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From John Brennan & the Steele Dossier to Sen Cruz being Spied upon, the Deep State Rabbit Hole gets Deeper · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: You may remember a guy by the name of John Brennan.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy that came up with some amazing theories
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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and conspiracy theories about Trump Russia, Russia collusion.
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Speaker 1: All things he knew were lies trying to well undermine
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and influenced the last election. We also know
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Speaker 1: that he said some pretty outlandish things, for example, about
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. You may remember when they
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Speaker 1: met in Alaska. John Brennan speculated on this.
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Speaker 2: So I think you could see on Putin's face he
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Speaker 2: felt very, very comfortable, and the fact that he was
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Speaker 2: given a ride then in the presidential limousine the Beast.
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Speaker 2: I certainly hope the Secret Service has swept that vehicle
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Speaker 2: very well in terms of any type of small microchip
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Speaker 2: that might have been put in the in the vehicle.
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Speaker 2: But then in the press conference, Putin looked chipper, he
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Speaker 2: looked upbeat.
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Speaker 1: There's the conspiracy theory himself, the man that loves to
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Speaker 1: spread these things, John Brennan, speculating his expertise right as
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Speaker 1: a former leader in the Deep State, that Vladimir Plutin
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Speaker 1: planted a microchip in Trump's presidential limo during their short
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Speaker 1: ride together on the tarmac. John Brennan also made it
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Speaker 1: very clear that if you think that his now criminal
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Speaker 1: referral is somehow based in fact, oh no it is not.
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Speaker 1: This is all because of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: is a guy that is coming after me, trying to
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Speaker 1: intimidate me. And I'm not going to be intimidated by
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Speaker 1: the Trump or his administration.
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Speaker 3: I know you're not gonna like this question because you
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Speaker 3: and tel people to like talk about yourselves and all
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Speaker 3: of that. But I'm curious how you're doing and how
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Speaker 3: your family is doing, because these moments are you know,
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Speaker 3: We've talked to Miles Taylor, We've talked to Michael Feinberg,
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Speaker 3: people who are in the crosshairs of these kinds of
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Speaker 3: possible investigations and how it changes your entire life and
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Speaker 3: how you and your family can operate.
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Speaker 4: So how are you well.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad that Jim Comy put out that video statement
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Speaker 2: the other night where he said that they're not going
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Speaker 2: to live on their knees his family and others shouldn't
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Speaker 2: as well. I'm not going to be intimidated by the
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Speaker 2: likes of Donald Trump. I have always tried to speak
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Speaker 2: my mind and do what I thought was right, and
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Speaker 2: clearly there is a corruption and a perversion of the
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Speaker 2: justice system right now within the executive branch. And so
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Speaker 2: I don't know what may be coming my way, but
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do things that are inconsistent with
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Speaker 2: my ethics and my values and what it is that
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Speaker 2: I believe is important. I think more people have to
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Speaker 2: speak out when they see injustice, when they see a
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Speaker 2: government that is abusing its authority and its power.
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Speaker 4: I think more and more.
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Speaker 2: People have to speak out.
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Speaker 5: And I'm waiting for those Republicans in Congress to come
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Speaker 5: to their senses because the damage that's being done to
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Speaker 5: this country and the dangerous times that we're in, I
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Speaker 5: think too many Americans do not appreciate the extent of that.
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Speaker 2: And certainly I think we're in for even choppier waters it.
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Speaker 4: Talking about chompier waters ahead.
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Speaker 1: Now you notice the media there trying to turn him
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Speaker 1: into some sort of victim there.
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Speaker 4: In that interview.
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Speaker 1: John Brennan on classified documents, for example, he had this to.
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Speaker 6: Say, is here a director Brennan, let me start with you.
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Speaker 6: Bryan Goodman of Just Security tweeted this quote. I expect
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Speaker 6: this will result in espionage Act Charges dissemination is key.
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Speaker 6: That was his response to this new Washington Post reporting
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Speaker 6: Do you think he has a point? Do you see
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Speaker 6: it that way?
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Speaker 1: By the way, this is in reference to workers that
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Speaker 1: move quote mar Lago boxes the day before the Justice
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Speaker 1: Department came for those documents.
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Speaker 4: So again, it's the guy.
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Speaker 1: That wants you to believe that he's never done anything wrong,
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Speaker 1: that he was never going after his political enemies, he
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Speaker 1: never going after his political enemies, he never lied to
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Speaker 1: congres He's done everything perfect. And this is a response
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Speaker 1: to the present home being rated well.
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Speaker 2: This certainly seems like more damning evidence. And if these
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Speaker 2: reports are true, it's unsurprising given Donald Trump's lifelong disregard
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Speaker 2: of the rules, disrespective law, and arrogant sense of entitlement
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Speaker 2: in terms of he can do anything he wants. But
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Speaker 2: now he is dealing with a very very serious issue,
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Speaker 2: which is classified documents and obstruction of justice. And at
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Speaker 2: least according to this report, there were efforts made right
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Speaker 2: on the eve of this investigation on the part of
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Speaker 2: FBI to obscure and to conceal evidence. And so it
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Speaker 2: doesn't look very good for Donald Trump. Again, if all
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Speaker 2: this evidence is mounting, and Jack Smith is a special
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Speaker 2: counsel of the highest integrity with a dogged determination to
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Speaker 2: find a truth in this matter, so it's clear that
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Speaker 2: they have been quite active in this investigation.
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Speaker 1: So there it is. That is just some of the
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Speaker 1: history of John Brennan. I wanted to lay that down
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Speaker 1: for you as a foundation so that we can now
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Speaker 1: get to what has happened, and that is the new
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Speaker 1: breaking news, the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan has
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Speaker 1: officially sent a referral letter to the US Department of
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Speaker 1: Justice asking for a criminal prosecution of Brennan. The letter
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Speaker 1: alleges that Brennan quote knowingly and willfully made false statements
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Speaker 1: a material fact during his transcribed interview conducted by the
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Speaker 1: Committee on May the eleventh of twenty twenty three. This
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Speaker 1: is coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee. The alleged
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Speaker 1: false statements relate to his testimony about the role of
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Speaker 1: the Steele Dossier in the twenty seventeen Intelligence Assessment, the
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Speaker 1: Intelligence Community Assessment, or the ICA on the Russian election interference. Again,
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Speaker 1: this is all coming directly from the House Judiciary Committee.
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Speaker 1: The referral points to the Federal Statute eighteen USC. One
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Speaker 1: thousand and one False Statements to Congress as a proposed
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Speaker 1: basis for the criminal liability. Now, let me just explain
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Speaker 1: to you in layman's terms, what this really is all about.
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Speaker 1: It's that John Brennan knew that the Still dossier and
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Speaker 1: all of this connection between Donald Trump and Russia was
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Speaker 1: a fabricated, made up live The FBI had used the
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Speaker 1: Still dossier to try to go somewhere with it, and
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Speaker 1: what did they do. They even had it marked as
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Speaker 1: user generated, meaning it was a lie. They even offered
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Speaker 1: a million dollars to steal if he could corroborate anything
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Speaker 1: in the Stee dosier. They never paid them the money
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Speaker 1: because they knew he couldn't do it, and they knew
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Speaker 1: that the Stile dossier was paid for by the Hillary
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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign for president and the Democratic National Committee in
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 4: Yet they weaponized it.
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Speaker 1: They decided to use it to move forward, which brings
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Speaker 1: us to Brennan. Now, he wants you to feel sorry
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Speaker 1: for him, like he's being persecuted. So let's just go
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Speaker 1: back through the overall timeline of the major events.
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Speaker 4: This is what matters.
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Speaker 1: January sixth of twenty seventeen, the intelligence community.
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Speaker 4: The CIA, the FBI, the.
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Speaker 1: NSA issued a declassified version of the ICA titled Assessing
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Speaker 1: Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections. Again, this
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Speaker 1: is coming from the House Judiciary Committee. May the twenty
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Speaker 1: third of twenty seventeen, Brennan testified before the House Permanent
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Speaker 1: Select Committee on Intelligence at an open hearing on Russian
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Speaker 1: active measures during the twenty sixteen election. Campaign and made
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Speaker 1: statements about the Stile dossier. The referral letter points to
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Speaker 1: his false statements in that earlier hearing as part of
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Speaker 1: a broader pattern. You fast forward to May eleventh, twenty three,
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Speaker 1: Brennan sat for a transcribed interview with the House Judiciary Committee.
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Speaker 1: In that testimony, according to the referral letter, Brennan claimed
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Speaker 1: the CIA was not I'm gonna say that again, the
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Speaker 1: CIA was not involved at all with the Steele dossier.
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Speaker 1: That is a direct quote from John Brennan in his
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Speaker 1: testimony the House Judiciary Committee. Fast forward then to October
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Speaker 1: the twenty first, twenty twenty five. Jim Jordan has now
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Speaker 1: sent the referral letter the DOJ seeking criminal prosecution of
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Speaker 1: Brennan based on the alleged false testimony that I just
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Speaker 1: read for you. Now, let's go to exactly what is
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Speaker 1: being alleged, and I'm going to go in order there
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Speaker 1: so you understand that as well. False denial of the
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Speaker 1: CIA involvement with the Steele dossier is clearly point number
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Speaker 1: one in this referral laid out by the Chairman Jordan.
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Speaker 1: Brennan testified that the CIA again was not quote unquote
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Speaker 1: involved at all with the Steele dossier. They're now claiming
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Speaker 1: that that is, obviously, based on his testimony.
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Speaker 4: A lie.
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Speaker 1: The referral letter claims this is contradicted by the declassified
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Speaker 1: documents that actually show that the CIA officer drafted the
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Speaker 1: ICA annex summarizing the dossier, so that would mean the
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Speaker 1: CIA was involved and we have a summary of it
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Speaker 1: from the CIA. Brennan also, along with the then FBI
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Speaker 1: Director James Comey, made the decision to include information from
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Speaker 1: the dossier in that ICA report.
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Speaker 4: Brennan also overruled. We're being told senior.
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Speaker 1: CIA officers who objected to the inclusion of the dossier
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Speaker 1: material why because they knew it was user generated.
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Speaker 4: They knew it was a lie.
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Speaker 1: They knew it was paid for by the Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 1: campaign and the Democratic National Committee. They knew that Michael
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Speaker 1: Steele could not cooperate any of it for the million
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Speaker 1: dollars they offered him, because if it was real, he
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Speaker 1: would have taken the money. Brennan not only overalled the
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Speaker 1: senior CIA officers, but that's where the politics was clearly
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Speaker 1: coming in. The second part of this is the false
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Speaker 1: testimony about the CIA opposition to the Steele dossier's inclusion.
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Speaker 1: Brennan testified, right, I'm going to his words that the
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Speaker 1: CIA quote was very much opposed to having any reference
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Speaker 1: or inclusion of the dossier in the ICA. So again,
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Speaker 1: this is another example of false testimony about the CIA
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Speaker 1: opposition to the dossier's inclusion.
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Speaker 4: According to the referral.
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Speaker 1: Declassified CIA memos show the opposite of that claim. Brennan stated, quote,
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Speaker 1: My bottom line is that I believe that the information
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Speaker 1: warrants inclusion in the report and refuse to remove the
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Speaker 1: dossier despite major concerns from high level CIA individuals. Then
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Speaker 1: you also have what is referred to now as basically
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Speaker 1: zero point three the pattern of miss statements. The referral
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Speaker 1: argues that these false statements in twenty twenty three build
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Speaker 1: on longer standing misstatements, including the twenty seventeen hearing, and
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Speaker 1: thus support a referral for the criminal investigation. Now there's
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Speaker 1: also important caveats that you need to understand here. The
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Speaker 1: congression referral does not automatically mean an indictment.
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Speaker 4: It is now up.
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Speaker 1: To the Department of Justice if they are going to
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Speaker 1: consider prosecution. Many referrals, by the way, do not lead
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Speaker 1: to charges. So I want to put that out there
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Speaker 1: because I think we should just be fair. Now, there's
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Speaker 1: also legal experts that also say that it would be
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Speaker 1: a hard prosecution because in essence, well it's ease and
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Speaker 1: she said he's in charge.
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Speaker 4: It is what it is.
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Speaker 1: So you know, everybody should kind of calm down here
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Speaker 1: and just relax a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: John Brennan, by the way, is also a guy that
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Speaker 1: has had a tendency, I think to mislead at best
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Speaker 1: lie to the American people. A great example of that
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Speaker 1: was the former CIA director John Brennan testifying about the
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop. You may have forgotten that story, but
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Speaker 1: that is also something here that needs to be talked about.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, let me also just say
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Speaker 1: one other thing. In the letter to the Attorney General
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Speaker 1: Pam Bondi on Tuesday went from Jim Jordan, the House
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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee chairman, referring the former CIA director Brennan to
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Speaker 1: the Justice Department for allegedly making false statements to Congress.
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Speaker 1: Not only is Jordan directly accusing Brendan of laing in
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Speaker 1: his twenty twenty three Judiciary Committee testimony by denying that
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Speaker 1: the CIA used the dossier in prepping the twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: Intelligence committ the assessment on the Russian election interference that
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Speaker 1: he knew was a lie, but also falsely claiming that
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Speaker 1: the CIA opposed including the dossier.
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Speaker 4: The two points I just went over there.
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Speaker 1: Now, the Steele dossier was a series of reports that
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Speaker 1: were quote, detailing President Trump's alleged ties to Russia. It
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Speaker 1: was compiled and delivered the FBI in sixteen by that
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Speaker 1: former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. In the letter, Jordan writes,
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Speaker 1: he said, I led subsequent investigations confirmed quote that the
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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign and the d NC paid Steele via the
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Speaker 1: law firm of Perkins Coy and opposition research firm Fusing
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Speaker 1: GPS to provide derogatory information about Trump's purported ties to Russia,
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Speaker 1: which resulted into the discredited dossier. So they're laying out
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Speaker 1: exactly what I'm now saying to you.
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Speaker 4: In July.
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Speaker 1: By the way of this summer, the Trump administration was
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Speaker 1: very smart because they declassified the documents, which appeared to
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Speaker 1: show that Brennan approved the decisions directly, which contradicts his
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Speaker 1: own words that to use is steal dossier. Despite the
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Speaker 1: objections of senior high ranking CIA officials. So again that's
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Speaker 1: where the lie comes out. You declassify this, everybody sees it.
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Speaker 4: Bam.
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Speaker 1: Now I put all this together, and let me just
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Speaker 1: go back to what I said a moment ago. This
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Speaker 1: is a guy that has had no problem lying. And
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Speaker 1: I also would say that there's others that have been
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Speaker 1: a part of this and have lied as well. And
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Speaker 1: you're starting to see the dots kind of connected here.
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Speaker 1: You have a Komy by the way, James Comy, former
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Speaker 1: REPI director, indicted for allegedly, you know, false statements, obstruction
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Speaker 1: of congressional proceedings.
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Speaker 4: So you have that.
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Speaker 1: You have Christopher Ray refer to the DOJ overclaims he
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Speaker 1: misled lawmakers on the Catholic memo and the China probes,
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Speaker 1: and and now you have.
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Speaker 4: The former CIA director.
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Speaker 1: Now all of these people, plus James Clapper and John
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Speaker 1: Brennan hitting at Trump's and attacking him, clearly hating.
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Speaker 4: Him and wanting to bring him down.
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Speaker 1: So there's a motive here, and then there's the evidence
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Speaker 1: behind their motive. They never thought they were going to
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Speaker 1: be held accountable for their actions. They never thought Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump was ever going to get elected again. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I think they actually thought their actions would put him
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Speaker 1: in jail and bankrupt him. You go back to Christopher
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Speaker 1: Ray for a second, and let's just remind you on
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Speaker 1: that one. A Washington based government transparency watchdog group has
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Speaker 1: referred the former FBI director Christopher Ray to the Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice and the FBI, urging a criminal investigation to
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Speaker 1: allegations and he made false statements of Congress and obstructed
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Speaker 1: proceedings in two high profile cases. The Oversight Project president
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Speaker 1: said that the group is specifically asking officials to examine
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Speaker 1: Ray's congressional testimony on the so called Richmond Memo from
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Speaker 1: the FBI office in virgin that exposed the anti Catholic
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Speaker 1: bias there, and his testimony about a Chinese plot to
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Speaker 1: disseminate illicit driver's license before the twenty twenty election. So,
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Speaker 1: in July twenty twenty three, Ray testified before the House
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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee on the FBI Richmond Memo that had labeled
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Speaker 1: Catholics as potential domestic threats, in other words, domestic terrorists. Well,
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Speaker 1: what I can tell you is you're referring to the
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Speaker 1: Richmond product, which is a single product by a single
18:34
Speaker 1: filled office, which as soon as I found out about it,
18:37
Speaker 1: I was AGAs and ordered it with draw and remove
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Speaker 1: from FBI systems. That is what Ray said. Now, the
18:43
Speaker 1: oversight project alleged to the statement was ultimately ultimately misleading
18:48
Speaker 1: or false. Representative Tiffany, Republican from Wisconsin press Ray on
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Speaker 1: the Richmond memo and so called Trump questionnaire which was
18:57
Speaker 1: circulated the FBI and asked about allegiances to the present
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Speaker 1: and whether agents had attended any protests or rallies associated
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Speaker 1: with the January sixth capital breach quote. We keep hearing
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Speaker 1: about these isolated examples, whether it's Richmond, Catholics, this questionnaire.
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Speaker 4: It's a pattern.
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Speaker 1: Congressman Tiffany asked, So, you've got a lot happening now.
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Speaker 4: Democrats are going to try to spend this.
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Speaker 1: And I want to be clear, as this is Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump going after his political enemies. I want to be
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Speaker 1: clear my thoughts on this. This isn't about going after
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Speaker 1: his political enemies. This is about holding those accountable who
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Speaker 1: were in the highest positions of power who weaponize the
19:42
Speaker 1: United States government to try to take out their political enemy,
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Speaker 1: and that person was Donald Trump. And they also went
19:50
Speaker 1: after their other political enemies like men and women whose
19:53
Speaker 1: mothers and fathers who were described as domestic terrorists if
19:57
Speaker 1: you went to a school board meeting. This is the
19:59
Speaker 1: same government that tried to turn Catholics against their own
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Speaker 1: people into spy in their own churches, not mosque Catholics.
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Speaker 1: So again this goes back to the basic question when
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Speaker 1: you look at all of this now, is this actual
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Speaker 1: political persecution or is this about accountability? I think there's
20:21
Speaker 1: no other way to look at it than it's straight
20:23
Speaker 1: up accountability. It is very clear now that it was intentional,
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Speaker 1: It was targeted political spying that likely went to the
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Speaker 1: very highest levels in the Biden administration, and there should
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Speaker 1: be the broadest possible investigation and accountability for what Jack
20:43
Speaker 1: Smith and the Democrats were doing. We have learned a
20:46
Speaker 1: lot more now and there are more centers' names to
20:49
Speaker 1: add to the list of those who were spied on
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Speaker 1: by Jack Smith. Ted Kruz's phone records, we've now learned
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Speaker 1: were subpoena as part of an investigation the Jack Smith
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Speaker 1: conducted or oversaw into the January sixth events and the
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Speaker 1: broader quote election interference matter. The subpoena in his case
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Speaker 1: specifically covered the period of January fourth through the seventh
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, just before and around the time
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Speaker 1: of the January sixth disturbances. The Axios piece says that
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Speaker 1: Cruz is the ninth Republican US Senator whose phone records
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Speaker 1: were targeted or subpoenaed by the Justice Department under Smith's
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Speaker 1: leadership and direction. The subpoena apparently requested a broad set
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Speaker 1: of metadata inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect
21:44
Speaker 1: voicemail messages, plus names and even addresses. Some Republican centers,
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Speaker 1: for example Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee, have now sent letters
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Speaker 1: to the Attorney General and to the telecom carriers alleging
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Speaker 1: that this ounts to politicize surveillance of Congress by the
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice and the FBI, calling it spying on
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Speaker 1: duly elected members of Congress. One report from October to
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Speaker 1: eighth places the number of GOP lawmakers, senators plus at
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Speaker 1: least one representative whose metadata was actually obtained, and nine
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Speaker 1: eight centers and one House member in that initial batch,
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Speaker 1: which now is expanding. The reporting is based on subpoenas
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Speaker 1: and metadata requests. It is not clear, at least in
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Speaker 1: the public what the contents are what they did with
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Speaker 1: the communications, What was accessed or what was done by
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Speaker 1: the DOJ and the FBI with the metadata for Ted
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Speaker 1: Cruz specifically, this is what we do know. The reason
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Speaker 1: why he wasn't in the first batch is because he
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Speaker 1: was not with Verizon. Instead, his carrier was AT and T,
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Speaker 1: Which brings me to a special part of the show.
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Speaker 1: Senator Ted Cruz and I set down to talk about
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Speaker 1: this spying, exactly what happened and why we're now seeing
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Speaker 1: this expand to other members of Congress and there could
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Speaker 1: be more to come that were spied on by the
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Speaker 1: Democrats and Jack Smith. So take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: he had to say about finding out that he was
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Speaker 1: a target. All right, Senator, so let's start with the
23:23
Speaker 1: big news. Where were you when you found out that
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Speaker 1: you were spied on as part of Jack Smith's investigation
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Speaker 1: into Donald Trump? This clearly is a fishing expedition. And
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Speaker 1: what were you told? Have you been briefed on this
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Speaker 1: or are you just getting to say Mentel we are
23:39
Speaker 1: from reading it in the news.
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Speaker 7: So I found out about this last week, last Thursday.
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Speaker 7: I got the information. And let's back up a couple
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Speaker 7: of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
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Speaker 7: broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor of the Biden DOJ
23:53
Speaker 7: that was going after January sixth, that was going after
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Speaker 7: President Trump, had subpoenaed eight and one Republican House member
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Speaker 7: and had gotten their cell phone records. And the eight
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Speaker 7: Senators who had been subpoena were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
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Speaker 7: Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lummus, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
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Speaker 7: and Tommy Tuberville. And then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
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Speaker 7: member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
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Speaker 7: had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
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Speaker 7: Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit just over
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Speaker 7: a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
24:31
Speaker 7: had dinner with Sean and with several of the senators
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Speaker 7: on that list as well, and I was laughing with Sean.
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Speaker 7: I was saying, I'm actually kind of offended, Like how
24:43
Speaker 7: did I get lift out of this list? Like what
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Speaker 7: did I have to do? I was literally standing on
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Speaker 7: the Senate floor on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight,
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Speaker 7: and I had brought together eleven senators to stand together
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Speaker 7: in fighting for an election commission to assess the evidence
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Speaker 7: of voter fraud, and including many of the senators who
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Speaker 7: were subpoena were in the group that I'd brought together.
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Speaker 7: So I was I was joking with Sean, but I
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Speaker 7: wasn't entirely joking. Well, it turns out the reason I
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Speaker 7: was not on the list is apparently all eight of
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Speaker 7: those senators their cell phones are with Verizon, and the
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Speaker 7: evidence had come out that Verizon had handed over their
25:23
Speaker 7: their their cell phone information. Well, my cell phone is
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Speaker 7: with AT and T and I didn't know it at
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Speaker 7: the time, but I found out late last week that
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Speaker 7: Jack Smith sent a subpoena to AT and TU demanding
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Speaker 7: my cell phone records, and AT and T told him
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Speaker 7: to go jump in a lake. AT and T did
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Speaker 7: not give my cell phone records. I really look. AT
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Speaker 7: and T is based in Texas. I'm proud of them.
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Speaker 7: They did the right thing. I appreciate that, and and
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Speaker 7: they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
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Speaker 7: By the way, the subpoena called for quote detailed records
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Speaker 7: for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
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Speaker 7: voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
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Speaker 7: There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
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Speaker 7: was you know this, this left wing judge has been
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Speaker 7: presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
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Speaker 7: had an order from Judge Boseberg ordering AT and T
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Speaker 7: you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
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Speaker 7: phone information for a year.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? By the way, and you're sitting unin
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Speaker 1: State Center, don't tell him. We don't want him to know.
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Speaker 7: Yes, and so AT and T examined it, and they
26:42
Speaker 7: actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way it works,
26:45
Speaker 7: so the subpoena just comes and they get a cell
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Speaker 7: phone number. So so the Biden DOJ didn't identify who
26:53
Speaker 7: they were seeking. And by the way, look the telecom
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Speaker 7: companies typically if they get a subpoena for phone records
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Speaker 7: on a number, they typically handed over because it's usually
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Speaker 7: a drug dealer or a criminal. You have a subpoena
27:05
Speaker 7: that's issued from a grand jury, so so it it
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Speaker 7: they will routinely in a criminal proceeding hand over. Well,
27:14
Speaker 7: it's so happened that that AT and T, even though
27:16
Speaker 7: they just asked for the number, they looked and realized
27:18
Speaker 7: whose number it was, and and and that they talked
27:22
Speaker 7: with their legal team, and and and they said, listen,
27:25
Speaker 7: what what Cruz is saying is it and any member
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Speaker 7: of Congress, what they're saying is protected by the Speech
27:31
Speaker 7: and Debate Clause of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the
27:36
Speaker 7: ability of of of Senators and House members to engage
27:39
Speaker 7: in debate, to to do our jobs. Article one of
27:43
Speaker 7: the Constitution vests all legislative power in the Congress. And
27:48
Speaker 7: and in fact, we you know, on January sixth, it
27:51
Speaker 7: was very literally speech and debate. As I said, I
27:53
Speaker 7: was standing on the Senate floor giving a speech and
27:57
Speaker 7: raising an objection. So it's literally the heart of what
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Speaker 7: one does as an elected member of Congress. And so
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Speaker 7: At and T concluded, listen there, we're not going to comply.
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Speaker 7: As I said, I'm grateful for At and T doing that,
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Speaker 7: But that now makes it nine senators that we know
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Speaker 7: of and one House.
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
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Speaker 1: also at At and T and they probably said no, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to do that either, right it would be
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Speaker 1: Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody you're
28:25
Speaker 1: asking for. There could be easily I would say another four, five,
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Speaker 1: six others. Who knows how many outside the Senate right
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Speaker 1: that they could have asked for that they could have
28:33
Speaker 1: said no to as well.
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Speaker 4: And I would assume there was a lot of people
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Speaker 4: on at and t well.
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Speaker 7: And look the Biden DOJ also after the Republican Attorney
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Speaker 7: General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This was
28:47
Speaker 7: a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
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Speaker 7: Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
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Speaker 7: January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
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Speaker 7: for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
29:07
Speaker 7: so it was twenty twenty two, so it was two
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Speaker 7: years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
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Speaker 7: yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
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Speaker 7: appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
29:19
Speaker 7: we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
29:23
Speaker 7: but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
29:27
Speaker 7: in the United States Senate. And I got to say
29:29
Speaker 7: for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
29:37
Speaker 7: their political opponents and spying with let's be clear none
29:41
Speaker 7: of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
29:44
Speaker 7: engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
29:50
Speaker 7: This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right,
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Speaker 1: you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
30:01
Speaker 1: In that scenario, they were just hey, we'll just go
30:03
Speaker 1: after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 7: I don't know what they were hoping to find, but
30:10
Speaker 7: but but they were asking for the cell phone records
30:14
Speaker 7: from from January fourth to January seventh, so all surrounding
30:17
Speaker 7: January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some some
30:21
Speaker 7: modicum of coordination, uh with with with those who engage
30:26
Speaker 7: in active violence on that day. Part of their theory
30:30
Speaker 7: was was the alternate electors that were being sent from
30:33
Speaker 7: various states. So I assumed they were looking for some
30:36
Speaker 7: modicum of coordination there. But this was a political prosecution
30:42
Speaker 7: because they did not have evidence, and so they said, well,
30:45
Speaker 7: let's let's go through their cell phone records and see
30:48
Speaker 7: if we can find something. And by the way, who
30:50
Speaker 7: knows if if somebody had sent something stupid text, had
30:54
Speaker 7: a voicemail, had you know, I mean people when you
30:58
Speaker 7: go through someone emails, when you go through someone's cell phones,
31:03
Speaker 7: when prosecutors go looking for a crime, the nature of
31:09
Speaker 7: a fishing expedition is, let's go look around. You know.
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Speaker 7: There's a book that was written decades ago. Uh that
31:15
Speaker 7: that that that's called three Felonies a Day, And and
31:18
Speaker 7: it talks about how the average American commits three felonies
31:21
Speaker 7: a day, that that in our regulatory state, things are
31:24
Speaker 7: so complicated, things are so mired in complexity that that
31:28
Speaker 7: that you can violate you know, you you step on
31:31
Speaker 7: a wetland in your backyard, and and and you know
31:35
Speaker 7: there's an old line that a prosecutor can indict a
31:38
Speaker 7: ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor goes in front
31:41
Speaker 7: of a grand jury. When a prosecutor goes in front
31:43
Speaker 7: of a grand jury, you know, there's no defense attorney there.
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Speaker 7: It's just the prosecutor and members of the grand jury.
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Speaker 7: And so, I don't know what they were looking for.
31:51
Speaker 7: I think they were looking for anything that could stick
31:54
Speaker 7: because this was a political prosecution.
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, if and and so, Ben,
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Speaker 4: I just.
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Speaker 7: Want to say I'm really grateful they did not find
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Speaker 7: the pictures you sent to me of you in a
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Speaker 7: pink too too, because I just think that it's not
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Speaker 7: criminal all.
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Speaker 1: The league jokes that I send you about the Ivy
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Speaker 1: League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up going
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Speaker 1: to one of those places. That could have been very
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Speaker 1: bad for me.
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Speaker 7: I I it, you know it, it would have been uh.
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Speaker 7: And and I got to say, just the typos and
32:26
Speaker 7: misspellings that that that you have in your text, that
32:29
Speaker 7: that alone would have.
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Speaker 4: Been been a little bit embarrassing too.
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Speaker 7: So I'm glad none of that.
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Speaker 1: Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
32:36
Speaker 1: if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
32:38
Speaker 1: like it's what was been really trying to say.
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, you're welcome.
32:41
Speaker 7: I will tell you about I talked to AT and
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Speaker 7: T today and I said, look, you guys got to
32:46
Speaker 7: start a marketing campaign and shift to a T and T.
32:49
Speaker 7: We'll we'll protect your stuff, like yeas to them. Look,
32:54
Speaker 7: I I don't have a good answer to that. But
32:57
Speaker 7: but but but I did.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 7: And I didn't know about this until just a few
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Speaker 7: days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
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Speaker 7: Like I was joking that I felt excluded, but it
33:07
Speaker 7: wasn't entirely a joke. And then I was like, oh, okay,
33:09
Speaker 7: that makes sense, and.
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Speaker 1: And here we are all right here, I don't question
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Speaker 1: on this. What is gonna be the response from Congress?
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Speaker 1: Will there be any to this or is this just
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Speaker 1: old administration abuse of power?
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Speaker 4: It is what it is.
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Speaker 1: We're going to move on, or is there going to
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Speaker 1: be a way to make sure like we have standards
33:29
Speaker 1: of this is not allowed to happen and that people
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Speaker 1: are held accountable for this.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
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Speaker 7: we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I think
33:38
Speaker 7: we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell you
33:41
Speaker 7: the nine of us who were targeted, we're talking to
33:43
Speaker 7: each other because we want to prevent this. We want
33:46
Speaker 7: to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this, from spying
33:50
Speaker 7: on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The executive doesn't
33:55
Speaker 7: have the ability to go engage in spying on members
33:59
Speaker 7: of the posing party in Congress. That is an abuse
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Speaker 7: of power. It is it is politicization.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 7: And and this that this entire effort, so so, this
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Speaker 7: prosecution was called Arctic Frost, and I think this is
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Speaker 7: going to be the Watergate of the Biden d o J.
34:19
Speaker 7: I think it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was
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Speaker 7: a partisan prosecutor who was drunk on power and and
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Speaker 7: and and I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision
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Speaker 7: on his own. I think the decision making goes all
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Speaker 7: the way up. I think it goes up to the
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Speaker 7: Attorney General, and I think it goes up to the
34:36
Speaker 7: White House. And and so I expect number one, some
34:40
Speaker 7: some real investigation and hopefully transparency in terms of who
34:43
Speaker 7: approved let's go spy on members of Congress and and
34:47
Speaker 7: and and and that that I think we're gonna work
34:50
Speaker 7: to have some real transparency on and that. I think
34:52
Speaker 7: we're gonna look at real and concrete steps we can
34:55
Speaker 7: take to make sure this never happens again, because this
34:58
Speaker 7: kind of is.
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Speaker 1: They're part of you that just thinks like maybe this
35:01
Speaker 1: has just been going on and never really stopped. After
35:04
Speaker 1: you know, the the famous FBI director that had you know,
35:08
Speaker 1: files on everybody, and people said well, we won't have
35:12
Speaker 1: that again after Jagger, and now it's like they're just
35:16
Speaker 1: like they wild West. You can do what the hell
35:18
Speaker 1: you want to if you're a Democrat, and you're in charge.
35:20
Speaker 1: Like we can spawn in the present, we can spy
35:22
Speaker 1: in the campaigns. We can go after people in this
35:24
Speaker 1: situation room and the trap them. We can try to
35:27
Speaker 1: go after their business associates and their kids and get
35:29
Speaker 1: them to turn against them, like Eric Trump was talking
35:31
Speaker 1: about that on our show the day. If you missed
35:33
Speaker 1: that show, people should go back and listen to He's
35:35
Speaker 1: like they were literally trying to turn Donald Trump's own
35:38
Speaker 1: children against him, threatening that your life's gonna be over
35:41
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be in jail, so you better get
35:42
Speaker 1: a get out of jail free card. And now it's
35:44
Speaker 1: like yeah, and we were also spaying on senators. I'm
35:47
Speaker 1: assuming some congressmen will come out like who knows who's there?
35:50
Speaker 1: We I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently before assassination. It
35:56
Speaker 1: came out that he said during the campaign, we either
35:58
Speaker 1: win the campaign or I may go to jail.
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Speaker 4: I actually believe.
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Speaker 1: Now witnessing what we've sayen that that's not far off
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Speaker 1: from reality at all.
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Speaker 7: Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
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Speaker 7: Justice in the FBI.
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Speaker 6: As you know.
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Speaker 7: I wrote an entire book entitled Justice Corrupted. How the
36:16
Speaker 7: left is weaponized our legal system, and it talked about
36:19
Speaker 7: it actually started with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to
36:22
Speaker 7: do that. And and you look at some of the
36:24
Speaker 7: some of the hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice
36:27
Speaker 7: Department came up with, including creating underground stings to to
36:33
Speaker 7: get people, uh, to get people on film taking drugs
36:37
Speaker 7: and with prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and
36:41
Speaker 7: to go after their political opponents. I mean, it was
36:43
Speaker 7: grotesque abuse of power. And and and when when that
36:47
Speaker 7: came to light, we actually saw an improvement. And there
36:49
Speaker 7: were a couple of decades where I think this this
36:52
Speaker 7: receded and occurred far less. And then what Richard Nixon
36:58
Speaker 7: tried to do to the justices, to Barack Obama succeeded
37:01
Speaker 7: in doing. He came in as this this almost messiah figure,
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Speaker 7: and and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
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Speaker 7: You had Lois Learner at the I R S. They
37:13
Speaker 7: began targeting their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they
37:17
Speaker 7: disagreed with, and also protecting their friends. During the Trump
37:21
Speaker 7: administration the first term, they went underground, but they waged
37:25
Speaker 7: war on the president. These are the people that created
37:27
Speaker 7: fraudulent documents submitted to the FISA Court in order to
37:31
Speaker 7: in order to try to go after President Trump. They
37:34
Speaker 7: wanted to reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election
37:38
Speaker 7: because they were furious that the American people elected Trump.
37:41
Speaker 7: And then during Biden, they were open, they were flagrant,
37:44
Speaker 7: they were out in the open, and they were they
37:45
Speaker 7: were abusing their power. And I think they felt that
37:48
Speaker 7: the ends justified the means, and and and anything was
37:54
Speaker 7: acceptable and and and so I think we need to
37:56
Speaker 7: take real steps. Do I think this has been going
37:58
Speaker 7: on forever and ever? I own I certainly hope not.
38:01
Speaker 7: I'm not aware that it has. Uh, there is there,
38:05
Speaker 7: there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under
38:08
Speaker 7: Biden to to make it just as as viciously partisan
38:13
Speaker 7: as as became.
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