees a palm tree of gold nor an elephant passing through the eye of a needle because these are impossible things.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what's funny is that a lot of Christians have tried to say, no, no, no, no.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not saying it's impossible to be rich and get into heaven.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was a gate, specifically that was the camel gate.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know how like there was the fish gate and the surfing.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all the different gates around the city, they're saying, Oh, what a bunch of bullshit.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've tried to reinterpret it.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm like, do you even Greek, my God?
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you even Latin?
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you can say that, but then there's lots of historians who translate, I don't know, language and words, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're right.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a poll is just really bug the fuck out.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: They try so hard.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you got stopped.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not just apologists, they're skinky, nasty, gritty, liar, grifters, they're fucking grifters and I hate them.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you're talking to a not like professional of apologists, someone who's like just trying to make up excuses and the fly, you can see them like, like, I've talked to some people and then you can see them searching for a reason and anything like, and what can I say?
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: What can I say?
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the Jesus quote?
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can blow.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what what the passage I can use for this one was the it's like just stop could you use your fucking rational mind for just a second and think about this from any other perspective than your own so closed off corner of your religious bullshit
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I don't know if there was a camel gator not.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking care because that's not what this is that was about when they say a camel through an eat a needle Through the eye of a needle Yeah, it's also in the current so fuck you right in this talking about it impossible.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very difficult to be rich and get into heaven I wonder why that's because I don't know because it kind of goes against the whole tenets of what the whole religion is supposed to be about
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I was younger and I wasn't in religion, but everybody that was religious when I heard this quote because it was a popular quote is a popular quote, right?
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was always an impossibility.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's always how it was interpreted when I was younger.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't necessarily use that's how it was when I was younger.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You grew up in a small town of high.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's very anecdotal.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's anecdotal and it is local.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: in recent history.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very hardcore, right, recent to this.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's always been there in the background.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But now we're like really singing and it's just for the prosperity gospel.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are quite a newer phenomenon.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's because richness, like there's so many fucking millionaires and billionaires.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they have to excuse themselves in some way.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: What Jesus did?
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just knew this.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of the millionaires are fucking, you know,
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: telebandilists and priests and shit, so it's like, okay.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so can rich Christians exist?
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is the question, and the answer is yes, because the Bible doesn't say that it's impossible.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It says it's difficult, so somebody like Dolly Parton gets a pass because she gives back.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is rich, she gives back.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: She donated millions to literacy programs for children.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: She donated millions for COVID vaccine creation.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she doesn't just sit on her wealth and accumulate it and buy islands and rape children.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: She actually helps her community and wants to make the world better.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, is it possible?
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but you better be like dolly fucking part of it.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not, fuck you, you're not a real Christian.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to have an, if having more such a thing as to exist, you're going to the hell that you believe in or profess to believe in.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the way your rules work.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: at least so far as how as we've read it because again apparently there's more information is true.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So again, can rich Christians exist?
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some say yes, but wealth must never become your master.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like buying islands.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Other say that the command was very unique to just this particular individual and does it doesn't count.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mind me.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be quick.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like do you even analogy my guy?
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you even parable?
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the parables mean that they do apply to you.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: All of this is about Jesus' parables and how you're supposed to live your life.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So no, sir.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I say, sir, because it's almost always a sur.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Christian religions about trying to gain wealth and keep it and sit on it and rape people, it's always a sur.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, sir,
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: it does apply to you.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So others such as many monastic traditions, took it and still take it today very literally and they embrace voluntary poverty as well as the voluntary
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: unfeathered and unselfish and very giving and like they take us seriously.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I respect that.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do, too.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for me, but I see it and I respect it.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're belief is so strong to actually make you do something like that and do it well and do it correctly.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That there is some level in my
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even in my dislike of religion, there's some level of respect that I have for people that take it to that level.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: See that as less a religion and more as a lifestyle and a adoption of a spiritual practice.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not the same as religion.
• 56:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's living with like-minded people to do this spiritual lifestyle.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not robbing people, and they're not.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: raping children and buying islands.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm fine with it.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then we move on to verse 25, when the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, who then can be saved?
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The question of the disciples seemed to suggest that most people were rich.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, why would they even be worried about it?
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're a fucking fisherman and a
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but by the reaction, it would seem that, well, I guess everybody's rich, so hardly anybody can be saved and Jesus is like, yeah.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: They certainly must have attached a different meaning to what constitutes a rich or wealthy person, to what we do today, to have such a crazy reaction of who then even can be saved.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've got the look at all my cars, my God!
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then Peter's like, wait, what do we have?
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't for us, right?
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We just gave up everything, right?
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Toss our mom's off the fucking window.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We punched our dad in the face and left him on the boat, like, what the fuck?
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: How?
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, he likely expected something much more Jewish in tradition, Peter, in particular, he wanted to see Israel restored, or Rome defeated, or the Messiah crowned, or God's kingdoms, like literally arriving on earth, you know, a lot like what we said about John the Baptist, and you know, what he was expecting of Jesus, are you really the Messiah?
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know about all that, you ain't doing it.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're just walking around.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, as Jesus' ministry progresses, those expectations became a lot less straightforward.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of roomy, uh, overthrowing Rome, yeah.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus just keeps talking about suffering and sacrifice and losing one's life and I'm probably going to die guys, you know, and that's not what they were expecting at all.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: right they're like this is we give up you weren't talking about this in the beginning we give up everything based on what you were saying and now you're selling something different what the fuck what gives Jesus message message is changed yes dude yeah we're only in um chapter 19 right and the message has changed dramatically okay yeah so
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Peter's question reflects the growing uncertainty.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've left everything behind.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what does that mean for us?
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus answered with this apocalyptic vision.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And remember when we talk about the word apocalyptic in biblical terms, it doesn't mean like the apocalypse is happening.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The nuclear weapons went off in World War three and the planet was demolished.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And very few survivors escaped their bunkers to find that the world was
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: ravished, right?
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that kind of apocalypse.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's just a future version.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, future vision He says, oh, what are you guys gonna get out of it?
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: My message has changed hang on hang on
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know, you're probably not going to see anything in life, but totally I promise in the afterlife, you're going to be rewarded with all the power ever.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be thrones with fancy cushions for you.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: To this feels like he's just play kidding his uh-huh.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: His people that he's got following him that are discipling and the possilin and he's doing all the things draining them.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's draining their finances and he's like,
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the truth is you probably won't get shit, but I promise you when you're dead my my dad I mean my dad is like I'm gonna end with my dad God will totally build us a whole entire throne room And you guys will be there.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean how this whole thing just sounds like a scam It's you know such a scam.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's ridiculous.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he says that the 12th will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel and those who have sacrificed family or possessions for him will receive a abundant reward and eternal life.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, it's fine.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And based on this, it's no wonder that Peter keeps asking questions like, oh, no, this is not what I'm what?
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what kind of can you write this down like sign it or can God come down and like corrupt corroborate this is not the cult I see right yeah right so okay this is one of my favorite parts here okay moving on to verse 30 this is such trash okay okay but many who are first will be last and many who are last will be first it's a very famous quote from the Bible very famous quote that we did not fully understand right when we read it okay
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: From the Christian perspective, the Jews who have been the first and the most distinguished people of God.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: will, in general, reject the gospel of Jesus and be consequently rejected by God.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Gentiles who have had no name among the living, like nobody knows them, right?
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Gentiles are non-Jew, right?
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: They will be brought the knowledge of the truth and they will become first, the chief and most exalted people of God.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we spent the whole Old Testament.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: protecting, re re re re bringing back together the Jewish people.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: All all this to protect the Jewish traditions and and all this.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jesus comes along and says fuck y'all, bye.
• 1:02:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck the Jews is what he says.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not here for it.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's ridiculous, right?
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: God's entire message was the Jewish people forever in the sand and the seas and the all the things, right?
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about that a little bit more in the coming chapter because it gets stated again, okay, but let's bring home chapter 19, okay?
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Matthew chapter 19 isn't just about money and marriage and unix and riches and stuff, it's about authority.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what this is about.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nearly every scene in this fucking chapter asks the same underlying question, who gets to define what faithfulness looks like.
• 1:03:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would go so far as to say it's not just this chapter.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all the chapters that we've read so far.
• 1:03:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's what we've been railing against.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, wait, Jesus just walks in and changes the rules.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly you're a bad Jew if you're not doing it his way.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck?
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, yes, that is correct.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, but it's, it's, this is, this would be so insulting to me if I was a Jewish person.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he did.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you literally just took everything that we've ever been taught.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you said, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to some extent, like I'm not saying completely.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, like, but 20 chapters in and I'm like, oh, it's a lie.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a lie.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a lie.
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's teaching these things hypothetically before he's dead, right?
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like, this is, this is, this is literally just, he's changing what Judaism is.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's painting anybody who questions it as a bad guy.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And instead of just everybody going, what are you talking about?
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that you're saying is exactly incorrect to what we've been taught.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we have the books to prove it, you fuck.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, you dare?
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the son of God.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, oh, and now you're the son of God, are you?
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Except for that apparently you told nobody about that.
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: the blind guys knew.
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They blind guys.
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: They know he's the son of David.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that works anyways.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in this chapter, we see the Pharisees appealed to established interpretations to the Torah.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moses represents the received law, right?
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The rich man trusts his lifelong obedience to get him into heaven, right?
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: The disciples wonder what following Jesus is even worth to them, right?
• 1:05:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus repeatedly answers as though he's, well, he's the authority.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He gets to redefine all the priority from marriage to wealth to even status.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your Jesus says, let's you do it.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: status is where we kind of start in the next chapter chapter 20.
• 1:05:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we start chapter 20 with the parable of the workers in the fucking vineyard.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I hated this story.
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hated this story more than you did.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking terrible.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's horrible.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to get into it.
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I don't care.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's just talk about the vineyard for a second in and of itself.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Jewish audiences would have immediately recognize the vineyard as a symbol from the Hebrew Bible.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's always pulling up these,
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, test my reference.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he was Jewish.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it made sense.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the teacher did.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is not bad.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, yeah, he's a good teacher because he's doing what he what they do.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He especially pulls from the book of Isaiah chapter five, where Israel is described as God's vineyard that failed to produce good fruit.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when Jesus says, the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner with a vineyard.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's invoking centuries of scriptural imagery before he even gets to his point.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's again using that short hand to that symbolism saying something that is audience would immediately nod their heads and say,
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's an interesting just side note interpretation thing.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've heard of the 11th hour, right?
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like when you do something at the 11th hour, it's at the very last possible minute, right?
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the interpretation that we read, every time like a few hours goes by and he's like, oh, I saw some people standing by and then I hired them to come work, right?
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Our interpretation gives specific times when those happen.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like a reinterpretation, the original translation would have said in the first hour in the second hour in the third hour.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the translation that we read told us what the first hour is, what time that is, what time the second hour is, what time the third hour is, but they would have said the 11th hour and which would have been the last hour.
• 1:07:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The last hour would have been an hour before they get off work about five o'clock.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he hired them
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: interesting.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we get that phrase.
• 1:08:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It happened at the last minute at the 11th hour.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it out.
• 1:08:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know it was a biblical reference.
• 1:08:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't either.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I love these sides that don't answer any of our questions, but just kind of flesh out our language and our understanding of the history.
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of amazing to me how many references actually come from the Bible that I'm not aware of.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was a really cool one.
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And how we not done a Q&A, we would have missed this in the interpretation that we read was different.
• 1:08:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did not have or the translation that we read when it had just interpreted for our dumb dumb brain.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't know what the 11 hours.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what the 10th hour is.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what the 9th hour is.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for the favor.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where like doing these little deep dives helps give you a little bit more
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like having both like don't just tell me the first hour second hour third hour because I don't know what that means, but don't just reinterpret it without like a little note to explain to you.
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cultural aside.
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly how important culturally because you know, this is where that happens.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is actually a phrase you all might know.
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're 11th hour.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not right.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So okay.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sorry.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I lost my train of thought.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I waited as long as I could without interacting.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know I appreciate that.
• 1:09:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, the 11th hour became an English idiom because of this story as I said, okay, and when we say someone did something at the 11th hour, we usually mean at the last possible moment.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Originally, it literally referred to the workers hired around 5 p.m. got it.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, one hour before
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, so then we get into the landowner of Pays his workers.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, yeah.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a little interesting.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The way to the paid was a DaNarius, which this refers that,
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: comes from the Greek word and it refers to a Roman silver coin and it was roughly considered a fair day's wage for an unskilled laborer.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the first guys, they were actually being paid very fairly.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was fine, right?
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So why they agreed to do the work?
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That detail matters though, because the workers who started early, they weren't being underpaid, right?
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They received exactly what they had agreed to, and exactly what would have been fair.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's important to note that it was a fair thing to do the work for that amount of money, right?
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: They agreed to do it.
• 1:10:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that, that to me indicates fairness.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just important that
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's important that we recognize that the scandal is that everyone else was paid more generously and unfair, above and beyond, not that the first workers were cheated per se.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I get, I got that in the middle of school too.
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to make sure that I
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: except by comparison.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: The circumstances made it unfair.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, not the pay.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then we get into the complaint of those early workers and they're like, wait, excuse me.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I worked a full day.
• 1:11:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I had to stand here and watch you give the guy who just showed up a fucking hour ago.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get the same pay as me.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we listened to Jesus say, what is my money?
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can pay what the fuck I want and you agreed and it's fair.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So why are you bitching?
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're supposed to walk away with, that's true.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna fuck that.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:11:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the traditional Christian reading says that God owes nobody salvation.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the parable is supposed to be teaching us.
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone deserves nothing, okay?
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, whether he gives you a dollar, a penny, or a million in a plane.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is just be great.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be grateful, whatever you fucking get, and you shut the fuck up and you don't question.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to call my union rep.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something else I was reading about was somebody in a monastic order from early history, would have found this perfectly acceptable, whereas a union wrap in the 80s would adore this shit up, and it's interesting how because as our labor laws changed, the analogy
• 1:12:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we get what you're saying, but now we need a different parable because this doesn't work.
• 1:12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Well, obviously, it didn't work like that either.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:12:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm just saying like, no, they definitely saw that it was not fair.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, true, true, but.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They sold it, it wasn't fair, but they also were like, oh yeah, it is your money, that is true.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not fair, but it is your money.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't have the right to complain.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, which is what they would have walked.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to put this to God where God gets to do out whatever gift God wants to give out.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that, but it makes the message as muddled because this is truly not fair.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's truly,
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Terrible.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's truly terrible way that you're sitting in the other people.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hado can find grace in the 11th hour.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is just a bad.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this is people in ancient time interpreting something saying this this landowner, right?
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're we're equating this landowner to God, essentially.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: This landowner has the right to give you whatever gifts he wants to give.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And since you agreed to that gift, you should be happy with that gift regardless of what the other
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and what I said in the episode, which is staying your lane, don't worry about what anybody else is doing.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just be grateful for what you get.
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to counter that with that still doesn't mean the guy that's planned on or isn't a fucking asshole.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because God is a dick.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're all.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is a piece of shit, and that's a baby.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the person who spent 80 years serving God and the serial killer who sincerely were penned five minutes before death, they both get to receive eternal life.
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's God's point, right?
• 1:14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what God is saying here, what Jesus, I'm sorry, what Matthew, I'm sorry, what the people who wrote Matthew.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me, you know, trace down who actually fucking said this, right?
• 1:14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The people in the world, Matthew, are trying to tell us, is that grace here is intentionally unfair.
• 1:14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's generosity rather than justice.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter that it's not fair because it's generosity.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, right, explain that to the grandkids when grandma gives one grand kid five dollars and another grandkids $100 and says, what, I didn't have to give you any dollars?
• 1:15:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that, it's that shit.
• 1:15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is bullshit.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is bullshit.
• 1:15:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, you are right, grandma, that doesn't make you any less of a con.
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
• 1:15:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have to give either kid any money at all.
• 1:15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are right.
• 1:15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you fucking shouldn't have you asshole if you weren't going to be fair about it.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that it's possible for the gift to be the problem.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like that in and out of self, that can be the problem of this situation.
• 1:15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as long as we're talking about problematic gifts, let's see, somebody walks into a candy shop with no money, and somebody then buys him a bag full of candy, and he goes and eats it.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem there is that the guy was just coming to window shop and he didn't really need the candy because guess what he's diabetic.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just killed him the gift was the problem.
• 1:16:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Guy probably should have eaten that if you know he was.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but what if what if what if they insist it?
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, remember.
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I, but I'm just saying that.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gifts are not always gifts.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think with regard to Christianity and this fucking landowner on our specifically, the gift is the fucking problem.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because there are differences in how people work and there are differences in how people worship and whatever.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And live and brave.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the actual, the problem is the gift here and it is a problem.
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't tell me otherwise.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're wanting me to be the best I can be for a pride.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, for a prize instead of just because it's the right thing.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the gift is the problem.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also the expectation of a gift.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you should just be good for the sake of being good, not because of a promise of eternal life later and sitting in a fucking fancy throne next to Jesus.
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, no, and that's what, that's how I view religion is that it's the, it's the, the seat belt law, right?
• 1:17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's mine.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, but it's the same way I viewed it.
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's the law that says, do this or else, but that's not the correct way to live.
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The correct way to live is to do it because because the right thing is the seat belt law.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: is click it or tick it, meaning you should buckle up because otherwise you'll have to pay a fine.
• 1:17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, you should buckle up because otherwise you might fly through the windshield and die.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or kill your passenger or make a mess that your children have to see your smash skull for the rest of their life because you could not be bothered.
• 1:18:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: follow rules for the right reasons.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not because there's a gift involved.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love because that's been my story that I've the the seat belt.
• 1:18:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a great analogy and I used it because I adopted that rule.
• 1:18:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love that is what I'm saying here.
• 1:18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that is, that makes me so happy that you're like, yeah, do things for the right reason.
• 1:18:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's much easier to adapt to change when you look at the reasons for the good behind that change.
• 1:18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes and no, like, people, people a lot of times will not make a positive change, but they will make a change to avoid a negative outcome.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of times you have to do the threat instead of No, yeah, but I'm the carry.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
• 1:18:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why you have to have laws.
• 1:18:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why you have to have things with the threat, right?
• 1:18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm saying is that if you can wrap your head around making a change for reasons that will that you allow yourself to see the positive in that change, it's much easier to make that change and do it for the rest of your life.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do it for the right reasons.
• 1:19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do it with conviction.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you just like explain, hey, you should buckle up, click it or take it because here's why we're making that a rule, like we're making that a rule because we care about your life even if you don't.
• 1:19:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we care about the mess you will leave behind even if you don't.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we care about the passengers that you might kill even if you don't.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that you don't is why you will get a ticket.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a clicker ticket I can live with.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've always viewed religion as a fucking law that is there to keep people on a path that it's an or else.
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's an or else.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's people have to follow in order to get to heaven.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: This magical place that they they give you the same prize.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether you started a minute ago or.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a silly and childish.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so there's also this other thing.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it criticizes the status competition among the disciples, like if you'll recall at the end of 19 that we just finished.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Peter.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: status, like what the fuck, what are we going out of it, right?
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus immediately follows that question in this chapter, he starts with the parable of the grapevine workers.
• 1:20:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's basically responding to Peter again saying, stop calculating heavenly salaries, stop asking me what you're going to get out of the whole hole on Jesus in the last chapter.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: bargained with them basically, told them that they would have a throne to be the judges of the other 12 tribes of Israel, which apparently were also ditching the 12 tribes of Israel, a bunch of Christianity, so who knows how that'll work out, but who cares, right?
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They get 12 chairs and so they get a higher level status than normal people because...
• 1:21:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is seeing like on the one hand, uh, nothing today, but I will pay you Wednesday, you know, it's gladly paid Tuesday for a hamburger today, right?
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is what Jesus is saying.
• 1:21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's pulling a wimpy, but then he's also saying and also stop asking what you're going to get paid anyways.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but he's he's he's he's he's he's also okay.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's offered to pay the disciples, the apostles, whatever, more than a dinner, what is it was?
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't whatever the fuck it is.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of payment that the, he's offered to pay them more because there is apostles there, he's there just, there's just, there is two chicken right, right.
• 1:22:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they apparently get a greater prize, but it felt more like he was trying to keep his people in line as opposed, like, because the message is,
• 1:22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Except for you guys.
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just hanging on you guys get seats.
• 1:22:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys get You get prime plus.
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you guys are good.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't just have free shipping, but next week You get TV shows.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but next week.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to I'm going to preach the same thing again Yeah, don't forget you I already gave you the 12 seats.
• 1:22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're good.
• 1:22:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're good.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, to hang in there You get 12 seats.
• 1:22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he says all of this and then is basically Peter stopped calculating heavenly salaries.
• 1:22:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kingdom membership isn't a merit system, even though it clearly fucking is.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, depending on who you are apparently.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now we're going to get into the last will be first and the first will be last.
• 1:22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we touched it briefly in chapter 19, but now we're going to really get into it.
• 1:23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 20 here.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: The most common interpretation of this is what you and I always thought, which is the humble are exalted, those overlooked now will be honored later, you know, the meat shell and hair it.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:23:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this fits themes throughout Matthew.
• 1:23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that that's how most of us want to be.
• 1:23:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not really that's kind of the general interpretation in the world.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the most common.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's another interpretation that says that late converts receive the same salvation as lifelong believers and this fits the vineyard story.
• 1:23:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last is first and the first is last.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the last showed up, but they got paid first and the first showed up, but they got paid last.
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that fits the vineyard story.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 1:23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that it?
• 1:23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is interesting, actually.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then we get into interpretation three, which is just that's the fucked up bullshit that I already mentioned, okay, and that's what we're getting into.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, according to the Christian perspective, the Gentiles who have long been without God, right?
• 1:24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They will now enjoy all the privileges of the new covenant and the Jews who have enjoyed all these things from the beginning.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: they will now be dispossessed of them.
• 1:24:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And because they hear rejected God or Jesus, sure.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He in turn rejects them.
• 1:24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so my question, as I'm going through this, I'm looking for answers, isn't that kind of anti-Semitic?
• 1:24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Jesus Christ?
• 1:24:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
• 1:24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely became fuel for anti-Semitism, but there is an important distinction before I jump to that.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but call me your tits wife.
• 1:25:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let us keep in mind, Jesus himself was Jewish, his disciples were Jewish, Matthew and the writers thereof were writing within a Jewish context to a Jewish audience and originally all of these arguments were more like an internal family dispute.
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: which we mentioned.
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But be that as it may.
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is still like.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And my understanding is by the time this was written by people that knew Matthew, but not that aren't Matthew, that the anti-Semitism might have been a little bit real at that point.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly.
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna go with,
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So over time, Gentile Christianity, of course, as we know separated from Judaism.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the rhetoric shifted into the Jews had their chance, they rejected God through Jesus, through rejecting Jesus.
• 1:25:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: How dare they?
• 1:25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 1:26:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, it gets such great points, you know?
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they say, we are the true Israel now.
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that gets into like some of the laws that we see enacted today and why Christians are so excited today because they're like we are the new Israel and yeah okay yeah okay see I thought about that wrong probably most of my life actually because I thought I was more of a
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: the me back to.
• 1:26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then there was like a, people phrased it as Israel's going to come long, but they're going to be last.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the last ones that I've heard that so many times, but the Israel will be the last to join, right?
• 1:26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how it gets interpreted a lot, right?
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're still part of the club, but they're going to be last.
• 1:26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that has to do with that same phrase.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: God.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The first, the last verse and the first shall be last.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: The
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: see some Christians do adopt that, but others say, yeah, no.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They will get accepted at all.
• 1:27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's multiple ways to interpret that.
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now that, yeah.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's what I was like, wow, that's that's really very, very terrifying.
• 1:27:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
• 1:27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is because this is over 2,000 years old and it is still something that has very well.
• 1:27:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Christians in America today are grappling with and they are grappling with it on the world stage and are laws in this country reflect some of this and now our war machines are
• 1:27:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, to answer the question, why do we talk about politics?
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we reading the Bible?
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is why.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: This specific phrase that I just looked into answers that question, amply.
• 1:28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, we've been doing this almost six years now, right?
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And six years ago, I don't think I could have predicted how relevant this discussion would be.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because, yes, it was, it was, it was, it was an issue back then, right?
• 1:28:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been this year whole lives, but it's, it's a year.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's amped up.
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that phrase and understanding it and understanding what it means to certain people, right?
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That,
• 1:28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have chills.
• 1:28:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, and that's the scary fucking rhetoric that's coming out of our government at this point is straight out of the Bible for nefarious reasons, that like you don't, you can't fully understand until you understand the backstory a little bit, right?
• 1:28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of this is not being done by someone, like Trump doesn't understand what he's doing, but he's being pushed by people that do.
• 1:28:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
• 1:28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're Steven's Miller.
• 1:29:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And well, yeah, or you're whatever.
• 1:29:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's all kinds of people in the background that are pushing for for reasons that are questionable at best.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 1:29:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, yeah.
• 1:29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was scary.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that would shake your boots.
• 1:29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that theology actually has a name.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's often called super-sessionism or replacement theology, which sounds awfully close to replacement theory.
• 1:29:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jews will not replace us.
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That we saw not to use chanting, right?
• 1:29:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, interesting, yes.
• 1:29:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: The terrible shit that can come from fucking religion.
• 1:29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hate it.
• 1:29:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
• 1:29:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is terrible.
• 1:29:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has always been terrible and it's going to continue to be terrible as long as we allow it to be terrible.
• 1:29:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
• 1:29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So super session or replacement theology is the belief that the church replaced Israel, the capital C church, that term that we've seen Jesus start using, replaced Israel in God's covenant.
• 1:30:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it has contributed to centuries of anti-Jewish prejudice and persecution, and while not all Christians accept this today, it was enormously influential throughout Christian history and helped justify centuries of anti-Jewish attitudes and persecution as it would.
• 1:30:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Many modern churches explicitly reject super-sessionism because of its historical consequences, but not nearly enough of them and not nearly loud enough for my satisfaction.
• 1:30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you that.
• 1:30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would like to see that more in louder.
• 1:30:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, toward that end, um, I recently watched a video by Dan McClellan on YouTube called on Texas requiring Bible reading in public schools.
• 1:31:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um,
• 1:31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went over.
• 1:31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good video.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to send you the link because I very much want it attached in the show notes and I want everybody.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is your homework if you made it this far.
• 1:31:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely watch this video.
• 1:31:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's shorter than 20 minutes and it's well worth the watch.
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: He goes over the list of what was originally in 2023, I believe, the list of chapters and verses that were chosen to be read in public schools, and then the updated list that was just upheld.
• 1:31:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the updated list, and he talks about how in the
• 1:31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: in the list, I was so frustrated while I was watching this.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, he's saying that if they were reading from the Bible for like a comparative religion study or as a literary text, that would be one thing.
• 1:32:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're so clearly not because the majority of the text come from the new testament, only one from the old testament.
• 1:32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're all from different translations, depending on which one will give the picture that they're trying to paint the most.
• 1:32:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: and he goes into a little bit of like, from the Genesis story, the interpretation that he says that the school is choosing for classrooms is utilizing a verb in the blue, perfect, blue, perfect.
• 1:32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: whatever, it's grammar, okay.
• 1:32:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's saying that like, you know how there's two versions of the Genesis story because there's two different authors, two different stories that were like meshed into one and that scholars know this.
• 1:33:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are some interpretation, some translations that
• 1:33:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: they take a verb and change it in the second part of the story to make it better mesh.
• 1:33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: with the first part.
• 1:33:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of seeing God planted the garden or whatever, it says God had planted the garden to make it seem like that had already been done to make the, because you know, between the two, there's different orders of when God created like light and human and you want all that.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you change the verb format, it makes the two stories aligned in the correct order that Christians want to say it, happened in.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the Greek and the Latin have something to say.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're like, we would like a word.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just one of the many examples of the ways that they Texas have really
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not just forcing this, they have a clear agenda and we can know that, but to just have him spell it out so deliberately, it was really worth it.
• 1:34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Damocloans criticism in this video is that the Bible is often taught confessionally, like with the theological push rather than historically or as a literary text.
• 1:34:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so students aren't being taught what the text means in its ancient Jewish context, they're being taught what later Christian theology says that the text should mean, which is, you know, what you and I have been really interested in.
• 1:34:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're being preached to as what they're doing.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's what they're setting up as curriculum in our fucking Texas public schools.
• 1:34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's ridiculous.
• 1:34:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I graduated from a Texas public school, FYI, not proud, not happy, it was already shit when I lived there.
• 1:35:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just worse than I'd ever was.
• 1:35:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Matthew chapter 20 is a perfect case study for
• 1:35:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: comparing what we're talking about here.
• 1:35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The phrase, so the last will be first and the first last, as accumulated layers of interpretation over 2000 years, and many Christians today would hear it as a comforting message.
• 1:35:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
• 1:35:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: The humble will be rewarded, or people who become Christians late in life can still be saved.
• 1:35:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's still a chance for you, just turn it around.
• 1:35:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And those are legitimate Christian interpretations, but they aren't the only possibilities.
• 1:35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because, and honestly, based on what we've covered, not them, even the most likely I would say.
• 1:35:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is very much more focused on that.
• 1:35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: the literal first and last from the way to describe, especially the way that they transition between the couple different stories.
• 1:36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like that interpretation does not sound like what it is taken as today as much.
• 1:36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's being on purpose, taken in a much happier, prettier way, which is still shitty in another self.
• 1:36:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 1:36:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you and I were really in against, um, you know, the, the pay, right?
• 1:36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and we're like arguing over the wrong fucking thing here, you know?
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, no, absolutely.
• 1:36:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, when Matthew was written, when the book of was written, Jesus and his followers were Jews arguing with other Jews about what God was doing through Jesus.
• 1:36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you read Matthew as a historical document,
• 1:36:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Many scholars think the first and the last may reflect the tensions between those who accepted Jesus and those who didn't, particularly regarding Israel's role in God's kingdom.
• 1:36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's very different from reading it as simply a timeless proverb about humility.
• 1:37:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's why we're doing it's wrong.
• 1:37:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because I think Christian's today interpreted it in a way that I didn't take at all from the messages that we read.
• 1:37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:37:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's not a single way that we read that or understood it from our study in here that correlates with how Christians view it today in general.
• 1:37:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:37:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And even that is wrong, you know, you know, like how we thought of it as kids is still not how Christians today take it, which is neither one of them is correct.
• 1:37:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just astounding.
• 1:37:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to know that there are people who probably understand it well and good and they're in our leadership.
• 1:37:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
• 1:37:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So part of the problem, and this is where Dan McLean gets into his stuff is what
• 1:37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:37:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: After all of the Jesus stuff, right?
• 1:37:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: As Christianity became predominantly Gentile, like no longer associated with just some Jews doing a different Jewish thing over there.
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Many Christians began reading verses like this as proof that the Jews were first, but they rejected Jesus.
• 1:38:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, they became last while Christians became God's new chosen people.
• 1:38:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of.
• 1:38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's interesting is that if a curriculum teaches only the Christian devotional interpretation that God rewards the humble while omitting the verses historical setting and it's later use in super sessionist theology.
• 1:38:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Students will miss both the original context and the
• 1:38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a we're teaching the fluff pieces.
• 1:38:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just that we're teaching the Bible to kids.
• 1:38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that we're teaching them all the worst parts of the Bible in all the worst ways right with no context.
• 1:38:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right and it's not it's not great.
• 1:39:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
• 1:39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good husband.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 1:39:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to bring it home now.
• 1:39:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're about finished up here, um, but that was my favorite part right there.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, then we move on and Jesus reveals the fate waiting for him, you know, for the third time he's like,
• 1:39:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, can these guys sit next to you?
• 1:39:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can they?
• 1:39:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're already getting a throne, but could they have like next to you throne?
• 1:39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:39:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, fuck, right?
• 1:39:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's the thing.
• 1:39:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: In one of the other gospels that we're going to read, it won't be the mom that asked.
• 1:39:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be the two boys themselves.
• 1:39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: the two boys, the two men.
• 1:39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:39:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: The two disciples saying, can we sit next to you?
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:39:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's interesting how it kind of wrong and at least one of them.
• 1:39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what we find what I have found reported throughout Matthew is that the book of Matthew softens.
• 1:40:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember it didn't come first.
• 1:40:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It borrowed from Mark, I believe, and some of Luke.
• 1:40:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it softens a lot of the, the, this might make the guys look bad.
• 1:40:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 1:40:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:40:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was like, no, the boys didn't ask the boys mom asked on their behalf.
• 1:40:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because she wanted, you know, bitches be great.
• 1:40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:40:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So James and John clearly wished for high ecclesiastical honors.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Given our knowledge of how the Supreme
• 1:40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is interesting.
• 1:40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Prince of the Sanhedrin sat in the midst of two rows of senators or elders.
• 1:40:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: On his right hand sat the father of the Sanhedrin and on his left sat the sage.
• 1:40:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: These three transacted all businesses and the absence of the president.
• 1:41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the authority of this council was at some period's very great and extended to a multitude of matters, both ecclesiastical and civil.
• 1:41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So basically she was asking, can they have elevated privileges?
• 1:41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can they be part of the leadership, not just in status, but in decision-making?
• 1:41:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus is like, just so you know,
• 1:41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: As I said in my last Q&A, well it's going to fly.
• 1:41:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get his.
• 1:41:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for me to decide.
• 1:41:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's up to my father who is God who is not me because y'all weigh and Jesus are definitely two different entities.
• 1:41:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not the same entity.
• 1:41:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
• 1:41:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck?
• 1:41:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Catholics might try to tell you they are so fucking different.
• 1:41:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are not the same, not the same, not the same.
• 1:41:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is given in that it is two different religions.
• 1:41:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: quote unquote the son of God is Christian right sorry y'all don't get to be the same there is no trying a day it's not even in the Bible anyways.
• 1:42:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come on but ice cube vapor and watery.
• 1:42:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: anyways.
• 1:42:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they're like, could we be big bosses and make decisions?
• 1:42:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, fuck no.
• 1:42:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's like, maybe I don't know.
• 1:42:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for me to say, but he's up to God.
• 1:42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not even sure you know what the fuck you're asking.
• 1:42:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like how he just commands things that he wants, but then he's like, I can't make it a decision here.
• 1:42:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything else is ambiguous, you know, C. But Moses was wrong for sure.
• 1:42:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moses was definitely wrong, but everything else was C. Yes.
• 1:42:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So then Jesus answers James and John's mom or whatever.
• 1:42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:42:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you ask for a place of special status, do you even know what the fuck you're asking?
• 1:42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jesus shows that sufferings.
• 1:42:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not worldly honors are to be the lot of his most faithful followers.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like y'all gonna get hit.
• 1:43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna suck
• 1:43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so if I'm gonna get hit really hard, regardless of my faithful follower, can I have that seed still?
• 1:43:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's letting him, you know, only Gloria God will see.
• 1:43:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, no, but I'm saying like, it doesn't really change their requests.
• 1:43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, you already said it's gonna suck.
• 1:43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and as long as it's gonna suck anyways, it must well get some gold and leadership out of it.
• 1:43:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, the disciples react and they're like, Ooh, right.
• 1:43:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then Jesus goes forth and bees marry or whatever.
• 1:43:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:43:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he heals two blind men.
• 1:43:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And because why not?
• 1:43:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:43:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently in other gospels, there's only one blind men, not two.
• 1:43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.
• 1:43:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
• 1:43:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was a weird way for the chapter of the anime.
• 1:43:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was really weird.
• 1:43:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, can we hail to Black people?
• 1:43:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But let's not forget, these were not set up as chapters.
• 1:43:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: These were scrolls that were like, Oh, sure.
• 1:43:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 1:43:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I guess.
• 1:43:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:43:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: This probably started the next chapter, actually.
• 1:44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:44:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
• 1:44:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:44:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: As it's still, it is one of this.
• 1:44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's stupid as one of this.
• 1:44:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is.
• 1:44:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.
• 1:44:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The new testament so far has been just way to,
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does not adhere to the Old Testament like at all.
• 1:44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:44:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unless it wants to.
• 1:44:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's infuriating.
• 1:44:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then only sometimes.
• 1:44:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then, and Jesus is just kind of not cool.
• 1:44:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is very, he's such a fucking grifter.
• 1:44:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I never knew he was such a grifter.
• 1:44:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, pre-reading this, I was under the impression that he was just like this really good guy and he was like a leader and he was trying to teach peace and love, right?
• 1:44:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like in my head, he was buddy Jesus.
• 1:44:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, uh, hippie and now I know he was a grifty mother fucker.
• 1:44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I do not like it.
• 1:44:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does feel that way.
• 1:44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not, it doesn't sit well with me.
• 1:44:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 1:44:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: This whole book so far has been very disconcerting to me with regard to what my impression was of Jesus prior to entering the New Testament.
• 1:45:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Since I didn't know and I could only base it on what Christians told me.
• 1:45:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:45:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:45:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: he's not peace and love.
• 1:45:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you that.
• 1:45:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not as much as I thought for sure.
• 1:45:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:45:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying there's not been a couple good messages and stuff.
• 1:45:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're have been.
• 1:45:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
• 1:45:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be fair.
• 1:45:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You always had a couple too.
• 1:45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And some of these dudes did.
• 1:45:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that good messages are coming more.
• 1:45:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Frequently, with Jesus than they did with Yahweh, but they're enemies with some really shitty messages also.
• 1:45:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's also more frequent.
• 1:45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't fix things for a woman or slave, so I don't fucking care.
• 1:45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.
• 1:45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
• 1:45:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:45:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You had anything else for us?
• 1:45:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I spoke more than enough.
• 1:45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:45:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was our Q&A for Matthew chapters 19 and 20.
• 1:45:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that the next time we do an episode, we will be coming back to read what?
• 1:45:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Little Matty chapter 21.
• 1:45:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:45:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you then.