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IRS Whistleblower Ziegler: "I Never Saw 1023 Form on Burisma!" · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Let me start by saying this.
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear now we can all agree
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Speaker 2: that the government institutions, the DOJ, the FBI, that we're
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Speaker 2: supposed to trust have zero credibility after what we have
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Speaker 2: learned from the whistleblowers this past week and the Hunter Biden,
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Speaker 2: James Biden, and Joe Biden, as well as the other
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Speaker 2: nine Biden family members corruption scheme.
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Speaker 1: That's what I can say, number one.
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Speaker 2: Number two, what we also know is that our government
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Speaker 2: institutions lied to us after the Hunter Biden laptop story broke.
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Speaker 2: They lied to us about its authenticity. They lied to
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Speaker 2: us about censorship, They lied to us about meeting with
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Speaker 2: big tech to sense of the story.
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Speaker 1: They lied to us on all of this. It's shocking.
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Speaker 2: It's surreal now you look at the censorship that we've
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Speaker 2: just learned about about the censorship of the Hunter Biden
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Speaker 2: laptop story three weeks before the twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: President show election.
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Speaker 2: It's also very clear now that this story would have
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Speaker 2: changed the election, and there's a very good chance that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump would be President of the United States of
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Speaker 2: America right now if it wasn't for the deep state
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Speaker 2: and our government institutions doing everything they could to cover
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Speaker 2: up the crimes committed by the Biden crime family. There
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Speaker 2: wasn't Russian collusion, but there was Democratic Party collusion, colluding
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Speaker 2: with the media, colluding with big tech. To tell you
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Speaker 2: that a story that they knew that was real.
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Speaker 1: Was a lie.
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Speaker 2: They told you it was a lie, even though the
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Speaker 2: entire time they knew it was real. They knew the
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Speaker 2: laptop was real, They knew the information in the laptop
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Speaker 2: was real. They knew that the government had it, and
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Speaker 2: they knew that the government should have covered it up,
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Speaker 2: that the government was covering it up. They knew that
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Speaker 2: the government was not investigating that source and the crimes
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Speaker 2: of the Biden crime family. They knew the entire time
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Speaker 2: that it was real. And what do they do. They
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Speaker 2: lied to you to alter and change the outcome of
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Speaker 2: an election. Should you have faith in the top levels
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Speaker 2: of the FBI know? Should you have faith in the
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Speaker 2: top levels of the DOJ?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Should you have faith in our institutions of our government
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Speaker 2: right now? The answer is no, You should not, not
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Speaker 2: because we're paranoid any longer. Not because we are you know,
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists. You should not trust the government of the
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Speaker 2: United States of America now in our institutions, because they
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Speaker 2: lie to you about everything. That is the problem. That's
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Speaker 2: number one. Number two, we also know about how coordinated
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Speaker 2: the effort was to cover it all up. I want
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Speaker 2: you to listen to this from Foxdiction Channel with Maria
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Speaker 2: Bartiroma just about how bad the cover up actually was,
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Speaker 2: and the cover up was absolutely terrible. Take a list.
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Speaker 4: I'm sitting here with my father. I will make certain
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Speaker 4: that between the man sitting next to me and every
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Speaker 4: person he knows, and my ability to forever hold a grudge,
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Speaker 4: that you will regret not following my direction. I am
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Speaker 4: sitting here waiting for the call with my father. Sounds
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Speaker 4: like a shakedown, doesn't a director.
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get into commenting on that.
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Speaker 4: Well, you seem deeply uncurious about it, don't you? Almost
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Speaker 4: suspiciously uncurious? Are you protecting the Bidens?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 6: And that was Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gates asking FBI
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Speaker 6: Director Christopher Ray directly if the FBI is covering up
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Speaker 6: for the Biden families alleged influence pedaling and crimes. This
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Speaker 6: is we are learning that the very same day that
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Speaker 6: the New York Post broke the on the existence of
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Speaker 6: the Biden laptop just weeks before the twenty twenty election.
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Speaker 6: A senior FBI official told Twitter that the laptop was
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Speaker 6: in fact authentic, but that information was never divulged to
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Speaker 6: the public. Instead President Biden in fifty one, former intelligence
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Speaker 6: officials claimed emails from the laptop were Russian disinformation, while
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Speaker 6: Twitter banned the article and locked out The New York
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Speaker 6: Post's account right before the election. Joining us right now
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Speaker 6: with more is the reporter who broke the Hunter Biden
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Speaker 6: laptop story, Bright Bart politics editor Emma Joe Mars and
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Speaker 6: also joining us as Kimberly Strassel columnist with The Wall
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Speaker 6: Street Journal. She was also out with a new book,
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Speaker 6: The Biden Malaise, How America bounces back from Joe Biden's
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Speaker 6: dismal repeat of the Jimmy Carter Years. Ladies, it's great
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Speaker 6: to have you both here, to be here, Thank you
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Speaker 6: so much for joining us. And Emma, tell us about
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Speaker 6: that testimony you testified in front of this committee last week,
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Speaker 6: walking through how the intelligence community censored you. That had
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Speaker 6: to be incredibly tough for you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was quite surreal. You know, this has been
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Speaker 3: my life over the last three years, and sometimes I
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Speaker 3: forget about how scandalous it is. It's just scandalous. And
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Speaker 3: then you get in front of a crowd that may
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Speaker 3: be new to the story or maybe new to you,
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Speaker 3: especially after such a spursion has been cast on me
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Speaker 3: and my reporting, and you just tell the story exactly
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Speaker 3: how it is and exactly how you know it to
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Speaker 3: be true, and you do know it to be true,
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Speaker 3: and the feedback from it has just been incredible. It's
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Speaker 3: been incredible. People know what happened. In the American people are
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Speaker 3: very wise and they know what happened. And what I've
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Speaker 3: been hearing from them has just been gratitude for finally
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Speaker 3: saying what everybody has been thinking, which is, we know
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Speaker 3: what happened, and this is what it is.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 6: Gratitude is a good word. Yeah, I mean I hear
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Speaker 6: that from viewers as well.
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Speaker 7: Kim.
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Speaker 6: You wrote just last week the shame of Christopher Ray's FBI.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this is not the first time we've seen this.
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Speaker 6: It keeps happening and there's no accountability for it.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 5: Well, there's the Russia collusion story. There's recently the decision
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Speaker 5: that they made that they were going to once again,
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Speaker 5: despite everything that they had learned about the problems of
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Speaker 5: running investigations out of headquarters, they did it again with
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Speaker 5: the Trump classified document story. There's this aspect of it,
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Speaker 5: which is the censorship and the suppression going back to
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Speaker 5: the last election. And then you know, we also have
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Speaker 5: to talk about the culpability because it isn't just the FBI,
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Speaker 5: it's the kind of collusion between them and other entities
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Speaker 5: in this case, Twitter, Facebook and all the people that
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Speaker 5: served to censor. What was the news at that time, yeah, and.
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Speaker 6: The news before that was Russia collusion, where there was
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Speaker 6: also this network of agencies that were pushing it. FBI
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Speaker 6: with their Phiza warrance, trying to take down Trump officials,
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Speaker 6: the CIA with all of their human sources all around
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Speaker 6: the world. Tell me more about that, Emma, and what
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Speaker 6: you're doing about this.
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Speaker 7: Are you being heard?
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Speaker 6: I mean, Kim is being heard I think a lot
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Speaker 6: with her writing in the Wall Street Journal or do
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Speaker 6: you feel you're being heard?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 4: So, yes, absolutely.
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Speaker 3: You know. There was something that was really striking to
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Speaker 3: me about the reaction to that testimony, which was I
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Speaker 3: think the reason why it went so viral and why
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Speaker 3: people had such a strong reaction. She was. There was
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Speaker 3: a moment where I was reading that political headline of
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Speaker 3: the fifty one former intelligence officials say that this is
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Speaker 3: Russian disinformation, and I kind of burst it out, laughing
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Speaker 3: because it's just so preposterous. It's so ridiculous. It's beyond parody,
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Speaker 3: it's absolutely beyond pardy, and we all know it. And
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Speaker 3: there's this thing that we have to, I guess, pretend
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Speaker 3: to take that claim seriously. But I think that the
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Speaker 3: reason why people so resonated with that is because our
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Speaker 3: institutions have zero credibility, like zero credibility, and yet everybody
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Speaker 3: in Washington and in New York and in the establishment
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Speaker 3: walks around pretending that these are serious people. And I
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Speaker 3: just couldn't do that. And I think that that was
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Speaker 3: what was so powerful about that testimony. And it wasn't
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Speaker 3: necessarily recalling the story, although it's an important story, and
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Speaker 3: I think the people enjoyed that, but really it was saying, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I can't play along with this, I can't play along
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Speaker 3: with this. These people are a joke.
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Speaker 1: These people are a joke.
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Speaker 2: She's right, by the way, Now, the big question is
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Speaker 2: how many times have they lied to you? And what
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Speaker 2: do they cover up and what does that list look like.
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Speaker 2: I've got that list for you. I've got the entire
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Speaker 2: list of the from beginning until now. Now this is five, six,
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Speaker 2: seven years ago that we're going to go over so
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Speaker 2: that you can actually hear it. It is a shocking
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Speaker 2: list of everything that they have lied about.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they've lied about a hell of a lot.
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Speaker 2: the very beginning, Democrats under stood what they were trying
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Speaker 2: to accomplish. The media understood what they were trying to accomplish.
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Speaker 2: It was to cover up something they knew was so
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Speaker 2: damning that it would cost them the election for sure.
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Speaker 1: So they had to cover it up.
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Speaker 2: They had to silence it, and then they had to
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Speaker 2: say you were conspiracy theory, and then they had to
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Speaker 2: try to get you kicked off of social media if
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Speaker 2: you even mentioned it. Remember, your accounts could be shut
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Speaker 2: down if you mentioned the hunter Biden laptop, if you
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Speaker 2: copied any of the Hunter Byden laptop. Any of the
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Speaker 2: texts and put on your social media, they would shut
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Speaker 2: down your account, they would silence you. That's how important
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Speaker 2: it was for them to make sure that you could
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Speaker 2: never get the truth out there because they knew it
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Speaker 2: was true, full information. They just knew they had to
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Speaker 2: figure out how to cover it up at all costs.
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Speaker 2: Now you go back and you look at this, just
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Speaker 2: look at what some of the whistleblowers were saying here.
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Speaker 2: As part of the criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, multiple
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Speaker 2: witnesses who have been interviewed and they have said, including
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Speaker 2: the IRS Supervisory Special Agent Gary Shapley and the former
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Speaker 2: FBI supervisory special Agent that were assigned to interview Hunter Biden.
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Speaker 2: They have said that they learned that the FBI headquarters
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Speaker 2: had notified the Secret Service headquarters about a planned interview
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Speaker 2: they had with Hunter Biden. Additionally, they learned the Biden
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Speaker 2: administration team was then notified about the plan interview with
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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. This was not the original plan, by the way,
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Speaker 2: by the IRS career agents, which furiated, which were infuriated,
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Speaker 2: i should say, and frustrated that their investigation efforts were
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Speaker 2: basically used against them to tip off their subject, who
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Speaker 2: happened to be Hunter Biden, of them coming to talk
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Speaker 2: to them. Then, on December the eighth, they said twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: Shapley and the FBI supervisory Agents were notified they would
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Speaker 2: not be allowed to approach Hunter Biden's house after they'd
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Speaker 2: planned to do it. Why because he was Joe Biden's son,
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Speaker 2: and said they would have to wait near his residence
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Speaker 2: until Hunter Biden contacted them.
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Speaker 1: Guess what happened. They never contacted them.
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Speaker 2: The former FBI Supervisory special Agent told the committee this
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Speaker 2: week that investigators that he had never been that he
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Speaker 2: had never been told to wait outside to be contacted
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Speaker 2: by the subject of an investigation. This was the first
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Speaker 2: time his entire career this had happened. And why did
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Speaker 2: it happened? Because of Biden crime family and the deep
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Speaker 2: state said this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: make sure you can't get to them, you can't talk
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Speaker 2: to them, You're not allowed to go over there, you're
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Speaker 2: not allowed to knock on the door, You're not allowed
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Speaker 2: to do anything. This came from the highest levels of
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Speaker 2: our government. As a result of this, to these actions,
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Speaker 2: Iris whistleblower and FBI agents said that the special Agent
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Speaker 2: and Shapley never interviewed Hunter Biden. They were blocked from
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Speaker 2: doing their job after they tipped them off. Now we
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Speaker 2: know that this is not normal, So why did it happen?
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Speaker 2: Why was it allowed to happen? Because the Biden crime
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Speaker 2: family is totally in charge here. The other thing that's
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Speaker 2: crazy here is Democratic Representative Crockett said, the DOJ quote
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Speaker 2: went after Trump's friends, so they don't go soft on Hunter.
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Speaker 2: That's what they're spending this on MSNBC on Saturday's broadcast
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Speaker 2: of MSNBC's Saturday Show, This Representative Jasmine Crockett, a Democrat
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Speaker 2: from Texas, said that neither of the irs whistleblowers have
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Speaker 2: proved evidence, provided evidence. Excuse me, the President, Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: or the Attorney General Garland interfered in the Hunter Biden
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Speaker 2: probe quote. And if Trump's administration can go after and
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Speaker 2: convict his own friends, I'm sure if they had enough
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Speaker 2: evidence to really bring these felony cases against Hunter Biden,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they would have done it.
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Speaker 1: That's not the case. But again, this is the media lying.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Could the media have stopped her and said, hey, that's
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Speaker 2: not true. Of course they could have, but they didn't.
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Speaker 2: They let her put that propaganda out there. Then you
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Speaker 2: have irs whistleblo or Zigler who said, I never saw
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Speaker 8: Two IRS whistleblowers testify to Congress about the Hunter Biden scandal.
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Speaker 8: Tonight we talk with IRS Special Agent Joseph Ziegler, who
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Speaker 8: until Wednesday had been known only as mister X. But
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Speaker 8: Joseph Siegeler, welcome to Special Report.
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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 8: I want to start by playing something that you said
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Speaker 8: at the hearing as you testified and revealed yourself on Wednesday.
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Speaker 9: I was raised and have always strived to do what
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Speaker 9: is right. Although I do have my supporters, others have
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Speaker 9: said that I am a traitor to the Democratic Party
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Speaker 9: and that I am causing more division in our society.
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Speaker 7: I employ you.
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Speaker 9: To consider that if you were in my position, with
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Speaker 9: the facts as I have stated them, ask yourself if
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Speaker 9: you would be doing the exact same thing.
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Speaker 8: When did you have that moment? Was there an event?
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Speaker 8: Was there a moment or an occurrence where you said,
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Speaker 8: I have to say something about what I'm seeing.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: So the ultimate reason why I came public was there
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Speaker 9: are a lot of things that I saw that were improper,
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Speaker 9: not following proper procedures, and I thought it was my
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Speaker 9: duty to come forward. And I thought when when when
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Speaker 9: we were invited to come and testify in front of
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Speaker 9: the Congressional Committee, I didn't want to leave my supervisor,
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Speaker 9: Gary there alone, and I thought it was important that
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Speaker 9: for my credibility that people hear it straight from me.
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Speaker 8: What was the calculation like for you because your loved ones,
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Speaker 8: your family people are drawn into this. I mean you
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Speaker 8: were risking professional retaliation, you know, great career risk for you.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, So it took I had to have that conversation
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Speaker 9: with my husband. I had to have it with with
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Speaker 9: friends of mine. Back this past December, our personal information
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Speaker 9: got got leaked on Twitter, information related to my husband.
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Speaker 7: It was pretty awful to go through.
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Speaker 9: That at that time, and having navigated that, we knew
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Speaker 9: kind of what we were up against. And at the
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Speaker 9: end of the day, like the reason I'm come or
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Speaker 9: I came forward and the reason why we're getting this
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Speaker 9: information out there is that we have to treat taxpayers
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Speaker 9: the same. It's that it's all about following the evidence
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Speaker 9: and making sure that justice is served.
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Speaker 8: And I know that you have testified, as has mister Shapley,
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Speaker 8: about a number of times you felt like that wasn't happening.
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Speaker 8: First of all, tell us who was Leslie Wolf? What
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Speaker 8: role did she have in overseeing what you could pursue,
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Speaker 8: what you couldn't pursue, And where did you feel like
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Speaker 8: maybe you guys were not on the same page.
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Speaker 9: So Leslie Wolf was one of the four assigned, so
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Speaker 9: she was an assistant US attorney for the District of Delaware.
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Speaker 9: She was one of the one of the attorneys assigned
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Speaker 9: to the investigation. And the second part of your question
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Speaker 9: one was the first time that we weren't really our
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Speaker 9: first really big disagreement would have been related to the
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Speaker 9: storage unit. The search weren't related to the storage unit
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Speaker 9: when she told when I found out that she told
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Speaker 9: defense counsel that we knew about the storage unit, and
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Speaker 9: that the record's request included that I just.
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Speaker 7: Knew that we weren't.
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Speaker 9: It just it was kind of like a shot to
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Speaker 9: the gut, and that we weren't.
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Speaker 7: We weren't.
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Speaker 9: We didn't have a seat at the table, And that
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Speaker 9: really really was a defining moment for me, that said
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Speaker 9: that things aren't going or aren't following the proper procedure
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Speaker 9: that we would normally follow.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and which you're referring to there as a storage
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Speaker 8: unit by Hunter Biden. You guys wanted a warrant to
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Speaker 8: go look at that. You wanted to be able to
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Speaker 8: pursue that WhatsApp message in which Hunter Biden allegedly is saying,
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Speaker 8: I've got my dad sitting here. You've made a commitment
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Speaker 8: to us pressuring a Chinese businessman allegedly to pay them
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Speaker 8: some money. You wanted to be able to question Hunter
19:41
Speaker 8: Biden's adult children and other people you thought might be
19:44
Speaker 8: relevant to the case. But you've testified, as has mister
19:46
Speaker 8: Shapley that you were told, no, there were certain things
19:49
Speaker 8: you could not pursue.
19:51
Speaker 9: Yeah, when you work in an investigation, you want to
19:53
Speaker 9: or you have to follow the evidence. It's a matter
19:57
Speaker 9: of if there's evidence laid out before you, and there's
20:01
Speaker 9: potential tax crimes that exist, you should be able to
20:05
Speaker 9: follow the evidence. We should be able to interview witnesses,
20:09
Speaker 9: we should be able to do all the proper procedures.
20:12
Speaker 9: I understand that this was a politically sensitive case, but
20:16
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, it was a matter
20:18
Speaker 9: of no, you can't do that.
20:21
Speaker 7: Let's think about it.
20:23
Speaker 2: No, you can't do that, Let's think about it. This
20:25
Speaker 2: is the whistle blower're telling you this. I want you
20:29
Speaker 2: to hear Joseph Siegor, the irs whistleblower, more of his
20:32
Speaker 2: interview that he did after testifying before Congress on Fox
20:37
Speaker 2: News Channel special Report. I want you to hear Shannon
20:41
Speaker 2: Beam asking him about everything that he had to go through,
20:44
Speaker 2: all the hoops that he had to jump through.
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Speaker 1: Listen carefully.
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Speaker 9: Understand that this was a politically sensitive case, but at
20:50
Speaker 9: the end of the day, it was a matter of no,
20:54
Speaker 9: you can't do that, Let's think about it. And at
20:58
Speaker 9: the end of the day, we weren't following all the
21:00
Speaker 9: evidence that we should have.
21:01
Speaker 8: So prosecutors, obviously and attorneys assigned to this case are
21:04
Speaker 8: going to make decisions about what they think is relevant evidence,
21:07
Speaker 8: whether it's worthwhile. You know, several of the Democrats on
21:10
Speaker 8: the committee said, these are just the kind of dust
21:12
Speaker 8: ups that investigators and prosecutors have. You're not always going
21:15
Speaker 8: to be on the same page.
21:16
Speaker 5: That accurate.
21:17
Speaker 7: So when it always.
21:19
Speaker 9: Works out in the favor of the target in this case,
21:21
Speaker 9: Hunter Biden, it just compiles on top of each other
21:25
Speaker 9: time after time. And to that note, I just want
21:29
Speaker 9: to say that in August the twenty twenty two, all
21:33
Speaker 9: four assigned prosecutors agreed to recommend prosecution of felony and
21:38
Speaker 9: misdemeanor charges. And I know one of the things that's
21:41
Speaker 9: being brought up, and I've seen this being brought up,
21:43
Speaker 9: is that a lot of times cases like these, they'll
21:47
Speaker 9: refer to civil. It'll go and civil will deal with this.
21:50
Speaker 9: Let me be clear on that criminal investigations. When you
21:54
Speaker 9: work a criminal case, there's a thing called wilfulness. Whether
21:57
Speaker 9: someone intentionally with nollege either evaded their income taxes or
22:03
Speaker 9: filed a false return, and that's one thing that sets
22:07
Speaker 9: us apart from a civil case, and in this case,
22:09
Speaker 9: we provided a ton of evidence that showed willfulness.
22:13
Speaker 8: You've talked about that August phone call or a meeting
22:16
Speaker 8: where everyone on the team or a lot of people
22:19
Speaker 8: on the team, prosecutors and investigators alike, you thought you
22:21
Speaker 8: were on the same page about some of these charging
22:23
Speaker 8: things that were going to move forward. At what point
22:25
Speaker 8: did you realize you weren't actively on this investigation anymore,
22:29
Speaker 8: or there was a plead deal coming together or something
22:31
Speaker 8: that didn't line up with what you thought had been
22:34
Speaker 8: agreed to.
22:35
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I guess that would go back to the
22:38
Speaker 9: phone conversations that I had in December of twenty twenty
22:41
Speaker 9: two when the DCUs Attorney's office, the President Biden appointed
22:46
Speaker 9: DCUs attorney said no to the twenty fourteen and twenty
22:50
Speaker 9: fifteen tax chair charges. So when you hear that come out,
22:55
Speaker 9: it was frustrating. We reinvestigated those tax hears, we fail
23:00
Speaker 9: jured it out.
23:02
Speaker 7: It was it was kind of comical in the team.
23:05
Speaker 9: So with the FBI investigators we were working with and
23:09
Speaker 9: us within the i R S, we were trying to
23:11
Speaker 9: figure out how do we get an independent attorney with
23:15
Speaker 9: authority assigned to this investigation, and it was like no
23:18
Speaker 9: one knew what to do to bring that issue up.
23:21
Speaker 9: And that's frustrating at the end of the day. And
23:26
Speaker 9: like we said in our testimony, that was probably one
23:28
Speaker 9: of the first times where we knew there was some
23:31
Speaker 9: some sort of influence that was coming into the investigation.
23:38
Speaker 8: The Attorney General and US Attorney David Weiss have both
23:41
Speaker 8: said he's always had the authority he needed to charge
23:44
Speaker 8: whatever he thought was necessary wherever he thought he needed
23:46
Speaker 8: to pursue it. What was your understanding of the authority
23:49
Speaker 8: that mister Weiss communicated to your team that he did
23:52
Speaker 8: or did not have.
23:54
Speaker 9: So I guess I would go back to his most
23:56
Speaker 9: recent letter. So he stated in that letter that is
24:00
Speaker 9: authority is restricted to the district that he is in.
24:05
Speaker 9: So his district is the district of Delaware, and if
24:07
Speaker 9: he needs to go outside that district, he needs to
24:10
Speaker 9: ask those President Biden appointed US attorneys to partner with him,
24:15
Speaker 9: and if they say no, then he can go back
24:18
Speaker 9: and ask for this special attorney authority and he was
24:21
Speaker 9: assured he would be given this. All I saw in
24:24
Speaker 9: that letter was a verbal assurance. Where's the actual memo
24:28
Speaker 9: or notice that says, here is your special attorney authority.
24:32
Speaker 9: You should have no issues bringing charges where you see them.
24:35
Speaker 8: So you were told Your understanding is he did try
24:38
Speaker 8: to bring charges in places like DC and was told
24:40
Speaker 8: no by the US attorney that would be in charge
24:42
Speaker 8: of that district.
24:44
Speaker 9: So all I know is in the District of DC,
24:47
Speaker 9: the US attorneys. So the way that I recall, and
24:50
Speaker 9: this is from conversations that I would have had with
24:52
Speaker 9: the assigned attorneys, is it went to the line attorneys
24:55
Speaker 9: that were that were in the DC US Attorney's office,
24:58
Speaker 9: so that would have been the career employee. They got it.
25:01
Speaker 9: They said, here's how we're going to help you out.
25:03
Speaker 9: Here's what we're going to do to bring this case
25:06
Speaker 9: here in the district of DC. Then I get a
25:08
Speaker 9: phone call a couple days later that says, hey, they're
25:12
Speaker 9: not going.
25:12
Speaker 7: To bring it. They don't want to partner with us,
25:14
Speaker 7: they're not going to help us.
25:16
Speaker 9: And they also say that no, you shouldn't bring this
25:18
Speaker 9: case in our district.
25:21
Speaker 8: Let me ask you too. This new document that's been released,
25:23
Speaker 8: not new, it's newly released. This FT ten twenty three
25:26
Speaker 8: that Cinema Grassley has put out that has various allegations
25:29
Speaker 8: involving the Bidens and they're unverified. This is one source
25:32
Speaker 8: who said it involving payments to a Barisma official, payments
25:37
Speaker 8: from that official to them from Ukraine. Did that document
25:41
Speaker 8: ever become part of your investigation? Did that come across
25:44
Speaker 8: your desk?
25:45
Speaker 3: So?
25:45
Speaker 9: I provided an additional document to the House Ways and
25:48
Speaker 9: Means Committee, which they released that testimony that I had
25:54
Speaker 9: in there said that I had never seen that document before.
25:58
Speaker 9: So I had never seen that ten. And the reason
26:00
Speaker 9: why that ten twenty three might have been important is
26:03
Speaker 9: that can further validate some other evidence that we are
26:07
Speaker 9: trying to prove in the case. And that's why all
26:10
Speaker 9: information is necessary for especially the lead IRS case agent
26:14
Speaker 9: to have.
26:15
Speaker 8: So from this point, a couple of questions in the
26:19
Speaker 8: wake of your testimony. Are you surprised there wasn't more
26:23
Speaker 8: in depth media coverage of what you testified to on Wednesday?
26:27
Speaker 8: And what's been the reaction for folks now that you've
26:30
Speaker 8: gone public, as you said at the hearing, in contrast
26:34
Speaker 8: to what a lot of people that you align with
26:36
Speaker 8: politically don't want you to be doing.
26:38
Speaker 7: At the end of the day.
26:39
Speaker 9: I think it's my duty, my sworn duty as a
26:43
Speaker 9: federal law enforcement officer, that I come forward and I
26:47
Speaker 9: tell the truth.
26:49
Speaker 7: I come forward. I've presented evidence.
26:51
Speaker 9: There is a process that we're given in becoming a whistleblower.
26:55
Speaker 9: I think that's the most important thing. And look at
26:59
Speaker 9: everything we presented to Congress, to the House Ways and
27:02
Speaker 9: Means Committee. None of it's been refuted. None of what
27:06
Speaker 9: we have presented has been refuted so far that I've seen.
27:10
Speaker 8: Okay, one quick last question. You referenced the David Weiss letter.
27:14
Speaker 8: I believe that was July tenth of this year. He
27:16
Speaker 8: said in that that he couldn't speak to the ten
27:18
Speaker 8: twenty three form because there was an ongoing investigation. Do
27:21
Speaker 8: you know if there's still an investigation going on involving
27:24
Speaker 8: Hunter Biden.
27:25
Speaker 9: So I was removed from that team May fifteenth, twenty
27:29
Speaker 9: twenty three. I have no idea what's going on as
27:33
Speaker 9: far as that investigation goes. I have stated multiple times
27:37
Speaker 9: that I don't want to see other agents FBI, i
27:41
Speaker 9: RS go through the same thing we went through. If
27:43
Speaker 9: there is other charges that are venued outside the district
27:48
Speaker 9: of Delaware, David Weiss is going to run into the
27:51
Speaker 9: same problem again and again.
27:52
Speaker 7: And that's why we need to have.
27:55
Speaker 9: An independent attorney assigned who has authority, who can go
27:59
Speaker 9: in there bring the proper charges so that there can
28:02
Speaker 9: be some faith restored in our justice system.
28:05
Speaker 2: This whistleblower. It's incredible what Joseph Ziegler has had to
28:09
Speaker 2: say here. And if you go back to his testimony
28:12
Speaker 2: and you look at all of this that has happened here,
28:15
Speaker 2: you understand it now very clearly. You have an entire
28:19
Speaker 2: government that decided to go against everything that could possibly
28:25
Speaker 2: happen to hold these people accountable for their crimes.
28:32
Speaker 1: They just said, we're not going to do it.
28:35
Speaker 2: They made it clear that their job was to cover
28:37
Speaker 2: it up and to protect the Biden crime family at
28:40
Speaker 2: all costs, no matter what. They decided that the Biden
28:44
Speaker 2: crime family was too big to fail and that they
28:48
Speaker 2: were going to protect them so they could keep their jobs.
28:52
Speaker 2: Many of these people just wanted to make sure that
28:55
Speaker 2: their careers were not stopped and they needed the hardcore
28:59
Speaker 2: Democrats that's the socialists of communists to be in charge
29:02
Speaker 2: so they could keep their corruption alive. That's what this
29:06
Speaker 2: really boils down to. It's that level of corruption. Now,
29:12
Speaker 2: there's also one other part in here that I think
29:14
Speaker 2: is important that we bring up, and it's the fact
29:18
Speaker 2: that these whistleblowers now have As I said earlier, and
29:21
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it again because it's important to
29:23
Speaker 2: understand this, they've risked it all. They've risked it all
29:31
Speaker 2: to make sure that they can tell their story about
29:35
Speaker 2: just how bad and just how corrupt everything is. They've
29:39
Speaker 2: risked their livelihoods, they've risked their futures, they've risked being ostracized.
29:44
Speaker 2: I mean, think about how bad they must believe this
29:49
Speaker 2: entire situation is for them to risk everything that they've
29:53
Speaker 2: just risked. Think about how brutal, how horrible all this
29:59
Speaker 2: must be be.
30:01
Speaker 1: For them.
30:02
Speaker 2: If this is the outcome that they believe that they
30:04
Speaker 2: that they need right, that this is their only thing
30:09
Speaker 2: they have left that they need to do. This is
30:12
Speaker 2: the only thing that they can do right, This is
30:15
Speaker 2: the only thing that they're able to do. Now, when
30:21
Speaker 2: you talk about it from that perspective, and you realize
30:27
Speaker 2: now that this is the Biden crime family to nutshell.
30:32
Speaker 2: None of what they could do selling out the United
30:34
Speaker 2: States of America could happen without others helping them do it.
30:39
Speaker 2: It's not just their family now, it's the Secretary of State,
30:43
Speaker 2: it's the FBI director, it's the irs, it's.
30:47
Speaker 1: Members of Congress.
30:49
Speaker 2: Without them, they couldn't do this, They couldn't pull it off.
30:54
Speaker 1: Folks.
30:54
Speaker 2: Without them, they would be I would argue in jail
30:58
Speaker 2: right now. They would be in is in right now.
31:01
Speaker 2: But there are too many people that are involved here
31:04
Speaker 2: that said, hey, we've got careers too. We have big
31:07
Speaker 2: careers that we have to protect. And that means we
31:10
Speaker 2: have to protect the Biden crime family because if we
31:12
Speaker 2: don't protect them, we.
31:14
Speaker 1: Know what happens to us.
31:16
Speaker 2: Right If we don't protect them, we know what's next,