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Biden DOJ Subpoenaed MY Phone Records, Spied on 20% of GOP Senators, plus Lunch w Trump in the Rose Garden · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome in as verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
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Speaker 1: with you and Center. We've got to break some news here.
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Speaker 1: Apparently I was spied on because I texted you during
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Speaker 1: a period when you were spied on, which means I
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Speaker 1: was spied on. I feel like my name should be
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Speaker 1: in this A little bit here. We thought it would happen,
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Speaker 1: it came out. It's real. Congratulations. They really wanted to
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Speaker 1: see what you were texting, and I think they're going
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Speaker 1: to be highly disappointed.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think my texts are pretty damn amusing, and
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you have no sense of humor. I need
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Speaker 3: to text you more about when Ole Miss doesn't win
0:38
Speaker 3: a football game. But you're right. The news broke. The
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Speaker 3: news break broke in the last couple of days that
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Speaker 3: the Biden Department of Justice Jack Smith, issued a subpoena
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Speaker 3: spying on me, trying to get information about my cell phone,
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Speaker 3: about communications I was having, about voicemails, about text all
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Speaker 3: the information they could from my subpoena. That now makes
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Speaker 3: nine Republican senators that the Biden DOJ issued subpoenas and
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Speaker 3: tried to get their cell phone records. We're gonna break
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Speaker 3: that down. We're gonna talk about what an extraordinary abuse
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Speaker 3: of power, this is, what a nakedly political action it is.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna break all that down for you. We're also
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Speaker 3: going to talk about I spent about two hours with
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Speaker 3: President Trump at the Oval Office today at the White House.
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Speaker 3: He invited all the Republican Senators to have lunch with him.
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to you about about everything that
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Speaker 3: went on and what's going on. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: the Democrats losing their minds because President Trump is paying
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Speaker 1: big news.
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Speaker 2: Where were you when you found.
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Speaker 1: Out that you were spied on as part of Jacksmith's
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Speaker 1: investigation into Donald Trump. This clearly is a fishing expedition.
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Speaker 1: And what were you told? Have you been briefed on
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Speaker 1: this or you just getting to say mentel, we are
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Speaker 1: from reading it in the news.
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Speaker 3: So I found out about this last week. Last Thursday,
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Speaker 3: I got the information. And let's back up a couple
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Speaker 3: of weeks ago. A couple of weeks ago, the news
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Speaker 3: broke that Jack Smith, the prosecutor and the Biden doj
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Speaker 3: that was going after January sixth, that was going after
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Speaker 3: President Trump had subpoenaed eight senators and one Republican house
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Speaker 3: member and had gotten their cell phone records. And the
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Speaker 3: eight senators who had been subpoenaed were Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson,
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Speaker 3: Bill Haggerty, Josh Holly, Cynthia Lumis, Lindsey Graham, Dan Sullivan,
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Speaker 3: and Tommy Tubberville, and then Mike Kelly, a Republican House
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Speaker 3: member from Pennsylvania, was also subpoenaed. All nine of them
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Speaker 3: had their cell phone records handed over to the Biden
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Speaker 3: Department of Justice. Now, I got to admit, just over
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Speaker 3: a week ago, Sean Hannity was in town and I
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Speaker 3: had dinner with Sean and and with with with several
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Speaker 3: of the the senators on that list as well, and
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Speaker 3: I was laughing with Sean. I was saying, I'm actually
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Speaker 3: kind of offended, like how did I get lift out
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Speaker 3: of this list? Like what did I have to do?
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Speaker 3: You know? I was literally standing on the Senate floor
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Speaker 3: on January sixth, objecting and leading the fight. And I
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Speaker 3: had brought together eleven senators to stand together and fighting
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Speaker 3: for an election commission to assess the evidence of voter fraud,
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Speaker 3: and including many of the senators who were subpoena were
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Speaker 3: in the group that I'd brought together. So I was
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Speaker 3: I was joking with Sean, but I wasn't entirely joking. Well,
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Speaker 3: it turns out the reason I was not on the
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Speaker 3: list is apparently all eight of those senators. Their cell
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Speaker 3: phones are with Verizon, and the evidence had come out
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Speaker 3: that Verizon had handed over their their their cell phone information. Well,
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Speaker 3: my cell phone is with AT and T and I
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Speaker 3: didn't know it at the time, but I found out
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Speaker 3: lately last week that Jack Smith sent a subpoena at AT
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Speaker 3: and T demanding my cell phone records, and AT and
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Speaker 3: T told him to go jump in Lake h AT
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Speaker 3: and T did not give my cell phone records. I
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Speaker 3: really look. AT and T is based in Texas. I'm
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Speaker 3: proud of them. They did the right thing. I appreciate that,
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Speaker 3: and they assessed it. They had a subpoena from Jack Smith.
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Speaker 3: By the way, the subpoena called for quote, detailed records
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Speaker 3: for inbound and outbound calls, text messages, direct connect and
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Speaker 3: voicemail messages, among other things. So they were seeking that.
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Speaker 3: There was an also an order from Judge Boseburg, who
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Speaker 3: was you know this, this left wing judge has been
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Speaker 3: presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,
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Speaker 3: had an order from Judge Boseburg ordering AT and T
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Speaker 3: you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell
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Speaker 3: phone information for a year.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing?
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Speaker 1: By the way, and you're sitting unin State Center, don't
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Speaker 1: tell him, we don't want him to know.
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Speaker 3: Yes, And and so AT and T examined it, and
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Speaker 3: they actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way
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Speaker 3: it works, so the subpoena just comes and and they
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Speaker 3: get a cell phone number. So so so the Biden
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Speaker 3: DOJ didn't identify who they were seeking. And and by
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Speaker 3: the way, look, the telecom companies typically if they get
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Speaker 3: a subpoena for for phone records on a number, they
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Speaker 3: typically hand it over because it's usually a drug dealer
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Speaker 3: or a criminal. You have a subpoena that's issued from
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Speaker 3: a grand jury, so so it it. They will routinely
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Speaker 3: in a criminal proceeding hand over. Uh, well, it's so
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Speaker 3: happened that that At and T. Even though they just
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Speaker 3: asked for the number, they looked and realized whose number
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Speaker 3: it was, and and and they talked with their legal
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Speaker 3: team and and and they said, listen, what what Cruz
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Speaker 3: is saying is it and any member of Congress, what
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Speaker 3: they're saying is protected by the Speech and Bait Clause
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Speaker 3: of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the ability of Senators
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Speaker 3: and House members to engage in debate to do our jobs.
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Speaker 3: Article one of the Constitution vests all legislative power in
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Speaker 3: the Congress. And in fact, you know, on January sixth,
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Speaker 3: it was very literally speech and debate. As I said,
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Speaker 3: I was standing on the Senate floor, Yeah, giving a
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Speaker 3: speech and raising an objection. So it's literally the heart
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Speaker 3: of what one does as an elected member of Congress.
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Speaker 3: And so at and T concluded, listen there, we're not
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Speaker 3: going to comply. As I said, I'm grateful for At
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Speaker 3: and T doing that, but that now makes it nine
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Speaker 3: senators that we know of and one House.
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were
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Speaker 1: also at At and T and they probably said no,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to do that either, right, it would
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Speaker 1: be Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody
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Speaker 1: you're asking for. There could be easily, I would say,
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Speaker 1: another four, five, six others. Who knows how many outside
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Speaker 1: the Senate right that they could have asked for that
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Speaker 1: they could have said no to as well.
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Speaker 2: And I would assume there was a lot of people
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Speaker 2: on At and T.
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Speaker 3: Well, And look the Biden doj also after the Republican
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Speaker 3: Attorney General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This
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Speaker 3: was a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.
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Speaker 3: Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute
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Speaker 3: January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign
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Speaker 3: for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,
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Speaker 3: so it was twenty twenty two, So it was two
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Speaker 3: years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and
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Speaker 3: yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to
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Speaker 3: appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because
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Speaker 3: we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,
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Speaker 3: but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans
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Speaker 3: in the United States Senate. And I got to say
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Speaker 3: for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on
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Speaker 3: their political opponents and spying with let's be clear, none
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Speaker 3: of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can
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Speaker 3: engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.
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Speaker 3: This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right?
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Speaker 2: Like you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?
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Speaker 1: In that scenario they were they were just, hey, we'll
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Speaker 1: just go after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.
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Speaker 3: Look. I don't know what they were hoping to find,
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Speaker 3: but but but they were asking for the cell phone
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Speaker 3: records from from January fourth to January seventh, so all
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Speaker 3: surrounding January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some
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Speaker 3: some monica of coordination, uh with with with those who
10:54
Speaker 3: engage in active violence on that day. Part of their
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Speaker 3: theory was was the all alternate electors that were being
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Speaker 3: sent from various states. So I assumed they were looking
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Speaker 3: for some modicum of coordination there. But but this was
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Speaker 3: a political prosecution because they did not have evidence, and
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Speaker 3: so they said, well, let's let's go through their cell
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Speaker 3: phone records and see if we can find something. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, who knows if if if somebody had
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Speaker 3: sent something stupid a text, had a voicemail, had you know,
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Speaker 3: I mean people, when you go through someone's emails, when
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Speaker 3: you go through someone's cell phones, when prosecutors go looking
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Speaker 3: for a crime, the nature of a phishing expedition is
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Speaker 3: let's go look around. You know, there's a book that
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Speaker 3: was written decades ago, uh that that that that's called
11:44
Speaker 3: three felonies a day. And it talks about how the
11:48
Speaker 3: average American commits three felonies a day, that that in
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Speaker 3: our regulatory state, things are so complicated, things are so
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Speaker 3: mired in complexity that that that you can violate you know,
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Speaker 3: you step on a wetland than your backyard. And and
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Speaker 3: and you know there's an old line that a prosecutor
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Speaker 3: can indict a ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor
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Speaker 3: goes in front of a grand jury. When a prosecutor
12:11
Speaker 3: goes in front of a grand jury, you know, there's
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Speaker 3: no defense attorney there. It's just the prosecutor and members
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Speaker 3: of the grand jury. And so I don't know what
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Speaker 3: they were looking for. I think they were looking for
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Speaker 3: anything that could stick because this was a political prosecution.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this if and so Ben, I
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Speaker 3: just want to say, I'm really grateful they did not
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Speaker 3: find the pictures you send to me of you and
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Speaker 3: a pink too too, because I just think that it's
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Speaker 3: not criminal.
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Speaker 1: All the league jokes that I send you about the
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Speaker 1: Ivy League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up
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Speaker 1: going to one of those places that could have been
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Speaker 1: very bad for me.
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Speaker 3: I it you know it, it would have been And
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Speaker 3: I got to say, just the typos and misspellings that
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Speaker 3: that that you have in your text, that that alone
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Speaker 3: would have been a little bit bare too. So I'm
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Speaker 3: glad none of that.
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Speaker 1: Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're
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Speaker 1: if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,
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Speaker 1: Like it's what was been really trying to say.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're welcome.
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Speaker 3: and T today and I said, look, you guys got
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Speaker 3: knows to them? Look, I I don't have a good
13:24
Speaker 3: answer to that. But but but but I did. Uh.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't know about this until just a few
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Speaker 3: days ago. So this was when the first news broke.
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Speaker 3: I like, I was joking that I felt excluded, but
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Speaker 3: it wasn't entirely a joke. And and then I was like, oh, okay,
13:38
Speaker 3: that makes sense, and uh.
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Speaker 1: or is this just old administration abusive power?
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Speaker 2: It is what it is.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna move on, or is there going to be
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Speaker 1: a way to make sure like we have standards of
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Speaker 1: this is not allowed to happen and that people are
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Speaker 1: held accountable for this.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think
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Speaker 3: we've we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I
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Speaker 3: think we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell
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Speaker 3: you the nine of us who were targeted, we're we're
16:33
Speaker 3: talking to each other because we want to prevent this.
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Speaker 3: We want to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this,
16:39
Speaker 3: from spying on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The
16:44
Speaker 3: executive doesn't have the ability to go engage in spying
16:49
Speaker 3: on members of the opposing party in Congress. That is
16:52
Speaker 3: an abuse of power. It is it is politicization and
16:58
Speaker 3: that this higher effort. So so this prosecution was called
17:04
Speaker 3: Arctic Frost. And I think this is going to be
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Speaker 3: the Watergate of the Biden do o J. I think
17:10
Speaker 3: it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was a partisan
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Speaker 3: prosecutor who was drunk on power and and and and
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Speaker 3: I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision on his own.
17:22
Speaker 3: I think the decision making goes all the way up.
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Speaker 3: I think it goes up to the Attorney General. I
17:26
Speaker 3: think it goes up to the White House. And and
17:28
Speaker 3: so I expect number one, some some real investigation and
17:31
Speaker 3: hopefully transparency in terms of who approved let's go spy
17:35
Speaker 3: on members of Congress and and and and and that
17:39
Speaker 3: that I think we're going to work to have some
17:41
Speaker 3: real transparency on and that. I think we're gonna look
17:43
Speaker 3: at real and concrete steps we can take to make
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Speaker 3: sure this never happens again, because this kind of there
17:49
Speaker 3: is there.
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Speaker 1: A part of you that just thinks like maybe this
17:51
Speaker 1: has just been going on and never really stopped. After
17:54
Speaker 1: after you know, the the the the famous FBI director
17:58
Speaker 1: that had you know, files on everybody, and people said, well,
18:02
Speaker 1: we won't have that again. After Jagger. And now it's
18:06
Speaker 1: like they're just like they wild West. You can do
18:08
Speaker 1: what the hell you want to if you're a Democrat
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Speaker 1: and you're in charge. Like we can spa in the present,
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Speaker 1: we can spy the campaigns. We can go after people
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Speaker 1: in this situation room and the trap them. We can
18:17
Speaker 1: try to go after their busines, associates, and their kids
18:19
Speaker 1: and get them to turn against them, like Eric Trump
18:21
Speaker 1: was talking about that on our show the other day.
18:23
Speaker 1: If you missed that show, people should go back and
18:24
Speaker 1: listen to He's like they were literally trying to turn
18:27
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's own children against him, threatening that your life's
18:30
Speaker 1: gonna be over and you're gonna be in jail, so
18:32
Speaker 1: you better get a get out of jail free card.
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Speaker 1: And now it's like yeah, and we were also spying
18:36
Speaker 1: on senators. I'm assuming some congressmen will come out like
18:39
Speaker 1: who knows who's there? I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently
18:44
Speaker 1: before assassination. It came out that he said during the campaign,
18:48
Speaker 1: we either win the campaign or I may go to jail.
18:51
Speaker 1: I actually believe now witnessing what we've seen, that that's
18:55
Speaker 1: not far off from reality at all.
18:57
Speaker 3: Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of
19:02
Speaker 3: Justice in the FBI. As you know, I wrote an
19:04
Speaker 3: entire book entitled Justice Corrupted, How the Left is weaponized
19:07
Speaker 3: our legal system, and it talked about it actually started
19:10
Speaker 3: with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to do that. And
19:12
Speaker 3: and you look at some of the some of the
19:15
Speaker 3: hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice Department came up with,
19:18
Speaker 3: including creating underground stings to to to get people, uh,
19:25
Speaker 3: to to get people on film taking drugs and with
19:28
Speaker 3: prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and to go
19:31
Speaker 3: after their political opponents. I mean, it was grotesque abuse
19:34
Speaker 3: of power. And and and when when that came to light,
19:38
Speaker 3: we actually saw an improvement. And there were a couple
19:40
Speaker 3: of decades where I think this this receded and occurred
19:44
Speaker 3: far less. And and then what Richard Nixon tried to
19:49
Speaker 3: do to the justice system, Barack Obama succeeded in doing.
19:52
Speaker 3: He came in as this this almost messiah figure, and
19:56
Speaker 3: and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.
20:00
Speaker 3: You had lowist learner at the IRS. They began targeting
20:04
Speaker 3: their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they disagreed with
20:08
Speaker 3: and also protecting their friends. During the Trump administration the
20:12
Speaker 3: first term, they went underground, but they waged war on
20:16
Speaker 3: the president. These are the people that created fraudulent documents
20:19
Speaker 3: submitted to the FISA Court in order to in order
20:22
Speaker 3: to try to go after President Trump. They wanted to
20:25
Speaker 3: reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election because they
20:28
Speaker 3: were furious that the American people elected Trump. And then
20:31
Speaker 3: during Biden they were open, they were flagrant. They were
20:34
Speaker 3: out in the open, and they were abusing their power,
20:37
Speaker 3: and I think they felt that the ends justified the
20:40
Speaker 3: means and anything was acceptable. And so I think we
20:46
Speaker 3: need to take real steps. Do I think this has
20:48
Speaker 3: been going on forever and ever? I don't. I certainly
20:51
Speaker 3: hope not. I'm not aware that it has. There is,
20:55
Speaker 3: there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under Biden,
20:59
Speaker 3: to to make it just as as viciously partisan as it.
21:04
Speaker 1: Wills came Yes, yeah, it will's came off, and no
21:07
Speaker 1: one cared about the rules anymore. Clearly, it's it's incredible,
21:11
Speaker 1: all right. So let's go to something else that is
21:13
Speaker 1: obviously big. You were at the White House meeting with
21:17
Speaker 1: the president. You guys are asked to come over and
21:20
Speaker 1: check out the construction site that the left is losing
21:22
Speaker 1: their minds over right now, By the way, can we
21:24
Speaker 1: just talk about that for a second before we get
21:26
Speaker 1: every shut down this is hysterical. There have been multiple
21:30
Speaker 1: presidents that, by the way, have done different things to
21:33
Speaker 1: the White House. The majority of the time it's actually
21:35
Speaker 1: paid for by tax payers. This time, this is being
21:39
Speaker 1: paid for by Trump and donors, so it's not costing
21:42
Speaker 1: taxpayers of dime. It's a huge improvement to the White
21:45
Speaker 1: House that every future president will be able to use.
21:48
Speaker 2: I love that.
21:49
Speaker 1: And yet the lies that are out there is that
21:51
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is like destroying the White House and he's
21:54
Speaker 1: gone rogue and he's destroying America's house and it's gonna
21:57
Speaker 1: cost you money while the government's shut down. There's there's
22:00
Speaker 1: tons of Democrats out there putting it out there, going, oh,
22:02
Speaker 1: so the government shutdown, but Donald Trump sting money on this,
22:05
Speaker 1: implying that like this government shutdown doesn't involve his plans. Yeah,
22:09
Speaker 1: because it's private money, you liars. So you were there,
22:12
Speaker 1: you saw it, and I'm sure it came up.
22:15
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so we President Trump invited all the Republican
22:18
Speaker 3: senators Uh to come over. Uh. And and we came
22:23
Speaker 3: and joined him. We had lunch with him.
22:25
Speaker 4: Uh.
22:25
Speaker 3: He served cheeseburgers and French fries. I gotta say the
22:28
Speaker 3: cheeseburgers were really good. That there was actually a rumor
22:30
Speaker 3: he was going to serve McDonald's.
22:31
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, was it McDonald's because he did
22:33
Speaker 1: that before when there was a shutdown.
22:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, there was a rumor that is going to
22:37
Speaker 3: serve McDonald's. And I think it is adder near the
22:40
Speaker 3: anniversary of when he went to work at McDonald's restaurant,
22:43
Speaker 3: which was one of the classic moments of the campaign
22:45
Speaker 3: last year. Yeah, and so he did not serve McDonald's.
22:49
Speaker 3: They were I think the White House chef made the
22:51
Speaker 3: They were good cheeseburgers. They were actually they were quite good.
22:55
Speaker 3: And he was in as good a mood as I've
22:58
Speaker 3: ever seen him. He was just happy. So we met
23:01
Speaker 3: in the Rose Garden. And the Rose Garden it's right
23:03
Speaker 3: off the Oval office and it is surrounded by rose bushes.
23:08
Speaker 3: And it used to be like the ground was just
23:10
Speaker 3: just a lawn and it was just grass. Yeah, and
23:13
Speaker 3: it's interesting. The President talked about this quite a bit,
23:15
Speaker 3: and you can actually watch it on TV. He was
23:16
Speaker 3: on TV and the cameras were there as he was talking.
23:19
Speaker 3: But he's a builder. He's excited about this that there
23:23
Speaker 3: was a joy as he was talking about this project.
23:25
Speaker 3: And he said, look, the rose garden. The problem was
23:28
Speaker 3: it was grass. When it rained, it would get muddy.
23:30
Speaker 3: You'd do events here and you're trudging through the mud
23:32
Speaker 3: and the grass. He said, you know women would be
23:35
Speaker 3: there for this. Yeah, women would be there in expensive
23:38
Speaker 3: high heels. The high heels would be sinking into the mud,
23:40
Speaker 3: they'd ruin their shoes, they would get upset. And so
23:43
Speaker 3: what he did is is he built a patio instead.
23:45
Speaker 3: So he did not you know, I was told not
23:48
Speaker 3: a single rose was killed. The rose bushes are all there,
23:51
Speaker 3: but instead of the grass in the middle, he built
23:54
Speaker 3: a white marble patio that is matching the stone on
23:59
Speaker 3: the White House. So it's very much it's the same color,
24:02
Speaker 3: it's the same theme.
24:04
Speaker 2: It clearly ties in aesthetically.
24:07
Speaker 3: And it's actually beautifully done. Like I was impressed. And like,
24:11
Speaker 3: for example, around the patio there are a series of
24:16
Speaker 3: drains and the way they built it, the drains are
24:18
Speaker 3: an American flag where they have oh, I don't know,
24:21
Speaker 3: probably at eight by eight ten x ten marble square
24:24
Speaker 3: that is the stars, and then they have the same
24:28
Speaker 3: size marble squares that is a series of horizontal slits
24:32
Speaker 3: that are the drains, but they have them alternating so
24:35
Speaker 3: it's clearly American flags surrounding it. All. That's cool and
24:39
Speaker 3: it's really elegant. It's very well done, and it gives
24:44
Speaker 3: a place to go and sit, and it was today
24:47
Speaker 3: was a beautiful fall day, so it was a great
24:49
Speaker 3: day to gather. And then the President is also building
24:53
Speaker 3: a ballroom. You know, it's amazing. The White House does
24:56
Speaker 3: not have a ballroom.
24:58
Speaker 4: Correct.
24:58
Speaker 3: The biggest room in the White House is the East Room.
25:01
Speaker 3: But the East Room is not that big, Like if
25:03
Speaker 3: you're doing a seated dinner there, you can tight maybe
25:07
Speaker 3: eighty people there.
25:08
Speaker 2: I've been in there for dinner.
25:10
Speaker 1: It is I mean it's like it's tight, like there's
25:12
Speaker 1: not a lot of room to mingle, much less dance.
25:15
Speaker 1: And I don't think if you've never been to the
25:17
Speaker 1: White House, I do think this is something that people
25:21
Speaker 1: I think they think it's a lot bigger than it
25:22
Speaker 1: really is. It's really not that big. When you go
25:26
Speaker 1: in the West Wing, for example, it's extremely tight. The
25:28
Speaker 1: offices are tiny for the senior staff, even the chief
25:32
Speaker 1: of staff, the White House Press office. Every office is
25:36
Speaker 1: extremely It's like a closet with a door.
25:38
Speaker 2: That's the best way I can describe it.
25:39
Speaker 1: The East Wing, by the way, and one of my
25:41
Speaker 1: dear friends worked for Laura Bush and in her office,
25:44
Speaker 1: so I was over there a lot and actually go
25:45
Speaker 1: see the dogs, and so that they always had the
25:48
Speaker 1: dogs in the East wings, so like if you want
25:49
Speaker 1: to break just to get away, we would go over
25:51
Speaker 1: there and you'd give a treat, play the dog, throw
25:53
Speaker 1: the ball outside on the White House lawn. But it
25:55
Speaker 1: was also very tiny because it just it was not
25:58
Speaker 1: built for what our government and is today. Even the
26:01
Speaker 1: size of the staff, like the White House, the First
26:03
Speaker 1: Lady's staff was nothing. In the First Lady's role was
26:05
Speaker 1: nothing compared to what it is in twenty twenty five.
26:07
Speaker 1: So when they're like we're gonna expand this out on
26:09
Speaker 1: the east side, it's like that makes sense, Like this
26:11
Speaker 1: should have probably been done thirty years ago.
26:14
Speaker 3: And there's a whole history of presidents going back more
26:17
Speaker 3: than a century of making additions to the White House.
26:20
Speaker 3: Adding the West Wing adding the oval office, adding the
26:23
Speaker 3: second floor, adding an indoor swimming pool, and then Richard
26:26
Speaker 3: Dixon filled the indoor swimming pool. It was actually very
26:30
Speaker 3: Yeah look look.
26:31
Speaker 1: By the way, hold on, go back to the swimming
26:34
Speaker 1: pool story. That's a good one.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so Trump was telling the swimming swimming pool
26:38
Speaker 3: story and he said, you know, when JFK was was president,
26:41
Speaker 3: Jackie would come by and she'd say, wait, am I
26:43
Speaker 3: here because this was an indoor swimming pool. Yeah, And
26:45
Speaker 3: Jackie's like, am I hearing women? And Trump was saying
26:47
Speaker 3: the Secret Service said no, no, no, ma'am, no, no, no,
26:49
Speaker 3: there are no women in there. You have to move on.
26:52
Speaker 3: And you know, it was it was a very funny,
26:54
Speaker 3: like like like riff. And then when Nixon came in
27:00
Speaker 3: and he filled up the swimming pool and turned it
27:02
Speaker 3: into the to the press briefing room. Yeah, and so
27:06
Speaker 3: that's that's where the you know, the White House press
27:08
Speaker 3: briefings are today is they're literally standing on top of
27:10
Speaker 3: what used to be the indoor swimming pool. Those previous
27:14
Speaker 3: many of those previous revisions use tax paramonney. Trump is
27:17
Speaker 3: not using tax paramoney. The building the patio, uh was
27:21
Speaker 3: not done to.
27:22
Speaker 2: The American flag.
27:23
Speaker 1: He just put up the two big American flags he's
27:25
Speaker 1: put up as a great example of that.
27:26
Speaker 3: And the ballroom that they're the project is expected to
27:30
Speaker 3: be over two hundred million dollars. It's going to be
27:32
Speaker 3: a beautiful ballroom. They're they're building it. They're they're talking
27:35
Speaker 3: about it being able to see six seven hundred people.
27:38
Speaker 3: And and by the way, every subsequent president will use
27:41
Speaker 3: that if you're doing a state dinner, if you're doing gathering,
27:44
Speaker 3: the ability to host a larger gathering is is a
27:48
Speaker 3: very useful thing for a president to be able to do,
27:51
Speaker 3: regardless of your party. I mean, it will be a
27:53
Speaker 3: real and material improvement to the White House. And I
27:57
Speaker 3: got to say, just listening to the President talk about it,
27:59
Speaker 3: he's so out. He likes building things.
28:01
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that's roots like this is this
28:05
Speaker 2: is him at a core well.
28:07
Speaker 3: And then so we had a lunch and he was
28:08
Speaker 3: talking about the shutdown. He was talking about everything that's
28:12
Speaker 3: going on. And then afterwards he said, okay, and I
28:14
Speaker 3: want to ask all you guys come on into the
28:16
Speaker 3: Oval office with me and join me in the Oval.
28:17
Speaker 3: So we had you know, there are fifty plus of
28:20
Speaker 3: us there. So we all came into the Oval, which
28:22
Speaker 3: is not that big, and we crowded around and and
28:24
Speaker 3: Trump took us back to what he calls the Monica
28:27
Speaker 3: Lewinsky Room. Yes, it's not complicated to figure out why
28:31
Speaker 3: he calls that the Monica Lewinsky Room.
28:33
Speaker 1: It's now the Great Gift Shop, and that you cannot
28:35
Speaker 1: buy anything in You're only gifted it directly from the President.
28:39
Speaker 3: So so it's the room where where Bill Clinton was
28:43
Speaker 3: alone and shall we say, stained the blue dress with Monica.
28:48
Speaker 3: I have to admit I.
28:50
Speaker 2: Love about you, say, shall we say? I like that?
28:52
Speaker 2: That was nice?
28:53
Speaker 3: I have to admit I was. I was tempted to
28:54
Speaker 3: suggest to President Trump that he actually put up a
28:56
Speaker 3: sign naming it the Monica Lewinsky Room. But but but
29:00
Speaker 3: I haven't yet. I might suggest that to him, because
29:02
Speaker 3: I actually think he there's a good chance he did,
29:04
Speaker 3: by the way he created the Hall of Presidents along
29:07
Speaker 3: the Rose Garden, where he has a photograph or of
29:11
Speaker 3: every president. He starts with Washington, he's either a photograph
29:15
Speaker 3: or painting of every president going up to forty five
29:18
Speaker 3: and forty seven, obviously both him, uh and in between
29:21
Speaker 3: forty six. Instead of a picture of Joe Biden is
29:23
Speaker 3: a picture of the Autopen, which is just hysterical, like
29:27
Speaker 3: it's just it's that's the presidential picture along the Rose
29:29
Speaker 3: Garden is the Autopen because that's uh, that's who who
29:32
Speaker 3: was president for four years. So he invites us all
29:37
Speaker 3: into the Oval and and he's and then he takes
29:39
Speaker 3: everyone into the mind and the Monica leitskey room is
29:41
Speaker 3: not very big. It's ten feet by ten feet. I mean,
29:45
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's a little office right off the oval.
29:49
Speaker 3: So it's down in like a really short hallway and
29:51
Speaker 3: it's to the left and as he's basically put a
29:55
Speaker 3: gift shop there, and he has all sorts of bling.
29:58
Speaker 1: All right, So if you're watching the video, here's one
30:00
Speaker 1: of the blings. That's something that that he gave me
30:04
Speaker 1: when I was there, and and like it's he's got
30:06
Speaker 1: it's all this kind of stuff, and it's like and
30:08
Speaker 1: then he and then I always like this one because
30:10
Speaker 1: he always like he's like Ben, he goes give it,
30:12
Speaker 1: make sure you get your kids taken care of. So
30:14
Speaker 1: the presidential m and ms, he'll have those in they're
30:16
Speaker 1: the best part is the eminem on the back that's
30:18
Speaker 1: what my kids love the most. This just random tokens
30:20
Speaker 1: on my desk here. By the way, the kids, if
30:22
Speaker 1: you you know that, they don't care that much because
30:24
Speaker 1: the eminem's are gone.
30:25
Speaker 2: They're like, we're going to eat those. Yet I'm like,
30:27
Speaker 2: all right, you might want to save the box.
30:29
Speaker 3: So so, and he's got tons of hats. He's got
30:32
Speaker 3: maga hats. He's got Trump twenty twenty eight, which he
30:35
Speaker 3: was laughing.
30:35
Speaker 2: He says.
30:36
Speaker 3: He says, this drives the press crazy. They just lose
30:39
Speaker 3: their mind when when I have Trump twenty twenty eight.
30:44
Speaker 3: He had cuff links and and he had and he
30:46
Speaker 3: told every center take whatever you want, like just rab
30:49
Speaker 3: whatever you want. It's all it's all free. He's paying
30:51
Speaker 3: for it all. And so like I got there's a
30:53
Speaker 3: very cool golf towel that they had that I just
30:56
Speaker 3: got me one.
30:56
Speaker 1: Thank you way to look out for your co host here.
30:59
Speaker 1: I have preciate you getting me a golf towel. Because
31:02
Speaker 1: you don't play golf. That means a lot. That means
31:04
Speaker 1: a whole lot to me.
31:05
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful golf tow nice seal you are. It
31:08
Speaker 3: has Donald Trump's signature, it's it's gorgeous.
31:12
Speaker 1: By the way, I just want the audience to be clear,
31:14
Speaker 1: he did not commit that that golf towel is for me.
31:16
Speaker 2: Keep going, okay, let's be clear.
31:18
Speaker 3: You know the answer to that. But what is funny?
31:23
Speaker 3: And so Trump said, hey, grab whatever you want. He said,
31:25
Speaker 3: I'll sign whatever you want. And he sat there for
31:28
Speaker 3: thirty minutes at the resolute desk just signing stuff. Yeah,
31:33
Speaker 3: and and what was funny. He was laughing. He made
31:35
Speaker 3: this joke, but he's true. He said, it's amazing you
31:39
Speaker 3: have like some stuff in the gift shop and suddenly
31:42
Speaker 3: senators turn into five year old kids. I mean we
31:44
Speaker 3: were literally lined up and being like, oh, that looks cool.
31:47
Speaker 3: I'm gonna greet like people were grabbing.
31:49
Speaker 1: He's got his prov one golf balls he's very proud
31:52
Speaker 1: of with the presidential still on there. He signed with
31:53
Speaker 1: those for one of my boys. And his cuplings, by
31:56
Speaker 1: the way, are truly incredible. You've got a pair, right,
31:59
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, I mean they're nice.
32:02
Speaker 3: And he's got like challenge coins he's made that are
32:05
Speaker 3: about this big. I mean they're probably three inches in diameter.
32:08
Speaker 3: They're really cool. And I have two on of my desk,
32:11
Speaker 3: but I will confess, so he keeps the challenge coins
32:13
Speaker 3: on the resolute desk right there. I will confess I
32:15
Speaker 3: snagged two of those because I'm gonna give one to
32:17
Speaker 3: each of my daughters. I figured that would be kind
32:19
Speaker 3: of a cool, you know, cool cool thing to bring
32:22
Speaker 3: back home.
32:23
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
32:24
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34:52
Speaker 1: and that is give us a real update on where
34:54
Speaker 1: we are with a shutdown. We have the no King's Rally.
34:57
Speaker 1: I think your prediction of mine are going to be
34:59
Speaker 1: spot on. We're going to see some movement probably in
35:03
Speaker 1: the next five, six, seven days.
35:05
Speaker 2: That's my gut. You know more. You were there today,
35:07
Speaker 2: What is it temperature? And where are we.
35:10
Speaker 3: So look, it's hard to say. We keep voting. I
35:12
Speaker 3: think we've voted eleven or twelve times to reopen the government.
35:15
Speaker 3: The Republicans are voting to reopen the government. I've voted
35:18
Speaker 3: over and over and over again to reopen the government.
35:21
Speaker 3: And the Democrats are voting party line to keep the
35:23
Speaker 3: government shut down. We've had to date only three Democrats
35:27
Speaker 3: have voted to reopen the government. Everyone else has voted. Now. Now,
35:30
Speaker 3: the reason that matters is is in order to pass
35:33
Speaker 3: legislation funding the government, you need sixty votes in the
35:36
Speaker 3: Senate under the Senate rules. If you can't get sixty votes,
35:39
Speaker 3: you can't pass it. We only have fifty three Republicans.
35:42
Speaker 3: That means we need at least seven Democrats. If we're
35:45
Speaker 3: getting three Democrats, we don't have the votes. Now at
35:49
Speaker 3: some point that is going to change. What's interesting is
35:52
Speaker 3: it's not just the radical left. It's not just the
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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens who are voting to shut
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Speaker 3: the government down. It's not just Chuck Schumer who's terrified
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Speaker 3: of being primary by AOC. It's everybody else. It's people
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Speaker 3: who are claiming that they're moderates. They're voting to shut
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Speaker 3: the government down. John Ossoff, who is the most vulnerable
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Speaker 3: Democrat in the Senate. He's running in Georgia next year.
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Speaker 3: John Osoff has voted eleven times to keep the government
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Speaker 3: shut down. It's very clear, even though Georgia is a
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Speaker 3: purple state, even though there are a lot of people
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Speaker 3: who are not happy that, by no stretch of the
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Speaker 3: imagination is Georgia a radical left state, and yet it's
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Speaker 3: clear Osoff is more afraid of the radicals at the
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Speaker 3: No King's rallies than he is of just ordinary people
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Speaker 3: living in Georgia. You know Mark Kelly, who says he
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Speaker 3: calls himself a moderate, he keeps voting to keep the
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Speaker 3: government shut down in order for this to change. What
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Speaker 3: you're ultimately going to see is seven eight to nine Democrats,
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Speaker 3: I think, mostly retiring Democrats who are no longer going
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Speaker 3: to face the voters, who are not worried about being primaried.
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Speaker 3: At some point they're gonna say enough is enough, let's
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Speaker 3: reopen the government. But I don't know if it's a
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Speaker 3: day or two. I don't know if it's weak or two.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Look, we're having discussions that the things
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Speaker 3: could be shut down, you know, through Thanksgiving. One of
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Speaker 3: the challenges is we're so tribalized and divided right now
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Speaker 3: that I think the Democrats are listening to an echo
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Speaker 3: chamber of the radical base. Yeah, and their radical base
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Speaker 3: is happy with a shutdown.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so they want to burn it down.
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Speaker 1: They want this country to fall, they want there to
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Speaker 1: be a demise of our government, especially when they're not
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Speaker 1: in charge of it.
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Speaker 2: If they're not in charge of it, they want to
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Speaker 2: burn it down and listen.
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Speaker 3: On Friday, I went to Hobby Airport in Houston and
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Speaker 3: I did a press conference there, and I pointed out
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Speaker 3: that right now, they're fifty thousand TSA agents are going
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Speaker 3: into work who are not getting paid. Right now, they're
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Speaker 3: fourteen thousand air traffic controllers who are going into work,
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Speaker 3: but they're not getting paid. And what we're seeing is
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Speaker 3: more and more delays. We're seeing flight cancelations. Hobby just
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Speaker 3: today had a ground stop because they said a shortage
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Speaker 3: of personnel air traffic controllers. And the Democrats, they don't care.
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Speaker 3: They're perfectly happy. One Democrat told Politico said, we'll keep
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Speaker 3: it shut down quote until planes start falling out of
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Speaker 3: the sky. Like that's how radicalized they are. And they
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Speaker 3: don't care about the government workers. They're mad at Trump
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Speaker 3: for paying the troops. And so look, I think at
38:36
Speaker 3: some point sanity will prevail and they'll allow the lights
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Speaker 3: to be turned on. I'll tell you what I've advised
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Speaker 3: the president. You know, the President referred to Russ Russ Vote,
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Speaker 3: who's the head of OMB, the Office of Management and budget,
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Speaker 3: and he laughingly called Russ Darth Vader. He said, the
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Speaker 3: Democrats are terrified because Russ is using the shutdown to
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Speaker 3: permanently lay off left wing bureaucrats who were advancing programs
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Speaker 3: and priorities that the Democrats care about that are inconsistent
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Speaker 3: with the president's agenda. I think that's one of the
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Speaker 3: keys to ending this shutdown, is continuing to do that
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Speaker 3: and so making it painful to the radical left because
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Speaker 3: they're losing.
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Speaker 2: Their influence.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and so this will end at some point. But
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Speaker 3: honest answer, Ben damned if I know.
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39:42
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