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E76: He Witnessed the October 7th Massacre · The Lila Rose Show

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  What did you see first? The lady, she was your size.
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  Whoever shot her made sure that her face will never be shown.
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  When we picked up the stretchers, we were walking in
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  between grenades and and RPG rockets.
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  It's a war zone. It's like, what do you hear and
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  see and smell? It's like all got into a package
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  of weird Mad Max war zone. Now we're sure that we're
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  starting at the end of the world.
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  That's the visual I had. Everything is, it's done.
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  Hello everyone, Welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast.
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  For those of you who follow me on social media, on Twitter or
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  Instagram or Facebook, some of you might have noticed that I
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  have been commenting more in the last several weeks on the Israel
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  Gaza war right now. And there's a lot of varied
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  opinions on the politics of this.
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  There's a lot of varied opinions on what's happening.
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  My guest is Tomer Peretz. He is a artist from Los Angeles,
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  originally born in Israel, a dual citizen.
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  He is a father and husbands. And he happened to be in Israel
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  for personal reasons during the time of October 7th.
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  And Tomar Perez was one of the first responders with ZAKA, a
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  volunteer organization to find the bodies of the dead in the
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  massacre, both the dead Israelis and the terrorists to find them
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  and to give them a proper burial.
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  So you will hear in this his first hand account as well as
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  his view of the events that are unfolding.
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  Tomer is going to be candid about what he saw in the days
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  following October 7th. This is not easy to listen to.
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  If you're listening to this with children, I urge you to wait for
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  a time when you're not with your kids to listen to this.
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  It is mature content. But I think it is something that
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  every single person adult should listen to, should learn, should
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  know, because what is happening in Israel and Gaza has huge
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  implications for us in America too.
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  It is implications for the entire W.
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  It is a question of civilization.
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  It is a question of right and wrong.
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  It is a question of will we allow dehumanization, terrorism
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  Tomer Perez, thank you so much for joining the podcast.
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  Thank you for having me. So I've been I've been following
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  your Instagram account now for several weeks when I first found
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  out about it. So first, for the folks
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  listening, introduce yourself. You're an award-winning artist
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  from Los Angeles and give us some of your background.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm a I'm a husband and a father and I have 3 kids.
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  Awesome. I've been.
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  I grew up in Israel until the age of 22.
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  I was in the military for 4 1/2 years and I moved to Los Angeles
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  to pursue my art career and I've been doing that for the past
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  1819 years alongside raising a family and and yeah, everything
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  was amazing up until October 7th.
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  You know that flipped all of our life over.
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  You. You were in Israel on October
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  7th. Why were you?
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  Why were you in Israel then? So I went to attend a wedding
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  with my cousin and I took my two young boys like for like an
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  extra fun boys trip. My my son Roy, he broke his
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  elbow during the summer and he couldn't get into the ocean or
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  swimming pools. So it was a great opportunity
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  for him to take advantage on this trip and have fun.
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  So I took Zevi is five years old and Roy, he's 9, and we had
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  amazing time up until October 7th.
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  So tell me about the morning of October 7th.
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  When did you first hear or find out something was wrong?
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  I was. And where were you we?
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  Were in my name in Tel Aviv, we had amazing Airbnb apartment by
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  the ocean walk walking distance and on Friday we were on the
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  beach with my friends from the military time.
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  And it's funny. So it was so ironically that we
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  spoke about Gaza on Friday and the time we served together.
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  And then on Saturday morning, I woke up into the sirens.
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  The alarm went off. And right away when I opened my
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  eyes, I'm like, Oh my God, I'm in Tel Aviv and alarm went off.
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  This is on unusual. I pulled up my phone right away
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  through, you know, I I ran to the safe room.
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  Obviously my two young boys, Roy and Z were there with their
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  iPads already and my nephew also was with us that night he slept
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  over. So I'm like, hey, like you you
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  guys here, it's the line went off.
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  So my son that is didn't even both of my kids didn't even look
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  at me. Only my nephew who lives in
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  Jerusalem looking at me was like, yeah, I told her what's
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  what's going on? I'm like, so I guess there was a
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  terrorist attack in South of Israel and some terrorists
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  infiltrated into Israel. Then my middle son raises hat
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  above the eye, but he's like that.
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  What's a terrorist? Wow.
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  And then I just like, I'm like, OK, I forgot.
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  I'm talking to A5 and nine years old who they don't even they
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  never heard those words at home. Never growing up in LA, growing
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  up in LA, they he doesn't even understand what is that mean?
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  So I don't even know how to explain the definition of it.
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  It's like, so I got stuck and I'm like, I could never mind,
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  just go back to your iPad or just enjoy your game.
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  That's the moment when I realized that I as of right now,
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  I'm going to lie about everything until I will know how
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  to explain it and took that away.
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  And like everybody else, we were home that day and I was, you
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  know, I all of my friends from the military, after a few hours
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  already, some of them they drove down N like they so I, I was
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  serving in, in, in, in Golani and, and before I was a special
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  ground forces inside of the Golani.
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  So it's it's a very high ranked unit, but they going to be
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  probably the first people going to get a call if something
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  happened. So everybody went on uniform and
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  I was one of the funny friends that came to visit from other
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  country and watching the news. So that was the moment when I
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  felt that I I needed to do something.
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  So I texted every person I know in Israel.
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  How can I help with the beginning of the war?
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  It was already a few hours and the first people who got back to
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  me were friends from Zaka. What is Zaka?
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  So Zakah is a nonprofit organization that specializing
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  with rescue in the clearing, evacuating dead bodies to bring
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  them to respectful religious Jewish barrier.
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  So I know Zakah from the 90s in Jerusalem.
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  I, I was around the terrorist attacked in a restaurant Sparrow
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  in Jerusalem. It was in the 90s and, and I
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  remember the, the talk about them that they're scratching
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  body parts from explosions in order to bring the body parts
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  into, to bury those, those parts, I guess by the Jewish
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  religion, we need to bury, we, we bury everything.
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  The, the blood stains the body parts, the, the, the ashes, if
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  there is ashes. And so that's their job.
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  This is what they do and they do it the full fully volunteer with
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  no salary, payment or fame. So it's kind of like a work of
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  mercy. It's a it's a special ministry.
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  It's, you know, from some reason I have a hard time and it's kind
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  of said I have a hard time to describe these people because
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  it's the most pure, pure, holy people that I've ever seen in my
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  life that do this thing from the sake of the mitzvah.
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  And they understand that most people cannot do it and they
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  understand how important is it. So they do it with quietly not
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  talking around and in a very quietly, like nobody knew who
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  are them unless you live in Jerusalem or in Israel.
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  And by the way, they don't operate only in Israel.
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  They operate all around the world.
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  They have an international team. That was, by the way, that was
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  the friend who brought me in. He's in the international team.
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  So the guy was saving life in Turkey, saving life in Ukraine.
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  He saved lives in Haiti after the earthquake.
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  After that, they went to the tsunami in Thailand years ago.
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  They, they, they're, they're going to every disaster around
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  the world to save lives, basically, and, and, and take
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  care of dead bodies to get them to bury, even if they're not
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  Jewish. So Zakah doesn't operate only in
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  Israel, so. So you heard back from your
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  friend who was part of Zaka that that day of October 7th.
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  What happened next? He, he called me like as soon as
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  he saw the text, he called me very quick.
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  You're like, hey, I didn't know you're here.
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  Da da da. I want to see you.
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  But see, it's like crazy that I'm like, bro, I want to go
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  like, take me. I, I, I can't sit at home.
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  Like, listen, Tomar, you know, it's, it's, it's not something
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  we can do. I'm like, yes, you can.
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  I know who are you? I know you can't do it.
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  And he just didn't argue with me.
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  And, and they picked me up the day after.
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  And let me tell you something. No one, no one could volunteer
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  to Zaka just like that at the beginning of a war.
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  It doesn't work like that. I don't know.
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  I think they really needed help that moment and it was chaotic.
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  So, so I think they just OK, come, just help us.
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  And they picked me up on Monday morning already.
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  Before getting into the events of what you saw when you started
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  to volunteer with Zaka in the South of Israel, you made this
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  comment earlier about the safe room.
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  And this. Is anyone listening to the
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  reports about Israelis, you know, running from rocket fire
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  from Hamas, they hear about safe rooms.
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  Can you explain what the safe room is?
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  And it sounds like the nephew you had, he's used to going to
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  the safe room. Is this a part of everyday life
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  for Israelis? So it depends what part in
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  Israel you live in. So the people who lives in the
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  South, they're daily basis, it's like they're so used to it, the
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  kids and babies like older people, everybody knows and they
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  jump into the safe room on seriously weekly basis.
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  But not if you live in Jerusalem.
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  Jerusalem don't have those alarms because because the
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  Rockets that basically are firing from Gaza, most of them
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  are reaching the South part of Israel.
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  Most of them depend what rocket is it, depend how aggressive
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  they want to go. The Hamas seiform is a room in
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  every house and building and neighborhoods around the entire
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  country that Israel invested to build for the citizens in order
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  to protect the citizens from bombs, rockets, anything.
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  So a safe room is built from concrete, I guess.
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  Still I'm I don't know, but it built to protect you from from
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  bombing in certain level and that's the room where you run
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  into when you get the call, there is an A that every person
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  is really connected to. So you get the alarm on the
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  phone and you hear it outside, but in probably in some parts
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  you don't hear it outside on the street.
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  So you, you get it on your phone.
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  Everybody in Israel, actually, most of the people I, I, I saw,
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  they get it on their phone and they kind of threw the phone.
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  They, they, they know where to go then and they know where is
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  the actual rockets are going to because the app is telling you S
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  North middle this the DCD or DCD will.
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  So when the alarm goes off, you connect it to the phone and it
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  tells you what part of the the country should go into the safe
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  room. So my my nephew was not used to
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  it. It was very new to him,
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  actually. Because he was in the north or
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  near. He lives in, he, he lives in
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  Jerusalem. That's where my brother lives.
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  So he with his family that live in Jerusalem.
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  I was in Tel Aviv with him, which is 45 minutes away from
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  Jerusalem up north and and and the Rockets were firing also to
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  Jerusalem I think. I think don't quote me on this
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  one first time. And Tel Aviv the like a big part
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  of Israel on October 7th, big part of mid Israel century
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  Israel in the South got attacked by those rockets and up north
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  got attacked by the Hezbollah from Lebanon.
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  Hezbollah took over South of Lebanon years ago and they
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  fired. So I would say maybe the entire
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  is right was in safe rooms that moment, but he was he didn't
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  know what's going on. He knew about that.
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  He understanded, but he never experienced that.
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  So I think he was the only person who was afraid because my
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  my kids had no idea what that what is it?
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  It's like didn't even think about that.
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  So he was on it like he understand everything.
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  So the day that you first volunteer with Saka is that
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  Sunday the 9th, Monday, Monday the Monday the 9th.
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  Monday, so Saturday we were stayed a whole day in Tel Aviv
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  and then Sunday morning we decide to leave the Airbnb
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  apartment and go to my parents and my parents in law who are in
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  Jerusalem. And and that was a time when I
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  was like expecting already to jump on a car to go help some,
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  somewhere. I even checked to go into
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  reserve out on the reserve since the military from PTSD reasons
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  then because I left Israel but I wanted to do anything and they
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  could pick me up only on Monday morning.
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  So what happened on Monday morning?
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  Where did you go first? So Monday morning I was like 78
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  AM and they picked me up from Jerusalem.
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  I got, I jumped into the car, they were on the phones already.
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  They drove fast. They got the first operation for
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  it. It's called Eagle Team, so 7th
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  Nesher, it's that, that's the name of the team that I was
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  belonged to. And the first operation was to
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  go to the Nova site and pick up all the stretchers that was that
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  were left on site from Saturday. And they said we cleared out all
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  the the Jewish dead body from the site area and, and just pick
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  up the stretchers and come back to kibbutzberry because now we
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  are starting to clear out kibbutzberry from the dead from
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  the dead bodies. And that's what we did.
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  And I 15 minutes before we arrived, everybody pulled up
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  their guns and they were ready for attack because rockets were
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  firing on top of us like the whole time, the whole time.
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  And we were like every few minutes we're getting out of
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  car, hiding, went back with the car, keep driving, booming out
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  of rocket, going outside, hiding.
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  So it's like a continuation of the whole week.
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  It was like that for me even up until now.
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  I was there the whole week, so and then we picked up the
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  equipment from the Nova Festival, which that was, that
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  was the moment when I understand that mentally, physically, I'm
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  in war zone. What did you see when you first
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  got there? So we drove on 232, We called
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  that the Death Rd. That's the main road where all
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  the Nova Nova people want wanted to run away from.
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  That was the only Rd. that you can you can drive and that that
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  road was blocked by the Hamas and they firing they fired RPGs
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  on every single car there. So I, the first thing I saw was
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  burned, completely burned cars after explosions, hundreds, 100,
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  not like 4-5, like every car and car were flipped and car were
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  like, like like got into accidents.
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  Both of them burns. It's like a lot of weird, like
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  what happened to those cars? You know, it's the first
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  question that came to my mind. I'm like, you hear about a
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  massacre and when you hear about a massacre, you think about like
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  a mass shooter, right? Mass shooter or AK-40 said
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  whatever, right? I'm just shooting everybody.
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  That was not the case. They were firing grenades, RPG,
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  Lao rockets, which is a shoulder, rockets, Different
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  different, bigger machine guns, bigger things than just a rifle.
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  And there were people in those cars.
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  Yeah, people. No, not soldiers, people like
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  people that went to dense celebrate Peace of Love Nova
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  Festival for over 4000 people, young, 20 years old, 30 years
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  old. And when I got there, you know
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  the tanks because we already were in the world.
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  So the tanks created the dust. And the dust is like covering
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  your, your, your vision. So there is no sky.
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  You don't see the sky. You see only orange, foggy,
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  dusty. Background and you see the birds
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  are looking for like the cross are flying and looking for the
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  dead bodies and they're saying you see where the birds are
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  going probably there is a dead body over here and we got into
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  the festival site and you see Hamas dead bodies like and bunch
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  of places with full uniform. The military didn't even remove
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  the explosive grenades and RPG rockets from them.
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  So you you see the complete package in front of you and they
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  were full weapons on them. It's like they're they're
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  they're about to conquer they're about to fight with the Secret
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  Service or whatever and they were actually fighting fighting.
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  They were actually killed kids who went to dance.
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  So he doesn't match like he doesn't like you know like all
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  vast and and a bunch of grenades and everything they were laying
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  down all over. So when we picked up the
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  stretchers we were walking in between grenades and and RPG
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  rockets super dangerous by the way the military clear it out
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  same day, but it's a war zone. It's it's that's what's up.
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  And the smell was, you know, all of your senses.
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  It's like, what do you hear and see and and smell?
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  It's like all got into a package of the weird Mad Max war zone.
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  And I will assure 100% that we're starting at the end of the
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  world. That moment.
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  I was OK, I get it. It's over.
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  That's that's what was in my mind.
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  What's over? The world, it's over, it's done.
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  That's that's, that's the visual I had.
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  Everything is, it's done. Because if this could happen to
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  these kids. Because, because, because the
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  way it looks like, like if you type and I didn't do it right,
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  if you're going to type the end of the world visual on Google,
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  I'm assuming you're going to see some stuff very similar to the
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  couple apocalyptic visual photo I had in front of my face.
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  And, and alongside with this, you get, you know, you're on
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  your front all the time. So you get a lot of text
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  message, you telegram and this and this and you and you, you
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  know, you realize how crazy it is and you're there.
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  So, so that was very weird, surreal experience.
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  Then we got to Kibbutz Berry and.
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  How many young people died at the Nova festival killed by
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  Hamas terrorists? A few hundreds, I don't know.
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  I, I'll be honest with you, I have a hard time watching the
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  news. I have a hard time reading
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  articles. I have a hard time listening to
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  testimonies. I'm, I'm in my own bubble.
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  And these were, you know, I I'm sure you probably know a lot
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  more than me, but few 103400I again, I might be wrong.
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  Yeah. So after the Nova Festival,
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  you're picking up stretchers. Most of the dead Israelis and
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  the young people have been cleared out.
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  There's still dead terrorists everywhere.
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  Where do you go next? Yeah, we picked up the
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  stretchers that were soaked with blood.
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  Driving to Kibbutz Berry, 5 minutes, right?
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  7 minutes, right. As soon as we got there, it was
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  a lot of ZACA members, like maybe 4050 of them.
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  And we got divided to teams and every team is assigned to
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  different area and now different house.
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  And the military is showing you what house you get and what
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  house you are clearing out dead bodies from.
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  And these are dead bodies of civilians?
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  Yes. What did you see first?
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  A lady, she was your size. She had no face.
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  Maybe she got shot in her face maybe 20 times.
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  It's hard to tell. I just like I'm assuming whoever
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  shot her and made sure that her face will never be shown like no
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  face that was actually a house I was not assigned to but I I went
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  with them. Someone asked help to open some
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  some door that had a hard time to open.
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  But when I got there to help the door was open and they already
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  took out like they they were already clearing it out.
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  So I I got the the chance to see it and then I went to another
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  house that I was actually clearing out the lady.
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  She was over 90 again, I'm assuming over 80 / 90.
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  And she gets stabbed so many times I don't know how many
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  times but so many times. And I thought she got shot and I
• 25:54
  and I said when we did, Oh my God, she got shot.
• 25:57
  And then and then some other guy said, no, I don't think she got
• 26:01
  shot. I think she got stabbed.
• 26:02
  And whoever shot didn't, didn't they didn't they shot.
• 26:07
  But you see the bullets, the bullets on the wall.
• 26:11
  So, so we were like trying to understand what happened, just
• 26:16
  full of blood all over. Her.
• 26:18
  Where was she? She was on bed.
• 26:21
  She was on her bed. Actually it was the only dead
• 26:25
  body that we cleared out from the bed.
• 26:32
  And then so a couple took of took a couple that were in the
• 26:38
  entrance of the house. I don't know how to describe it,
• 26:44
  but the skin was not a skin part of the body.
• 26:49
  Both of them were burnt, lot of cuts.
• 26:56
  The house was a mess like a mess like every.
• 27:03
  Everything in a house was was in a mess, like everything, all the
• 27:08
  kitchen doors, the closets, like someone was looking for
• 27:13
  something like aggressively like like in everything was broken.
• 27:17
  Everything was broken in house. Like they were looking for other
• 27:20
  people. Looking for other people broke
• 27:22
  it, but in purpose, like some like like like there is no
• 27:25
  reason to break ATV. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:28
  Like like like a lamp, you know things that why it's broken.
• 27:38
  So again, I don't know it it it, but most houses were like that.
• 27:45
  The couple you saw at the doorstep, how old were they, do
• 27:47
  you think? Is there any way to tell?
• 27:50
  30. A young couple and did they look
• 27:54
  like when you say their skin wasn't like their skin?
• 27:56
  They were tied together with their backs like both of their
• 28:00
  backs tied together like they tied their hands to together and
• 28:06
  she had bullets on her shoulder back him.
• 28:13
  I didn't I, I couldn't I couldn't understand what's
• 28:15
  what's what's up with him. I didn't really touch him.
• 28:19
  OK, so I was I was always the last one who's getting into the
• 28:27
  house and always looked for the legs parts from I don't know.
• 28:37
  It just worked for me better. I guess I was too coward to go
• 28:41
  straight to the face because you need to roll the body from the
• 28:44
  top and from the bottom into the plastic bag that you put on the
• 28:48
  floor. So you need to roll it a little
• 28:51
  bit because you you kind of lift the the part, the body and, and
• 28:56
  you squeeze the bag underneath and then you kind of you kind of
• 28:59
  all roll it or just squeezing all the bag and then you put the
• 29:02
  bag like around. So I was always picking the the
• 29:10
  bottom part because when you pick the bottom part you you can
• 29:14
  I was with also with these hat by the way looking and and not
• 29:19
  like only on my thing and not to see the the the face.
• 29:25
  What did the other volunteers you were think they've been tied
• 29:28
  together? Was the sense that they had been
• 29:30
  tied together while they were alive and then tortured?
• 29:33
  What was the sense of the other volunteers?
• 29:36
  Always different, different talks.
• 29:38
  They had a lot of experience that people that was with they
• 29:42
  they work very fast they and very gentle.
• 29:49
  They know how to look at things, but it's not their job.
• 29:54
  Like they oh, that's a stab or this is a torture or that's a
• 29:57
  burn. No, this is this.
• 29:59
  So they they talk while we are doing this.
• 30:02
  This is the this is actually the conversation.
• 30:05
  What happened? And yeah, some of them were
• 30:12
  young guys, 30 something, and some of them were older, like
• 30:18
  50-60 something. And they were shocked.
• 30:25
  Even the 60 plus years old that they do that four years, 3040,
• 30:30
  they clear out dead bodies. That's this is their thing.
• 30:34
  You know, every tale always attacked.
• 30:35
  They're showing up to clear out those dead bodies.
• 30:38
  And they say that this is this is out of this world.
• 30:45
  It's not something they've ever seen.
• 30:50
  So this volunteer, some of them had been working 30-40 years and
• 30:53
  they'd never seen anything. Collapse and passing out and
• 30:56
  throwing up and responding to it in a very shocking way.
• 31:03
  They had seen everything, but no, not this.
• 31:05
  Not this, I don't. I don't know if there is a lot
• 31:11
  of people in this glob that have seen stuff like that.
• 31:16
  So was that the sense that like this couple, this 30 year old
• 31:18
  couple at their doorstep tied together with burn Marks and
• 31:23
  bullet Marks and just attacks to their body, was the sense that
• 31:28
  they were alive and tortured? That's how it looked like, you
• 31:40
  know, you trying to attach the story.
• 31:49
  The story is there, by the way, like people know what happened
• 31:52
  to them. I guess I have a hard time to
• 31:56
  match the real stories to the people I I know, to the people I
• 32:00
  recognized because all the faces that I've seen still in my in my
• 32:06
  head. And I don't want to go to the
• 32:08
  list of name and pictures in the story of what happened and where
• 32:12
  it was and who was it. This is my biggest challenge.
• 32:19
  Did you see anyone else that you helped retrieve the bodies of in
• 32:24
  that kibbutz? I've seen a lot more.
• 32:27
  Were there any children? Yeah, yeah, I lifted a burned
• 32:32
  baby that was picked up from one of the houses.
• 32:38
  I remember when he when he gave me the bag because, OK, he, he
• 32:45
  gave me the bag because he was supposed to set like a a little,
• 32:50
  it's like a bassinet on the wheel.
• 32:52
  So the key boots to put the baby.
• 32:55
  I hold it and they brought another baby.
• 32:57
  So both of them and, and, and like a stroller.
• 32:59
  It's like a so when he said that like something was stuck.
• 33:03
  So he was like kind of dealing with that.
• 33:05
  He was like, hold it, please. He didn't want to put it on the
• 33:07
  floor. So hold it and then I hold that
• 33:09
  and then he took care of it and I'm holding and you know, I, OK,
• 33:16
  I got the point. It's a baby.
• 33:19
  But it was so light. It was, it was so light.
• 33:25
  It was like not the weight of a baby.
• 33:27
  It was much lighter than that. And I gave it to him.
• 33:32
  As soon as I give it to him, he's like, and he was like very
• 33:35
  heavily breathing burn baby. He's like he said a few times
• 33:40
  and he put it in the bassinet and then they brought it out a
• 33:43
  baby and it was like, I'm just, I was looking.
• 33:52
  I don't know how I felt, but I remember that I didn't move a
• 33:55
  lot. And yeah, those are the only
• 34:03
  connection. I'm sorry.
• 34:04
  One more I had with with babies in the and the bags and
• 34:10
  everything. And I had one more actually,
• 34:12
  where we were supposed to look for kids.
• 34:16
  We were supposed to look for babies and and any other body
• 34:19
  parts. And we found something and that
• 34:25
  was completely burned completely and you cannot even recognize
• 34:28
  what is it? It's it.
• 34:29
  It looked like like a plus Selena like like a weird figure.
• 34:42
  And I was the fifth one who got into this house and and I
• 34:47
  already heard him. It's a dog.
• 34:50
  No, it's not No, it's a butt. No, it's a leg.
• 34:52
  No, it's a baby. No, it's like they were Hawking
• 34:56
  and I got out of the house. I just at the house and I don't
• 35:05
  know up until now what was it And I, I didn't want to ask and
• 35:10
  I told him maybe not to share it with me.
• 35:14
  So that's the only experiences I had with the babies in Kibbutz
• 35:20
  Berry. But I was with the team who
• 35:22
  cleared out my team more babies the day before, the evening
• 35:29
  before and after me. So.
• 35:36
  Had they all been burned? The two I've seen and I know
• 35:42
  some were not. I know some were not beheaded
• 35:48
  and some were beheaded. I don't know how many were
• 35:52
  beheaded. Some were beheaded.
• 35:53
  Yeah, some were beheaded. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 35:56
  Because we, we were, we were assigned to find not just
• 35:59
  beheaded like other body parts too.
• 36:02
  So we, we were supposed to go and find other body parts and
• 36:06
  certain houses that they found I guess most of the body, but they
• 36:10
  are looking for more body parts. So so we we were trying to find
• 36:16
  and every house that I was supposed to look for something.
• 36:23
  I I always had the hope not to find anything.
• 36:30
  And also with these babies body parts that they wanted to find.
• 36:35
  I didn't find anything. But I know that the teams, other
• 36:40
  teams, they invested a lot more time on the search than me.
• 36:47
  I was and purpose not a good searcher I guess maybe.
• 36:59
  When you saw the bags with the burn babies in them, was there
• 37:04
  any sense of how the burning happened?
• 37:07
  There's I've heard reports that the terrorists lit the homes on
• 37:10
  fire while the families were in their safe rooms in order to
• 37:14
  force them to leave or to kill them and burn them alive.
• 37:18
  I've also heard reports that they torched some intentionally.
• 37:21
  Was there any sense among the volunteers of how the burning
• 37:24
  took place? I don't know.
• 37:28
  There was also a report that was shared, and I don't know if
• 37:32
  you've heard this one, so I want to see if you had any
• 37:34
  information on it about a baby that had been placed in an oven.
• 37:38
  Yeah. And killed by being burned alive
• 37:40
  in an oven. I've I've heard that I didn't
• 37:44
  see it from the reality I was it was very make sense that it will
• 37:52
  do it. I was not surprised.
• 37:56
  I I I was trying the whole time up until now to disconnect to
• 38:04
  the get disconnected from the stories of what really happened.
• 38:13
  I the whole time I I I hear always I heard always a
• 38:19
  different, but stories not about Oh, I've hurt someone put the
• 38:24
  baby. No, no, no, Oh, I just got a
• 38:25
  text from this is the conversation.
• 38:28
  She just got a got a text from Moti.
• 38:30
  Moti said that there is a lady that both of her legs got cut
• 38:34
  out and there is a team on that like like it's a live live
• 38:38
  reporting the reporting. I'm familiar with a reporting of
• 38:42
  the person who found the lady or the baby and tell the other team
• 38:47
  to come to help. That's the type of reporting I'm
• 38:49
  familiar with. Most people feel familiar with
• 38:52
  reporting on TV, on the news channel, social media, Telegram.
• 38:57
  So I'm not there. I am not reading articles, I'm
• 39:02
  not watching a lot of the news, some social media.
• 39:07
  I get all of my information from my friends and only if I ask.
• 39:15
  And when I was there, it just came.
• 39:17
  It just was all around. So I know about some reports.
• 39:25
  I, but I, I, I, I, I don't know what's what's what happened in
• 39:32
  every corner. I can just tell you that what
• 39:37
  was there was not human thing. It was not humans.
• 39:43
  I don't know what was. What do you mean?
• 39:45
  It was not human. It was to to to burn a baby.
• 39:53
  How they burn the babies? I don't know if they burned the,
• 39:56
  the the babies where it wasn't in bedroom or if they if they
• 40:04
  burned the babies in the front of the parents.
• 40:07
  If they I, I, I don't know because, because.
• 40:11
  Some of the kids that were found was burned, but the parents were
• 40:14
  not so. So some of the kids that were
• 40:18
  found were in their homes were burned, but the parents.
• 40:22
  Were not and the opposite too. So, so, so it's very surreal to
• 40:33
  even try to understand what was there and what was the case.
• 40:38
  They had many hours that they were there with them, so they
• 40:43
  were with them inside the houses full of ours.
• 40:45
  The terrorists were. Terrorists.
• 40:47
  The Israeli members of the kibbutz for hours, Families with
• 40:52
  babies, elderlies, young couples.
• 40:55
  Yeah, one house, you see all the food even was still on a table
• 40:59
  like like was a table with bunch of food and kind of kind of not
• 41:03
  on the plate. Like it's like scattered like,
• 41:06
  like like a monster got there and, and was trying to eat and,
• 41:10
  and it looks like the the chairs are away from the table, so it
• 41:14
  looks like people were sitting there.
• 41:18
  So all kinds of weird things. Most maybe every house I got
• 41:28
  into had a bunch of spots of bullets of like bullet shots and
• 41:37
  and a sharpness of of RPG rocket and grenades.
• 41:45
  So you see the sign of of bottle in houses inside the houses in
• 41:51
  the kids bedrooms, you see stain of of marks of of hands and
• 42:01
  blood on the walls. But small hands like like small.
• 42:06
  You saw in kids bedrooms bullets and small bloody hand pressure.
• 42:11
  So kids bedroom soaked with the furniture and mattresses soaked
• 42:15
  with bad one situation when I got into a kids bedroom that a
• 42:18
  the three bed, one bank bed. It's a three beds, one bank bed
• 42:22
  and one just by itself small like a bed of like anywhere two
• 42:29
  to four years old size bed, right and soaked with blood,
• 42:36
  blood all over. And and and one of them I found
• 42:41
  a dog was a black lab. And I remember I it was a kids
• 42:47
  bathroom and all the kids were I guess the babies or the kids
• 42:51
  were, I guess be picked up and we were, we were looking for,
• 42:56
  that's where we're looking for other body parts that I found
• 43:01
  saw a dog like a black lab sitting on laying on, on a bed.
• 43:05
  And it was kind of shaking the dog alive, alive.
• 43:09
  Yeah, it was alive. It was shaking and breathing.
• 43:13
  And I, and I was, I was kind of getting closer and, and it was a
• 43:20
  moment when I am, I am like he probably saw what happened and
• 43:26
  he was hiding somewhere and saw what happened.
• 43:29
  And I tear down when I when I when I saw it, it was.
• 43:38
  It was the only live thing we found, basically.
• 43:45
  A dog. A dog and.
• 43:48
  In a village of hundreds of people.
• 43:51
  Yeah, a lot of them being evacuated.
• 43:54
  We just got there. We knew we're not going to find
• 43:59
  anything and everybody like we, we knew it's about dead people,
• 44:04
  not about live people and saving live people.
• 44:06
  But but it's like you, it's the it's it's the only thing that
• 44:11
  was alive during the massacre. Probably saw everything and
• 44:15
  stayed alive at the we saw, you know what I'm saying?
• 44:19
  And I was afraid to get too close to him.
• 44:23
  And though I'm, I'm, I'm a dog person, have a big dog and I'm
• 44:26
  very cool with dogs. I, I kind of got closer to him,
• 44:30
  but very, very slowly. And then and others like a guy
• 44:33
  was like easily getting close to the door.
• 44:36
  Boom, hold the dog, hold him, lift him, kissed him and the dog
• 44:41
  licked him in his face and he took him out.
• 44:44
  And then the guys from Okus, which is a special unit that
• 44:54
  using dogs to help to find explosive and stuff like that,
• 44:57
  amazing unit by the way. And they know how to deal with a
• 45:00
  dog and they're amazing. And they brought him food and he
• 45:03
  was eating. And so that was pretty much the
• 45:11
  only live thing we found. Tomer, what else did you see in
• 45:16
  the kibbutz? And we had a moment where a lot
• 45:23
  of another another dude with no fingers and the safe room was
• 45:30
  5050 years old. So his body was intact, except
• 45:34
  he had no fingers. He died from they knew by the
• 45:41
  way, about his situation from somewhere.
• 45:45
  I don't know how the entire safe room was black from smoke and
• 45:53
  blood that blood all over blood all over.
• 45:58
  And they say that they cut his fingers, but he could manage to
• 46:03
  run away and locked himself inside the safe room and, and,
• 46:14
  and he died from smoke. So what they do, they all the
• 46:18
  safe rooms they couldn't get into, they burned the whole
• 46:22
  house around and they put tires, they burned tires from around
• 46:27
  the Kibbuzz. They got tires and they burned
• 46:29
  for the smoke to go inside the safe room.
• 46:32
  So a lot of people died inside the safe room from breathing
• 46:37
  smoke. A lot.
• 46:38
  Some that we cleared out. So this man, I know these things
• 46:44
  are so hard to even wrap one's mind around, but this man was a
• 46:48
  middle-aged man. He was found without any
• 46:51
  fingers. I think was maybe 2 left over
• 46:55
  there I was. I was not really seeing the
• 46:58
  whole arms. And he was found dead in the
• 47:01
  safe room from smoke inhalation. But it was after his fingers had
• 47:05
  been chopped off. And so the theory is they must
• 47:09
  have chopped his fingers, he escaped them and then they.
• 47:12
  That was the story. Asphyxiated.
• 47:14
  Him and they so so here is here's the thing.
• 47:18
  They looked for him. They they looked for him, the
• 47:23
  Zakah guys, they got information about a person that in the safe
• 47:28
  room and the information and that he died in the safe room.
• 47:31
  So we need to find a safe room. It took us over maybe an hour to
• 47:36
  find a safe room because the whole house was kind of a mess
• 47:39
  and collapse, like the ceiling was collapsing and the collapse
• 47:42
  and and it was very hard to find a door.
• 47:45
  So from my understanding, and that's what they're saying that
• 47:50
  this guy, he knows a lot about safe rooms and stuff that he
• 47:55
  knows how to fight. Also, it was very they called
• 47:59
  him a hero and that he built his own safe room.
• 48:03
  And I, I guess the family that was with him, I guess on the
• 48:08
  phone or something from the safe room that they say that I guess
• 48:16
  they gave the information somehow to the military, the
• 48:19
  military to Zaca and the safe room was hidden.
• 48:22
  And then that's why it took a while to find a safe room.
• 48:26
  I got to the part where everything was done and just to
• 48:30
  put the body, that bag on the actual stretcher, but his face
• 48:35
  was exposed. I remember his face and yeah, I
• 48:43
  had AI had a moment when the cooling truck was a chocolate
• 48:53
  cooling truck that we used to carry all the dead bodies.
• 49:00
  We drove all the dead bodies from Kibbutz Berry to the
• 49:06
  pathological institute basically.
• 49:08
  So we filled up the truck and I remember we I was with few
• 49:13
  friends over there. We smoke a cigarette and then
• 49:15
  some of the guys said, OK, so we need to take pictures of all the
• 49:20
  Zakah is asking pictures of all the dead bodies and I'm I'm, I'm
• 49:25
  we don't have all the pictures and I OK, so what's the call to
• 49:32
  action? Like I was kind of waiting like,
• 49:34
  OK, we need to take photos of all the buddies.
• 49:36
  So, so I was talking to my friends, the guys like, so
• 49:42
  what's, what are we doing? Oh, we just need to go open all
• 49:44
  the bags and take photos of all the dead bodies.
• 49:47
  So we just went there, open all the bags.
• 49:51
  How many bags? 60 maybe, maybe 60.
• 49:55
  And women and children. Everything.
• 49:58
  Everything mostly. Mostly maybe 3 bags of Childs
• 50:05
  but but it was a lot of bags with parts.
• 50:13
  Now it's not a conversation I got into, but how do they know
• 50:21
  what part belong to what when it's completely burnt?
• 50:25
  And the bags of parts that all these parts, are these blown up
• 50:31
  from a grenade? Are these Hacked Off
• 50:35
  intentionally? I mean, again, what was the
• 50:36
  conversation on the ground like? Torture burned them alive.
• 50:45
  Some of them Different, different every every dead body
• 50:56
  had looked like it. It had a whole full story.
• 51:04
  Had one lady that I pulled out of from a Bush, like a Bush like
• 51:09
  it the size of the stable and she was maybe 40 maybe.
• 51:18
  I don't know a whole like here a hole like in the eye just like
• 51:28
  just a hole. Super weird.
• 51:33
  Like from a gun. From, from, from a gun, but it
• 51:36
  was a big hole. It was a big hole.
• 51:38
  So I don't know what makes that kind of a hole.
• 51:43
  I, I, I hard to tell. Very hard to tell.
• 51:52
  She was inside the Bush, like she was hiding there.
• 51:55
  And I pulled her out, put her in a bag.
• 52:12
  Yeah, yeah, One of the burn people in to pick up their ashes
• 52:18
  too. So when you put them in a bag,
• 52:19
  you need to clean the ashes from the floor.
• 52:23
  And super weird. Somewhere.
• 52:27
  Did you or any other Zaka volunteers you were with at the
• 52:30
  kibbutz that day see any evidence of rape?
• 52:33
  Or did you hear about any evidence of rape?
• 52:36
  So the couple that we we picked up.
• 52:46
  The one tied together. I've heard that they wrecked
• 52:48
  raped the lady before in front of her husband before they
• 52:52
  killed her. I'm not.
• 52:58
  I was not very touchy with the dead bodies, but my nachman was
• 53:06
  very and shame on they were very touchy.
• 53:12
  You meaning examining the bodies.
• 53:14
  Touchy like they, they, they touch, they, they, they, you
• 53:17
  know, they, they, they did the job, right.
• 53:21
  You know, they figured out a lot of things and they got a lot of
• 53:27
  information from the military about certain things that
• 53:31
  happened, about things that they know that happened, like footage
• 53:35
  from, from cameras and stuff like that.
• 53:37
  And they got the information. And I didn't get this
• 53:40
  information. So I was very, I was the rookie
• 53:42
  who is not connected to their, their communication.
• 53:47
  And so I was always hearing the stories and always filtering
• 53:53
  where I want to be closer to what than what I want to listen
• 53:56
  to and what I don't want to listen to.
• 53:57
  It was very difficult to, I think, I think that the idea of
• 54:08
  not knowing helped me a lot. So it because it was very
• 54:13
  difficult to when, when you, when you know the story about
• 54:18
  the person, it's much harder. So I, I don't know all the
• 54:29
  stories about what happened to them.
• 54:31
  I was very, you know, holding the leg, putting the bag.
• 54:38
  Very, I took it in very technical way.
• 54:42
  I didn't want to leave and say I cannot do it, want to go, you
• 54:50
  know, I wanted to show off and, and, and make sure that they're
• 54:54
  trusting me and they are helping in a way, you know, like they
• 54:59
  didn't want to be a coward even though I was felt like a coward,
• 55:02
  but I didn't want to be a coward when I was working with them,
• 55:04
  so. So to handle all that, that
• 55:07
  chaos and death that you walked into, in a way you had to
• 55:10
  compartmentalize. I was closing a lot of my eyes
• 55:14
  and I, I was hiding, but I did this because I wanted to work
• 55:18
  with them. I really wanted to help and I
• 55:22
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  pictures and they shared a lot on my social media and that's
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  checkout for 10% off your order. There are there is a war right
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  now in media, in public opinion about what happened on October
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  7th among some people. There are some people who are
• 56:44
  insisting and they're usually, you know, pro Hamas or they say
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  they're pro Palestine. And they insist that many of
• 56:51
  these acts are propaganda, that this didn't happen.
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  Even the United Nations Women's Organization has yet to decry to
• 57:00
  condemn the rapes that Hamas committed on many Israeli women
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  and girls and children. And you know what?
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  What's your response to that when you hear that?
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  And you've probably heard that already.
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  I feel, I feel like we live in two different dimensions.
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  I think, I don't think, I'm sure the denying is not a denied as
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  oh, we don't believe because we didn't see enough proof.
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  We don't believe because we don't want to believe and we
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  just hate you. That's what it is and I don't
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  want to hear anything else. This is what it is and that's
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  it. I shared a photo and a video of
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  a dude that was tortured and burned.
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  Completely burned bunch of them by the way.
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  I so I I maybe over 7 burned completely black.
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  From the from the fire in the home.
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  Fire in a home. Fire in a home that would do
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  that. The home, by the way, was not
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  completely burned. A partial of the home was
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  burned, not the whole home. Like the?
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  Kitchen, the common area, yeah, they put them on fire.
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  You can tell they put them on fire.
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  So. So.
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  Where were they found? Inside some of them inside the
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  house, some of them outside the house, like in by the entrance,
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  there's like a little patios or stuff like that.
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  Were they tied up? Inside, some of them were tied
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  up, some of them were not. One of them was with something
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  on his mouth, like like very thick weird thing in his mouth
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  and it was completely burnt with this thing still in his Thai
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  tube, like blocking his mouth, super weird look like I don't
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  know what it look like. And I share those things, those
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  things on my Instagram. Like you go to my highlights,
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  you're going to see a lot of bad stuff that you probably didn't
• 59:15
  see anywhere else. And you know, they heard a lot
• 59:23
  in the media that were fake Borganda or whatever, right?
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  If Israel, if Israel, the country of Israel, the IDF made
• 59:34
  a whole thing as a propaganda. It's such a short time learning
• 59:40
  all of this, right? It's so many dead bodies too.
• 59:45
  Israel probably is the smallest country in the world, but as of
• 59:50
  right now, on October seven, on October seven, he thought it was
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  the stupidest country in the world.
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  On October seven, why not right now?
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  Why? You know, we are asking
• 1:00:05
  ourselves how it happened. I don't believe in jobs, inside
• 1:00:13
  jobs and all these crap. I know how it happened.
• 1:00:17
  I now I, I, I, I get it. I, I know how it happened.
• 1:00:21
  I mean, it's very hard to explain by the way, if you don't
• 1:00:23
  know he's running, you don't know the border, you don't know
• 1:00:24
  how, what's the mater it made from?
• 1:00:25
  You don't know. I, I was in the military for 4
• 1:00:28
  1/2 years. I was serving in Gaza.
• 1:00:30
  I know Gaza. So for me, you know it.
• 1:00:36
  So it, it just, it just, it's just very surprising.
• 1:00:38
  We did not expect that, obviously, and that's why.
• 1:00:42
  Did the IDF underestimate Hamas? Yeah, but I, I don't think it's
• 1:00:49
  all of it. I think it's just part of it.
• 1:00:51
  I think there is, there is many factors to it.
• 1:00:54
  Again, look, I'm, I'm not, I, I get my most of my information
• 1:01:02
  from friends who are on the field.
• 1:01:05
  So I don't see, I don't know how to look at the whole picture.
• 1:01:09
  I see in, in segments, you know, and every little part of the
• 1:01:14
  whole thing. I, I know some segments because
• 1:01:18
  I don't read about how like journalists and how they look at
• 1:01:24
  things, you know, I, I'm not there so.
• 1:01:28
  You're closer to reality in many ways than most journalists.
• 1:01:31
  Because I was hearing direct. I was never I, I, I don't have a
• 1:01:34
  linear TVI, you know, since I since I'm 22, I was 22.
• 1:01:39
  I don't. I don't watch the news.
• 1:01:43
  It's not really part of my life. What are your friends on the
• 1:01:46
  ground saying about why they think the attacks happened?
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  So why it happened or? How it was able to happen?
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  It happened because of an ideology why and and money and
• 1:01:58
  control and how it happened. Look, we never trained on how to
• 1:02:08
  block 4 to 5000 Palestinian breaking defendant go in.
• 1:02:15
  We were trained to block 2 terrorists, 3 terrorists based
• 1:02:19
  on a history of what what happened.
• 1:02:22
  But you have when you have 1500 Hamas fighters, terrorists with
• 1:02:33
  over 3000. An involved civilians that are
• 1:02:45
  infiltrating into Israel and stealing and breaking all those
• 1:02:49
  houses, by the way, in Kibbutz Berry and everything so so so.
• 1:02:52
  There's 1500 terrorists. Terrorists.
• 1:02:55
  And there's over 3000. Civilians also who got into
• 1:03:01
  Israel on bikes on bikes. Were some of these Palestinian?
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  Kids, older people, they got into kibbutzberi and and that's,
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  that's where I was kibbutz. That's why I'm saying
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  kibbutzberi. And it's 5 minutes from the
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  border. It's it's it's on the border.
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  It's on the border, so there are thousands of Palestinian
• 1:03:22
  civilians, including teens and elders.
• 1:03:25
  Kids there's there's footage of kids with a bicycles are are
• 1:03:30
  going into kibbutzberly. Who are coming to pillage?
• 1:03:33
  They're coming steal pillage and they stole.
• 1:03:36
  They stole a lot of bicycles. They stole a lot of stuff.
• 1:03:39
  Do you think some of them were committing these acts of torture
• 1:03:42
  against Israelis? I don't know.
• 1:03:46
  It's the same. It's the same Hamas terrorist or
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  this person who just got into kibbutzberry to steal a little
• 1:03:55
  bicycle. It's the same.
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  What's the different? And when you say you're hearing
• 1:04:05
  reports from friends on the ground, one of them is they
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  weren't expecting thousands to come over.
• 1:04:10
  What are some of the other factors you think for why the
• 1:04:12
  attack happened? The attack happened because they
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  planned it for a long time. They've been planning this
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  thing. I I think someone say two years,
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  that's what their that's was their dream.
• 1:04:30
  They've been raised on Jewish hate and that's why they did it
• 1:04:37
  and they got paid for it. Someone financed that and it's
• 1:04:44
  got nothing to do with the land or not land because Israel is
• 1:04:47
  out of Gaza since 2005. He's a doesn't need to control
• 1:04:50
  Gaza. You can do whatever you want in
• 1:04:51
  Gaza. You can go in and out and and
• 1:04:54
  Gaza could go in and out, but that was their dream.
• 1:05:04
  You know, that's, that's their thing.
• 1:05:06
  That's that this is what they do.
• 1:05:07
  You know, that's, it's not the first time they slaughter
• 1:05:10
  people. They used to slaughter people
• 1:05:12
  before like that but on the smaller sizes.
• 1:05:16
  Meaning. Just one family got slaughtered.
• 1:05:20
  But if one family gets slaughtered, you probably just
• 1:05:22
  probably don't. I'm not going to hear about it.
• 1:05:23
  We know about that. Meaning Hamas terrorists have
• 1:05:26
  slaughtered individual families before.
• 1:05:28
  Yes. And coming in.
• 1:05:30
  Kids and babies before. Yes.
• 1:05:32
  Kids and babies before it. It happened before.
• 1:05:35
  See I. Think it's a Fogle Fogle family.
• 1:05:38
  It's a very famous. What happened with the Fogle?
• 1:05:39
  Family, this slaughtered entire family, slaughtered entire
• 1:05:43
  family. I think it was a morning act
• 1:05:45
  and. What year was that or what?
• 1:05:48
  How long ago caught? Me on this one few years ago.
• 1:05:50
  A few years and and it was Hamas terrorists coming into a
• 1:05:53
  kibbutz. Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Infiltrating into the kibbutz was few guys and they
• 1:05:59
  slaughtered entire family. So they shot them, they cut
• 1:06:06
  them. They again, I am, I'm not
• 1:06:08
  familiar with the exact details of which arm they took off of
• 1:06:12
  who, but there's footage of that.
• 1:06:17
  And, and I remember even the, the family around approved and
• 1:06:24
  pushed the government to release the footage to the media.
• 1:06:27
  And I remember we all were seeing the real footage in the
• 1:06:29
  media. Everybody saw it in Israel.
• 1:06:31
  The footage that Hamas took of their.
• 1:06:33
  House not Hamas, the the. Security.
• 1:06:38
  Israelis or military that got there and took photos of what
• 1:06:43
  happened and what what I've seen, yeah.
• 1:06:45
  So you're from Israel. You were in the army for years.
• 1:06:50
  Your friends, your family, you have them, many of them still in
• 1:06:53
  Israel. You're a dual citizen.
• 1:06:55
  What do you think Americans don't understand about the
• 1:07:00
  existential threat that Hamas is to Israel?
• 1:07:04
  So it's very simple. It's very, it's not, it's not
• 1:07:10
  complicated as everybody think. Hamas control Gaza.
• 1:07:17
  Hamas has 65 or I'm sorry, 75% that's supporting Hamas.
• 1:07:26
  Of Palestinians and Hamas, 75%. Five, 5%.
• 1:07:30
  Now if I'm wrong about the number, please 737271 whatever
• 1:07:35
  75%. That's what from what I've heard
• 1:07:38
  right now Hamas is, is Hamas, Iran, Qatar, all those countries
• 1:07:47
  that financing Hamas, they're feeding the the the ideology to
• 1:07:53
  hate Jews and learn about Hitler and why the Jews need to be died
• 1:07:57
  since the first day they go into school, those kids and not just
• 1:08:01
  that since the first day they are born, they know what Jew is
• 1:08:04
  and why the Jew need to die. So this is this is the first
• 1:08:07
  thing this is an ideology some so, so these people are growing
• 1:08:11
  on these hate and when they reach the age of 1515, they
• 1:08:15
  become terrorists already 15, not 2324 to 30/15/14.
• 1:08:20
  They're holding guns already right.
• 1:08:23
  So when you hear sometimes about Israel killed a kid, I'm just
• 1:08:26
  saying it might be a 50 years old who was would, would AK47,
• 1:08:33
  right. So this is one thing.
• 1:08:37
  Second thing, there's a lot of there's people who makes a lot
• 1:08:41
  of money out of this war, right? And that's my beliefs.
• 1:08:46
  There's another thing. Israel is made to protect
• 1:08:52
  Israel. It's the only Jewish state.
• 1:08:54
  There's 33 Muslims countries around the world.
• 1:08:58
  No one wants the Palestinians from some reason now want to get
• 1:09:02
  them as a refugees. Now one, now one really helps
• 1:09:06
  out right now. You see what you see in the
• 1:09:07
  media, but no one helps them because no one wants to help
• 1:09:10
  them, because everybody knows that it's a WASP of terror.
• 1:09:17
  Gaza is full of terror, all right, full of terrorist.
• 1:09:21
  Gaza has two cities. They went above ground and the
• 1:09:25
  one underground. They invested their billions of
• 1:09:30
  dollars to build those tunnels underneath.
• 1:09:35
  Everybody's asking everybody. See.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah, but the Gazan civilians doesn't have a safe room to run
• 1:09:41
  into. Yeah, because, yo, Hamas didn't
• 1:09:43
  build for them. They built tunnels for the Hamas
• 1:09:47
  fighters to fight from. The civilians doesn't hide in
• 1:09:50
  the tunnels that they built. The civilians don't have
• 1:09:53
  anywhere to hide. So this is what's going on then.
• 1:09:57
  And it's very simple. There is no, there is no there
• 1:10:00
  there, there, there's no other way to to you know, you can look
• 1:10:03
  at it in many other ways, but that's what's up.
• 1:10:06
  And those are facts. Everything I say right now is is
• 1:10:09
  facts. Now from experience, that was in
• 1:10:12
  Gaza. They shoot the Rockets, they
• 1:10:15
  attack from a civilian places. Now, I'm not telling you what
• 1:10:19
  I've heard in the news, not telling what I've heard on a
• 1:10:22
  social media. I was there.
• 1:10:24
  You were there. I see it in my eyes.
• 1:10:26
  Rockets are firing from schools. That was this is 20 years ago.
• 1:10:31
  Rockets were you saw with your eyes were firing from school.
• 1:10:34
  I was ambushing, I was ambushing on a split waiting me, myself
• 1:10:39
  and I'm talking to you about 19 years ago, 19 years ago.
• 1:10:43
  So this has been going on for. Years he hears it.
• 1:10:46
  It's a technique. This is their this is the this
• 1:10:48
  is the way they fight. They fight from a civilians
• 1:10:52
  sites. Now again, I'm sitting here and
• 1:10:58
  I'm telling you things that I was experienced.
• 1:11:02
  I was, I was, I was a soldier that was sitting and didn't get
• 1:11:07
  an approval to shoot the people, the Hamas guy that's firing the
• 1:11:12
  Rockets because there is kids in the school and they're shooting
• 1:11:15
  from the schools. This is this is this is for us.
• 1:11:20
  It's we, we we the the this is what we are fighting with.
• 1:11:23
  Like we, we know the fully years it's happening.
• 1:11:26
  This is not new. So your commanders told you you
• 1:11:29
  were not allowed to take out the terrorist shooting missiles at
• 1:11:34
  you from Gaza because they were on a school property with kids
• 1:11:39
  there? Of course.
• 1:11:41
  And the kids are playing soccer like maybe 50m from from from
• 1:11:47
  the the Rockets that that's 19 years ago.
• 1:11:51
  And the terrorists choose the school.
• 1:11:54
  They choose the hospital. Come on, didn't they know we're
• 1:11:57
  not going to shoot? Look, they're not stupid.
• 1:12:02
  And why they know Why doesn't Israel shoot?
• 1:12:04
  Why won't Israel? Because because we we don't take
• 1:12:13
  life of civilians. I've been trained to protect
• 1:12:19
  Israel. I've been trained to not to take
• 1:12:23
  life of civilians. OK, I am.
• 1:12:27
  I'm I'm as a soldier, as an officer in ground forces, that
• 1:12:33
  my job was to capture terrorist without killing them.
• 1:12:39
  Capture terrorists without. Killing them.
• 1:12:41
  Why? That was the operation.
• 1:12:44
  You don't ask why. Does Israel?
• 1:12:46
  Does Israel execute terrorists once they're?
• 1:12:48
  Ruptured. No, Only the terrorists trying
• 1:12:50
  to attack you? Of course not.
• 1:12:52
  So Israel allows the terrorists to live, and they're not
• 1:12:56
  there's. No, they, they get information
• 1:12:58
  from them how to get more terrorists.
• 1:13:00
  Why? To kill them, right?
• 1:13:01
  It's smarter not to kill them, I think.
• 1:13:03
  But again, I'm not a decision maker, you know?
• 1:13:07
  I'm just telling. That is surprising, though,
• 1:13:08
  because my understanding is Israel hasn't practiced the
• 1:13:11
  death penalty in decades. That even the worst terrorists
• 1:13:15
  committing the worst crimes, most heinous crimes, when they
• 1:13:18
  serve jail sentences, they're not.
• 1:13:19
  There's no execution. They won't even execute their
• 1:13:21
  words. Let's let's talk about the Hamas
• 1:13:23
  leader. If he's in law, he was.
• 1:13:26
  He was saved. He had a cancer in his head.
• 1:13:29
  So this is the Hamas terrorists who planned the October 7th
• 1:13:31
  attacks? Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  And tell us the history briefly, because my understanding is he
• 1:13:35
  had been released by Israel even though he had committed horrible
• 1:13:40
  attacks and planned horrible attacks against innocent
• 1:13:42
  civilians. He was released back to Gaza.
• 1:13:45
  Why? We had a hostage for six years
• 1:13:51
  from the second Gila Chalit and now we had a deal to release
• 1:13:55
  1027, don't quote that number again in order to take in order
• 1:14:02
  to exchange 1027 terrorists exchange with 1 soldier that was
• 1:14:11
  Gilad Shalit and one of the terrorists was Efisenwald and in
• 1:14:16
  jail which is it was obviously getting his degrees and
• 1:14:20
  everything in jail. Forget about that.
• 1:14:21
  He had a cancer in his head and he was taking care of in
• 1:14:24
  Hadassah Hospital on the expenses of the Israelis
• 1:14:29
  taxpayers. OK, hold on.
• 1:14:31
  So this is a terrorist, a Gaza Hamas terrorist, Sinwar, who was
• 1:14:36
  in prison in Israel. He was permitted to get his
• 1:14:38
  degree while in prison. He was getting education in
• 1:14:42
  prison from Israel. And then he was permitted to
• 1:14:45
  have his cancer treatment at expense of Israel, Israel in
• 1:14:48
  their one of their hospitals. And then Israel released over
• 1:14:52
  1000 of terrorists, convicted terrorists including Sinwar,
• 1:14:57
  back to Gaza in exchange for one Israeli soldier.
• 1:15:01
  And those are not stories from the newspaper.
• 1:15:04
  Those are facts, these things happening.
• 1:15:07
  And then what did Sinwa do? What sinwa?
• 1:15:10
  What did he do when he was released?
• 1:15:12
  He managed, I guess the whole operation of Hamas.
• 1:15:20
  Not familiar with the exact title, but is is the Hamas
• 1:15:24
  leader, main Hamas leader. He's the decision maker right
• 1:15:27
  now who's releasing what to do. He's he's that's the guy who
• 1:15:32
  pretty much does it all. What is amazing team look, let's
• 1:15:44
  put my opinions on the side. I'm, I'll give you facts, all
• 1:15:48
  right, As a soldier and as a person who was there as a
• 1:15:51
  soldier, as an ID of soldier, we've been trained know how to
• 1:16:00
  kill like we know how to kill. But most, I'm sorry, 100%, not
• 1:16:06
  most, 100% of any operation I had is to capture only if you
• 1:16:14
  get shot by someone or someone is risking only then you're
• 1:16:18
  allowed to shoot back. You cannot shoot even if you
• 1:16:23
  recognize something unless you get approval.
• 1:16:30
  Even if they're shooting at you. No, they're shooting at you,
• 1:16:33
  shooting right away. But if you recognize something
• 1:16:36
  that was suspicious, you don't shoot right away.
• 1:16:40
  You hey, let's say like I recognize something, then
• 1:16:45
  somebody else need to approve. It is like it's a discussion.
• 1:16:47
  It's it's not it's not They don't you don't go into Gaza and
• 1:16:50
  just shoot everything you see. Doesn't work like that.
• 1:16:54
  It doesn't work like that. Why do you think so many
• 1:16:58
  Americans and Westerners are, I consider it blinded by
• 1:17:03
  propaganda that says that the IDF is leveling Gaza.
• 1:17:08
  You know, this is apartheid. This is it's also genocide.
• 1:17:11
  It's also very simple to explain.
• 1:17:15
  There is only 14 to 16,000,000 Jews around the world.
• 1:17:21
  There is 2 billions Muslims around the world.
• 1:17:24
  Let's start with this. It's a number game.
• 1:17:27
  Now they understand that the Hamas cannot fight the IDF.
• 1:17:36
  They can't come on. IDF is much stronger, much
• 1:17:39
  smarter, much stronger than Hamas, no doubt.
• 1:17:45
  So they fight around the world to put a pressure on Israel
• 1:17:49
  because Israel is a is a country, it's a Western country,
• 1:17:55
  it's a democratic country that listen, that doesn't do what it
• 1:17:59
  wants. And they know that.
• 1:18:01
  They know that the good heart of the Jews, they know that the
• 1:18:06
  Jews have good heart. They know the Jews celebrate
• 1:18:10
  life. You cannot fight with someone
• 1:18:16
  that celebrate death. When you celebrate life, when
• 1:18:19
  you celebrate life that there there is no, there is no.
• 1:18:26
  First of all, there is no even way to do peace with to create
• 1:18:28
  peace with us. There's no way to fight with
• 1:18:33
  someone that he's OK and I'm sorry, not OK.
• 1:18:37
  He was raised to blow himself and kill as many Jews as
• 1:18:42
  possible. It's not a regular war.
• 1:18:46
  So so why a lot of people around the world don't?
• 1:18:54
  Because because most it's a it's a number Game 2 billions.
• 1:18:58
  They have the the the bunch of teams in Iran and Russia and
• 1:19:04
  whatever that hundreds and thousands at their job.
• 1:19:10
  Their job is how to make Israel to be the most hated country in
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  the world, how to make it on on the media and.
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  So you're saying there are thousands, potentially more of
• 1:19:25
  people connected with the Palestinian effort, let's call
• 1:19:30
  it terrorists included, who are their focus is a propaganda war
• 1:19:37
  against Israel on social media, in media.
• 1:19:41
  Look, the extremist Muslim world.
• 1:19:46
  Extremist Muslim world. Hamas.
• 1:19:49
  Jihad, their ideology and belief, is to eliminate the
• 1:19:56
  Jewish state from the map. That's her job.
• 1:20:02
  By any means necessary. And that's their belief.
• 1:20:06
  Now, I repeat, not all jobs. I have a lot of Muslims, right,
• 1:20:11
  by the way, really good friends. They don't believe that, that,
• 1:20:15
  that I'm, I'm talking about a group.
• 1:20:18
  Unfortunately, it's a very large group.
• 1:20:20
  It's not, they're not minority, right?
• 1:20:22
  It's not like a 1%. No, they're the majority and and
• 1:20:28
  they based their entire life careers in order to do that.
• 1:20:34
  And they call that anti Zionism. They call.
• 1:20:37
  It. Any weird they call themselves
• 1:20:42
  freedom fighters, they call themselves anti Zionists
• 1:20:45
  whatever and they they paint themselves and different colors
• 1:20:51
  to look better in front of the world and it's work for them
• 1:20:53
  working for them as it's. Why do you think it's working
• 1:20:56
  for them? Because humans are like herd of
• 1:21:06
  sheeps and we follow each other without even checking anything.
• 1:21:12
  And if most humans, when they're getting 10 messages a day and 9
• 1:21:19
  messages of them, how Israel is bad because there was more
• 1:21:22
  people creating those videos and content and this and then and
• 1:21:27
  you get only one message about Israel is good, but because
• 1:21:31
  there is less people that's Jewish, that creates all those
• 1:21:35
  videos too. It's a numbered game.
• 1:21:37
  Yeah, 2 billion, you said 2 billion, two billion.
• 1:21:40
  Versus 14 to 16. Million Jewish people.
• 1:21:43
  No. So if you're getting 9 versus 1,
• 1:21:45
  obviously most likely you're going to believe 29 messages and
• 1:21:49
  video, different videos you got not to the one you got.
• 1:21:52
  So Israel has been painted as an oppressor, an apartheid and the
• 1:21:58
  Gazan Palestinian of the poor minority without future.
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  Actually, it's the opposite because the fight is not Israel
• 1:22:08
  and Palestine. Israel is fighting Hamas.
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  Listen to this one. Israel declared a war on Hamas.
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  The entire Hamas regime and the Islamist Islamic State declare a
• 1:22:27
  war on the Jewish state. Who is the minority?
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  The fight. The war is not on in Israel.
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  The war is also in Los Angeles. I got cancelled.
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  You got cancelled, Yeah. What do you mean?
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  Few people in my art life decided to live not, not not to
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  artist in Los Angeles, and after the October 7th attacks and your
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  volunteer work there, people that you were working with
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  before are refusing to work with you.
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  A few people from. Because you're a Jewish Israeli.
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  Few people that from Europe, some from LA, I might be risking
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  their other roster or artist because I'm I became the
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  political artist. I don't see myself like that,
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  but it doesn't matter. So I'm too risky for business to
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  be around with. If it's not a war, So what?
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  A war is. There is some Jewish people
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  seen more anti-Semitism against Jews in America and in Los
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  Angeles? 1000%, 1000% no doubt.
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  What are some of the things you've seen or heard?
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  Breaking into houses, fights in the street, marking David stars
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  on my door which I don't know. I will do it.
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  Myself on your door. Not my door, on the other doors,
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  other. People on other people's doors.
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  Bunch of attacks on the campuses on the campuses is another war
• 1:25:38
  like going on like how? How is it related to Palestine
• 1:25:43
  and those people never even been there?
• 1:25:45
  Like what? What, what happened when, when
• 1:25:48
  Bashar al-Assad killed, I don't know, 600, I don't know how many
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  hundreds of thousands of civilians?
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  Where were you? What?
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  What country was that? Syria.
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  Syria. So in Syria.
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  Guys, it was. Hundreds of thousands of
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  civilians were. Hundreds of that was killed by
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  Bashar al. I want, you know, my studio.
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  So this one, my studio is right in the front of the capital on
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  the the City Hall in, in LA, in downtown LA, right in the front.
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  For the past four years, I've been in the studio on the ground
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  level. So I see every rally that is
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  starting in LA, it's starting in front of my studio.
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  Wow. Every Sunday, every Saturday, I
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  see it all. I see all the groups from Black
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  Lives Matter to right wing to left wing, everything.
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  And it's so inspiring. Right away they're inspired to
• 1:26:41
  see all the different groups and every week in a different group.
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  And where was the rally for the Syrian?
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  I know about every rally that is going on in Los Angeles because
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  I'm right in the front of the City Hall and all the rallies
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  are starting their biggest rallies now every weekend I see
• 1:27:04
  the Palestinian they're they're passing.
• 1:27:07
  I'm I'm sometimes smoking cigarette and I'm like among
• 1:27:09
  them and I'm looking at them. So no rally for the Syrian
• 1:27:13
  people, no rally for the Afghani refugees that are being
• 1:27:17
  dispelled right now forcibly, No food, no homes, no rally for the
• 1:27:22
  Armenian Christians, no who are being slaughtered.
• 1:27:25
  The Armenians have been right now for years, by the way.
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  So what rallies are you seeing right now?
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  Now, now, now. Palestinians only.
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  What are those rallies? I used to see a lot of Black
• 1:27:38
  Lives Matter I on the riots, my studio was there on the riots, I
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  was, I was standing in front of my studio and all the riots were
• 1:27:46
  around my studio. But because I was protecting,
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  you know, and, and my my place, no one looked my place but LGTBQ
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  and all of their around different organizations,
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  everything and, and no no no rallies for all the people that
• 1:28:11
  died, you know, around the world, you know nothing 0.
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  You said something interesting earlier about talking about the
• 1:28:21
  refugees. There are 33 Muslim countries.
• 1:28:26
  None of them want to accept Palestinian refugees.
• 1:28:29
  I think of Jordan, the Queen of Jordan, Queen Rania, you know,
• 1:28:33
  very angrily speaking out against the treatment, how she
• 1:28:36
  sees IDF treatment of Gaza. How dare you?
• 1:28:39
  But Jordan is not accepting Palestinian refugees, Egypt not
• 1:28:44
  accepting Palestinian refugees. And, and you said earlier I said
• 1:28:48
  why? And you said it's a nest.
• 1:28:50
  I think you said of of or Wasps nest of terrorism.
• 1:28:54
  So they don't want Palestinian refugees in their countries
• 1:28:57
  because they know that they will destabilize the country.
• 1:29:00
  That's the concern. Maybe I, I don't know.
• 1:29:05
  I, I know that everyone there know and see what we see.
• 1:29:13
  They, they know all those are countries, but they have to
• 1:29:17
  stick to specific agenda, I guess, because for a political
• 1:29:22
  side and money and power and stuff like that, right?
• 1:29:24
  But yeah, they have to stick to a specific agenda.
• 1:29:29
  That's why. But why wouldn't they help the
• 1:29:32
  Palestinian seriously right now? Seriously.
• 1:29:35
  Right now? They say Israel is the one that
• 1:29:38
  must help them. Let's let's say that Israel is
• 1:29:41
  creating a genocide right now and killing babies, right?
• 1:29:46
  That's the and slattering babies on the streets.
• 1:29:50
  Where are 33 countries? How come those 33 countries not
• 1:29:57
  ripping out Israel? How come, how come, how come,
• 1:30:03
  how come it's only in the media? How come the pressure is it's
• 1:30:09
  like political pressure and not like how come no one is
• 1:30:14
  attacking Israel, right? How, how come Hezbollah is just
• 1:30:17
  a little bit rockets here, a little bit rockets there are not
• 1:30:20
  like how come look. Why do you think?
• 1:30:23
  Because it's not true. Everybody know it's not true.
• 1:30:26
  They know Israel does precision strikes, air strikes on Gaza,
• 1:30:33
  that the target is the terrorists.
• 1:30:36
  And when there are civilian casualties, why does the
• 1:30:39
  Ministry of Health, there's the Ministry of Health and Health in
• 1:30:42
  Gaza. I see CNN reporting, I see
• 1:30:45
  Reuters reporting, Ministry of Health reports 12,000 dead.
• 1:30:50
  What's the sense of that? Do you, do you?
• 1:30:51
  You've been in war with Hamas before.
• 1:30:54
  What's your sense of that? So it's a great question.
• 1:31:00
  You know how much time it takes in a massacre to understand how
• 1:31:05
  many died, how many missing, and how many got hurt.
• 1:31:11
  It takes time their reports are so quick like 11 bomb on the
• 1:31:19
  chief of hospital which was not from Israel was was actually
• 1:31:23
  firing from the jihad and and had a failure and dropped on the
• 1:31:27
  chief hospital with the admit already less than an hour.
• 1:31:31
  They said 500 got killed. Really in less than an hour you
• 1:31:35
  count 500 dead bodies? Come on bro, it's probably going
• 1:31:38
  to take you a week. A week to count 500 killed like.
• 1:31:42
  People, they say, well, the United Nations approves our
• 1:31:45
  numbers, so they must be true. The UN aid organization says our
• 1:31:49
  numbers have been accurate, so that they must be true is their
• 1:31:51
  response to that. So they can say whatever they
• 1:31:54
  want and they, they're saying many things that the, the, the,
• 1:31:58
  the health organizations, whatever controlled by who in
• 1:32:02
  the Gaza by, by the way, nothing.
• 1:32:06
  There is nothing that is going on in Gaza without Hamas.
• 1:32:12
  Nothing. There is nothing.
• 1:32:15
  You cannot operate in Gaza and do whatever you want in Gaza
• 1:32:18
  without, without the connection to Hamas.
• 1:32:23
  So Hamas is basically controlling those numbers.
• 1:32:30
  And obviously I will not trust these people who are behaving
• 1:32:36
  people and torturing and raping to give the right numbers of or
• 1:32:41
  got killed. Do you think that the
• 1:32:43
  terrorists, Hamas terrorists and some of their leaders
• 1:32:48
  intentionally do not evacuate their families?
• 1:32:51
  Well, they know that there will be strikes upon their bases
• 1:32:54
  where they keep their families. I don't think children.
• 1:32:57
  I don't think I know it for fact.
• 1:33:00
  I know that I know that for a fact.
• 1:33:02
  That's their technique to fight among civilians, because they
• 1:33:07
  know that this is the the this is what makes Israel the bad
• 1:33:16
  person. That's their Achilles.
• 1:33:18
  Heel that, that, that's, that's their.
• 1:33:19
  That's their strength. That's their technique.
• 1:33:26
  It's a weird war. It's not.
• 1:33:29
  It's a psychological war. You know that not only the Hamas
• 1:33:34
  is involved in this, the poor Palestinian people are just
• 1:33:39
  puppets, you know. I feel bad for them, by the way.
• 1:33:43
  Especially the children. Hell yeah, they are born to
• 1:33:48
  probably die, you know, and. When you said earlier that
• 1:33:54
  they're raised from a young age, the Palestinian children in Gaza
• 1:33:57
  particularly to hate Jews. I've seen some of the videos and
• 1:34:03
  photos of young school plays. We're talking like first grade.
• 1:34:07
  They dress up as jihad to go, jihadis to go and attack.
• 1:34:10
  You know, they have a Jew. They pretend they're stabbing a
• 1:34:14
  Jew as part of this play that they're acting out of freedom
• 1:34:17
  resistance. They they think of it as is
• 1:34:21
  there anything more you can share about that that you think
• 1:34:23
  Americans don't understand about how Palestinian children are
• 1:34:26
  raised you? Know.
• 1:34:28
  And I want to stay here too, because people listening,
• 1:34:30
  there's so much confusion around this.
• 1:34:32
  This doesn't mean the Palestinian child is guilty or
• 1:34:35
  should be killed. They are innocent and they are
• 1:34:37
  brainwashed and they should be freed from this kind of ideology
• 1:34:41
  and from this leadership. I think that most people don't
• 1:34:47
  want to know and I think people supporting agendas based on
• 1:34:53
  their surrounding, based on their jobs, based on their
• 1:34:56
  career. I don't think people supporting
• 1:34:59
  based on facts. I don't think people reading
• 1:35:01
  facts. I don't think people even doing
• 1:35:02
  the research. I, I, I strongly believe that
• 1:35:08
  there's a lot of Jew hates out there.
• 1:35:09
  It's very easy to hate this. The, the, the smarter person
• 1:35:14
  that has been everybody saying control the world.
• 1:35:17
  I don't understand who, who, who, who is these people Jewish
• 1:35:21
  people that control the world. Please, I, I, I want to meet
• 1:35:23
  them because because my life very far from from being
• 1:35:29
  controlling the world, OK, and I'm not I'm not acting as a
• 1:35:35
  victim. I'm who who were the Jewish
• 1:35:38
  people to control the world? I'm, I'm, I'm trying to
• 1:35:41
  understand who are these people? You know, so, so, so it's very
• 1:35:45
  easy to, to listen to the poor people in all those videos of,
• 1:35:55
  of, of the poor Palestinian people that are, you know, and
• 1:36:01
  after the bombing and everything, they're like lifting
• 1:36:04
  the rocks and my lost my house and everything that there's so
• 1:36:07
  many layers to it that people don't even understand and want
• 1:36:10
  to investigate. So it's easier to hate the
• 1:36:13
  stronger it's easier to hate the stronger and the smarter it is.
• 1:36:18
  And and people are relying on their what will sound better to
• 1:36:29
  my surrounding? Who am I supporting?
• 1:36:31
  Most people don't have the balls to say hey, you know what to the
• 1:36:35
  surrounding. I actually know better.
• 1:36:38
  I actually think different. And that's why I say it's a herd
• 1:36:43
  of sheeps who following each other and unfortunately they are
• 1:36:51
  a big part of the Jewish hate now in this world.
• 1:36:57
  And they are responsible for many people who got killed also.
• 1:37:02
  So that's why I am strongly believe that the war is around
• 1:37:06
  the world and people getting killed because that people are
• 1:37:12
  so well haters or or or still want to know or or or for their
• 1:37:23
  agenda they they cannot say what they think is the truth.
• 1:37:28
  Tomer, this has been an incredible interview.
• 1:37:31
  I have just a few more questions.
• 1:37:32
  I mean, we could talk, I think, all day.
• 1:37:35
  There's so much to this conversation.
• 1:37:36
  But what is your take on these calls for a ceasefire?
• 1:37:42
  They say, you know, Israel's harming civilians.
• 1:37:47
  Ceasefire, Ceasefire. Well, what's going to happen
• 1:37:50
  after ceasefire? They say, well use diplomacy,
• 1:37:53
  just use diplomacy. What's your opinion on that?
• 1:37:55
  Up until I have met my wife, I would answer your question very,
• 1:38:02
  you know, straightforward way. But she always, you know, don't
• 1:38:12
  ever listen to what people say. Try to listen to what they mean
• 1:38:18
  when they say what they say. And, and let's talk about when
• 1:38:24
  people say ceasefire. It's a great slogan.
• 1:38:28
  It's like you want to put it on a T-shirt because when you wear
• 1:38:31
  a T-shirt that say ceasefire, you become the peace and love
• 1:38:36
  person, right? But that's not the case.
• 1:38:39
  People who are calling ceasefire, it's not because they
• 1:38:42
  want peace and love. People are calling ceasefire.
• 1:38:46
  It's people that want Hamas to continue with their atrocities
• 1:38:54
  and that's it. That's it.
• 1:38:58
  That's exactly what it says. People that say ceasefire,
• 1:39:03
  they're saying Israel is not. We don't want Israel to get
• 1:39:09
  their hostages back. The slogan ceasefire sounds a
• 1:39:18
  lot better than the slogan Bringing the hostages Back Home.
• 1:39:25
  There was a, there was a short term truce.
• 1:39:28
  And during that time, in exchange for, you know, dozens
• 1:39:31
  of Palestinian prisoners, many had committed or collaborated in
• 1:39:36
  acts of terror. Israel exchanged 30 per day for
• 1:39:40
  13 Israeli hostages and got back, I think almost 100.
• 1:39:45
  But then I understand Hamas started firing again, broke the
• 1:39:49
  ceasefire, and now Israel has resumed its attacks as well.
• 1:39:55
  So I've been in Gaza as a soldier during ceasefires.
• 1:40:04
  I don't know about 1. One ceasefires out of hundreds
• 1:40:12
  that Israel had in the past, in my lifetime, that Hamas didn't
• 1:40:18
  break 11. It's another thing that people
• 1:40:25
  don't know you. Know there was a ceasefire on
• 1:40:28
  October 7th. Yeah, where you know, and and
• 1:40:31
  and they broke it too. So ceasefire is basically
• 1:40:40
  telling Israel you not going to get your hostages back.
• 1:40:45
  And Hamas will should keep their atrocity because as soon as
• 1:40:49
  Israel will will put their weapons down, there is no more
• 1:40:53
  Jewish state. And the opposite is if Hamas
• 1:40:55
  will put their weapon down, will now be attacking on Gaza and
• 1:41:01
  we're not even attacking Gaza, we're attacking Hamas.
• 1:41:03
  So, so this cost concept is for me, it's very simple.
• 1:41:11
  It's very simple for me to understand that, you know,
• 1:41:14
  because we always say it's complicated.
• 1:41:15
  It's complicated for me. It's very simple because I've
• 1:41:19
  been there. I've, I grew up in Southeast
• 1:41:22
  Jerusalem. I know the Israeli Palestinian
• 1:41:27
  conflict from my home, like I grew up to it, you know, So I
• 1:41:33
  see it, I see what's going on. I see the two sides.
• 1:41:35
  I have a lot of Muslim strands. But anyway, yeah, it's an
• 1:41:44
  interesting one. So it sounds like in this case,
• 1:41:47
  because this was unprecedented, more deaths and horrors, I mean
• 1:41:52
  the most since the Holocaust for the Jewish people on October
• 1:41:55
  7th. This is it.
• 1:41:57
  They can't continue to allow IDF Israel saying we cannot continue
• 1:42:01
  to allow this to go on. A mosque must be defeated once
• 1:42:04
  and for all. I wish and I hope that Israel
• 1:42:09
  and the IDF will stick to their promise to eliminate Hamas and
• 1:42:14
  will not go out of Gaza. And I said with a very happy
• 1:42:19
  heart. By the way, Gaza is not a fun
• 1:42:22
  place to be for soldiers. I can tell you that as a
• 1:42:26
  soldier, I didn't want to go into Gaza.
• 1:42:30
  Why not? It's, it's dangerous.
• 1:42:32
  It's it's, it's every in my time, every corner was, was with
• 1:42:38
  the improvised explosive devices.
• 1:42:42
  Every corner. And as a soldier, I didn't want
• 1:42:46
  to die. I I wanted to leave, you know?
• 1:42:52
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:42:53
  I'll die for my country. But I didn't go to the military
• 1:42:56
  to die, you know, I wanted the military because because I
• 1:42:58
  wanted to protect the country, not because I wanted to die, You
• 1:43:01
  know, we want to leave. We, we, we, we truly want peace.
• 1:43:06
  We, we want to live in peace. And Israel can live in peace.
• 1:43:10
  So do you have proof Israel has 2 million Arabs inside Israel
• 1:43:14
  right now? 2 million Arabs in Israel.
• 1:43:16
  Inside Israel, you know, they're saying Israel is apartheid.
• 1:43:19
  Apartheid. You have, you have two million
• 1:43:21
  Arabs inside Israel. They serve in the military.
• 1:43:25
  They're police officer, they're doctors.
• 1:43:26
  By the way, you know you're going to a doctor in Israel, 70%
• 1:43:31
  chances you're going to see an Arab doctor. 70% of doctors.
• 1:43:34
  And I'm saying 70% because the reason I'm saying 7% because one
• 1:43:38
  time was something about Israel. Every time, the reason every
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  time I went to visit to Israel, every time I went to a doctor
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  was Arab doctor, which again, no, not, not that I have a
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  problem with that. It's just showing you that there
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  is, there is, there is there is Arabs, Muslims, Arabs in the
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  Knesset, in the parliament, in the Supreme Court.
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  What about that? What are you talking about?
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  People that say that they they they've never been in Israel.
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  Are there Jewish people living peacefully in Gaza?
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  No. Are there Jewish people living
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  peacefully in the West Bank? No.
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  But there are Palestinian in. Europe.
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  You're not even allowed to go, but there's Palestinian Arab
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  people living peacefully in Israel.
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  A lot. And by the way, we used to go to
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  when I was a kid in the Hades. I remember we went to Kalkila,
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  we went to Hebron, we went to with the West Bank to eat
• 1:44:39
  Hormuz. It was really fun.
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  It was great until the 2nd Intifada.
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  What was that? 2000, 2001, that wouldn't.
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  That's when I wasn't the military, by the way, I wasn't
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  the second intifada in the operation, which was one of the
• 1:44:55
  craziest operations. These are, you know, the second
• 1:44:59
  Intifada was very hard for soldiers.
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  So this was an uprising. And when you say intifada for
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  people, Americans who may not understand, this was an uprising
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  in the West Bank against Israel. Yeah.
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  Military militaristic uprising and terrorist attacks, yes.
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  And so Israel responds, you're in the military at the time, but
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  before that people would pass freely between the West Bank and
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  Israel. There's a a now becoming more
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  famous on social media. He is of Jewish descent, but
• 1:45:31
  he's very anti Israel and his name is Norman Finkelstein.
• 1:45:36
  You probably maybe have heard of him, but but he says the
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  infatada was not violent. It was merely an attempt to take
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  back, you know, land. But they only would use violence
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  to protect themselves. I mean, this is the narrative.
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  There is nothing related to land.
• 1:45:57
  It could nothing to do with land.
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  It was. It was not, not the violent
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  terrorist attack every other day in every corner in Israel.
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  You saw you saw this, or you hurt.
• 1:46:10
  You were you were alive at this time.
• 1:46:13
  I was up north and it was Passover, and when I got
• 1:46:18
  released to go home, I was stationed up north Dove
• 1:46:25
  Mountain, and it was Passover night.
• 1:46:29
  I was on my way to my mother family in Natania.
• 1:46:34
  It's a city in the center of Israel on the coast.
• 1:46:38
  And, and I was late to the, to the set up to the dinner.
• 1:46:43
  And I as soon as I got in, I got a message that I got to go back
• 1:46:47
  and there was probably a war starting because there was a
• 1:46:49
  terrorist attack in Natania, the same city I stepped into.
• 1:46:53
  And I don't remember how many people got killed, but one of
• 1:46:58
  my, it was Park Hotel that the, the restaurant, I don't know if
• 1:47:05
  the restaurant owner, one of the manager of the hotel was the
• 1:47:08
  father of the family of father of one of my best friends from
• 1:47:12
  the military. So I went back and, and the
• 1:47:17
  second, the Hallmark Mcgendi operation started a day after
• 1:47:21
  already. So we went back to the military
• 1:47:23
  and now we after a few weeks, a few days, I'm sorry, we went
• 1:47:27
  down to Jenin and we were fighting in Jenin for a few
• 1:47:29
  months. And that was a second intifada,
• 1:47:33
  very violent, very a lot of a lot of these people got got
• 1:47:37
  killed yard dirt. Tamara, what do you think is do
• 1:47:41
  you have an opinion on what the solution is?
• 1:47:45
  Overcome. Defeat Hamas, then what?
• 1:47:51
  You know, I everything I I'm talking about, I'm talking from
• 1:47:59
  experience because I grew up to it, not because I'm breeding or
• 1:48:04
  investigating the political side how to resolve it.
• 1:48:11
  I can tell you 1000% as a person who was growing up with Muslims
• 1:48:19
  in between two villages in southeast Jerusalem to Bahel and
• 1:48:22
  Jabul Mukabul, and as a person who understand the language, as
• 1:48:29
  a person who understand the culture.
• 1:48:31
  I was going into a mosque almost every weekend because I was
• 1:48:35
  playing with my friends, the Arabs that was growing up next
• 1:48:38
  to me. I can tell you 100% and I'm not,
• 1:48:41
  I'm not representing Israel, Israel.
• 1:48:43
  I'm not representing my country in in in a political way.
• 1:48:49
  I represent my culture. And I can tell you that the day
• 1:48:55
  that people will stop trying to think or educate or kill or want
• 1:49:05
  to kill Jewish people, that's the days that we will told our
• 1:49:10
  weapon downs because we wish not to send our kids to the
• 1:49:16
  military. And my father, you know, when I
• 1:49:24
  was a little boy, I always ask him, am I going to go to the
• 1:49:28
  military? Am I going to military?
• 1:49:29
  Say I wish that the one day when you're going to grow up, you,
• 1:49:32
  you won't need to go to the military.
• 1:49:34
  And I'm saying the same thing to my kids.
• 1:49:36
  You know, I don't want them to go to the military.
• 1:49:40
  And we as a culture, we, we do want to live in peace, but we
• 1:49:50
  will never put our weapon down as long as there is an ideology
• 1:49:54
  of whether to kill the Jews, you know, we will, we will die for
• 1:49:59
  our identity. You know, it's, that's the
• 1:50:04
  solution. That's the solution.
• 1:50:07
  That's it. There was no other solutions.
• 1:50:09
  I don't care about any, any political whatever agendas.
• 1:50:15
  The day that we will feel that people want to eliminate the
• 1:50:22
  Jewish state, that's the day that we won't have a military
• 1:50:25
  anymore. And I moved to the state because
• 1:50:29
  of that. I didn't want to live in this
• 1:50:31
  world. I grew up into this world.
• 1:50:34
  I, I had an apartment and I had that when I was 10 years old.
• 1:50:38
  I had the knife. I was walking with a knife since
• 1:50:40
  I was 10 because a lot of Alps used to attack us too.
• 1:50:44
  When I was a kid. My wife grew up with me in the
• 1:50:48
  same street from the same neighborhood.
• 1:50:51
  And I know she had friend that almost got raped and she almost
• 1:50:56
  got raped. She was sexually assault my wife
• 1:51:00
  when she was when she was young. And this is by Muslims, Arabs
• 1:51:06
  who has Israeli citizenship, who believes that all Jews need to
• 1:51:13
  be need to die. As I said, not all of them like
• 1:51:17
  that, but the big majority of them that the majority of them
• 1:51:21
  are. And and we've been living this
• 1:51:27
  life, you know, and I moved to the state to pursued my out
• 1:51:36
  career because because we want a colorful life.
• 1:51:44
  And, and now after so many years that we had colorful life, we
• 1:51:51
  realized that nothing has been changed.
• 1:51:55
  Holocaust is back and and that's what's up.
• 1:51:59
  That's that's what we had. So I hope the idea will finish
• 1:52:05
  it, at least the Hamas. I don't know if it will finish
• 1:52:09
  the ideology. What do you What would you want?
• 1:52:14
  Your fellow Americans, Your fellow Los Angelinos?
• 1:52:19
  You've shared so much important information.
• 1:52:21
  What kind of response would you like to see from your fellow
• 1:52:28
  Americans at this time? You said this is another
• 1:52:30
  Holocaust now that you're facing.
• 1:52:39
  I want people to look at themselves, at the mirror and
• 1:52:46
  ask yourself, without no one watching, you don't believe
• 1:52:53
  because you hate. You don't believe because you
• 1:52:56
  don't have enough proof. And if you do hate, you're part,
• 1:53:05
  you're part of this and NASA cars, you're part of this war.
• 1:53:13
  You're responsible for this war. I think we got to a point when,
• 1:53:22
  and this is something people don't realize yet, we got to a
• 1:53:27
  point where it's a silent third World War.
• 1:53:36
  And I don't think there is a middle side.
• 1:53:43
  There is, there is this side or this side like a side and should
• 1:53:54
  be honest with yourself and look at yourself in the mirror and
• 1:53:57
  ask yourself the right questions.
• 1:54:00
  Where can people, if they feel maybe they don't know, they
• 1:54:03
  haven't picked a side because they say, well, I don't have
• 1:54:06
  enough information. I'm confused.
• 1:54:08
  I see all of this stuff about how bad Israel is.
• 1:54:11
  So, you know, they say, I, I, I don't like picking a side.
• 1:54:15
  Where do you recommend that they go?
• 1:54:17
  Talk to Israelis who lives in Israel.
• 1:54:19
  Talk to an Israeli who lives in. Israel who lives in Israel?
• 1:54:21
  In Israel? Talk to Israelis who lives in
• 1:54:24
  Israel. They know.
• 1:54:30
  Where can people find your work? You're using your art now to
• 1:54:34
  spread awareness about what's happening to the Jewish people,
• 1:54:39
  to Israelis. So my work is now now in
• 1:54:47
  downtown Los Angeles online. You can find it, Tom El Perez.
• 1:54:53
  Just Google it you. Everything will come up right
• 1:54:56
  away. Instagram.
• 1:54:58
  I'm very active on Instagram. I'm actually having a huge art
• 1:55:02
  installation. It's called When the Music
• 1:55:04
  Stopped. It's about the massacre.
• 1:55:08
  I'm doing two of them, two installations right now in Miami
• 1:55:12
  next week for Art Basel, and it's going to be South Beach and
• 1:55:16
  Fort Lauderdale. And yeah, that's exciting.
• 1:55:22
  That is exciting. How can people support your
• 1:55:24
  work? It's it's, I think I follow on
• 1:55:29
  on, on Instagram. We'll give you a lot of
• 1:55:31
  information because I'm, I'm mainly posting and active over
• 1:55:34
  there. So different leads and how to
• 1:55:36
  participate, Volunteers. And we are looking for
• 1:55:39
  volunteers, we're looking for supporters, we are looking for
• 1:55:43
  people to come and even watch it and look at that.
• 1:55:48
  Yeah, it's very emotional and we found, we found it very
• 1:55:52
  therapeutic also. Like it's very, it's very
• 1:55:54
  helping people to heal from traumas that they have like they
• 1:55:58
  got only when they watch videos over and they cried at home and
• 1:56:01
  even if they were not in Israel. So a lot of people having trauma
• 1:56:05
  on that part. So it's very helping to come and
• 1:56:09
  see what we're doing because it's very, it's putting you in
• 1:56:13
  in a zone and and letting you release, release it in in
• 1:56:18
  different ways. So how do you recommend it
• 1:56:20
  actually to come and look at that?
• 1:56:22
  Thank you, Omar. Thank you so much for taking the
• 1:56:24
  time to talk with me. Sure.
• 1:56:26
  Thank you. We'll link through stuff because
• 1:56:28
  I think people should see it. And thanks for your courage and
• 1:56:31
  sharing what you saw and speaking freely about how you
• 1:56:35
  see the events that are unfolding right now.
• 1:56:38
  Thank you. Thank you so much for listening
• 1:56:41
  to this episode of the Lila Rose Podcast.
• 1:56:44
  That was one of the more intense conversations I've had on this
• 1:56:49
  podcast. I found Tomers to be an amazing
• 1:56:53
  person. I think he's has an amazing
• 1:56:55
  story to tell. And I think what really shone
• 1:56:58
  through for me was that he loves life and that he wants life and
• 1:57:02
  that that's what he wants for his family and for his people
• 1:57:04
  and for all people, really. So I hope that this was
• 1:57:07
  illuminating. I hope that it was something
• 1:57:09
  that was helpful to you. I really want to hear from my
• 1:57:12
  podcast listeners. I really care about what you
• 1:57:14
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• 1:57:16
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• 1:57:20
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