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Rushion Interviews P-Valley star J. Alphonse Nicholson | Mental Health Advocate Dr. T.M. Robinson-Mosley · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: living your dreams. My next guest is Jay our False Nicholson.
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Speaker 1: He's one of the stars of P valid one of
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Speaker 1: the most acclaimed series on the Stars Network. Letnna give
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Speaker 1: you a little background on P Valley. Tell us a
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Speaker 1: universal story of hustlers, streamers, survivors, and strivers. The show
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Speaker 1: one of the most acclaimed shows on TV. It just
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Speaker 1: broke out of nowhere. It was on TV season one.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about season two. P Valley is going to
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Speaker 1: numerous decodes UH awards, including the nuble A CP Image Award,
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Speaker 1: as well as nominations from the Television Critics Association, GLAD
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Speaker 1: Please walking to Money Making Conversations, Masterclass, A K A
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Speaker 1: Little Murder, J L. Falls Nicholson. How you doing, sir,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. Certain, Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back a little bit to the first season. Man,
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Speaker 1: this is when I became a fan. Man when you
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Speaker 1: in uh Keisha came out there in that finale, Man
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Speaker 1: and I. I was trying to find the CD. I
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Speaker 1: was trying to tay. I was trying to find the CD. Man.
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Speaker 1: I really was trying to find the CD. I told Nicole,
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Speaker 1: who interviewed already, I said, Man, you are you Let's
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Speaker 1: let's let's go back about you, man, because you see
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Speaker 1: so natural. It's an urban flick, your your you know,
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Speaker 1: and it's all about feeling that moment and being in
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Speaker 1: that moment. Talk about that episode that I'm talking about,
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Speaker 1: and when did you feel that you really had a
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Speaker 1: grip on the character a little murder in the p
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Speaker 1: Valley series. Appreciate the conwords. Um. You know, we've been
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Speaker 1: working on this since two the eighteen when we did
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Speaker 1: that first college um episode. They got it picked up
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Speaker 1: in two eight teams. I knew then that we had
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Speaker 1: to hit it on our hands. I knew that, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was going to be a complex relationship
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Speaker 1: with the audience, but they were going to receive it.
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Speaker 1: And so by time we better the season one, I
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Speaker 1: would say halfway through the season, I was very comfortable
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Speaker 1: with the character that I was creating alongside Guttory Hall
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Speaker 1: and the rest of my cast makes the story that
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Speaker 1: we were telling. And then yeah, by the time we
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Speaker 1: got to that episode with Keyshon and I Mad Murder Night,
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Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things where the
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Speaker 1: world had already been so enthralled by our show that
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Speaker 1: you know, it almost felt like it was happening in
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Speaker 1: real time. Not only was a Little Murder and Keyshon
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Speaker 1: extremely popular on the show, but then we were like
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Speaker 1: popular in real life too, and all of our fame
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Speaker 1: was kind of growing at the same time. So I
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Speaker 1: would say midway through the seasons when I really locked
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Speaker 1: in and felt like I have to complete control over
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Speaker 1: this character. I know exactly what I'm doing with them.
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Speaker 1: And then, um, even the parts that made me a
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Speaker 1: little apprehensive and and scared and nervous to to portray
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Speaker 1: or you know, the emotions that I knew had to
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Speaker 1: be portrayed. I knew as long as I was I
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Speaker 1: stayed true, as long as I was honest with my actions,
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Speaker 1: that the world will receive it and eventually be kind
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Speaker 1: to this character that we're not so used to seeing. Well, definitely,
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Speaker 1: you know I think that you know, we see, uh,
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Speaker 1: we see life is Uh, it's like it's like everybody
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Speaker 1: has a month now, you know, but that month has
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Speaker 1: to be received with information, has to be promoted and uh.
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Speaker 1: And then because of the fact that at this point
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Speaker 1: in life, it's really being promoted and this show is
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Speaker 1: being promoted because of the approach it takes about the
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Speaker 1: community is representing. When you say you was a little nervous,
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Speaker 1: I just want to go back on what your comments were,
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Speaker 1: just to get just just to grow out of that
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Speaker 1: thought process so my audience can understand. Everything is challenging
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Speaker 1: and it can be on the piece of paper, but
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Speaker 1: you still have to honestly deliver the role. Talk about that. Yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: I think every role comes with an extreme amount of challenges,
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Speaker 1: you know, especially roads that you um, you know, as
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Speaker 1: a person are not estamiliar with. You know, I knew
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Speaker 1: who the murder is because of the every man that
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Speaker 1: he is in our society, you know, but as a
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Speaker 1: hetero sexual man, it was you know, I knew that
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Speaker 1: I was portraying someone who I wasn't and so just
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Speaker 1: nervous about how the audience was going to receive that.
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Speaker 1: And then you know, want of my brothers and assistants
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Speaker 1: who are who are a part of that community of
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Speaker 1: g b t Q community to feel respected and feel
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Speaker 1: like that their story would be told in an honest way.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that's where the nerves came from. Um.
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Speaker 1: But now a lot of nerves have subsided, subsided, just
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Speaker 1: because you know the reaction of the show and how
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Speaker 1: people accept the character is always gonna be love, always
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Speaker 1: gonna be hate, but I always choose to accept more
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Speaker 1: the love. Well, I would tell you that no hate
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Speaker 1: here from Rashan McDonald, No hate here from money making cover,
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Speaker 1: no he here from my social media, no here from
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Speaker 1: my news letter, Okay, my radio show. Because of the television,
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Speaker 1: you can only grow, especially as a community. Let's let's
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Speaker 1: go to black people, because black people are the last
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Speaker 1: admit anything. And sometimes when you're going to the gay community,
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Speaker 1: that's that's perceived as a flaw. And and we as
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Speaker 1: a as a community, until we started accepting this is
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Speaker 1: not a flaw, this is part of life, then we
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Speaker 1: can move forward a community. And so so when the
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Speaker 1: show came out, you know, I would tell you, you know,
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Speaker 1: it was talking about the strip club, and I wasn't
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Speaker 1: even feeling that, uh, you know, And I would tell you.
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Speaker 1: I had that same attitude when Power came out when
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Speaker 1: it was talking about fifty cents and a drug dealer
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Speaker 1: and club. I'm not getting that, fell in love with that,
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Speaker 1: and so I always tell people, don't reject, participate and
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Speaker 1: then allow the story to grow on you. And this
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Speaker 1: story has grown on me now as it has grown
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Speaker 1: on this country. How have you reacted to that? Jay Man?
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Speaker 1: Just trying to stay relaxed. And then for me, you know,
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Speaker 1: my wife and I were always on the same page
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Speaker 1: about you know, staying away from certain comments on social
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Speaker 1: media or you know, not getting too caught up in
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Speaker 1: the whole fanfare of it all because people love you
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Speaker 1: one day, that age next, you know. So, but I
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Speaker 1: appreciate all all of the just amazing, you know, comments
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Speaker 1: and just generous attention that has been spent on Pete Island.
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Speaker 1: That we built an incredible fan base, and so to
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Speaker 1: be a part of the that is unlike any other
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Speaker 1: show I've been on before, and probably you know, unlike
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Speaker 1: any experience I'll have going for if you guys, just
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Speaker 1: such a conglomber and man is huge. So I'm glad
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Speaker 1: to be a part of it. Well, you know, an
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Speaker 1: interesting thing about the jail interviewing JR. Fox. Nicholson has
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Speaker 1: one of the stars of pe Valley. He plays the
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Speaker 1: character a Little Murder, one of the more popular characters
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Speaker 1: on the series. He got about like four story lines
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Speaker 1: running simultaneously. You know, So I say that's a good thing,
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Speaker 1: because what happens is you want to get back to
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Speaker 1: Little Murder find out what's going on. You know, you're
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Speaker 1: nervous about Keyshaw because her husband's kind of crazy at
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Speaker 1: the crib taking kid kids. You don't know if he's
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Speaker 1: gonna show up. You know, I remember when you and
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Speaker 1: Keishall was in the same room. I was worried he's
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Speaker 1: gonna busting the dough. Thank y'all having a relationship. You know,
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Speaker 1: very talk about that writing, man, because like I said,
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Speaker 1: y'all got my head spinning. And I'm gonna tell you
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Speaker 1: something a little background on me. I'm a sitcom writer
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Speaker 1: back in the Day's sister sister Jamie Fox show The Parkers,
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Speaker 1: the Parents who had So I know about quality, right
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Speaker 1: and so so I also know about when I'm seeing
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Speaker 1: it being played out by outstanding acting. But the with
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Speaker 1: the script, man, I'm gonna tell you right now, I
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Speaker 1: couldn't be in that writer's room. Y'all came out, y'all
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Speaker 1: coming out with languages and statements I can't even deal with. Man,
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Speaker 1: talk about that script there, Jay, y'all be talking man,
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Speaker 1: and and a lot of times I put the show
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Speaker 1: on close capturing so I can see the script language
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Speaker 1: and it's off the chain. Man. Talk about that man,
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Speaker 1: because that what makes it authentic, you know. You know
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Speaker 1: if you guys that went beyond the word ain't you know,
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Speaker 1: y'all got a whole language. Just happened that in Mississippi,
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Speaker 1: you know, talk to us about that man. Shout out
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Speaker 1: to the Tory hall man. She is just, you know,
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Speaker 1: an incredible writer for a surprise winning writer at this point,
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Speaker 1: and so she honors and pays homage to what she hears.
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Speaker 1: And so that's one thing I'm grateful to be. Excuse
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Speaker 1: me to be part of our show that allows us
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Speaker 1: to sit in our most familiar monopoly, you know. And
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Speaker 1: so for me coming up through theater, you know, working
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Speaker 1: my way up to Broadway, there's this uh thing where
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Speaker 1: you have to speak very proper and have the standard
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Speaker 1: American England to be able to do the Shakespeare and
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Speaker 1: all these things, and we can come on back home
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Speaker 1: and sit in the ebonics, which is one of the
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Speaker 1: most beautiful, you know languages I feel, you know, and
9:38
Speaker 1: our culture we created that, and so Tori, she explores
9:42
Speaker 1: all levels of that, even when you know, like you said,
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Speaker 1: black people hate admitting that we sound a certain ways sometimes,
9:47
Speaker 1: but the truth, you know, and uh, when you get
9:50
Speaker 1: into certain parts of the South, there's a very specific
9:53
Speaker 1: sound and obviously there's a diverse culture in the South
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Speaker 1: as well. Everyone doesn't sound the same um and I
9:58
Speaker 1: think we show that very well on people and that
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Speaker 1: you know, like I said, Victory, she's gonna use every
10:03
Speaker 1: inch of herty dictionary and where the ship make up something,
10:09
Speaker 1: then there will be a lot of that that you know,
10:11
Speaker 1: you heard your mom and your aunt's and your cousins
10:13
Speaker 1: say several times. So it's nice to be a part
10:16
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, before we get into the season two,
10:20
Speaker 1: I want to go back to that that that that
10:21
Speaker 1: that the season for Nale, you know, when you came
10:24
Speaker 1: out and performed and because I gotta go, I would
10:26
Speaker 1: tell you that was a start making turn for me,
10:28
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, and I also keeps you, you know,
10:31
Speaker 1: because I was like I was like at the house. Wow,
10:34
Speaker 1: you know, I stop my wife, you know, because she
10:36
Speaker 1: being as she I'll be watching all kind of got
10:39
Speaker 1: my big screen. I what you watching next? Thing? She's
10:41
Speaker 1: sitting next to me. I said that. I said that
10:43
Speaker 1: board right there and start. And I'm gonna tell you,
10:45
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever asked you to do what she's
10:47
Speaker 1: doing because it is impossible. I don't know why she
10:49
Speaker 1: doing it. She feels like, you know, like a gymnast.
10:52
Speaker 1: But y'all all had to start turning performance there when
10:55
Speaker 1: that When when something happens like that, where are you
10:59
Speaker 1: an emotional lead? And you do? You do? You do?
11:01
Speaker 1: People tell you, wow, man, that was special. How did
11:05
Speaker 1: that moment happen? Because it propelled you into season two?
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Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, I always just put my
11:12
Speaker 1: best foot forward, no matter who my audiences, no matter
11:15
Speaker 1: who's watching, and I think that's something that Hitter has
11:17
Speaker 1: taught me. Um, you know, eight shows a week, you
11:21
Speaker 1: gotta bring it every time, and so your audience is
11:26
Speaker 1: either going to lean into that or sit back. And
11:28
Speaker 1: people out of doors they just leaked into it. And
11:30
Speaker 1: so that let me feel confident about the performance. Even
11:33
Speaker 1: though you know, I feel confident about it before we
11:35
Speaker 1: give it out to the audience, but once they receive
11:38
Speaker 1: it and everyone it's going crazy. And also just kind
11:42
Speaker 1: of being moved out of the character that they're saying.
11:44
Speaker 1: Also just transport the cinema, cinematography and storytelling. It means
11:49
Speaker 1: a lot because it's a lot of hard work. So
11:51
Speaker 1: as an artist, you know, I try to correlate it
11:53
Speaker 1: to pottery. You know, you you make this beautiful pot
11:57
Speaker 1: takes your time, you have to painted and sculpted, and
12:00
Speaker 1: then once you put it in the the stores or you
12:02
Speaker 1: give it as a gift and that person's overwhelmed by
12:05
Speaker 1: what you created. It means the world and so as
12:08
Speaker 1: a craft and for someone to accept your craft and
12:12
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Um you know, it's just one of
12:15
Speaker 1: those things where you can't you really can't deny the
12:18
Speaker 1: feeling that it gives you, which is just love and ultimately,
12:21
Speaker 1: you know, being seen for the artists that you are.
12:23
Speaker 1: So it's it's a beautiful thing that I love it.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, can't quite explain what the energy is.
12:28
Speaker 1: You can't explain what it's like having four point five
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Speaker 1: that you view is watch you every week or sometimes
12:33
Speaker 1: the non Nabe you can't really explain that that energy
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Speaker 1: is life. So it's just that you gotta go through it,
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Speaker 1: you know. Well, the reason I'm just bringing these things
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Speaker 1: up and just want to slow it down to my
12:43
Speaker 1: listeners and viewers about p Valley is that it's a
12:47
Speaker 1: substantive show and it deserves all awards that is being
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Speaker 1: put in front of us. The reason I like it
12:52
Speaker 1: because white society have created shows like this in the
12:56
Speaker 1: past and have received these same type of reward, but
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Speaker 1: we've never been able to cross over. You know, we'll
13:02
Speaker 1: ever be able to create a culture like they do
13:05
Speaker 1: Godfather movies all the time, left and right, but when
13:07
Speaker 1: we would do stories about our culture, they will never
13:10
Speaker 1: receive like this is being received, or like Power Power
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Speaker 1: really did get his credit, but this it was this
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Speaker 1: series is getting this credit to get a one on
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Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes. That's a big wild factor, Jay, Yeah, that's
13:23
Speaker 1: a huge wild factor. It doesn't happen too often, you know,
13:27
Speaker 1: for some of the largest show to come out, you know,
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Speaker 1: White Black, Black Team or whatever the uh you know,
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Speaker 1: the audiences or whatever the show, that just doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1: So what to happen for us or to be a
13:40
Speaker 1: you know obviously majority black show, black brand show run,
13:45
Speaker 1: you know, majority black writers. Wrong. Uh, it's a huge
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Speaker 1: accomplish man. Man. You know obviously it's one of those
13:51
Speaker 1: things where that's what it is. It's a mouth stone
13:53
Speaker 1: and you place that brick where it needs to go.
13:55
Speaker 1: I don't let it wait too heavily. I mean you
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Speaker 1: know those uh, you know, critics and things like that.
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Speaker 1: But it means a lot, and I appreciate the people
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Speaker 1: who take time to write these reviews on my show.
14:06
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
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Speaker 1: with Rashan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations
14:17
Speaker 1: Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. I'm gonna just tell you, uh,
14:22
Speaker 1: popularity breeds both sides of the conversation. Okay, ride with
14:26
Speaker 1: the positive brother, ride that you're living in your heart.
14:30
Speaker 1: But I gotta give some love to the actors who
14:32
Speaker 1: plays the character Keyshaw. I got it. I want to
14:35
Speaker 1: get in your head now, Okay, seeing the athleticism, that's
14:39
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Athleticism on these poles. What
14:43
Speaker 1: did what did you know? I'm like, I'm lik, oh
14:47
Speaker 1: my god, I'm in disbelief. What what what are you
14:51
Speaker 1: seeing Jay And when you see this as a guy
14:55
Speaker 1: going physically, this is this is incredible what they're doing. Man,
15:01
Speaker 1: p Valley changed my whole perspective on pole dancers. And
15:06
Speaker 1: you know, obviously sex workers and strippers, whatever name you
15:10
Speaker 1: want to um call it. I prefer to call them
15:13
Speaker 1: athletes and pole dance right you know they have so
15:18
Speaker 1: shout out to Kishar, Like you said, Channon Thornton who
15:21
Speaker 1: plays e Shan Jeez put in an incredible amount of
15:24
Speaker 1: work and then starts also Valley, also we have these
15:28
Speaker 1: stunt doubles come in and do the high flying you know,
15:32
Speaker 1: poles dropping almost to the ground stunts and you realize, man,
15:37
Speaker 1: you know I could do a thousand push up and
15:39
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't bere to climb up and have the
15:42
Speaker 1: strength of these women have. And what makes it even
15:45
Speaker 1: more incredible than black women doing And so you see them,
15:49
Speaker 1: they're almost like these goddess and sitting up down that
15:51
Speaker 1: pole and turning and flexing every muscle in their body
15:56
Speaker 1: to you know, do these incredible stunts and its BEAUTIFU man,
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Speaker 1: his mind blowing, especially when you can see it in
16:01
Speaker 1: person up close, and it's even more mind blowing when
16:04
Speaker 1: you know they have to do it fifteen times, ten times,
16:07
Speaker 1: you know how many ever takes we have to do it.
16:09
Speaker 1: These women and these incredible athletes are getting up here
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Speaker 1: and making it done, and so our actors, um, they
16:15
Speaker 1: do a lot of their own stunts as well. But
16:18
Speaker 1: then it's one of those things where they once they
16:19
Speaker 1: get tired, they kind of you know, tap in, tag
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Speaker 1: in and have these people come in and do the work.
16:25
Speaker 1: I wish I knew the stunt up his names, but
16:27
Speaker 1: shout out to Shannon Door and Grandy Evan, you know,
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Speaker 1: Larrifa Johnson, all of our ladies ll being new actors,
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Speaker 1: you know who had to come in and do this
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Speaker 1: incredible j J J. Be messing up my head, be
16:40
Speaker 1: messing up my head, like really they really they bruised up,
16:44
Speaker 1: and I look at them, I say, well, if they're
16:46
Speaker 1: not tired, I know, let's go to the second season.
16:51
Speaker 1: You know, we've got some new characters coming into play.
16:54
Speaker 1: Big Teeth is coming in, gotta roll out of jail.
16:57
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just tell you this second sea and
17:00
Speaker 1: there's been a nervous season for me. This tone was
17:02
Speaker 1: kind of set when you came out on the porch
17:05
Speaker 1: and you and the car slowed down and you reached
17:08
Speaker 1: in your back. That set the tone that you live
17:10
Speaker 1: in a violet world. You have a world that has
17:13
Speaker 1: the ability to create violence. And this episode here the
17:18
Speaker 1: season as as as you're on the road, you're out
17:21
Speaker 1: there with Key Shahn's character out there, you're doing the
17:26
Speaker 1: Dirty Dozen tour. And so he has let out of jail.
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Speaker 1: Explained to him him his role, but not too much
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Speaker 1: detail because I want people to watch the show, Yes, sir, UM, Yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: he was. He is one of the characters that we
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Speaker 1: love Valley, one of the new characters. UM. Shout out
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Speaker 1: to the Tory Hall for finding John Stewart. You know,
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Speaker 1: John Stewart was on UM in BBC's uh so He's playlists.
17:53
Speaker 1: Also Luke Cage also a lot of theater in New York.
17:56
Speaker 1: So I was already uh found with him and his work.
17:59
Speaker 1: So when found out, I had to work opposite of
18:01
Speaker 1: my said, man, it's gonna be powerful and uh he's
18:04
Speaker 1: another character man that is very much a real person. UM.
18:09
Speaker 1: You know, in our society, people who have been in
18:11
Speaker 1: prison and come out traumatized. UM. For one, because of
18:15
Speaker 1: their sexual orientation and then for two because of just
18:19
Speaker 1: not being able to be acclimated to the real world circumstances.
18:22
Speaker 1: And in his said case, you know, it's one of
18:24
Speaker 1: those things where we see this character, we know this
18:28
Speaker 1: character in real life, but we're now getting opportunity to
18:30
Speaker 1: see the story played out on on screen and it
18:33
Speaker 1: is very um, just all levels man without like I said,
18:36
Speaker 1: with I've given too much away. I don't want to
18:38
Speaker 1: tell too much of this storyline. But you see him
18:40
Speaker 1: go through every level of who this man is and
18:43
Speaker 1: struggling with this sexual identity. So it was, like I said,
18:46
Speaker 1: to struggling to be a black man in society. So
18:49
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. And by time we get to the end
18:51
Speaker 1: of the season, Uh, it's a roller coastal rived man.
18:54
Speaker 1: It really does, taking on these very highs and then
18:56
Speaker 1: you have some very loads the character as well as
18:59
Speaker 1: the murders. So I'm excited to share that screen. Well,
19:02
Speaker 1: one thing we can talk about is that in going
19:05
Speaker 1: on the Road, you're leaving a love relationship that you're
19:09
Speaker 1: maintaining as you travel and trying to reconnect because you've
19:13
Speaker 1: done some things and kind of damage that particular relationship.
19:17
Speaker 1: So talk about that whole journey that you're putting together
19:21
Speaker 1: there and how that's gonna come across. But I can't
19:24
Speaker 1: give away too much. Well, I'm not I'm not talking
19:27
Speaker 1: about going too far beyond episodes i've seen. I'm talking
19:30
Speaker 1: about emotionally, you know, you made a mistake. This is
19:33
Speaker 1: a love relationship and at the time, you could have
19:37
Speaker 1: stood up for him. And that's what he's that's what
19:40
Speaker 1: he's feeling right now, right he's um. You know, it's complex, man.
19:46
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where a little murder. I
19:49
Speaker 1: think it was ready at one point in season one.
19:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but when Little Murders
19:53
Speaker 1: came into the office, I was telling Clippery, you know,
19:56
Speaker 1: I want to take her on the date. I want
19:58
Speaker 1: to hit us us to be out. And then ever
20:00
Speaker 1: she gave a little murder this really really kind of
20:03
Speaker 1: scary monologue about what could possibly happen to them, and
20:07
Speaker 1: so then that kind of defleted, that kind of deflated
20:10
Speaker 1: the confidence around you know, being cohe is and and
20:15
Speaker 1: they wanting to be as open as possible, and so
20:18
Speaker 1: I don't think he intended to hurt Cliffords feelings and
20:21
Speaker 1: Murder episode eight, but it happened but I think he
20:24
Speaker 1: knew immediately that he had to redeem himself. Some interviewing,
20:27
Speaker 1: j R. Falls Nicholson that he's one of the stars
20:29
Speaker 1: of P Valley. He plays the character a little murder.
20:32
Speaker 1: If you don't know about P vallet on Rotten Tomatoes,
20:36
Speaker 1: the show confronts and illustration realities of domestic violence. It
20:40
Speaker 1: really is dead on suicide. Uh, I can't forget. Uh.
20:45
Speaker 1: The church is involved here, the COVID is involved here,
20:49
Speaker 1: the black politics is involved here, a racial division is
20:53
Speaker 1: involved here. Um humor is involved here because they all
21:00
Speaker 1: levels man, all levels cantorious. She says that pretty often
21:03
Speaker 1: that Pete Valley is dark, it's deep, Um, it's sirrtual,
21:08
Speaker 1: you know, and it just it works on all levels.
21:11
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where, um, you know,
21:15
Speaker 1: the storytelling it kind of penetrates through every culture, I think,
21:19
Speaker 1: um culture, It crosses cultural boundaries and all types of ways.
21:23
Speaker 1: And like you said, yeah, you're gonna have some dark
21:26
Speaker 1: moments and you gonna have some really funny moment. Shout
21:27
Speaker 1: out to Loretta Dubar. She's one of my favorite characters.
21:29
Speaker 1: Come on down, come on now, come on, you know,
21:32
Speaker 1: and all of her comic relief. Man, She's just she's great.
21:36
Speaker 1: She really is one of the best character and obviously
21:37
Speaker 1: Uncle Clipper and what Nico, what he brings to that character,
21:41
Speaker 1: what he brings to her. So and then I think
21:43
Speaker 1: Little Murder is funny too, Man, Little Murder, that a
21:45
Speaker 1: lot of funny moments, but also a lot of dark
21:47
Speaker 1: and heavy. I'm just call you a little Murder, Little Murder.
21:51
Speaker 1: Let me tell you man, I'll be scared for you. Man.
21:54
Speaker 1: You know you've been out there the streets. Brother, you
21:56
Speaker 1: can I can't lose your Little Murder. I can't lose you.
21:59
Speaker 1: Like said, when they're for that car pulled up, I
22:01
Speaker 1: thought they're gonna take you out, you ready, but they
22:04
Speaker 1: that you know, And it's funny that guy who plays
22:07
Speaker 1: that character pull up in the car, one of the
22:09
Speaker 1: characters from Queen and Slim. A lot of people recognize
22:11
Speaker 1: and they knew what he did in that moment. So
22:14
Speaker 1: you know, it's just good storytelling about the Tory man.
22:17
Speaker 1: But you know, I promise you a Little Murder ain't
22:19
Speaker 1: going nowhere, and uh, you know you'll be able to
22:22
Speaker 1: see him end out this journey in season two for sure.
22:26
Speaker 1: Um so without spoiling too much. But thank you for
22:28
Speaker 1: having me. Man, I'm sorry that I had to look
22:32
Speaker 1: at brother. Don't don't apologize your star stars, don't apologize.
22:36
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a bless that I'm able to have
22:38
Speaker 1: a real good conversation. Also, let you know that I
22:41
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not just giving you your narrow questions
22:44
Speaker 1: and allow you to communicate the sincerity of your career
22:48
Speaker 1: what you're doing on the show. But if you have
22:50
Speaker 1: not watched the audience, listen to me. You'll if you
22:52
Speaker 1: have not watched P Valley Sunday's ten pm Eastern and
22:56
Speaker 1: Pacific standard time set you set your time, don't even
22:59
Speaker 1: record it because you want to watch it and then
23:01
Speaker 1: talk about it. See, I'm waiting them to do a
23:04
Speaker 1: post show, share the post show, because that's what's coming up,
23:08
Speaker 1: the post show, because social media is demanding it. Yea
23:11
Speaker 1: that Brittany, y'all need a post show. Come on, come on.
23:19
Speaker 1: They did it with Power, they did with Power, let's
23:22
Speaker 1: gonna do it with P Valley. Okay, but brother, you'd
23:24
Speaker 1: be safe. Man. I love your brother, and stay strong,
23:27
Speaker 1: and man, tell Nico High my boy John Stewart, he's
23:30
Speaker 1: out of Atlanta who was not playing Big Tico on
23:32
Speaker 1: the show. Tell him high because I interviewed when he
23:34
Speaker 1: was on Zoe's. So I got a little family over
23:37
Speaker 1: there working out there. Man. We get all y'all on
23:38
Speaker 1: my show, man and I support y'all one. Okay, keep winning, Okay, brother,
23:43
Speaker 1: Yes I will. Likewise brother must love to thank you cool.
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24:03
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Speaker 1: master Class with your daily minute of Inspiration. I said
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Speaker 1: down with my girl, Emmy Award winning journalist, TV host,
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24:17
Speaker 1: the show to talk about her new endeavors and the
24:19
Speaker 1: importance of having a vision that fuse your passion keep
24:23
Speaker 1: on pushing. It was another project that I have been
24:26
Speaker 1: literally working on for probably about at least eight years,
24:32
Speaker 1: you know, got real close and then it didn't happen,
24:36
Speaker 1: and then somebody just called back, Oh, hey, do you
24:39
Speaker 1: still have that project you might be interested in that.
24:41
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I still got him. So just know
24:44
Speaker 1: that there's certain things that are going to take longer
24:49
Speaker 1: to materialize. You could listen to this full interview with
24:52
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24:56
Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations master Class with Rashan McDonald.
25:02
Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host for
25:04
Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
25:08
Speaker 1: of success. For you, it may be the size of
25:10
Speaker 1: your paycheck. Mine is inspired people to accomplish their goals
25:13
Speaker 1: and live their very best life. It's time to stop
25:15
Speaker 1: reading other people's success stories to start writing your own.
25:18
Speaker 1: People always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you
25:21
Speaker 1: have a gift, leave with your gifts and don't let
25:23
Speaker 1: your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from planning or
25:26
Speaker 1: living your dreams. My guess is Dr T. M. Robinson
25:29
Speaker 1: mostly affectionately the only as mostly and this show we
25:32
Speaker 1: will call her doctor Mosely. She's counseling psychology. She's a
25:35
Speaker 1: counseling psychologist and sports mental health expert, which is very
25:39
Speaker 1: very important. It seems to be out there now and
25:41
Speaker 1: it really want to talk a little bit back because
25:45
Speaker 1: it wasn't exposed like this. So we had a lot
25:47
Speaker 1: of years and decades and maybe centuries of athletes who
25:51
Speaker 1: had this invincibility role. They had to play control the
25:55
Speaker 1: vulnerability or people would have deemed that is weak. She's
25:58
Speaker 1: a principle and the managing partner mostly and a socialist
26:01
Speaker 1: consulting which is the umbrella brand for counseling and psychological
26:04
Speaker 1: services sports performance because sports performance consulting inclusive belonging to
26:10
Speaker 1: training and culturally responsive leadership development. Dr Moslely developed a
26:14
Speaker 1: sports mental health and wellness playbook and cutting edge Turkey
26:18
Speaker 1: solution to one of the most challenging issues in sports.
26:21
Speaker 1: And she needs anap the mental health needs of athletes.
26:24
Speaker 1: Please work with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Dr tm
26:28
Speaker 1: Robinson Mosley. How are you doing. I'm doing very well
26:31
Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so much for having me well.
26:33
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I know we've had a little disconnect
26:36
Speaker 1: here and there, but I wanted to get you on
26:37
Speaker 1: the call today. We call in the video to talk
26:40
Speaker 1: about this because you know, like Kevin you Love a
26:43
Speaker 1: few years ago came out and admitted that he had
26:46
Speaker 1: some issues, and we see more and more athletes coming out.
26:49
Speaker 1: I watched my daughter who was a was a Tina's
26:52
Speaker 1: phenomen and I don't know if you know, I always
26:54
Speaker 1: told my wife, I don't know if that's what she
26:56
Speaker 1: really wanted to do. She was just very good at it.
26:58
Speaker 1: And so that's the psychological So I'm a moment you
27:02
Speaker 1: have to deal with that. You have children out there
27:04
Speaker 1: doing things, are functioning and a role that they may
27:07
Speaker 1: not be doing, but they just want to appease the parents.
27:10
Speaker 1: So what role do you play at all this, Dr Mosley,
27:13
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna back up a little bit and uh
27:15
Speaker 1: and so we can move forward to fully understand why
27:18
Speaker 1: it's so important to you and is there an endgame
27:21
Speaker 1: to all of this? Well, thank you so much for that.
27:24
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate your perspective too, because you've had
27:28
Speaker 1: a firsthand experience of the pressures that come with being
27:33
Speaker 1: at the highest level of sport. And it's not just
27:35
Speaker 1: the the athlete, it's the people in their ecosystem that
27:39
Speaker 1: are impacted too, so their families. So that's that's something
27:43
Speaker 1: even to talk about. But UM, the role that I
27:46
Speaker 1: played largely is working with these organizations so that they
27:50
Speaker 1: can build winning team cultures UM and winning teams UM.
27:55
Speaker 1: And by doing that to make sure that we are
27:58
Speaker 1: invested in giving them HIM a full service program that
28:02
Speaker 1: embow it really empowers them to develop inclusive, impactic leaders.
28:07
Speaker 1: So these leaders can lead with tools and the game
28:09
Speaker 1: plan on how to kind foster a culture that's conducive
28:13
Speaker 1: to high performing teams. Because it's not just enough to
28:16
Speaker 1: make sure that the athletes or the coaches UM and
28:20
Speaker 1: the trainers and votes have the tools that they need
28:22
Speaker 1: to be successful on the field. The things that happened
28:27
Speaker 1: beyond the game impact what happens during the game. And
28:30
Speaker 1: so it's not enough for me to show up and
28:32
Speaker 1: make sure that the athletes have the resources and the
28:36
Speaker 1: tools and strategies if we're sending them right back into
28:39
Speaker 1: an environment that's not conducive to getting the absolute best
28:42
Speaker 1: out of them. So the Wellness and Performance Playbook Program
28:45
Speaker 1: UH is kind of a custom designed UM high intensity,
28:50
Speaker 1: high performing approach UM specifically for leaders as well as
28:56
Speaker 1: the teams and the athletes. And we've helped over for
28:59
Speaker 1: the organization across collegiate and professional sports UM and those
29:04
Speaker 1: teams have won championships, and so we're connecting that peak performance,
29:08
Speaker 1: mental health, and well being are connected to winning. And
29:12
Speaker 1: that's the key. Here is the key conversation too, about
29:15
Speaker 1: there's a physical side of mental health and there's a
29:19
Speaker 1: mental side of mental health. And let's let's slide back
29:21
Speaker 1: to the physical side. When when sports and generals start
29:25
Speaker 1: admitting there is a problem that we're talking about concussions
29:29
Speaker 1: and admitting that we are athletes going out there who
29:32
Speaker 1: are either concussed, which means they were incoherent and they
29:35
Speaker 1: were giving that smelling salt they staggered back out on
29:41
Speaker 1: the field, and if they didn't go back on the field,
29:43
Speaker 1: some people might say they were a weak a sense
29:45
Speaker 1: of toughness. Now, because let's if we can talk about that,
29:49
Speaker 1: because then after that was exposed, then we start talking
29:52
Speaker 1: about the mental issues of mental health, because if you
29:57
Speaker 1: can't expose one without admitting something to the the other. And
29:59
Speaker 1: I think the bigger problem is not so much the concussion,
30:02
Speaker 1: it's the admission that I don't feel good, I don't
30:05
Speaker 1: feel right, I'm uncomfortable, I need help. So am I
30:10
Speaker 1: am I writing talking about the concussion exposure from a
30:13
Speaker 1: physical side lead to more exposure to the mental side. UM.
30:17
Speaker 1: I think UM talking about c t E and talking
30:19
Speaker 1: about between UM in the NFL opened the door for
30:24
Speaker 1: some conversations around that because it ended up being something
30:28
Speaker 1: connected to a phenomenon that was connected to sport. I
30:32
Speaker 1: think the interesting thing is that our mind and bodies
30:35
Speaker 1: are injured connected, there's no separation. And we always say
30:39
Speaker 1: in our business the injuries are not just physical, because
30:42
Speaker 1: when you're injured, it impacts the well your ability to
30:46
Speaker 1: function um let alone kind of in your sport, but
30:49
Speaker 1: beyond it, and there's an exchange there. And the challenge
30:54
Speaker 1: is that even when you're looking at injuries, the concerned
30:57
Speaker 1: is am I going to get back to where I am?
31:00
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to perform again? UM? If
31:03
Speaker 1: you're not at a place where you were able to
31:05
Speaker 1: rehab and have a lot of support around you, it
31:09
Speaker 1: can be a real challenging process and can be even
31:12
Speaker 1: more detrimental to the initial injury as you try to recover,
31:16
Speaker 1: because not only do you have the pressures of am
31:18
Speaker 1: I going to be able to get back to where
31:20
Speaker 1: I was? You were extremely isolated and lonely, and that
31:24
Speaker 1: also leads to some behaviors that can be really challenging. Right,
31:27
Speaker 1: we're talking to Dr T. M. Robinson Moseley affectionately no One.
31:30
Speaker 1: That's mostly we'll be calling the Dr Moseley on this show.
31:33
Speaker 1: She developed a sports mental Health and Wellness playbook, a
31:36
Speaker 1: cutting edge, turnkey solution to one of the most challenging
31:38
Speaker 1: issues in sports, the mental health needs of the athlete.
31:42
Speaker 1: One of the things that we've known a lot is
31:44
Speaker 1: in the black and brown communities things these are words
31:48
Speaker 1: that you don't hear therapy, mental health, depression, trauma and
31:53
Speaker 1: where used to culpe or what are the resources. Let's
31:56
Speaker 1: start with therapy and then this because I don't want
31:58
Speaker 1: to like a lump them all together. Okay, So in
32:02
Speaker 1: the black and ground community, wires that whire is the
32:04
Speaker 1: word therapy that brought up and how can we make
32:09
Speaker 1: it a normal form of conversation when it comes to
32:12
Speaker 1: care well. I love that we're even saying it. Even
32:17
Speaker 1: more so, I'm a second generation psychologist. My mother is
32:19
Speaker 1: a is a psychologist, and her her twin sister, and
32:23
Speaker 1: so I grew up in the business, so to speak,
32:25
Speaker 1: in the business of caring, as I like to say,
32:27
Speaker 1: and many of the aspects of mental health which you
32:32
Speaker 1: hit on I think really really nicely in your opening,
32:36
Speaker 1: have been heavily stigmatized. I'm weak, or I'm not going
32:40
Speaker 1: to perform, or I'm not enough. It's from this deficit place,
32:43
Speaker 1: and for us, we want to change the game and
32:45
Speaker 1: change this conversation. And what's great is we're having more
32:47
Speaker 1: and more people, particularly UM young black men and women
32:52
Speaker 1: who are at the forefront of talking about this, UM
32:55
Speaker 1: the Rozen and um smoan bials and Naomi osaka um
33:00
Speaker 1: who have been extremely vulnerable yet extremely powerful and being
33:04
Speaker 1: able to make this part of platforms because we don't
33:08
Speaker 1: get to peak performance if we don't take care of ourselves.
33:11
Speaker 1: And so I always refrain therapy as a way that
33:15
Speaker 1: it's very similar to your physical health. If we're going
33:17
Speaker 1: to get checkups and get our physicals every year, if
33:20
Speaker 1: we're going to do things to make sure our bodies
33:22
Speaker 1: are well, we have to do the same things for
33:24
Speaker 1: our minds. So there's a common misconception that when I
33:28
Speaker 1: say mental health, it's conflated with mental illness or mental disorder,
33:32
Speaker 1: and that's not the case. UM. Everybody has mental health
33:34
Speaker 1: like they have physical health, and we've got to do
33:37
Speaker 1: things to make sure that we check in and therapy
33:39
Speaker 1: is a non judgmental, safe professional activity, very similar to
33:44
Speaker 1: like being able to go and see a medical provider
33:47
Speaker 1: where you're able to make sure that whether you have
33:50
Speaker 1: a big problem or you have something that you're grappling with,
33:53
Speaker 1: that we can do some preventative work to make sure
33:55
Speaker 1: it doesn't get to a place where it's worse. And
33:58
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a mental health emergency right
34:00
Speaker 1: now across the lifespan, especially with our young people in particular,
34:04
Speaker 1: and so it's now more important than ever that there's
34:07
Speaker 1: access to culturally responsive UM therapy and to have people
34:11
Speaker 1: who look like me and look like you to deliver
34:13
Speaker 1: those services. And that's exactly what we aim to do
34:15
Speaker 1: and what we provide to these world class brands and organizations.
34:19
Speaker 1: Depression UM. You know, like I said, just speaking to myself,
34:24
Speaker 1: you know I I am a type a driven goal
34:28
Speaker 1: orang in person. I am I. You know, if I
34:33
Speaker 1: get down, I'm motivated to get up by setting goals. Now,
34:37
Speaker 1: that doesn't work for everybody, and that's where the word
34:40
Speaker 1: depression sets in. Because if you can explain to my
34:43
Speaker 1: audience what exactly is depression? Is depression and what are
34:47
Speaker 1: the science So that's a great question, and I love
34:50
Speaker 1: that you asked that and talking up personal experience because
34:55
Speaker 1: we all have experienced a really difficult time of the
34:58
Speaker 1: past couple of years, and we are seeing a lot
35:02
Speaker 1: of people using words like depression and anxiety really regularly,
35:05
Speaker 1: which I love. And at the same time, depression is
35:09
Speaker 1: not just feeling down, um a day or two, or
35:13
Speaker 1: maybe you're not feeling great. Um. A depression diagnosis happens
35:17
Speaker 1: when if you are having the worst day that you
35:19
Speaker 1: can have and you have that uninterrupted for a minimum
35:23
Speaker 1: of two weeks to a month. Right, So if you
35:26
Speaker 1: are experiencing sadness, hopelessness, if you're feeling fatigued and extremely
35:32
Speaker 1: more tired, even if you're getting a lot of sleep,
35:34
Speaker 1: or if you're not getting enough sleep, um, if you're
35:37
Speaker 1: noticing that there's a shift in wanting to do or
35:40
Speaker 1: not do the things that you typically would want to do,
35:43
Speaker 1: there's a sheer shift. So depression really is a place
35:47
Speaker 1: of not just thinking about depressed mood and I'm feeling
35:49
Speaker 1: down and out, but there are all these other indicators
35:52
Speaker 1: that you may not be doing so well. So for us,
35:56
Speaker 1: it's less for people to know what the diagnosis is
35:59
Speaker 1: and more of when we take this from sport the
36:02
Speaker 1: fit test, where you are looking at the frequency and
36:06
Speaker 1: I experiencing something more common than I am my feeling
36:09
Speaker 1: like I don't want to do things I want to do,
36:11
Speaker 1: I'm having a difficult time concentrating, I'm sad. The intensity
36:15
Speaker 1: of it, does it feel really extreme and severe? And
36:19
Speaker 1: then the timing of how long is this happening? So
36:22
Speaker 1: we want people to be mindful, not just for themselves,
36:24
Speaker 1: the people that care about the most. If they're starting
36:27
Speaker 1: to recognize there's been a shift um for people, um
36:30
Speaker 1: for the in in a negative way, and that it's
36:33
Speaker 1: happened for an extended period of time. Wow, you know,
36:37
Speaker 1: I when I say, when you was talking, I heard
36:41
Speaker 1: the word motivation. If you're not motivated to get out
36:43
Speaker 1: of bed, if you're not motivated to talk to your friends,
36:46
Speaker 1: if you're not motivated to go to work, if you're
36:48
Speaker 1: not motivated to treat yourself good, you know that's a
36:54
Speaker 1: sign of depression. When I heard you that, if your
36:57
Speaker 1: motivation just popped out, that's really it is about motivation
36:59
Speaker 1: if you've all show will to have to feel good,
37:04
Speaker 1: to express happiness, to give happiness, then you have exhibiting
37:09
Speaker 1: signs of depression. And because that's because that's drives me.
37:13
Speaker 1: I'm motivated to get up, I'm motivated to come to work,
37:15
Speaker 1: I'm motivated to eat food. I'm motivated to hang out
37:18
Speaker 1: with my friends. If I lose those forms of motivation,
37:21
Speaker 1: then there's something wrong with my life and I should
37:23
Speaker 1: seek therapy. Yeah, UM or UM at least at that point,
37:28
Speaker 1: being able to if you don't have a therapist who
37:31
Speaker 1: know how to get one, UM getting a either going
37:35
Speaker 1: to your your primary care provider, UM, talking to someone
37:39
Speaker 1: who you think you can help, because sometimes people don't
37:41
Speaker 1: recognize it, which is why we have to look at
37:44
Speaker 1: it as there's the internally external. So yes, this is
37:48
Speaker 1: internally happening with us, but it's in response to what's
37:51
Speaker 1: happening around us, things that are happening with our families,
37:54
Speaker 1: with the environment, with our communities, with the greater kind
37:58
Speaker 1: of environment. Looking at COVID and all these shifts, there's
38:02
Speaker 1: a lot of grief. We have a lot of collective
38:04
Speaker 1: trauma that's happening right now, and so it makes sense
38:08
Speaker 1: that there would be that difficulty. I will add this
38:10
Speaker 1: additional point to UM to the point of thinking about
38:13
Speaker 1: talking about black folks and brown folks, this may look
38:16
Speaker 1: very different than what people are used for seeing. So
38:19
Speaker 1: often sometimes when UM, if we're thinking about saying like, oh,
38:23
Speaker 1: she's got an attitude, or she's always so irritated, that
38:26
Speaker 1: could be a sign of depression, or he or she
38:29
Speaker 1: is always so angry right, or they get set off
38:32
Speaker 1: really easily. Those things oftener what we see too as
38:35
Speaker 1: indicators with some of these other aspects that thoughts some
38:38
Speaker 1: being depressed. So you can see how sometimes it can
38:40
Speaker 1: be harder UM for people to recognize when people are
38:45
Speaker 1: having a really hard time. You know the thing about
38:47
Speaker 1: it so far, what I wanted to make sure that
38:49
Speaker 1: you know sports and everyday life really intertwined, because sports
38:54
Speaker 1: is competition, and if you don't really if you don't
38:56
Speaker 1: know what there's in life you're competing. You competing for
39:00
Speaker 1: gas prices and how you get to work, time on
39:03
Speaker 1: the freeway, uber food meals, and so people didn't need
39:07
Speaker 1: to understand that's why are you talking about She's sports
39:10
Speaker 1: now I'm talking about everyday life. And if you break
39:12
Speaker 1: it down to normal things. You've realized that that some
39:16
Speaker 1: tragic things happening to our young generation. And when I
39:19
Speaker 1: go to this area is called suicide attempts. So let
39:22
Speaker 1: me just stay some quick facts and I'm gonna have
39:24
Speaker 1: Dr Mosley expound on this suicide attempts to increase the
39:27
Speaker 1: monkst adolescents age twelve to seventeen, especially young girls. During
39:32
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic. According to CDC data, suicide attempts
39:36
Speaker 1: among young girls surged by more than during the pandemic.
39:40
Speaker 1: That is a giant wild for me. Please explain. Yes, UM,
39:46
Speaker 1: we are in the middle of a really serious state
39:49
Speaker 1: of emergency around mental health UM, particularly in the this population,
39:54
Speaker 1: and athletes and young women are a unique subset. And
39:59
Speaker 1: now I had boys in there too as well, because
40:02
Speaker 1: we're seeing the numbers of death by suicide and suicide
40:06
Speaker 1: attempts skyrocket UM. And this is across every single community.
40:10
Speaker 1: And if things things were already kind of free to COVID,
40:15
Speaker 1: we were starting to see those rates go up. But
40:18
Speaker 1: where those were cracks, now we're seeing shatters because COVID
40:21
Speaker 1: has has really impacted this UM. And so there's a
40:24
Speaker 1: combination of of several risk factors here, and ideally there
40:28
Speaker 1: needs to be more research here, but the risk factors
40:31
Speaker 1: being feelings of hopelessness and isolation, which makes sense from
40:35
Speaker 1: UM the online school and shutdowns, all of the grief
40:38
Speaker 1: and loss around covid UM, if there's been a family
40:42
Speaker 1: history of someone who's either died or attempted or close friends,
40:46
Speaker 1: if we're seeing a kind of a larger amount of
40:51
Speaker 1: UM people in the community, so a local epidemic of suicide,
40:54
Speaker 1: which is what we're seeing UM, because we've seen these
40:57
Speaker 1: kind of high profile UM that's by suicide here recently. UM.
41:02
Speaker 1: Those things impacted as well as barriers to accessing culturally
41:07
Speaker 1: responsive care, accessing people like me UM or anyone who's
41:11
Speaker 1: able to recognize what these warning signs of distress are.
41:15
Speaker 1: I have to say, and we'll probably think this here
41:18
Speaker 1: a little further, but social media also plays a huge
41:21
Speaker 1: role in this because it only are you disconnected from
41:24
Speaker 1: people and isolated, but you have a larger comparison group
41:28
Speaker 1: that you are not able to manage what you're seeing
41:32
Speaker 1: and what you're experiencing. And young women and young girls
41:35
Speaker 1: in particular are more likely to decipherabull lead UM and
41:39
Speaker 1: these kids don't have the awareness that this is something
41:41
Speaker 1: temporary when things live on the internet forever, and so
41:46
Speaker 1: we are seeing so many different factors where UM in
41:50
Speaker 1: the same thing when you're looking at entertainers, which I know,
41:53
Speaker 1: you know UM. And professional athletes and elite athletes now
41:56
Speaker 1: are getting younger and younger where people have access to
41:59
Speaker 1: them through the Internet and are able to see them,
42:02
Speaker 1: and so pressure breaks types and so they are the
42:04
Speaker 1: canaries in the mind that something is happening right now
42:07
Speaker 1: with our young people. Right throughout her career, Dr Bowl
42:10
Speaker 1: has served as a subject better expert and advice of
42:13
Speaker 1: numerous nonprofit organizations, companies in the private sector, collegiate athletics,
42:18
Speaker 1: professional sports leagues, and higher education, including world class organizations
42:22
Speaker 1: like the Harvard Business School, uh the n c A, A A,
42:26
Speaker 1: n b A, NFL, and the United States Air Force.
42:28
Speaker 1: You have been considered a trusted advisor to a lot
42:31
Speaker 1: of chief executives. How do you what what in your
42:35
Speaker 1: career when you did light bulb go off that your
42:38
Speaker 1: brand was being accepted and when you picked up the
42:41
Speaker 1: phone you're sending out the email, You've got the response
42:43
Speaker 1: back that you wanted. Dr Mostly, that's a great question,
42:47
Speaker 1: I guess in my career, Uh, so I did what
42:51
Speaker 1: some folks say, so I am by trading accounting psychologists,
42:54
Speaker 1: but for about fifteen years as a higher higher education executive.
42:58
Speaker 1: And what started howpening to me is I started getting
43:01
Speaker 1: pulled more and more and consulting with my colleagues at
43:04
Speaker 1: my institutions and then also other places around how do
43:08
Speaker 1: we UM empower our leaders and give them tools and
43:12
Speaker 1: resources to foster a culture because you're you're doing something
43:15
Speaker 1: that's working, UM, fostering a culture that's conduced at the
43:18
Speaker 1: high performing teams and can you help us? And to
43:22
Speaker 1: be frank, those calls started coming more often and often
43:25
Speaker 1: when I was in the full time gig UM and
43:27
Speaker 1: then the last role that I had, I was associated
43:30
Speaker 1: by chance to learning the students and the u S
43:33
Speaker 1: system and you see Santa Cruz. And the switch for
43:37
Speaker 1: me was when my job became my clients. So I
43:42
Speaker 1: started doing this work because my purpose and my my
43:46
Speaker 1: passions really aligned around making sure that people can do
43:50
Speaker 1: their absolute best UM and getting the absolute best out
43:53
Speaker 1: of people, giving people a safe place to land, which
43:55
Speaker 1: means we have to empower leaders to be agile so
43:58
Speaker 1: that people feel psychology. We say and UM that they
44:02
Speaker 1: belonged to something UM, so that our our teams can
44:05
Speaker 1: innovate and thrive and ultimately win. That became the moment
44:09
Speaker 1: for me when I started seeing that there were real
44:13
Speaker 1: kind of outcome measures and impact to the work that
44:16
Speaker 1: I was doing. So moving um and starting my own
44:19
Speaker 1: shop and getting some some brilliant folks around me to
44:22
Speaker 1: help me do that became the path. We'll be right
44:25
Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Now,
44:33
Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. Now,
44:39
Speaker 1: there's always different paths to success. You know. Started you
44:43
Speaker 1: know your sports jockey like we all, you know Saints fan,
44:46
Speaker 1: you know, painting suffering with those with those NFL referees,
44:50
Speaker 1: I'm sure over the last few years. And then Drew
44:52
Speaker 1: Brees retires on you and and he he's hinting he
44:55
Speaker 1: might come back. That might send you into some mental
44:57
Speaker 1: health zone out there for a lot of fans, but
45:00
Speaker 1: you know I would. I'm gonna share your example of
45:02
Speaker 1: our sports. And I had to walk away from sports
45:05
Speaker 1: being a particular sports fan. And I'm from Houston, and
45:10
Speaker 1: uh and I would uh. Every Sunday I would watch
45:13
Speaker 1: the Oilers play, and when they would lose, I actually
45:16
Speaker 1: had a felt like I had a hole in my chest.
45:18
Speaker 1: I would just I was just not happy. I was
45:21
Speaker 1: just And that's why I realized that I was carrying
45:24
Speaker 1: into my everyday life that depression. I gotta use the
45:27
Speaker 1: word depression because I think that's where it was. And
45:30
Speaker 1: then when I said that, and then I when I
45:31
Speaker 1: made the conscious decision that I was just going to
45:33
Speaker 1: be a fan of sports. I was not going to
45:36
Speaker 1: be passion driven by a certain team and deal with
45:40
Speaker 1: their ups and downs and all that. And I've been
45:43
Speaker 1: able to handle my relationship with sports a lot better
45:47
Speaker 1: because I think I still can say I'm a fan
45:49
Speaker 1: of a Houston team, but I'm not so engrossed that
45:52
Speaker 1: that's my team. That's my team I live and die,
45:55
Speaker 1: but that's my team for now. They're part of the
45:58
Speaker 1: sports which I follow. I track. I tracked the Nasholes.
46:01
Speaker 1: I tracked you know they're the Rockets. And that that
46:04
Speaker 1: has worked out better for me. Is it the trust
46:06
Speaker 1: because I changed my technique that's helping me out? Or
46:10
Speaker 1: am I doing something wrong? Well? What I love is
46:14
Speaker 1: that you were able to identify that something was impacting
46:17
Speaker 1: you in a way that didn't feel good and wasn't
46:20
Speaker 1: actually let's say performance enhancing, right, Like, you were not
46:24
Speaker 1: able to feel good and do your best, and so
46:26
Speaker 1: you shifted your technique and your routine and you're the
46:30
Speaker 1: way that you connected. And so frankly, in our business,
46:33
Speaker 1: it sounds like you developed some healthier boundaries with something
46:37
Speaker 1: that you really enjoyed and you were really connected with.
46:40
Speaker 1: And so that approach actually is really excellent, and it's
46:43
Speaker 1: what we really aim to do when working with the
46:46
Speaker 1: teams and organizations and individuals. How do we think about
46:49
Speaker 1: healthy boundaries? And boundaries are things that people think are rigid? Um?
46:54
Speaker 1: And I reframed that because boundaries simply just give us
46:58
Speaker 1: a rope map for how to connect with each other.
47:00
Speaker 1: So what's okay and comfortable and safe for me? What's
47:03
Speaker 1: okay and comfortable, um and safe and and kind of
47:07
Speaker 1: enhance us performance for you in both ways and we
47:10
Speaker 1: take it from there so we can change our relationship
47:13
Speaker 1: and connection to something, but healthy boundaries instead of either
47:17
Speaker 1: being all in or all nothing right. Well, you know,
47:22
Speaker 1: I had to share that because, like I said, I
47:25
Speaker 1: clearly remember those Sundays. I clearly remember the depression. I'm
47:31
Speaker 1: used to correct worry. It was depressed because I was depressed.
47:33
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, because you've heard
47:36
Speaker 1: stories people throwing things at their TV, people knocking people. Listen,
47:39
Speaker 1: we were called the eights. We the people went to
47:42
Speaker 1: the game with a bag, you right. So, so what
47:47
Speaker 1: we're leading it to July, which is the National Minority
47:50
Speaker 1: Health Awareness Month. Let's talk about that and make sure
47:53
Speaker 1: why that's important to be on my show talking about
47:56
Speaker 1: July being National Minority Health and Awareness because we spoke
47:58
Speaker 1: about the people of black and brown community. To be
48:01
Speaker 1: in the last to talk about therapy, therapy, the last
48:04
Speaker 1: to talk about mental health, talk about the trauma, seeking
48:07
Speaker 1: our resources. Let's talk about that July and its significance
48:10
Speaker 1: in our community. Yes, well, I think this year in particular,
48:15
Speaker 1: especially even um more some of the last UM few years.
48:19
Speaker 1: This becomes even more important because with COVID nineteen exacerbating
48:22
Speaker 1: the mental health crisis that has disproportionately impacted marginalized communities
48:27
Speaker 1: and and Generation Z, it's really critical for us to
48:31
Speaker 1: look at the best ways to help people take care
48:33
Speaker 1: of themselves. There has been I can't underscore this enough.
48:37
Speaker 1: The collective grief and trauma we've experienced, not only from
48:41
Speaker 1: things that we've lost and people that we've lost that
48:43
Speaker 1: will never get back, but we are forever changed by
48:46
Speaker 1: this experience, and for some of us not in a
48:49
Speaker 1: way that is healthy and will impact their health for
48:52
Speaker 1: a very long time. So having the focus on what
48:56
Speaker 1: this experience and and phenomenon and what UM some kind
49:01
Speaker 1: of mental health UM indicators that things are not going
49:05
Speaker 1: as great or that things are going really well, couching
49:08
Speaker 1: that in what that looks like for our communities, for
49:12
Speaker 1: black and brown communities especially important because we're not often
49:16
Speaker 1: focused on that, and so being able to highlight UM
49:21
Speaker 1: mental health providers that would be excellent for the community.
49:23
Speaker 1: How do you recognize when your your family member or
49:27
Speaker 1: loved one or your children are having a hard time?
49:29
Speaker 1: What do you do about that? And so we are
49:32
Speaker 1: at the intersection of all of these things. I always
49:35
Speaker 1: like to say, we like to identify these strategies and
49:38
Speaker 1: tools UM that are important UM but also culturally responsive
49:43
Speaker 1: which you means of respect, it really reflects your experience.
49:46
Speaker 1: And then I have a team at called babulepend of
49:48
Speaker 1: Experts UM where we are a diverse team of mental
49:52
Speaker 1: health and medical providers who are accessible and provide these services.
49:57
Speaker 1: And so it's access to people who look like you
50:00
Speaker 1: and um kind of treatment recommendations and support that really
50:03
Speaker 1: speak to your experience. Well, I'm speaking to Dr T M.
50:07
Speaker 1: Robinson Mosley effectually loans mostly to call it Dr Moseley. Uh.
50:13
Speaker 1: My whole thing is that she developed the Sports Mental
50:16
Speaker 1: Health and Wellness Playbook. I just want you to remove
50:19
Speaker 1: the word sports out. She has developed the Mental Health
50:22
Speaker 1: and Wellness Playbook. It's a it's a it's a it's
50:25
Speaker 1: a cutting edge, turnkey solution to all of the challenging
50:28
Speaker 1: issues in life, not just sports. And I brought on
50:30
Speaker 1: my show to let you understand that mental health issues
50:34
Speaker 1: that you see on TV because these high profile athletes
50:37
Speaker 1: are publicizing and making admissions that something that writing their
50:40
Speaker 1: life and they want to sit down, they want to
50:42
Speaker 1: walk away from the game. This game may not be
50:45
Speaker 1: the sport I envisioned to be my career. It's a
50:48
Speaker 1: good thing. And I want to thank you Dr Moseley
50:51
Speaker 1: for coming on my show and sharing some of your
50:53
Speaker 1: time and and definitely want to bring you back. Like
50:55
Speaker 1: I said, and and and just really really get it
50:57
Speaker 1: to the corporate side and also the the students side
51:01
Speaker 1: and academic side. We touched on it, but nextually I
51:03
Speaker 1: wanted to bring on the show really to talk about
51:05
Speaker 1: what you needed to talk about your recognized brand as
51:08
Speaker 1: a sports mental health expert, and also the month of July.
51:12
Speaker 1: But this is a bigger picture you're playing out there
51:14
Speaker 1: and we need to definitely continue this conversation and their
51:17
Speaker 1: ongoing relationship. Yeah, I agree, and I'll tell you what.
51:22
Speaker 1: We use sport as a conduit as a framework because
51:25
Speaker 1: at our best, sport can teach us really valuable things
51:28
Speaker 1: about belonging, getting the best side of people, overcoming adversity,
51:33
Speaker 1: being resilient and agile. And so we work with UM,
51:38
Speaker 1: higher education, the technology, with nonprofits UM, even with the
51:43
Speaker 1: military and the government with special ops in the Air
51:45
Speaker 1: Force around how do we do that in a way
51:48
Speaker 1: that feels UM empathic leaders and an environment that's condused
51:52
Speaker 1: to get in the best side of people. So I
51:54
Speaker 1: would love to talk more with you about how we
51:57
Speaker 1: take that framework and we use it across these high
51:59
Speaker 1: end into the impacting it as good. You allowed me
52:02
Speaker 1: to share some personal stories and I think being honest
52:05
Speaker 1: about my stories. Hopefully will and they will people to
52:08
Speaker 1: be honest about their lives. But thank you for coming
52:11
Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversation, uh master Class, Dr Moses. You're
52:14
Speaker 1: amazing to appreciate that I would see you in the future. Okay, great,
52:18
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