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E173: Antisemitism, Mentors, & Content Creation w/ Trent Horn · The Lila Rose Show

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  With fellow Christians there is an added element of fraternal
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  correction that you don't have with non Christians.
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  Yes, that we are called with one another, but.
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  You're supposed to do that in private.
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  Yes. Very importantly, right?
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  Not on a YouTube platform. Well, the the way I look, here's
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  what what I try to do with all of this.
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  My goal is I would like to become Mr. Mihaki.
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  Show me Wax on, wax on. There's a big difference between
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  this country has done absolutely nothing wrong and this country
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  is committing genocide. Trent, welcome back to the
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  podcast. Thank you.
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  It's great to see you. Oh.
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  It's great to see you too. Thanks for making it out to
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  California. It is a bit of a chore to come
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  out here to Orange County. I'm like, am I going to come out
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  to Orange County in winter, you know, in Southern California?
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  But I was willing to to brave it for for your show.
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  The only thing missing is Laura. I know that that's always the
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  thing missing. Only one missing.
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  Everything in life is is Laura Horne so.
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  How's Laura doing? She's doing well, you know,
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  people have. Missed her channel?
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  I know. So she had her channel Too Far
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  with Laura Horn and she was having so much fun with that.
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  What made it interesting was when she created a channel and I
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  was helping her do that. It's just, and I have a video
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  production background, worked at a Community College TV station,
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  so and I used to edit a lot of the videos for Council of Trent
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  until we hired our new professional editor, which I'm
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  so grateful for. So doing that with Laura
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  originally, we never thought it would be like this big YouTube
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  channel. We just, Laura and I just have
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  all kinds of jokes and inside jokes of one another and she's
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  just a really funny person. We thought we got to share this
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  with just like our friends. I just thought like it would
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  just be so fun. She made a lot of new friends
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  with her channel. I know, but then there's the,
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  then there's the pressure. Yeah, the pressure, the
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  consistent, like do it, do this again every week or whatever.
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  Dance. Monkey dance.
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  Monkey dance for me. By the way, this is free and
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  you're expecting, you know, and then there's, there's this ideal
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  the YouTube algorithm. It will punish you like if you
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  don't Yep, upload regularly if you don't meet the expected
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  demand. Cause originally it was just, it
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  was just something fun we wanted to do and yeah, to show people.
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  And that's where I think that the, the success of her channel
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  and if she like really leaned into it, mm hmm.
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  It could have become something like that, or it could have
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  completely fallen apart like a lot of people who.
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  Just no, it wouldn't. It would have kept growing a
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  lot. It would have Oh, I she was
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  crushing it. I.
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  I think so. And I think one of the reasons
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  was that it was organic. Yeah, we didn't create it.
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  Like we get a lot of requests. Some people will ask us, I want
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  to start a YouTube channel. How do I do that?
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  I want to have this. I want to create this big
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  channel for this thing that I care about.
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  But Laura was never trying to create it.
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  We never wanted to make a huge channel.
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  She did not want to make a huge channel.
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  She wanted to have fun. I wanted to have fun with her.
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  We wanted to have fun, so. Did it stop being fun?
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  Yes. It became work.
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  It became work. I I.
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  The bigger it got, the less fun it got, in a way.
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  Like the more consistent it had to be for it to continue to
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  grow. Feed itself it was.
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  The fun went down. We didn't wanted to spend our
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  time. Eventually it came to a point
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  where, oh, another two weeks has gone by, people are expecting
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  something else. I was, I'll be honest, I was
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  expecting my weekly lower horn video.
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  So then it then it becomes essentially, we're having
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  another job. Now it's bringing in income with
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  ad revenue and sponsors, but we as a family, we're praying about
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  it and discerning do we want to have, do I want to have another
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  job? Like I have my job that I have
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  to work full time? And then Laura now has this job
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  where, and a lot of people, that's what they think they want
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  as like a mom, like imagine, oh, what if I made a YouTube channel
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  and I could work from home and I could be home and I could create
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  this income. Oh, there's just because you're
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  from home, there's still a lot of work in it.
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  And once the video is published, the work doesn't stop.
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  There's the comments, there's people say online, there's
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  managing all of that. And especially with comedy, you
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  have to have a sense of vulnerability.
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  If you're not willing to be vulnerable and self deprecating,
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  you're not going to be funny. Like think about like the
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  funniest comedians you can think of.
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  They. Put it all out there.
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  Oh yeah, it's all on the line. Jim Gaffigan, Conan O'Brien.
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  Even among female comedians, someone like Taylor Tomlinson,
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  for example, you have to be self deprecating and even just a
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  little bit off or zany or crazy to want to go out.
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  So it wasn't just that Laura was even just creating content of
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  like here I'm going to share this thing I'm doing.
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  Comedy is so difficult. And I I think Laura's really
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  happy. It's like you because at some
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  point you think about comedians is you'll think like, oh, I used
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  to listen to them. Eventually they stopped being
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  funny to you. You know, it's very hard to stay
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  funny for a long time, and so I'm really grateful that we just
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  got to do something fun, put it out there and that portfolio is
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  there. One thing I'm I'm really
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  grateful about is I used to go on point.
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  You know, I'd go on pints Aquinas and I would talk to Matt
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  Frat said I love being married to Laura.
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  She's so funny. And that would say, Oh, Laura's
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  the funniest person, funniest woman I've met, funniest person
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  I've ever met. And people would think Matt was
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  just flattering me. And then now they can actually
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  see what I was talking about. And that's what I think.
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  I hope that Laura and we, I've even talked with her about maybe
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  like doing a book kind of relates to being a wife and
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  being a mother and. Some books are so easy to write.
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  Well, I got, I got some. What's nice is I have, you know,
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  some. Practice can write.
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  Trent can write the book for Laura.
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  Is that what it is? Well, I've done the.
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  Ghostwriter Husband. I did Co authorship support.
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  Well my book made this way with Layla Miller.
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  So Layla is a Catholic mother grandmother fireball, passionate
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  for the for the faith takes no prisoners.
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  And we worked on a book made this way about how to explain
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  tough moral issues to kids. And our writing style was Layla
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  would would just kind of give me a stream of consciousness, like
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  here's what I think about all this.
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  And then I would kind of connect all the pieces together and add
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  the footnotes. So it was, it was just taking,
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  shaping her experience as a Catholic mother, Catholic
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  grandmother, teaching. Can you do that for me, Trent?
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  Because I have a ridiculously long word vomit I have booked
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  right now. So my publisher, it's a two book
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  deal and I have the second book that I have to write and it's
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  been looming over my head for three years and the attention to
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  detail required to like get that all situated.
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  Ghost riding at night again, just.
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  Well, this is a little, this is a yeah.
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  I mean, it's, it's a project. Well, that's I'm like trying to
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  hire Trent right here on the camera.
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  He's like, and by the way, can you write my book?
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  A lot of it's written. It's just a mess.
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  Well, and that's what I love. I love kind of putting.
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  There's a lot of random stuff, some of some of it less random
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  than others, but. Yeah, I love when I can see
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  connections and put all of it together.
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  And so with Layla doing that book we made this way, it was
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  really great book. I highly recommend to others.
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  But when I was doing the channel with Laura, you know, the, the
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  back end there was, we would film the content, Laura would
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  create it and I would do the editing content, editing the
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  content. And then I'm at night on the
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  couch. You know, we're trying to maybe
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  watch a show together to spend time together.
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  But are we really spending time? I'm editing the show and she's
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  watching. Something so just with Laura, if
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  there was someone who could edit her stuff, would it still?
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  Would it be less of a burden or no?
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  It's just, it's just not the right.
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  Thing you still have to film, you know, you got to you got to
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  get out the iPad babysitter for the toddler Yeah, and nobody
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  wants. To do too many, too much stuff.
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  Yeah. And, and even once the kids are
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  all in elementary school and they go to a wonderful parish
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  elementary school, I don't know. There is just that pressure.
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  And I think we're really grateful that now when we hang
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  out together just as a family or as husband and wife, we don't
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  always have to think, oh, save that.
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  That'd be great for an episode. Now, what we love to do is say
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  this would be a funny episode. And we talk about it and we
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  laugh, and that's the end of it, Yeah, Instead of having to
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  create a bunch of work out of it.
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  I think the the thing that's interesting there for me is this
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  idea that you can be really good at something and you could also
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  really enjoy something and you still aren't supposed to be
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  doing it for any given season. Yeah.
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  And I think that's a good thing that give people permission that
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  just because you're really good at something and you really
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  enjoy something doesn't mean you should be doing it or you have
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  to do it. Yeah, there's distinguishing
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  between your, your passions, your hobbies and your job and
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  your vocation and finding a balance between all of those
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  things to know that your job isn't your vocation, your job
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  may not be your passion for something to be enjoyed as a
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  hobby. And I think Laura and I have
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  gotten into different hobbies. Right now we can say it's hard
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  for her channel. It couldn't be a hobby.
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  It can't be a hobby if you're worried about what other people
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  think and there's money tied to it that isn't really that's a
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  job now, that's just a hobby is something you do just for
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  personal enjoyment. Leisure.
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  Leisure, yeah, it refreshes you, but the channel was something
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  that took energy. Way it gave some back but also
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  took energy. So and it it was a net negative
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  with the energy ultimately. Yeah, it was, and it's a season,
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  and who knows, maybe things will change in the future.
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  But for now, we have a wonderful balance.
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  I can focus on my secondary vocation of being a Catholic
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  apologist, but really rejoice in my primary vocation of being a
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  husband and a father. That's something that will never
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  change. One day I might not be a
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  Catholic apologist. I don't know.
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  God may not call me to that, call me that anymore.
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  He'll always call me to being a husband and father until he
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  might use fatal means to end that vocation.
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  And that's up to him. We're getting very dark all of a
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  sudden. Where the where the mind goes,
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  it goes. But if you think about it like.
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  We could die right now. And you need to be.
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  Are you ready for that? Are.
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  We. Ready are you living your life
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  so that you have kept everything in its proper priority?
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  So that if you were to just drop, drop dead in this moment,
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  I'm at peace. I have all of my priorities in
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  place, primary vocation, you know, my relationship with God,
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  my primary vocation, however it's lived out and whatever
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  secondary vocations I might have.
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  It's a good thing to just sit with for a minute and a good
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  thing to ask on the daily. On the daily.
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  One thing I think about daily is death and what if I yeah,
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  momentum more. And we're supposed to think
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  about that every day. What if today is the last day?
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  Our priest gave a wonderful homily during this Advent
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  season. What I'm going to do, He said
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  that he's going to prepare for December 25th to be the the day
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  that he dies. Like what if I died on December
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  25th? Christmas Day.
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  Yeah, Christmas Day, because Advent is the preparation for
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  Christmas and that Advent we talk about the, the coming of
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  Christ, the, the, you know, meeting Christ and a lot of the
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  readings Advent are, are related to, you know, the second coming
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  meeting Christ at the end of the world.
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  Statistically speaking, most of us are probably meet Christ at
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  the end of our own particular worlds.
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  So preparing for either you're, you're prepared for the same
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  thing. And that's what's always
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  important to do. And that it's good to have
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  hobbies, It's good to have fun. Doesn't mean that you should be
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  shrill or, you know, be a killjoy or something like that.
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  But having proper balance so that you can live every day for
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  God knowing that it could be your last day.
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  And that's, that's OK. You're not.
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  You're not putting things off. And then live with that peace
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  too, because it's gotten God's will and, and A and a levity.
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  I think that's the other thing is like, don't take it too in
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  one sense, take it so seriously because we can die any day and
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  death is it is it could be a moment away, but also take it
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  lightly knowing that this is all God's and so we are just his
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  children and we can trust in him and do our best.
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  And then let it go and get over yourself.
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  Get over ourselves and laugh at ourselves.
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  You're a You're a vapor in the wind.
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  Yeah, we really are. We really are.
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  Yeah, and that's why you. Really are.
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  I love with Laura's channel, especially for a lot of moms out
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  there who feel a lot of pressure.
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  And it's just like, oh, I've got a if I am not saying my 3:00
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  daily rosaries and always perfectly nurturing my children
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  on homemade granola without processed foods and doing all
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  this stuff with them. I'm a failure as a as a wife and
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  a mother and of course, fathers also, you know, feel a lot of
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  these pressures as well that oh, I'm not doing every everything
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  perfectly. I love for Laura's channel to
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  give people permission just to kind of laugh at themselves.
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  Be like, God, call me to this. I will do the best I can, Even
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  if I'm that mom who brought the snacks into church, you know, or
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  you're, whoever that may be, or I am the mom or I'm the mom or
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  the dad who acts all nice and then lightly takes the kids
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  cheek and says, if you don't knock it off, I'm going to kill
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  you and peace be with you. So just to to laugh about it.
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  I know that when we do well, give thanks to God, and when we
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  don't do well in life, just relax.
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  Odds are in 200 years, no one's going to remember who you were
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  anyways. And if they do remember, it's
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  either because you're a canonized St. or you're an
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  incredibly infamous person. So I'd rather just be an average
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  person that went to heaven and nobody remembered who I was, you
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  know, so. Did we have that conversation
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  last time about should someone, oh, that was with Matt, actually
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  with Matt Fred about should we should people want to be a St.
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  AKA a canonized state? And Matt's like, no, no, no, you
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  should not want to be a canonized St.
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  You should just want to be a St. And I was like, oh, interesting
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  that. I mean, I guess that makes
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  sense. Yeah, I I guess it it depends.
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  On the motivations maybe. You know, wanting to be, wanting
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  to be a very holy person isn't bad in and of itself, but I
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  think there's always going to be a spiritual hazard there.
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  If I want to be a recognized person, I think that pride is
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  always going to find a way to get the camel's nose under the
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  tent. What's the litany of humility?
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  There's that line that's so powerful.
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  Lord, may other people be holier than me.
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  I'm getting this wrong. I want to look it up.
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  May other people be holier than me, providing them as holy as I
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  meant to be. OK.
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  I think that's the line. Does that sound right here?
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  Why not? Did I get it right?
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  Why not? Why not?
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  If you get it wrong, it doesn't matter.
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  It doesn't matter. If I get the litany of humility
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  wrong. Yeah, because guess what?
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  Be humble about it. Oh, you know, I'm not perfect.
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  Nobody is. I definitely don't have that
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  litany memorized, let's just say that.
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  But that's the one line that stuck out to me because it's
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  like you can pray, pray for a virtue, pray for holiness, but
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  you want it even more for other people.
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  Like that's, there's something very beautiful there.
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  Well, I think that you're going to be the most successful in
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  anything to do with your vocation if you're doing it out
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  of a genuine love for what you're doing instead of trying
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  to get the attention of others. And then ironically enough, if
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  you're doing it out of genuine love, that will bring that will
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  bring attention. So it's like it's going back to
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  Laura's channel, right? We I've known people who wanted
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  to start YouTube channels specifically to get attention
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  and they have 20 subscribers and nobody wants to pay attention to
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  them. But Laura starts channel just
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  because she wants to have fun and then it creates natural.
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  Don't see that. Yeah, I.
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  Think the best things that create attention, the ones that
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  aren't done out of manipulative click bait, but the most genuine
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  things that they do work like that, Yeah.
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  What's the Speaking of manipulative click bait?
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  OK, well, no, I'm like and your channel, no, your channel is not
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  manipulative click like. But I am curious.
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  I want to talk about some of your content you've been making
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  because some of the topics I think are really, really awesome
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  and important and we actually haven't discussed them in depth
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  on the show yet. And I wanted to get your
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  thoughts on them. But I am curious when you're
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  deciding your content and you're deciding your thumbnails.
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  And I know you're not like personally doing your thumbnails
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  you someone helping you with that, but do you guys have rules
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  about it can't be XYZ click baity or you're like as long as
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  it's at least telling the truth about the content, it's OK to
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  make the the thumbnail as clickable as possible.
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  Yeah, I think that what's. Your What's your philosophy on
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  that? I think the term clickbait can
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  often be overused. The idea that if a thumbnail
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  that generates a lot of interest is clickbait and so it's bad,
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  that's nonsensical. Your thumbnail is one of the
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  most important ways in an online video platform to advertise.
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  Here's my video and why it's important, and you should watch
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  it. There's nothing wrong with
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  telling people. Like, really, The thumbnail and
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  the title are the two most important things to say.
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  Here's my video. Here's why you should watch it.
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  There's nothing wrong with answering that question.
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  So some clickbait is truthful good it's designed to do what
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  it's supposed to do. But then bad clickbait in your
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  view would be what? I would say that it's it's
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  deceptive. I would say it's clickbait isn't
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  wrong as long as it delivers on the bait, as long as it delivers
• 17:16
  on the bait, as long as if you click on it and it the thumbnail
• 17:19
  just sucked you in. But it was that's not what the
• 17:22
  video was about or the video was totally different or if that
• 17:24
  thing featured is not even in the video, that's clickbait and
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  I think is wrong. Now some people say, Oh, well,
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  there's sorted, you know, base topics that are put into a
• 17:35
  thumbnail just to attract people of let's say a video, a
• 17:39
  thumbnail with an immodest woman in it.
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  And the video deals with just about her being immodest.
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  And so it, it's, it's not clickbait, it's just, it's just
• 17:47
  garbage. And, and this kind of garbage
• 17:48
  can sell itself quite well online.
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  So I, I would say if you're concerned it's, it may not be
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  about clickbait, it just may not be.
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  If you say, oh, that's a clickbaitie thumbnail, you may
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  be more averse to the kind of content versus the way the
• 18:02
  content is marketed and share with others.
• 18:04
  You have to make that distinction.
• 18:05
  So you you do 2 videos a week right?
• 18:08
  Yes, and the audio free for all Friday for our audio listeners,
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  but primarily 2, yeah, 2 episodes a week.
• 18:15
  And we were talking about this before.
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  I don't know if we had the we were, we were having a good
• 18:19
  conversation before this conversation, but we can
• 18:21
  recreate it. We can recreate it.
• 18:22
  That's the worst. It's like, what did I say and
• 18:23
  how did I say it? But you were sharing about how
• 18:26
  you do your content and and we're going to get into some of
• 18:29
  the content in a minute because I really want to talk about what
• 18:33
  the anti-Semitism stuff and some of these topics.
• 18:35
  But you are sharing how you decide your topics and then that
• 18:38
  you take the time to actually write out and footnote and
• 18:41
  research your videos. Share about that because I do
• 18:44
  think it's a unique way to do content in a world of content
• 18:48
  that it sometimes is pretty last minute, you know, not as
• 18:53
  intentional maybe, right. And your style, I know, is
• 18:56
  because you're a writer that is part of your gifting.
• 19:00
  And so you're doing the writing and then you're you're reading.
• 19:02
  But share kind of your approach to content.
• 19:04
  Yeah, so it wasn't always like that.
• 19:05
  So Council Trent began in 2018 as a standard podcast, so audio
• 19:11
  only. I turn on the microphone.
• 19:12
  If there's something going on in the world or even just
• 19:14
  apologetics or theology, I'll talk about it.
• 19:18
  And so I'll discuss it, talk about it into a microphone, and
• 19:20
  it's just kind of my own thoughts thinking it over.
• 19:23
  I might have a little bit of a framework or a outline of what I
• 19:26
  want to discuss, and I just put that out there.
• 19:29
  Then in 2020, during the pandemic, I think the pandemic
• 19:32
  just started, I uploaded A rebuttal video.
• 19:36
  I saw there was a Protestant apologist who had made some
• 19:39
  videos critiquing Catholicism that were watched by a lot of
• 19:42
  people. So I said, OK, I'm just going to
• 19:44
  show some of his video. I had my commentary after that
• 19:47
  why he's incorrect. And so I, I put a few of those
• 19:50
  on for a YouTube channel and they did quite well.
• 19:54
  Then about two years later, I started taking my audio episodes
• 19:57
  and just turning on a camera. Then just, I'm talking and
• 20:01
  here's the camera going because I say, hey, my, I can reach more
• 20:03
  people by just putting it on YouTube.
• 20:05
  And I think a lot of YouTube channels, they began as podcast
• 20:08
  people just turned on a camera or webcam and keep talking about
• 20:10
  it. And then another year, year
• 20:14
  later or so. I decided I wanted to make
• 20:16
  things more intentional. So for my rebuttal episodes and
• 20:18
  I'm rebutting incorrect theology, for example, or, or
• 20:22
  bad morality, whatever it may be.
• 20:23
  If I'm taking a bad video on YouTube saying here's why it's
• 20:25
  wrong, I usually I like to script it out.
• 20:27
  That way I'm very clear. And then I thought, why don't I
• 20:30
  just do that for all my episodes?
• 20:32
  That way I can make sure that I'm always clear and efficient.
• 20:35
  And So what I'm trying to do with my content is I want
• 20:37
  content that's going to edify people.
• 20:39
  It's going to, I try to find what's interesting, what will
• 20:43
  build up the Kingdom, what will edify my listeners, what will
• 20:46
  lead them to truth, to Jesus Christ, to his church, What's an
• 20:50
  interesting connection maybe other people haven't seen.
• 20:52
  Put all of that together and then, yeah, ride it out so that
• 20:56
  I'm disrespectful of their time. People, I don't want to take
• 20:59
  people away from the important things they have in their lives.
• 21:03
  I mean, people only have so much during the day and I don't want
• 21:07
  to be someone that just sucks someone off the Internet.
• 21:09
  Instead, I might say, hey, look, here's my 15 minute video
• 21:12
  because if I didn't script it and I just spoke
• 21:14
  extemporaneously on the same thing, it would probably take, I
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  It depends on the subject, how if I'm if I have to do a lot of
• 22:25
  research or not, but I would say 4 to 8 hours.
• 22:32
  It's really good stuff, Trent and I, and I, the people that
• 22:35
  watch it, it proves that because when you put out a video, you
• 22:38
  immediately get like 30,000 people or more just to
• 22:41
  immediately want to hear that, watch that.
• 22:44
  And you're, you're, you're in a teaching role.
• 22:46
  I mean, you're a Catholic apologist professionally and
• 22:49
  you're teaching and I think that is such a uniquely important
• 22:53
  role. So thank you for doing it.
• 22:55
  Seriously. It's and, and, and you're
• 22:56
  always, I think, slam dunking it, slam dunking it with the,
• 23:01
  with your take on stuff because it's not just this is what the
• 23:03
  Catholic Church believes and this is what Christians should
• 23:06
  you know, know about this. It's also a wisdom about
• 23:09
  applying the the faith, the morality, the philosophy to
• 23:15
  these everyday trends, news, events, whatever, and some
• 23:19
  things that are quite frankly confusing because there are
• 23:21
  really good Catholics, really good Christians who might be on
• 23:25
  opposite sides of an issue that is morally unclear.
• 23:30
  And I always and I see. You I think you do a good job of
• 23:32
  identifying those issues and then a shedding light.
• 23:34
  So I'm. Good to see where the other
• 23:35
  person is coming from, especially if it's things that
• 23:38
  we disagree about. If, if I see a critic, I'll try
• 23:41
  to say, you know, oh, well, I remember once I met a
• 23:46
  Protestant. Oh, no.
• 23:48
  I saw a Protestant author. He was writing about some of my
• 23:50
  work. And he said, while I disagree
• 23:53
  with Trent Horn, I appreciate that.
• 23:56
  When I read some of Trent's writing, I'll read something and
• 24:00
  I'll think to myself, yeah, what about this?
• 24:02
  And then in the very next line, Horn will write.
• 24:05
  However, a critic might say this and and so I'm always trying.
• 24:09
  To steel Manning. Steel Manning, I'm trying to
• 24:12
  grant where other people have a valid point when when it comes
• 24:16
  to various issues. I want to see where they're
• 24:19
  coming from. They could still be wrong.
• 24:20
  I want to point out where where their error is.
• 24:22
  But I think also finding common ground is helpful.
• 24:25
  I mean, when I started doing apologetics, I started doing
• 24:27
  pro-life apologetics in the early 2000s.
• 24:29
  And so engaging people on the issue of abortion, we were
• 24:32
  taught, you know, find common ground to say, you know, someone
• 24:35
  who advocates for abortion. They could be right about some
• 24:37
  things. They could be right about
• 24:39
  problems with social conditions. They could be correct about
• 24:42
  these ancillary issues. And it's OK to validate that
• 24:45
  before you go to the central topic of disagreement.
• 24:48
  Yeah, very good, Very good that that approach is taken because I
• 24:53
  think people can come into it and you're more likely to
• 24:56
  persuade someone if you answer their objections.
• 24:59
  Yeah. And that they at least.
• 25:02
  Feel like you heard where I'm coming from, right?
• 25:04
  You see where I'm coming from. You don't just completely
• 25:07
  misunderstand. I think half the battle is to be
• 25:10
  heard, yeah, but you might not be heard in that you're sitting
• 25:13
  down with a person, telling them your objections, telling them
• 25:16
  your concerns. But if they represent that for
• 25:18
  you, like they have heard you without actually hearing you
• 25:22
  directly, then I think that's very powerful to persuade
• 25:25
  people. I.
• 25:25
  Remember, after I had my debate with Destiny on the Whatever
• 25:29
  podcast, I, I went on Ben Shapiro show and I talked about
• 25:32
  a little bit and Ben said, you know, here's what's wrong with
• 25:36
  that argument that Destiny would make.
• 25:39
  And I said to Ben, I said on, on the show, well, actually, I
• 25:42
  think Destiny would make this particular version of the
• 25:45
  argument. And so this is a kind of
• 25:48
  argument he would make. And then, you know, here's
• 25:50
  what's wrong with that. And I watched Destiny actually
• 25:53
  reviewing me being on the show talking about him.
• 25:56
  And he said, well, I'll give him that.
• 25:58
  He's not terrible at reproducing my argument.
• 26:01
  So I'm willing to take that backhanded compliment to say,
• 26:04
  OK, no, I I see exactly where you're coming from.
• 26:07
  And that's just why I love things like philosophy and
• 26:09
  logic. I fell in love with it.
• 26:11
  My first Philosophy 101 course at Scottsdale Community College,
• 26:15
  home of the Fighting Artichokes. Literally, that was the mascot
• 26:19
  is an artichoke. So yeah.
• 26:21
  So I just love how you can use logic and reasoning to to
• 26:25
  critically analyze something. And I think it's important to to
• 26:28
  use our heads when we do. A lot of people just want to use
• 26:31
  their guts. Just like, I'm just going to go
• 26:32
  with this gut feeling. Here's how I feel about it.
• 26:35
  And your feelings aren't bad. That is a helpful guide in some
• 26:37
  cases, but we got to use our heads too.
• 26:41
  So what has been one of the the most important topics to cover
• 26:45
  that you've covered? I have some in the back of my
• 26:47
  mind, but I'm curious your take on this over the last few months
• 26:50
  that is most essentially said building up the Kingdom of God
• 26:53
  and that are, you know, important for people's clarity.
• 26:58
  I think over the past few months, really over the past
• 27:02
  year, I've had more of a focus on those who identify as
• 27:07
  Christian or Catholic or conservative, but who are
• 27:11
  espousing values that are just directly contrary to the Gospel.
• 27:16
  So while they use Christian language, it's so funny.
• 27:19
  It's very similar to how you'll have these liberal, progressive
• 27:22
  Christians who will use Christian language but defend
• 27:26
  evils like abortion or sodomy. And much the same, I'm seeing
• 27:31
  something similar where you have people on the right or the far
• 27:34
  right who use Christian language to defend racism, anti-Semitism,
• 27:42
  contempt for women. And I try to be very careful in
• 27:47
  offering these criticisms because, I mean, there's all
• 27:49
  kinds of people that that say I'm racist, that say I hate
• 27:52
  women. So just the charge, you're
• 27:53
  racist, you're misogynist a lot of times.
• 27:55
  Just, you know, I'm sure people tell you you're a misogynist all
• 27:58
  the time. You know, I hate women.
• 28:00
  Yeah. You want to roll your eyes in
• 28:01
  the back of your head, but just because.
• 28:03
  It's funny when the man tells you you hate women.
• 28:05
  I'm like, yeah, whatever. What?
• 28:07
  Happened What happened to trusting women?
• 28:08
  What happened to trusting women? Believe all women except me.
• 28:12
  So you want to roll your eyes in the back of your head, but just
• 28:15
  because there are false allegations of racism or
• 28:19
  misogyny, it doesn't follow that there aren't true examples of
• 28:23
  it. And so I, I, I've done, I did an
• 28:25
  episode recently called how being based based quote, UN
• 28:29
  quote can send you to hell. And among those on the far
• 28:32
  right, I'm seeing this very an anti Christian attitude, one
• 28:36
  that delights in vulgarity, profanity, verbal abuse,
• 28:41
  outright contempt towards women or towards.
• 28:46
  People in general, I see that. Well, people who aren't them.
• 28:49
  Yes, let's, I want to pause there for a SEC because I want
• 28:52
  to get into the granular on this, but just kind of talking
• 28:55
  high level for a minute because I see what you're describing and
• 28:58
  I see it almost daily. Yeah.
• 29:00
  And a lot of the times, you know, I try not to let it take
• 29:04
  away my piece or anything. And I, I also think like I'm not
• 29:06
  the world's cop, you know, like of the conservative movement to
• 29:11
  tell people what they're doing wrong because I do wrong things
• 29:13
  too. It's not like I'm better than
• 29:14
  anyone else or anything like that.
• 29:16
  But to your point, I think it's very easy when you're in the
• 29:19
  more conservative movement space or the more Republican side of
• 29:22
  spaces to be critical, like the progressive Christian or the
• 29:26
  pro-choice Christian or whatever.
• 29:28
  And of course it is completely inconsistent with anything
• 29:31
  Christianity to be in support of killing God's one of God's
• 29:34
  children, right? So that's a no brainer.
• 29:36
  Easy to argue. But then you get into like
• 29:39
  you're describing people that identify say as conservative
• 29:42
  based, Republican, whatever they are identifying Christian,
• 29:47
  Catholic, who then are also promoting some things that are
• 29:51
  also antithetical to the faith. But you don't want to, you know,
• 29:55
  judge people on just one tweet that they did right, Because I
• 29:58
  think there's also, you know, there's all it's, it's a very, I
• 30:01
  guess I'm trying to say it's a very fraught, dangerous
• 30:04
  territory to walk through of pointing out the plank in other
• 30:10
  people's eyes or activities when you know, you know, I know you
• 30:14
  know this about yourself, your your humble man.
• 30:16
  And I know I'm like, you know, the first Sinner.
• 30:19
  We're both falling for short of the glory of God, but then to to
• 30:22
  also feel strongly like we have these opportunities.
• 30:25
  We should be speaking. And especially you have been
• 30:28
  taking this on in the last few months, which I applaud you for
• 30:30
  speaking out about these concerning.
• 30:33
  I would just call them at best misunderstandings about what it
• 30:36
  means to really be a Christian or a conservative.
• 30:40
  And we're going to get into the grinder of what this looks like.
• 30:43
  But I guess my question for you like high level on this first is
• 30:50
  do you worry or how do you manage concerns that you are
• 30:57
  poking too much at our own brother, sister, right?
• 31:01
  Friendly fire. Friendly fire while also
• 31:06
  avoiding tribalism, right? And let's define tribalism.
• 31:09
  Tribalism is basically saying you're part of my team, so it
• 31:14
  doesn't matter. Like in this context, the I'm
• 31:17
  not going to hold you to the same standard as the people over
• 31:19
  there because you're have my, you're wearing my same badge.
• 31:22
  It's like at a sporting event, it's like when you're when
• 31:24
  you're at a sporting event and you're rooting for your team and
• 31:27
  you're always going to root against the refs when they're
• 31:30
  against you. But when the refs rule against
• 31:32
  the other team, you're not going to, you know you're not going to
• 31:35
  say anything. You treat it as you just want to
• 31:37
  win. Not that everything is done, not
• 31:39
  that everything is done fairly. So all that matters is your team
• 31:42
  winning, not the rules, not nothing's being carried out in a
• 31:45
  fair and just way. What about loyalty though?
• 31:48
  How do you how do you consider loyalty in that dynamic?
• 31:51
  Because we there is a loyalty we owe to like our Christian
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  brothers and sisters. There's certainly a loyalty
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  Yes, that we are called with one another, but.
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  You're supposed to do that in private.
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  Yes, I think. Very importantly, right?
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  Not on a YouTube platform. Well, the the way I look, here's
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  what what I try to do with all of this, what I try to abide by
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  first, I'm not going to make the private public people say, why
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  are you criticizing so? And so why are you making this
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  such a big deal? Why are you doing it publicly?
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  Why don't you go directly to that person?
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  And my response in those cases would be, well, they they have a
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  public platform. It's not like they told me this
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  at a party and I made a huge YouTube video about it.
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  That would be uncalled for. And it's the same for me.
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  Like if someone has a public platform and they air their
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  views, they open themselves up to public response and public
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  criticism. Some of it may be full throated
• 33:35
  criticism, some maybe. I agree with XY and Z, but not
• 33:38
  AB and C, and that's fine. People do that to me all the
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  time and they should do that if they have a disagreement.
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  So if if someone has made something public and has put
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• 33:50
  causes harm to people, then I would say there is a duty to
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  hey, here's, here's a big concern.
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  I think this is a problem. And then they don't do anything.
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  So it's like. Then you still feel a
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  responsibility. You still feel a responsibility.
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  It's a so I would say look, if they have a public platform and
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  they do this publicly, it can merit a public response.
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  And 2nd, what I try to do is I just try to focus on the most
• 34:17
  egregious examples. So like for example, like being
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  based can send you to hell. As I said, claiming that someone
• 34:23
  is racist, that has almost no meaning in society today.
• 34:26
  But that's why I try to pick specific examples.
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  When people say that it's sinful to marry someone of another
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  race, or they openly mock and deride adopting a child of a
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  different race, or they have icons that venerate Adolf Hitler
• 34:42
  as a St., you've lost the plot. 100,000% Here's the next
• 34:47
  question, and I'm kind of doing devil's advocate here because I
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  think what you're doing is actually really, really
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  important and I'm trying to steal man it a bit.
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  That's fine. Somebody might say, OK, agree
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  100% yeah, there's not like some big mainstream influencer doing
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  or saying those things. That's what the response,
• 35:05
  because you could find literally any comment you want online,
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  literally any hating yourself, hating XYZ, hating the faith,
• 35:14
  claiming to be a Christian while doing XYZ.
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  Usually they have anonymous accounts, occasionally not, but
• 35:18
  usually it's anonymous account like trad boy 27 or whatever
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  right and so and you can make some content around taking that
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  comment. You know, Deus Vault said, you
• 35:28
  know, I love Adolf Hitler, you know, Christ is king or like
• 35:31
  some crazy thing, right? And you can take that company
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  like, look, this is a concerning trend that's happening and among
• 35:37
  the the alt right, and you can create a narrative off of 10
• 35:41
  comments and it's really 10 comments and they're probably
• 35:43
  all bots, right? And this happens every day, all
• 35:46
  day long on both sides, not just in the conservative or liberal
• 35:49
  spaces, but in really any space. You know, you go to the beauty
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  influencer community and they're going to be like talking about
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  some comments that it's just, it's the world of media and it's
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  the world of like understanding how people, you know how to get
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  attention, right? So I guess what would be your
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  rubric when you're going into this and and discerning, OK,
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  this is a troubling thing that's happening in the conservative
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  state or Christian space, but it's not just a couple of
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  counts, right? This is something that's a
• 36:15
  little bit more. I try to select to show there is
• 36:19
  conduct that is egregious. It is practiced by commenters
• 36:25
  who have a sizable platform. So someone who people say oh I
• 36:28
  know that person or I've heard of them and it is typical of
• 36:33
  them. And there's a typicality to it
• 36:34
  where there is a repeated pattern.
• 36:36
  It's not a one off thing. So I can find these so-called
• 36:40
  conservatives, far right, Christian, Catholic, whatever
• 36:42
  label they might use to say here is a typical pattern of them
• 36:45
  using obscene, verbally abusive behavior or describing women
• 36:52
  with just like an outright contempt, treating them as if
• 36:55
  they have less intrinsic dignity than men.
• 37:00
  Then once again, like with with the thing, like with women, for
• 37:02
  example, I agree that men and women are not the same.
• 37:05
  And so you'll have feminists who will say in order to treat men
• 37:07
  and women with equal dignity, you have to treat them as being
• 37:09
  interchangeable. And I would say, no, that's,
• 37:11
  that's not true. Mothers have a unique role in
• 37:15
  raising children within the home that fathers cannot duplicate.
• 37:19
  So I I think others are best there.
• 37:21
  And there's other places where women would not be well suited,
• 37:24
  such as in combat. Combat on the battlefield for
• 37:26
  example. And I'm sorry if that offends
• 37:28
  the feminists, but you can't change who men and women are.
• 37:31
  That being said though, just because we are not the same, we
• 37:34
  still possess an intrinsic dignity.
• 37:36
  So there's others on the far right who will go too far and
• 37:39
  say that women or other groups are morally inferior to the
• 37:43
  group that they belong to. And that's where that's the this
• 37:47
  troubling concern. So as I said, egregious from
• 37:50
  notable individuals. And there there's a typicality
• 37:53
  to it. There's a repeated pattern.
• 37:55
  And one more sort of steel man or objection, response or
• 38:00
  argument might be this. And I hear people say this a lot
• 38:03
  more in my personal circles because I'm gratefully
• 38:06
  surrounded by a lot of normal, everyday healthy people who are
• 38:09
  not, you know, doing social media all day.
• 38:12
  And, you know, a lot of my work at live action, this show
• 38:15
  involves a ton of social media. So that's sort of like the
• 38:17
  alternate reality. That's not really reality that
• 38:20
  we, you know, find ourselves in. We feel called to.
• 38:22
  So we're in, but it's still tricky, right?
• 38:24
  And and anyway, the prevailing notion from the normal people is
• 38:29
  why are you giving it more attention like this?
• 38:31
  Like let's just name a name Andrew Tate, right?
• 38:34
  Even naming his name right, you know.
• 38:37
  He does this thing. A lot, even naming Andrew Tate's
• 38:39
  name gives him attention. Like, you know, we're giving him
• 38:42
  attention by talking about him, right?
• 38:44
  And so there's a school of thought that there's a lot of
• 38:46
  wisdom there. Again, this is just discerning
• 38:48
  how to deal with these emerging movements or issues on our side
• 38:54
  or within our community. The more attention you give the
• 38:58
  person or the thing, the more influence you could argue they
• 39:03
  may have, and especially with social media, because this is
• 39:06
  not like competing op eds, right?
• 39:09
  This isn't like a competing books like this book presents
• 39:12
  this horrible worldview. And here's the better truth,
• 39:15
  right? This isn't a proper debate where
• 39:17
  you're sitting down with a moderator and like walking
• 39:19
  through a conversation to really help the person, you know,
• 39:22
  watching to be like, Hey, which side do I, you know, think is,
• 39:24
  is more truthful or has more truth?
• 39:26
  This is the world of social media and the world of social
• 39:30
  media, as you well know, with the algorithms and all the crazy
• 39:33
  stuff, stuff that is like obscene and outrageous and often
• 39:38
  untruthful and, and sometimes, you know, the straight up like
• 39:41
  sexualization and all this that gets a lot of virality.
• 39:45
  And So what is the role of, again, like you, how do you see
• 39:49
  your role when you're dealing with that reality?
• 39:52
  Well, I think then you have to make a careful judgment to to
• 39:57
  determine if you should talk about an individual.
• 39:59
  You're right, you don't want to give a negative voice, a large
• 40:02
  platform to be introduced to more people.
• 40:05
  You don't want to give them free advertising.
• 40:07
  However, you and I talking about Andrew Tate does not give Andrew
• 40:10
  Tate any more attention than he already had.
• 40:13
  So he is a major globally recognized figure.
• 40:16
  I would agree with that, but I push back a little bit in that
• 40:19
  yes, he's wildly popular in terms of like his following
• 40:23
  online and things like that, like his Twitter following and
• 40:25
  stuff. And but what I, what I'm trying
• 40:27
  to say here is, you know, my audience, like just now,
• 40:31
  whoever's listening, I'm sure they weren't thinking about
• 40:32
  Andrew Tate today. And now they are, right?
• 40:35
  So we all have the power to add or not add to what people are
• 40:40
  doing and the thoughts they're thinking and the thoughts
• 40:42
  they're sharing with what we choose to repeat on our
• 40:44
  platforms, right? But then it's the people who are
• 40:46
  listening to this now. What thoughts are we giving them
• 40:49
  so that we've edified them and we can build up the Kingdom and
• 40:53
  make the world a better place? So I would agree just
• 40:56
  complaining it may not be a good thing, but that's why I like I
• 40:59
  said, I script my episodes. I have a particular goal.
• 41:01
  So for those who are listening now, what could be most helpful?
• 41:04
  Well, if they didn't know about Andrew Tay, but they have a a
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  nephew or a grandson who watches a lot of Andrew Tay content.
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  And that young man is impressed by here is a guy who what he
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  sees as someone who is wealthy, that women are attracted to, who
• 41:20
  is in shape, who can fight, You know, he's a he's a professional
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  kickboxer. And young men, they are really
• 41:26
  starving for a masculine role model because we live in a
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  society that because of what feminism has done for society,
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  the role models have to be women, girl, boss, boss, babe.
• 41:37
  And young men have been pushed to the side and told you're the
• 41:40
  bad guys and there's no one for them to look up to who, who is
• 41:45
  their role model. So, and if the the media wants
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• 42:48
  Who do you think their role model should be?
• 42:50
  Jesus Christ, the Saints, I think there's other men out
• 42:55
  there even. Trent Horne and met Fred.
• 42:57
  Don't, don't look at look to me what not to do.
• 42:59
  He's, you know, I would say those young men listen to
• 43:02
  somebody like Father Mike Schmitz.
• 43:03
  Yeah. Look, look, look.
• 43:04
  Here's somebody. He's awesome.
• 43:05
  Well, here's somebody to say look.
• 43:07
  But don't, don't undercut yourself.
• 43:09
  You're awesome, Trent, and obviously Matt's awesome father,
• 43:11
  Mike. There are really great men out
• 43:13
  there who are in media who are great role models.
• 43:18
  Yeah, or there's even there's there's guys who are I'm, I'm
• 43:23
  going to give a qualified endorsement here.
• 43:25
  But Boss Rutten, for example, is he, he was an MMA fighter.
• 43:31
  He has a hilarious self-defense video that if you took it
• 43:36
  literally, you probably would actually go to prison because he
• 43:39
  just, it's almost like too violent.
• 43:41
  But he's spoken at Catholic conferences, for example.
• 43:44
  I think for young men even be able to see that they can see
• 43:45
  somebody like Tate to see that there's guys who you can be
• 43:51
  manly, you can be someone. And I think that's a big thing
• 43:54
  like MMA Joe, look at Joe Rogan, for example, like he, he came
• 43:58
  out of that. And he's also a very confident
• 44:00
  individual to be able to see these young men.
• 44:03
  They want somebody like that. But then so we're talking about
• 44:05
  Tate and they they, they have a nephew, a grandson, like, oh, he
• 44:08
  really likes listen to this guy. He wants guys to be confident.
• 44:10
  He wants them to take control of their lives, to not sit around
• 44:14
  being dejected and, you know, just, you know, play video games
• 44:17
  and be losers. But then to say, oh, well, did
• 44:21
  you also know that Andrew Tate is a pornographer?
• 44:23
  He's a pimp. He's he's been accused of using
• 44:26
  loverboy and Romeo tactics. No, he's admitted it on tape.
• 44:29
  That's what he does. It's not even an accusation.
• 44:31
  OK, good. Because I don't need litigious
• 44:33
  nature here as we can prove it. No, it's it's clear there.
• 44:36
  Yeah, that like he's. Made his money as income by by
• 44:39
  turning women into prostitutes and just to show the things he
• 44:43
  says and he does. And that's why on my show I've
• 44:45
  shown like some of the crazier things that he said so that
• 44:48
  these people watching and say to their these young men in their
• 44:51
  lives. Did you know Andrew Tate does
• 44:53
  this and that? Is that someone you really want
• 44:55
  to look up to? It's it's also tricky because
• 44:58
  some of these folks like Tate and then also like Nick Fuentes
• 45:01
  is another one. They they know that the more
• 45:06
  outlandish that they say things, the more attention they're going
• 45:09
  to get, especially from people like you potentially or even I
• 45:11
  might talk about on our show. And again, I'm not like saying
• 45:13
  they're just do specifically making it to get, you know, us
• 45:16
  to talk about it, but they do want people in general to talk
• 45:18
  about Atlantis things they're saying.
• 45:19
  Well, I don't know. I know some of these individuals
• 45:23
  have complained when I will share the very awful things that
• 45:28
  they have said in public forums, claiming that they're taken out
• 45:31
  of context when they're not or saying, yeah, but but he also
• 45:34
  said something really good, you know, I.
• 45:36
  Think they're just making they're riding the content gravy
• 45:39
  train there would be my view. Like they're just creating
• 45:41
  content off of the content to create more content.
• 45:43
  But The thing is. How much of it is that I guess?
• 45:46
  But I guess I, I see your concern, like you don't want to
• 45:48
  feed the trolls, but at the same time, if we stand by and do
• 45:52
  nothing right and their influence grows and grows and
• 45:55
  grows and nobody is willing to offer the counter signal, then
• 46:01
  I, I think that is an abdication.
• 46:02
  So I do think when they get to a point where when they get to a
• 46:06
  point where if you Google them, they take up lots and lots of
• 46:09
  Internet real estate and they're saying awful and horrible
• 46:11
  things. I mean, you do something.
• 46:13
  I mean, imagine somebody told you, Lila, why do you talk about
• 46:15
  abortion so much? Like that'll give people an idea
• 46:17
  just to have an abortion like you never think like what?
• 46:20
  No, I, I need to talk about this.
• 46:23
  It's not like you talking about abortion doesn't give abortion,
• 46:26
  you know, free advertisement or something.
• 46:27
  Like, I think it's a little different one in this case, the
• 46:29
  abortion we're using that, you know, that analogy is actually a
• 46:34
  person that has a platform that wants attention to what they're
• 46:37
  saying. So it creates curiosity around a
• 46:39
  personality. But I agree with you, by the
• 46:42
  way, I'm, I'm doing this because I, because I know like everyday
• 46:46
  people wonder these things. And it's like, why, why do
• 46:48
  people, why do content creators, content creators, why, you know,
• 46:51
  why are we picking certain topics?
• 46:53
  Why the focus on certain things? And some of it may be
• 46:55
  self-evident, but I do think showing the philosophical
• 46:59
  background for the thought process, the the wisdom that has
• 47:01
  gone into why talk about this? Well, I'll give you an example.
• 47:04
  Like I was very torn when Matt Frat asked me to debate H Pearl
• 47:08
  Davis on his show on the subject Is marriage Bad for men?
• 47:11
  I really wrestled with that and some people were critical of me.
• 47:14
  He's clout chasing. You know, why is he, you know,
• 47:17
  why is he even engaging the absurd things that she says?
• 47:21
  Like, why would you even engage that?
• 47:22
  And I really wrestled with it because what Pearl says is not
• 47:25
  is nonsense. A lot of what she says, typical
• 47:28
  of a lot of these influencers, it's often contradictory or
• 47:31
  incoherent because they're just saying what their audience wants
• 47:33
  to hear, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense to, you know, to
• 47:36
  get views. So I wrestled with that, like,
• 47:39
  yeah, it's not the best person to engage.
• 47:42
  But she has 2 million subscribers.
• 47:44
  She's been on Piers Morgan. She has been called the female
• 47:47
  Andrew Tate, you know, so she has created, you know, she will
• 47:51
  still keep growing even if I don't do anything but to engage
• 47:53
  our debate and for her to be unable to answer my arguments
• 47:57
  like she's claiming, oh, marriage is just the the worst
• 48:00
  thing for men. You know, it's it's awful.
• 48:02
  It's a death sentence. And I asked Pearl, if it's such
• 48:04
  a death sentence, why do 80% of married men say they're happy?
• 48:07
  Why do 65% of divorced men get remarried again if marriage is
• 48:12
  just this horrible, awful thing? And she said, well, they're all
• 48:15
  these guys must be lying and crazy.
• 48:17
  Yeah. And you could tell that she had.
• 48:18
  It's the classic case of taking the worst possible anecdote and
• 48:22
  applying it to the, generalizing it and applying to every
• 48:25
  everything. And so engaging her right was
• 48:28
  able to show that to many. I think that was good that you
• 48:31
  did that. Yeah.
• 48:32
  I was asked by Tim Poole has his had a debate show.
• 48:36
  This was like a year or two ago to do something similar.
• 48:39
  I couldn't do it because I have babies.
• 48:40
  And it was not, it wasn't in the card.
• 48:42
  So I'm glad you, you know, I'm glad there was a Catholic that
• 48:45
  did that. But I think it was particularly
• 48:47
  tragic about that is that she is Catholic, she said.
• 48:50
  Or at least, she said she's Catholic.
• 48:51
  And then she'll say stuff like, I don't know if I'm into
• 48:53
  Catholicism because they give the Virgin Mary so much
• 48:56
  attention and she's just a woman, right, guys?
• 49:00
  K pick me girl. Yeah.
• 49:02
  It's a, it's a sad thing. And I just want especially I
• 49:05
  have a heart out for a heart for these young disaffected men
• 49:10
  because I mean, I was like that in the early part of high
• 49:12
  school. I remember feeling out of place,
• 49:15
  not knowing, you know, what am I supposed to be doing in life?
• 49:17
  What am I, why do I feel, why does it always feel like I'm
• 49:19
  doing everything wrong? Even if I'm trying to do things
• 49:21
  right? And you start to, sometimes
• 49:23
  you'll get the sense of I am doing things right.
• 49:24
  It's a world that's unfair. So screw the world.
• 49:27
  I'm just going to retreat to those who understand me instead
• 49:31
  of taking a healthier stock of oneself while recognizing that
• 49:35
  the world is unfair. That's Adam Nee's fault.
• 49:37
  We just have to live with it. But that doesn't mean that we
• 49:40
  should be bitter and cynical. What it means is we should cling
• 49:43
  closer to Christ. Christ is the ultimate answer to
• 49:46
  the world's unfairness, and eventually everything will be as
• 49:50
  it should be. I'm not going to say that it's
• 49:51
  it will be fair. It's more of a human concept.
• 49:54
  But Christ will right every wrong.
• 49:57
  And are we going to be on his side during that journey or
• 50:00
  against him? Amen.
• 50:02
  So the being based may send you to hell video.
• 50:06
  What have been some of the other sticky ones you've waited into
• 50:11
  recently? Well, I said that, you know,
• 50:15
  being anti-Semitic isn't isn't a great thing.
• 50:17
  We probably shouldn't do that. And then people.
• 50:20
  Why is that controversial? Well people have concluded that
• 50:23
  I am a converso I I am secretly in the the employ of a Jewish
• 50:28
  cabal to somehow destroy the Catholic Church by creating
• 50:32
  content to help people be Catholic.
• 50:37
  Anti-Semitism. That one grinds my gears.
• 50:40
  Yeah, it makes me very. I've had a lot of moments where
• 50:44
  I'm like, should I say something on this?
• 50:46
  And I have said been actually pretty vocal in the last year
• 50:48
  about Israel. But also a lot of Israel is the
• 50:52
  Jewish people. It's not the same, but they're
• 50:54
  very interconnected and I've yet to find good answers to certain
• 50:59
  objections to the people that claim that they are not
• 51:03
  anti-Semitic, they're just anti Zionist.
• 51:06
  I think that's what the response would be.
• 51:08
  And I know that was a response that you got a lot for that
• 51:10
  video that you created. But there's a lot of people who
• 51:13
  say, well, we, we don't have any issue with being Jewish per SE
• 51:16
  in terms of like your ethnicity. We have an issue with the
• 51:19
  religion because it's not Christianity, right?
• 51:22
  They may say or they'll say we have an issue with the state of
• 51:25
  Israel because they're so evil or they've done, they won't even
• 51:28
  say they're so evil. Again, I'm trying to steel man
• 51:30
  them a bit. They've done really
• 51:32
  unconscionable things and they're not being held
• 51:34
  accountable. So that would be like the person
• 51:37
  who says I'm not anti-Semitic. Come on, stop that.
• 51:40
  You're saying that like everyone's a racist.
• 51:42
  You know, you're using anti-Semitism like the word as
• 51:45
  people use the word racism today.
• 51:47
  Just everybody is this way. Here's why I don't buy that.
• 51:50
  I don't buy that because many of these same people will say, why
• 51:54
  is Trent Horn talking about this stuff?
• 51:56
  And they'll say, Oh well, he's a Jew, he's a member.
• 51:59
  Of the Trump people have literally asked me on Twitter
• 52:01
  whenever I say anything about this, are you a Jew?
• 52:03
  Are you Jewish? I'm like, I'd be proud to be
• 52:05
  Jewish if that's what was my it's not, but I would be proud
• 52:07
  of it. And so there but that that in of
• 52:10
  itself, right? What does that tell you if
• 52:11
  someone's asking you? What tells you is that they
• 52:14
  believe. That you're anti-Semitic?
• 52:16
  What they what it tells you that they believe that possessing a
• 52:19
  certain genetic and ethnic makeup makes you morally
• 52:23
  inferior to others. It makes you.
• 52:26
  More morally blind would be right.
• 52:28
  Yeah, well, that's. An inferiority, Your inability
• 52:30
  to assess what's good and evil. They would say, oh, you, of
• 52:33
  course you do that. You're a Jew.
• 52:36
  Classic anti-Semitism. That's that's they will do a
• 52:39
  bait and switch. Because I would agree that being
• 52:41
  critical of Israel is not anti-Semitic as long as you're
• 52:44
  applying the same standards to Israel that you would to any
• 52:47
  other country or nation state. So yeah, there could be people
• 52:50
  who will like cut Israel a break because they're Jewish and
• 52:53
  that's wrong. You shouldn't do that.
• 52:55
  But then there's others who will be critical of Israel when if a
• 52:57
  similar country did the same thing they would not be
• 53:00
  critical. They're just trying to go after
• 53:03
  it's because they're ethnically Jewish that's that's the issue.
• 53:06
  So yeah, being critical of Israel as long as it's fair.
• 53:08
  That's not anti-Semitic saying that Judaism is a false
• 53:11
  religion. Judaism is false because it
• 53:14
  rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Jews should come to believe
• 53:17
  Jesus as the Messiah and be received into Christ Church.
• 53:20
  None of that's anti-Semitic to talk about the errors of of
• 53:24
  religious Judaism. But I've noticed that the bait
• 53:26
  and switch will say, oh, I'm just against the religion, not
• 53:28
  against the ethnicity. But then they'll say, oh, look
• 53:32
  at here's a Jew in pornography or abortion, and it's just they
• 53:37
  have a Jewish. Surname.
• 53:38
  That's the worst. And they'll say it's typical
• 53:40
  the. Jews do.
• 53:41
  Yeah. And so if a Jew is.
• 53:43
  Particularly evil. In a bad thing, it's because the
• 53:46
  Jews are morally inferior and they they do this and so there
• 53:50
  it's not about the religion anymore because a lot of the
• 53:51
  people they're citing, they're ethnic, they're ethnic, they're
• 53:53
  atheists, they're not even. What's so tragic about that is
• 53:56
  like, I consider Benjapiro one of the most honest people in
• 54:00
  media today. And I don't even saying that.
• 54:02
  Some people just hate, love to hate Ben Shapiro.
• 54:05
  Not on the left. There's some people on the right
• 54:06
  now. And it just grinds my gears when
• 54:09
  it's like, yes, of course there's some people of any race
• 54:13
  and many religions who are going to be doing really bad stuff.
• 54:17
  And to say that, well, because they are, it's like the guilt by
• 54:20
  association. Classic logical fallacy.
• 54:23
  And that is, that is anti-Semitism, to do the guilt
• 54:26
  by association thing. It becomes insane because you
• 54:28
  could say, well, I could find white people, I can find
• 54:30
  Christians, you could find you could find a similar pattern.
• 54:33
  And then these people, you know, say, you know, like I could find
• 54:36
  people like Joseph Stalin, for example, kill millions of
• 54:38
  people. And then the anti semites will
• 54:40
  say, oh, but he actually was Jewish or he had a Jewish wife
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  or he had. So they, they, they spiral down
• 54:46
  the rabbit hole more and then they're inconsistent.
• 54:48
  So if if you point out, for example, that Jews are
• 54:51
  overrepresented in medicine or they are overrepresented like
• 54:55
  .2% of the global population, but they're 20% of Nobel Prize
• 54:59
  winners, they aren't willing to say, oh, they must be this
• 55:02
  superior race or they're, they're really, really good.
• 55:05
  It it just like makes them mad. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't say
• 55:08
  they're a superior race. What I would say is we should
• 55:11
  treat all human beings as having equal dignity and equal moral
• 55:16
  worth, regardless of their sex or their I.
• 55:18
  Think some of those same folks are, are quick to say something
• 55:21
  like, well, Asians are many, you know, Asian people come here as
• 55:25
  immigrants and they're like doing really well socio
• 55:27
  economically. And then they will be be very
• 55:30
  critical of other ethnic demographics that they claim
• 55:34
  have more advantages but are doing less, are doing more
• 55:38
  poorly socio economically. And so they're, they're, I think
• 55:41
  there's a lot of, I think hypocrisy is a strong word, but
• 55:45
  certainly there's, it's not a, it's not a even handed approach
• 55:51
  to say, look at this ethnic group that's killing it.
• 55:55
  And then we don't like this other ethnic group because
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  they're just not, they're doing such a poor job.
• 55:59
  But then at the same time, Jews are, you know, at large there's
• 56:02
  a lot of Jewish people who are doing really well
• 56:05
  socioeconomically and therefore they're bad or therefore they're
• 56:07
  corrupt or therefore they they got there for their unfair
• 56:10
  means. It's failing to look at the.
• 56:11
  World totally unraveled. It's failing to look at the
• 56:13
  world as it is. And Catherine McCulloch, who?
• 56:16
  Well, you've had her on the show.
• 56:17
  She's amazing, love her. She is a professor of economics
• 56:21
  at CUA. We Co wrote a book together, Why
• 56:24
  Cath, You know, can a Catholic be a socialist?
• 56:25
  The answer is no. Here's why.
• 56:27
  Always have to have a subtitle in there.
• 56:28
  And we advocate in that book for Christian realism of seeing the
• 56:34
  world as it is, but understanding it through a
• 56:37
  Christian framework. So understanding that there are
• 56:39
  inequalities among individuals, there could be inequalities
• 56:43
  among groups. Groups of people grow up with
• 56:46
  different advantages and disadvantages.
• 56:49
  So for example, like if you look at Europe versus Africa, Europe
• 56:53
  geographically has a lot more going forward to allow for
• 56:56
  things like global trade like navigable rivers and safe
• 57:00
  harbors. And Africa does not have that as
• 57:02
  much and has a harsher geography and, and climate and things like
• 57:06
  that. So that will create inequalities
• 57:08
  among groups. And even we we talk in our book
• 57:12
  about how, you know, there's these inequalities and the
• 57:14
  socialists, they're the ones will try to cling to the
• 57:17
  inequalities and say that we need overarching government to
• 57:20
  remedy that. And then that's the far left
• 57:22
  that the socialist communists will idolize.
• 57:26
  They're using, I think those that have anti-Semitic views
• 57:29
  will use effectively far left arguments while claiming to be
• 57:32
  conservative for why the Jewish, the Jews are having too much
• 57:36
  control or authority. There's far left anti.
• 57:38
  Influence, I mean, it's on both sides, yes, well.
• 57:40
  Yeah, because it's funny. There's a lot of people on the
• 57:42
  far, you know, you have people like David Duke and Louis
• 57:46
  Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam. They don't sound that different.
• 57:49
  Well, that's the thing. Like the farther left you get,
• 57:51
  the farther right you get, you get, the more alike you get.
• 57:53
  Yeah. And that's what's happening, so.
• 57:55
  With the inequalities, you'll have socialists and communists
• 57:57
  trying to really harp on that, then on the far right taking the
• 58:00
  inequalities to try to make a comment about people's intrinsic
• 58:03
  dignity or in their inherent moral worth as persons, which is
• 58:08
  also wrong. It just fails to see.
• 58:09
  Now pretending the inequalities are not there, I think is is
• 58:13
  also wrong. You can understand that there's
• 58:15
  going to be certain, let's say immigrant groups, demographic
• 58:18
  populations that have difficulties with fatherless
• 58:22
  homes or with a poor educational outcomes.
• 58:26
  So it's wrong to pretend like the differences don't exist and
• 58:30
  there's no problem or that the problem is just some kind of
• 58:32
  amorphous structural sin. But it's also wrong to say that
• 58:36
  the the difference is the demographics or destiny that
• 58:39
  this just shows that's just who these people are and there's no
• 58:41
  no fixing it. To see that the world is just is
• 58:43
  just much more complex. And Christ calls us to treat all
• 58:46
  people with equal intrinsic dignity and to care for them and
• 58:51
  to tend to their spiritual and their corporal needs.
• 58:54
  So one thing that really on the anti-Semitism front that and
• 58:58
  I've seen this increasingly since October 7th last year, I
• 59:02
  mean, it's sort of sprung up more than I've ever seen it.
• 59:04
  And I know part of that is saying, well, the ID FS response
• 59:07
  to October 7th has been, you know, this is the argument has
• 59:10
  been so out of proportion and you know, they're basically
• 59:13
  raising Gaza and it's just human rights abuse.
• 59:15
  So that's, you know, fueling some of this commentary online,
• 59:19
  right? I look fundamentally, though,
• 59:21
  earlier you said, you know, of course people who are Jewish
• 59:24
  should be treated equal and dignity to anyone else, someone
• 59:27
  who's Muslim, someone who's Christian, anyone else, they
• 59:29
  have equal dignity as, you know, human beings.
• 59:33
  I do, and I agree with that. Of course, I look, though, at
• 59:36
  the state of Israel. And the reality is the state of
• 59:38
  Israel is surrounded by largely host countries that are hostile
• 59:42
  to the beliefs of most Jewish people.
• 59:46
  And I do think that's an important acknowledgement that
• 59:49
  never seems to be. Many of them are hostile to the
• 59:51
  existence of Jewish. People and and many of them, the
• 59:53
  existence of the American people, by the way, and that's
• 59:56
  that's by the way, one of the reasons we're allies.
• 59:58
  But anyways. But it's never part of the
• 1:00:00
  conversation weirdly which it just stuns me and whenever I
• 1:00:03
  forget. Them chanting death to America
• 1:00:05
  all the. Time well, whenever and when I
• 1:00:07
  say this, I've said this a few times, mostly like on X, you
• 1:00:10
  know, and I, I'll do like a little Twitter essay once in a
• 1:00:12
  while, but I haven't, you know, written a book on this or
• 1:00:14
  anything but it it, it kind of I marvel at the fact that there
• 1:00:18
  are you could say 49 Muslim majority countries and Israel is
• 1:00:24
  surrounded by Muslim majority countries, many of them who are
• 1:00:29
  not just hostile to Israel, but they're hostile to the United
• 1:00:31
  States. Not all OK, and there's certain
• 1:00:34
  Christian minorities that exist in some of these countries and
• 1:00:36
  certainly exist in Israel. But I say this to say the idea
• 1:00:41
  that it is not, it is not acceptable for the Jewish people
• 1:00:46
  to have one little tiny state, but that it is OK for all of
• 1:00:50
  these other countries to have many of the Muslim states.
• 1:00:53
  Muslim is the official religion of the state is Islam, excuse
• 1:00:56
  me, is the official religion of the state.
• 1:00:59
  I don't ever hear a good response to that from folks who
• 1:01:02
  are saying they can't. It's so unfair that Israel has a
• 1:01:05
  state, that the Jewish people have a state.
• 1:01:07
  It's. Always interesting to me because
• 1:01:08
  older anti semite anti-Semitic literature would support
• 1:01:12
  typically getting Jews out of one's country or area and
• 1:01:17
  letting them go live in their own place if.
• 1:01:19
  You're the contest is what is the place that they're going to
• 1:01:22
  be OK if you're the. Conclusion is no place.
• 1:01:24
  Well, that takes us to a much grimmer and darker.
• 1:01:27
  The final. The final.
• 1:01:29
  The final. Solution.
• 1:01:29
  The final darkest. There's no place for them.
• 1:01:31
  The final, darkest end of anti-Semitism is it begins.
• 1:01:35
  There's no place for you here or there or there or.
• 1:01:39
  There, if you trace the history of the Jewish people, that's
• 1:01:41
  been so much of their story. Yeah, there was such a.
• 1:01:43
  Diaspora, that's been so much of their story and I just think
• 1:01:46
  that whole narrative is not acknowledged.
• 1:01:49
  Not narrative meaning it's been constructed, but that historical
• 1:01:52
  reality has not really been acknowledged by the people who
• 1:01:54
  say I'm not anti-Semitic, but I don't agree with the state of
• 1:01:57
  Israel. I don't agree that that Israel
• 1:01:59
  should have a state or they, they're particularly hard on
• 1:02:02
  Israel, meaning they're not looking at the human rights
• 1:02:04
  abuses that are happening in most of these Muslim countries,
• 1:02:07
  many of which we do ally with, by the way, you know, we do have
• 1:02:11
  alliances with. And they're not looking at
• 1:02:14
  they're not, they seemingly don't have a concern about
• 1:02:17
  what's happening in those countries to Christians or to
• 1:02:20
  women or to any other particular group, freedom of speech,
• 1:02:23
  whatever. And then they are deeply engaged
• 1:02:27
  in criticizing anything that they see Israel doing wrong.
• 1:02:30
  So it seems unbalanced is what I'm saying.
• 1:02:32
  It seems unfair. And that's where the accusation
• 1:02:34
  comes in. Understandably so.
• 1:02:35
  Like, are you being anti-Semitic right now?
• 1:02:37
  Are you unfairly targeting this group of people and holding them
• 1:02:40
  to standards that you wouldn't hold anyone else in the Middle
• 1:02:42
  East because they're Jewish? We treat.
• 1:02:45
  We should treat people equally. I will say that peace in the
• 1:02:48
  Middle East is a bit above my pay grade to to comment on or
• 1:02:51
  global international relations. But I will say that this idea of
• 1:02:56
  equality that we treat people equally when we start to treat
• 1:02:59
  them unequally, that's where the the problems occur.
• 1:03:02
  So for example, I had Simone Rizcala on my show a while ago
• 1:03:05
  talking about. The Forgotten.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, talking about the forgotten Christian genocide in
• 1:03:09
  Armenia, the current one. That's, you know, I.
• 1:03:11
  Had her on the show talking about the same thing.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah. And you know what, if if I if I
• 1:03:15
  did a show saying that it's wrong to deny the Armenian
• 1:03:19
  genocide of Muslims committed against Christians in 1919, part
• 1:03:25
  of the founding element of the modern nation of Turkey, nobody
• 1:03:29
  would care. They'd get a few 1000 views, but
• 1:03:31
  nobody would be in an uproar about it.
• 1:03:32
  If I say that, yeah, if I say that it's wrong to to deny this
• 1:03:35
  injustice that was that was committed against Armenian
• 1:03:38
  Christians or to deny the Rwandan genocide or to deny the
• 1:03:43
  the rape of non king. And it depends on context.
• 1:03:45
  Or some people in Japan, they get really mad if they heard
• 1:03:47
  about that. That was committed by Japanese
• 1:03:49
  soldiers against Chinese civilians before World War 2.
• 1:03:53
  But I'm making an episode saying that's wrong for Christians to
• 1:03:55
  deny the Nazi Holocaust against primarily Jews with others.
• 1:03:59
  Well, then there's a huge uproar.
• 1:04:00
  OK, well, why do you, how can you say that it's wrong to to
• 1:04:03
  deny that? Well, these are the same people
• 1:04:04
  who say it's wrong to deny the idea of Israel committing
• 1:04:07
  genocide. So it's like, look, why don't we
• 1:04:09
  just treat everything equally? So when it comes like Israel and
• 1:04:12
  October 7th, I would just say, look, there's, there's a big
• 1:04:14
  spectrum. There's a big difference between
• 1:04:17
  this country has done absolutely nothing wrong and this country
• 1:04:20
  is committing genocide. Like, why can't we have an open
• 1:04:24
  field to say things like disproportion?
• 1:04:26
  By the way, there's no country that does nothing wrong,
• 1:04:29
  including the United States, so it's just right.
• 1:04:32
  Disproportionate military response.
• 1:04:34
  You can even get into things like war crimes that are still
• 1:04:37
  not technically genocide. Like I I believe that the atomic
• 1:04:41
  bombings on of Hiroshima, Nagasaki were war crimes.
• 1:04:44
  They were not genocide, it's just.
• 1:04:47
  I was talking to Robbie George about that last fall in context
• 1:04:51
  of actually some of the response by IDF to by Israel to Hamas.
• 1:04:58
  And he was making an argument for why you could, you could
• 1:05:01
  have the argument, and I'm with you.
• 1:05:02
  I'd rather be like, let's just not use nuclear or weaponry
• 1:05:05
  period when there's any number of civilians involved.
• 1:05:08
  Let's avoid that would be my immediate intuition.
• 1:05:12
  But his argument was that you can use just war theory to
• 1:05:14
  justify that because they were primarily military targets and
• 1:05:18
  they would not have wanted to bomb the civilians.
• 1:05:20
  That wasn't the intention. They wanted to get the military
• 1:05:22
  targets. Now I know there's an argument
• 1:05:23
  saying, well, they actually did want to bomb civilians to, like,
• 1:05:26
  hurt the Japanese. Not to go off on a tangent
• 1:05:30
  though, but I can't help. Tangents are good.
• 1:05:31
  Let's do it. No, there is one movie that
• 1:05:35
  keeps me up at night when I think about using nuclear
• 1:05:37
  weapons. That always fills me with fear
• 1:05:40
  is the idea. Like I wish they could all just
• 1:05:41
  go away. I understand the deterrence of
• 1:05:44
  nuclear weapons and that argument.
• 1:05:45
  Of course you wish. Of course we want them all to
• 1:05:47
  go. But the threat of nuclear war.
• 1:05:51
  It's a movie was made back in England.
• 1:05:53
  It's a British film from the 80s called Threads.
• 1:05:57
  There were two most of two nuclear war movies in the 80s.
• 1:06:01
  One was The Day After and that scared Ronald Reagan to death
• 1:06:04
  about nuclear weapons. But it's like, it's an American
• 1:06:07
  nuclear war film and British people are just much better at
• 1:06:09
  being grim than Americans. We're way too cheery like.
• 1:06:12
  It's you think that's partly because the British people have
• 1:06:15
  dealt with the bombing of their city in just the last century.
• 1:06:19
  Like the amount, I mean, we had Pearl Harbor, but we really
• 1:06:22
  mainland Americans, we've been really protected.
• 1:06:25
  We've been really protected. I mean, 911's our biggest world.
• 1:06:28
  War 211. Bomb went off in.
• 1:06:30
  Oregon that killed like a youth, a minister and and I think some
• 1:06:34
  people in his church or his family.
• 1:06:35
  It was a Japanese balloon bomb floated over here, part of their
• 1:06:38
  big plan and it landed in Oregon and it killed a few people.
• 1:06:42
  They're the only people only World War 2 deaths in the
• 1:06:45
  continental United States. For more Trivial Pursuit
• 1:06:48
  answers, follow me. But talk about privilege, that
• 1:06:51
  we've been so protected. I mean, of course there are, you
• 1:06:54
  know, many American young men and and some young women who
• 1:06:59
  died fighting World War 2, obviously.
• 1:07:01
  So I, I brought up the film though, because like, it is the
• 1:07:04
  most grim and sad depiction I've seen of, of nuclear war and, and
• 1:07:09
  more importantly, it's aftermath.
• 1:07:11
  So yeah, if if if you if you want to not feel good, watch
• 1:07:14
  threads. Do you think people should watch
• 1:07:16
  it for just Yeah sobriety? Yeah, I I do think so.
• 1:07:19
  The way that that it's, it's portrayed.
• 1:07:21
  There was another book that recently came out called Nuclear
• 1:07:24
  War a scenario. Some of it's a little
• 1:07:26
  unrealistic, but it's a minute by minute description of what it
• 1:07:31
  would be in basically just that first two hours.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah, it's. Sorry, I didn't mean to get on
• 1:07:36
  this tangent. But it's one of the things, it's
• 1:07:38
  something that keeps me up at night a little bit.
• 1:07:40
  So I mean, I trust on the Lord, but I do, I, I, I sometimes take
• 1:07:45
  five steps back and look at the macro of what's happening, the
• 1:07:47
  100,000 foot view of everything that's happening.
• 1:07:49
  And I do, I think a lot of people are concerned and they
• 1:07:52
  should be concerned about the world, the the world.
• 1:07:56
  Well, you have kids. I have kids.
• 1:07:58
  And the future that they're going to and their kids.
• 1:08:00
  Have. Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  And it's the same when we're talking about, like, these other
• 1:08:04
  influencers. Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  It's like then when I'm gone, especially if like there's
• 1:08:09
  people who are promoting things in their early 20s that are
• 1:08:11
  there. It's abhorrent what's going to
• 1:08:13
  happen when they're in their 40s and 50s who, who are going to
• 1:08:17
  be. That's why actually, something
• 1:08:18
  I'm really concerned about lately is cultivating a, a, the
• 1:08:23
  next generation of Catholic apologists influences,
• 1:08:27
  especially those who engage in apologetics who will help to
• 1:08:30
  defend the church against challenges both perennial and
• 1:08:33
  novel. And just seeing people out
• 1:08:35
  there, and I want to really encourage them.
• 1:08:37
  I'll send free books all the time.
• 1:08:39
  I've chatted with these individuals.
• 1:08:41
  I, I really want to encourage them and give them that support.
• 1:08:45
  And I have been a little bit concerned.
• 1:08:47
  Like, for example, I remember like in the early 2000s, you
• 1:08:51
  know, when or late 90s, early 2000s, when you and I were in
• 1:08:54
  youth ministry programs, there were all of these Gen.
• 1:08:57
  X speakers that would just travel around.
• 1:08:59
  And it's like, oh man, here, you know, here's Mark Hart, Jason,
• 1:09:02
  ever. Like, here's these, you know,
• 1:09:04
  this cool guy's coming to the conference and, you know, these
• 1:09:06
  like traveling speakers. But I've noticed the art of
• 1:09:09
  being a, a public speaker. It's much harder to find among
• 1:09:13
  Gen. Z.
• 1:09:14
  The people like, oh, they're known for like giving these
• 1:09:16
  great talks because I think Gen. Z is more at home wanting to
• 1:09:20
  just give, you know, do something on TikTok or social
• 1:09:23
  media just threw into a camera rather than because, you know,
• 1:09:26
  we grew up in an age before all of that.
• 1:09:28
  So if you wanted to have your message put out there, you had
• 1:09:30
  to be OK talking to a parish rally to get your message out
• 1:09:34
  there. You had to be talking to a lot
• 1:09:35
  of people actually in front. Of you I actually have been
• 1:09:37
  thinking about, I thought I've been thought I thought about
• 1:09:38
  that recently because I was considering the fact that, you
• 1:09:41
  know, my early 20s, I wasn't on social.
• 1:09:43
  I mean, we, I had social media, but for most of my journal for
• 1:09:47
  most of my 20s before I got married, I was traveling the
• 1:09:49
  country and the world giving speeches and I would give like
• 1:09:53
  sometimes up to 50 speeches a year.
• 1:09:54
  I don't know if that was, it was like dozens and dozens of
• 1:09:56
  speeches a year. And then, you know, becoming a
• 1:09:59
  mom, I turn that way down. And now my speech usually is
• 1:10:03
  like a podcast or I'll do like a social media video and I'll
• 1:10:05
  maybe do like 12 events a year or maybe 15 events a year Max.
• 1:10:09
  But I think about that because I, I wonder like, what does that
• 1:10:13
  mean for not, I mean my little contribution, but all of the
• 1:10:16
  other people out there that could be, that have the talent
• 1:10:19
  that could be speaking, but maybe aren't.
• 1:10:22
  And then what's the impact on people and their education or
• 1:10:26
  their formation that they're maybe going to less events and
• 1:10:31
  then they're also there's less of these people speaking.
• 1:10:34
  I don't know, maybe maybe it all it comes out that equal it's.
• 1:10:37
  Great if they do TikTok and YouTube and social media, I
• 1:10:40
  think that it is good. But a lot of times being able to
• 1:10:43
  go to a conference and speak one, you know, speak to people
• 1:10:47
  there and encourage for someone to go to a conference and see
• 1:10:50
  someone in their 20s doing this and really changing the world.
• 1:10:54
  Hearing them give a talk and then saying hi to them later.
• 1:10:57
  That's something that can be really life changing for
• 1:10:59
  someone, and I want younger people within the pro-life
• 1:11:02
  movement, within apologetics, Christian evangelism to be doing
• 1:11:06
  that. So, you know.
• 1:11:08
  I was telling you earlier, and I'll share it now because it's
• 1:11:11
  right in the, you know, right down the middle connected to
• 1:11:13
  what you're describing. We are launching at live action
• 1:11:16
  in the North Star Society. And the idea is to train up
• 1:11:19
  people in public policy, media and faith.
• 1:11:23
  So we're talking youth pastors, priests and then public policy
• 1:11:26
  could be the comms director for, you know, congressman's office,
• 1:11:30
  or it could be some at a think tank or a nonprofit world.
• 1:11:33
  And then media could be social media, journalism, you know,
• 1:11:36
  that space influencing even entertainment.
• 1:11:38
  But to give them not just bioethics training and support
• 1:11:42
  in that area, philosophical foundations, but also give them
• 1:11:45
  training to give the speeches, to be a communicator, not just
• 1:11:50
  on social media, but yeah. Or to do debates or yeah, to do
• 1:11:53
  that stuff. So you were very gracious and
• 1:11:55
  saying you'd love to help be a help us with that because you'd
• 1:11:58
  be fantastic. My goal is I would like to
• 1:12:01
  become Mr. Miyagi so. I love that.
• 1:12:04
  And, and it's great for a long time, people, there was a bit of
• 1:12:07
  a generation gap and Genzy didn't know who Mr. Miyagi.
• 1:12:10
  Mr. Miyagi was played by Pat Morita and the.
• 1:12:13
  This is embarrassing. I I'm not Genzy, but I what?
• 1:12:15
  Remind me, I, I think I know who it is, but OK, Yes, yes, yes,
• 1:12:19
  yes. OK, you.
• 1:12:20
  Know he's he's a kid. Moves to moves to the West Coast
• 1:12:23
  out of place. Gets beat up by guys from the
• 1:12:26
  Sadistic Karate school and Mr. Miyagi takes him and teaches him
• 1:12:29
  real karate. Teaches some real Miyagi Dokra.
• 1:12:31
  And what's the big thing that he says?
• 1:12:33
  Like the line that he says wax on, wax off?
• 1:12:35
  OK. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:12:36
  So I want and he, he takes him, you know, takes me in and
• 1:12:39
  teaches that. And I want to be able to, you
• 1:12:43
  know, say that I, I want maybe somebody else.
• 1:12:47
  Do you have a protege? Are.
• 1:12:50
  You looking for a protege? There's a few people that I that
• 1:12:53
  I engage with and ioffer advice on people I've I some people.
• 1:12:56
  Are you looking for a protege? I'm open.
• 1:12:59
  I'm open to that. I I think though.
• 1:13:01
  'Cause that's what Mr. Miyagi has.
• 1:13:02
  He has a protege. Kind of more he he took in
• 1:13:07
  Daniel Larusso Danielson more to help him in his in his own life.
• 1:13:12
  But then this now the movie has been continued with the series
• 1:13:15
  on Netflix Cobra Kai, where Larusso opens his own Dojo to
• 1:13:19
  continue on the work of what Mr. Miyagi taught him.
• 1:13:22
  And so Mr. Miyagi is is passed away since then.
• 1:13:26
  I would I don't want to do the fight forever.
• 1:13:30
  You know, I want to be able to spend time with family and I
• 1:13:33
  want to let other voices that are valuable and maybe have a
• 1:13:36
  different perspective than mine for those voices to be heard.
• 1:13:39
  I want to share with them what I've learned, including things
• 1:13:42
  I've learned the hard way so they don't have to learn it the
• 1:13:44
  hard way and just give them those kind of skills.
• 1:13:47
  And then maybe I'll go and see them at the debate.
• 1:13:49
  Just like, you know, Mr. Miyagi watches Danielson fight Johnny
• 1:13:53
  Lawrence and you know, they can do the fight.
• 1:13:55
  I don't have to except at the very end.
• 1:13:57
  Maybe if there's a really bad pro abortion person I I can just
• 1:14:01
  sit, do the Mr. Miyagi grab his nose, look like I'm about to
• 1:14:05
  kill him. I'm not going to, sorry, got too
• 1:14:06
  nerdy there, but I want to fade out and let the others rise up.
• 1:14:10
  Do you feel like there was someone that mentored you in
• 1:14:13
  that way? Absolutely.
• 1:14:14
  Who did that for you? My book Persuasive Pro-life is
• 1:14:17
  dedicated to three people, is dedicated to my former trainer
• 1:14:23
  at Justice for All. One of the other mentors, a
• 1:14:26
  woman who helped mentor me, who worked with her.
• 1:14:28
  It's a right to life. She was one of the she was the
• 1:14:30
  first person she's. Who?
• 1:14:31
  Oh, so the three people dedicated to is Melanie
• 1:14:34
  Pritchard? Yeah, I know, Melanie.
• 1:14:35
  Steve Wagner. Steve's amazing.
• 1:14:37
  And John J Jacobsic, Mr. John Jacobsic.
• 1:14:41
  Of course, Mr. J People. Mr. J.
• 1:14:44
  Is Mr. J is who brought me into the pro-life movement?
• 1:14:47
  Really. Amazing.
• 1:14:48
  Because because his daughter asked me to go to the prom with
• 1:14:52
  her. She went to a very tiny Catholic
• 1:14:53
  school, only like 30 kids. So everybody had to ask somebody
• 1:14:56
  else. And so then she asked me.
• 1:14:59
  And then when and then the next year, I took her to my prom so
• 1:15:02
  she could go to like a real prom with more than like 40 people at
• 1:15:05
  it. And so that's where I got to
• 1:15:07
  know him, you know, sitting in his parlor, every teenage boy's
• 1:15:10
  nightmare, sitting with a dad, like what's going on?
• 1:15:12
  And she's now married and happy and and well off.
• 1:15:15
  But they're very good people. And he showed me the pro-life
• 1:15:18
  literature. He was president fairs and right
• 1:15:19
  to life back then. And I was a convert.
• 1:15:22
  My family is not Catholic. He became for me like he did for
• 1:15:27
  many other men actually, who have gone on to have great
• 1:15:29
  vocations from the Diocese of Phoenix, a surrogate Catholic
• 1:15:31
  father. And he was a surrogate pro-life.
• 1:15:34
  He was a pro-life mentor and he showed me, he introduced me to
• 1:15:37
  Jack Wilkie and these other pro-life works.
• 1:15:40
  Denton, Michael Denton. Mark Denton.
• 1:15:42
  Not Michael Denton, but Mark Crutcher.
• 1:15:44
  Mark Crutcher. He lives in Denton.
• 1:15:46
  Mark Crutcher. You know all these other other
• 1:15:47
  people. Amazing, but I consider Mark an
• 1:15:49
  early mentor. Yes, and Greg Cunningham would
• 1:15:52
  be another person I consider an early mentor.
• 1:15:55
  Beckwith I remember back when I had politically correct death.
• 1:15:59
  That's now out of print, and now it's it's defending life.
• 1:16:02
  Greg Kokal, Scott Kusendorf, and so and so just learning from
• 1:16:08
  them and then and then adding things to it and I would love to
• 1:16:12
  be able to do that. Do you have people who reach out
• 1:16:15
  to you pretty regularly for that?
• 1:16:17
  You feel like there's a there's a dent.
• 1:16:18
  And the reason I asked this is because I think generation
• 1:16:21
  generationally, we were talking this a little earlier.
• 1:16:23
  I think there's something every generation has its own quirks
• 1:16:27
  and its own advantages and everything else.
• 1:16:29
  But I think Gen. Z in particular and we'll see
• 1:16:31
  what how Gen. Alpha evolves, right?
• 1:16:33
  But because they grew up so much in social media where things
• 1:16:37
  were at the tip of the finger for them and then the gig
• 1:16:39
  economy, they can many of them create their own jobs.
• 1:16:42
  There's a different attitude. I would say that Gen.
• 1:16:45
  Z at large, again, these are generalizations have about
• 1:16:48
  mentorship than say millennials or Gen.
• 1:16:50
  X or other generations. And I've just seen this
• 1:16:53
  personally in my work in different spaces where I think
• 1:16:58
  some Gen. Z Ers because the world really
• 1:17:00
  is their oyster. They can upload their own video
• 1:17:02
  to a YouTube channel that they fully control and they don't
• 1:17:05
  need someone to help them or tell them because they can
• 1:17:08
  figure it out on their own. It's completely easy.
• 1:17:09
  Anyone can do it right? And that's what they grew up
• 1:17:11
  with. They're not having to kind of go
• 1:17:13
  through some institution to get permission from the Paris priest
• 1:17:15
  to go give a. Speech at the talks.
• 1:17:17
  I wasn't going to get a talk if I hadn't been vouched for by
• 1:17:19
  other people. Exactly.
• 1:17:20
  So there was a quality control. To there is a quality control to
• 1:17:23
  it and there was a natural system for mentorship that
• 1:17:26
  existed for you that you had and I had to some degree.
• 1:17:31
  But I think now that's the, the special question where I think,
• 1:17:35
  and I've also just noticed like some amazing Gen.
• 1:17:37
  Z influencers, content creators, that it's like they don't
• 1:17:40
  necessarily have that same perspective.
• 1:17:43
  And so they don't value maybe mentorship.
• 1:17:45
  They really don't. There's like, why do I need a
• 1:17:46
  mentor? You don't know what you're doing
• 1:17:48
  because you know, I'm killing it already on my Instagram account.
• 1:17:51
  Like I've got 50,000 followers. I'm I'm doing it, you know why
• 1:17:53
  do I need followers? Does not.
• 1:17:57
  Success make and it's. Very easy, but it success feels
• 1:18:00
  for people, especially if they can monetize it.
• 1:18:04
  And people are retweeting or reposting or, you know,
• 1:18:07
  commenting on the thing that they said or did.
• 1:18:09
  And I think that's a unique moment we're in.
• 1:18:11
  Yeah. So what does that look like to
• 1:18:12
  translate, I think the hardest the Mr. Miyagi vision when The
• 1:18:15
  Karate Kid is like, I learned karate from my YouTube videos
• 1:18:19
  and I'm a karate instructor myself now.
• 1:18:20
  Forget you, Mr. Miyagi. Mr. Miyagi.
• 1:18:24
  Mr. Mi Mr. Miyagi Protege. Protege.
• 1:18:26
  Daniel, Daniel, whatever. Lila Son.
• 1:18:28
  Lila Son is Miyagi Miyagi. Mr. Miyagi.
• 1:18:32
  No, Melanie, often she, she says that she's the, she was the
• 1:18:36
  Miyagi because I was once I was 18 and I was trying to give a
• 1:18:39
  talk and she sat there, she would go give a talk and she'd
• 1:18:41
  let me give like 7 minutes of the talk.
• 1:18:43
  I I would, I would go to a high school and she would give the
• 1:18:46
  talk and I got to go up and give 7 minutes of it for the students
• 1:18:50
  I'm. I'm so happy for you because I
• 1:18:51
  feel like I'm I'm a bit of the lost generation because I had
• 1:18:53
  some really good people that I consider mentors, but I would
• 1:18:56
  have loved to have had someone come alongside me and be like,
• 1:18:59
  this is how you can. I mean, I had Jonathan Keller
• 1:19:02
  when I was 15, like he came in from Visalia.
• 1:19:05
  But then I feel like maybe it was because I was starting live
• 1:19:07
  action. So it felt very much on my own
• 1:19:08
  it. Was amazing.
• 1:19:09
  You could be like this high school student working with this
• 1:19:12
  older person. Be mentored and then we had to
• 1:19:15
  have safe environment rules. No, there was, I mean, this is
• 1:19:19
  before the, the abuse scandal, you know, the people, people
• 1:19:22
  didn't didn't think about this kind of stuff of like.
• 1:19:25
  So you think that's an added layer?
• 1:19:27
  At least we're working with teenagers or high school
• 1:19:29
  students, but overall, that's a good thing.
• 1:19:31
  You need to have those proper boundaries.
• 1:19:33
  But even with college students, you should like I was in college
• 1:19:35
  and Melanie would I give talks or she would send myself and
• 1:19:40
  this young woman broke out and we were like kind of the, the
• 1:19:42
  tag team to, to go and speak of these schools, chastity,
• 1:19:47
  pro-life, whatever it may be. And then she said, OK, and now
• 1:19:50
  you're getting it. But I, I got to get out of you
• 1:19:51
  the bad habit of pacing when you're talking or all these
• 1:19:54
  little quirks and things like that.
• 1:19:56
  And like, for me, if I was a mentor, someone, I say, look,
• 1:19:57
  I'm not perfect. If anything, just learn from my
• 1:19:59
  mistakes. I would just prefer that you not
• 1:20:01
  learn the hard way. And here's what's been helpful
• 1:20:04
  for me. I hope it'd be helpful for you.
• 1:20:06
  I think where I feel torn right now is just my time is just so
• 1:20:09
  limited, especially with young children and especially in
• 1:20:12
  myself. Like I'm not, I'm not an old man
• 1:20:14
  ready to retire. I really want to help people
• 1:20:16
  through Council of Trend. Well, that's why I would if I
• 1:20:18
  could. Just my time is just, it's very
• 1:20:19
  limited to me. Honestly, I love the Mr. Miyagi
• 1:20:23
  vision. I love the Mr. I love the Mr.
• 1:20:26
  Miyagi vision. I would just say keep doing the
• 1:20:30
  keep creating the content you're doing, writing the books you're
• 1:20:32
  doing, giving the speeches you're speaking.
• 1:20:34
  And I'd go hard on that for the next 5 to 10 years.
• 1:20:36
  And then you can kind of like lean back a little bit and be a
• 1:20:39
  little more Miyagi Ish because you're doing something very
• 1:20:42
  unique and very important. And yes, we need to train up the
• 1:20:45
  next generation, but especially if they're not like Trent, train
• 1:20:48
  me please today, right now, like they're busy creating their own
• 1:20:50
  Instagram accounts and YouTube channels.
• 1:20:51
  Let let them do their thing and you do your thing really well
• 1:20:54
  and they will learn from you and.
• 1:20:55
  That's what I when people come and give me advice and say I
• 1:20:58
  want to do what you're doing, most of the advice I give them
• 1:21:01
  is just do, just start and I'll. Well, you probably tell them to
• 1:21:05
  study, right? Like, read the books.
• 1:21:07
  Do the like, actually take the time to.
• 1:21:09
  Yeah. I'll give them a like reading
• 1:21:11
  lists. Here's things that I would
• 1:21:12
  recommend, but also one element to it is you just have to get
• 1:21:17
  out there. You only become a good speaker
• 1:21:19
  by going and giving talks. You only become a good writer by
• 1:21:22
  like I am. It took me like 3 books until I
• 1:21:26
  got a handle on writing. You know my podcast video
• 1:21:29
  elements have grown. What stinks in our line of work
• 1:21:31
  is there's a very public learning curve.
• 1:21:33
  Like me trying to learn how to do.
• 1:21:35
  Both of us know this like trying to learn how to do this.
• 1:21:38
  You go back. Obviously I look up to you
• 1:21:39
  Trent, and I look up to Matt and I look up to a lot of these
• 1:21:42
  other folks. You've been doing this many more
• 1:21:44
  years than I have. And yes, I've been doing
• 1:21:46
  speaking and, you know, pro-life activism for, you know, years
• 1:21:49
  and years. But as far as podcasting, I'm
• 1:21:51
  like 18 months in. And so I feel that I'm a baby.
• 1:21:54
  But you think like you're doing your own advocacy or your public
• 1:21:57
  speaking, Like if you looked back on yourself when you're 16
• 1:21:59
  or 17, you'd think I would have done that differently.
• 1:22:02
  You know, that's, that's all, that's all of us.
• 1:22:04
  But that's why I have a little bit of a not a jealousy, but I
• 1:22:08
  think about some the other apologists I work with from a
• 1:22:11
  generation above me, people like Jimmy Aiken or Tim Staples.
• 1:22:14
  And, and Jimmy has admitted this.
• 1:22:15
  It's like his earlier work that he's not as happy with.
• 1:22:18
  He calls that trunk work, the work you keep in.
• 1:22:20
  Your trunk hidden because it wasn't all over YouTube.
• 1:22:23
  Oh yeah, we have all the stuff Jimmy Aiken doesn't like.
• 1:22:25
  And a bunch of cassette tapes and a vault somewhere next to
• 1:22:28
  the Lost, next to the Arc of the Covenant and an undisclosed
• 1:22:31
  government site. But you know, it's like at least
• 1:22:33
  like the early stuff where they're getting their chops.
• 1:22:35
  It's on cassette tapes in the Catholic Answers warehouse.
• 1:22:38
  Me, it's just on the back end of my YouTube channel.
• 1:22:40
  But once again, it goes back to I said the the beginning of our
• 1:22:43
  discussion. You don't matter.
• 1:22:45
  It doesn't matter. Who cares?
• 1:22:46
  Well, and also keep growing, like try new things.
• 1:22:48
  Like, I mean, I don't know about Jimmy Aiken, but like I, I'm
• 1:22:52
  planning to do some because I spend a lot of time in my
• 1:22:53
  kitchen. I make meals for my family.
• 1:22:55
  I'm like, I'm going to film what I'm doing.
• 1:22:57
  And, and because I love this and it's fun.
• 1:22:59
  And I think it's important to emphasize the important, you
• 1:23:03
  know, what we do in the household for our families more
• 1:23:05
  than like, oh, podcasting or activism or this or that.
• 1:23:07
  But I know my, my cooking videos are going to not be great.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah, they're not going to be good.
• 1:23:12
  Mine would be mine would be awful because I don't think they
• 1:23:14
  make webcams that survive being in microwaves.
• 1:23:16
  Like that's all. That's my entire thing.
• 1:23:18
  Do you cook? Or, let's be real, it's lower
• 1:23:20
  cooking. Laura cooks great stuff and
• 1:23:22
  she's. But my point is that you're
• 1:23:24
  like, it's Laura. Oh, Laura's always like, you
• 1:23:26
  know, so and so's husband cooks for them.
• 1:23:28
  Why don't you cook for me? Like because I.
• 1:23:29
  Love you. Have you seen that Instagram
• 1:23:32
  account POV husband? I don't think so.
• 1:23:35
  I just discovered it the other day and it's a POV point of view
• 1:23:38
  husband. And he cooks for his wife
• 1:23:39
  because he's like started a restaurant, it went under and he
• 1:23:41
  wanted to make some side hustle money.
• 1:23:43
  And the whole Instagram account, which is millions of followers
• 1:23:45
  now, is he's just cooking these elaborate meals for his wife and
• 1:23:47
  then she just eats it at the end.
• 1:23:49
  Like for me, if I wanted to give my like put in work for my wife
• 1:23:52
  to have a nice meal, I would just do an extra talk somewhere
• 1:23:57
  or do, do a little bit extra something to earn a little bit
• 1:24:00
  of extra money to take her out to a nice restaurant.
• 1:24:03
  So there it's like I'm putting in effort to give you nice food.
• 1:24:07
  I'm just not involved in the making of it because then it
• 1:24:09
  wouldn't, it would not be nice anymore if I was involved.
• 1:24:12
  So which which I think should be for husbands abroad, you know,
• 1:24:16
  cook. Can't we just make the
• 1:24:16
  definition of cook really elastic there?
• 1:24:19
  So I'm going to out him, but our our video guy here, Harris, he
• 1:24:22
  recently, well, he made sourdough bread for a date and
• 1:24:25
  he made steaks. I know this because I mean I
• 1:24:28
  keep a check on it. I was like, that's I barely.
• 1:24:30
  Buy it at the store like is this the kind?
• 1:24:31
  Is it honey, oat or all grain? But I think that's because
• 1:24:34
  Harris is a Ohio guy and he just is a country boy.
• 1:24:37
  I don't know that's what you do, Trent.
• 1:24:40
  You're awesome. Keep it up.
• 1:24:42
  You're awesome. Don't spend too much my Mr.
• 1:24:45
  Miagi ING it to not keep doing your two videos a week in your
• 1:24:47
  books. You're Meiagi ING it.
• 1:24:49
  So Daniel had to wax the car like 500 times before it became
• 1:24:54
  just a reflex to him. You just.
• 1:24:57
  You're just the. Same.
• 1:24:58
  You're training people with what you're doing.
• 1:25:00
  Like keep that in mind. Every video you make, every book
• 1:25:02
  you write, and when you join the North Star Fellowship and you
• 1:25:05
  actually help my program train people, you're going to train.
• 1:25:08
  People. And that's what I want.
• 1:25:09
  To do with my. Content my content I would love
• 1:25:10
  for just to create things to help build up the Kingdom,
• 1:25:14
  Christ and his church to say here's something that I find
• 1:25:17
  helpful. Here's a good argument and for
• 1:25:18
  people to use it like people will contact me all the time and
• 1:25:21
  say, Hey, can I borrow Can I use this clip?
• 1:25:23
  Can I use this argument? Can I use this?
• 1:25:24
  Do I can I say this? Do I have your permission And
• 1:25:26
  I'm always like go. Ahead 100%, yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Here, absolutely take it and run with it or I'll say you don't
• 1:25:29
  even you don't have to credit me.
• 1:25:31
  Just do a good talk. Someone will say like I have to
• 1:25:33
  give a pro-life talk. What do I do?
• 1:25:35
  Here's one of my talks. Just steal it and just say it
• 1:25:37
  was yours. You know, don't lie.
• 1:25:38
  But like you don't have to slavishly and Trent Horn and
• 1:25:41
  Trent Horn, like I've seen some things where it's like I'm cited
• 1:25:43
  like every 3rd paragraph. I'm like, just just do the thing
• 1:25:46
  and just get the truth out there.
• 1:25:48
  And you're, and you're right. So I think now I'll be focusing
• 1:25:50
  on just creating that content that people can use to grow and,
• 1:25:53
  and they'll add their tweaks to it and they'll improve.
• 1:25:55
  Maybe there's a deficiency I didn't see and they'll improve
• 1:25:58
  on that. And then maybe there's a point
• 1:26:00
  where I'll shift more from creating content to guiding
• 1:26:03
  those who are in the midst of, of creating.
• 1:26:05
  And I, and I would really, I'd really rejoice in that.
• 1:26:07
  So amazing. Where can people find your work,
• 1:26:09
  Trent? They can find it at YouTube
• 1:26:13
  podcast to search for Council of Trent.
• 1:26:15
  If you'll want to support us, they can go to
• 1:26:16
  trendhornpodcast.com. My work is available at
• 1:26:19
  catholic.com. So just catholic.com where you
• 1:26:22
  know, I'm with staff apologists for Catholic Answers.
• 1:26:24
  A lot of great work and articles can be found there as well.
• 1:26:27
  But yeah, I would definitely recommend.
• 1:26:28
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• 1:26:30
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• 1:26:31
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