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Stop Making Excuses why you can't Home Educate!! with Hannah Canavan · Home Education Matters

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  Welcome
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  to
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  Home
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  Education
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  Matters,
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  the
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  weekly
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  podcast
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  supporting
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  you
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  on
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  your
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  home
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  education
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  journey.
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  Hello
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  and
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  welcome
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  to
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  another
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  episode
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  of
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  Home
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  Education
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  Matters.
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  And
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  today
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  Hannah
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  Canavan
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  from
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  Thriving
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  with
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  Hannah.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  talking
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  about
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  people
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  that
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  make
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  excuses
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  for
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  reasons
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  why
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  they
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  can't
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  home
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  educate.
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  So
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  today's
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  episode
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  is
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  making
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  excuses
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  for
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  why
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  you
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  can't
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  home
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  educate.
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  And
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  I
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  thought
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  that
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  there
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  is
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  nobody
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  on
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  the
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  planet
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  who
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  is
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  willing
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  to
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  embrace
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  that
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  controversial
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  subject
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  with
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  me
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  other
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  than
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  Hannah.
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  So,
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  Hannah,
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  joining
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  me
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  on
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  the
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  podcast
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  today.
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  Before
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  we
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  launch
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  in
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  to
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  our
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  topic,
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  do
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  tell
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  our
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  listeners
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  your
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  home
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  education
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  journey?
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  Yeah,
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  sure.
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  Thank
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  you.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  the
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  introduction.
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  I
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  think
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  this
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  is
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  a
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  bit
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  of
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  a
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  spicy
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  one,
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  but
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  hopefully
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  people
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  also
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  get
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  a
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  lot
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  out
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  of
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  it,
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  so
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  this
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  is
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  quite
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  exciting.
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  I've
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  home
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  educated
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  for
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  nearly
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  15
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  years
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  now.
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  My
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  eldest
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  is
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  15.
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  Before
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  having
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  children,
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  I
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  worked
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  in
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  behaviour
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  management
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  at
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  a
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  people
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  referral
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  unit.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  where
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  I
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  first
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  saw
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  really
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  alternative
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  approaches
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  to
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  education
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  and
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  also
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  to
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  a
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  relationship
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  with
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  children,
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  almost
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  parenting
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  approach
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  in
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  this
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  unit.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  where
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  I
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  really
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  thought,
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  you
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  know,
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  mainstream
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  education
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  doesn't
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  work
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  for
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  so
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  many
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  children,
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  but
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  there
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  are
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  other
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  approaches
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  that
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  do.
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  We
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  then
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  looked
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  into,
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  you
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  know,
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  various
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  school
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  options
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  for
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  my
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  eldest
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  daughter,
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  but
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  I
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  still
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  had
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  this
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  gut
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  instinct
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  that
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  home
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  educate
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  or
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  that,
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  you
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  know,
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  it
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  might
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  sound
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  arrogant,
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  but
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  that
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  I
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  could
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  do
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  a
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  better
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  job
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  than
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  school
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  could
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  with
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  her.
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  I
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  didn't
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  know
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  it
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  at
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  the
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  time,
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  but
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  I
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  have
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  got
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  several
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  children
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  who
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  are
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  neurodivergent
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  and
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  this
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  decision,
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  I
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  think,
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  would
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  have
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  happened
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  sooner
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  or
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  later.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  feel
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  very
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  lucky
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  that
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  we
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  just
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  decided
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  to
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  do
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  it
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  at
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  the
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  beginning.
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  And
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  it's
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  been
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  15
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  years
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  of,
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  you
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  know,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  amazing
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  times,
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  some
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  struggles
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  as
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  well,
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  definitely.
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  But
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  I
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  haven't
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  regretted
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  it
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  for
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  a
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  second.
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  So
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  you've
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  home
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  educated
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  all
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  the
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  way
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  through.
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  You're
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  what
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  I
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  call
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  an
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  ideological
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  home
• 2:04
  educator.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  would
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  say
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  that's
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  accurate.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  they've
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  never
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  been
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  to.
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  They
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  didn't
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  go
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  to
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  nursery
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  either,
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  because
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  we
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  thought,
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  you
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  know,
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  one
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  concern
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  was,
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  are
• 2:11
  they
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  make
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  friends?
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  Is
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  there
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  a
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  community?
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  And,
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  you
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  know,
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  am
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  I
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  make
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  friends
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  as
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  well?
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  Am
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  I
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  going
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  to
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  just
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  be
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  really
• 2:17
  isolated?
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  And
• 2:18
  so
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  we
• 2:18
  decided
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  that
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  before
• 2:20
  school
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  age,
• 2:21
  you
• 2:21
  know,
• 2:22
  preschool
• 2:22
  age,
• 2:23
  that
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  we
• 2:24
  would
• 2:24
  give
• 2:24
  it
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  a
• 2:24
  go
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  and
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  act
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  as
• 2:25
  if
• 2:25
  we
• 2:25
  were
• 2:25
  home
• 2:25
  educating
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  already.
• 2:26
  And
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  so
• 2:27
  that
• 2:27
  period,
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  I
• 2:28
  think
• 2:28
  Esme
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  was
• 2:29
  two
• 2:29
  or
• 2:29
  three
• 2:29
  when
• 2:30
  we
• 2:30
  started
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  trying
• 2:31
  to
• 2:31
  find
• 2:31
  Friends
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  from
• 2:33
  that
• 2:33
  time,
• 2:34
  you
• 2:34
  know,
• 2:34
  we
• 2:34
  really
• 2:34
  slotted
• 2:35
  into
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  home
• 2:35
  ed
• 2:35
  community,
• 2:36
  found
• 2:36
  our
• 2:36
  group
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  and
• 2:38
  went
• 2:38
  from
• 2:38
  there.
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  Oh,
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  you've
• 2:40
  been
• 2:40
  very
• 2:40
  lucky
• 2:40
  then
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  you
• 2:41
  found
• 2:41
  your
• 2:41
  community
• 2:41
  nice
• 2:42
  and
• 2:42
  early.
• 2:42
  Very
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  lucky.
• 2:43
  Extremely
• 2:44
  lucky.
• 2:44
  And,
• 2:44
  you
• 2:45
  know,
• 2:45
  I
• 2:45
  think
• 2:46
  back
• 2:46
  to
• 2:46
  people
• 2:47
  who've
• 2:47
  home
• 2:47
  educated
• 2:48
  20
• 2:48
  or
• 2:48
  30
• 2:48
  years
• 2:49
  ago
• 2:49
  and
• 2:49
  I
• 2:49
  think
• 2:49
  it
• 2:49
  must
• 2:50
  have
• 2:50
  been
• 2:50
  a
• 2:50
  huge
• 2:50
  challenge
• 2:51
  to
• 2:51
  find
• 2:51
  community
• 2:52
  back
• 2:52
  then
• 2:53
  and
• 2:53
  now
• 2:53
  we're
• 2:53
  so
• 2:54
  lucky.
• 2:54
  There
• 2:54
  are,
• 2:54
  you
• 2:54
  know,
• 2:54
  obviously
• 2:55
  so
• 2:55
  many
• 2:55
  online
• 2:56
  spaces
• 2:56
  and
• 2:56
  communities
• 2:57
  that
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  can
• 2:58
  plug
• 2:58
  into
• 2:58
  WhatsApp
• 2:59
  groups
• 2:59
  and
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  it's
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  just
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  made
• 3:00
  it
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  so
• 3:00
  much
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  easier
• 3:01
  to
• 3:01
  find
• 3:02
  friends
• 3:02
  and
• 3:02
  a
• 3:03
  community.
• 3:04
  Yeah,
• 3:04
  I
• 3:04
  remember
• 3:04
  when
• 3:05
  I
• 3:05
  very
• 3:05
  first
• 3:05
  started,
• 3:06
  I
• 3:06
  didn't
• 3:06
  even
• 3:06
  know
• 3:07
  I
• 3:07
  was
• 3:07
  starting.
• 3:07
  I
• 3:07
  just
• 3:08
  didn't
• 3:08
  send
• 3:08
  them
• 3:09
  to
• 3:09
  school
• 3:09
  and
• 3:09
  so
• 3:09
  didn't
• 3:10
  even
• 3:10
  realize
• 3:10
  it
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  thing.
• 3:11
  But
• 3:12
  we
• 3:12
  were
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  Oxfordshire
• 3:13
  and
• 3:13
  it
• 3:13
  wasn't
• 3:14
  even
• 3:14
  on
• 3:14
  Facebook
• 3:14
  then.
• 3:15
  It
• 3:15
  was
• 3:15
  all
• 3:15
  done
• 3:16
  through
• 3:16
  like
• 3:16
  a
• 3:16
  weird
• 3:17
  kind
• 3:17
  of
• 3:17
  messaging
• 3:17
  app
• 3:17
  or
• 3:18
  like,
• 3:18
  I
• 3:18
  can't
• 3:19
  even
• 3:19
  remember
• 3:19
  what
• 3:19
  it
• 3:19
  was,
• 3:19
  but
• 3:19
  it
• 3:20
  was
• 3:20
  like
• 3:20
  back
• 3:20
  in
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  day,
• 3:21
  didn't
• 3:22
  even
• 3:22
  really
• 3:22
  do
• 3:22
  Facebook,
• 3:23
  so.
• 3:23
  So
• 3:23
  let's
• 3:24
  talk
• 3:24
  about
• 3:24
  the
• 3:24
  excuses
• 3:25
  that
• 3:25
  people
• 3:25
  make
• 3:26
  to
• 3:26
  not
• 3:26
  home
• 3:26
  educate,
• 3:27
  which
• 3:27
  sounds
• 3:27
  harsh
• 3:28
  and
• 3:28
  I
• 3:28
  don't
• 3:28
  think
• 3:29
  either
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  us
• 3:29
  mean
• 3:29
  it
• 3:29
  in
• 3:29
  a
• 3:29
  harsh
• 3:30
  way,
• 3:30
  but
• 3:30
  it's
• 3:30
  more
• 3:30
  about
• 3:31
  clearing
• 3:31
  the
• 3:32
  obstacles.
• 3:32
  Right,
• 3:32
  so
• 3:32
  what
• 3:33
  do
• 3:33
  you
• 3:33
  think?
• 3:33
  What
• 3:33
  do
• 3:33
  you
• 3:33
  think
• 3:34
  is
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  biggest
• 3:35
  single
• 3:35
  excuse
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  hear
• 3:36
  for.
• 3:37
  For
• 3:37
  reasons
• 3:38
  why
• 3:38
  people
• 3:38
  can't
• 3:38
  home
• 3:39
  educate?
• 3:39
  I
• 3:40
  think
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  obviously
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  title
• 3:41
  is
• 3:41
  very
• 3:41
  spicy
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  we
• 3:42
  talked
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  little
• 3:43
  bit
• 3:43
  about
• 3:43
  this,
• 3:44
  but
• 3:44
  I
• 3:45
  think
• 3:45
  that
• 3:45
  there
• 3:45
  are
• 3:46
  some
• 3:46
  people
• 3:46
  that
• 3:46
  who
• 3:47
  make
• 3:47
  excuses
• 3:48
  for
• 3:48
  something
• 3:48
  that
• 3:49
  they
• 3:49
  maybe
• 3:49
  want
• 3:49
  to
• 3:50
  do
• 3:50
  but
• 3:51
  just
• 3:51
  can't
• 3:52
  bring
• 3:52
  themselves
• 3:53
  to
• 3:53
  take
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  next
• 3:53
  step
• 3:54
  or
• 3:54
  they
• 3:54
  aren't
• 3:55
  willing
• 3:55
  to
• 3:55
  make
• 3:55
  the
• 3:56
  sacrifices
• 3:56
  involved,
• 3:57
  which
• 3:57
  is
• 3:57
  a
• 3:57
  totally
• 3:58
  valid
• 3:58
  choice.
• 3:59
  But
• 3:59
  I
• 3:59
  do
• 3:59
  think
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  needs
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  be
• 4:00
  recognised.
• 4:01
  There
• 4:02
  are
• 4:02
  also
• 4:02
  reasons
• 4:03
  that
• 4:03
  make
• 4:03
  it
• 4:03
  very,
• 4:04
  very
• 4:04
  difficult
• 4:04
  and
• 4:04
  very
• 4:05
  tricky
• 4:05
  for
• 4:05
  people
• 4:05
  to
• 4:06
  home
• 4:06
  educate,
• 4:07
  such
• 4:07
  as
• 4:07
  being
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  single
• 4:08
  parent,
• 4:09
  disabilities.
• 4:10
  But
• 4:10
  what
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  will
• 4:11
  say
• 4:11
  is
• 4:11
  that
• 4:11
  no
• 4:11
  matter
• 4:12
  what
• 4:12
  your
• 4:12
  circumstance,
• 4:13
  there
• 4:14
  are
• 4:14
  families
• 4:15
  home
• 4:15
  educating
• 4:16
  in
• 4:16
  those
• 4:16
  circumstances.
• 4:17
  So,
• 4:18
  you
• 4:18
  know,
• 4:18
  even
• 4:19
  more
• 4:19
  than
• 4:19
  we
• 4:19
  would
• 4:19
  imagine.
• 4:20
  So
• 4:20
  a
• 4:20
  few
• 4:20
  years
• 4:20
  ago
• 4:20
  I
• 4:21
  met
• 4:21
  an
• 4:21
  amazing
• 4:21
  family
• 4:22
  at
• 4:22
  an
• 4:22
  unschooling
• 4:23
  camp
• 4:23
  and
• 4:24
  they
• 4:24
  had
• 4:24
  been
• 4:24
  through
• 4:24
  a
• 4:25
  period
• 4:25
  of
• 4:25
  homelessness
• 4:26
  and
• 4:26
  the
• 4:27
  mum
• 4:27
  had
• 4:27
  also
• 4:27
  had
• 4:28
  a
• 4:28
  cancer
• 4:28
  diagnosis
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  so
• 4:29
  they
• 4:29
  had
• 4:29
  ridden
• 4:30
  this
• 4:30
  awful,
• 4:31
  turbulent
• 4:32
  wave
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  they
• 4:33
  had
• 4:33
  carried
• 4:33
  on
• 4:34
  home
• 4:34
  educating.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:35
  so
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  thought,
• 4:35
  wow,
• 4:36
  you
• 4:36
  know,
• 4:37
  home
• 4:37
  education
• 4:38
  does
• 4:38
  have
• 4:38
  to
• 4:39
  be
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  central
• 4:39
  decision
• 4:40
  for
• 4:40
  your
• 4:40
  family,
• 4:40
  I
• 4:41
  think,
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  you
• 4:41
  do
• 4:41
  need
• 4:42
  to
• 4:42
  decide
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  and
• 4:43
  then
• 4:43
  make
• 4:44
  everything
• 4:44
  else
• 4:44
  work
• 4:45
  around
• 4:45
  it.
• 4:46
  And
• 4:46
  I'm
• 4:46
  not
• 4:46
  saying
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  everyone
• 4:47
  can
• 4:47
  at
• 4:47
  all,
• 4:48
  but
• 4:49
  I
• 4:49
  think
• 4:49
  if
• 4:49
  you,
• 4:49
  if
• 4:49
  you
• 4:50
  start
• 4:50
  with
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  idea
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  maybe
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  can,
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  you're
• 4:52
  a
• 4:53
  single
• 4:53
  parent,
• 4:53
  but
• 4:53
  maybe
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  can
• 4:54
  make
• 4:54
  this
• 4:54
  work.
• 4:55
  Then
• 4:56
  you're
• 4:56
  more
• 4:56
  likely
• 4:56
  to
• 4:57
  find
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  resources,
• 4:58
  the
• 4:58
  help,
• 4:58
  the
• 4:59
  support,
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  community
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  enable
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  do
• 5:01
  so.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:01
  you're
• 5:02
  definitely
• 5:02
  going
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  get
• 5:02
  further
• 5:03
  on
• 5:03
  than
• 5:03
  if
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  think,
• 5:04
  well,
• 5:04
  I'm
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  single
• 5:05
  parent,
• 5:05
  so
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  couldn't
• 5:05
  possibly
• 5:06
  home
• 5:06
  educate.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:07
  I
• 5:07
  completely
• 5:08
  understand
• 5:08
  why
• 5:08
  people
• 5:08
  think
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  they
• 5:10
  can't
• 5:10
  in
• 5:10
  different
• 5:10
  circumstances,
• 5:11
  but
• 5:11
  that's
• 5:12
  mainly
• 5:12
  because
• 5:12
  there's
• 5:13
  so
• 5:13
  much
• 5:13
  misinformation
• 5:14
  about
• 5:14
  home
• 5:14
  education.
• 5:15
  So
• 5:15
  maybe
• 5:16
  people
• 5:16
  think
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  couldn't
• 5:17
  possibly
• 5:18
  home
• 5:18
  educate
• 5:18
  because
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  work
• 5:19
  full
• 5:19
  time,
• 5:20
  or
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  couldn't
• 5:20
  possibly
• 5:20
  home
• 5:21
  educate
• 5:21
  because
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  am
• 5:22
  on
• 5:22
  a
• 5:22
  low
• 5:22
  income
• 5:22
  or
• 5:23
  I'm
• 5:23
  disabled.
• 5:24
  And
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  truth
• 5:25
  is
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  none
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  those
• 5:26
  things
• 5:26
  on
• 5:27
  their
• 5:27
  own
• 5:28
  necessarily
• 5:28
  stop
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  doing
• 5:29
  it.
• 5:30
  It
• 5:30
  makes
• 5:30
  it
• 5:30
  very,
• 5:31
  very
• 5:31
  tricky
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  very
• 5:31
  difficult.
• 5:32
  But
• 5:33
  there
• 5:33
  are
• 5:34
  people
• 5:34
  from
• 5:34
  all
• 5:34
  walks
• 5:35
  of
• 5:35
  life
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  all
• 5:35
  circumstances
• 5:36
  who
• 5:36
  are
• 5:36
  home
• 5:36
  educating.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:37
  so
• 5:38
  my
• 5:38
  encouragement
• 5:38
  would
• 5:38
  be
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  just
• 5:39
  keep
• 5:39
  an
• 5:39
  open
• 5:40
  mind
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  push
• 5:41
  on
• 5:41
  some
• 5:41
  doors
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  try
• 5:42
  and
• 5:43
  find
• 5:43
  other
• 5:43
  people
• 5:43
  who
• 5:43
  are
• 5:43
  in
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  similar
• 5:44
  circumstance
• 5:45
  doing
• 5:45
  it
• 5:45
  and
• 5:46
  see
• 5:46
  how
• 5:46
  they've
• 5:46
  made
• 5:46
  it
• 5:46
  work.
• 5:47
  So
• 5:47
  it's
• 5:48
  about
• 5:48
  shifting
• 5:48
  your
• 5:48
  mindset
• 5:49
  from
• 5:49
  the
• 5:50
  can't
• 5:50
  do
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  maybe
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  can
• 5:52
  do.
• 5:53
  Yeah,
• 5:53
  I
• 5:54
  think
• 5:54
  that's
• 5:54
  always
• 5:54
  a
• 5:55
  good
• 5:55
  way
• 5:55
  to
• 5:55
  approach
• 5:56
  things.
• 5:56
  To
• 5:56
  be
• 5:56
  honest,
• 5:57
  when
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  became
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  single
• 5:58
  parent,
• 5:58
  this
• 5:58
  was
• 5:59
  six
• 5:59
  years
• 5:59
  ago
• 6:00
  now,
• 6:01
  one
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  my
• 6:02
  first
• 6:02
  thoughts
• 6:03
  was,
• 6:03
  there
• 6:03
  is
• 6:03
  no
• 6:04
  way
• 6:04
  my
• 6:04
  kids
• 6:04
  are
• 6:04
  going
• 6:05
  into
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  school
• 6:05
  system.
• 6:06
  How
• 6:06
  on
• 6:06
  earth
• 6:07
  am
• 6:07
  I
• 6:07
  going
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  make
• 6:08
  this
• 6:08
  work?
• 6:08
  And
• 6:08
  I'm
• 6:09
  not
• 6:09
  saying
• 6:09
  that
• 6:09
  that
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  and
• 6:10
  of
• 6:11
  itself
• 6:11
  at
• 6:11
  all
• 6:11
  meant
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  could
• 6:12
  do
• 6:13
  it,
• 6:13
  but
• 6:13
  it
• 6:13
  definitely
• 6:14
  helped
• 6:14
  me
• 6:14
  start
• 6:15
  looking
• 6:15
  at
• 6:15
  options
• 6:16
  that
• 6:16
  would
• 6:16
  enable
• 6:16
  me
• 6:17
  so,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  what
• 6:17
  work
• 6:18
  do
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  need
• 6:18
  to
• 6:18
  pick
• 6:18
  up?
• 6:19
  How
• 6:19
  do
• 6:19
  I
• 6:19
  need
• 6:19
  to
• 6:20
  organize
• 6:20
  my
• 6:20
  life
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  do
• 6:21
  this?
• 6:21
  Am
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  going
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  be
• 6:22
  able
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  send
• 6:23
  them
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  classes
• 6:23
  or
• 6:24
  groups,
• 6:24
  or
• 6:24
  is
• 6:24
  it
• 6:24
  going
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  be
• 6:25
  all
• 6:25
  on
• 6:25
  me?
• 6:25
  And
• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
  just
• 6:26
  shifted
• 6:27
  that,
• 6:28
  that
• 6:28
  attention
• 6:29
  from,
• 6:30
  oh,
• 6:30
  my
• 6:30
  God,
• 6:30
  this
• 6:30
  is
• 6:30
  going
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  be
• 6:31
  awful
• 6:31
  and
• 6:31
  impossible
• 6:32
  to,
• 6:32
  maybe
• 6:33
  there's
• 6:33
  a
• 6:33
  way
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  can
• 6:34
  do
• 6:34
  this.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  so
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  think
• 6:35
  that
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  can't
• 6:36
  just
• 6:36
  think
• 6:37
  your
• 6:37
  way
• 6:37
  through
• 6:37
  things
• 6:37
  and
• 6:38
  magic
• 6:38
  it
• 6:38
  up.
• 6:38
  But
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  think
• 6:39
  that
• 6:39
  if
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  start
• 6:40
  with,
• 6:40
  yeah,
• 6:41
  sure,
• 6:41
  why
• 6:41
  not?
• 6:42
  Let's
• 6:42
  try
• 6:42
  and
• 6:42
  make
• 6:42
  this
• 6:42
  happen,
• 6:43
  it's
• 6:43
  definitely
• 6:43
  going
• 6:43
  to
• 6:43
  get
• 6:43
  you
• 6:44
  further
• 6:44
  than
• 6:44
  thinking
• 6:45
  it
• 6:45
  can't
• 6:45
  happen
• 6:45
  for
• 6:46
  me.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:47
  you
• 6:47
  were
• 6:48
  saying
• 6:48
  there
• 6:48
  as
• 6:48
  well
• 6:49
  about
• 6:49
  maybe
• 6:50
  hooking
• 6:50
  up
• 6:50
  with
• 6:50
  people
• 6:51
  that
• 6:51
  are
• 6:51
  in
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  similar
• 6:52
  circumstance.
• 6:52
  So
• 6:53
  other
• 6:53
  single
• 6:54
  parents
• 6:54
  who
• 6:54
  are
• 6:54
  home
• 6:55
  educating
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  give
• 6:55
  you
• 6:56
  that
• 6:56
  awareness
• 6:56
  that
• 6:57
  actually
• 6:57
  what
• 6:57
  you're
• 6:58
  saying
• 6:58
  to
• 6:58
  yourself
• 6:59
  is,
• 6:59
  More
• 6:59
  of
• 7:00
  an
• 7:00
  excuse
• 7:00
  than
• 7:01
  a
• 7:01
  valid
• 7:01
  reason
• 7:01
  not
• 7:01
  to
• 7:02
  do
• 7:02
  it.
• 7:02
  Yeah,
• 7:03
  I
• 7:03
  think
• 7:03
  that
• 7:03
  there's
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  lot
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  fear
• 7:05
  about
• 7:05
  home
• 7:06
  educating
• 7:07
  anyway,
• 7:07
  even
• 7:08
  if
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  don't
• 7:08
  have
• 7:08
  any
• 7:08
  extenuated
• 7:09
  circumstances.
• 7:10
  But
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  think
• 7:11
  when
• 7:11
  you,
• 7:12
  you
• 7:12
  know,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  can
• 7:12
  only
• 7:12
  speak
• 7:13
  from
• 7:13
  my
• 7:13
  own
• 7:13
  experience
• 7:13
  becoming
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  single
• 7:14
  parent,
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  feels
• 7:15
  utterly
• 7:16
  terrifying
• 7:16
  because
• 7:17
  everything
• 7:17
  is
• 7:18
  on
• 7:18
  you.
• 7:18
  The
• 7:18
  responsibility,
• 7:19
  the
• 7:20
  childcare,
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  house,
• 7:22
  you
• 7:22
  know,
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  financial
• 7:23
  implications
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  home
• 7:24
  education
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  work
• 7:25
  situation
• 7:26
  is
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  completely
• 7:27
  different
• 7:28
  ball
• 7:28
  game
• 7:28
  to
• 7:28
  someone
• 7:29
  who
• 7:29
  is
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  two
• 7:30
  partner
• 7:30
  family
• 7:31
  or,
• 7:31
  or
• 7:31
  two
• 7:32
  incomes.
• 7:32
  It
• 7:33
  is
• 7:33
  a
• 7:33
  completely
• 7:33
  different
• 7:33
  ball
• 7:33
  game.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:35
  talking
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  other
• 7:35
  single
• 7:36
  parents
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  seeing
• 7:37
  how
• 7:37
  they
• 7:37
  did
• 7:37
  it
• 7:37
  definitely
• 7:38
  helped
• 7:38
  me.
• 7:39
  And
• 7:39
  there
• 7:39
  are
• 7:39
  communities
• 7:40
  out
• 7:40
  there,
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  know,
• 7:40
  single
• 7:41
  parent
• 7:41
  home
• 7:41
  ed
• 7:42
  groups.
• 7:43
  And
• 7:43
  so
• 7:44
  you're
• 7:44
  sort
• 7:44
  of
• 7:45
  crowdsourcing
• 7:46
  this
• 7:46
  information
• 7:46
  as
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  all
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  different
• 7:47
  circumstances
• 7:48
  that
• 7:48
  people
• 7:49
  are
• 7:49
  in
• 7:49
  and
• 7:49
  all
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  different
• 7:49
  ways
• 7:50
  that
• 7:50
  they've
• 7:50
  managed
• 7:50
  to
• 7:51
  make
• 7:51
  it
• 7:51
  work.
• 7:52
  And
• 7:52
  it
• 7:52
  might
• 7:53
  be,
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  know,
• 7:53
  if
• 7:53
  you've
• 7:53
  got,
• 7:54
  depending
• 7:55
  on
• 7:55
  your
• 7:55
  custody
• 7:55
  agreement,
• 7:56
  it
• 7:56
  might
• 7:56
  be
• 7:56
  that
• 7:56
  you've
• 7:56
  got
• 7:57
  some
• 7:57
  time
• 7:58
  where
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  kids
• 7:58
  aren't
• 7:58
  with
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  that
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  can
• 7:59
  do
• 7:59
  in
• 8:00
  person
• 8:00
  work.
• 8:00
  It
• 8:00
  might
• 8:01
  be
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  we
• 8:01
  need
• 8:01
  to
• 8:01
  switch
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  evenings
• 8:02
  and
• 8:02
  weekends.
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  do
• 8:03
  a
• 8:04
  lot
• 8:04
  of
• 8:04
  evening
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  weekend
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  early
• 8:05
  morning
• 8:06
  work.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:07
  your
• 8:07
  life
• 8:07
  might
• 8:08
  look
• 8:08
  very
• 8:08
  different
• 8:08
  to
• 8:09
  how
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  imagined
• 8:09
  it
• 8:09
  or
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  how
• 8:11
  you
• 8:11
  ideally
• 8:11
  would
• 8:12
  like
• 8:12
  it
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  be.
• 8:13
  But
• 8:13
  it
• 8:13
  doesn't
• 8:14
  always
• 8:14
  preclude
• 8:15
  home
• 8:15
  education.
• 8:15
  It
• 8:15
  doesn't
• 8:16
  always
• 8:16
  mean
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  can't,
• 8:18
  can't
• 8:18
  do
• 8:18
  it.
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think
• 8:19
  with
• 8:21
  home
• 8:21
  educating
• 8:21
  as
• 8:22
  a
• 8:22
  single
• 8:22
  parent,
• 8:23
  alongside
• 8:24
  what
• 8:24
  you
• 8:25
  touched
• 8:25
  on
• 8:25
  there
• 8:25
  about
• 8:25
  finances.
• 8:26
  So
• 8:27
  home
• 8:27
  educating,
• 8:28
  when
• 8:28
  you
• 8:29
  don't
• 8:29
  have
• 8:29
  dual
• 8:30
  income,
• 8:30
  for
• 8:30
  example,
• 8:31
  or
• 8:31
  perhaps
• 8:31
  it
• 8:32
  don't
• 8:32
  even
• 8:32
  have
• 8:32
  much
• 8:32
  of
• 8:33
  an
• 8:33
  income
• 8:33
  at
• 8:33
  all,
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  think
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  lot
• 8:34
  of
• 8:34
  it
• 8:35
  is
• 8:35
  about
• 8:36
  sacrifice
• 8:36
  it
• 8:37
  as
• 8:37
  you
• 8:37
  mentioned,
• 8:37
  and
• 8:38
  also
• 8:38
  priorities,
• 8:39
  isn't
• 8:39
  it?
• 8:39
  Like
• 8:39
  what
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  choose
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  prioritize
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  what
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  choose
• 8:42
  to
• 8:42
  sacrifice
• 8:43
  as
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  single
• 8:44
  parent,
• 8:44
  what
• 8:44
  do
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  think
• 8:44
  you
• 8:45
  have
• 8:45
  sacrificed
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  most
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  what
• 8:46
  do
• 8:46
  you,
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  obviously
• 8:47
  you
• 8:47
  prioritize.
• 8:48
  Like
• 8:49
  you
• 8:49
  said,
• 8:49
  there's
• 8:49
  no
• 8:49
  way
• 8:50
  your
• 8:50
  children
• 8:50
  are
• 8:50
  going
• 8:50
  into
• 8:51
  school.
• 8:51
  So
• 8:51
  what
• 8:51
  do
• 8:52
  you
• 8:52
  think
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  the,
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  biggest
• 8:54
  sacrifice
• 8:54
  for
• 8:54
  you
• 8:55
  then
• 8:55
  in
• 8:55
  terms
• 8:55
  of
• 8:56
  okay,
• 8:56
  they
• 8:56
  don't
• 8:56
  get
• 8:56
  to
• 8:57
  go
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  school,
• 8:57
  but
• 8:57
  I
• 8:58
  lose
• 8:58
  X.
• 8:59
  So
• 8:59
  I
• 8:59
  think,
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  think
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  should
• 9:01
  preempt
• 9:02
  this
• 9:02
  by
• 9:02
  saying
• 9:02
  I
• 9:03
  am
• 9:03
  in
• 9:03
  a
• 9:03
  very
• 9:03
  privileged
• 9:04
  position
• 9:04
  now.
• 9:05
  Like
• 9:05
  I,
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  know,
• 9:06
  in
• 9:06
  terms
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  sacrifice,
• 9:07
  things
• 9:07
  have
• 9:08
  worked
• 9:08
  out
• 9:08
  really
• 9:08
  well
• 9:09
  for
• 9:09
  my
• 9:09
  family
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  I'm
• 9:09
  incredibly
• 9:10
  grateful
• 9:11
  for
• 9:11
  that.
• 9:11
  And
• 9:11
  there's
• 9:12
  been
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  lot
• 9:12
  of
• 9:12
  luck,
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  lot
• 9:13
  of
• 9:13
  privilege
• 9:13
  that's
• 9:13
  gone
• 9:13
  into
• 9:13
  that,
• 9:15
  but
• 9:15
  it
• 9:15
  wasn't
• 9:15
  always
• 9:16
  like
• 9:16
  that
• 9:16
  and
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  sac
• 9:18
  My
• 9:18
  first
• 9:18
  thought
• 9:19
  when
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  said
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  is
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  sacrificed
• 9:20
  my
• 9:20
  health,
• 9:20
  I
• 9:21
  sacrificed
• 9:21
  my
• 9:21
  physical
• 9:21
  health
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  sacrificed
• 9:22
  my
• 9:23
  own
• 9:23
  mental
• 9:23
  health
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  order
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  make
• 9:24
  sure
• 9:25
  that
• 9:25
  they
• 9:25
  didn't
• 9:25
  go
• 9:25
  into
• 9:25
  school.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  is
• 9:27
  not
• 9:27
  a
• 9:27
  choice
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  would
• 9:28
  necessarily
• 9:29
  recommend
• 9:29
  someone
• 9:30
  does,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:33
  but
• 9:34
  it's
• 9:34
  what
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  chose
• 9:34
  to
• 9:35
  do
• 9:36
  because
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  had
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  grind,
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  had
• 9:37
  to
• 9:37
  make
• 9:38
  it
• 9:38
  work,
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  I.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  had
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  keep
• 9:39
  them
• 9:39
  out
• 9:39
  of
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  school
• 9:40
  system.
• 9:41
  And
• 9:41
  so
• 9:41
  it
• 9:41
  was
• 9:42
  going
• 9:42
  through
• 9:42
  a
• 9:43
  divorce
• 9:45
  during.
• 9:46
  Over
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  pandemic
• 9:47
  time
• 9:47
  as
• 9:47
  well,
• 9:49
  trying
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  figure
• 9:49
  out
• 9:50
  how
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  was
• 9:50
  going
• 9:50
  to,
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  know,
• 9:52
  make
• 9:52
  this
• 9:52
  work
• 9:52
  enough
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  keep
• 9:53
  my
• 9:53
  family
• 9:53
  afloat
• 9:55
  and
• 9:56
  obviously
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  responsibility
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  home
• 9:57
  education
• 9:58
  side
• 9:58
  of
• 9:58
  things
• 9:58
  as
• 9:58
  well,
• 9:59
  which
• 9:59
  people
• 9:59
  kind
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  forget.
• 9:59
  It's
• 10:00
  like
• 10:00
  you're,
• 10:00
  you
• 10:00
  know,
• 10:00
  you're
• 10:01
  actually
• 10:01
  making
• 10:01
  all
• 10:01
  this
• 10:02
  work,
• 10:02
  but
• 10:02
  then
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  have
• 10:02
  to
• 10:03
  decide
• 10:03
  how
• 10:03
  you're
• 10:03
  home
• 10:03
  educating.
• 10:04
  So,
• 10:05
  yeah,
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  ended
• 10:05
  up
• 10:05
  in
• 10:06
  hospital
• 10:07
  with
• 10:07
  extreme
• 10:08
  stomach
• 10:08
  pain,
• 10:09
  not
• 10:10
  being
• 10:10
  able
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  walk.
• 10:10
  At
• 10:11
  some
• 10:11
  points,
• 10:11
  people,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  know,
• 10:12
  doctors
• 10:12
  were
• 10:13
  looking
• 10:13
  at
• 10:13
  endometriosis.
• 10:15
  I
• 10:16
  remember
• 10:16
  calling
• 10:16
  my
• 10:16
  mom
• 10:16
  thinking
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  was
• 10:17
  having
• 10:17
  a
• 10:17
  heart
• 10:17
  attack.
• 10:18
  So
• 10:18
  this
• 10:19
  is
• 10:19
  why
• 10:19
  I
• 10:19
  said,
• 10:19
  I
• 10:19
  don't
• 10:19
  necessarily
• 10:20
  recommend
• 10:20
  this
• 10:20
  for
• 10:21
  people.
• 10:22
  It's
• 10:22
  just
• 10:22
  what
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  chose
• 10:23
  to
• 10:23
  do.
• 10:23
  And
• 10:25
  it
• 10:25
  was
• 10:25
  brutal.
• 10:26
  It
• 10:26
  was
• 10:26
  absolutely
• 10:26
  brutal.
• 10:27
  So
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  did
• 10:27
  sacrifice
• 10:28
  that
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  lot.
• 10:29
  I
• 10:29
  think
• 10:30
  now
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  sacrifice
• 10:32
  my
• 10:32
  social
• 10:33
  life.
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  don't
• 10:35
  have
• 10:35
  much
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  a
• 10:35
  social
• 10:35
  life.
• 10:36
  I'm
• 10:37
  sort
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  lucky
• 10:37
  that
• 10:37
  I
• 10:37
  don't
• 10:38
  particularly
• 10:40
  care
• 10:40
  that
• 10:40
  much,
• 10:41
  but
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  am
• 10:42
  very
• 10:42
  aware
• 10:42
  that
• 10:43
  other
• 10:43
  people
• 10:43
  do
• 10:43
  things
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  don't
• 10:44
  do.
• 10:44
  I
• 10:45
  don't
• 10:45
  have.
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  don't
• 10:45
  watch
• 10:46
  daytime
• 10:46
  tv.
• 10:46
  I
• 10:47
  don't
• 10:47
  watch
• 10:47
  normal
• 10:48
  tv.
• 10:48
  You
• 10:48
  know,
• 10:48
  people
• 10:49
  having
• 10:49
  a
• 10:49
  conversation
• 10:49
  about
• 10:49
  Bake
• 10:50
  Off,
• 10:50
  I've
• 10:50
  got
• 10:50
  no
• 10:50
  idea
• 10:50
  what
• 10:50
  they're
• 10:51
  talking
• 10:51
  about.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:53
  as
• 10:53
  I've
• 10:53
  said
• 10:53
  before,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:54
  know,
• 10:54
  I'm
• 10:54
  very
• 10:54
  lucky.
• 10:54
  There
• 10:55
  are
• 10:55
  other
• 10:55
  things
• 10:55
  that
• 10:55
  we
• 10:55
  get
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  do.
• 10:56
  We
• 10:56
  get
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  travel
• 10:56
  and
• 10:57
  we
• 10:57
  get
• 10:57
  to,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  know,
• 10:59
  we've
• 10:59
  moved
• 10:59
  out
• 10:59
  to
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  countryside
• 11:00
  now,
• 11:00
  which
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  amazing.
• 11:01
  There's
• 11:01
  other
• 11:01
  things.
• 11:01
  But,
• 11:02
  yeah,
• 11:03
  health
• 11:03
  was
• 11:03
  a
• 11:04
  big
• 11:04
  one
• 11:04
  or
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  huge
• 11:05
  one.
• 11:06
  That's
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  really
• 11:07
  big
• 11:07
  sacrifice
• 11:07
  to
• 11:08
  make.
• 11:08
  I'm
• 11:08
  sure
• 11:08
  people
• 11:08
  listening
• 11:09
  might
• 11:09
  think
• 11:10
  that's
• 11:10
  not
• 11:11
  a
• 11:11
  sacrifice
• 11:11
  they're
• 11:11
  prepared
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  make,
• 11:12
  which
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  guess
• 11:13
  for
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  would
• 11:13
  indicate
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  maybe
• 11:14
  the
• 11:15
  payoff
• 11:15
  isn't
• 11:16
  enough
• 11:16
  of
• 11:16
  a
• 11:16
  motivation
• 11:17
  for
• 11:17
  them.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  I
• 11:18
  would
• 11:18
  say
• 11:19
  that's
• 11:19
  totally
• 11:19
  valid,
• 11:20
  you
• 11:20
  know,
• 11:20
  and
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  think
• 11:21
  it
• 11:21
  also
• 11:21
  depends
• 11:22
  on.
• 11:22
  I
• 11:23
  think
• 11:23
  it
• 11:23
  depends
• 11:23
  on
• 11:23
  your
• 11:24
  child.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:24
  so
• 11:24
  this
• 11:24
  is
• 11:25
  where,
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  know,
• 11:26
  we
• 11:26
  talk
• 11:26
  about
• 11:26
  privilege,
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  I
• 11:27
  think
• 11:27
  it's
• 11:27
  always
• 11:28
  more
• 11:28
  nuanced
• 11:28
  than
• 11:29
  we
• 11:29
  make
• 11:29
  it
• 11:29
  out.
• 11:30
  You
• 11:30
  know,
• 11:30
  if
• 11:30
  you've
• 11:30
  Got
• 11:30
  a
• 11:31
  neurotypical
• 11:31
  child
• 11:32
  who
• 11:32
  is
• 11:32
  not
• 11:32
  actively
• 11:33
  suffering
• 11:34
  in
• 11:34
  mainstream
• 11:35
  school.
• 11:35
  Great.
• 11:36
  Do
• 11:36
  not
• 11:36
  sacrifice
• 11:37
  your
• 11:37
  health,
• 11:37
  don't
• 11:37
  sacrifice
• 11:38
  your
• 11:38
  physical
• 11:38
  health,
• 11:38
  don't
• 11:39
  sacrifice
• 11:39
  your
• 11:39
  mental
• 11:40
  health
• 11:40
  or
• 11:40
  an
• 11:40
  income.
• 11:41
  Maybe
• 11:41
  that
• 11:41
  is
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  happiest
• 11:43
  overall
• 11:43
  that
• 11:44
  your
• 11:44
  family
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  going
• 11:44
  to
• 11:44
  be
• 11:44
  with
• 11:44
  your
• 11:45
  child
• 11:45
  in
• 11:45
  school.
• 11:45
  And
• 11:45
  that's
• 11:46
  great.
• 11:47
  My
• 11:48
  children,
• 11:49
  at
• 11:49
  least
• 11:49
  one
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  my
• 11:49
  children
• 11:50
  would
• 11:50
  not
• 11:50
  survive
• 11:51
  in
• 11:51
  school.
• 11:53
  So
• 11:53
  that's
• 11:53
  not
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  choice
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  can
• 11:55
  really
• 11:55
  make
• 11:55
  in
• 11:55
  good
• 11:56
  conscience.
• 11:56
  And
• 11:56
  so
• 11:56
  if
• 11:56
  it's
• 11:57
  going
• 11:57
  to
• 11:57
  be
• 11:57
  their
• 11:57
  health
• 11:57
  or
• 11:57
  mine,
• 11:58
  it's
• 11:58
  always
• 11:58
  going
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  be
• 11:59
  mine
• 11:59
  that
• 11:59
  gets
• 11:59
  sacrificed.
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  think
• 12:01
  for
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  lot
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  parents
• 12:02
  it
• 12:02
  does
• 12:02
  come
• 12:02
  down
• 12:02
  to
• 12:03
  that.
• 12:03
  And
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  reason
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  I
• 12:04
  think
• 12:04
  it's
• 12:04
  important
• 12:05
  we
• 12:05
  have
• 12:05
  these
• 12:05
  conversations
• 12:06
  about,
• 12:06
  you
• 12:06
  know,
• 12:07
  is
• 12:07
  it
• 12:07
  a
• 12:07
  reason
• 12:07
  or
• 12:07
  is
• 12:08
  it
• 12:08
  an
• 12:08
  excuse
• 12:09
  is
• 12:09
  because
• 12:09
  there
• 12:10
  are
• 12:10
  people
• 12:10
  who
• 12:10
  are
• 12:10
  in
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  situation
• 12:11
  where
• 12:11
  they
• 12:12
  cannot
• 12:12
  send
• 12:12
  their
• 12:13
  child
• 12:13
  to
• 12:13
  school
• 12:14
  because
• 12:14
  it's
• 12:15
  going
• 12:15
  to
• 12:15
  be
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  last
• 12:15
  time
• 12:16
  they
• 12:16
  go
• 12:16
  in.
• 12:16
  You
• 12:16
  know,
• 12:16
  I
• 12:17
  get
• 12:17
  messages
• 12:17
  like
• 12:17
  this
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  my
• 12:18
  child
• 12:18
  has
• 12:18
  said
• 12:19
  they
• 12:19
  want
• 12:19
  to,
• 12:19
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:20
  to
• 12:20
  end
• 12:20
  their
• 12:20
  life.
• 12:20
  And
• 12:21
  that
• 12:21
  is
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  very
• 12:21
  real
• 12:21
  situation
• 12:22
  for
• 12:22
  a
• 12:22
  lot
• 12:22
  of
• 12:22
  people.
• 12:23
  And
• 12:24
  so
• 12:24
  we
• 12:24
  need
• 12:24
  to
• 12:24
  look
• 12:25
  at,
• 12:25
  right,
• 12:25
  how
• 12:25
  on
• 12:26
  earth
• 12:26
  are
• 12:27
  we
• 12:27
  going
• 12:27
  to
• 12:27
  make
• 12:27
  this
• 12:27
  work
• 12:28
  in
• 12:28
  these
• 12:28
  really
• 12:28
  difficult
• 12:29
  circumstances.
• 12:30
  This
• 12:30
  is
• 12:30
  not
• 12:31
  about
• 12:31
  being
• 12:31
  able
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  swan
• 12:32
  around,
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  know,
• 12:33
  having,
• 12:34
  having
• 12:34
  a
• 12:34
  dolly
• 12:35
  because
• 12:35
  we
• 12:35
  feel
• 12:36
  like
• 12:36
  homeschooling
• 12:36
  is
• 12:37
  cute
• 12:37
  and
• 12:37
  we're
• 12:37
  out
• 12:37
  in
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  forest,
• 12:38
  I
• 12:38
  don't
• 12:38
  know,
• 12:38
  doing
• 12:38
  all
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  hippie
• 12:39
  dippy
• 12:39
  stuff.
• 12:39
  It's
• 12:40
  not
• 12:40
  about
• 12:40
  that.
• 12:40
  It's
• 12:40
  about
• 12:40
  we
• 12:41
  need
• 12:41
  to
• 12:41
  look
• 12:41
  at
• 12:41
  how
• 12:42
  we
• 12:42
  get
• 12:43
  around
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  obstacles
• 12:44
  and
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  systems
• 12:45
  to
• 12:46
  make
• 12:46
  it
• 12:46
  possible
• 12:47
  to
• 12:47
  survive
• 12:48
  while
• 12:48
  home
• 12:48
  educating.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:49
  it's
• 12:49
  particularly
• 12:50
  in
• 12:50
  my
• 12:50
  mind
• 12:50
  for
• 12:51
  those
• 12:51
  children
• 12:51
  who
• 12:52
  are
• 12:52
  not
• 12:52
  surviving
• 12:53
  in.
• 12:53
  The
• 12:53
  system,
• 12:54
  what
• 12:54
  about
• 12:54
  those
• 12:55
  people
• 12:55
  that
• 12:55
  would
• 12:56
  turn
• 12:56
  around
• 12:56
  and
• 12:56
  say,
• 12:57
  well,
• 12:57
  I'd
• 12:58
  love
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  home
• 12:58
  educate.
• 12:59
  It
• 12:59
  sounds
• 12:59
  a
• 13:00
  lovely
• 13:00
  idea,
• 13:00
  but
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  can't
• 13:02
  afford
• 13:02
  it
• 13:02
  right
• 13:02
  now,
• 13:02
  so
• 13:03
  I'm
• 13:03
  going
• 13:03
  to
• 13:03
  wait
• 13:03
  and
• 13:04
  see
• 13:04
  how
• 13:05
  things
• 13:05
  are
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  a
• 13:05
  year
• 13:06
  or
• 13:06
  two
• 13:06
  years,
• 13:06
  something
• 13:07
  like
• 13:07
  that.
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  mean,
• 13:08
  does
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  feel
• 13:08
  like
• 13:09
  it's,
• 13:09
  it
• 13:09
  rings
• 13:10
  true
• 13:10
  as
• 13:10
  a
• 13:11
  valid
• 13:11
  reason
• 13:11
  or,
• 13:12
  or
• 13:12
  do
• 13:12
  you
• 13:12
  think
• 13:12
  that
• 13:13
  verges
• 13:13
  towards
• 13:13
  being
• 13:14
  an
• 13:14
  excuse?
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  think
• 13:15
  it
• 13:15
  massively
• 13:16
  depends.
• 13:16
  I
• 13:16
  think
• 13:17
  there
• 13:17
  are
• 13:17
  some
• 13:17
  families,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:18
  if
• 13:18
  you're,
• 13:18
  if
• 13:19
  you're
• 13:19
  a
• 13:20
  middle
• 13:20
  class
• 13:20
  family,
• 13:21
  let's
• 13:21
  say
• 13:21
  you're
• 13:21
  two
• 13:21
  income
• 13:22
  family,
• 13:22
  got
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  nice
• 13:23
  car,
• 13:23
  having
• 13:23
  holidays.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  know
• 13:24
  that
• 13:25
  that's
• 13:25
  not
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  situation
• 13:25
  for
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  lot
• 13:26
  of
• 13:26
  people,
• 13:26
  but
• 13:26
  it
• 13:26
  is
• 13:27
  for
• 13:27
  also
• 13:27
  for
• 13:27
  a
• 13:28
  lot
• 13:28
  of
• 13:28
  people,
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  situation,
• 13:29
  then
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  would
• 13:29
  say,
• 13:30
  well,
• 13:30
  that's
• 13:30
  down
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  your
• 13:30
  priority.
• 13:31
  Now
• 13:31
  if
• 13:31
  you
• 13:31
  gave
• 13:32
  up
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  holiday
• 13:32
  in
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  car
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  second
• 13:33
  income
• 13:34
  and
• 13:34
  maybe
• 13:34
  some
• 13:34
  luxuries,
• 13:35
  then
• 13:35
  home
• 13:35
  education
• 13:36
  is
• 13:36
  possible.
• 13:36
  And
• 13:37
  I
• 13:37
  would
• 13:37
  also
• 13:37
  look
• 13:38
  at
• 13:38
  how
• 13:38
  they're
• 13:38
  phrasing
• 13:39
  it,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  know,
• 13:39
  if
• 13:39
  it's
• 13:39
  a
• 13:39
  lovely
• 13:40
  idea.
• 13:40
  These
• 13:41
  are
• 13:41
  not
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  people
• 13:41
  who
• 13:42
  are
• 13:42
  desperately
• 13:43
  needing
• 13:43
  to
• 13:43
  remove
• 13:44
  their
• 13:44
  children
• 13:44
  for
• 13:44
  survival
• 13:45
  reasons.
• 13:45
  These
• 13:46
  are,
• 13:46
  these
• 13:46
  are
• 13:46
  people
• 13:46
  who
• 13:47
  are
• 13:47
  doing
• 13:47
  it
• 13:47
  for
• 13:47
  lifestyle
• 13:48
  reasons.
• 13:48
  And
• 13:48
  so
• 13:49
  I
• 13:49
  think
• 13:49
  we
• 13:50
  need
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  accept
• 13:51
  and
• 13:52
  be
• 13:52
  comfortable
• 13:52
  with
• 13:52
  the
• 13:53
  fact
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  we
• 13:53
  do
• 13:53
  make
• 13:53
  decisions
• 13:54
  based
• 13:54
  on
• 13:54
  our
• 13:54
  priorities
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  that's
• 13:55
  absolutely
• 13:56
  fine.
• 13:56
  And
• 13:56
  then
• 13:56
  for
• 13:57
  other
• 13:57
  people,
• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
  know,
• 13:57
  and
• 13:57
  then
• 13:58
  for
• 13:58
  other
• 13:58
  people
• 13:58
  it's
• 13:58
  going
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  be
• 13:59
  they
• 13:59
  are
• 13:59
  surviving
• 14:00
  as
• 14:00
  it
• 14:00
  is
• 14:00
  and
• 14:01
  they
• 14:01
  just
• 14:01
  don't
• 14:01
  know
• 14:01
  how
• 14:02
  they're
• 14:02
  going
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  go
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  work.
• 14:03
  Maybe
• 14:03
  they
• 14:03
  have
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  child
• 14:04
  who
• 14:04
  can't
• 14:05
  be
• 14:05
  left
• 14:05
  alone
• 14:06
  because
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  disabilities
• 14:07
  or
• 14:07
  other
• 14:07
  reasons
• 14:08
  and
• 14:08
  they
• 14:08
  have
• 14:08
  an
• 14:09
  in
• 14:09
  person
• 14:09
  job.
• 14:10
  They
• 14:10
  have
• 14:10
  no
• 14:10
  idea
• 14:11
  about
• 14:11
  working
• 14:11
  online
• 14:12
  and
• 14:12
  they
• 14:13
  couldn't
• 14:13
  leave
• 14:13
  them
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  it
• 14:13
  just
• 14:14
  seems
• 14:14
  impossible.
• 14:14
  And
• 14:15
  so
• 14:15
  for
• 14:15
  them,
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  would
• 14:15
  say,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  know,
• 14:16
  that's
• 14:16
  not
• 14:16
  an
• 14:17
  excuse.
• 14:17
  That
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  very
• 14:17
  real
• 14:18
  life
• 14:18
  situation.
• 14:19
  I
• 14:20
  would
• 14:20
  really
• 14:20
  like
• 14:20
  to
• 14:20
  see,
• 14:21
  and
• 14:21
  this
• 14:21
  is
• 14:21
  why
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  talk
• 14:21
  about
• 14:22
  the
• 14:22
  school
• 14:23
  system
• 14:23
  and
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  downsides
• 14:24
  as
• 14:24
  well
• 14:24
  as
• 14:24
  home
• 14:25
  education.
• 14:25
  I'd
• 14:25
  love
• 14:26
  to
• 14:26
  see
• 14:26
  more
• 14:26
  support
• 14:26
  and
• 14:27
  more
• 14:27
  funding
• 14:28
  for
• 14:28
  these
• 14:28
  families
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  access
• 14:29
  alternative
• 14:30
  education.
• 14:31
  Unfortunately,
• 14:33
  it's
• 14:33
  almost
• 14:34
  like,
• 14:34
  well,
• 14:34
  we've
• 14:34
  given
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  school
• 14:35
  so
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  use
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  or
• 14:36
  lose
• 14:36
  it.
• 14:36
  You
• 14:36
  know,
• 14:37
  this
• 14:37
  is,
• 14:37
  we've
• 14:37
  got
• 14:37
  an
• 14:38
  education
• 14:38
  option
• 14:38
  for
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  and
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  system
• 14:40
  doesn't
• 14:40
  recognize
• 14:41
  that
• 14:41
  for
• 14:41
  a
• 14:41
  lot
• 14:41
  of
• 14:42
  children
• 14:42
  it's
• 14:42
  almost
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  fake
• 14:43
  option.
• 14:44
  It's
• 14:44
  like
• 14:44
  saying
• 14:45
  we've
• 14:45
  given
• 14:45
  the
• 14:46
  same
• 14:46
  meal
• 14:46
  to
• 14:46
  everyone
• 14:46
  and
• 14:47
  you
• 14:47
  don't
• 14:47
  want
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  eat
• 14:47
  it.
• 14:47
  Well,
• 14:48
  if
• 14:48
  you're
• 14:48
  allergic,
• 14:49
  you
• 14:49
  know,
• 14:49
  definitely
• 14:49
  allergic
• 14:50
  to
• 14:50
  what's
• 14:50
  on
• 14:50
  the
• 14:50
  plate.
• 14:51
  That's
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  fake,
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  fake
• 14:52
  offer,
• 14:52
  isn't
• 14:53
  it?
• 14:53
  So,
• 14:54
  yeah,
• 14:54
  I
• 14:54
  think,
• 14:54
  I
• 14:55
  think
• 14:55
  it
• 14:55
  definitely
• 14:55
  depends.
• 14:56
  For
• 14:56
  those
• 14:57
  people
• 14:57
  in
• 14:58
  that
• 14:58
  scenario
• 14:58
  that
• 14:58
  you
• 14:59
  paint
• 14:59
  there
• 14:59
  where
• 15:00
  they
• 15:00
  have
• 15:01
  an
• 15:01
  in
• 15:01
  person
• 15:01
  job,
• 15:02
  they
• 15:02
  desperately
• 15:03
  don't
• 15:03
  want
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  put
• 15:03
  their
• 15:03
  child
• 15:03
  into
• 15:04
  school,
• 15:04
  but
• 15:04
  they
• 15:04
  really
• 15:05
  don't
• 15:05
  know
• 15:05
  what
• 15:05
  else
• 15:05
  they
• 15:06
  could
• 15:06
  do.
• 15:07
  What
• 15:07
  is
• 15:07
  your
• 15:07
  advice
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  them?
• 15:09
  Oh
• 15:09
  my
• 15:09
  gosh.
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  think
• 15:12
  that
• 15:13
  there
• 15:14
  is
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  lot
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  mind
• 15:14
  games
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  have
• 15:16
  to
• 15:16
  play
• 15:16
  as
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  parent
• 15:16
  just
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  get
• 15:17
  through
• 15:18
  parenting.
• 15:18
  I
• 15:19
  think
• 15:19
  that
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  can
• 15:20
  only
• 15:20
  do
• 15:20
  what
• 15:21
  you
• 15:21
  can
• 15:21
  do
• 15:22
  and
• 15:23
  being
• 15:24
  the
• 15:24
  solid,
• 15:25
  loving,
• 15:26
  kind,
• 15:26
  stable
• 15:27
  presence
• 15:27
  for
• 15:28
  your
• 15:28
  child
• 15:28
  is
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  best
• 15:29
  thing
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  can
• 15:29
  do
• 15:29
  as
• 15:30
  a
• 15:30
  parent.
• 15:31
  If
• 15:31
  you
• 15:31
  have
• 15:31
  a
• 15:31
  child
• 15:31
  who
• 15:31
  you're
• 15:32
  sending
• 15:32
  into
• 15:32
  school
• 15:32
  because
• 15:33
  you
• 15:33
  have
• 15:33
  to
• 15:33
  practically
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  the
• 15:35
  child
• 15:35
  is
• 15:36
  not
• 15:36
  enjoying
• 15:36
  it
• 15:36
  and
• 15:36
  is
• 15:36
  really
• 15:37
  struggling,
• 15:37
  I
• 15:37
  think
• 15:38
  that
• 15:38
  rather
• 15:38
  than
• 15:38
  smoothing
• 15:39
  it
• 15:39
  over
• 15:40
  or
• 15:41
  trying
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  look
• 15:41
  at
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  best
• 15:42
  bits
• 15:43
  or
• 15:43
  anything,
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  Think
• 15:43
  just
• 15:44
  validating
• 15:44
  their
• 15:44
  feelings
• 15:45
  and
• 15:46
  you
• 15:46
  know,
• 15:46
  saying,
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  know
• 15:47
  this
• 15:47
  is
• 15:47
  really
• 15:48
  hard
• 15:48
  for
• 15:48
  you
• 15:48
  and
• 15:48
  I'm
• 15:49
  sorry
• 15:49
  and
• 15:49
  I
• 15:49
  wish
• 15:49
  there
• 15:49
  was
• 15:50
  something
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  could
• 15:50
  do
• 15:50
  about
• 15:50
  it.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  I'm
• 15:52
  trying.
• 15:52
  I
• 15:53
  think
• 15:53
  that
• 15:54
  goes
• 15:54
  a
• 15:54
  lot
• 15:55
  more,
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  know,
• 15:55
  a
• 15:56
  lot
• 15:56
  further
• 15:56
  and
• 15:56
  does
• 15:56
  a
• 15:57
  lot
• 15:57
  more
• 15:57
  than
• 15:58
  pretending
• 15:58
  it's
• 15:59
  okay
• 15:59
  when
• 15:59
  the
• 16:00
  child's
• 16:00
  so
• 16:00
  deeply
• 16:01
  not
• 16:01
  okay
• 16:02
  is
• 16:02
  more
• 16:02
  of
• 16:03
  this
• 16:03
  we're
• 16:03
  in
• 16:03
  it
• 16:03
  together
• 16:04
  kind
• 16:04
  of
• 16:04
  mentality
• 16:04
  that
• 16:05
  I
• 16:05
  think
• 16:05
  is
• 16:05
  a
• 16:05
  lot
• 16:05
  better
• 16:06
  for
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  child
• 16:06
  because
• 16:07
  they
• 16:07
  feel
• 16:07
  understood
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  empathize
• 16:09
  with
• 16:09
  rather
• 16:09
  than,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:10
  know,
• 16:11
  I
• 16:12
  gaslighted
• 16:12
  essentially,
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  child's
• 16:14
  going
• 16:14
  in
• 16:14
  and
• 16:14
  the
• 16:15
  parents
• 16:15
  like,
• 16:15
  oh,
• 16:15
  it's
• 16:16
  not
• 16:16
  too
• 16:16
  bad.
• 16:16
  And
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  child
• 16:16
  is
• 16:17
  thinking
• 16:17
  it
• 16:17
  is
• 16:17
  bad.
• 16:18
  So
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  think
• 16:19
  that
• 16:19
  that
• 16:20
  would
• 16:20
  be
• 16:20
  my
• 16:20
  advice
• 16:20
  and
• 16:21
  practically,
• 16:21
  I
• 16:22
  think,
• 16:23
  I
• 16:24
  mean,
• 16:24
  it
• 16:24
  massively
• 16:25
  depends
• 16:25
  on
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  situation.
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  would
• 16:26
  definitely
• 16:26
  start
• 16:27
  looking
• 16:27
  at
• 16:28
  flexible
• 16:28
  working
• 16:30
  in
• 16:30
  person
• 16:31
  options.
• 16:31
  Obviously,
• 16:32
  you
• 16:32
  know,
• 16:32
  you've
• 16:32
  got
• 16:32
  cleaning,
• 16:33
  dog
• 16:33
  walking,
• 16:35
  child
• 16:35
  minding.
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  know
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  there
• 16:36
  are
• 16:36
  different
• 16:37
  access
• 16:37
  barriers
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  these,
• 16:38
  but
• 16:38
  I
• 16:39
  would
• 16:39
  start
• 16:39
  looking
• 16:39
  at
• 16:39
  that.
• 16:39
  Online
• 16:40
  work.
• 16:40
  If
• 16:40
  you
• 16:41
  can
• 16:41
  get
• 16:41
  a
• 16:41
  regular
• 16:42
  steady
• 16:43
  online
• 16:43
  admin
• 16:44
  or
• 16:44
  transcription
• 16:45
  job,
• 16:45
  there
• 16:46
  are
• 16:46
  fairly
• 16:47
  entry
• 16:48
  level
• 16:48
  jobs
• 16:48
  that
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  can
• 16:49
  get
• 16:49
  online.
• 16:50
  You
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:50
  we
• 16:50
  live
• 16:50
  in
• 16:51
  a
• 16:51
  world
• 16:51
  where
• 16:51
  there's
• 16:51
  never
• 16:51
  been
• 16:52
  more
• 16:52
  opportunity
• 16:52
  for
• 16:53
  online
• 16:53
  work.
• 16:54
  But
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  also
• 16:54
  understand
• 16:55
  that,
• 16:55
  you
• 16:55
  know,
• 16:55
  social
• 16:56
  media
• 16:56
  isn't,
• 16:56
  definitely
• 16:56
  isn't
• 16:57
  for
• 16:57
  everyone.
• 16:58
  And
• 16:58
  so
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  guess
• 16:58
  I'm
• 16:59
  more
• 16:59
  cautious
• 16:59
  now
• 16:59
  about
• 17:00
  recommending
• 17:01
  any
• 17:01
  particular
• 17:02
  job
• 17:02
  for
• 17:02
  people
• 17:02
  because
• 17:03
  there
• 17:03
  are
• 17:03
  lots
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  different
• 17:04
  situations.
• 17:05
  I
• 17:05
  feel
• 17:06
  like
• 17:06
  as,
• 17:06
  as
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  were
• 17:06
  talking,
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  was
• 17:07
  thinking
• 17:07
  maybe
• 17:08
  they've
• 17:08
  got
• 17:08
  family
• 17:08
  or
• 17:09
  friends
• 17:09
  who
• 17:09
  could
• 17:10
  help
• 17:10
  out.
• 17:11
  And
• 17:11
  it
• 17:11
  got
• 17:11
  me
• 17:11
  thinking
• 17:12
  about
• 17:12
  another
• 17:12
  excuse
• 17:13
  that
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  hear,
• 17:14
  which
• 17:14
  is.
• 17:14
  Or
• 17:14
  another
• 17:15
  reason
• 17:15
  why
• 17:15
  people
• 17:15
  don't
• 17:15
  home
• 17:15
  educate,
• 17:16
  which
• 17:16
  is
• 17:16
  that
• 17:16
  either
• 17:17
  their
• 17:17
  spouse
• 17:17
  is
• 17:18
  dead
• 17:18
  against
• 17:18
  it
• 17:18
  or
• 17:19
  their
• 17:19
  family
• 17:19
  is
• 17:19
  dead
• 17:20
  against
• 17:20
  it.
• 17:20
  What
• 17:20
  about
• 17:21
  that?
• 17:21
  How
• 17:21
  does
• 17:22
  that
• 17:22
  sit
• 17:22
  with
• 17:22
  you?
• 17:22
  I've
• 17:23
  got
• 17:23
  a
• 17:23
  lot
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  say
• 17:23
  about
• 17:24
  that.
• 17:25
  It
• 17:25
  doesn't
• 17:26
  sit
• 17:26
  well
• 17:26
  with
• 17:26
  me
• 17:27
  at
• 17:27
  all.
• 17:27
  As
• 17:27
  you
• 17:27
  can
• 17:28
  probably
• 17:28
  imagine.
• 17:30
  I'm
• 17:30
  fortunate
• 17:30
  that
• 17:30
  the
• 17:31
  girl's
• 17:31
  dad
• 17:31
  and
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  agreed
• 17:32
  on
• 17:32
  home
• 17:32
  education
• 17:33
  from
• 17:33
  day
• 17:33
  one.
• 17:34
  But
• 17:34
  I
• 17:35
  will
• 17:35
  also
• 17:35
  say
• 17:35
  that
• 17:35
  I
• 17:36
  have
• 17:36
  been
• 17:37
  the
• 17:37
  home
• 17:37
  educator
• 17:38
  and
• 17:38
  I
• 17:39
  still
• 17:39
  am
• 17:39
  the
• 17:40
  home
• 17:40
  educator.
• 17:40
  I'm
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  one
• 17:41
  that
• 17:41
  puts
• 17:41
  all
• 17:41
  this
• 17:42
  into
• 17:42
  motion
• 17:42
  and
• 17:43
  facilitates
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  whole
• 17:44
  thing.
• 17:44
  So,
• 17:45
  you
• 17:45
  know,
• 17:45
  there's
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  payoff
• 17:46
  there.
• 17:46
  But
• 17:46
  I
• 17:47
  am
• 17:47
  grateful
• 17:47
  that
• 17:47
  I
• 17:47
  haven't
• 17:48
  had
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  fight
• 17:48
  him
• 17:48
  on
• 17:49
  it.
• 17:49
  If
• 17:49
  your
• 17:50
  partner
• 17:51
  is.
• 17:52
  This
• 17:52
  is
• 17:52
  probably
• 17:52
  more
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  a
• 17:53
  relationship
• 17:53
  thing
• 17:53
  than
• 17:53
  a
• 17:54
  home
• 17:54
  education
• 17:54
  issue,
• 17:54
  but
• 17:55
  if
• 17:55
  your
• 17:55
  partner
• 17:55
  is
• 17:55
  putting
• 17:56
  their
• 17:56
  foot
• 17:56
  down
• 17:56
  and
• 17:56
  saying,
• 17:57
  no,
• 17:58
  you
• 17:58
  cannot
• 17:58
  home
• 17:58
  educate,
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  would
• 18:00
  just
• 18:00
  advise
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  person,
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  partner
• 18:02
  to
• 18:03
  have
• 18:03
  a
• 18:03
  Think
• 18:03
  about
• 18:04
  what
• 18:04
  would
• 18:04
  happen
• 18:04
  if
• 18:04
  they
• 18:05
  did
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  same
• 18:05
  thing.
• 18:06
  Is
• 18:07
  it
• 18:07
  fair
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  this
• 18:08
  relationship?
• 18:09
  Are
• 18:09
  you
• 18:09
  able
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  say,
• 18:10
  well,
• 18:10
  I'm
• 18:10
  putting
• 18:10
  my
• 18:10
  foot
• 18:10
  down
• 18:11
  and
• 18:11
  I'm
• 18:11
  home
• 18:11
  educating,
• 18:12
  and
• 18:12
  if
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  can't
• 18:13
  do
• 18:13
  that,
• 18:14
  and
• 18:14
  if
• 18:14
  you're
• 18:14
  worried
• 18:14
  about
• 18:14
  the
• 18:15
  reaction
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  partner,
• 18:16
  then
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  would
• 18:16
  be
• 18:17
  very.
• 18:19
  I'd
• 18:19
  be
• 18:20
  having
• 18:20
  a
• 18:20
  good
• 18:20
  think
• 18:20
  about
• 18:20
  that.
• 18:22
  Because
• 18:23
  generally
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  parent,
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  this
• 18:25
  is
• 18:25
  not
• 18:26
  a
• 18:26
  gender
• 18:27
  thing
• 18:27
  at
• 18:27
  all,
• 18:28
  generally
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  parent
• 18:28
  that
• 18:28
  wants
• 18:29
  to
• 18:29
  home
• 18:29
  educate
• 18:29
  has
• 18:30
  actively
• 18:30
  researched
• 18:31
  home
• 18:31
  education
• 18:32
  and
• 18:32
  have
• 18:33
  really
• 18:33
  good
• 18:33
  reasons,
• 18:34
  you
• 18:35
  know,
• 18:35
  data
• 18:36
  to
• 18:36
  back
• 18:36
  up
• 18:36
  what
• 18:37
  they're
• 18:37
  saying.
• 18:37
  And
• 18:37
  they
• 18:37
  also
• 18:38
  generally
• 18:38
  are
• 18:38
  the
• 18:39
  parent
• 18:39
  that
• 18:39
  is
• 18:39
  more
• 18:39
  involved,
• 18:40
  the
• 18:40
  primary
• 18:40
  parent,
• 18:41
  and
• 18:41
  they
• 18:41
  know
• 18:41
  the
• 18:41
  child
• 18:41
  best.
• 18:43
  That's
• 18:43
  an
• 18:43
  unpopular
• 18:44
  thing
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  say,
• 18:44
  but
• 18:45
  I
• 18:45
  just
• 18:45
  believe
• 18:46
  that
• 18:46
  there
• 18:46
  is
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  primary
• 18:46
  parent
• 18:47
  and
• 18:47
  there
• 18:47
  is
• 18:47
  going
• 18:48
  to
• 18:48
  be
• 18:48
  one
• 18:48
  that
• 18:48
  knows
• 18:48
  the
• 18:48
  child
• 18:48
  best.
• 18:49
  So
• 18:50
  if
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  partner
• 18:51
  who
• 18:51
  wants
• 18:52
  to
• 18:52
  send
• 18:53
  them
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  school
• 18:54
  has
• 18:54
  not
• 18:54
  done
• 18:54
  equal
• 18:55
  research
• 18:55
  and
• 18:56
  put
• 18:56
  equal
• 18:56
  effort
• 18:57
  into
• 18:57
  researching
• 18:58
  their
• 18:59
  preference,
• 19:00
  why
• 19:00
  not?
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  why
• 19:01
  is
• 19:01
  it
• 19:01
  okay
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  say
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:03
  putting
• 19:03
  my
• 19:03
  foot
• 19:04
  down?
• 19:04
  No.
• 19:05
  When
• 19:05
  they
• 19:05
  haven't
• 19:06
  put
• 19:06
  equal
• 19:06
  effort
• 19:06
  in?
• 19:06
  So
• 19:07
  what
• 19:07
  I
• 19:07
  would
• 19:07
  always
• 19:07
  advise,
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  know,
• 19:08
  at
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  beginning,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  both
• 19:09
  go
• 19:10
  away,
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  both
• 19:10
  research
• 19:11
  your
• 19:11
  preferences
• 19:12
  and
• 19:13
  it
• 19:13
  can't
• 19:13
  be.
• 19:14
  Well,
• 19:14
  because
• 19:14
  everyone
• 19:14
  else
• 19:15
  does.
• 19:16
  Has
• 19:16
  to
• 19:16
  be
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  valid
• 19:17
  reason
• 19:18
  and
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  have
• 19:19
  a
• 19:19
  discussion
• 19:19
  about
• 19:19
  it.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  it
• 19:20
  is
• 19:20
  incredibly
• 19:20
  difficult.
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  would
• 19:21
  say
• 19:21
  it
• 19:21
  becomes
• 19:22
  more
• 19:22
  difficult
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  wider
• 19:23
  families.
• 19:23
  Maybe
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  in
• 19:24
  laws
• 19:24
  get
• 19:24
  involved
• 19:24
  and
• 19:25
  there's
• 19:25
  those
• 19:26
  voices.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  know
• 19:27
  it's
• 19:28
  very
• 19:28
  easy
• 19:28
  to
• 19:28
  give
• 19:28
  this
• 19:29
  advice
• 19:29
  and
• 19:30
  it's
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  lot
• 19:30
  harder
• 19:30
  to
• 19:31
  implement
• 19:31
  it,
• 19:31
  but
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  would
• 19:32
  absolutely
• 19:33
  put
• 19:34
  boundaries
• 19:34
  in
• 19:34
  with
• 19:35
  wider
• 19:36
  family.
• 19:36
  So
• 19:36
  your,
• 19:36
  you
• 19:37
  know,
• 19:37
  your
• 19:37
  partner,
• 19:37
  the,
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  father
• 19:38
  or
• 19:38
  mother
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  your
• 19:39
  children.
• 19:40
  Absolutely.
• 19:41
  They,
• 19:41
  they
• 19:41
  need
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  be
• 19:41
  involved
• 19:42
  in
• 19:42
  this
• 19:42
  decision.
• 19:42
  Other
• 19:43
  people
• 19:43
  don't.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  it
• 19:45
  is
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  difficult
• 19:45
  one.
• 19:45
  It's
• 19:46
  very
• 19:46
  hard
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  put
• 19:46
  into
• 19:46
  place.
• 19:47
  Yeah.
• 19:47
  But
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  would
• 19:48
  say
• 19:48
  that
• 19:48
  putting
• 19:48
  boundaries
• 19:49
  into
• 19:49
  place
• 19:49
  is
• 19:49
  a
• 19:49
  really
• 19:50
  good
• 19:50
  practice
• 19:50
  for
• 19:50
  home
• 19:50
  educators
• 19:51
  because
• 19:51
  you're
• 19:51
  going
• 19:51
  to
• 19:52
  get
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  lot
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  questioning,
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  lot
• 19:53
  of
• 19:54
  scrutiny
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  lot
• 19:55
  of
• 19:55
  criticism.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:56
  if
• 19:57
  you
• 19:57
  can
• 19:58
  learn
• 19:59
  how
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  handle
• 19:59
  that
• 20:00
  quite
• 20:00
  confidently
• 20:01
  as
• 20:01
  soon
• 20:01
  as
• 20:01
  possible,
• 20:01
  it's
• 20:02
  going
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  set
• 20:02
  you
• 20:02
  up
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  good
• 20:02
  stead
• 20:03
  for
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  rest
• 20:03
  of
• 20:03
  your.
• 20:03
  Of
• 20:04
  your
• 20:04
  home
• 20:04
  education
• 20:04
  journey.
• 20:05
  Yeah,
• 20:06
  I
• 20:06
  know.
• 20:06
  I
• 20:06
  did
• 20:06
  a
• 20:06
  podcast
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  few
• 20:07
  weeks
• 20:07
  ago
• 20:07
  with
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  listener
• 20:08
  who
• 20:08
  was
• 20:09
  thinking
• 20:10
  about
• 20:10
  home
• 20:10
  educating
• 20:10
  and
• 20:11
  had
• 20:11
  a
• 20:11
  lot
• 20:11
  of
• 20:11
  questions.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  one
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  things
• 20:12
  I
• 20:13
  advised
• 20:13
  her
• 20:13
  right
• 20:14
  from
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  outset
• 20:14
  was
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  get
• 20:15
  everyone
• 20:15
  else
• 20:15
  out
• 20:15
  of
• 20:16
  your
• 20:16
  home
• 20:16
  education
• 20:16
  journey.
• 20:17
  Because
• 20:18
  if
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  can
• 20:18
  do
• 20:18
  that
• 20:18
  right
• 20:18
  from
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  start,
• 20:19
  you're
• 20:19
  onto
• 20:20
  a
• 20:20
  winner
• 20:20
  because
• 20:20
  people
• 20:21
  have
• 20:21
  opinions
• 20:22
  and,
• 20:23
  you
• 20:23
  know,
• 20:23
  what
• 20:23
  is
• 20:24
  that
• 20:24
  phrase,
• 20:24
  they're
• 20:24
  like
• 20:24
  assholes,
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  know,
• 20:26
  absolutely,
• 20:27
  you
• 20:27
  can
• 20:27
  have
• 20:27
  them,
• 20:27
  but
• 20:27
  you
• 20:28
  don't
• 20:28
  need
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  sit
• 20:28
  there
• 20:28
  and
• 20:28
  cuddle
• 20:29
  up
• 20:29
  to
• 20:29
  them.
• 20:29
  So
• 20:30
  I
• 20:31
  don't
• 20:31
  think
• 20:31
  that's
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  phrase.
• 20:31
  I
• 20:32
  think
• 20:32
  I've
• 20:32
  never
• 20:32
  heard
• 20:32
  that
• 20:33
  bit,
• 20:33
  but
• 20:33
  I
• 20:33
  agree
• 20:33
  with
• 20:34
  that.
• 20:35
  So
• 20:35
  what
• 20:35
  about
• 20:35
  the
• 20:36
  idea
• 20:36
  that
• 20:37
  somebody
• 20:37
  may
• 20:37
  say
• 20:37
  they're
• 20:38
  not
• 20:38
  clever
• 20:38
  enough
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  home
• 20:39
  educate?
• 20:39
  They'd
• 20:39
  love
• 20:39
  to
• 20:40
  do
• 20:40
  it,
• 20:40
  but
• 20:40
  they're
• 20:40
  not
• 20:40
  clever
• 20:41
  enough.
• 20:41
  This
• 20:41
  is
• 20:42
  my
• 20:42
  other
• 20:42
  one
• 20:42
  that
• 20:42
  I
• 20:43
  always
• 20:43
  love
• 20:43
  talking
• 20:43
  about.
• 20:44
  And
• 20:44
  it
• 20:44
  actually
• 20:45
  breaks
• 20:45
  my
• 20:45
  heart
• 20:45
  when
• 20:46
  people
• 20:46
  say
• 20:46
  this.
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  just
• 20:48
  find
• 20:49
  it
• 20:49
  so
• 20:49
  stunning
• 20:50
  that
• 20:50
  people
• 20:50
  can
• 20:50
  go
• 20:50
  through
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  school
• 20:51
  system
• 20:51
  for
• 20:52
  12
• 20:52
  years
• 20:52
  and
• 20:52
  come
• 20:53
  out
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  end
• 20:54
  saying
• 20:54
  they're
• 20:54
  not
• 20:55
  clever
• 20:55
  enough
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  raise
• 20:56
  their
• 20:56
  own
• 20:57
  children
• 20:57
  without
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  same
• 20:58
  system
• 20:58
  that
• 20:59
  left
• 20:59
  them
• 20:59
  feeling
• 20:59
  like
• 20:59
  they
• 21:00
  were
• 21:00
  stupid
• 21:00
  and
• 21:01
  they
• 21:01
  want
• 21:01
  to
• 21:02
  put
• 21:02
  their
• 21:03
  kids
• 21:03
  in.
• 21:03
  And
• 21:03
  it's
• 21:04
  almost
• 21:04
  this
• 21:04
  sort
• 21:04
  of
• 21:05
  Stockholm
• 21:06
  syndrome
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  it
• 21:06
  will
• 21:07
  be
• 21:07
  better
• 21:07
  for
• 21:07
  my
• 21:07
  child.
• 21:08
  And,
• 21:08
  you
• 21:09
  know,
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  failed
• 21:10
  school
• 21:10
  rather
• 21:11
  than
• 21:11
  them
• 21:11
  thinking
• 21:11
  at
• 21:11
  any
• 21:12
  point
• 21:12
  that
• 21:12
  it's
• 21:12
  actually
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  system
• 21:13
  that
• 21:13
  failed
• 21:13
  them.
• 21:14
  And
• 21:16
  some
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  most
• 21:17
  incredible
• 21:17
  people,
• 21:17
  I
• 21:18
  was
• 21:18
  thinking,
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  I
• 21:19
  think
• 21:19
  about
• 21:19
  this
• 21:19
  a
• 21:19
  lot,
• 21:20
  about
• 21:20
  half
• 21:20
  of
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  people
• 21:21
  I
• 21:21
  know
• 21:21
  who
• 21:22
  are
• 21:22
  very
• 21:23
  successful
• 21:24
  in
• 21:24
  their
• 21:24
  careers
• 21:24
  and
• 21:25
  are
• 21:25
  also
• 21:26
  quite
• 21:26
  happy,
• 21:27
  about
• 21:27
  half
• 21:27
  of
• 21:28
  them
• 21:28
  did
• 21:28
  really
• 21:28
  well
• 21:28
  at
• 21:28
  school
• 21:29
  and
• 21:29
  they
• 21:29
  went
• 21:29
  into
• 21:29
  traditional
• 21:30
  professions,
• 21:30
  architects,
• 21:31
  doctors,
• 21:31
  lawyers,
• 21:32
  all
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  rest
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  it.
• 21:32
  And
• 21:33
  then
• 21:33
  at
• 21:33
  the
• 21:33
  other
• 21:33
  half
• 21:34
  didn't
• 21:34
  do
• 21:34
  well
• 21:35
  at
• 21:35
  school.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:36
  they
• 21:36
  are
• 21:36
  very
• 21:36
  entrepreneurial.
• 21:37
  This
• 21:38
  is
• 21:38
  just
• 21:38
  my
• 21:38
  experience
• 21:39
  and,
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  know,
• 21:39
  completely
• 21:40
  anecdotal,
• 21:40
  but
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  just
• 21:41
  find
• 21:41
  it
• 21:41
  interesting
• 21:42
  that
• 21:42
  there
• 21:42
  are
• 21:42
  those
• 21:42
  two
• 21:43
  pathways
• 21:43
  and
• 21:43
  they
• 21:43
  each
• 21:44
  came
• 21:45
  out
• 21:45
  well
• 21:46
  in
• 21:47
  completely
• 21:47
  different
• 21:47
  ways.
• 21:49
  And
• 21:49
  the,
• 21:49
  the
• 21:50
  entrepreneurial
• 21:51
  lot
• 21:51
  would
• 21:52
  definitely
• 21:52
  have
• 21:52
  said
• 21:52
  they
• 21:52
  didn't
• 21:53
  do
• 21:53
  well
• 21:53
  in
• 21:53
  school
• 21:53
  or
• 21:54
  they
• 21:54
  struggled
• 21:55
  in
• 21:55
  school
• 21:55
  in
• 21:55
  some
• 21:55
  way.
• 21:56
  Maybe
• 21:56
  they
• 21:56
  got
• 21:56
  okay
• 21:56
  grades,
• 21:57
  but
• 21:57
  maybe
• 21:57
  they
• 21:57
  were
• 21:57
  dyslexic
• 21:58
  or
• 21:58
  they
• 21:58
  were,
• 21:58
  you
• 21:59
  know,
• 21:59
  neurodivergent
• 22:00
  and
• 22:00
  found
• 22:00
  it
• 22:00
  very
• 22:00
  difficult.
• 22:02
  So
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  would
• 22:03
  say
• 22:03
  that
• 22:03
  if
• 22:03
  someone
• 22:04
  is
• 22:04
  saying
• 22:04
  I'm
• 22:04
  not
• 22:04
  smart
• 22:05
  enough
• 22:05
  to
• 22:05
  raise
• 22:05
  my
• 22:05
  children,
• 22:06
  it
• 22:07
  often
• 22:07
  also
• 22:07
  comes
• 22:08
  from
• 22:08
  a
• 22:08
  place
• 22:08
  of
• 22:10
  thinking
• 22:10
  that
• 22:10
  they
• 22:10
  have
• 22:10
  to
• 22:11
  be
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  teacher
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  they're
• 22:12
  going
• 22:12
  to
• 22:12
  have
• 22:12
  to
• 22:12
  deliver,
• 22:13
  you
• 22:13
  know,
• 22:13
  10
• 22:13
  subjects
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  their
• 22:14
  child
• 22:14
  and
• 22:15
  take
• 22:15
  them
• 22:15
  all
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  way
• 22:15
  through
• 22:15
  GCSEs.
• 22:16
  And
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  would
• 22:16
  just
• 22:16
  say
• 22:17
  that
• 22:17
  if
• 22:17
  that
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  case,
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  wouldn't
• 22:18
  be
• 22:18
  home
• 22:18
  educating.
• 22:19
  And
• 22:19
  I
• 22:19
  don't
• 22:19
  think
• 22:20
  most
• 22:20
  home
• 22:20
  educators
• 22:21
  would
• 22:21
  be.
• 22:22
  It's
• 22:22
  very
• 22:22
  much
• 22:23
  about
• 22:24
  finding
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  resources
• 22:26
  that
• 22:26
  help
• 22:26
  your
• 22:26
  child
• 22:27
  develop.
• 22:27
  You
• 22:27
  don't
• 22:28
  have
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  teach
• 22:28
  like
• 22:28
  a
• 22:29
  teacher
• 22:29
  does
• 22:29
  at
• 22:29
  all.
• 22:30
  And
• 22:31
  increasingly
• 22:31
  now,
• 22:31
  you
• 22:32
  know,
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  few
• 22:32
  years
• 22:32
  ago,
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  think
• 22:33
  it
• 22:33
  was
• 22:34
  more
• 22:34
  tricky
• 22:34
  because
• 22:35
  you'd
• 22:35
  have
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  Access
• 22:36
  tutoring
• 22:37
  or
• 22:37
  things
• 22:37
  that
• 22:37
  are
• 22:38
  quite
• 22:38
  expensive.
• 22:38
  Now
• 22:39
  there
• 22:39
  are
• 22:39
  things
• 22:39
  like
• 22:39
  the
• 22:40
  2
• 22:40
  pound
• 22:40
  tuition
• 22:40
  hub.
• 22:41
  There
• 22:41
  are
• 22:41
  free
• 22:41
  websites,
• 22:42
  there's
• 22:42
  Khan
• 22:43
  Academy,
• 22:43
  Oak
• 22:43
  Academy,
• 22:44
  lots
• 22:44
  and
• 22:44
  lots
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  free
• 22:45
  resources
• 22:45
  where
• 22:45
  you
• 22:45
  can
• 22:46
  do
• 22:46
  traditional
• 22:46
  subjects
• 22:47
  if
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  want
• 22:47
  to
• 22:48
  for
• 22:48
  very
• 22:48
  low
• 22:49
  cost
• 22:49
  or
• 22:49
  for
• 22:49
  free.
• 22:50
  And
• 22:50
  so
• 22:50
  you
• 22:51
  can
• 22:51
  access
• 22:51
  those
• 22:51
  resources
• 22:52
  as
• 22:52
  a
• 22:52
  facilitator
• 22:53
  and
• 22:54
  as
• 22:54
  someone
• 22:54
  who's
• 22:54
  more
• 22:54
  like
• 22:55
  a
• 22:55
  project
• 22:55
  manager
• 22:56
  rather
• 22:56
  than
• 22:57
  acting
• 22:57
  like
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  school
• 22:58
  teacher,
• 22:58
  which,
• 22:58
  you
• 22:59
  know,
• 22:59
  if
• 22:59
  it
• 22:59
  doesn't
• 22:59
  work
• 22:59
  in
• 23:00
  school,
• 23:00
  it's
• 23:00
  probably
• 23:00
  not
• 23:01
  going
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  work
• 23:01
  at
• 23:01
  home.
• 23:02
  These
• 23:03
  people
• 23:03
  who
• 23:04
  may,
• 23:04
  may
• 23:05
  be
• 23:05
  listening,
• 23:05
  who
• 23:06
  may
• 23:06
  think,
• 23:06
  well,
• 23:07
  it's
• 23:07
  all
• 23:07
  very
• 23:07
  well
• 23:08
  using
• 23:08
  the
• 23:09
  analogy
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  being
• 23:09
  a
• 23:09
  project
• 23:10
  manager,
• 23:10
  but
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  project
• 23:11
  manager
• 23:11
  implies
• 23:12
  that
• 23:12
  you've
• 23:12
  got
• 23:13
  adults
• 23:13
  who
• 23:13
  are
• 23:13
  there
• 23:13
  and
• 23:14
  who
• 23:14
  are
• 23:14
  going
• 23:14
  to
• 23:14
  listen
• 23:14
  to
• 23:15
  you
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  take,
• 23:15
  take
• 23:16
  on
• 23:16
  board
• 23:16
  what
• 23:16
  you
• 23:16
  say.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:17
  I
• 23:17
  know
• 23:17
  that
• 23:17
  one
• 23:17
  of
• 23:18
  the
• 23:18
  excuses
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  hear
• 23:18
  a
• 23:19
  lot
• 23:19
  is
• 23:19
  that,
• 23:19
  well,
• 23:19
  my
• 23:19
  child
• 23:20
  just
• 23:20
  won't
• 23:20
  listen
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  me.
• 23:21
  They
• 23:21
  won't
• 23:21
  do,
• 23:22
  they
• 23:22
  won't
• 23:22
  do
• 23:22
  anything
• 23:23
  I
• 23:23
  want.
• 23:23
  Like
• 23:23
  they
• 23:24
  don't
• 23:24
  do
• 23:24
  their
• 23:24
  homework
• 23:24
  now
• 23:25
  so
• 23:25
  they
• 23:25
  won't
• 23:26
  turn
• 23:26
  their
• 23:26
  iPad
• 23:26
  off.
• 23:27
  So
• 23:27
  why
• 23:27
  would
• 23:27
  I
• 23:27
  think
• 23:27
  they're
• 23:28
  going
• 23:28
  to
• 23:28
  actually
• 23:29
  let
• 23:29
  me,
• 23:29
  let
• 23:29
  me
• 23:30
  kind
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  home
• 23:30
  educate
• 23:30
  them.
• 23:32
  So
• 23:33
  there
• 23:33
  are,
• 23:33
  there
• 23:34
  are
• 23:34
  so
• 23:34
  many
• 23:34
  facets
• 23:34
  to
• 23:34
  this
• 23:35
  question.
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  love
• 23:35
  this
• 23:35
  question.
• 23:37
  I
• 23:37
  was
• 23:38
  so,
• 23:38
  when
• 23:38
  I
• 23:38
  worked
• 23:39
  in
• 23:39
  behavior
• 23:39
  management,
• 23:40
  it
• 23:40
  was
• 23:40
  with
• 23:40
  teenage
• 23:41
  young
• 23:41
  offenders
• 23:41
  and
• 23:42
  they
• 23:42
  were
• 23:43
  tricky
• 23:43
  as
• 23:44
  heck.
• 23:45
  You
• 23:45
  know,
• 23:45
  they
• 23:45
  were
• 23:45
  trying
• 23:45
  to
• 23:46
  light
• 23:46
  chairs
• 23:46
  on
• 23:46
  fire
• 23:46
  when
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  was
• 23:47
  trying
• 23:47
  to
• 23:47
  teach
• 23:47
  them
• 23:47
  GCC
• 23:48
  English
• 23:48
  and
• 23:49
  they
• 23:49
  were,
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  know,
• 23:49
  we
• 23:49
  had
• 23:49
  to
• 23:50
  count
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  knives
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  out
• 23:50
  at
• 23:51
  lunch
• 23:51
  and
• 23:51
  all
• 23:51
  this
• 23:51
  kind
• 23:51
  of
• 23:52
  stuff.
• 23:52
  And
• 23:52
  what
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  will
• 23:53
  say
• 23:53
  is
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  minute
• 23:54
  that
• 23:54
  they
• 23:54
  got
• 23:54
  out
• 23:54
  of
• 23:55
  mainstream
• 23:55
  education
• 23:55
  and
• 23:56
  got
• 23:56
  into
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  unit
• 23:56
  where
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  worked,
• 23:57
  they
• 23:58
  relaxed
• 23:58
  and
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  know,
• 23:59
  they
• 23:59
  were
• 23:59
  still
• 24:00
  doing
• 24:00
  those
• 24:00
  things,
• 24:01
  but
• 24:01
  it
• 24:01
  was
• 24:01
  less
• 24:01
  than
• 24:02
  they,
• 24:02
  they
• 24:02
  used
• 24:03
  to
• 24:03
  be.
• 24:03
  They
• 24:04
  felt
• 24:04
  loved
• 24:05
  where
• 24:05
  I
• 24:05
  worked
• 24:06
  and
• 24:06
  they
• 24:06
  felt
• 24:06
  cared
• 24:06
  for
• 24:07
  and
• 24:07
  they
• 24:07
  felt
• 24:08
  safe.
• 24:08
  And
• 24:08
  I
• 24:08
  think
• 24:09
  that
• 24:09
  when
• 24:09
  children,
• 24:10
  you
• 24:10
  know,
• 24:10
  you
• 24:11
  mentioned
• 24:11
  about
• 24:11
  children
• 24:11
  not
• 24:11
  doing
• 24:12
  their
• 24:12
  homework
• 24:12
  and
• 24:12
  things.
• 24:13
  I
• 24:13
  think
• 24:13
  it
• 24:13
  is
• 24:14
  very
• 24:14
  hard
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  get
• 24:14
  a
• 24:15
  buy
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  from
• 24:15
  children
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  do
• 24:16
  things
• 24:17
  like
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  when
• 24:17
  they
• 24:17
  don't
• 24:18
  believe
• 24:18
  in
• 24:18
  what
• 24:18
  they're
• 24:19
  doing
• 24:19
  or
• 24:19
  when
• 24:19
  they
• 24:19
  are
• 24:20
  told
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  do
• 24:20
  it.
• 24:20
  And
• 24:20
  they
• 24:21
  feel
• 24:21
  like
• 24:21
  they
• 24:21
  have
• 24:21
  no
• 24:21
  autonomy.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:23
  often
• 24:23
  people
• 24:24
  who
• 24:24
  deregister,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  know,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  probably
• 24:26
  have
• 24:26
  heard
• 24:26
  this
• 24:26
  a
• 24:26
  million
• 24:26
  times,
• 24:27
  they
• 24:27
  say,
• 24:27
  oh,
• 24:27
  I've
• 24:27
  got
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  child
• 24:28
  back.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  I
• 24:30
  think
• 24:30
  that
• 24:30
  children
• 24:30
  who
• 24:31
  are
• 24:32
  happy
• 24:33
  and,
• 24:33
  and
• 24:33
  feel
• 24:34
  safe
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  are
• 24:34
  relaxing
• 24:35
  are
• 24:35
  so
• 24:35
  much
• 24:36
  easier
• 24:36
  to
• 24:36
  live
• 24:36
  with
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  have
• 24:37
  relationship
• 24:38
  with
• 24:38
  than
• 24:38
  children
• 24:39
  who
• 24:39
  are
• 24:39
  stressed
• 24:40
  because,
• 24:40
  you
• 24:40
  know,
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  we
• 24:42
  could
• 24:42
  go
• 24:42
  into
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  science
• 24:42
  behind
• 24:43
  it,
• 24:43
  but
• 24:43
  they
• 24:43
  are
• 24:43
  just
• 24:44
  going
• 24:44
  to
• 24:44
  be
• 24:44
  easier
• 24:44
  and
• 24:45
  it
• 24:45
  doesn't
• 24:45
  mean
• 24:45
  they're
• 24:45
  going
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  do
• 24:46
  everything
• 24:46
  that
• 24:47
  you
• 24:47
  want
• 24:47
  them
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  do.
• 24:47
  Of
• 24:47
  course
• 24:47
  it
• 24:48
  doesn't.
• 24:48
  But
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  is
• 24:49
  going
• 24:49
  to
• 24:49
  be
• 24:49
  easier
• 24:50
  to
• 24:50
  generally
• 24:51
  build
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  trusting
• 24:52
  relationship
• 24:52
  and
• 24:53
  have
• 24:53
  more
• 24:53
  open
• 24:53
  communication
• 24:54
  if
• 24:55
  they're
• 24:55
  out
• 24:55
  of
• 24:55
  that
• 24:55
  survival
• 24:56
  mode.
• 24:57
  So
• 24:58
  there's
• 24:58
  that.
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  would
• 24:59
  also
• 24:59
  say
• 24:59
  that
• 25:00
  people
• 25:00
  might
• 25:00
  have
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  preconception
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  they
• 25:02
  have
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  do
• 25:02
  the
• 25:03
  National
• 25:03
  Curriculum
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  that's
• 25:04
  what
• 25:04
  they're
• 25:04
  worried
• 25:04
  about.
• 25:05
  They're
• 25:05
  worried
• 25:05
  about
• 25:05
  getting
• 25:05
  all
• 25:05
  these
• 25:06
  workbooks
• 25:06
  and
• 25:06
  things.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:08
  while,
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  know
• 25:09
  you
• 25:09
  might
• 25:09
  want
• 25:09
  to
• 25:09
  do
• 25:09
  GCSEs
• 25:10
  and
• 25:10
  things,
• 25:10
  and
• 25:11
  that's
• 25:11
  absolutely
• 25:11
  fine,
• 25:12
  you
• 25:12
  don't
• 25:12
  have
• 25:13
  to.
• 25:13
  And
• 25:13
  if
• 25:13
  you
• 25:14
  do,
• 25:14
  you
• 25:14
  don't
• 25:14
  have
• 25:14
  to
• 25:14
  do
• 25:14
  it
• 25:14
  on
• 25:15
  anyone
• 25:15
  else's
• 25:15
  time
• 25:15
  scale.
• 25:16
  So
• 25:16
  you've
• 25:16
  got
• 25:16
  a
• 25:16
  lot
• 25:16
  of
• 25:16
  time.
• 25:18
  My
• 25:19
  nearly
• 25:19
  15
• 25:19
  year
• 25:20
  old,
• 25:20
  we
• 25:20
  didn't
• 25:21
  do
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  National
• 25:21
  Curriculum.
• 25:22
  We
• 25:22
  haven't
• 25:22
  sat
• 25:22
  and
• 25:22
  followed
• 25:23
  it.
• 25:23
  She
• 25:23
  sort
• 25:24
  of,
• 25:25
  by
• 25:25
  accident,
• 25:26
  almost
• 25:27
  learned
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  lot
• 25:28
  of
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  just
• 25:29
  through
• 25:29
  what
• 25:29
  we've
• 25:30
  done
• 25:30
  as
• 25:30
  home
• 25:30
  educators,
• 25:31
  which
• 25:31
  hasn't
• 25:31
  been
• 25:32
  specifically
• 25:33
  tied
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  curriculum.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  she's,
• 25:34
  you
• 25:35
  know,
• 25:35
  applying
• 25:35
  for
• 25:36
  a
• 25:36
  14
• 25:36
  to
• 25:37
  16
• 25:37
  college
• 25:37
  next
• 25:38
  year.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:39
  from
• 25:39
  what
• 25:39
  I
• 25:39
  can
• 25:39
  tell,
• 25:40
  she's
• 25:40
  got
• 25:40
  a
• 25:40
  good
• 25:40
  chance,
• 25:41
  as
• 25:41
  anyone,
• 25:42
  at
• 25:42
  getting
• 25:43
  in.
• 25:43
  I
• 25:44
  don't
• 25:44
  think
• 25:44
  that
• 25:45
  learning
• 25:45
  the
• 25:45
  National
• 25:45
  Curriculum
• 25:46
  all
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  way
• 25:46
  through
• 25:47
  primary
• 25:47
  years
• 25:47
  and
• 25:47
  all
• 25:47
  the
• 25:47
  way
• 25:48
  through
• 25:48
  secondary
• 25:48
  is
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  only
• 25:49
  base
• 25:50
  for
• 25:50
  doing
• 25:50
  GCSEs.
• 25:51
  I
• 25:51
  think
• 25:51
  that
• 25:51
  if
• 25:51
  you
• 25:51
  have
• 25:52
  a
• 25:52
  rich,
• 25:52
  fulfilled
• 25:53
  life
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  you
• 25:53
  are
• 25:54
  doing
• 25:54
  different
• 25:54
  things
• 25:55
  and
• 25:55
  having
• 25:55
  different
• 25:55
  learning
• 25:56
  opportunities,
• 25:57
  you
• 25:58
  can
• 25:58
  pick
• 25:58
  up
• 25:58
  the
• 25:59
  academic
• 25:59
  side.
• 26:01
  You
• 26:01
  know,
• 26:01
  when
• 26:01
  you're
• 26:02
  older
• 26:02
  than
• 26:02
  you
• 26:02
  would
• 26:03
  in
• 26:03
  school
• 26:04
  and
• 26:04
  there
• 26:05
  are
• 26:05
  bumps
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  road.
• 26:05
  It's
• 26:06
  definitely
• 26:06
  been
• 26:06
  a
• 26:06
  shift
• 26:07
  in
• 26:08
  pace
• 26:08
  for
• 26:09
  us.
• 26:09
  You
• 26:09
  know,
• 26:09
  we
• 26:09
  sit.
• 26:09
  We're
• 26:10
  sitting
• 26:10
  with
• 26:10
  some
• 26:10
  work
• 26:10
  breaks
• 26:11
  now.
• 26:11
  But
• 26:11
  what
• 26:12
  I
• 26:12
  will
• 26:12
  say
• 26:12
  is
• 26:12
  that
• 26:12
  when
• 26:12
  she
• 26:13
  was
• 26:13
  younger,
• 26:14
  it
• 26:14
  was
• 26:15
  so
• 26:15
  hard
• 26:15
  to
• 26:16
  sit
• 26:16
  down
• 26:16
  and
• 26:16
  do
• 26:17
  work.
• 26:17
  It
• 26:17
  was
• 26:17
  almost
• 26:17
  impossible.
• 26:19
  And
• 26:19
  now
• 26:19
  she's
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  one
• 26:20
  getting
• 26:20
  them
• 26:20
  out
• 26:21
  and
• 26:21
  sitting
• 26:21
  with
• 26:21
  me
• 26:21
  at
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  kitchen
• 26:22
  table
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  wanting
• 26:22
  to
• 26:22
  do
• 26:23
  it
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  reminding
• 26:23
  me.
• 26:23
  And
• 26:24
  so
• 26:24
  all
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  that
• 26:25
  has
• 26:26
  just
• 26:26
  been
• 26:26
  her
• 26:27
  being
• 26:27
  ready
• 26:27
  in
• 26:27
  her
• 26:28
  own
• 26:28
  time
• 26:29
  and
• 26:29
  is
• 26:29
  a
• 26:30
  lot
• 26:30
  about
• 26:30
  trust.
• 26:31
  And
• 26:31
  that's
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  tricky
• 26:32
  thing
• 26:32
  to
• 26:32
  do
• 26:33
  in
• 26:33
  home
• 26:33
  education.
• 26:34
  I
• 26:34
  remember
• 26:36
  them
• 26:36
  learning
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  read
• 26:37
  quite
• 26:38
  naturally.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  I
• 26:38
  was
• 26:38
  talking
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  other
• 26:39
  home
• 26:39
  educators
• 26:39
  who've
• 26:40
  had
• 26:40
  older
• 26:41
  children
• 26:41
  and
• 26:41
  more
• 26:41
  children
• 26:41
  saying,
• 26:42
  do
• 26:42
  they
• 26:42
  really
• 26:43
  learn
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  read?
• 26:44
  You
• 26:44
  know,
• 26:44
  if
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  don't
• 26:45
  sit
• 26:45
  with
• 26:45
  them
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  I
• 26:45
  do
• 26:45
  all
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  things
• 26:46
  they
• 26:46
  should
• 26:46
  do,
• 26:47
  and
• 26:47
  they
• 26:47
  were
• 26:47
  like,
• 26:47
  yes,
• 26:47
  they,
• 26:47
  you
• 26:48
  know,
• 26:48
  they
• 26:48
  do.
• 26:48
  And
• 26:48
  they
• 26:48
  did,
• 26:48
  they
• 26:49
  all
• 26:49
  did,
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  they
• 26:49
  love
• 26:49
  reading,
• 26:51
  but
• 26:51
  it
• 26:51
  is
• 26:52
  a.
• 26:52
  It
• 26:52
  Feels
• 26:53
  like
• 26:53
  a
• 26:53
  big
• 26:53
  gamble.
• 26:53
  And
• 26:53
  so
• 26:54
  I
• 26:54
  do
• 26:54
  understand
• 26:54
  why
• 26:54
  people
• 26:55
  have
• 26:55
  a
• 26:55
  tricky
• 26:56
  time
• 26:56
  sort
• 26:56
  of
• 26:56
  letting
• 26:57
  go
• 26:57
  of
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  school
• 26:57
  system,
• 26:58
  even
• 26:58
  at
• 26:58
  home,
• 26:59
  because
• 26:59
  it
• 26:59
  feels
• 27:00
  like
• 27:00
  such
• 27:00
  a
• 27:00
  risk.
• 27:01
  I
• 27:01
  suppose
• 27:01
  what
• 27:01
  I'd
• 27:02
  say
• 27:02
  is
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  school
• 27:03
  system
• 27:03
  is
• 27:03
  also
• 27:03
  a
• 27:04
  big
• 27:04
  gamble.
• 27:04
  And
• 27:04
  when
• 27:05
  we've
• 27:05
  got
• 27:05
  one
• 27:05
  in
• 27:06
  five
• 27:06
  children
• 27:06
  coming
• 27:07
  out
• 27:07
  without
• 27:07
  basic
• 27:08
  GCSEs,
• 27:09
  that's
• 27:09
  quite
• 27:10
  a
• 27:10
  hefty
• 27:10
  number
• 27:10
  of
• 27:11
  kids
• 27:11
  who,
• 27:12
  you
• 27:12
  know,
• 27:12
  school
• 27:12
  has
• 27:13
  one
• 27:13
  job,
• 27:14
  all
• 27:14
  it
• 27:14
  promises
• 27:14
  is,
• 27:15
  we'll
• 27:15
  get
• 27:15
  your
• 27:15
  kid
• 27:15
  out
• 27:15
  with
• 27:15
  some
• 27:15
  gcse.
• 27:16
  Essentially.
• 27:17
  Everything
• 27:18
  else
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  a
• 27:18
  bonus.
• 27:19
  And
• 27:19
  if
• 27:19
  it's
• 27:19
  failing
• 27:19
  on
• 27:19
  that
• 27:20
  one
• 27:20
  job,
• 27:20
  then
• 27:21
  that
• 27:21
  is
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  gamble
• 27:22
  as
• 27:22
  well.
• 27:23
  Failing
• 27:23
  on
• 27:23
  that
• 27:24
  one
• 27:24
  job.
• 27:24
  And
• 27:24
  also
• 27:25
  so
• 27:25
  regularly
• 27:26
  failing
• 27:26
  on
• 27:27
  safeguarding
• 27:27
  the
• 27:27
  children
• 27:28
  in
• 27:28
  their
• 27:28
  care
• 27:28
  as
• 27:29
  well.
• 27:29
  Absolutely.
• 27:30
  What
• 27:31
  about
• 27:31
  this
• 27:31
  idea
• 27:32
  linking
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  that
• 27:32
  that
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  hear,
• 27:33
  which
• 27:34
  is
• 27:34
  probably
• 27:35
  one
• 27:35
  of
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  most
• 27:35
  common
• 27:36
  ones
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  hear,
• 27:36
  but
• 27:37
  also
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  one
• 27:37
  that
• 27:37
  makes
• 27:37
  me
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  saddest,
• 27:38
  which
• 27:39
  is
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  idea
• 27:40
  that
• 27:40
  they'
• 27:40
  end
• 27:41
  up
• 27:41
  hating
• 27:41
  each
• 27:41
  other
• 27:41
  or
• 27:41
  they
• 27:42
  couldn't
• 27:42
  stand
• 27:42
  to
• 27:43
  hang
• 27:43
  out
• 27:43
  with
• 27:43
  each
• 27:43
  other
• 27:44
  that
• 27:44
  much,
• 27:44
  or
• 27:44
  oh,
• 27:44
  I'd
• 27:45
  love
• 27:45
  to
• 27:45
  home
• 27:45
  educate
• 27:45
  but
• 27:46
  I
• 27:46
  wouldn't
• 27:46
  want
• 27:46
  to
• 27:46
  like
• 27:47
  be
• 27:47
  with
• 27:47
  my
• 27:47
  children
• 27:47
  that
• 27:48
  much.
• 27:48
  Or,
• 27:48
  oh,
• 27:48
  we'd
• 27:48
  all
• 27:49
  get
• 27:49
  under
• 27:49
  each
• 27:49
  other's
• 27:49
  feet,
• 27:50
  all
• 27:50
  of
• 27:50
  that
• 27:50
  kind
• 27:50
  of
• 27:50
  stuff.
• 27:51
  What
• 27:51
  about
• 27:51
  that
• 27:51
  one?
• 27:52
  I
• 27:52
  think
• 27:52
  that
• 27:53
  would,
• 27:53
  I'd
• 27:53
  go
• 27:53
  back
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  my
• 27:54
  point
• 27:54
  about
• 27:54
  children
• 27:55
  are
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  lot
• 27:55
  easier
• 27:55
  if
• 27:56
  they're
• 27:56
  happy.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  I,
• 27:57
  you
• 27:57
  know,
• 27:57
  when
• 27:57
  I
• 27:58
  see
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  battles
• 27:59
  that
• 27:59
  people
• 28:00
  have
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  have
• 28:00
  with
• 28:00
  their
• 28:01
  children
• 28:01
  over
• 28:01
  school,
• 28:01
  I'm
• 28:02
  not
• 28:02
  surprised
• 28:02
  that
• 28:02
  they
• 28:03
  don't
• 28:03
  want
• 28:03
  to
• 28:03
  hang
• 28:03
  out
• 28:03
  with
• 28:03
  each
• 28:04
  other.
• 28:05
  I
• 28:05
  think
• 28:05
  it
• 28:06
  brings
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  completely
• 28:06
  different
• 28:07
  dynamic
• 28:07
  to
• 28:07
  the,
• 28:08
  to
• 28:08
  the
• 28:08
  family
• 28:08
  relationships.
• 28:09
  There
• 28:09
  are
• 28:09
  so
• 28:09
  many
• 28:10
  more
• 28:10
  demands
• 28:11
  of
• 28:11
  time
• 28:11
  constraints
• 28:12
  and
• 28:12
  it
• 28:12
  just
• 28:12
  puts
• 28:12
  a
• 28:13
  lot
• 28:13
  of
• 28:13
  pressure
• 28:13
  on
• 28:14
  families,
• 28:14
  on
• 28:14
  children
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  parents.
• 28:16
  And
• 28:16
  so
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  lot
• 28:16
  of
• 28:17
  the
• 28:17
  communication
• 28:18
  becomes,
• 28:19
  have
• 28:20
  you
• 28:20
  done
• 28:20
  this?
• 28:20
  We
• 28:21
  need
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  do
• 28:21
  this
• 28:21
  as
• 28:22
  opposed
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  just
• 28:22
  being
• 28:23
  in
• 28:23
  relationship
• 28:23
  with
• 28:24
  each
• 28:24
  other.
• 28:24
  So
• 28:24
  I
• 28:25
  would
• 28:25
  say
• 28:25
  that
• 28:26
  is
• 28:26
  almost,
• 28:27
  I
• 28:27
  would
• 28:27
  almost
• 28:27
  guarantee
• 28:28
  it
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  you're
• 28:28
  going
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  enjoy
• 28:29
  your
• 28:29
  child
• 28:29
  more
• 28:29
  if
• 28:29
  they're,
• 28:30
  if
• 28:30
  they're
• 28:30
  relaxed
• 28:30
  and
• 28:31
  home
• 28:31
  educated.
• 28:32
  I
• 28:33
  think
• 28:33
  that
• 28:33
  parents
• 28:34
  are
• 28:34
  absolutely
• 28:35
  entitled
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  feel
• 28:36
  frazzled.
• 28:37
  I've
• 28:38
  seen,
• 28:38
  I've
• 28:39
  been
• 28:39
  in,
• 28:39
  in
• 28:39
  person
• 28:40
  conversations
• 28:40
  where
• 28:40
  I've
• 28:41
  seen
• 28:41
  a
• 28:41
  mum
• 28:41
  be.
• 28:42
  You
• 28:42
  don't
• 28:42
  really
• 28:42
  need
• 28:42
  time
• 28:43
  away
• 28:43
  from
• 28:43
  your
• 28:43
  kids.
• 28:43
  You.
• 28:44
  You
• 28:44
  just
• 28:44
  need
• 28:44
  to
• 28:45
  find
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  way
• 28:45
  to
• 28:46
  feel
• 28:46
  relaxed.
• 28:46
  And
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  thought
• 28:47
  that
• 28:47
  was
• 28:47
  really
• 28:47
  unfair.
• 28:48
  And
• 28:48
  I
• 28:48
  think
• 28:48
  that,
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  know,
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  know
• 28:51
  that
• 28:51
  as
• 28:52
  a
• 28:52
  single
• 28:52
  parent,
• 28:52
  it's
• 28:52
  very
• 28:53
  tricky
• 28:54
  sometimes
• 28:54
  because
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  just
• 28:55
  want
• 28:55
  to
• 28:56
  say,
• 28:56
  leave
• 28:56
  me
• 28:56
  alone.
• 28:56
  Honestly,
• 28:57
  that
• 28:57
  I
• 28:57
  just
• 28:57
  feel
• 28:57
  like,
• 28:58
  leave
• 28:58
  me
• 28:58
  alone.
• 28:59
  Because
• 28:59
  they're
• 28:59
  always
• 29:00
  there.
• 29:02
  But
• 29:03
  I
• 29:04
  would
• 29:04
  say
• 29:04
  that
• 29:05
  you
• 29:05
  learn
• 29:05
  from
• 29:05
  other
• 29:06
  home
• 29:06
  educating
• 29:07
  families
• 29:07
  and
• 29:07
  also
• 29:08
  just
• 29:08
  from,
• 29:08
  from
• 29:09
  practice
• 29:09
  that
• 29:10
  there
• 29:10
  are
• 29:10
  other
• 29:10
  ways
• 29:10
  of
• 29:11
  getting
• 29:11
  space.
• 29:11
  I
• 29:11
  think
• 29:12
  for
• 29:12
  people
• 29:13
  with
• 29:13
  young,
• 29:14
  incredibly
• 29:14
  difficult.
• 29:15
  And
• 29:15
  I've
• 29:15
  got
• 29:15
  a
• 29:16
  friend
• 29:16
  who's
• 29:16
  got
• 29:16
  a,
• 29:17
  an
• 29:17
  8
• 29:17
  year
• 29:17
  old
• 29:18
  and
• 29:18
  a
• 29:18
  3
• 29:18
  year
• 29:18
  old
• 29:19
  and
• 29:19
  I
• 29:19
  said
• 29:19
  to
• 29:20
  her,
• 29:20
  like,
• 29:20
  you
• 29:20
  are
• 29:20
  in
• 29:20
  the
• 29:21
  trenches
• 29:21
  at
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  moment.
• 29:22
  It's
• 29:22
  absolutely
• 29:22
  fine
• 29:22
  to
• 29:23
  feel
• 29:23
  frazzled,
• 29:23
  totally
• 29:24
  normal
• 29:24
  and
• 29:24
  natural
• 29:25
  because
• 29:25
  there
• 29:25
  are
• 29:25
  so
• 29:26
  many
• 29:26
  physical
• 29:27
  demands
• 29:27
  that
• 29:27
  are
• 29:28
  immediate
• 29:28
  on
• 29:29
  you.
• 29:29
  As
• 29:30
  kids
• 29:30
  get
• 29:30
  older,
• 29:30
  I
• 29:31
  found
• 29:31
  it
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  lot
• 29:31
  easier.
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  can
• 29:32
  say
• 29:32
  to
• 29:32
  them,
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  know,
• 29:32
  I'm
• 29:32
  going
• 29:33
  to
• 29:33
  go
• 29:33
  and
• 29:33
  read
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  book
• 29:33
  for
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  bit,
• 29:34
  I
• 29:34
  need
• 29:34
  half
• 29:35
  an
• 29:35
  hour
• 29:35
  to
• 29:35
  do
• 29:36
  this
• 29:36
  call.
• 29:37
  It
• 29:37
  does
• 29:37
  just
• 29:38
  get
• 29:38
  easier.
• 29:40
  But
• 29:41
  yeah,
• 29:41
  I
• 29:41
  think
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  main
• 29:42
  thing
• 29:42
  also
• 29:42
  would
• 29:43
  be
• 29:43
  to
• 29:43
  think
• 29:43
  about
• 29:44
  what
• 29:45
  is
• 29:45
  it
• 29:45
  that
• 29:45
  you're
• 29:45
  worried
• 29:46
  about?
• 29:46
  Is
• 29:47
  there
• 29:47
  a
• 29:47
  particular
• 29:47
  behaviour
• 29:48
  that
• 29:48
  you're
• 29:48
  worried
• 29:48
  about
• 29:48
  and
• 29:49
  is
• 29:49
  that
• 29:49
  behaviour
• 29:49
  likely
• 29:50
  to
• 29:50
  decrease
• 29:50
  if
• 29:51
  your
• 29:51
  child
• 29:51
  is
• 29:51
  less
• 29:51
  stressed
• 29:52
  when
• 29:52
  they
• 29:52
  come
• 29:52
  out
• 29:52
  of
• 29:52
  school?
• 29:53
  It's
• 29:53
  just
• 29:53
  something
• 29:54
  to
• 29:54
  think
• 29:54
  about
• 29:54
  because
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  often
• 29:54
  think
• 29:55
  people
• 29:55
  imagine
• 29:55
  their
• 29:56
  child
• 29:56
  to
• 29:56
  be
• 29:56
  behaving
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  same,
• 29:58
  but
• 29:58
  with
• 29:58
  them
• 29:58
  24,
• 29:59
  7
• 29:59
  and
• 30:00
  they
• 30:00
  almost
• 30:00
  never
• 30:00
  behave
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  same
• 30:01
  when
• 30:01
  they
• 30:01
  come
• 30:01
  out
• 30:02
  of
• 30:02
  school.
• 30:02
  Yeah,
• 30:03
  it's
• 30:03
  such
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  different
• 30:04
  thing.
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  know
• 30:06
  when
• 30:06
  we
• 30:06
  saw
• 30:07
  obviously
• 30:08
  everybody
• 30:09
  homeschooling
• 30:09
  during
• 30:10
  COVID
• 30:10
  I
• 30:11
  would
• 30:11
  go
• 30:11
  onto
• 30:11
  the
• 30:12
  local
• 30:12
  Facebook
• 30:13
  groups,
• 30:13
  not
• 30:13
  the
• 30:13
  home
• 30:13
  ed
• 30:14
  ones,
• 30:14
  and
• 30:14
  people
• 30:14
  would
• 30:14
  be
• 30:14
  saying
• 30:15
  about
• 30:15
  how
• 30:15
  hard
• 30:15
  it
• 30:15
  was
• 30:16
  and
• 30:16
  all
• 30:17
  of
• 30:17
  that.
• 30:17
  And
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  thought
• 30:17
  that's
• 30:18
  because
• 30:18
  you're
• 30:18
  not
• 30:18
  actually
• 30:18
  doing
• 30:19
  it.
• 30:19
  Like
• 30:19
  you're
• 30:19
  not
• 30:19
  doing
• 30:20
  home
• 30:20
  education.
• 30:20
  You're
• 30:21
  doing
• 30:21
  something
• 30:21
  that
• 30:21
  is
• 30:22
  this
• 30:22
  like
• 30:22
  weird,
• 30:23
  prescriptive,
• 30:24
  controlled
• 30:25
  version
• 30:25
  of
• 30:25
  it.
• 30:26
  It
• 30:26
  looked
• 30:26
  awful.
• 30:28
  I
• 30:28
  think
• 30:29
  in
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  way
• 30:30
  Covid
• 30:31
  did
• 30:31
  a
• 30:31
  lot
• 30:31
  for
• 30:31
  home
• 30:32
  education
• 30:32
  because
• 30:32
  a
• 30:33
  lot
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  people
• 30:33
  realized
• 30:34
  that
• 30:34
  their
• 30:34
  child
• 30:34
  was
• 30:35
  happier
• 30:35
  at
• 30:36
  home
• 30:36
  during
• 30:36
  a
• 30:36
  pandemic
• 30:37
  than
• 30:38
  at
• 30:38
  school,
• 30:38
  which
• 30:38
  said
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  lot
• 30:39
  about
• 30:39
  their
• 30:40
  happiness
• 30:40
  levels.
• 30:41
  But
• 30:42
  in
• 30:42
  a
• 30:42
  way
• 30:42
  also
• 30:42
  it
• 30:43
  put
• 30:43
  off
• 30:43
  so
• 30:43
  many
• 30:43
  people
• 30:44
  because
• 30:45
  they
• 30:45
  thought,
• 30:45
  well,
• 30:45
  this
• 30:45
  is
• 30:46
  homeschooling
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  it's
• 30:46
  hell.
• 30:47
  And
• 30:47
  it
• 30:47
  was
• 30:48
  awful
• 30:48
  in
• 30:48
  a
• 30:49
  lot
• 30:49
  of
• 30:49
  ways.
• 30:49
  We
• 30:50
  couldn't
• 30:50
  go
• 30:50
  out
• 30:50
  of
• 30:50
  our
• 30:50
  houses,
• 30:51
  we
• 30:51
  couldn't
• 30:51
  have
• 30:51
  our
• 30:51
  meetups
• 30:52
  and
• 30:52
  our
• 30:52
  socializing
• 30:53
  and
• 30:54
  that's
• 30:54
  such
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  huge
• 30:54
  part
• 30:54
  of
• 30:55
  home
• 30:55
  education.
• 30:56
  And
• 30:56
  also
• 30:57
  parents
• 30:57
  were
• 30:57
  being
• 30:57
  given
• 30:58
  work
• 30:58
  from
• 30:58
  schools
• 30:59
  to
• 30:59
  do
• 30:59
  at
• 30:59
  home,
• 31:00
  but
• 31:00
  it
• 31:00
  wasn't
• 31:01
  necessarily
• 31:01
  well
• 31:02
  prepared
• 31:02
  because
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  teachers
• 31:03
  didn't
• 31:03
  have
• 31:03
  any
• 31:03
  time
• 31:03
  or
• 31:04
  resources.
• 31:04
  So
• 31:04
  it
• 31:05
  was
• 31:05
  like
• 31:05
  the
• 31:05
  worst
• 31:05
  kind
• 31:06
  of
• 31:06
  schoolwork.
• 31:07
  The
• 31:07
  parents
• 31:07
  are
• 31:08
  still
• 31:08
  trying
• 31:08
  to
• 31:08
  do
• 31:08
  their
• 31:08
  jobs
• 31:09
  in
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  pandemic
• 31:10
  where
• 31:10
  they
• 31:10
  can't
• 31:10
  go
• 31:10
  out
• 31:10
  with
• 31:11
  their
• 31:11
  friends.
• 31:11
  It
• 31:11
  was
• 31:11
  like
• 31:12
  if
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  wanted
• 31:12
  to
• 31:12
  design
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  worst
• 31:14
  kind
• 31:14
  of
• 31:14
  home
• 31:14
  education.
• 31:15
  I
• 31:15
  think
• 31:15
  we'd
• 31:15
  have.
• 31:15
  We'd
• 31:16
  have
• 31:16
  done
• 31:16
  that.
• 31:17
  I
• 31:17
  know
• 31:17
  that
• 31:17
  a
• 31:18
  lot
• 31:18
  of
• 31:18
  people
• 31:18
  came
• 31:18
  to
• 31:18
  home
• 31:19
  education
• 31:19
  during
• 31:19
  that
• 31:20
  time
• 31:20
  because
• 31:21
  they
• 31:21
  sat
• 31:22
  there
• 31:22
  when
• 31:22
  their
• 31:22
  child
• 31:23
  was
• 31:23
  having
• 31:23
  their
• 31:23
  zoom.
• 31:24
  Their
• 31:25
  zoom
• 31:25
  schooling
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  thought,
• 31:27
  my
• 31:27
  God,
• 31:27
  this
• 31:27
  is.
• 31:28
  This
• 31:28
  is
• 31:28
  easy.
• 31:29
  I
• 31:29
  could
• 31:29
  do
• 31:29
  better
• 31:29
  than
• 31:30
  this
• 31:30
  at
• 31:30
  home.
• 31:30
  And
• 31:30
  I
• 31:30
  know
• 31:31
  that
• 31:31
  quite
• 31:31
  a.
• 31:31
  Yeah,
• 31:31
  quite
• 31:32
  a
• 31:32
  few
• 31:32
  parents
• 31:32
  actually
• 31:33
  almost
• 31:33
  had
• 31:34
  an
• 31:34
  insight
• 31:34
  into
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  school
• 31:35
  system
• 31:35
  and
• 31:35
  thought,
• 31:35
  wow,
• 31:36
  okay,
• 31:37
  this
• 31:37
  is
• 31:37
  a
• 31:37
  bit
• 31:37
  more
• 31:38
  basic
• 31:38
  than
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  thought.
• 31:39
  I.
• 31:39
  I
• 31:40
  have
• 31:40
  my
• 31:40
  favorite
• 31:40
  anecdote,
• 31:41
  which
• 31:41
  is
• 31:41
  that
• 31:41
  my
• 31:41
  daughter,
• 31:42
  who's
• 31:42
  been
• 31:42
  home
• 31:42
  educated
• 31:42
  all
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  way
• 31:43
  through,
• 31:43
  she
• 31:43
  wanted
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  try
• 31:44
  out
• 31:44
  school.
• 31:44
  She's
• 31:44
  17.
• 31:45
  She
• 31:45
  wanted
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  try
• 31:45
  out
• 31:46
  school
• 31:46
  this
• 31:46
  autumn,
• 31:47
  and
• 31:47
  she
• 31:47
  went
• 31:47
  to
• 31:48
  our
• 31:48
  local
• 31:48
  school.
• 31:48
  Very
• 31:48
  good
• 31:49
  school.
• 31:49
  She
• 31:49
  went
• 31:49
  to
• 31:49
  a
• 31:50
  local
• 31:50
  school
• 31:50
  and
• 31:50
  she,
• 31:51
  she
• 31:51
  was,
• 31:52
  she
• 31:52
  came,
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  picked
• 31:53
  her
• 31:54
  up.
• 31:54
  She
• 31:54
  lasted
• 31:54
  three
• 31:54
  and
• 31:55
  a
• 31:55
  half
• 31:55
  weeks,
• 31:55
  by
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  way.
• 31:55
  So
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  picked
• 31:56
  her
• 31:56
  up
• 31:56
  from
• 31:56
  school
• 31:57
  and.
• 31:57
  And
• 31:57
  she'd
• 31:58
  done
• 31:58
  computer
• 31:58
  science.
• 31:59
  And
• 31:59
  I
• 31:59
  said,
• 31:59
  what
• 31:59
  did
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  do
• 32:00
  for
• 32:00
  computer
• 32:00
  science?
• 32:00
  And
• 32:01
  she
• 32:01
  said,
• 32:01
  oh,
• 32:01
  we
• 32:01
  learned
• 32:02
  how
• 32:02
  to
• 32:02
  send
• 32:02
  an
• 32:02
  email
• 32:03
  and
• 32:04
  copy
• 32:04
  somebody
• 32:04
  into
• 32:04
  an
• 32:04
  email.
• 32:05
  And
• 32:05
  I
• 32:05
  said
• 32:05
  to
• 32:05
  her,
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  said,
• 32:06
  well,
• 32:06
  thank
• 32:07
  God
• 32:07
  you
• 32:07
  haven't
• 32:07
  missed
• 32:08
  out
• 32:08
  on
• 32:08
  15
• 32:08
  years
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  schooling,
• 32:09
  Carenza,
• 32:10
  because,
• 32:11
  I
• 32:12
  mean,
• 32:12
  it's.
• 32:12
  It's
• 32:12
  pretty
• 32:13
  basic.
• 32:13
  Like
• 32:13
  a
• 32:14
  lot
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  the
• 32:14
  stuff
• 32:14
  they
• 32:14
  learn,
• 32:14
  we
• 32:15
  think
• 32:15
  that
• 32:15
  they're
• 32:15
  missing
• 32:16
  out
• 32:16
  on
• 32:16
  all
• 32:16
  of
• 32:17
  this
• 32:17
  learning
• 32:17
  opportunity.
• 32:18
  But
• 32:18
  actually,
• 32:19
  I've
• 32:19
  done.
• 32:19
  I
• 32:20
  did
• 32:20
  a
• 32:20
  podcast
• 32:20
  with
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  science
• 32:21
  teacher
• 32:22
  and
• 32:22
  I
• 32:22
  said,
• 32:22
  oh,
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  know,
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  always
• 32:23
  feel
• 32:23
  a
• 32:23
  bit
• 32:24
  bad
• 32:24
  that
• 32:24
  they're
• 32:24
  missing
• 32:24
  out
• 32:24
  on
• 32:25
  practical.
• 32:25
  She
• 32:25
  said,
• 32:25
  you
• 32:25
  know,
• 32:26
  you're
• 32:26
  really
• 32:26
  overestimating
• 32:27
  how
• 32:27
  many
• 32:27
  practicals
• 32:28
  they
• 32:28
  actually
• 32:28
  do
• 32:28
  in
• 32:28
  school
• 32:29
  because
• 32:29
  there's
• 32:29
  no
• 32:29
  qualified
• 32:29
  teachers
• 32:30
  to
• 32:30
  do
• 32:30
  them.
• 32:31
  Yeah,
• 32:31
  I
• 32:32
  agree
• 32:32
  completely.
• 32:32
  I
• 32:32
  think
• 32:33
  that,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:34
  on
• 32:34
  one
• 32:34
  sense,
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  absolutely
• 32:35
  don't
• 32:35
  want
• 32:35
  to
• 32:36
  diminish
• 32:36
  any
• 32:36
  of
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  work
• 32:37
  that
• 32:37
  teachers
• 32:37
  do
• 32:37
  because
• 32:38
  I
• 32:38
  think
• 32:38
  that
• 32:38
  so
• 32:39
  many
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  them
• 32:39
  put
• 32:39
  their
• 32:39
  absolute
• 32:40
  heart
• 32:40
  and
• 32:40
  soul
• 32:40
  into
• 32:41
  the
• 32:41
  job
• 32:41
  and
• 32:41
  they
• 32:42
  really
• 32:42
  want
• 32:42
  children
• 32:42
  to
• 32:43
  get
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  most
• 32:43
  out
• 32:43
  of
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  teaching
• 32:44
  and
• 32:44
  have
• 32:45
  a
• 32:45
  wonderful
• 32:45
  experience.
• 32:45
  So
• 32:46
  there
• 32:46
  is
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  side
• 32:46
  of
• 32:47
  things
• 32:47
  which
• 32:47
  makes
• 32:48
  it
• 32:48
  so
• 32:48
  tricky
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  talk
• 32:48
  about.
• 32:50
  But
• 32:50
  on
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  other
• 32:51
  side,
• 32:51
  you
• 32:52
  have
• 32:52
  teachers
• 32:52
  increasingly
• 32:53
  on
• 32:53
  social
• 32:53
  media
• 32:54
  now
• 32:54
  and
• 32:54
  admitting
• 32:55
  the
• 32:55
  other
• 32:56
  side
• 32:56
  of
• 32:56
  it,
• 32:56
  which
• 32:56
  is
• 32:56
  they're
• 32:57
  googling
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  subjects
• 32:58
  before
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  lessons.
• 32:59
  You
• 32:59
  know,
• 32:59
  these
• 33:00
  wonderful
• 33:00
  resources
• 33:01
  that
• 33:01
  people
• 33:01
  see
• 33:02
  when
• 33:02
  they
• 33:02
  go
• 33:02
  and
• 33:02
  walk
• 33:02
  around
• 33:02
  the
• 33:03
  school.
• 33:03
  The
• 33:03
  music
• 33:03
  room
• 33:03
  and
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  sports
• 33:04
  facilities
• 33:04
  are
• 33:05
  barely
• 33:05
  used.
• 33:06
  Yeah.
• 33:07
  And
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  curriculum,
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  know,
• 33:07
  you're
• 33:08
  dividing
• 33:08
  it
• 33:08
  by
• 33:08
  30
• 33:09
  children.
• 33:10
  It
• 33:10
  is.
• 33:10
  You're
• 33:11
  not
• 33:11
  getting
• 33:11
  that
• 33:12
  one
• 33:12
  on
• 33:13
  one
• 33:13
  or
• 33:13
  even
• 33:14
  particularly
• 33:14
  quality
• 33:15
  teaching
• 33:15
  a
• 33:15
  lot
• 33:15
  of
• 33:15
  the
• 33:16
  time.
• 33:16
  And,
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  know,
• 33:17
  there
• 33:17
  are
• 33:17
  so
• 33:17
  Many
• 33:17
  children
• 33:18
  who
• 33:18
  don't
• 33:18
  understand
• 33:19
  the
• 33:19
  subject,
• 33:19
  but,
• 33:19
  oh,
• 33:20
  sorry,
• 33:20
  Bell's
• 33:20
  rung,
• 33:21
  time
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  move
• 33:21
  on.
• 33:22
  And
• 33:22
  because
• 33:23
  teachers
• 33:23
  are
• 33:23
  under
• 33:23
  resourced,
• 33:24
  they
• 33:25
  can't,
• 33:25
  they
• 33:25
  can't
• 33:25
  catch
• 33:25
  them
• 33:26
  up
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  they
• 33:26
  can't
• 33:26
  do
• 33:27
  that
• 33:27
  one
• 33:27
  on
• 33:27
  one
• 33:27
  attention
• 33:27
  that
• 33:28
  kids
• 33:28
  ultimately
• 33:29
  need.
• 33:29
  So,
• 33:30
  yeah,
• 33:30
  it's
• 33:30
  very
• 33:30
  hard
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  have
• 33:31
  this
• 33:31
  conversation
• 33:31
  because
• 33:31
  on
• 33:32
  one
• 33:32
  hand,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:33
  know,
• 33:33
  teachers
• 33:33
  do
• 33:34
  a
• 33:34
  very
• 33:35
  difficult
• 33:35
  job
• 33:35
  in
• 33:36
  very
• 33:36
  difficult
• 33:36
  circumstances.
• 33:37
  And
• 33:37
  on
• 33:37
  the
• 33:37
  other
• 33:37
  hand,
• 33:38
  we
• 33:38
  need
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  be
• 33:38
  radically
• 33:38
  honest
• 33:39
  about
• 33:39
  what
• 33:40
  they're
• 33:40
  actually
• 33:40
  being
• 33:40
  asked
• 33:41
  to
• 33:41
  do,
• 33:41
  which
• 33:41
  is
• 33:42
  not
• 33:42
  what
• 33:42
  the
• 33:42
  kids
• 33:42
  need.
• 33:43
  And
• 33:43
  I
• 33:43
  think
• 33:43
  that's
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  really
• 33:44
  hard
• 33:44
  truth
• 33:45
  to
• 33:45
  swallow,
• 33:46
  that
• 33:46
  ultimately
• 33:47
  there
• 33:47
  are
• 33:47
  all
• 33:48
  these
• 33:48
  people
• 33:49
  that
• 33:49
  are
• 33:49
  being
• 33:49
  told
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  do
• 33:50
  something
• 33:51
  that
• 33:51
  is
• 33:51
  ultimately
• 33:53
  not
• 33:53
  as
• 33:53
  beneficial
• 33:54
  as,
• 33:54
  as
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  marketed.
• 33:56
  Yeah.
• 33:56
  If
• 33:57
  not
• 33:57
  actively
• 33:57
  harmful.
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  did
• 33:58
  a
• 33:58
  podcast
• 33:59
  with
• 33:59
  Naomi
• 34:00
  Fisher
• 34:00
  about
• 34:01
  how
• 34:01
  building
• 34:02
  anxiety
• 34:02
  in
• 34:02
  children
• 34:03
  is
• 34:03
  built
• 34:03
  into
• 34:04
  the
• 34:05
  school
• 34:05
  system.
• 34:05
  Because
• 34:05
  that's
• 34:06
  how
• 34:06
  you,
• 34:06
  that's
• 34:07
  how
• 34:07
  you
• 34:07
  control
• 34:07
  the
• 34:07
  children
• 34:08
  with
• 34:08
  the,
• 34:08
  you
• 34:09
  know,
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  marks
• 34:09
  on
• 34:09
  the
• 34:10
  board,
• 34:10
  the,
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  kind
• 34:11
  of
• 34:12
  reward
• 34:12
  and
• 34:12
  punishment
• 34:12
  stuff.
• 34:13
  Talking
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  the
• 34:14
  school
• 34:14
  system,
• 34:15
  which
• 34:15
  is
• 34:15
  a
• 34:16
  bit
• 34:16
  weird
• 34:16
  in
• 34:16
  a
• 34:16
  home
• 34:16
  education
• 34:17
  podcast,
• 34:17
  but
• 34:17
  actually
• 34:18
  I
• 34:18
  don't
• 34:18
  do
• 34:18
  a
• 34:18
  lot
• 34:19
  of
• 34:19
  it
• 34:19
  and
• 34:19
  I
• 34:19
  would
• 34:19
  really
• 34:20
  like
• 34:20
  at
• 34:20
  some
• 34:20
  point
• 34:20
  you
• 34:20
  and
• 34:20
  I
• 34:21
  to
• 34:21
  do
• 34:21
  a
• 34:21
  podcast
• 34:21
  about
• 34:23
  how
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  school
• 34:23
  system
• 34:23
  is
• 34:24
  broken,
• 34:24
  because
• 34:24
  I've
• 34:25
  got
• 34:25
  quite
• 34:25
  a
• 34:25
  lot
• 34:25
  to
• 34:25
  say
• 34:25
  about
• 34:25
  that
• 34:26
  and
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  suspect
• 34:26
  you
• 34:26
  have
• 34:27
  to.
• 34:27
  However,
• 34:28
  one
• 34:28
  thing
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  hear
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  lot
• 34:29
  is,
• 34:29
  and
• 34:30
  this
• 34:30
  is
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  most
• 34:30
  common
• 34:31
  from
• 34:31
  fathers
• 34:32
  I
• 34:32
  hear,
• 34:32
  okay,
• 34:33
  is
• 34:33
  the
• 34:34
  reason
• 34:34
  they
• 34:34
  don't
• 34:34
  want
• 34:34
  to
• 34:34
  home
• 34:35
  educate
• 34:35
  or
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  excuse
• 34:36
  they
• 34:36
  use
• 34:36
  for
• 34:36
  not
• 34:36
  doing
• 34:36
  it
• 34:37
  is
• 34:37
  that
• 34:37
  actually
• 34:37
  the
• 34:38
  bullying
• 34:39
  or
• 34:39
  the
• 34:39
  challenges
• 34:40
  of
• 34:40
  the
• 34:40
  school
• 34:40
  system
• 34:41
  are
• 34:41
  actually
• 34:42
  a
• 34:42
  good
• 34:42
  thing
• 34:43
  for
• 34:43
  children
• 34:43
  to
• 34:43
  experience.
• 34:44
  It
• 34:44
  builds
• 34:44
  up
• 34:44
  their
• 34:44
  resilience,
• 34:45
  it
• 34:45
  prepares
• 34:46
  them
• 34:46
  for
• 34:46
  everyday
• 34:47
  life.
• 34:47
  You
• 34:48
  know,
• 34:48
  how
• 34:48
  will
• 34:48
  they
• 34:48
  get
• 34:48
  a
• 34:48
  9
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  5
• 34:49
  job
• 34:49
  if
• 34:49
  they
• 34:49
  don't
• 34:50
  get
• 34:50
  up
• 34:50
  and
• 34:51
  go
• 34:51
  to
• 34:51
  school
• 34:51
  and
• 34:52
  get
• 34:52
  belittled
• 34:53
  and
• 34:53
  shouted
• 34:53
  at
• 34:53
  and
• 34:54
  bullied.
• 34:54
  Yeah.
• 34:55
  So
• 34:56
  0%
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  those
• 34:57
  people
• 34:58
  have
• 34:58
  ever
• 34:58
  read
• 34:58
  an
• 34:59
  article
• 34:59
  on
• 34:59
  resilience.
• 35:00
  Because
• 35:00
  if
• 35:00
  you,
• 35:00
  if
• 35:00
  you
• 35:01
  type
• 35:01
  into
• 35:01
  Google,
• 35:01
  how
• 35:02
  do
• 35:02
  you
• 35:02
  build
• 35:02
  resilience?
• 35:03
  One
• 35:03
  of
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  first
• 35:03
  articles
• 35:04
  you're
• 35:04
  going
• 35:04
  to
• 35:04
  get
• 35:04
  is
• 35:04
  from
• 35:04
  Harvard
• 35:05
  University
• 35:06
  where
• 35:06
  they
• 35:07
  find
• 35:07
  that
• 35:08
  the
• 35:08
  number
• 35:08
  one
• 35:09
  thing
• 35:09
  that
• 35:09
  children
• 35:10
  need
• 35:10
  to
• 35:10
  build
• 35:10
  resilience
• 35:11
  is
• 35:11
  a
• 35:11
  loving,
• 35:12
  present,
• 35:12
  consistent
• 35:13
  parent
• 35:13
  attachment
• 35:14
  figure.
• 35:15
  So
• 35:15
  I
• 35:15
  would
• 35:15
  say
• 35:15
  that
• 35:16
  I
• 35:16
  find
• 35:16
  it
• 35:16
  very
• 35:17
  hard
• 35:17
  to
• 35:17
  take
• 35:17
  those
• 35:18
  arguments
• 35:18
  seriously.
• 35:19
  I
• 35:19
  think
• 35:19
  that
• 35:19
  sometimes,
• 35:20
  sometimes
• 35:21
  it
• 35:21
  is,
• 35:21
  unfortunately,
• 35:22
  with
• 35:22
  the
• 35:22
  best
• 35:22
  of
• 35:22
  intentions.
• 35:23
  You
• 35:23
  know,
• 35:24
  people
• 35:24
  think
• 35:25
  life
• 35:25
  is
• 35:25
  hard
• 35:26
  and
• 35:26
  of
• 35:26
  course
• 35:26
  it's
• 35:26
  hard.
• 35:26
  There
• 35:27
  are
• 35:27
  lots
• 35:27
  of
• 35:27
  hard
• 35:27
  aspects
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  life
• 35:28
  and
• 35:29
  they,
• 35:29
  they
• 35:29
  think,
• 35:29
  you
• 35:30
  know,
• 35:30
  their
• 35:30
  kid
• 35:30
  needs
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  go
• 35:31
  through
• 35:31
  an,
• 35:31
  essentially
• 35:32
  a
• 35:32
  horrible
• 35:32
  experience
• 35:33
  to
• 35:33
  Prepare
• 35:33
  them
• 35:33
  for
• 35:33
  a
• 35:34
  horrible
• 35:34
  life
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  is
• 35:35
  really,
• 35:36
  is
• 35:36
  incredibly
• 35:36
  sad.
• 35:37
  I
• 35:37
  also
• 35:37
  think
• 35:38
  that
• 35:39
  some
• 35:39
  of
• 35:40
  it
• 35:40
  is
• 35:40
  completely
• 35:40
  lazy
• 35:41
  parenting.
• 35:41
  It's
• 35:41
  very
• 35:42
  easy
• 35:42
  to
• 35:42
  just
• 35:42
  accept
• 35:43
  a
• 35:43
  situation
• 35:43
  that
• 35:44
  is
• 35:44
  rubbish
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  requires
• 35:45
  you
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  do
• 35:45
  nothing
• 35:46
  if
• 35:46
  you
• 35:46
  think
• 35:47
  you
• 35:47
  can
• 35:48
  get
• 35:48
  away
• 35:48
  with
• 35:48
  saying
• 35:48
  it's
• 35:49
  part
• 35:49
  of
• 35:49
  good
• 35:49
  parenting
• 35:50
  or
• 35:50
  part
• 35:50
  of
• 35:50
  what
• 35:51
  children
• 35:51
  need.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:52
  I
• 35:52
  think
• 35:52
  this
• 35:52
  whole
• 35:52
  thing
• 35:52
  about
• 35:53
  what
• 35:53
  children
• 35:53
  need
• 35:54
  has
• 35:54
  been
• 35:55
  used
• 35:55
  to
• 35:55
  justify
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  heck
• 35:56
  of
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  lot
• 35:56
  is
• 35:57
  absolutely
• 35:57
  not
• 35:58
  what
• 35:58
  they
• 35:58
  need
• 35:58
  at
• 35:58
  all.
• 35:59
  You
• 35:59
  know,
• 35:59
  I
• 36:00
  don't
• 36:00
  think
• 36:01
  who
• 36:01
  needs
• 36:01
  to
• 36:02
  put
• 36:02
  on
• 36:02
  a
• 36:02
  uniform
• 36:03
  for
• 36:03
  12
• 36:03
  years
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  learn
• 36:04
  how
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  wear
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  uniform
• 36:05
  or
• 36:05
  get
• 36:05
  up
• 36:06
  at,
• 36:06
  you
• 36:06
  know,
• 36:06
  at
• 36:07
  6:30
• 36:07
  or
• 36:07
  whatever
• 36:08
  with
• 36:08
  an
• 36:08
  alarm
• 36:08
  clock
• 36:09
  to
• 36:09
  learn
• 36:09
  how
• 36:09
  to
• 36:10
  get
• 36:10
  up
• 36:10
  with
• 36:10
  an
• 36:10
  alarm
• 36:10
  clock?
• 36:11
  You
• 36:11
  can
• 36:11
  learn
• 36:11
  that
• 36:11
  in
• 36:11
  two
• 36:11
  seconds.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:13
  what
• 36:13
  children
• 36:13
  are
• 36:13
  really
• 36:13
  learning
• 36:14
  is
• 36:14
  conformity
• 36:15
  and
• 36:15
  obedience.
• 36:16
  And
• 36:18
  increasingly
• 36:19
  we
• 36:19
  live
• 36:19
  in
• 36:19
  such
• 36:19
  a
• 36:19
  crazy
• 36:20
  world
• 36:20
  in
• 36:20
  terms
• 36:21
  of
• 36:21
  income
• 36:21
  and
• 36:21
  jobs
• 36:22
  now,
• 36:22
  where
• 36:23
  we
• 36:23
  have
• 36:23
  never
• 36:24
  had
• 36:24
  more
• 36:24
  opportunity
• 36:25
  to
• 36:25
  build
• 36:25
  your
• 36:25
  own
• 36:26
  income
• 36:26
  streams
• 36:27
  from
• 36:27
  various
• 36:28
  ways.
• 36:28
  We've
• 36:28
  got
• 36:28
  AI
• 36:29
  coming
• 36:29
  for
• 36:29
  all
• 36:30
  it's
• 36:30
  good
• 36:30
  and
• 36:30
  bad.
• 36:31
  That's
• 36:31
  going
• 36:31
  to
• 36:32
  be
• 36:32
  the
• 36:33
  next.
• 36:34
  There
• 36:34
  was
• 36:34
  the
• 36:34
  Industrial
• 36:35
  Revolution,
• 36:35
  there's
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  office
• 36:37
  movement
• 36:38
  to
• 36:38
  back
• 36:38
  in
• 36:39
  offices
• 36:39
  and
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  next
• 36:39
  one's
• 36:40
  AI.
• 36:41
  And
• 36:41
  that's
• 36:41
  going
• 36:41
  to
• 36:41
  change
• 36:42
  the
• 36:42
  work
• 36:43
  environment
• 36:44
  hugely
• 36:44
  in
• 36:44
  the
• 36:45
  landscape.
• 36:46
  So
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  think
• 36:47
  this
• 36:47
  idea
• 36:47
  that
• 36:47
  children
• 36:48
  need
• 36:48
  to
• 36:48
  be
• 36:48
  essentially
• 36:49
  prepared
• 36:49
  for
• 36:49
  office
• 36:49
  life
• 36:50
  is
• 36:51
  honestly
• 36:51
  insane.
• 36:51
  It's
• 36:52
  like
• 36:52
  saying
• 36:52
  we
• 36:52
  need
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  prepare
• 36:53
  them
• 36:53
  to
• 36:53
  fight
• 36:53
  dinosaurs.
• 36:54
  We
• 36:54
  don't
• 36:55
  even
• 36:55
  know
• 36:55
  what
• 36:55
  jobs
• 36:55
  they'll
• 36:56
  be
• 36:56
  doing.
• 36:56
  Those
• 36:57
  jobs
• 36:57
  haven't
• 36:57
  been
• 36:57
  invented
• 36:58
  yet.
• 36:58
  And
• 36:59
  it's
• 36:59
  extremely
• 37:00
  unlikely
• 37:00
  that
• 37:01
  all
• 37:01
  of
• 37:01
  these
• 37:01
  children
• 37:02
  are
• 37:02
  going
• 37:02
  to
• 37:02
  end
• 37:02
  up
• 37:02
  in
• 37:03
  nine
• 37:03
  to
• 37:03
  five
• 37:04
  uniform
• 37:04
  jobs.
• 37:06
  So
• 37:06
  it
• 37:06
  just
• 37:06
  doesn't
• 37:06
  make
• 37:06
  sense.
• 37:07
  It's
• 37:07
  like
• 37:07
  we
• 37:07
  might
• 37:07
  as
• 37:07
  well
• 37:08
  say
• 37:08
  we
• 37:08
  need
• 37:08
  to
• 37:08
  wake
• 37:08
  them
• 37:08
  up
• 37:08
  at
• 37:09
  8pm,
• 37:10
  have
• 37:10
  them
• 37:10
  stay
• 37:10
  up
• 37:10
  all
• 37:11
  night
• 37:11
  and
• 37:11
  go
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  bed
• 37:11
  at
• 37:11
  4am
• 37:12
  in
• 37:12
  case
• 37:12
  they
• 37:12
  become
• 37:12
  a
• 37:13
  shift
• 37:13
  worker.
• 37:14
  You
• 37:14
  know,
• 37:14
  where
• 37:15
  does
• 37:15
  it
• 37:15
  end
• 37:15
  with
• 37:16
  this
• 37:16
  preparation
• 37:17
  for
• 37:17
  adult
• 37:17
  life?
• 37:18
  Why
• 37:18
  can't
• 37:18
  childhood
• 37:18
  just
• 37:19
  be
• 37:19
  a
• 37:19
  valid
• 37:20
  time
• 37:20
  period
• 37:21
  in
• 37:22
  and
• 37:22
  of
• 37:22
  itself,
• 37:22
  which
• 37:22
  it
• 37:23
  should
• 37:23
  be.
• 37:24
  It's
• 37:24
  interesting,
• 37:25
  isn't
• 37:25
  it,
• 37:25
  this
• 37:25
  idea
• 37:25
  that
• 37:26
  we
• 37:26
  need
• 37:26
  to
• 37:27
  slightly
• 37:28
  brutalize
• 37:28
  our
• 37:28
  children
• 37:29
  to
• 37:29
  prepare
• 37:30
  them
• 37:30
  for
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  world
• 37:30
  that
• 37:31
  in
• 37:31
  reality,
• 37:32
  if
• 37:32
  we
• 37:32
  experience
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  kind
• 37:33
  of
• 37:33
  conditions
• 37:34
  they
• 37:34
  experience
• 37:34
  in
• 37:34
  school,
• 37:35
  having
• 37:35
  to
• 37:35
  put
• 37:35
  your
• 37:35
  hand
• 37:35
  up
• 37:36
  to
• 37:36
  go
• 37:36
  to
• 37:36
  the
• 37:36
  toilet.
• 37:36
  My
• 37:36
  daughter
• 37:37
  was
• 37:37
  told
• 37:37
  she
• 37:37
  couldn't
• 37:37
  go
• 37:37
  to
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  toilet
• 37:38
  more
• 37:38
  than
• 37:39
  three
• 37:39
  times
• 37:39
  in
• 37:39
  a
• 37:39
  day.
• 37:40
  And
• 37:40
  when
• 37:40
  she
• 37:40
  said,
• 37:40
  what
• 37:41
  about
• 37:41
  if
• 37:41
  you're
• 37:41
  on
• 37:41
  your
• 37:41
  period?
• 37:42
  The
• 37:42
  woman
• 37:42
  said,
• 37:43
  well,
• 37:43
  I'm
• 37:43
  a
• 37:43
  woman
• 37:43
  and
• 37:44
  I
• 37:44
  know
• 37:44
  that
• 37:44
  three
• 37:44
  times
• 37:44
  is
• 37:45
  adequate.
• 37:45
  And
• 37:45
  I
• 37:45
  just
• 37:45
  thought,
• 37:46
  God,
• 37:46
  I
• 37:46
  really
• 37:47
  hate
• 37:47
  all
• 37:48
  of
• 37:48
  that.
• 37:48
  However,
• 37:49
  this,
• 37:50
  this
• 37:50
  idea
• 37:50
  about,
• 37:51
  you
• 37:52
  know,
• 37:52
  sort
• 37:52
  of
• 37:52
  preparing
• 37:53
  your
• 37:53
  child
• 37:53
  to
• 37:54
  be
• 37:54
  resilient
• 37:55
  by
• 37:55
  traumatizing
• 37:56
  them,
• 37:56
  which
• 37:57
  as
• 37:57
  a
• 37:57
  therapist
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  can
• 37:58
  safely
• 37:58
  say,
• 38:00
  yeah,
• 38:00
  that
• 38:00
  doesn't
• 38:00
  work.
• 38:00
  It
• 38:01
  gets
• 38:01
  me
• 38:01
  loads
• 38:02
  of
• 38:02
  clients,
• 38:02
  but
• 38:02
  it
• 38:02
  doesn't
• 38:02
  work,
• 38:03
  unfortunately.
• 38:04
  But
• 38:04
  I
• 38:05
  actually
• 38:05
  did
• 38:05
  a
• 38:05
  spin
• 38:05
  off
• 38:06
  podcast
• 38:06
  series
• 38:06
  as
• 38:06
  part
• 38:07
  of
• 38:07
  this
• 38:07
  one
• 38:07
  with
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  dog
• 38:08
  behaviorist
• 38:08
  because
• 38:09
  I
• 38:09
  found
• 38:09
  it
• 38:09
  so
• 38:10
  interesting
• 38:10
  that
• 38:11
  our
• 38:11
  approach
• 38:11
  to
• 38:12
  dogs
• 38:13
  and
• 38:14
  the
• 38:14
  way
• 38:14
  we
• 38:14
  interact
• 38:15
  with
• 38:15
  dogs
• 38:15
  has
• 38:15
  advanced
• 38:16
  so
• 38:16
  much
• 38:16
  in
• 38:17
  the
• 38:17
  last
• 38:17
  10
• 38:17
  years
• 38:18
  alone,
• 38:18
  where
• 38:19
  it's
• 38:19
  now
• 38:19
  not
• 38:20
  about
• 38:20
  punishment,
• 38:21
  it's
• 38:21
  much
• 38:21
  more
• 38:22
  about
• 38:22
  building
• 38:23
  good
• 38:23
  behavior
• 38:24
  skills
• 38:24
  and
• 38:24
  rewarding
• 38:25
  good
• 38:25
  behavior
• 38:26
  and
• 38:26
  trying
• 38:26
  to
• 38:27
  encourage
• 38:27
  choice.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:29
  I
• 38:29
  thought
• 38:29
  as
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  was
• 38:30
  talking
• 38:30
  to
• 38:30
  her,
• 38:31
  I
• 38:31
  was
• 38:31
  thinking,
• 38:31
  isn't
• 38:31
  it
• 38:31
  bit
• 38:31
  interesting
• 38:32
  that
• 38:32
  we
• 38:33
  don't
• 38:33
  seem
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  have
• 38:33
  made
• 38:34
  this
• 38:34
  shift
• 38:34
  with,
• 38:34
  with
• 38:35
  children,
• 38:35
  particularly
• 38:35
  in
• 38:35
  the
• 38:36
  school
• 38:36
  system.
• 38:36
  It's
• 38:36
  mad.
• 38:37
  Yet
• 38:37
  we
• 38:37
  do
• 38:37
  it
• 38:37
  with
• 38:37
  our
• 38:37
  dogs.
• 38:38
  Absolutely,
• 38:40
  absolutely.
• 38:41
  We
• 38:41
  went
• 38:41
  traveling
• 38:42
  back
• 38:42
  in
• 38:42
  2018.
• 38:43
  People
• 38:43
  who
• 38:43
  follow
• 38:44
  me
• 38:44
  for
• 38:44
  years
• 38:44
  will
• 38:45
  remember
• 38:45
  we
• 38:45
  went
• 38:45
  around
• 38:45
  Asia
• 38:46
  backpacking.
• 38:46
  It
• 38:46
  was
• 38:47
  absolutely
• 38:47
  mental.
• 38:48
  And,
• 38:49
  and
• 38:49
  we
• 38:49
  stayed
• 38:50
  with
• 38:50
  a
• 38:50
  family
• 38:50
  who
• 38:51
  had
• 38:51
  a,
• 38:51
  I
• 38:51
  think
• 38:52
  it
• 38:52
  was
• 38:52
  a
• 38:52
  Rottweiler.
• 38:53
  So
• 38:54
  traditionally
• 38:54
  a
• 38:54
  dog
• 38:55
  that
• 38:55
  would
• 38:55
  be
• 38:55
  seen
• 38:55
  to
• 38:55
  be,
• 38:56
  you
• 38:56
  know,
• 38:56
  maybe
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  little
• 38:56
  bit
• 38:56
  of
• 38:56
  a
• 38:57
  risk.
• 38:57
  He
• 38:57
  was
• 38:57
  an
• 38:57
  absolute
• 38:57
  teddy
• 38:57
  bear.
• 38:58
  It
• 38:58
  was
• 38:58
  lovely.
• 38:58
  And
• 38:59
  they,
• 38:59
  and
• 38:59
  I
• 39:00
  remember
• 39:00
  asking
• 39:00
  something
• 39:00
  about
• 39:01
  pack
• 39:01
  behavior
• 39:02
  or
• 39:02
  I
• 39:02
  mentioned
• 39:02
  something
• 39:03
  where
• 39:03
  Alpha.
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  was
• 39:03
  just
• 39:04
  interested
• 39:04
  in
• 39:04
  how
• 39:04
  they
• 39:04
  were
• 39:04
  interacting
• 39:05
  with
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  dog
• 39:05
  and
• 39:05
  they
• 39:05
  said,
• 39:05
  oh,
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  don't,
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  don't
• 39:06
  do
• 39:06
  that.
• 39:07
  That's
• 39:07
  outdated.
• 39:08
  Now
• 39:08
  this
• 39:09
  couple,
• 39:09
  they
• 39:09
  run
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  charity
• 39:10
  for
• 39:10
  street
• 39:11
  dogs
• 39:11
  in
• 39:11
  Sri
• 39:11
  Lanka.
• 39:11
  They're
• 39:12
  amazing
• 39:12
  and
• 39:12
  they
• 39:12
  knew
• 39:13
  a
• 39:13
  lot
• 39:13
  about
• 39:13
  it.
• 39:13
  And
• 39:14
  even
• 39:14
  back
• 39:14
  then
• 39:15
  the
• 39:15
  tide
• 39:15
  had
• 39:15
  turned
• 39:16
  with,
• 39:16
  with
• 39:16
  dog
• 39:17
  behavior,
• 39:17
  with
• 39:17
  animal
• 39:17
  behavior.
• 39:18
  You
• 39:18
  know,
• 39:19
  we're
• 39:19
  not
• 39:19
  using
• 39:19
  punishments
• 39:20
  where
• 39:21
  we're
• 39:21
  not
• 39:21
  trying
• 39:21
  to
• 39:21
  control
• 39:22
  with
• 39:22
  fear.
• 39:23
  And
• 39:23
  also
• 39:24
  really
• 39:24
  interestingly,
• 39:25
  when
• 39:25
  I,
• 39:25
  we've
• 39:25
  got
• 39:26
  a
• 39:26
  rescue
• 39:26
  dog
• 39:26
  and
• 39:26
  when
• 39:27
  I
• 39:27
  was
• 39:27
  researching
• 39:27
  her,
• 39:28
  what
• 39:29
  we'd
• 39:29
  need
• 39:29
  to
• 39:29
  bring
• 39:29
  her
• 39:30
  over,
• 39:32
  it
• 39:32
  was
• 39:32
  about
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  types
• 39:33
  of
• 39:33
  play
• 39:34
  that
• 39:34
  were
• 39:34
  really
• 39:35
  good
• 39:35
  for
• 39:35
  her
• 39:35
  species.
• 39:36
  So
• 39:36
  she's
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  play
• 39:37
  based
• 39:37
  learning.
• 39:38
  Exactly.
• 39:38
  So
• 39:39
  why
• 39:39
  on
• 39:39
  earth
• 39:39
  are
• 39:40
  we
• 39:40
  putting
• 39:40
  all
• 39:40
  this
• 39:40
  effort
• 39:41
  into.
• 39:41
  Well,
• 39:41
  actually,
• 39:41
  you
• 39:41
  know,
• 39:42
  we
• 39:42
  should
• 39:42
  be
• 39:42
  putting
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  stocks,
• 39:42
  but
• 39:43
  why
• 39:43
  aren't
• 39:43
  we
• 39:43
  putting
• 39:43
  it
• 39:44
  into
• 39:44
  our
• 39:44
  children?
• 39:45
  I
• 39:45
  think
• 39:46
  that
• 39:46
  the,
• 39:46
  the
• 39:47
  kind
• 39:47
  of
• 39:47
  irony
• 39:48
  is
• 39:48
  that
• 39:48
  so
• 39:48
  many
• 39:48
  teachers,
• 39:49
  especially
• 39:49
  early
• 39:49
  years
• 39:50
  teachers,
• 39:50
  they
• 39:50
  know
• 39:50
  this
• 39:51
  and
• 39:51
  they
• 39:51
  know
• 39:51
  that
• 39:51
  children
• 39:52
  should
• 39:52
  just
• 39:52
  be
• 39:52
  playing
• 39:53
  free
• 39:53
  play,
• 39:53
  not
• 39:54
  adult
• 39:55
  directed
• 39:55
  play,
• 39:56
  but
• 39:56
  real,
• 39:56
  genuine
• 39:57
  free
• 39:57
  play,
• 39:58
  kind
• 39:58
  of
• 39:58
  unlimited
• 39:59
  time.
• 39:59
  And,
• 40:00
  and
• 40:00
  they're
• 40:00
  not
• 40:00
  allowed
• 40:00
  to
• 40:00
  do
• 40:01
  it.
• 40:01
  They're
• 40:01
  actually
• 40:01
  not
• 40:01
  allowed
• 40:02
  to
• 40:02
  do
• 40:02
  the
• 40:02
  job
• 40:02
  they
• 40:02
  want
• 40:02
  to
• 40:03
  do.
• 40:03
  It
• 40:04
  is
• 40:04
  completely
• 40:05
  bizarre.
• 40:05
  And
• 40:05
  I
• 40:05
  just,
• 40:06
  I
• 40:07
  find
• 40:07
  it
• 40:07
  really
• 40:07
  difficult
• 40:08
  when
• 40:08
  adults
• 40:08
  are
• 40:09
  maintaining
• 40:09
  this,
• 40:10
  this
• 40:10
  system.
• 40:10
  There
• 40:10
  are
• 40:10
  lots
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  teachers
• 40:11
  who
• 40:11
  don't
• 40:12
  agree
• 40:12
  with
• 40:12
  it
• 40:12
  and
• 40:12
  they
• 40:12
  are
• 40:12
  leaving
• 40:13
  the
• 40:13
  profession.
• 40:13
  And
• 40:13
  it
• 40:13
  means
• 40:14
  that
• 40:14
  we've
• 40:14
  got
• 40:14
  the,
• 40:14
  the
• 40:14
  best
• 40:15
  teachers
• 40:15
  are
• 40:15
  leaving
• 40:16
  because
• 40:16
  they
• 40:16
  know
• 40:17
  what
• 40:17
  children
• 40:17
  should
• 40:17
  be
• 40:18
  doing
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  what's
• 40:18
  best
• 40:18
  for
• 40:18
  them.
• 40:19
  You've
• 40:19
  then
• 40:19
  got
• 40:20
  these
• 40:20
  people
• 40:20
  like
• 40:20
  that
• 40:20
  lady
• 40:21
  who
• 40:21
  said
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  your
• 40:21
  daughter,
• 40:22
  well,
• 40:22
  I'm
• 40:22
  a
• 40:22
  woman
• 40:22
  and
• 40:23
  three
• 40:23
  times
• 40:23
  a
• 40:23
  day,
• 40:24
  why
• 40:24
  are
• 40:24
  you
• 40:24
  lying
• 40:25
  on
• 40:25
  behalf
• 40:25
  of
• 40:25
  the
• 40:25
  system?
• 40:26
  Why
• 40:26
  are
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  propping
• 40:26
  it
• 40:26
  up
• 40:27
  for
• 40:27
  them?
• 40:27
  And
• 40:27
  that's
• 40:28
  the.
• 40:28
  One
• 40:28
  of
• 40:28
  my
• 40:28
  concerns
• 40:29
  is
• 40:29
  that
• 40:29
  there
• 40:29
  are
• 40:29
  people
• 40:30
  who
• 40:30
  will
• 40:30
  maintain
• 40:30
  this
• 40:31
  system
• 40:31
  who
• 40:31
  are
• 40:32
  willing
• 40:33
  to
• 40:34
  sacrifice
• 40:34
  kids
• 40:35
  wellbeing
• 40:35
  essentially
• 40:36
  for
• 40:36
  their
• 40:36
  own
• 40:36
  job.
• 40:37
  And
• 40:37
  I
• 40:37
  find
• 40:38
  that
• 40:38
  really
• 40:38
  disturbing.
• 40:39
  Yeah,
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  mean,
• 40:40
  I'm
• 40:41
  a
• 40:41
  trained
• 40:41
  teacher
• 40:42
  and
• 40:42
  my
• 40:42
  ex
• 40:42
  husband
• 40:43
  is
• 40:43
  still
• 40:43
  a
• 40:43
  teacher.
• 40:44
  And
• 40:44
  so
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  know
• 40:45
  a
• 40:45
  lot
• 40:45
  of
• 40:45
  teachers
• 40:45
  and
• 40:46
  I
• 40:46
  would
• 40:46
  say
• 40:46
  like
• 40:46
  99%
• 40:48
  of
• 40:48
  them
• 40:49
  fall
• 40:49
  into
• 40:49
  that
• 40:49
  category
• 40:50
  where
• 40:50
  they're
• 40:50
  either
• 40:51
  just
• 40:51
  shackled
• 40:51
  by
• 40:51
  a
• 40:51
  crappy
• 40:52
  school
• 40:52
  system
• 40:52
  or
• 40:53
  they,
• 40:53
  or
• 40:53
  they
• 40:54
  genuinely
• 40:54
  want
• 40:54
  to
• 40:55
  make
• 40:55
  changes
• 40:55
  or
• 40:55
  whatever.
• 40:56
  But
• 40:56
  there
• 40:56
  is
• 40:56
  1%,
• 40:57
  isn't
• 40:57
  there,
• 40:57
  of
• 40:58
  teachers
• 40:58
  who
• 40:58
  just
• 40:58
  don't
• 40:59
  seem
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  like
• 40:59
  children.
• 41:00
  And
• 41:00
  it
• 41:00
  makes
• 41:01
  me
• 41:01
  constantly
• 41:02
  question
• 41:02
  why
• 41:02
  they're
• 41:03
  actually
• 41:03
  in
• 41:03
  the
• 41:03
  job
• 41:03
  they're
• 41:04
  in.
• 41:04
  Okay,
• 41:04
  so
• 41:04
  anyway,
• 41:05
  I
• 41:05
  really
• 41:06
  could
• 41:06
  rant
• 41:06
  about
• 41:06
  school,
• 41:07
  but
• 41:07
  I
• 41:07
  won't.
• 41:07
  We'll
• 41:07
  do
• 41:08
  another
• 41:08
  podcast.
• 41:09
  Exactly.
• 41:10
  To
• 41:10
  finish
• 41:10
  up,
• 41:11
  what
• 41:11
  would
• 41:11
  be
• 41:11
  your
• 41:12
  top
• 41:13
  piece
• 41:13
  of
• 41:13
  advice
• 41:14
  as
• 41:14
  a
• 41:14
  long
• 41:14
  term
• 41:14
  home
• 41:15
  educator?
• 41:15
  What
• 41:15
  would
• 41:15
  be
• 41:16
  your
• 41:16
  top
• 41:16
  piece
• 41:16
  of
• 41:16
  advice
• 41:17
  for
• 41:17
  somebody
• 41:18
  who
• 41:18
  is
• 41:18
  home
• 41:19
  educating?
• 41:19
  Maybe
• 41:19
  they've
• 41:19
  just
• 41:20
  started,
• 41:20
  maybe
• 41:20
  they're
• 41:20
  well
• 41:21
  on
• 41:21
  their
• 41:21
  way.
• 41:21
  What
• 41:21
  would
• 41:21
  be
• 41:21
  your,
• 41:22
  your
• 41:22
  single
• 41:23
  nugget
• 41:23
  for
• 41:23
  them?
• 41:24
  It
• 41:24
  would
• 41:25
  be
• 41:25
  to
• 41:25
  give
• 41:25
  yourself
• 41:26
  a
• 41:26
  lot
• 41:26
  of
• 41:26
  grace.
• 41:27
  You
• 41:27
  can
• 41:27
  only
• 41:27
  do
• 41:28
  your
• 41:28
  best.
• 41:29
  At
• 41:29
  the
• 41:29
  same
• 41:30
  time,
• 41:30
  keep
• 41:30
  an
• 41:30
  open
• 41:31
  mind
• 41:31
  because
• 41:31
  there
• 41:32
  are
• 41:32
  probably
• 41:32
  answers
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  the
• 41:34
  issues,
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  problems,
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  questions
• 41:35
  that
• 41:35
  you've
• 41:36
  got,
• 41:37
  and
• 41:38
  those
• 41:38
  solutions
• 41:39
  have
• 41:39
  already
• 41:39
  been
• 41:39
  found
• 41:39
  by
• 41:40
  someone
• 41:40
  in
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  home
• 41:40
  ed
• 41:41
  community.
• 41:42
  So
• 41:42
  it's
• 41:42
  very
• 41:42
  likely
• 41:43
  that
• 41:43
  you
• 41:43
  will
• 41:44
  be
• 41:44
  able
• 41:44
  to
• 41:44
  find
• 41:45
  an
• 41:45
  answer.
• 41:47
  Yeah,
• 41:47
  that's
• 41:47
  good
• 41:48
  advice.
• 41:48
  Okay,
• 41:48
  so
• 41:49
  for
• 41:49
  any
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  our
• 41:49
  listeners
• 41:50
  who
• 41:50
  aren't
• 41:50
  already
• 41:51
  following
• 41:51
  you
• 41:51
  on
• 41:52
  Instagram
• 41:52
  or
• 41:52
  TikTok,
• 41:53
  could
• 41:53
  you
• 41:53
  let
• 41:54
  know
• 41:54
  where
• 41:55
  they
• 41:55
  can
• 41:55
  find
• 41:55
  you?
• 41:55
  Sure.
• 41:56
  Thank
• 41:56
  you.
• 41:56
  So
• 41:56
  my
• 41:57
  handles
• 41:57
  on
• 41:57
  Instagram
• 41:58
  and
• 41:58
  TikTok
• 41:59
  are
• 41:59
  thriving
• 41:59
  with
• 41:59
  Hannah.
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  do
• 42:00
  have
• 42:01
  a
• 42:01
  YouTube,
• 42:01
  which
• 42:01
  is
• 42:01
  Hannah
• 42:02
  Home
• 42:02
  Educates,
• 42:02
  because
• 42:03
  I
• 42:03
  never
• 42:03
  switched
• 42:03
  it
• 42:03
  over.
• 42:04
  And
• 42:04
  yeah,
• 42:05
  you
• 42:05
  can
• 42:05
  find
• 42:05
  me
• 42:05
  on
• 42:05
  there
• 42:05
  sharing
• 42:06
  all
• 42:06
  kinds
• 42:06
  of,
• 42:06
  of
• 42:07
  little
• 42:07
  nuggets
• 42:07
  about
• 42:07
  parenting
• 42:08
  and
• 42:08
  home
• 42:08
  education.
• 42:09
  Fabulous.
• 42:10
  Well,
• 42:10
  Hannah,
• 42:10
  thank
• 42:10
  you
• 42:11
  so
• 42:11
  much
• 42:11
  for
• 42:11
  coming
• 42:11
  on
• 42:11
  the
• 42:12
  podcast
• 42:12
  and
• 42:12
  talking
• 42:13
  us
• 42:13
  through
• 42:13
  some
• 42:13
  of
• 42:14
  those
• 42:14
  reasons
• 42:14
  why
• 42:15
  people
• 42:15
  don't
• 42:15
  home
• 42:15
  educate
• 42:16
  and
• 42:16
  let
• 42:16
  us.
• 42:16
  Let
• 42:17
  us
• 42:17
  kind
• 42:17
  of
• 42:17
  pencil
• 42:17
  in
• 42:18
  this
• 42:18
  podcast
• 42:18
  where
• 42:18
  we
• 42:19
  dismantle
• 42:19
  the
• 42:19
  school
• 42:19
  system,
• 42:20
  because
• 42:20
  I
• 42:20
  think
• 42:20
  that
• 42:20
  might
• 42:20
  be
• 42:21
  a
• 42:21
  lot
• 42:21
  of
• 42:21
  fun.
• 42:22
  I
• 42:22
  think
• 42:22
  so.
• 42:22
  It'll
• 42:22
  be
• 42:22
  very
• 42:22
  juicy.
• 42:23
  Hannah,
• 42:24
  lovely
• 42:24
  to
• 42:24
  have
• 42:24
  you
• 42:25
  on
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  show
• 42:25
  today.
• 42:25
  Thank
• 42:26
  you
• 42:26
  so
• 42:26
  much.
• 42:27
  Thank
• 42:27
  you
• 42:27
  so
• 42:28
  much
• 42:28
  for
• 42:28
  joining
• 42:28
  us
• 42:28
  for
• 42:28
  today's
• 42:29
  Home
• 42:29
  Education
• 42:29
  Matters
• 42:30
  podcast.
• 42:30
  See
• 42:31
  you
• 42:31
  at
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  next
• 42:31
  one.
• 42:31
  Have
• 42:32
  a
• 42:32
  lovely
• 42:32
  day.