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Second Thoughts | Why We Can’t Stop Hustling · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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When people always talk about rhythms, I feel it's a bit of Christianese
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rhetoric here, and I don't get it. Can I be that honest? I've been a
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Christian all my life, born and raised. I'm not sure I get what
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rhythm means. What does it mean to you? Because it means a lot to a
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lot of people. But, I mean, you're not a musician, so.
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I don't have rhythm. That's why.
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This is Journey with Care, a podcast by Care Impact, where
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life stories and honest conversations. Conversations.
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Have we mistaken productivity for purpose? Maybe the real work
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isn't in doing more, but in learning how to stop.
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Hey, this is our first second thoughts episode.
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Wendy, so what are we doing here? Like, why is
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this a little bit different than our interview episodes? Well,
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we wanted some time to reflect on some really good nuggets that
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we discussed last week. And. And I think there's a lot there that I would
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love to chat with you. There's some things that have been reoccurring in my mind
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since our conversation that we want to invite our listeners in.
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Yeah. And you just got to put some of this into practice by
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going on a fantastic holiday. Oh, I
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did. Yeah. We just came back from Cayman Island.
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Oh, what a treat. We got to visit with some friends and
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gotta put some practice into what does it mean to rest and get off
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this crazy schedule we've been on.
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I think the term you used in our last episode is getting off the hamster
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wheel. Yeah. And that's the episode that we record with Zach Manti,
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and that's what we're talking about today. A little bit hijacked by busy, overbooked, and
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under connected. So, Wendy, did you get off your
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hamster wheel on this trip? Zach gave us a challenge to go on
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a walk and don't listen to anything, stay disconnected, and
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just listen and hear the things around you sort of thing.
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Well, I'll be real with you. After we
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recorded that, I was basically going, going, going. If anything, I
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sped up to slow down because anybody out there knows how
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much work it is to go on holidays, especially when you're leaving kids or other
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responsibilities at work behind. So I basically ran onto the
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tarmac, packing my bags right before we had to
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leave. I sat down, buckled in, and you know. You know that feeling
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when you're like you've checked in, you've gone through security, you're sitting
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in your spot and you're just leaving the tarmac,
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the wheels are just coming off the ground, it feels
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like heaven. So I will say that
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at that moment, I detached from this world, figuratively and
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literally. And I had a really good time, but
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my mind still kept going. I was still thinking of projects and my
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kids and this, that and the other thing. I was still texting some things just
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so that I could unwind. It took a few days, I'm not gonna lie.
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And I think that's one of the challenges that we've talked about even in the
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past, is sometimes we're at our best and most
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productive when we're on those holidays. I know, like when we were
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on winter holidays, we were still texting back and forth
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these ideas because I don't know about you, but I can't sleep at night when
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I have this idea, even if it's work related and I want to do
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something about it or I'm going to forget it or I'm going to lose passion
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for it. And I want to say it when I'm. When it's fresh and at
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its best. Right? Well, and that's just it, Johan. Like, we have a small
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but mighty team and we quit our jobs to do this
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because we're passionate about care, impact and the purposes
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of equipping the church and helping communities thrive
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and flourish and care for each other. So when we go on
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holidays and when we're called into this, it's like, I
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know we don't have that sense of shoulding into work. Like, we
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do clearly give ourselves permission to rest and
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Sabbath and take a break. But honestly, a bunch of
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innovators on holidays, my goodness. Our creativity ramped up.
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Our signal feeds were like, hey, look at this idea. And I just
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had this vision for this and that and we were just. It was kind of
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fun and refreshing. That's to me is like doing
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a puzzle by the fireside, just ideating of what
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could be. But then you get those that are considered non
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creatives, those are the ones texting you, saying you're supposed to be on holidays. Stop
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thinking about work. Right? Boundaries are like, ah, don't rain on my
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parade, don't snow on my Christmas.
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But I mean, Zach seemed to have like, he talked about rhythms a
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lot in his episode, how Sabbath should be a rhythm of life and how
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he says no to things. And he's very tight with his schedule. And there's a
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lot of aspects to that that I really like and are good for me.
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But sometimes there's that. There's that little bit of flexibility too.
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It's like, I want rest, but I Need that rest to be
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creative so that I can work. And it kind of intertwines. I
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like to mix the two far too often, probably at the detriment
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sometimes of my family and wife are saying, why don't you stop working? It's like,
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well, my mind's actually always working. This is just kind of.
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This is what I do. Yeah. And I think there's different
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forms of rest. There's one like laying on the
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couch and sleeping on a Sunday afternoon. And that's
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okay. I'm not a napper myself, but I don't live off a lot of
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sleep. Like I. Biologically, I have generations that we
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are high octane and that's how we thrive. But we do
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rest in conversations around the table, going
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for walks, doing things creative,
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imagining things together and designing things. Like
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there is a sense of rest. And I'm not trying to like bypass the idea,
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Wende, you're just trying. You're a workaholic and you're trying to justify
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that next sip of drink. Right, I get it.
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And there is that too. But personality wise,
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I think we have to look at how has God created us in the image
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of God? And what does rest look like for us? And to be
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honest, I'm going to be very honest with you, Johan. When people always talk about
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rhythms, I feel it's a bit of Christianese rhetoric here. And I
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don't get it. Can I be that honest? I. I've been a Christian all my
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life, born and raised. I'm not sure I get what
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rhythm means. What does it mean to you? Because it means a lot to a
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lot of people. But I mean, you're not a musician. So
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I don't have rhythm. That's why. Ouch.
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Yes, I get it. I mean, I am a musician, so I understand
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rhythms. So teach me, understand the neat. Like Zach even mentioned
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Salah. So that rest in the middle of a psalm. Right.
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You have the rhythms of Sabbath and rest, and that's
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all part of life. And that's kind of the rhythm of life going in and
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out, breathing in, breathing out. And I understood a lot of that.
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And it. Okay, I don't always act upon that. We're not
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harping on Zach at all because he has so many good things to say. Oh,
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absolutely. And man, I walked away from that conversation and I was
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jealous of those connections that he made with other people because he
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was able to say no and have those rhythms. It's like, man, I want to
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make connections with people at a deeper level. And he's Found a way to do
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that. And for me, I'm like, I want to find a way to do that
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myself. Yeah. I really loved his example in the cul de
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sac of where he took time to bring out his coffee machine
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and it became something that the community longed for. They came
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out very unstructured time, unhurried
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time. And so in that light, and thank you for
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educating me, the non musician. I get it, and
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I resonate with that. I don't push back on the idea of it, but I
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just don't have any rhythm. I'm a Mennonite offbeat. I can't even
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dance. I guess where I get
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uneasy with people's kind of strict, almost
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sacred sense of saying no to things, if I'm
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honest, is that sometimes we've blocked out the other
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at the detriment of those that don't have the privilege of saying
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no or yes to certain things. They are in a predicament where they
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just need the support of community. And yet who am I to
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say no all the time? I get that I can't help
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everybody, but we've compartmentalized a lot. Like,
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nope, this is my volunteer time. This is my church time. This
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is my family time. And we've sort of made
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it idolatry, these different compartments. And if you look at it,
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by definition, that's secularism. And I think the church has
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sometimes endorsed secularism, compartmentalize of this and that.
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And we've celebrated saying no more than we've celebrated the
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sacrifice and suffering and presence and
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learning to trust God for that rhythm. Now I understand
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it better. Thank you. To breathe in when
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I take in kids. And I don't know if I have margin, but God
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has clearly interrupted my schedule and really put a spoke into
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that hamster wheel I was on and halted that for something that
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I didn't have time for. God has given me breath in
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that time. And it's not a permission to be unfaithful
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or uncaring. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so.
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And like you said how hard it is to say no.
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Zach talked about how saying no to things so that you can have deeper
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connection with people around you. But the thing is, sometimes
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those things on our calendar, those things that demand our attention, are
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things that will give us connection with other people. Like, there's
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things that. There's people at church that want to do stuff and you want to
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have connection with them, and there's family events, and you want to
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have connection there. But there's only so many hours in your
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Schedule. So you need to say no to those things which give connection. So there's
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a balance there. Trying to figure that out. Yeah. I've been teaching
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my kids and now my grandkids, we have this thing going, actually. My dad taught
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me, how do you say no to drugs? And then they shout out.
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And I did. As a child, it's like, no. They'll say, how
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do you say no to drugs? No. But we could say that. How do you
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say no to programs? How do you say no to the expectations
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and the adoration of others? No. Easier said than
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done. And there I would get on the no
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bandwagon 100%. I say yes far too
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easy. Just because of the expectations and not necessarily out
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of calling or out of connectedness, but out of
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obligation. And I wish I could
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declutter. And sometimes I do. I'm
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getting strategies even in my calendars, how to declutter. So I
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create margin and space to say yes to the things that I'm actually
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called to. And not feeling bad about it.
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Yeah. And actually we put a poll on our Care Impact
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Facebook group page on. On Facebook.
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And the question was, what's the biggest reason you stay busy? And the
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options were too much to do, not enough time. The second one was
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hard to say no. Third one, I feel more productive when I'm
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busy. Fourth was, it's just a habit. I don't even think
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about it. And the last one is, I don't. I'm as
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balanced as a balance. So we
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tied with hard to say no. And I feel more
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productive when I'm busy. And honestly, I think I'm kind of tied myself
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between those two. I find it hard to say no. And I do feel more
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productive when I'm busy. And we talked about last week how
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I wear busy as a badge of honor. Sometimes it's
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people ask how you're doing. I'll often say, oh, I'm busy.
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And as if that's a good thing. And I'm really trying to. It's
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just how we're conditioned. But I really do want to adjust that. And
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it bothered me that that's what I say. That's my default. I really like
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how our co worker Tim put it. He's been on the podcast before.
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He says, instead of talking about how busy you are,
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it might be full of good things. So then you say, I'm
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full rather than busy. It's like, oh,
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I'm full, meaning you're doing meaningful things. You're
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giving your time, not just to busyness and
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pointless tasks and I'm a task oriented guy. But I
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really want my life to be full with the things that are meaningful. Don't you
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think though that in recent years, in our lifetime, this is aging
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us a bit already? But it's only accelerated. Like with the
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instant, like thumb scrolling and the instant
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ads and the bombardment of media
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and just the how efficient
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our phones are in coordinating and communicating with so many
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people. We are accessible all the time that it's accelerated. Like
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I find. So I was sitting on the beach just last week,
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having a good time. I honestly, I went snorkeling. I saw two stingrays
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and I saw. I swam with a shark, which is kind of freaky, but fun
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for a prairie girl. And I saw beautiful golden fish. But
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I come back to the beach and it's so easy to.
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I couldn't even puzzle without listening to a podcast. And
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I couldn't just sit there and color or journal without having some
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music on. Like, it feels like more productive of
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a time off. I wanted to cram in my, my
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holidays and do so much and I'm like
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just sitting in silence is kind of hard.
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Yeah, that's really hard for me to. I try to go on walks every day
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because I work in my basement and there's no windows and I would be
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pretty sad if I didn't get outside. So I try to go on daily walks,
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but my habit is always to listen to a podcast on my walk. And I
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kept hearing Zach's voice in the back of my head. You know that listener challenge.
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Go on a walk. Don't listen to anything but your
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surroundings. But for part of my walk, I walked by a highway
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and I don't want to listen to cars zipping by. I want my noise
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canceling headphones on and I want to listen to something that is going to engage
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me, that's going to keep me interested in my walk. As
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if nature itself isn't interesting. So I find that hard.
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And I really did try to take 20 minutes of one of my
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walks this week. Good for you. Do nothing but
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listen. But all I can hear are the thoughts in my head and those ideas
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and. Which might not be a bad thing. Yeah. And I think we
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just kind of have to lean into the moment and what is God asking of
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us? Sometimes he wants us quiet. Sometimes we are filled by music and
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other ways that God speaks through those. Those moments. Sometimes
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it's through a conversation. Will we stop having a conversation? Sometimes it's those very
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interruptions of stopping to talk to a neighbor that has Been life
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giving. Yeah. And Zach personally, like I've known him for several years
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now and he will personally keep me accountable sometimes. He knows that I
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am a busy person and he is too. So it's like right back at
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him. But he will like make sure that I and keep me
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accountable to like slow down and not do it all and
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say, are you taking care of self? So that self exploitation that he
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mentioned was something that has been a reoccurring message
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that him and I have been keeping each other accountable. Are
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we giving of ourselves to the detriment
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of ourselves, even though it is good? And can we
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not be always in those places of being so required that
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our absence is actually a gift too? Right. Where not everything,
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our family, our ministry, our church, our community is reliant on
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an individual that when Jesus got away,
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society didn't collapse. He was refilled and he
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refueled and was able to be present in those times.
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He was called to be present in community. And so that's something
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that I'm personally challenged to do. Not
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feels too important on my schedule. Yeah,
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I tell this to my daughter all the time because she is busy. Like she's
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taken all AP classes in grade 11, she's involved in two
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youth groups and she wants to do all these other
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extracurricular things, yfc, working out and all these things.
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And I tell her it's okay to say no to
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good things. Yeah, I have to keep telling her that. And when
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I tell her, I tell that to myself because I know I have trouble with
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that too. But she still doesn't say no because they're all good things. And
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she's like, but look at the opportunities this is going to get me in the
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years to come. And I'm just going to hustle hard in this
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time of my life so that the payback in the years to come are going
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to be greater. That's the way she's thinking. Well, and maybe it's also a
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personality thing too. Some people are more self preservation
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focused of like I only have this much reserve, so I'm gonna, I'm. They're
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much more disciplined and they have that edge of being able to tell they
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know what's on their dashboard, how much they can handle. I don't have a
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dashboard. I don't have self preservation.
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The things I say yes to. Like now I'm getting better at it and I,
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I'm knowing to say no things. I'm really not called to the doily club.
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Okay. So don't ask me for doilies and don't ask me to bring home baked
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cookies to class. I'm just going to say no. I'm good at saying that. But
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the things I do say yes to, Johan, are things I'm really passionate about.
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And I'm a passionate person for a lot of things. And it's there
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that I'm like, ooh, I don't know when I've taken on too much
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until I've taken on too much. Do you get into those habits
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or what are the things that you say yes to because you want to, but
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then you're like, oops, I over committed. I'm a
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very regimented schedule guy. I mean, like Zach,
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he has a schedule too, so if it doesn't fit in a schedule, he just
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says no to it. I tend to make less
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room for some other things on my schedule so I can say yes to more
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things, which isn't a healthy balance and something I need
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to work on. But you talked about accountability.
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Is that what it takes for people like us that like to say
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yes to things? Does it require that spouse or that
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person in our life that keeps us accountable to our schedule? I
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don't have a good rhythm in having someone keep me accountable. My wife will check
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up on me. Sometimes, but, yeah, not in like a programmatic way. I
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think so often we want to franchise a methodology and write a book
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and say, this is how you do it. And I'm like, there's so many ways
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to go around it. But I think what you're getting at is
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the need for community. Accountability is just a fancy word of
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being present with others and them having permission to speak into
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your life. And I think we can only be accountable to the level that we're
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vulnerable. I can be accountable to a certain level, but not let
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people access the inner beings of my heart. And I have to give
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people access to be part of my community at a deep way, not
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just in a superficial way, and. And inviting people to
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have that permission in my life to. To say, wendy, you've taken on too
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much, or I'm gonna take this off your plate right now.
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Or like our friends, we're gonna send you to this island right now
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because you need a break. They weren't wrong, and they did it in a
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loving way. And they received us with hospitality in a loving way.
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And I received that because they're like, you have taken on a lot
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and we want you to come away. It wasn't. If you're gonna take a
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break or go on a holiday, they're like, you're going on a
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holiday, and we're gonna help you get there. Those are the people in our
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community. Not everybody's gonna send you to an island, but those are the people in
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our community that can speak into our life and say, wende, come
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sit down. Take a deep breath. I need those people in my
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life. Sounds like I can use some more friends too.
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But I think we actually have to pursue relationships. And this is the
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thing about being busy. We can be busy with
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doing things together, with, at the end of the day, not really
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knowing each other. We haven't given of ourself to each other, and I
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think it's a wasted opportunity, really. So let's say you and I
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are excited about a church thing that's happening, and we
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both said yes. It both fits in our giftings, and we
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genuinely feel called to it. Great. So we go at it with
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all our might. We're doing this thing at church,
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and at the end of the day, we have a product. We. We have an
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outcome. Yay. But if we have not done it in
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relationship, in community, with each other, we have
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gypped ourselves. I haven't gotten to know you, you haven't gotten to know
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me. We haven't been able to speak into each other. We haven't been able to
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edify each other. We've just created a product, and I think that's a
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warning to the church or to people that love to be busy
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in the process. Are you also building relationships
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with those you're serving with? And particularly if
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we're serving many people in the community, are we with the
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people? I was talking to a pastor once, and they're like, yeah, we have a
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soup kitchen. But the problem is none of our volunteers actually want to be with
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the people. It's easier to give a can of soup. And they were being
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busy, but they weren't being vulnerable with each other. They weren't sitting with
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people who are actually needing more than that can of soup and that loaf
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of bread. And so it's how we're
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busy that will be life giving. Yeah. I think that's almost a good way
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to wrap it up. Like, even thinking about looking at your
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schedule and the things that you're busy with, are there opportunities
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for you to make a connection with the people in those
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activities? We're in the season of life where we're
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glorified taxi drivers for our kids. They need
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rides everywhere every night, and it
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becomes a chore, right? Like, yeah. But if you think of it as a
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chore, you're not going to enjoy driving your kids and you're going to miss it
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on that connection time. It's like, wow, I actually get to sit beside my
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daughter for half an hour uninterrupted in the vehicle.
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So can I use that as a time of connection rather than another chore? It's
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like, sure, this busy is my schedule, but it's now busied with something
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I can enjoy and find connection with. I think we need to look for more
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of those things in our schedule. And I think that'll be actually
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life giving as well. So it's not always just expending out
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for that other while we're doing it and we're, we're praying.
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We're, we're being with other. Like yesterday I was
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driving one of my kids to school. Same thing. Did I have time for it?
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Not really, but it was a time of connection like you said. And while I
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was waiting for them to come out, I was able to pray for them. And
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it was life giving. I felt enriched. I felt so grateful for those
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times that we could have missed just being
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busy. Let's end it there and we'll give our listeners
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the challenge this week. Look for one of those times
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where you feel it's busy in your schedule, but you
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can make a personal connection with someone and make it life giving to you rather
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than life sucking. Okay,
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so if today's conversation stirred something in you or if you have thoughts on
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Zach's episode, hey, we'd love to hear Reflections. Share your thoughts with us on the
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Care Impact podcast group on Facebook or you can reach out to us directly.
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You can check the show notes for our email address or ways to connect with
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us. We'd love to hear from you and journey with you. But now it's time
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for. This is the
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part of the episode where we take the mystery out of the insider language. You
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might hear from us or in caring communities. And today the
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phrase is spiritual bypassing.
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Johan, if you were hearing the term spiritual bypassing for the
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first time, what might you think it means?
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I think I have two definitions I would give it. I
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think the first one, spiritual bypassing. You know when you try to
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fix a broken appliance by praying over it instead of calling a
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repairman. Now, I hate to
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admit it, but I've probably done this before to vehicles and
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appliances. That's why I'm laughing, because I've laid hands on my
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computer on vehicles. It sometimes works. But,
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but wow, this is cute. But yeah, I think,
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yeah, if there's any other evangelicals listening that have done something like
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this. Let us know. And let us know over
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it. Yeah. Care Impact podcast group. We'd love to hear
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what happened. Okay, my second definition,
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it's what happens when you skip church, but tell everyone that you were there
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in spirit. Wow.
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Have you done that before? Me? Never. No,
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I'm always there. Yeah, you're always there. Yeah, of course.
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Okay, what does spiritual bypassing really mean? Okay, so let's go
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for the real definition. For some of you, this might be familiar, but it is
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actually something that is actually very prevalent all
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around us here in Canada. It happens when we
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use spiritual beliefs or practices to avoid dealing with
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emotional pain or unresolved trauma or tough life
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situations. It might sound something like, just have more faith or
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everything happens for a reason or just
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pray about it. When there's actually tangible
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ways of responding to real human needs, it doesn't mean that we
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compartmentalize and we, like, we leave God out of it. It's just
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like, okay, really, are we going to really
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bypass this situation? Rather than going into hard emotions
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or difficult situations, there's often an
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intolerance within Christian circles of
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discomfort, and so we want to quickly come up with a
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cliche type of response to
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real difficult situations. So it's kind of like sticking
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your head in the sand like an ostrich? Yeah, yeah, a little bit like
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that. Yeah. And the church is really good at it, and it actually prevents
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us from learning. It actually prevents the church from having a growth
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mindset, individuals from having a growth mindset, saying, you know what? Yes,
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Jesus is good. Yes. All these Bible verses that come to mind to
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respond to it are good and right.
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Yet how can we sit in the discomfort? How can
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we learn and grow? And what does God mean and how does God want me
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to respond in these situations? It causes us to want to be
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learn trauma care or understand poverty better rather
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than come up with just these tropes that make us feel good
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so that we can go on to the next subject. And when we're talking about
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caring for others, those people that are in hard places, children
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or elderly, or those in our community, spiritual bypassing
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can look a lot like just wanting to give really
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cute answers of, like, we're just going to love them with the love of Jesus.
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We're not going to like, be equipped or actually hear from their
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perspective or be aware of what they're coming into our
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situations, but we're just going to love them with Jesus. And yes, we want to
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love them with Jesus, but sometimes we need to understand how Jesus would love
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the individual going through those difficulties, but we don't want to feel those things.
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We don't want to see those hard, hard situations. In all
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honesty, we want to quickly get through it. So we'll quickly just like
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give them a band aid Care and not necessarily what they're
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looking for. We get the dopamine hit, but the person receiving our
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career when we spiritually bypass
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feels bypassed with some
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pat answers and Christianese. All right, Spiritual
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bypassing. Well, listeners, if you got a term you'd like us to
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decode, maybe you heard us say it, or maybe you've heard it
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said in these circles that we're in, send it our way. We'd love to feature
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it on a future episode and you can join the podcast group again,
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Care Impact Podcast Group. And maybe you can give us
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definitions to some future words that we'll have on there. Anyway,
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that's all for now. Until next week. Always remember to stay
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